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Patriots Unfiltered 11/19: Bengals Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Team and League News/Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: to Paul Parrillo talk if you're a local any library.
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  Speaker 4: I was there a couple of years ago and Christmas,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, fine, I mean, granted, like I'm
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  Speaker 4: not playing in the game, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Tired of all.
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  Speaker 2: But as I don't know, this altitude thing doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: bother me.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff. AFC East Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Run the East. Josh Allen at six touchdowns though, so
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  Speaker 2: get ready in a few.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you guys, and you're get ready be here. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want any piece of Mahomes. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: had pieces of him and they're beaten them.
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  Speaker 4: You want to play Mahomes in a wildcard game? I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, Like just like that, you're one and done
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  Speaker 4: in all this great juju that we have this season.
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  Speaker 2: So you've already lost the game.
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  Speaker 3: Now you want the number one scene, right, and you
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  Speaker 3: guys are afraid who's wanting to All of.
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  Speaker 4: A sudden Baltimore sneaks in or Kansas City sneaks in,
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  Speaker 4: and now you're playing one of those teams, and.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're going to lose. All season. We're being told
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  Speaker 3: you got an easy schedule, easy schedule. Then you get
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs and you want more easy schedule. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you know who taught me that, Fred Kurk, not me,
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  Speaker 3: not me. I take on all comers. Oh yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Jillese Stadium,
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  Speaker 3: and it's Evan, it's Paul. No, wow, not Paul. It's
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  Speaker 3: deuced to me Alex and Matt and the booth. Paul
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  Speaker 3: is out. He actually traveled to New York today to
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  Speaker 3: appeal the Jamar Chase uh non appeal. He wants to
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  Speaker 3: Chase to be able to play. He can't believe that
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  Speaker 3: the league upheld this.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I know that it wasn't. Actually that's not the
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  Speaker 4: president wasn't yet.
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  Speaker 5: Right, so right, you were saying that actually sneezed, and
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  Speaker 5: it was it was snots not spits.
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  Speaker 4: But he's they're setting a real precedent with Jaen Carter.
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  Speaker 3: So now I guess this if according to Paul, now
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  Speaker 3: this is the precedent, so the next time they have
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  Speaker 3: to do it right because the precedent has been set. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we kid. Paul is out though he's got some stuff
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  Speaker 3: to take care of today, So it's the three of us.
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  Speaker 5: I think Alex might be joining us a little later.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to stay with you, Fred, I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to go to the locker room. We don't want to
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  Speaker 5: leave leave you alone for you wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Be the first time I've done solo before.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone loves f you.
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  Speaker 3: I've done so low before.
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  Speaker 2: Have you thought what do you do?
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking about Nicetuff Christian ar can't have me
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  Speaker 5: on last night, and I just wonderedim, like, how does
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  Speaker 5: how do you do a solo?
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  Speaker 2: And Joe Murray does it? How do you do a solo?
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  Speaker 3: It's just stream of consciousness and like you're just sitting
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  Speaker 3: there all day thinking about like I could talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: You repeat yourself a lot.
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  Speaker 4: You need a good producer so that you can talk
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  Speaker 4: at least have the producer talk a little bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So it's not completely.
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  Speaker 2: Just overwhelming to me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and our show, it's not too bad because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the callers and you've got the emailers, so
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  Speaker 3: they keep you company. Sure, but I've done solo before. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's at it's tough though, like you know, especially when
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  Speaker 3: you're doing a four hour show every night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough with the you know, the state of radio. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: like they don't they don't have the budget for a
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  Speaker 4: second chair on these night shows. So now all these
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  Speaker 4: night shows are so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Okay, so today is our turn
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  Speaker 3: the page day and Rabel what time is he today?
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  Speaker 3: One ten? So we'll go to Mike Rabel Live when
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  Speaker 3: he does his thing at one ten a little Lakes.
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  Speaker 3: Every week, it's a little later, a little later practice
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  Speaker 3: getting ready for that Monday night football game.
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  Speaker 5: I think pulling back a little bit on the schedule generally,
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  Speaker 5: I think you're trying to make the most of it.
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  Speaker 2: Late by a week.
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  Speaker 4: I think the team is feeling the late by, and
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  Speaker 4: I think they're trying to shorten practice but still have
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  Speaker 4: the ability to be you know, full speed in practice,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe just not for as long because I don't
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  Speaker 4: think they want to lose the speed periods as they
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  Speaker 4: call them.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So so we do turn the page on Wednesday, and
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  Speaker 3: this week when we turn the page, we are looking
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  Speaker 3: at the Cincinnati Bengals.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just cross off.
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  Speaker 3: And according to Evans' game plan that I just read
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  Speaker 3: that you haven't posted, Look, you're posting it tomorrow, little
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  Speaker 3: sneak preview. You're not very high on their defense.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to be.
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  Speaker 4: We were just talking about this on Catch twenty two
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  Speaker 4: because Alex and I normally try to come up with
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  Speaker 4: some things that the opponent could do that would give
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots problems and be somewhat balanced. But with this
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  Speaker 4: Bengals defense, especially without Trey Hendrickson, it's it's hard. Like
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  Speaker 4: there's really they got nothing. They according to Devo, they
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  Speaker 4: might be the worst defense in the history of football,
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  Speaker 4: and that's not an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 3: So why did they get rid of Amorano or whatever
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  Speaker 3: his name is, lou Anarumo?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm a rusting it was close.
