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Should airlines compensate doctors for helping on flights? · Anele and the Club on 947

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  Speaker 1: Wake up with a playing.
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  Speaker 2: And the club nine four seven.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever done something nice for someone It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: even nice, You just did something. It could have been
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  Speaker 3: a part and parcel of who you are, your job,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe you mc some something for someone ranking and
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  Speaker 3: then they shower you with like an expensive gift.
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  Speaker 4: Or they just say thank you, but like it's like
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  Speaker 4: over the top thing, Like you walk away going wow, Wow,
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  Speaker 4: I thought I was just doing someone a favor and
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just like, this is a lot for
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  Speaker 3: such a little favor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That ever happened to you?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's happened a few times.
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  Speaker 4: I remember helping out at a church fate in my twenties. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and we had to like it was like cooking what what?
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  Speaker 1: And they gave me.
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  Speaker 4: They gave me like a whole bunch of stationary like
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  Speaker 4: books and all sorts of things to say thank you.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you're mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I am seed something for you know,
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  Speaker 3: like friends of mine and I've known them for we're
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  Speaker 3: going on fifteen years now, and then.
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  Speaker 2: They got me like a really expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Bracelet and please do it again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that was over the top.
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  Speaker 5: That's so nice. You guys are so lucky that you're
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  Speaker 5: not doctors. So a friend of mine was telling me
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  Speaker 5: recently that she got her husband was on a work
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  Speaker 5: trip and as a result, she got a free business
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  Speaker 5: class ticket separate to him. They were traveling separately because
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  Speaker 5: he was already at a conference, right, And it's the
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  Speaker 5: first time she's ever phoned bisiness class.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: She's so excited and she's a doctor. And then over
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  Speaker 5: the speaker, she's in the bathroom and she has if
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  Speaker 5: there's a doctor police, can someone come help? So she's
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  Speaker 5: in the bathroom, she finishes up, and then she eventually
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  Speaker 5: goes to the gully and she says, do you still
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  Speaker 5: need a doctor? And the lady's like, actually we do.
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  Speaker 5: She gets there, there is another doctor helping, but he's
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  Speaker 5: not the right doctor for the situation. Is like an
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  Speaker 5: ophthalmologist or something like an eye doctor and the person's
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  Speaker 5: not right. So she's like, okay, cool, but this person
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  Speaker 5: needs to be looked. After the entire flight, she had
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  Speaker 5: to keep monitoring blood pressure, keep monitoring everything to do
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  Speaker 5: with this patient.
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  Speaker 2: So she never got to enjoy business class.
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  Speaker 5: One time business class seat, and the airline just never
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  Speaker 5: gave her like anything, not a free ticket, not a
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  Speaker 5: thank you, nothing to complain.
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  Speaker 1: Did she make it?
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  Speaker 2: I think no, no, what the hypocritic, hypocratic.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to help.
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  Speaker 4: But I would have definitely stopped and said, dear Airways, no,
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  Speaker 4: thank you very much, but I helped you.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get the free tickets.
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  Speaker 5: It's so unfair because if it were me and I
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  Speaker 5: was the patient, I would have tried to contact the.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor to thank them, to pay them something.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, airlines, pay the consult fee for a twenty four
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  Speaker 5: hour flight, or give her a free ticket or something.
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  Speaker 2: Thank her.
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  Speaker 6: Shouldn't have to she does.
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  Speaker 7: Man, if you sat in your seat and said nothing,
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  Speaker 7: do you think when you land, they're gonna go right?
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  Speaker 6: Who on this flight was a doctor who should have helped.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not doing a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, But if you're a doctor and you get to
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  Speaker 3: like a car accident, you have to help that.
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  Speaker 2: Like by law, you're bound to help.
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  Speaker 6: Oh would you look at the time, I'm racing to
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  Speaker 6: a meeting. No, like somebody.
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  Speaker 5: She went to go watch again her kid plays sport
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  Speaker 5: and one of the kids collapsed, and she said she
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  Speaker 5: had to literally assist this kid. This kid needed a trip,
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  Speaker 5: blah blah blah. She missed her chances entire game. No,
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  Speaker 5: thank you.
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  Speaker 4: That's for me as well, that the person you're helping
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  Speaker 4: doesn't send you a big bunch of flowers at least.
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  Speaker 3: Hm, who's the villain in the story. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: the airline because the person who's sick, you're sick.
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  Speaker 2: You're not in.
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  Speaker 1: It, you know what I'm saying. I still think it's
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  Speaker 1: the patient. I'm going to pick there.
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  Speaker 3: No, absolutely, the airline should have gifted her two business
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  Speaker 3: tlass tickets for helping out on there and to them
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  Speaker 3: it's nothing broh.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I don't think there's an obligation to reward
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  Speaker 7: you because you guys said it's an oath, right, and
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  Speaker 7: she's obligated to assist. So why are we reimbursing you
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  Speaker 7: compensating you for an obligation?
