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EPSTEIN PERP GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 'I. AM. NOT. SUICIDAL;' WILL SHE LIVE TO TESTIFY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein purp.
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  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell says, I period am period, not period suicidal?
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  Speaker 2: Will she live to testify? I'm Nancy Grece, this is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Release the files.
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  Speaker 3: Teens of thousands of documents related to Epstein are refusing.
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  Speaker 2: To release thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of files.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too
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  Speaker 4: much like a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Was it suicide or was it murder? You promised? Now deliver?
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  Speaker 2: As Julaine Maxwell meets with federal agents, is she one
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  Speaker 2: step closer to testifying? Testifying to what is in the
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  Speaker 2: so called Epstein files? For over a year we were
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  Speaker 2: told that those files would be released everything in them.
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  Speaker 2: But now Stone Walling, Now, what message does that send
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  Speaker 2: to sex attack victims? What message does that send about
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  Speaker 2: our justice system? Well, this is what Pam Bondi, the
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  Speaker 2: US Attorney General, had to say.
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  Speaker 5: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot
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  Speaker 5: of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information,
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  Speaker 5: but pretty sick what that man did.
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  Speaker 1: A source had told me where.
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  Speaker 5: The documents were being kept, Southern District of New York.
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  Speaker 1: Shock. So we got.
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  Speaker 5: Them all by, hopefully all of them Friday at eight am,
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  Speaker 5: thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI going
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  Speaker 5: through them. Director Patel is going to get us a
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  Speaker 5: detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of
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  Speaker 5: those documents.
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  Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox News and now government
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  Speaker 2: officials walking out, walking out, making statements like they've never
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  Speaker 2: seen anything as disgusting as what is in the files
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  Speaker 2: and are sick of the stone walling.
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  Speaker 1: And Bondie goes on to say.
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  Speaker 6: This, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey
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  Speaker 6: Epstein's clients.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that really happen.
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  Speaker 5: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
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  Speaker 5: been a directive by President Trump. Really is it still
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  Speaker 5: sitting on your desk?
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  Speaker 2: Just in the past days, Bondi dumps out of a
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  Speaker 2: public appearance claiming some type of an ocular tear on
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  Speaker 2: her eye.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, what a co inky dink.
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  Speaker 2: That also from our friends at Fox and there's more.
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  Speaker 4: In a statement informing the public there will be no
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  Speaker 4: further releases associated with the Epstein case, FBI comments that
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  Speaker 4: very little of the documents would have been made public
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  Speaker 4: had Epstein gone to trial. The FBI for the claims,
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  Speaker 4: their review of all documents determined there was no evidence
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  Speaker 4: warranting investigation or proscution of any third parties mentioned in
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  Speaker 4: the documents, and they doubled down that a rumored client
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  Speaker 4: list never existed. The bureau also claims they found no
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  Speaker 4: credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed any prominent individuals.
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  Speaker 2: The FBI Deputy Director Bongino vows to reveal the truth
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  Speaker 2: in a cryptic social media post, this as he storms
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  Speaker 2: out of the over the mishandling of the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 1: Finally coming back. Apparently there's war over the.
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files, and if there's nothing in them, why not
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  Speaker 2: release them after we've been told over and over and
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  Speaker 2: over that what's in those files is shocking. Now an
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  Speaker 2: abrupt about face joining me in All Star panel to
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  Speaker 2: makes sense of what we know right now, But straight
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  Speaker 2: out to Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV, Lauren,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: What's the latest. I'm going to get to Julane.
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  Speaker 2: Maxwell in just a moment, But it's all about the files.
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  Speaker 2: The whole reason I'm even saying her name because she
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  Speaker 2: is a child molester. The whole reason I'm even saying
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  Speaker 2: her name is because she might help in some way
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  Speaker 2: get these files released. Why did FBI Deputy Director Bongino
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  Speaker 2: storm out of his office?
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  Speaker 7: Well, Mancy, I think what's going on here is that
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  Speaker 7: they are being so secretive about this that we don't
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  Speaker 7: actually know the truth of what.
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  Speaker 8: Is going on internally.
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  Speaker 7: What we know is that the DOJ and the FBI
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  Speaker 7: they seem to be arguing internally and kicking the can
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  Speaker 7: down the road. And I think at this point the
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  Speaker 7: American people have so much distrust towards this administration because
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  Speaker 7: a lot of their campaign hinged on this, Oh, we're
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  Speaker 7: going to get rid of the deep state. We're going
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  Speaker 7: to show you all of the files. We're going to
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  Speaker 7: be so transparent. You know, we as the American people,
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  Speaker 7: we didn't necessarily ask for these files as we're.
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  Speaker 8: Doing right now the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 2: We're going back up, back it up. That's not entirely true.
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  Speaker 2: From the very beginning, I've been screaming from the rooftops
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  Speaker 2: to release the files. And that question I asked you
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  Speaker 2: about the FBI Deputy Directo Dan Bongino declared in the
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  Speaker 2: last seventy two hours that he had made quote recent
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  Speaker 2: discoveries about government corruption and weaponization that shocked him.