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  Speaker 4: So they were bad last year on defense, but they've
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  Speaker 4: gone from bad to worst, right, So they were on
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventh in Dvoa, I want to say, last year,
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  Speaker 4: and now they're dead last this year. So he got
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  Speaker 4: scapegoaded last year for attrition talent attrition that was already
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  Speaker 4: starting on that roster. And then they hired Golden who's
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  Speaker 4: from the college ranks and he's come from Notre Dame
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  Speaker 4: to be their defensive coordinator now, and now their defense
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  Speaker 4: is even worse and the close defense pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with lou.
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  Speaker 3: So good news for the Patriots. Trey Hendrickson isn't going
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  Speaker 3: to be playing. He hasn't played in a few games,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not going to be playing. So I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if if the Bengals do score some points, there's a
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  Speaker 3: possibility that even if it's a shootout, we could even
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  Speaker 3: win that.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I think that's what he do. You don't
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  Speaker 2: want to happen. You just don't want to get into
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  Speaker 2: a shootout with these guys. That's why, you know. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's about.
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  Speaker 5: Stopping t Higgins now and Chase Brown and those elements.
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  Speaker 5: But look, Joe Flacco has been around a while, and
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  Speaker 5: if you make it easy on him, he's gonna he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna carve me out.
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  Speaker 3: I just got a feeling that, you know, like Paul
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  Speaker 3: said yesterday, he is the kind of guy that later
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  Speaker 3: in his career, he'd have these like stretches where oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's the old Joe Flacco again, and then he falls off.
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  Speaker 3: We might have seen first signs of that last week
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  Speaker 3: and hopefully this week, because it's not like you can't
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  Speaker 3: game plan against him because he can only hurt you
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  Speaker 3: one way, and that's vertically really right and.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and they don't run the ball either.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so like traditionally, like with Chase Brown, so as
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  Speaker 4: it's been the biggest kind of confusing part to me
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  Speaker 4: about this Bengals team is that they actually have a
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  Speaker 4: pretty good running back and Chase Brown, and their efficiency
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  Speaker 4: numbers are pretty good running the ball. They just don't
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  Speaker 4: run the ball. So they throw the ball almost seventy
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  Speaker 4: percent of the time. It's number one in the league
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  Speaker 4: in terms of pass rate number, you know, thirty second
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  Speaker 4: in the league in terms of run rate. So they
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  Speaker 4: don't really run the ball at all, which is surprising,
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  Speaker 4: just because I think that with Flacco, you would think
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  Speaker 4: they'd go under center more, they'd run the ball more.
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  Speaker 4: They take a little bit off of them. His biggest
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  Speaker 4: issues right now are just when he gets under pressure.
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  Speaker 4: He's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the league
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  Speaker 4: under pressure, probably because he can't get away from it.
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  Speaker 2: But if you put.
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  Speaker 4: Pressure on him, it has been ugly. Yeah, if he's
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  Speaker 4: kept clean though, he's been a top ten passer in
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  Speaker 4: the league with the with the Bengals, not with the Browns.
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  Speaker 5: With the Bengals, and that's what sets it up interesting
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  Speaker 5: to me. But Williams out how do they generate some
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  Speaker 5: pass rush? Did a little bit of a dive earlier
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  Speaker 5: today about just some of their pass rush stats. But
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  Speaker 5: I think the hits are starting to pile up on
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  Speaker 5: Joe Flacco. Last week he got really drilled. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: anyone who's over forty knows it takes a while for
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  Speaker 5: your body to heal, and you know, just one week
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  Speaker 5: to get ready.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it's like you said, Fred, I think
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  Speaker 5: it's easy just when your hey drop back to Jamar,
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  Speaker 5: Chase Thorth, to t Higgins, you know those that those
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  Speaker 5: are great players, and you know some of the catches
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  Speaker 5: that you've seen from t Higgins over this that's just been.
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  Speaker 3: Like right, So, in the games that the Bengals have
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  Speaker 3: been able to produce offensively, is it just because of
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  Speaker 3: pure talent?
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  Speaker 4: Kind of I've kind of thought that way for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years now. Honestly, you know, they they run
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  Speaker 4: a lot of three receiver, they run a lot of shotgun,
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  Speaker 4: they don't run a lot of motion, they don't put
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback under center, they don't run the ball. So
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  Speaker 4: like they they really get away with the fact that
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  Speaker 4: they have that three headed monster Burrow, Chase Higgins, and
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  Speaker 4: how two out of the three aren't there. And I
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  Speaker 4: actually like Chase Brown's a good player, Like I'd probably
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  Speaker 4: put him as like at least three and a half
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  Speaker 4: if not four in that offense, and so they've have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of talent. I've never been blown away by
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  Speaker 4: Zach Taylor's scheme, Like I've never thought that they come
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  Speaker 4: in and throw a lot atches schematically and confuse the
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  Speaker 4: crap out of you. I don't think it's that kind
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  Speaker 4: of offense. But t Higgins a really good player still
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  Speaker 4: even without Jamar Chase and Yoshivahs is like sneaky, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that he's the biggest thing with Yoshivas is
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  Speaker 4: he's a big slot. So if you know they line
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  Speaker 4: him up inside against Marcus Jones, that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a size mismatch in the favor of the Bengals. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the one thing when I look at this matchup
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  Speaker 4: from the Bengals offense perspective, is I think it is
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  Speaker 4: important to shadow receivers in this game and make sure
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  Speaker 4: that you keep Higgins in Yoshiva's away from Marcus.
