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Huddle Up | Travis Hunter's Role in Year 2, Jaguars Draft Strategy · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network
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  Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shaderick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle
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  Speaker 1: Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, J. B. Shadwick,
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  Speaker 2: John Oser from the Middle Electric Center at the Hundai Studios.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks Shocker is in an automobile in traffic in
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Bucky, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: It's good man. But here here's the thing. I am
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  Speaker 4: almost at work, so I almost made it where I
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  Speaker 4: could sit down and do it. But just time is
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  Speaker 4: just a little.
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  Speaker 5: Now you're at work whenever you're on with us. But
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  Speaker 5: that's right where he's going today.
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  Speaker 3: Your name is on the show. Buck.
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  Speaker 6: He's going to mail taxes, is what he's doing. It's taxi,
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  Speaker 6: that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, we already, we already did it.
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  Speaker 6: Bucky didn't pay taxes, not an Indy that he didn't
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  Speaker 6: pay state taxes in Indiana. Can't guarantee you that after
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  Speaker 6: the combine he gets that one free.
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  Speaker 7: I need to work that out. I need to get
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  Speaker 7: that no tax thing.
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  Speaker 6: He's a text free entity in Indiana.
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  Speaker 5: I am not right.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we get a lot coming up.
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  Speaker 2: We're a little over a week to the draft, so
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  Speaker 2: business is picking up. That's already been busy around the
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  Speaker 2: Miller Electric Center, of course, but saw some scouts in
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  Speaker 2: the building this week that from or in from out
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  Speaker 2: of town.
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  Speaker 3: So meetings before the draft.
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  Speaker 2: And here we go, I mean, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: the off season program starts on the Here we come
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  Speaker 2: with the strength and conditioning staff only allowed on the field,
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  Speaker 2: in the weight room with the players. They can only
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  Speaker 2: work four hour days, ninety minutes on the field. No
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  Speaker 2: coaches allowed at all except the strength and conditioning staff.
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  Speaker 5: And the volunteer jp is.
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  Speaker 2: It's voluntary, Bucky. And here we are, like things are
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  Speaker 2: happening now.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I love this part of it. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I love this part of the off season.
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  Speaker 7: Everyone is coming back.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the first day of school. Probably around the building,
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  Speaker 4: everyone getting back to it. The strength condition coach is.
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  Speaker 7: Taking the guys out.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: We had a competition last year. I'm sure they brought
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  Speaker 4: that back down Jaguars. So this this should be a
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  Speaker 4: lot of fun because now you get to see some
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  Speaker 4: of the new faces, right, some of the people that have.
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  Speaker 8: Come in, you get some of the guys that were signed,
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  Speaker 8: the futures that are working with the team.
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  Speaker 4: It's uh, I mean, we're back, We're bout, We're about
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  Speaker 4: to having ball a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: JP.
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  Speaker 6: If you or I when a competition, I'm assuming they
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't call the winner the iron Jaguar.
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  Speaker 5: Trying to think what they would call.
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  Speaker 6: It, the pint king sad, Yeah, pint jaguar.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, it's fair. So all right, let's come it up.
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  Speaker 3: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and John, I know that, especially when phase
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  Speaker 2: three gets here, the OTAs you are dialed in, single.
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  Speaker 6: Pause, I think it really I think, more than anything,
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  Speaker 6: Bucket's the results on the field during that period that
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  Speaker 6: I care about.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, from a serious standpoint, I am excited
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  Speaker 4: to see what Trevor yes and the offense looks like
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  Speaker 4: year two under the important last year was all about learning,
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  Speaker 4: learning the system, understanding. So you're kind of playing while
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  Speaker 4: thinking now that you know exactly what you should do,
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  Speaker 4: now you can begin to work on individual aspects.
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  Speaker 7: Of your game that you want to improve upon.