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  Speaker 1: His words, not mine to the core.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've been talking about the Epstein files for a
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  Speaker 2: really long time. As a matter of fact, Sidney Stary
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  Speaker 2: joining me, investigative reporter with crime stories. Sidney, this goes
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  Speaker 2: all the way back to Epstein's sweetheart deal that he
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  Speaker 2: got in Palm Beach. Remember that, Remember that Jelaane Maxwell
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  Speaker 2: reeling in little girls like a fly fish Truman, and
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  Speaker 2: they come to his place there she is come to
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  Speaker 2: his place to get molested, right, and he gets essentially
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  Speaker 2: house arrest. He has a limo pick him up every
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  Speaker 2: day at the jail to drive him to his place
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  Speaker 2: or wherever he wants to go.
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  Speaker 1: That was his punishment.
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  Speaker 2: It all started then, screams about corruption, sweetheart deals, secrecy
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  Speaker 2: goes all the way back to that Sydney summer and
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  Speaker 2: then Epstein dies behind bars. And I Furior was intense
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  Speaker 2: at that time to release the files.
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  Speaker 1: So called client list.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that there is a quote client list,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, somebody has an address book, like you
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  Speaker 2: think Epstein had a little red leather address book. With
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  Speaker 2: everybody's names in it. No, it's not like that you
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  Speaker 2: have to pour through all the documents. Who came to
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  Speaker 2: his place, who flew on his plane, who went on
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  Speaker 2: the Lolita Express, who went to his private island where
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  Speaker 2: girls who are molested. That's what I made by a
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  Speaker 2: client list. This goes way back Sydney summer, well the
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  Speaker 2: way to two.
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  Speaker 9: Thousand and five. That's the first time anyone started investigating
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  Speaker 9: Jeffrey Epstein, and he made that sweetheart deal that was
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  Speaker 9: a slap on the risk at best, all the way
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  Speaker 9: in two thousand and seven. And that's still relevant today
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  Speaker 9: because Gayne Maxwell is appealing her conviction, planning that a
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  Speaker 9: part of that two thousand and seven deal, Epstein secured
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  Speaker 9: a non prosecution agreement for himself and all of his
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  Speaker 9: future found co conspirators. So she believes that that deal
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  Speaker 9: applied not only to Epstein in twenty nineteen, but to
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  Speaker 9: her as well. And they're arguing that no one even
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  Speaker 9: looked at Maxwell until Epstein was dead. So this is
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  Speaker 9: still very very relevant today, and Epstein's victims never saw
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  Speaker 9: him receive any kind of actual punishment for his behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Her name has been bandied about from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 2: She was prosecuted and convicted and is behind bars. She
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  Speaker 2: has never revealed what she knows is now the time
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  Speaker 2: that's going to occur. And the only reason we're even
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  Speaker 2: bringing her up Eric Fattus, because her name is like
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  Speaker 2: dirt in my mouth. Eric Fattas that are on trial, lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattest, Elite Legal Fattus. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not taking sides here. Nobody's on trial yet. What I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying is we were promised the release of these files.
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  Speaker 2: When Epstein died, be it homicide or suicide, the case
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  Speaker 2: was effectively over and those files should have been released
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  Speaker 2: then because there was no longer an ongoing prosecution. Julane
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  Speaker 2: Maxwell is behind bars, her appeal has been turned down.
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  Speaker 2: Long story short, it's over. There's no reason to keep
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  Speaker 2: the secret. And when you have the Deputy director of
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  Speaker 2: the FBI stop out of his office over the release
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  Speaker 2: of these.
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  Speaker 1: Files, something is very wrong. Fattest, very wrong.
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  Speaker 10: Clearly, there is some internal quarreling going on among the administration,
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  Speaker 10: among cabinet officials, even regarding the release of these files.
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  Speaker 10: You know, look, they talked to Big Game, they garnered
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  Speaker 10: political support on the promise of transparency, and lo and behold.
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  Speaker 10: You know they've admitted there's thousands and thousands of pages,
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  Speaker 10: and really there's no legal impediment that I'm aware of
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  Speaker 10: that is preventing the disclosure of these things. They can
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  Speaker 10: be appropriately redacted to protect victim privacy and that kind
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  Speaker 10: of thing. But the public wants to see this, and
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  Speaker 10: they've been promised that, why don't we have them? That
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  Speaker 10: question doesn't have an answer right now.
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  Speaker 1: Now, speaking of the president, listen to this.
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  Speaker 11: You ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? Have
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  Speaker 11: you socialized with him?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, sir?
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  Speaker 11: Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump? In the presence
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  Speaker 11: of females under the age of eighteen?
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  Speaker 12: Though I'd like to answer that question at least today,
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  Speaker 12: I'm going to have to assert by.