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  Speaker 3: Put Carlton Davis on on Yeshivas and and Gonzales on Higgins,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, try try Man on Man and I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and put the pressure on Flaco might.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I might flip it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think both those guys are capable of
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  Speaker 5: covering those guys. But I just I think with the
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  Speaker 5: type of player vertically, the t Higgins is double double
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  Speaker 5: him with Davis double him necessarily. But Davis, you know,
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  Speaker 5: has the size and you know, the downfield ability, whereas
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  Speaker 5: Yoshivas is an athletic guy and having Gonzalez's athleticism, maybe
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  Speaker 5: to match that.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit but a.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit more swivel Hills to play the slot a
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  Speaker 3: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Loose hips and flip the hips and and but it's uh,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no Jamar Chase is just it changes everything.
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  Speaker 3: So no Jamar Chase, no Hendrickson, no Burrow, but no
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  Speaker 3: Milton Williams for the Patriots, what this is going to be. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I mean they got through last game pretty much without him,
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  Speaker 3: but what does it mean in this game without Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 2: I mean pressure on Flacco.
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  Speaker 5: That's you know, you want to get pressure on Flacco
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  Speaker 5: and Milt Williams Christian Barmore are.
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  Speaker 2: Right there one two.
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  Speaker 5: You know something interesting though, I thought was Barmore I
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  Speaker 5: think leads the league and pressures, but get the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: are pretty average their eighteenth and four man pressure, so
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's just some disconnects with the defense. But
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  Speaker 5: good opportunity for them, I think to to you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe tee off a little bit, Maybe give Elijah Ponder
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  Speaker 5: some some opportunities off the edge, see what he can do.
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  Speaker 5: You'd love to get an edge or you know, get
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of a lead and allow some of
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  Speaker 5: those younger guys to play.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you can.
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  Speaker 5: Protect Barmore a little bit because he's even more vital
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  Speaker 5: now without Milton Williams in there.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, one other thing on the other side
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  Speaker 2: of the ball.
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  Speaker 5: Tom Pellisara reporting that Stevenson might be back this week's
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  Speaker 5: targeting with his toe injury. So okay, I think that
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  Speaker 5: would be huge you know, I just I can't help
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  Speaker 5: but look at the Bengals with Burrow and how set
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  Speaker 5: up they were when they went to the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 5: and felt like our windows open. And you know, now
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  Speaker 5: Levin is talking about I mean, I don't even think
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  Speaker 5: there's really an injury at running back. This is like
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  Speaker 5: kind of how they want to do it and what
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  Speaker 5: are they doing wrong? Because I feel like they are
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  Speaker 5: a few years ahead of the Patriots in terms of
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  Speaker 5: I know they're different teams, but having the quarterback and
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  Speaker 5: feeling like, all right, we've got something going here. It
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  Speaker 5: feels like they spent so much time trying to solidify
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line that they kind of let the rest
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  Speaker 5: of it go to crap.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. You know, the Bengals have been
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  Speaker 3: notoriously I don't want to say cheap, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to call any team that, but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're at a disadvantage because of their
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  Speaker 3: market and their owner or the r owner doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: deep pockets. He's not like an oil man like Jerry Jones.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that you kind of touched
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  Speaker 3: on it right there. A lot of people never thought
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  Speaker 3: they were going to be able to keep t Higgins,
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  Speaker 3: let alone Jamar Chase, but they kept both of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and did they do that to the detriment of the defense?
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  Speaker 3: Where And I don't like, I'm not an expert on
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  Speaker 3: their talent, but is is there other than Hendrickson? Are
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  Speaker 3: they just really talent deficient on defense?
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  Speaker 4: And they have been for a couple of years now.
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  Speaker 4: Dj Turner is like a solid corner. He's having a
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  Speaker 4: good year for them. But there's really nothing else to
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  Speaker 4: the right home about. You know, just texting this week
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  Speaker 4: with our buddy Trags who's now covering the Bengals in Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 4: Like he was talking about their linebackers and how bad
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  Speaker 4: their linebackers have been all year. So they just don't
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  Speaker 4: have a ton of talent on defense. They've drafted high
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  Speaker 4: on defense. You know, Jamar Stewart was a first round pick.
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  Speaker 4: He's now on ir and he wasn't playing well before that.