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  Speaker 5: Because what's better a doctor on your plane or a
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  Speaker 5: death on your flight?
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  Speaker 3: Are Yeah exactly, aline should actually.
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  Speaker 2: Fly with the doctor on their flights all the time.
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  Speaker 6: I understand. Yeah, that person then should be compensated.
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  Speaker 3: So then in what's the opposite of that is that
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  Speaker 3: if somebody is there helping.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're freelancing, or they're volunteers, they are consultants, and
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  Speaker 5: they deserve to be paid.
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  Speaker 3: Oh one one eight thirty eight nine four seven.
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  Speaker 2: What's your two cents on this?
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  Speaker 3: Should the airline pay doctors in kind or something when
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  Speaker 3: they hop out on the flights.
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  Speaker 4: If I collapsed on the flight and the doctor helped me,
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  Speaker 4: I'd buy them their tickets back just to say thank you. Noney,
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  Speaker 4: do you have this person saved your life dude for free?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: You guys make you sound like it's fun to be here?
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  Speaker 2: Is that to be where?
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  Speaker 6: As in with us, to be in this realm?
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  Speaker 2: Zero? As in you don't mind dying?
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  Speaker 1: We should just leave you?
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  Speaker 2: You're so dark?
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  Speaker 3: Zero eight four double zero double zero nine four seven.
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  Speaker 3: A doctor saves your life on a plane, who must
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  Speaker 3: compensate the doctor you who's.
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  Speaker 2: Now alive to tell the tale?
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  Speaker 3: Or the airline who can avoid a headline that says
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  Speaker 3: mang Monk dies on mang Moong Airways.
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  Speaker 2: It's the airline, guys, look up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Like something British always would do.
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  Speaker 6: No, I feel a compensation should come from both.
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  Speaker 3: The patient is dying, they saved their life.
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  Speaker 2: And the airline of what a whole lot of p are.
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  Speaker 3: So both as a doctor myself, I think if you
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  Speaker 3: do get compensated, it's great.
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  Speaker 6: However, it's not something that is encouraged.
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  Speaker 3: Or sought after, because, after all, you saved the life.
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  Speaker 7: No one's going to know that your doctor if you
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  Speaker 7: don't raise up your hand and see your doctor.
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  Speaker 9: So hippocratic oath is all good and well, but these
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  Speaker 9: days there are no Samaritan protection laws, so there's nothing
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  Speaker 9: protecting me if you decide to assume me if I.
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  Speaker 5: Helped you, So there is no obligation for me to
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  Speaker 5: help you that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what he do.
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  Speaker 3: You and Linden morning with great why he'd have things
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  Speaker 3: on your end?
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  Speaker 1: All good talk to us.
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  Speaker 9: My cousin is an aprologist, a kidney specialist, and he
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  Speaker 9: was running the Comrades Marathon and obviously months and months
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  Speaker 9: of training before that, and in and around him someone
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  Speaker 9: collapsed and he jumped in and helped and eventually sacrificed
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  Speaker 9: his race, got an the ambulance took this person all
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  Speaker 9: the way to the hospital and the Comrade Marathon associated.
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  Speaker 9: So he's yeah, he didn't he didn't finish the race,
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  Speaker 9: but the Comrade Marathon Association awarded him with honorary Gold
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  Speaker 9: middle At. I would already pick the airline to do
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  Speaker 9: something along there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah something, guys, Yes, we get it. That is part
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  Speaker 3: of what you signed up for. But there must be something.
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  Speaker 3: And you see the Comrades Marathon. This is why it's
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  Speaker 3: the greatest human race in the world because they know
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  Speaker 3: that part and parcel of people finishing that race is
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  Speaker 3: because other people have to chip in and make sure
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  Speaker 3: that people finish the race.
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  Speaker 4: Training, I mean training for that race is such a
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  Speaker 4: sacrifice on it right time, hours on the road, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: So making that decision, I'm going to help someone that
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  Speaker 4: I don't know at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Rah Rah to the Commerce Marathon. Why thank you so
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  Speaker 3: much for letting us know. It just restores my faith
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  Speaker 3: here huh stunning things. Can someone just wrap the show
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  Speaker 3: up and go home now? Bank in Alberton, Good morning, team,
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  Speaker 3: How are you good?
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  Speaker 8: So I used to be a flight attendant. Yes, and
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  Speaker 8: this is a debate. So the crew are trained in
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  Speaker 8: something called aviation medicine. It is basically advanced first aid.
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  Speaker 8: But during a flight, should something go wrong, you are
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  Speaker 8: going to request for medical assistance because we're just Therefore,
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  Speaker 8: if I can say the basics, yeah, but I agree
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  Speaker 8: with everyone. I agree with Timbkille. Nobody's going to know
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  Speaker 8: that you're a doctor if you don't say anything. And
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  Speaker 8: in the same breath, I've been in position where I've
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  Speaker 8: had to perform CPR on board and domestic flight. We
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  Speaker 8: requested medical assistance and we had somebody come and assist,
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  Speaker 8: but there was no form of compensation for her. We
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  Speaker 8: ended up losing the patients. I was traumatized. I think
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  Speaker 8: it was the first day on board I'd ever had.