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  Speaker 2: Fifth asker my friends ED Media's touch network. Now there
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  Speaker 2: you hear Epstein answering a question, have you ever had
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  Speaker 2: a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever socialized with him? Yes? Yes, sir? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that means nothing to me.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody with a lot of money or political clout seemingly
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  Speaker 2: socialized with Epstein. Bill Gates met with him about funding
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  Speaker 2: some charity. I don't know how many times Prince Andrew Weirdo,
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  Speaker 2: he was friends with him, and they've beenhotographed together, Clinton, Obama,
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  Speaker 2: it goes on and on. So Trump's right in there.
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  Speaker 2: That means nothing about Trump yet. Now the second question,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever socialized with Trump in the presence of
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  Speaker 2: females under the age of eighteen? He asserts his fifth
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  Speaker 2: six fourteenth Amendment rights to remain silent. Now does that
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  Speaker 2: mean Trump did anything wrong? No, he is as starting
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  Speaker 2: his fifth Amendment right to remain silent, indicating that he
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  Speaker 2: socialized with underage girls. So I'm still not getting Trump wrongdoing,
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  Speaker 2: not seeing it. And look, I'm not a Republican, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a Democrat. Don't care, but I don't see Trump
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  Speaker 2: implicated in wrongdoing here. However, the whole aspect of not
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  Speaker 2: releasing the files, Robert Crispin is joining me now a
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  Speaker 2: a Now I'm private investigator with Crispin Special Investigation, but
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  Speaker 2: formerly with the Department of Justice. Okay, something stinks. I
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  Speaker 2: want justice. That is not a cliche. That's real. Now,
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  Speaker 2: so far, Trump, in my opinion, has not been implicated
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  Speaker 2: in any wrongdoing. But keeping these files secret, fighting with
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  Speaker 2: your deputy Director of the FBI over their release. If
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing in them, why not release them?
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  Speaker 12: Crispin, Well, this is what's really important about the government
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  Speaker 12: meeting with Maxwell talking about the list. I think she's
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  Speaker 12: been in jail long enough, and I think she has
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  Speaker 12: reached out to her lawyers and said, you know what,
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  Speaker 12: I don't like it in here. It's time I want
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  Speaker 12: to talk. And I think they're holding back these lists
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  Speaker 12: until they finished their interview with her so they can start.
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  Speaker 2: Crispin, are you saying that she has marinated behind bars
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  Speaker 2: long enough to come to the realization she doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: to stay there?
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely, Anyone.
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  Speaker 12: Listen, when people get arrested, especially in these types of
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  Speaker 12: magnitude of cases, they don't talk. Nobody talks. But when
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  Speaker 12: you're in jail and you're stripped of your dignity here
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  Speaker 12: after year after year, and you potentially hold your own
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  Speaker 12: ticket to get out, what do you.
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  Speaker 1: Mean stripped of your dignity?
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  Speaker 2: She is having yoga classes, she's in a baby max.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they have yoga classes, they have vegan.
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  Speaker 1: Meals, She goes for long walks. You can see her
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  Speaker 1: walking the grounds. Nobody's bothering her. What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: you're still living under someone else's dignity.
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  Speaker 12: And she still she still wants to get out. She
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  Speaker 12: knows at this point the only way out is to
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  Speaker 12: start talking to the US government about that entire list.
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  Speaker 12: What really happened. Listen, the government wanted to talk to
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  Speaker 12: her back in the day when everyone got arrested, nobody talked.
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  Speaker 12: She's realizing, this is my only ticket out of here.
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  Speaker 12: And I have a feeling that this is why that
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  Speaker 12: list is not getting released because I think the govern
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  Speaker 12: now I was going to go talk to her, and
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  Speaker 12: I believe that it's her lawyers that came forward and said, listen,
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  Speaker 12: she wants to talk.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, you heard what Crispin said. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to get right back to his point. But Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 2: I think I've got an idea about why she wants
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  Speaker 2: to get from behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to live joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University, author of
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  Speaker 2: Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's the star of a
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  Speaker 2: hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you.
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  Speaker 2: And I both say that you know, if I were
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  Speaker 2: a better I take Vegas odds Epstein was murdered. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm phoning out Vegas odds, but you have reasons to
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  Speaker 2: think he's he was murdered. And he's what, Sidney, what
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  Speaker 2: is he number four or five connected to this case
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  Speaker 2: that has committed suicide or had an OD Let's see,
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  Speaker 2: there is Epstein, of course, Virginia Geffrey, who spoke out
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  Speaker 2: and got a multimillion dollar settlement after being connect with
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  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell. You got Jean Luke Brunnelle, the French equivalent,
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  Speaker 2: who supplied girls as young as twelve to Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Then you have two of them molestation victims. Do I
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  Speaker 1: have that right? Sidney? Five people dead by suicide already?
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  Speaker 1: Is it five?
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  Speaker 9: As far as I know?
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  Speaker 13: Nancy?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's correct.
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  Speaker 2: You know if there are thousands and thousands of victims
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, as the files indicate that there are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back for decades, and you get
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  Speaker 2: a new little girl every week. It adds up, right,
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  Speaker 2: who else may have committed suicide or died that could
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  Speaker 2: have testified? Yes, she wants out, I guess. So why
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  Speaker 2: do you think Epstein was murdered?