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  Speaker 4: And they're different parts of the offense that you want
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  Speaker 4: to get to. You want to be able to get
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  Speaker 4: to some of the tags and the variations of the
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  Speaker 4: base plays so.
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  Speaker 7: You can make it hard.
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  Speaker 4: For the defense but easy for us. And the way
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  Speaker 4: that you experiment and do. Those trial and air periods
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  Speaker 4: are right now as we're getting on the field and
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  Speaker 4: beginning to get closer to OTA's and mini camps in
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  Speaker 4: those days.
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  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, sounds like Travis Hunter is going to be limited
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  Speaker 6: during that and I don't expect him to really be
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  Speaker 6: working his way into it. But beyond that, Bucky, I
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  Speaker 6: would you know, I would assume you want to see
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  Speaker 6: an offense, particularly offensively, because that's what your eyes are
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  Speaker 6: going to get drawn to.
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  Speaker 5: That just feels like it knows it better.
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  Speaker 6: I mean this time last year, even through training camp,
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  Speaker 6: there was a theme of I'm gonna call it clunkiness,
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  Speaker 6: but you were never sure day to day what you
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  Speaker 6: were going to get.
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  Speaker 5: So is do you have to see that?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, is it to the point where there's certain
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  Speaker 6: parts of practices where you where you don't want to
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  Speaker 6: see the ball hit the ground? Or is there still
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  Speaker 6: learning that Liam Cohen can throw at him where it's
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  Speaker 6: hard and there has to be a learning curve in
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  Speaker 6: the second year.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, this is gonna be a bit of a learning
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  Speaker 4: curve because what we saw is probably like we talked
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  Speaker 4: about being in school, like we saw one on one level,
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  Speaker 4: when now we should begin to see graduate level stuff
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  Speaker 4: two oh ones and three on ones, meaning different iterations
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  Speaker 4: of the offenses based stuff, shifts and motions, maybe even
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  Speaker 4: a more expansive catalog of formations to kind of get
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  Speaker 4: the team going and being able to create and exploit
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  Speaker 4: some of the mismatches that you want to see.
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  Speaker 8: But really it's.
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  Speaker 7: About how fast the offense operates.
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  Speaker 4: Under Trevor Lawrence. He understands it. He knows that he
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  Speaker 4: can maybe have a greater command over what he wants
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  Speaker 4: to see from his white house.
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  Speaker 8: I think he will continue to see the evolution. But
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  Speaker 8: now this is big. I want to say this though,
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  Speaker 8: because you brought up Travis.
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  Speaker 7: Hunter's name, and I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: The national media and a lot of people are winging
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  Speaker 4: in on I told you so, I told you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: play both ways.
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  Speaker 8: I told you this, and that he got hurt in
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  Speaker 8: those things.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's really important for people to know
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  Speaker 4: he hadn't even got to the part of really being
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  Speaker 4: a two way player. When he was injured, it was unfortunate.
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  Speaker 4: He was just about to get an elevated role.
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  Speaker 7: On offense, but it didn't play out.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say this could be the best thing
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  Speaker 4: to happen for him starting out doing a lot of
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  Speaker 4: stuff when it comes to like being a cornerback. Not
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  Speaker 4: maybe full time, but what if we say full time
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  Speaker 4: defense and packaged on offense. Even though everybuddy that I
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  Speaker 4: think when we look at his skills and the weight
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  Speaker 4: that it was playing out, I think this would give
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  Speaker 4: him an opportunity to make the biggest impact with I
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  Speaker 4: would say maybe the a minimal risk in terms of
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  Speaker 4: being overused or fatigued because he's doing two way things.
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  Speaker 2: What did he say after the NFL Network report the
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  Speaker 2: other day? He reposted a clip and said, who told
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  Speaker 2: you this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm not again. I get questions like this
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  Speaker 6: every day JP because you're forced to redo zone.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't know that we know how this is
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  Speaker 6: going to look yet, and I don't know that if
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  Speaker 6: Travis Hunter, I think he's going to be ninety five
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  Speaker 6: percent the snaps on defense or whatever whatever a starter
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  Speaker 6: looks like on defense in this you know, roll heavy NFL.