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  Speaker 4: He also had that weird holdout. Yeah, so they I
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  Speaker 4: think the way that the Bengals have been built they
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  Speaker 4: is a draft and developed team. And the drafting after
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  Speaker 4: the Borough Chase Higgins, you know, home runs three in
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  Speaker 4: a row there, their drafting has kind of fallen off.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're not going to go out and spend
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  Speaker 4: big in free agency like the Patriots did this past
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  Speaker 4: offseason to you know, up the floor of the team again,
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  Speaker 4: then it's going to be really hard. And so defensively,
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  Speaker 4: they've just kind of fallen apart.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I had a relative that used to be
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  Speaker 3: a coach at the Bengals and he said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is years ago, but the end of the season,
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  Speaker 3: they'd hand the coaches clipboards they go scout. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: barely had a personnel. Now that's changed, but they, like
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  Speaker 3: I said, they don't have the liquidity that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these other teams have.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that they've drafted well outside of this pocket.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this has been a rougher stretch for them,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, you can't do much better than Burrow,
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  Speaker 4: Higgins and Chase like that. Those three picks are home
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  Speaker 4: runs and they just haven't really been able to build
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  Speaker 4: on that. And I think most importantly, you know, D's
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  Speaker 4: talking about the offensive line, like they haven't really fixed
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  Speaker 4: the offensive line. Burrow's constantly hurt playing behind that offensive line. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you know that's that's a big part of it,
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  Speaker 4: is the trenches and what they've been able to do
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  Speaker 4: is I get.
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  Speaker 3: That, but the kind of injuries that Burrows had, one
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  Speaker 3: of them happened in preseason last year. The other turf
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  Speaker 3: tow doesn't happen because of your line.
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  Speaker 4: Really, I mean, but he's dropping back to pass a
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  Speaker 4: million times, I know, and there's a lot on him,
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  Speaker 4: and he's under siege, and it just I think it's
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  Speaker 4: just adds up. Like I don't know if it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: there is this Drew Bledsoe like hit where he got
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  Speaker 4: cleaned out and and you know that sidelined him. But
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  Speaker 4: over the course of this of a career, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you're behind a bad offensive line, it's what happened
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  Speaker 4: to Andrew Luck right.
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  Speaker 3: Like, and you just came he was, he got pounded.
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  Speaker 4: You keep getting hit and hit and hit then eventually
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  Speaker 4: catches up to you.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what they're going to do this offseason.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is you know, Burrow might come back
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: at the end and maybe he gives them a little
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: bit of a spark. But I think the bigger picture,
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: you're looking at the Bengals team that doesn't really still
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: seem like they're going to be in the conversation of
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: the favorite.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about it a couple of weeks
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: ago about what would it take to get Burrow out
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: of Cincinnati, and I said, you know, get him, you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: get Joe Cool to New York. But they were talking
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: about it yesterday on the radio, like what would it
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: take to get him out? And where would he go?
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Would he go to.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: LA in terms of like trade compensation.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: And would it ever? Could it ever happen? I mean,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: you say, oh no, the Bengals would never do it,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: But we've seen bigger trades happen, whether it's the NBA
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: or you know, all over the place. So in these days,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule anything out.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I'd have to ask out. Yeah, yeah, well he's from Ohio.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: And you're not.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: They're not going to willingly trade him. But if he
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: asks out, he asks out.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: And everybody knows what the Bengals are.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: And to your point, Fred, it felt like they had
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: some rookie contract guys and then they kind of reached
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: critical mass. They had to pay a few guys and
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: now they're like, all right, well that's kind of it for.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: A little while. They I mean, the running game is
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: is that to me?
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: When you've got you can't really pass block and you're
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: getting your quarterback killed, like really investing in the run
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: game and really trying to fix that and give having
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: him some support, you know, And I just I look
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: at now, I look at teams like this and say,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: you know, what can the Patriots learn from how this
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: is unfolded for them?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Of course, any team that loses a guy like Joe Burrow, it's.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Going to be bad, but right now it just feels
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: like it's beyond bad. And when you look at worst
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: defense of all time, I mean they got they got
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of work to do.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's you know, you have to continuously
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: add like you can't just get complacent and say, oh, well,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: we have this ten year window because we have this
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: franchise quarterback, and no matter what we do, we're just
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: always going to have a chance if we have Joe Burrow,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: because things happen, He gets hurt, his playmakers get hurt,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: like whatever, Like you know, things kind of fall apart,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: and Burrow.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Doesn't strike me as the kind of person who's complacent,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Like I think he wants he wants a ring.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Right well, And that's what I mean.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I mean He's probably looking at this defense feeling like
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Christ like I'm.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Years aa he was lobbying hard for Jamar Chase and
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: he hes right, you know, I.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Mean there's an element too of those three kis are awesome,
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: and so they're gonna get you to a certain level
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: of competence on offense, but protecting the quarterback, building the
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: team for the long haul.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: For a playoff push, being able to you know, do
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: numerous things.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: It's it's you know, I mean, yeah, they'll they'll win
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: some games chucking it up to chasing Higgins, but is
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: it going to be enough when they get against the
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: good teams down the stretch. I mean, I look back
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: at their defense, went to Jesse Bates was there so right,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: he was one of their guys, Hendrickson and who was
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: the other the other bookend defensive end that they had
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: that was good for a while, Sam Hubbard, Yeah, he
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: you know, I think he retired, Logan Wilson got traded.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: I mean they did have some pieces. It felt like