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  Speaker 9: Well?
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  Speaker 13: Because well, first off, the Emmy in New York made
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  Speaker 13: a critical error of using the term soft hanging, which
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  Speaker 13: means that you kind of slide into a noose where
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  Speaker 13: you're supported. It doesn't have to be a total suspension
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  Speaker 13: hangingdence that doctor Boden in particularly Scott.
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  Speaker 2: You know how I feel about you, right? I love you,
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  Speaker 2: I love your wife, I love your son.
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  Speaker 1: Can you please speak English? Okay, we're not all death investigators.
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  Speaker 2: When you say a soft hanging, are you talking about
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  Speaker 2: like Robin Williams, where you attach something to the back
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  Speaker 2: of your bed or your doorknob and you lean forward
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  Speaker 2: to it as opposed to a violent drop down from
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  Speaker 2: a rafter and don't break your neck in the hanging.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 13: Most people associate hanging with Batman, with old judicial hangings
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  Speaker 13: where there's a lot of violence. That's not what they're saying. However,
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  Speaker 13: the evidence bears that there was something else going on.
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  Speaker 13: He's got two and I say, two thyroid fractures. And
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  Speaker 13: this is a cartilaginous body. It's cartilage like in your
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  Speaker 13: nose right here. So he's got two cartilage fractures right here.
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  Speaker 13: And then if you go up on the left side.
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  Speaker 13: The high ioid is very high in the neck, that's
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  Speaker 13: why it generally is not fractured in a hanging. And
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  Speaker 13: the left greater horn, it's kind of bird shape the
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  Speaker 13: great the left greater horn is snapped off at the tip.
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  Speaker 13: He's also got some other curious insults to his body,
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  Speaker 13: his deltoid or right here where the neck kind of
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  Speaker 13: dumps into the shoulder. He's got a deep tissue bruise
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  Speaker 13: right here, which is not going to be associated with
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  Speaker 13: the hanging. Nancy. He's also got these kind of faint
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  Speaker 13: bruises that they documented on both the wrist and the ankles.
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  Speaker 13: There's a lot of violence that has been associated with
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  Speaker 13: his death, or evidence of it at least some kind
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  Speaker 13: of trauma.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess Jeline Maxwell does want out from behind
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  Speaker 2: bars before she ends up committing suicide herself. And it's
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  Speaker 2: on her mind because she issued a statement that says,
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  Speaker 2: I period am period, not period suicidal period. Now here's
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  Speaker 2: what go ahead, please, I hear you taking a deep breath.
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  Speaker 13: Go no, I mean I can understand that because there,
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  Speaker 13: you know, let's face it, when you're when you're in
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  Speaker 13: that system, you are a ward of the state. You know,
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  Speaker 13: and she knows in her mind that her counterpart in
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  Speaker 13: all of these horrific crimes is now pushing up daisies.
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  Speaker 13: She doesn't want it, and she's in custodian and she's
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  Speaker 13: in custodial care of the same the same organization. She
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  Speaker 13: doesn't want to wind up the same way, and maybe
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  Speaker 13: that's prompting her. I have no idea, but I do
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  Speaker 13: know this.
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  Speaker 2: There's the human Epstein file. She knows more than the
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  Speaker 2: files can tell us. Now, all of this is happening
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  Speaker 2: on the headline of every.
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  Speaker 1: Online news site.
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  Speaker 2: Look at it, The New York Post, the Dailymail, Drudge,
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  Speaker 2: Wash Poe, you name it, Wall Street Journal, blah blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah. It's all about the Epstein files and why
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  Speaker 2: won't Trump allow.
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  Speaker 1: Them to be released?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Now, with all of that going down, with the
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  Speaker 2: place burning down around him.
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  Speaker 1: Rome is burning. Hello, Nero, listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: How many hundreds of hours do you think the White
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  Speaker 2: House and people within the White House, not just Trump
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  Speaker 2: have been talking about the Epstein files and the possibility
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  Speaker 2: Trump's name is in them.