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  Speaker 6: If he's not playing ninety percent of the snaps on offense,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that that means they've given up on
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  Speaker 6: him making an impact. I think this could go week
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  Speaker 6: to week. And I keep using the analogy. If he
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  Speaker 6: has five touchdowns on offense and three of them are
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  Speaker 6: huge momentum swingers, is.
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  Speaker 5: The plan not working.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is an impact moment player as much
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  Speaker 6: as it is a twelve hundred yard receiving player. And
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  Speaker 6: I think that, to me is the role that Travis
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  Speaker 6: Hunter can play. And he may play a lot more
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  Speaker 6: than that on offense. But I don't you know, everybody
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  Speaker 6: wants to everybody wants to write this off as a bust.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm skeptical.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I think everybody's you know, anxious to see
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  Speaker 6: what happens. I'm not sure it can work with ninety
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  Speaker 6: percent of snaps on both sides. But if it's seven
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  Speaker 6: touchdowns and if he does what Person Harvey did in
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  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl return a kick in a big moment,
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  Speaker 6: if Travis Hunter scores in the AFC Championship game on offense,
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  Speaker 6: he can play no snaps, right, and it's a success.
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  Speaker 6: I just think he's a moment player on offense, and
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that means that the whole thing didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: But you know how people are. I mean, people want people.
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  Speaker 3: People stink j people, a lot of people do. But
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  Speaker 3: people want statistics.
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  Speaker 2: People are living in fantasy football at all lot of times,
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  Speaker 2: and they're used to having things on paper they can
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  Speaker 2: look at and say, this guy was a great pick
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  Speaker 2: because he had this many yards.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't work that way all the time.
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  Speaker 7: No, it doesn't work that way.
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  Speaker 8: And I'll say this because there's been a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Commentary because people say, well, you trade up to get
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  Speaker 4: him at the number two pick. He has to play
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  Speaker 4: both ways, otherwise it was a wasteed pick. No, it's
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  Speaker 4: only a waste to pick if he doesn't play at
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  Speaker 4: a high level on either side of the ball. The
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  Speaker 4: thing about Travis Hunter is is we saw in short
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  Speaker 4: glimpses that he is the playmaker that many of us
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  Speaker 4: expected on our offense and defense. It's about him being
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  Speaker 4: really comfortable and settled in to whatever role or roles
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  Speaker 4: that they give him. I expect them to play well
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  Speaker 4: when he gets them to the field. And I will
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  Speaker 4: say this, I'm really curious to see what the defense
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  Speaker 4: looks like if he's.
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  Speaker 8: A full time corner.
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  Speaker 4: Because all of the growth that we're seeing from Jerry
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  Speaker 4: and Jones, what we saw from Buster Brown, the role
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  Speaker 4: that Jordan Lewis played like. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 4: intriguing athletes on that side of the ball. How do
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  Speaker 4: you get them playing time? What do we do with
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  Speaker 4: the packages to make sure we're maximizing the talent. I'm
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  Speaker 4: really curious to see how Anthony Kepanelli does that with
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  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter slaved to be CB one.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, how much better? Yeah, I'm not trying to hang
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  Speaker 6: anybody for the boat for the Bills game last year,
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  Speaker 6: but a cornerback gave a big, big, playing, big moment.
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  Speaker 3: The top two corners were on the field.
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  Speaker 6: And how much better is this defense which was ascending
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  Speaker 6: last year and really good against the run? If he's
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  Speaker 6: a lockdown corner, which you know, look, if he only
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  Speaker 6: plays quarter corner and he's not an elite Pro Bowl corner,
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  Speaker 6: then yeah, I mean a trading up. I think he
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  Speaker 6: has to be that, but I think I think they
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  Speaker 6: think he's that. And if he had been that late
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  Speaker 6: last season, this is a significantly better defense, especially when
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  Speaker 6: you talk about Jarian coming on.