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: they had a moment where it was yeah, I mean.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Those drafts right like the twenty you know when it
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Burrows think was twenty twenty, So like from my twenty
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: to twenty twenty two. I think they drafted Higgins a
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: year before they drafted Burrow, and they drafted Burrow and
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: then they drafted Chase. Yeah, and I think the one
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: day now that you could say about the Bengals and
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: not to do this whole thing again, but they're probably
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: gonna have a top ten pick in the draft next year.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Right, so, like why receiver?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: You know they'll be a it's a great defense draft
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: this year. There's a lot of pass rush in this draft, Like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: so maybe they have a home run draft. They get
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Burrow back healthy, and then all of a sudden, it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you know, they're back in the mix. Because I do
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: think with Burrow is healthy, they're a contender in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: AFC until he's not.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so if they.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Can hit on some talent on defense and get him back,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: you know upright in twenty six and they're gonna be
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: in the mix.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how Demetrius Night's been to him.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I kind of liked him coming out second round linebacker pick.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Not great.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, him and Barrett Carter have really struggled. Barret Carter
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: in particular has rookies.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's if you if you swapped out the Patriots
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: linebackers with two rookies.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You probably see similar comment.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Logan Wilson was already losing time to those
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: guys and that's why he got traded. And then those
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: guys are not any better, but they're younger, so they're
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: trying to develop them so they're playing. Like I just
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I think the other thing with the Bengals is like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: would why would you bring Burrow back? And I know
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: he wants to play, and I know he's a competitor
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, but like you're going
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: to bring him back at like three and eight or
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: three and nine to do what to win games?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That's going to hurt your draft pick.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But and like it just I think it's good
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: for the culture.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, I don't know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, your best player wants to play.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I think I think I think there's everybody knows that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: he wants.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: To But but and he's going to play like like
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: nothing's holding him back. I think that's that's good for
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the culture. I if I was a fan, i'd like
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: If I was in the front office, I would totally
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: agree with Evan if like, you know, don't. But as
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: a coach and wanting to understand where this team's mentality is,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: there is some value to me as a coach. Not
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: looking forward to the draft or playoffs or any of that,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: but you know, getting a chance to see what's this
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: team look like when our guy is back under center.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: If I was Duke Tobin and he comes back and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: they win, Like, do.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: They play any teams down the road that are factors
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: with us? Like, I mean they love him to play
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: spoiler for us.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, they probably played Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: There you go, look real quick.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm sure, so maybe maybe we should.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Be right exactly going to the Patriots side of the ball.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You mentioned Stevenson as a possibility. What about who?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no word on who. We don't know.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Ye well yeah, Raybel wasn't asked about him. He sounded
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: optimistic about Booty and Stevenson. Yeah, or at least that
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: they're going to practice and and we'll see.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Because I'm just thinking, you know, you when as soon
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: as somebody says, oh, the linebackers aren't good, I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: tight ends, Yeah, tight ends over the middle.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I would say the biggest thing is running backs
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: with them. They've had absolutely terrible time covering running backs.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Ganewell had a big game against them.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: So you know, if Henderson can get loose a little
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: bit in this game, sure, Jack.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: West, uhje, but it would be nicely walking from I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: not going to pick on Jack West.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Travon Henderson is the type of player that has
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: given them problems. You know, Gan Will had two touchdowns
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: last week and like eighty eighty receiving yards, so that
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: that backs out of the backfield have been a big
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: issue for them.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels licking his chops this week.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I hope, So, I hope.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: So this is the type of game that I feel
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: like is the most fun for him because like you
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: can just put this defense into a pretzel.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Right. They have a lot of young players playing.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: You watch their film and there's coverage bus left and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: right because they don't know how to handle things, like
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna motion here, We're going to release
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: out of a bunch there, We're gonna go three by
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: one and then we're gonna distribute it like this, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: like the Bengals are just like running all over the place.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Held always get a sense when some goods coming when
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: the defense is all looking at Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the amount of times I almost like
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: screenshot the amount of times I saw palms up on
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the film from the Bengals defense, being like I thought you.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Had them, you know, and real quick.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Fred, to your point, I mean, I think Patriot fans
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: should should want Burrough to come back and play well
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: because their remaining schedu will be at Ravens at Bill's
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: versus Ravens at Dolphins, to Cardinals and Browns.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, three of those games are huge for us.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: They're gonna have some impact on the Let's go, Joe,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Let's go, come on, Joe.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: It's also like you know, long game, like I would
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: not like the Bengals to have a great draft pick.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: So you know, as a Patriots fan, it's it's double trouble. Like, right,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: if I'm Duke Tobin and Joe Burrow comes back and
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: wins like three games at the end of the year,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: now I'm picking eleventh instead of third, I'm gonna lose
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: my mind.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of jockeying at that, like
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: top ten picks this year. I mean, Patriots have been
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: in that mix the last couple of years and we
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: play that game of like.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Where are they going to end up? What's it going
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to look like?