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  Speaker 1: Listen you let all they give me? How fight?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, She's she's given us just a very quick
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  Speaker 3: briefing and in terms of the credibility of the different
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  Speaker 3: things that they've seen. And I would say that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: these files were made up by Komi, they were made
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: up by Obama. They were made up by dividing it
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: for you know, uh we and we went through years
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: of that with the Russia Russia Russia hoax, with all
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: of the different things that we had to go through.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: very well and it's going to be up to her.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Whatever she thinks it's credible. She should release.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You crime stories with Nancy Graves.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, do I have everything? Bass ackwurs
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: because I don't think I do. Lauren Colin joining me,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Investigative reporter. The Epstein files were made up by Comy
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: or wait that says they were made up by.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Komy and Obama and Biden.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: The Epstein files have existed long before any of.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Those players came on to the scene.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: They go all the way back to his Palm Beach
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: child molestation days.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Nobody made them up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And with all of the banners at the top of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: all of the news outlets about the Epstein files, you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Bondie's camped out in the White House in the Oval office.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: But when asked, did Bondie tell you your name appears
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: in the filing?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: No, Well, even I know his name appears in the filing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Explain exactly.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is not a great look for Trump. I'm
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: not really sure why he's trying to gaslight us like this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: But look, just because your name is or is on
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: the files or on one of the flight logs, that
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean that you visited the island. I mean multiple
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: people have come out, like Robert Kennedy Junior. He said,
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: I've flown on on epste's jet with my wife, my
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: former wife, with.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: My That's a very good example.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: Well listen, okay, fine, let me tell you this. So
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: let's get a real game.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go with Gates. Okay, okay, okay, Fie fan, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: don't see him being part of a cholmless station ring.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, listen, I'm not going to say that about
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: anybody at this point because we really don't know anything here.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: But what I will say is that Trump is trying
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: too hard. I just interviewed Rudy You, who is a
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Trump ally, told me this crazy story about how Trump
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: actually picked Epstein out of mar A Lago. I think
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: it was around twenty ten because he actually got complaints
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: from his messuses that allegedly Jeffrey Epstein was asking them
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: for sexual favors at the end of his massage, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Trump said, you know what, I want nothing to do
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: with this sicko, and he kicked him out.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: And I'll also say this, Nancy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You know, here's another thing. Here's another saying hold on.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I want to throw that to doctor Cheryl Eric joining
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: us a clinical forensic psychologists specializing in cases just like this,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: doctor Cheryl. Look, from what I've been told, Trump doesn't drink,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: he doesn't smoke, he doesn't do drugs. I find it
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: really hard to believe he would take part in child molestation.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know what, we don't know that. But
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the fact that his name was in the files doesn't
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: mean he did anything wrong. I mean, think of Bill
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Gas trying to money for a charity with Epstein. That
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean he did anything wrong. But the hiding it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, remember Watergate. Okay, there was a break in,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: but the cover up overshadowed everything else. And what it
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: boils down to, doctor Cheryl is the truth is other defendants,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: other child molesters that need to be prosecuted. That's what
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: this is about. It is not about Trump, it is
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: not about politics. It's about Lady Justice.
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: It's about the victims. It's about the victims of trafficking.
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: As you may know, I serve on a board of
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: directors of an organization called Mary's Path and it helps
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: pregnant teens who are victims of trafficking. And I will
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: tell you that these kids are some of the most traumatized,
• 23:53
  Speaker 14: most vulnerable crime victims of any crime victims, and they
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: really really need our protection. And we're trying to find
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: out what's going on. We're trying to think about them
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: and protect them. And the concern with Jeline Maxwell, she's
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: in prison for sex trafficking, for hurting so many of
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: these young women and building their trust and violating their trust.
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: She's already been charged with multiple counts of perjury in
• 24:24
  Speaker 14: the past. And what we know as psychologists is the
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 14: not saying a whole lot of truth telling in her
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: past behavior.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: The US Attorney General promising out the Yin Yang, promising
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the release of the Epstein files, and now we're being
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: told there's nothing in there, so we're not releasing them.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: If there's nothing in there, why not release them?
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: These is I cover up with epic proportions and a
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: lot of errors in the Justice Department.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: For the information contiding those files, who jeopardize any potential
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: appeal as the East lying Maxwell.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And now a big stinct in the middle of the case,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Elaine Maxwell actually meets with the Feds.
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: Listen as Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche announced as a
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: meeting with Gilleene Maxwell to gather more information on Jeffrey
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: Epstein and his alleged clients. The House Oversight Committee also
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: announces plans to subpoena Maxwell. Representative James Comer, the committee chair,
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: makes it clear that Maxwell will not be receiving any
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: kind of pardon or immunity in exchange for her testimony.
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: The Jailhouse deposition has been tentatively scheduled for August eleventh.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: They want to know if Maxwell wants to talk, what
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: she has to say, So that's why yesterday my committee
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: moved to make a motion to issue subpoena if she's
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: wanting a pardon or any type of immunity. That's off
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: the table.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: From our friends at CNN. Okay, she's talking, She is talking.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: She had a very long meeting and she went back
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: into her facility, her cio, with a huge box obviously
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: containing documents. Reportedly she had on handcuffs so tight during
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that meeting with the Feds that her wrists were red
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: when she came out of the meeting. Lauren Colin joining us, Lauren,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: what do you know?
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: Delay Maxwell?
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: On July twenty fourth and July twenty fifth, she met
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche at her Tallahassee prison
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: and it lasted for about two days, and she had
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: a box with her when she went back to prison
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: that there was photographs taken.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: Everybody was wondering what was in this box.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: And apparently her handcuffs were on extremely tight Nancy. So
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: we hopefully will find out what was said during this meeting.
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: We are not sure yet.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about what doctor Cheryl Eric just said
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to Eric fattis joining us. Feneran trial lawyer, following up
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: also on what Lauren Colins said. She'll say anything to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: get out, to get out from behind bars. But whatever
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: she says will very likely be corroborated. So I'm trying
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to figure out what you think about her talking for
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours from behind bars. It's got
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to be about the Epstein files, obviously, but I would
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: imagine the first thing she did was try to hammer
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: out a deal for herself totally.