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  Speaker 5: Monteric.
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  Speaker 6: That whole secondary could be much much better if he's
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  Speaker 6: number two overall pick level corner, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 6: obviously that level, Bucky, you pretty much have to be
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  Speaker 6: all Pro to be worth the pick.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's sort of what it is at that position.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what it is any position. When we're talking about.
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  Speaker 7: Top five player, top five draft.
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  Speaker 8: Pick, we're talking about a guy that you can envision.
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  Speaker 7: Being a perennial All Pro player, someone.
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  Speaker 8: That you could squint close azing thing that he is
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  Speaker 8: eventually going to be a Hall of Fame caliber player.
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  Speaker 4: And that's lofty expectations, but that's what you're supposed to
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  Speaker 4: do when you're an overall pick. Yeah, that's what you
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  Speaker 4: expect when you're the second overall pick. So my thing
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  Speaker 4: from Travis is he has to make an impact. He
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  Speaker 4: has to deliver a series of splash plays in.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever role that is at corner.
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious because we play so much zone that should
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  Speaker 4: play out in a bunch of interceptions and it's getting
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  Speaker 4: his hands on the ball. I don't really see him
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  Speaker 4: as like the shutdown corner type, Like, hey, you go
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  Speaker 4: take that guy and blot him out.
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  Speaker 8: I see him more as.
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  Speaker 3: A guy that man.
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  Speaker 4: You want to free him up, let him play in space,
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  Speaker 4: let him see the ball come out of the quarterback's hands,
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  Speaker 4: and then trust him to go make the play. If
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  Speaker 4: we do that, he makes a ton of plays, even
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  Speaker 4: if he just turns. Creates five turnovers on defense, which
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  Speaker 4: I think is a reasonable number. Man, That's more than
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  Speaker 4: enough for a defense that really has a turnover obsession
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  Speaker 4: when you listen to the coaching staff and the players
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to game game.
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  Speaker 2: John Oser and Jacksonville Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles. Mock
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  Speaker 2: draft season is uh coming to an end next week
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  Speaker 2: because the draft obviously is next week.
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  Speaker 3: Mel Kiper put out a two round monck today. John.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it.
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  Speaker 5: The draft guy.
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  Speaker 3: They're the draft guy, right Buck.
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  Speaker 5: Draft Well, I mean, yeah, he's the guru, but you
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  Speaker 5: get it on the guru.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, he's a different kind of guru.
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  Speaker 6: Bucky calls Mel the other Guynett.
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  Speaker 8: Not in the same class.
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  Speaker 4: I think was fascinating is how he took a passion
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  Speaker 4: and kind of created a cottage industry that everyone benefits from.
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  Speaker 8: I think the interest that we having the draft is
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  Speaker 8: mind blowing in terms.
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  Speaker 4: Of the amount of people that are not only interested
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  Speaker 4: in it, but the amount of people that know enough
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  Speaker 4: to have credible opinions on players and where they're going,
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  Speaker 4: where they're slotted, and those things. And even though I
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  Speaker 4: would say the evaluation business is more than mock drafts
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  Speaker 4: and connecting the dots, I do think it creates fascinating discussions,
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  Speaker 4: and I do believe it quietly because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pressure on general managers.
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  Speaker 7: To get it right, because the fans know a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: Than people want to give them credit for, and so
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  Speaker 4: you have to make sure that when you speak to
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  Speaker 4: the massive that you.
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  Speaker 8: Know what you're talking about, because they will call you
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  Speaker 8: when you say some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So melkiper Junior in the two round mock Jaguar is
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  Speaker 2: at fifty six right goes with Michigan outside linebacker Jayshan Barram.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think of.
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  Speaker 4: Them interesting if they become bomb I am surprised because
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  Speaker 4: of the people that I would think.