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  Speaker 8: But I think for me there was also just an
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  Speaker 8: edication in a lapse of communication because nobody at the
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  Speaker 8: company that I had worked for, he knew this had
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  Speaker 8: taken place on my flight until I requested counseling. Then
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  Speaker 8: everybody sort of jumps and everybody it's involved. So from
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  Speaker 8: an admin point of view, maybe the airline is not
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  Speaker 8: aware of it, although there are reports that should be fine.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was going to ask because surely the pilots
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  Speaker 4: would cite an incident like that on their flight.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to write how much fuel you used?
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  Speaker 3: If you guys took off leter do you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying things like that?
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  Speaker 1: Then how would you not You must surely report.
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  Speaker 3: Report that somebody passed away on your flight back.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying to get Banker back. This ends happened.
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  Speaker 8: There was there was a lapse that specific period. But
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  Speaker 8: I agree that when somebody offers up their time, whether
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  Speaker 8: it's an oath or whether it's not. And I was
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  Speaker 8: telling Tato off air, it may not be in aviation.
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  Speaker 8: I haven't been in aviation for the last three years,
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  Speaker 8: but I still have a desire to help people. Just yesterday,
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  Speaker 8: I pulled off on the side of the road because
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  Speaker 8: there was a little boy having an athletic fit. Sure
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  Speaker 8: on my way to work, I stopped to help. We
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  Speaker 8: were coming off an MSc cruise and at a resort
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  Speaker 8: and somebody had a heart attack in the pool and
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  Speaker 8: I performed CPR at the resort, So.
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  Speaker 1: I think, human, Did you help them? Did they survived?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 8: They didn't. They didn't, So that's the second.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't they Yes, it's an I feel so bad for you.
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  Speaker 8: It is hectic, it's yeah, it's important to have policies
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  Speaker 8: in place. When you do it on your own, there
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  Speaker 8: is you know, you do run the risk of somebody
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  Speaker 8: suing you for wanting to help. But I agree that
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  Speaker 8: airlines should compensate. I mean, you've given up your entire
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  Speaker 8: business class flights to help someone, and I get that
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  Speaker 8: crew are there for safety, and that probably takes away
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  Speaker 8: from the crew's aspect because now when something like that happens.
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  Speaker 8: So i'll give you an example, you've got a crew
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  Speaker 8: out of action that's now having to monitor that passenger
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  Speaker 8: for vitals. Yeah, if you were busy doing CPR in
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  Speaker 8: the galley, you know, you've got to make sure that
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  Speaker 8: that passenger is somehow safe for the landing, whether you've
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  Speaker 8: diverted or whether you're still making your way to your
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  Speaker 8: destination that way, you've got a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they do, they divert. I mean I've never been
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  Speaker 1: on a flight.
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  Speaker 8: Extreme in extreme circumstances. Yes they do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they will absolutely will. Like you said, this
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  Speaker 3: is extreme and we know that we won't make it
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  Speaker 3: to Cape Town. We have to stop in Bloomfonteine for
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  Speaker 3: this person, for this person, they absolutely will divert. That
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  Speaker 3: I've heard, because my friends are pilots, I've heard that
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  Speaker 3: they have to do.
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  Speaker 4: And Bianca, I presume you've left this industry. This sounds
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  Speaker 4: like it's been so much trauma you don't travel anymore.
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  Speaker 8: I left it not by choice. The company I was
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  Speaker 8: working for liquidated. I think if it wasn't for that,
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  Speaker 8: I'd probably still be in the industry. I love flying,
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  Speaker 8: I love aviation.
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  Speaker 1: Manga, it's just me mango.
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  Speaker 8: It was it was Kolula and British Airways such as
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  Speaker 8: came so I flew both both brands and went down
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  Speaker 8: when the ship went down.
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  Speaker 1: And now what do you do now?
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  Speaker 8: I'm a travel manager for a lifestyle company.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice?
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  Speaker 8: And always I always say, you know, it's different, having
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  Speaker 8: to adjust to behind a desk is different. After over
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  Speaker 8: ten years in aviation, I always say that lift is
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  Speaker 8: is my I don't know my and my soul sister there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: but the charter work I can't do. I have a
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  Speaker 8: wonderful wife, I have a wonderful daughter, and I don't
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  Speaker 8: want to be away from home.
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  Speaker 3: I think, Okay, Thank you, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 3: this call. This is one of the top ten calls
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  Speaker 3: we've ever received on the show, and.
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  Speaker 2: We've been doing this for ten years. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, all the time, guys, You're so welcome. Thank you
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  Speaker 8: for an awesome show and have a great day.
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  Speaker 2: We love you, Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Bye, love you guys too.
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  Speaker 8: Bye.
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  Speaker 2: Bad to making your morning. I'm on ninety four seven.