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, look, we know that she's not
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: doing this out of the goodness of her heart, right,
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: she has got an incentive. She's behind bars in a
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: box for twenty years, and so you know, my question too,
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: is is how did this conversation go? You know, she's
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: asked a bunch of leading questions like hey, was this
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: person involved? She might feel, hey, they want me to
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: say that, so I'm just going to agree to it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: There are certainly credibility issues, but like you said, it
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: can be cross checked against documents in other investigations.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That ability issues, that's a that's putting it mildly, that's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: putting perfume on the pig.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Julayne Maxwell. Credibility issues.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I want you to hear what the late
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Virginia's you'frey had to say about Julaine Maxwell.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: The late Virginia Gufray, a former Epstein sex slave, always
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: pointed to Maxwell as the cruler of the couple. Goufrey
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: called Maxwell vicious, evil and the geppetto to Epstein's Pinocchio.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Maxwell was heavily criticized for playing dumb in a twenty
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: sixteen deposition asking the deposer to explain a sex toy
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to her. At one point in the interview. Maxwell also
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: publicly denied that Gufrey ever met Prince Andrew, despite sending
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: next to her with the royal and heavily circulated photos.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: You know what, Robert.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Crispin, a couple of people here on the set actually
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: broke a smile when the issue regarding Julainne Maxwell playing
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: dumb and not being forthcoming under oath in a depot
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: asking the questioner to explain what is a sex toy? Crispin, obviously,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: people that Craig a smile at Juline Maxwell being clever
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and witty have never seen a sex trafficking victim.
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: I just think that Elaine Maxwell is obviously a piece
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: of garbage, and when I react to her testimony, I'm
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: reacting to she's such a liar. I hope these guys
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: aren't falling for any of this, and this entire meeting
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: that's going on with the US Attorney's Office last week.
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: Trust me, when they talked to her, they said, we
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: will walk out in the first lie or deception that
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: we feel. So moving forward, every single question we ask
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: you must be the truth. Trust me. That has been
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: reiterated to her from the government officials as well as
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: her lawyers. Elaine wants out, Elaine wants to live. It's
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: go time. And I guarantee you she's given the government
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: some bombshell information. And I think that's why this list
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: has not come out, because now they have to go
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: back and decipher every single thing that she said. This
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: meeting wasn't just to go talk about the case. This
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: was a very pointed, direct and factual obtaining mission by
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: the US Attorney's Office.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Crispin.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had to do something in the pursuit
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of the truth, in the pursuit of justice that turned
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: your stomach? For instance, put somebody on the stand of
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: questionable character. Let me just put it mildly, because you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: needed the testimony. I call it going to hell to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: get the witness to put the devil in jail. I
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich by even entertaining
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: any kind of a deal for Jelainne Maxwell. As a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: matter of fact, we heard what Virginia's fright now dead
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: by suicide had to say about Jelainne Maxwell. Well, another victim,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Teresa Helm, says something similar.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: Victim Teresa Helm echoes other's concern that Maxwell will not
• 31:23
  Speaker 15: provide any more truth on the situation. Helm describes Maxwell
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: as crafty and extremely articulate. Helm worries Maxwell will walk
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: away from these meetings with the sweetheart.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Deal and the public will be left wanting.
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: Helm says if Maxwell negotiates anything like Epstein's two thousand
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: and seven slap on the wrist, it would be a
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: tragic day for those who survived her horrific abuse.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Promise after promise after promise, the confusion around suicide, the homicide,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the edited video.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: They said that he was found dead from an apparent suicide.
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: There are more than eleven thousand documents that have not
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: been released to the publics around this child at sex
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: trafficking ring.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Why would they have lied about that?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Federal officials tell us that what's in those files is
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: quote shocking, disgusting, or sending anything they've seen before.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: That's bad.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: That's bad for a politician who's seen it all and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: likely done it all to say the files are that contemptuous.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell maybe the key to the client list, as
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: we call it euphemistically, young girls that were lured by
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell says she is sinister, that she's worse than
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Epstein himself. The federal government also calls her quote crafty listen.
• 32:58
  Speaker 16: Federal prosecutors wrote in Glene Maxwell's sentencing memorandum that the
• 33:02
  Speaker 16: socialite displayed a significant pattern of dishonest conduct. They noted
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: several instances of Maxwell lying under oath. In twenty twenty one,
• 33:10
  Speaker 16: Maxwell told the court, I have committed no crime, which
• 33:13
  Speaker 16: was demonstrably false. In a twenty sixteen deposition, Maxwell Clayton
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: she never gave victim Annie Farmer a massage, but Farmer's
• 33:21
  Speaker 16: testimony at trial established that as a lie. Maxwell also
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: lied about her assets while applying for bail. Prosecutors wrote,
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: in short, the defendant decides when she wishes to disclose
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: facts to the court, and those facts shift when it
• 33:35
  Speaker 16: serves the defendant's interests.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is, who do you think Epsen's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: hanging around with nouns and priests of vergence. No, he's
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: with Julanne Maxwell. She is a child molester, and she's convicted.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And she is a liar.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: So far her appeals have been turned down. Now she's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: trying to get the Supremes on her case. Lauren Colin,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You've done extensive interviews and research.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: What more can you tell us?