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  Speaker 7: I would think Derrick Moore.
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  Speaker 8: The pass rusher on the other side, would be the one.
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  Speaker 8: But Mbornment, I think obviously what he's trying to do
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  Speaker 8: is trying.
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  Speaker 4: To connect the dots and figure out how are the
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  Speaker 4: Jaguars going to replace the boy created by Devin Lloyd's departure.
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  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd made a bunch of plays, a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: splash plays. He was terrific on the ball in terms
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  Speaker 4: of coverage and doing those things, blissed a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: have some spectacular moments. I think, en Burn, what you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to do is get someone who has I wan't
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  Speaker 4: say comparable skill, but someone that can play alongside for
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  Speaker 4: a Lua Khan and be a solid three down player
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  Speaker 4: that can make some of the plays that we saw
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  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd made last season.
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  Speaker 6: But Ada, if you a two round mack is when
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  Speaker 6: somebody actually makes a pick past that thirty two and
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  Speaker 6: see I haven't noticed because I do a mock draft
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  Speaker 6: tracker and I always jp my first goal is to
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  Speaker 6: include Bucky and.
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  Speaker 5: Even though his team, yeah hit his other team.
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  Speaker 6: The Jaguars have a second round pick, there has been
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  Speaker 6: no two round mark from Buckybrook today.
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  Speaker 8: The way do we do it is we pudge around it.
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  Speaker 4: We take all the teams that don't have a first
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  Speaker 4: run pick, and then we assigned them a player.
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  Speaker 7: We're like, oh, what player would be good for.
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  Speaker 8: The Jaguars to take at.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't seen that in the official NFL dot Com
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  Speaker 6: or ESPN.
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  Speaker 8: No no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not in the spanning point.
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  Speaker 8: I'm a national football game.
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  Speaker 4: I am one of four that stayed behind while the
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  Speaker 4: entire building with the ESPN, I stayed firm and my
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  Speaker 4: loyalty was rewarded by staying with the National Football League
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  Speaker 4: ool on NFL dot Com, Uh, we didn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's probably more of a TV thing where
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about it. But I'm talking about running back
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  Speaker 4: schooling there, whether it's Mike Washington or Emma Johnson in
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  Speaker 4: the second round, being really intriguing possibilities to kind of
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  Speaker 4: round up what they have in the backfield. We've talked
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  Speaker 4: about linebackers being a possibility. Everyone loves Jacob Rodriguez, so
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  Speaker 4: he is a splash play machine. He would be interesting.
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  Speaker 7: There's a few others Jake Golday.
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  Speaker 8: Just Trotter from Missouri. So they're a handful of players
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  Speaker 8: that would fit the bill. With the second overall pick,
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  Speaker 8: I mean the second round pick. It doesn't matter what
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: happens before the Jaguars pick, so we know who's available.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: Let me answer this, Bucky and Uh. I listened to
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: the Move the Sticks podcast and a big fan of it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: Uh and Uh, especially Jeremiah. That guy's good.
• 16:27
  Speaker 8: But the Uh.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: You guys talk a lot on there, and I know
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: you like this concept of figuring out if you have
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: an early first round pick, sort of judging the board
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: and figuring out, you know, do you take a position
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: here and wait because you feel like in the second
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: round there's a lot of talent where you need it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: If you follow me, I'm not saying that great, but
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: think you.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Is there a strategy? Is it deep enough this year?
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Is the third round fertile enough for the Jaguars to
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: play that game in the second round?
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: If you follow me, yeah, No, I mean I think
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: it's a game that you played throughout the draft. If
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: you talk to Tony and James Pusson, even Liam when
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: they talked about the draft board. People have talked about
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: the vertical board, the one where you rank prospects from
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: one to one fifty. But the horizontal board is where
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: you have all the positions side by side, but you
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: have players.