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: But yeah, this year there's quite a few teams with one,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: two wins, three wins that probably gonna be in that
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: mix for that those top picks.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: All right, if five pass five hundred is the hotline
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address again,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we'll have Mike Rable at about one ten today. Evan
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: will be going to the locker room. Dude will be
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: hanging around. Alex might be coming in a little later.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Paul is out for the day. He's got some things
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to attend to. So we'll we'll just have to, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: carry on without him, carry on or carry car.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We'll just have to carry on, not carry on, carry on.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: One last stat this was chupped out.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: They given up six hundred and fifty rushing yards in
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: the last three years, and most of it was the
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: previous two.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Last week, I think they gave up one hundred and ten.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: But like they can't tackle ramondra Stevenson coming back at
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: a good time to work him in, and you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: I'm just excited to get him back. Now that Henderson
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: has some juice and just to see if they can
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: kind of figure out how do how do we manage
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: these two guys, how can it work?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Well, what's the rotation that's going to be best for
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: this team?
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Because you know, I continue to believe that the Patriots
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: are really going to make a push here in December
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: into the playoffs. They need ramondros Stevenson and Henderson to
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: be playing well and to support drake Man.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And it would be nice to have a game where,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: like the running game is consistent. Yeah you know, I'm
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: talking about explosives. I'm talking about over four yards to carry, yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: And that's what's like kind of it's a little frustrating
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: because you see, you know, people on social media will
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: post like, you know, Trayvon Henderson's average running averages up
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: to this now, and it's like, well.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he had two humongous runs.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Like can we really you know, can we all acknowledge
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: like averages and that stuff, Like, yes, he had.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Some explosive plays, but there's.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Still a lot to be desired from this running game
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: and you know, finding that consistency.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: That being able to run when they know you want.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: To run, Yeah, I thought doubt you know they did
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that a little bit against the Jets, which was encouraging.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: You know, the end of the game situation where they
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: ran the ball on third and three and goal line,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you know, things like that. But you know, I keep
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: going back with Henderson and Stevenson to Montgomery and Gibbs
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: in Detroit, Like that's the I don't know if that
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: they are that both that good, yeah, but like that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the vision of like how to use both of them together.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Is that one is you know, you play about fifty
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: to fifty percent of the snaps and once kind of
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: year between the tackles guy and one's sort of your
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: home run hitter, and you mix and match it and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you go that direction, and you know, Detroit. I don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: think Detroit is at all disappointed that Montgomery plays a
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: little bit. Like he's a good player for them, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I you know, Gibbs is awesome. And I think Gibbs
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: not having the whole workload on his shoulders helps give
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: in the long run because I think he's fresh more often.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That's where I always end up in all this you
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: know debate, is Henderson overtaking it? He's the number one.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I'm like, guys like you need two guys and that's
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the ideal thing. It's you know, it's not in a
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: perfect world that Trayon Henderson is going to carry the
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: ball every single time for the rest of the season,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: like he's great, But I think the offense as a
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: hole and both of those players will be better, including
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Drake May if they find some balance and they what.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: If you have some packages where both of them are
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: they feel the same time you have like split them
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: out a pony or whatever. Yeah, the pony, why not?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, two tight ends sets, you have
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: two running back sets.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go sets very much back pony sets down down.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I just I and part of me is and this
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: is probably the wishy washy fan of like Hope, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: like there's part of me that's like, man, is c J.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Dupre gonna come in and be like a real legit
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: blocking tight end to help maybe unlock some of this
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: running game. I mean that might just be. It might
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: be as simple as someone wanted to sign him and
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: they didn't, and they promoted him and they wanted to
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: keep which I do think is a sign that this
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: place wants to save guys that they That.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Reminds me about what's the deal with Swinson?
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the same That was the same thing. That
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: was what Mike re kind of intimated. I don't know
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: if there's ever a firm of h Yeah, it seems
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: like to sign him.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Both him and did Pre were in the same boat
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that there was.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Somebody either had eva I mean, either one could have
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: been elevated, right they still Yeah, it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Sounded like it was fifty three man roster poaching going
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: on that bullet both those guys. I I don't really
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: see a path for Swinson to get playing time because
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: you have Landry and Chase on aren't going anywhere. Those
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: guys are going to play Ponders already trying to like
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: knock on the door and they can't really find him
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: snaps very consistently. They already don't play, and Ferny Jennings,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: they already don't really play Tavai on the edge. So
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: like Swinson's kind of like your sixth guy right now
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: at that position. Do Pre I think there's more of
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: a path, Yeah, because their tight ends have been in blocking.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It's been up and down for both Henry and Hooper.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Hooper's a little bit better, uh, you know, going into
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: draft season all that stuff, like getting like a really
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: good all around tight end to kind of replenish that position,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: but also just somebody that is a little bit of
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a better blocker as well. I mean that I think
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I think Drake May likes throwing the tight ends, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I think that the tight end is a huge, huge
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: part of how teams are drawing up schemes these days.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: So I would love to see the Patriots do that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, those kind of thoughts going through my head
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: just watching some of the Bengals are playing all three
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: tight ends.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playing a.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Team tight ends, but you know, guys like you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I know, obviously he's a hell of a player, but
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: somebody like Tyler Warren is like now becoming one of