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: Yes, So, I actually interviewed her Appellet team, or part
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: of her Appellet team, in February of twenty twenty five,
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: right when Pam Bondy was supposed to roll out Phase
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: one of these files. So I'm talking to Arthur Idalla
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: and he actually tells me that Glaine said to him
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: about Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged quote unquote suicide, that
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein would not have the balls excuse my language,
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: to kill himself. I found that incredibly interesting. But at
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: the same time, Nancy, Arthur also seemed to gaslight me
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: a little bit in this interview, and I've clipped it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: You can find this very easily where he says to me, Lauren,
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: I just don't think that Glaine has this power.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: That you think that she has.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: And that was a slap to me, because look, we're
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: all talking about it, Nancy, she does. And something you
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: just said, when you talk about these files and you've
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: heard that they are quote shocking, disgusting, I mean, you
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: are visibly horrified.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Right When Pam Bondy did her little media tore.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: About this, all she said about these files were Oh,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: it's pretty sick, They're pretty sick. That didn't sit right
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: with me. That to me was very that was very telling.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: She hasn't read the files. She doesn't even know what's
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: on these files. And so again this just goes back
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: to us being lied to, the American people being lied to.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know who to trust at this point. You know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: as you've said, Delane, she's been charged in twenty twenty
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: multiple counts of perjury. So why are we supposed to
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: believe her now?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: What I have learned in the course of our properly
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters she's talking about,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Epstein has quote shot me down to my core. Mangino
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: said that on X he goes on to state, we
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: cannot run a republic like this. I'll never be the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: same after learning what I have learned. Okay, I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: what does he have to do take out a billboard
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: on Third Avenue for anybody to pay attention. This guy, again,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: has not been marinated in the power of the White House.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: He just got in as deputy director of the FBI,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and he says he cannot forget what he's seen, that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: he is quote shot to the core. What is in
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the files?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Back to you, Joe Scott, Morgan joining us.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back, Joe Scott to the fact
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that you and I and many many others believe that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Epstein was murdered. His brother believes it, people that knew
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: him believes it. In all this business about Julanne Maxwell's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: defense lawyer saying, oh, she doesn't know anything. Of course
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: he's going to say something like that. What do you
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: expect He's paid to say things like that. But Joe Scott,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: when you look at the brutality of Epstein's death, those
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: deep furrows in his neck, bottom line, she better come
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: up with some.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Truth, a big truth bomb in a hurry. Yeah, that's my.
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: Biggest piece to this that I don't know. It's so
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: glaringly obvious. You can see it actually on the CBS report.
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: Those marks on his neck, Nancy, The biggest tell for
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: me as an old death investigator is the fact that
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: they run parallel to his shoulders. There's not the tinting
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: feature of the classic tinting feature where you have with
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: a hanging these marks on his neck, and I urge
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: everybody just to look at these. It's very simple to
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: see they run backwards like this instead of going to
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: an apex behind his head. That is what we would
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: call a typical I mean, what did he do, lay down,
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: face down on the floor with a noose around his
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: neck in order to draw, in order to draw the
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: thing around his neck and choke the life out of him.
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: I just don't see it happening. You cannot sell this
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: to me, no matter how hard you try. I am
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: not believe in it.
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: After her hours long meeting with Deputy US Attorney General
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: Todd Blanche Galene, Maxwell returns to the FCI Tallahassee, clad
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: and brown prison clothes and handcuffed in the front. But
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: when she goes through the gates, an officer follows behind
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: her with a mysterious box. Once Maxwell is freed from
• 38:17
  Speaker 15: the cuffs, she carries the bin inside. It's unclear what
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: its contents are.
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: Founded pointed in.
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: You guys, I want to talk about that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: What I do want to say is that DoD is
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: a great attorney. But you ought to be speaking about
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Larry Sombry's.
• 38:37
  Speaker 16: You ought to be speaking about some.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Of his friends that are.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: Edge fun guys.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: They're all over the place.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: You ought to be.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Speaking about Bill Lynton, who went to the island twenty
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: eight times. I never went to the island.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to talk about them. I'd love to.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Now, just recently, Sidney Sumner, you were with me when
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: this happened. Sidney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter, the attorney
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: for nine and counting of victims of Epstein's child wanns
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: station victims, said that point blank he can't give the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: names because of attorney client privilege.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: He has to hold those names in.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But he said that there are many many corporate clients
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: John's of Epstein's that had sex with underage girls.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That's statutory rape. He said that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: And now we hear Trump stating you ought to be
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: talking about Larry Summers. You ought to be talking about
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: some of his friends that are hedge fund guys. They
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  Speaker 2: kind of fits in with what the victims lawyer said,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you ought to be talking about Bill Clinton, who went
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to the island twenty eight times.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Why was he at the island?