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: Ranked in little clusters. And what you're doing.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Is when you're looking at the board as you're getting
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: close to the second round, you're trying to see, like, man,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: we have a lot of similarly graded guys at running back. Okay,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: we don't have as many guys that carry those grades
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: at linebacker, but in the third round it's heavily populated
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: with linebackers. Let's go get the running backs that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: Are graded higher and valued more.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Let's go get them in the second round, and then
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: in the third round. The value matches where we're picking,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: and so we understand who we're taking at that point
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: and it works out a lot of.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: Times when.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Fans here about the front offices going through mock drafts
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: and scenarios, a lot of times what they're doing is
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: they're assessing the board. They're going through supply and demand.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: They're trying to figure out, Okay, what's heavy, what's light.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: If it's a position of need that is light, we
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: might need to go up early and get that player
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: because if we wait another round.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: They may not be there. And so it drives some
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: of the decisions. Well, ultimately, the grades.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: Are the grades, and you have to.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Figure out how to make sure that you pick the
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: players that really value out at what selection you're picking?
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Is there a fall in love card?
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: And what I'm getting at is if there's a cluster,
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: but you know the GM loves a guy, is that
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: guy graded higher? Or could he be part of a
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: cluster where you sort of have like a little red
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: heart next to him, or do you designate guy and
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: me know, ifa Sasus with the red heart, But do
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: you designate guys out of a cluster that you really
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: like out of that cluster and if he's there, we're
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: going to go get him? Or am I overthinking that?
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: Now? You're not overthinking?
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think I think we all have guys
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: that we fall in love with.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes some teams will refer to him as
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: pet cats.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: This is my pet cat. I love him, He's my
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: guy heart.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so like the cat, But what normally happens is
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: in that cluster, the guys in that cluster in.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: The order in which it would take them off.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: So if we love a guy Joe Smith from North Carolina,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: we'll put Joe Smith from North Carolina at the top
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of that cluster so that we all know that, Hey,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: if it comes to it, this.
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: Pic is available. He's the top guy the board. We're
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: taking him. That's how it typically would go. If you
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: really like him, you can.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Make sure that he is at the top of the
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: cluster of the available players that you could put pet cat.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think I would have thought about that. Yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I need to take my clerton.
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: I guess you know.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: I'm not a cat guy. But yeah, people refer to
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: it it like the pet.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: Cat, like that's that's yours. The love is forever, so
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: you can have it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: I think there's something you and DJ talked about too.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: Was I call him DJ now because weight? But it
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: uh that there are guys that you just love and
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: how do you weigh against Okay, I love this guy
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: in round two, but if you're a GM, the rest
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: of the room is telling me, Hey, this guy, you know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: we can get value here in the next round. You know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: do GMS does the great GM just have to say, hey,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with my guy, or do they
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: listen to the room or does it vary or is
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: that just part of the draft drama.
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: It's part of the draft drama. I think you do. Ultimately,
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: when you're the decision maker, you have to have conviction.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: You listen to obviously all of the information that you're
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: given from the scouts and those things, and hopefully you
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: scrimmage these conversations out well ahead of the draft and
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: so everyone has a plan. We all know who it is,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: and once we make a decision, he becomes our guy,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: not the GMS GAM.