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: the more valuable chess pieces because of how well he
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: blocks and how he can flex out and catch the
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: football too. And so everybody's going to tight end. They're
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: going big, uh, And if you have an inline tight
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: end that can block and catch passes from that spot,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: it's a really really like it might even be equal
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: to like having like a great outside receiver.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: At this point, the defense is, you know it, they're
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: so reactionary and cyclical in this league, you know, offense
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: makes an adjustment and then defense suggests you know, I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: talking about league wide. Yeah, and right now, like you said,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, teams are you know, starting to get
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: bigger on offense and trying to play a little bit
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: more bullyball, and defenses are having to adjust.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: It was a good point of conversation on NFL Live
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: yesterday with Orlowsky. They were going through some of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: contenders and saying what might their flaw be, and Orlosky
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: is point out that the Patriots play a ton of nickel,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: and his flawed for the Patriots was if a team
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: really commits to running the ball, And it goes back
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: to a little bit what Evan was saying, you know
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: yesterday that you know, that could be a flaw where
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: they're not they don't really have the heavy personne I
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: mean they're a huge nickel team.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: That was part of the research.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I mean their third and amount of nickel twenty eighth
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: and base twenty first in dimes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, so the third and nickel, but what is the gap?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Because most teams play majority of nickel these days, don't they? Yes, yeah, yeah, I.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Think that Seattle plays like the most I said this
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: on cash point two. I like Dan. I think I
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: respect his opinion a lot. I think it's the total
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: opposite of what he said.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what I realized I was saying, because
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you said on second time.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I would be so much more paranoid about a team
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that's throwing the ball on first and second down to
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the Patriots then running the ball. Right, If you want
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: to come in here in a playoff game in the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: wildcard round and try to beat the Patriots running the football,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I say, be my guest, because what you're going to
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: do two things. You're running into a strength of their
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: defense one and two you're going to keep the score down.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Right, So like you're telling me that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Drake Ma can win the playoff game scoring twenty four points,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Like I would take that all day, every day.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: So it just but that's the league right now. The
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: league is a.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: It's a game of chicken, Like can you stop the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: run well enough out of Nickel that you don't need
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: to put an extra linebacker on the field. And if
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: you do put an extra linebacker on the field, can
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: we throw out of twelve against your linebackers?
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Like that?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: That's the chess match, right now that's happening. Which is
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: why it's making the tight end so valuable. Is because
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: if you get teams into base, well now they're going
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: to throw against base, but you still need to put
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: the twelve personnel on the field to get them to
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: put base on the field. So like if you don't,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: if you can't run the ball against nickel and run
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: them out of nickel, then why would they put the
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: extra linebacker on the field. And to this point, at
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: least the Patriots, they're not a great nickel run defense,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: but they're good enough that they don't need to overreact
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: to putting the linebacker on the field. And I think
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: that that's the whole thing. Like if you get them
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: to blink and then now you have Taviay, Gibbons and
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Splaine all on the field because they can't stop the run,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: well now they're going to throw against you.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Speaking of trends, Barton Poland writes in on May and
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the lack of three hundred yard passing games. Passing numbers
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: are down across the entire league in recent years. It's
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: partly the way defenses play now, but also the kickoff
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: rule changes the average starting field position based jumped from
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: around the twenty to around the thirty in the last
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years. Naturally, it's much harder to reach
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: three hundred yards when offenses face consistent short fields. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: honestly don't even know if we'll have a forty five
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: hundred yard pass of this season in seventeen games, where
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: when there were seasons with sixteen games where multiple qbs
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: hit five thousand, and obviously we are often leading in
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, so we don't have to pass the ball.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So he's kind of justifying why Drake hasn't had any
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: three hundred yard passing games.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Played some good defenses too.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think you look at the records of
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: the team they played, that's pretty bad, but the quality
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: of the defenses he played have not been terrible.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Well. He brings up a good point though, I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: the average starting drive it's about the thirty, about the thirty.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: If that's like five more yards than it was before
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: the new kickoff rule, then do the math that's five
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: yards less, you know, eight nine yard you'll multiply that. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Mean Drake's on pace.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: He leased the league right now passing yards on pace
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: for about forty three hundred, so it's not to Bart's point,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: it's not. You know, you're not going to see a
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: five thousand yard passer in the league. But I think
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the kickoff thing, not to get on a whole tangent
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: about the kickoff thing, I think this is a problem
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: that the field is shortened because the offenses are too good.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: So like now you know they have to go like
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: twenty five yards and you're in field goal.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Right, because it's not only are the offenses better, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: the kickers are a lot better too. So like if
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: you're the Cowboys, you could start in field goal range
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: for Brandon Aubrey on a lot of these drives because
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: you're starting at like you're thirty five, you know, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: like you so, what do they need fifteen yards to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: put Aubrey in field goal range? Especially inside? So I
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: think that as much as I liked at the kickoffs
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: are back in the game and they're getting these returns,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: it is a little bit problematic in terms of like
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: there's a lot easier to go on a scoring drive,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: not necessarily a touchdown drive, but just to get into
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: field goal range at the end of the game or
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: in a two minute scenario, you need like two first
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: downs to be in field goal range, like the game
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: winning drive that Drake mayled in Buffalo. I think he