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Leda island twenty eight times? Trump says, I never went
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to the island, And you know what, I believe him.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think he ever went to the island.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: But if his name is in those files, he's gonna
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: have I have to answer up. And doesn't preclude Larry Summers,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the Hedge find guys, or Bill Clinton from answering up.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: They're not mutually exclusive, said Nate.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Remember when the victim's lawyer referred to all those corporate
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: clients of Epstein's.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, and therein lies the problem is that you
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: hear all of these Well, Bill Clinton has been to
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: the island twenty eight times. Okay, where is that information
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: coming from? Exactly how do you have proof of that?
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: And how do we get proof of that. We need
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: to know exactly who was there and when. And it really,
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, it isn't the public's business,
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: but you've made it the public's business because you've promised transparency.
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: You've promised that we're going to see how the investigation unfolded,
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: and why there isn't enough evidence to prove that anyone
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: else was involved in this, because those are the types
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: of comments that make the public feel like other people
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: should be prosecuted. So we're questioning, why aren't other people
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: having to take responsibility for their participation in this child
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: sex trafficking ring? But you casually throw out, oh, this
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: person wasn't involved. You can't have both. It's a double
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: edged sword. So it's really coming back and biting the
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: White House and the butt and they are just all
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: over this issue on opposite sides. Just ten days before
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: Todd Blanche arranged this meeting with Guwayne Maxwell, the DOJ
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: formally opposed for appeal to the Supreme Court. They told
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: the Supreme Court, hey, don't listen to this. This isn't valid.
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: She needs to remain behind bars, right where she is.
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: But now they want her to spill her guts on
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: everything she knows.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, But again, those two are
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: not mutually exclusive. Her appeal has no merit, and I'll
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: tell you why. She doesn't have a leg to stand on.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: She's trying to say that she was governed by Epstein's
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: plea deal in Palm Beach decades ago. No, I can't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: take a guilty please from you, Sydney, and then you
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: give immunity, but out of your deal to Robert Crispin.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: That has to be done through Crispin. See what I mean.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: So Epstein's prosecutors didn't have the power to say we're
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: never going to prosecute anybody else in connection to this case. Ever,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: they could do that for him for Epstein, but that
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: type of blanket immunity to govern decades in the future, that's.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: A big no.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So I agree with the FEDS that that appeal has
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: no merit. At the same time, the FEDS want to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: talk to her about the Epstein files. But I see
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: what you're saying is duplicatus to It's like one hand
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what the other hand is doing. I hear you,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Lauren Conlin. I'm where does it end? Because when I
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: hear the deputy director of the FBI say this is
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: no way to run a republic. We cannot run a
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: republic like this quote, I'll never be the.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Same after learning what I've learned. Yes, I agree, this is.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: Very tough, and I think I just go back to
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: you know, I side with you when it comes to
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: Dan Bongino. He is not a career politician, but Nancy,
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: he was very much on board with this narrative that
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Pam Bondi put out. He was tweeting it out, He
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: and Cash Mattel were echoing the same thing. They were
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: all on the same page. And then the reaction from
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: his fellow Republicans, from the American people, you know, he
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: saw that, and then all of a sudden he backpedaled.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: And at the beginning of all this back in February,
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: there was also some blame on James Denihy and the FBI,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: which is again why I go back to the whole,
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: Like the dj and the FBI seemed to be taking
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: the can down the road. But I agree with Sidney Sumner,
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: this is a double edged sword here.
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: The lead has been treated unfairly for over five years now.
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: If you looked up the.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Scapegoat in the dictionary, her face.
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: Would be next to the definition, next to the Dictionary
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: definition of it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: She's telling the streets. She's got no reason to lie
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: at this point, and she's going to keep telling the truths.
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: That's all we have today. What is he saying that's
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: for our friends at the teleha see Democrat of course,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: exclaimed Maxwell's defense lawyer, saying, look, she's been treating and fairly.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: She's child in lester for decades and decades and decades.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: If you look up scapegoat in the dictionary, her face
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: would be next to it. Okay, she may be a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: scapegoat because everybody was angry Epstein didn't go to trial.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean she's innocent. What hangs in the balance justice,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: What hangs in the balance the truth, All politics aside truth.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: That's what we're asking for. That's what we're asking for, Bondie,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you promised, now deliver What if anything will become of
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours in a room with Gleainne Maxwell.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Will we ever get justice?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Or because rich and powerful defendants may be involved, will
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: it all just be swept under the rug like we're
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: gonna forget it?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We're not.
• 45:36
  Speaker 17: We remember an American hero Deputy Sheriff Alejandro Martinez, La
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: County Sheriff, just twenty seven, killed in a line of duty,
• 45:45
  Speaker 17: survived by father, our tiro American hero Deputy Sheriff Alejandro Martinez.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend
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  Speaker 15: Y