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: He's our guy.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: But it does come through a lot of conversations, a
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: lot of compare and contrast, a lot of analyzing the
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: numbers and whatever analytics.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: That you can be given on top of.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: The film to make those decisions. But ultimately you would
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: like it to be a little democratic in terms of
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: everybody feeling.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: Good about the pick. But if you're the gentle manager
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: and you swing the sword, if you feel that compelled.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Particularly if you have some agreement from the coaching staff
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: in those names, you go for it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think one thing Bucky sort of touched on.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Bucky's been in draft rooms. I never have set in
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: a draft from during the drafts of any work in
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: other capacities.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: And they don't want me there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: So there are many reasons, but the bigger and is
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: they don't give me a code. But my understanding is
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: there is very little Like if you were to watch
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: a TV series on this, they would probably have an
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: argument the moment before the pick because that's high drama.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: But ideally there's very little of that on draft day, right, Bucky,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: it's all done. If there is any fist pounding, it's
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: probably done on a Thursday in March rather than on
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Thursday night in April.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Look, it's about execution that emotion. So what you want
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: to be able to do is you want to be
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: able to think clearly. You want to go through all
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: of the scenarios. And it's so great now technology makes
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: it where for instance, PFF has the Mock Draft simulator,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: so man, you can just.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Play games like you're on a video game.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: A Well, if you're in this situation, these guys are
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: off the board who we take, and that's the exercise
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: that you're running through the last couple of weeks leading
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: it to the draft. So now you have clarity, this happens.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I'm doing this like, it is very clear. It's slow motion.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: You know exactly what you're doing. There's no panic. Your
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: preparation has allowed you to make solid decisions under pressure.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: So yeah, like as.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Others have told you, this should be a very quiet,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: workman like room and we're just going about operating as
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: business as usual on draft night.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I just had a vision when John was talking leading
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: into that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Of John O's.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: You're walking into the Colts draft room and pulling up
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a chair and seeing Bill Pollion's face and what.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Us chair out for me?
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I can see, I can see. I can see
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: mister Pollyon just loving it and being like John, Hey,
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: make sure you look over there. There's some snacks and
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: trees for you over to your left. Over to your
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: left as.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: The manual with all the prospects and all the information
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: that you need, and here's the cheat sheet. This is
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: the order of all the teams. He would make sure
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: that you're very comfortable, and he would probably have them
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: willing a nice chair for you to sit, and don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: want your back to get tight. I want to make
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: sure that you're you're almost at home, and the lady
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: boy just relaxed and comfortable and ready to go for.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Don't forget the dinner spread.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: I mean what Bill loved primarily was when I sort of,
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: you know, brought my sense of humor into the room.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure he loved that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he loved some very poignant questions about well.
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: Why do you take this guy over that guy?
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: And all of those other things that sometimes come out
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: when you when you have a chance to have a
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: look at Q and A with a decision.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Right. What the area of scouts loved was when after
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: the draft they'd walked by my office and I knew
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: some of them fairly well, and I like they were
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: doing undrafted free agency. Yeah, and I would cover my
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: eyes and make like dartboard throwing emotions. They took it
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: so seriously, and I said, guys, it started aboard if
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you liked the guy he was gone
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: in the six round.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: No, it's it's important, Okay, it is.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: And typically, like, since since we're talking about that, most
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: of your undrafted free agents and those things that are
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: signed right after the draft, there are guys that the
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Jaguars had ranked as fifth, sixth, seventh rounders, and for
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: whatever reason we didn't get a chance to take them.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: We used to pick on someone else, but they were
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: valued enough that they make it a priority to go
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and get those guys.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: I can't tell you the number of times I've had
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: a scout come talk to him on Monday.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I love this guy.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: That loved guy was packing his car on August thirtieth.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: In full contexts, and people hated when we said, but honestly, man,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: you worry about getting day one and day two right
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: if you can nail it first, second and third round.
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: If you look at the rosters, most of your rosters
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: are comprised of those guys.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Your first round is should be your starters and your
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: high level playmakers. Your second round this should be your
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: starters and your key contributors in terms of if they're
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: playing roles. And then your third guys if you hit,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: are like a developmental guy, a key role player that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: backing up, and anybody that's drafted on the third on
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the third day. I hate to tell this to it
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: because some of the players get mad. Honestly, they viewed
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: as developmental players, backups, and special team standouts. When someone
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: is drafted late and they emerge, for instance, like a
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Buster Brown, that is a tremendous job on him developing
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: at a rapid rate that exceeded everybody's expected. Nobody expects
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: the seventh round pick or the sixth round pick to
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: be a long term start. That is a little bit
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of luck and a lot of hard work by that
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: player to make that happen.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Let Tony Kahan know that you're not a big fan
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of the undrafted free agent process.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: That's his baby, isn't that?
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fine. I mean, look, I mean I always flawed.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: When it works, it's fantastic.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: You've let some guys out of the James Robinson was
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: one of those running back right Trey Herndon.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean you can get you can get some
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: guys that normally those those free agents, those undraft to
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: free agents that make it are guys that carry the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: draft of the grade and do the circumstance, be it injury, character, flaw, production,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: something kept them from being drafted on draft day. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: then you know, if you have a team that is
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a legitimate team that operates with a meritocracy, the Jaguars
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: currently are that they give them every opportunity to make
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the team.
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: There's some teams where if.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: You're an undrafted free agent man, you're a body just
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: for Kemp and everyone knows that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: John talked about.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: August thirty first, because all the draft picks that go
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: make it, and the undrafted guys, your best hope is that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: You make practice squad.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville is a little different because they do want to
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: provide all the young guys with a legitimate path to
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: make the team and the play.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: How could I forget Tyler Shatley, Ky Shaft.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, come off well and look in perspective here,
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: you spend a lot of money going after these lower
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: round guys and a lot of resources. But it makes
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: sense because if if you get one guy who's a
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: four your contributor out of that which has happened you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: I'm I was teasing those guys at the process obviously,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: but it's it's uh, if you get one or two
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: guys outside of that. As you know, when your roster building,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: if you get a guy late that it's a bonus
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: and it can tremendously help the franchise. So it's it's Uh.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: It's necessary. But I'm a funny guy for the jet?
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Are you so I present? I present as funny?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, Bucky were eight days out? So what do you
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: got coming up the rest of the week? Early next
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: week ahead of the NFL Draft?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: A lot of writing writing A ton just finished my
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: final version of the top five with all the position players.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: I got mock draft next week on NFL dot com.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: Got another mock draft next week on Fox sports dot com.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Two rounds right, two rounds this time? Nah?
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: Noa we don't do rounds. Were one round only guy
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: not Travis Hunner. One run only? Uh?
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And then we do some things like some scuttering reports
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: on a couple of different players. But now, as they say,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: the heads in the barn, now we get to sit
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: back and enjoy the weekend. Unfortunately, I don't have the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: spread that you guys will be exposed to.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: But that's okay.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I'll try and find a way to do some snots
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and those things.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: My favorite Bucky ism, beyond all of the great sayings,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: is nobody talks about trusting the tape more than Bucky. Right,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: And somehow, somehow guys rise and fall on his top
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: five every an amazing.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: No. So here here's the hidden game that I couldn't find.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: That that's the hard part for me. And because we
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: are in the edutainment business, sure.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: As it relates to this, it is hard. And they're like, hey, man,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: we need your final thing. I was like, dude, it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: not gonna change. I mean, maybe I could flip a
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: name or two whatever, but once I've done the tape,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not really changing those things. And if you ask
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: most teams, the only reason things change on the board
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: injury or character right the last month is about getting
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: all the medical stuff in and getting all the background
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: and character stuff done. Those are the things that typically
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: would change a positioning on the board.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: But when the tape is done.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: And should the tape should be done before the combine
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: pencils down test is over.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: Roll with what you think.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: I was always the guy who was writing in a
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: little bit after that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: By the rule, by the rule being uncil down, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: then your standardized test.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: If you didn't circle everything in like you're supposed to,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: that is us the air.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: That's just the way it goes.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: We will look forward to seeing all your final mocks
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: coming up in the next week. Buck and then we
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: will do this again next week. Appreciate it as always, Beck, thanks.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: You all right man, we're talking about Bucky.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Brooks, John Ozer, JP, Shadwick Are Thanks to Brent Reebert,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Joe Fortunato.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks to you for listening to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.