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: had two. There was two first downs, and it's like
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: it should be harder than that, right, Like it should
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: be a little bit harder.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Let's see what Michael in Texas has to say on
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the hotline. What's up, Michael, Hey, thanks.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: For taking my call. It So, I've got a bit
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: of a concern with the offensive play, and I'm really
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: just curious if it justified concern or if it's just pessimism.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: I did hear it brought up once before by Christian
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: in La, but maybe his insufferable nature led to more
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: animated responses from everybody and it was more of a
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: response to Christian himself than a concern. But it does
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: feel like throughout the game, the other team's scoring, then
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: they come in hot, they stay hot, and then I
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: don't want to say that they let off the gas,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: but maybe it is more of Maybe it was Evan
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: who coined it as them being cute and that lending
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: itself to them not just closing out a game, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: for example, the Jets game. I feel like that game
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: should have been closed out before it hit halftime, but
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: it wasn't because something was happening. Maybe they were getting cute.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Things just weren't clicking right.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: But do you guys feel that that's justified at all,
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: that they are getting hot at a point and then
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: throughout the game they're starting to kind of teeter off
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: and letting the other game come in or is it
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: more pessimism.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Thanks Mike.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot going on.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I think part of it is you've had one running
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: back really the last few weeks that you you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: it's kind of all on Drake, and it's also a
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: young team.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Like I just I think there's going to be some incase.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: But I think there were a few games where they
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: did take their foot off the gas. But I mean,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: teams have adjusted in the second half, and that's been
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: a kind of a mile concern.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: There's anecdotally, there's evidence of that. You know, the Atlanta game,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: they'd score three points after halftime. Now they lost Kishan
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Booty at halftime basically, and then they were down Stevenson
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: and Booty the rest of the way and that was
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: in game. Like it's one thing to practice all week
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: like that, it's another thing to lose your starting X
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: receiver in game and then have to recover from that
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: against a good defense in Atlanta. I just and maybe
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: this is just optimism to his pestimism, Like if they
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: have to keep scoring, I have confidence that they're going
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: to find a way to keep scoring. And like I
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: don't know if they have to keep scoring against the Jets,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Like I know we would all love to see them
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: blow doors on the against the Jets and score fifty.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: I get that, but like they didn't really need to,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: so like when they when if they have to, if
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: they get pushed and they have to score into the
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: thirties to win a game, like I still think that
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: they could do it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I it'd be interesting to see it, because what
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: we are seeing this year is like on these third
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and gotta have it plays. This is a different team
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: than we've the one we've seen the last three years,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: or like they're making deals plays those they're making those
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: big plays. So if pushed, if they had to rev
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: it up in the third and fourth quarter, yeah, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: could they do it. I think they've got what it
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: takes to do it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm watching for down the stretch and into
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. Is you know, Drake may and got to
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: have it back and forth late in the game. You know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: need a drive those You know, we've had a few
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: of those moments this year, but but not a lot really.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's been kind of like the Patriots have
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: been a couple of steps ahead and they've been able
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: to stay a couple of steps ahead, but they haven't
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: had that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Right you're down in the fourth quarter, here we go.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, then it goes back to what I said
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: going into the season, like, is Drake clutch? That's you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I mean for all the MVP and everything. I mean,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: he's had some clutch moments. But you know, we'll see.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: I think they're really gonna have to get the best
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: out of him against these best teams down the stretch.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Nick writes in from Ohio, and by the way, if
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: you need dry wall in Ohio, Fayette Drywall one of
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the area's longest lasting contractor since nineteen eighty four, celebrating
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: forty years. I can say that because they're not a
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: competitor in Ohio. Just give Nick a little shout out. Uh,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: he says, I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: also an Ohio native, and I'd say leadership is the
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: biggest issue in the Bengals room. Not to say they
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: can't remember the Titans themselves and pull it all together,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: but they have something similar happen as what happened with
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Diggs in the sake of the humility we have seen
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: come into our team from a fan perspective, not saying
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: someone needs to get injured. I don't even know what
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: he's talking about. Don't use this drywall the emails, like
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: the dry I thought he was. I thought he was
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: going somewhere, but he kind.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Of lost I see what he's saying.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: I thought he was a culture problem and they don't
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: really have leadership, and without I thought.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: It was a good leader.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that like I thought he was going
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: front office because I know that right now the Duke
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Tobin in their front office is taking a lot of
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: heat in Cincinnati for you know, the attrition of the roster.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I thought that when he said leadership that he meant
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: like organizational leadership, you know, like GM president level leadership.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's talking about with the roster,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Like I guess Chase spit on a guy so like
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: that's not great, but like, right, you know, in general, Kay,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know, Yeah, Teddy Kay is like the
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: vice president of the Players Association, So I think that
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: he's a I've got a pretty good head on his shoulders.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: But I think that they're GM. They have a president
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: and then they have ownership, and the president she's like
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: under fire a lot too about the roster and just
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: like about the state of the team.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Hope that they're not just saying, well, we got Earl,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Chase and Higgins like nothing else matters, you know. I mean,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I think that's what that team looks like to me,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: and as soon as you pull one or two of
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: those pieces out, it's pretty dreadful.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Jake and fort Rucker, Alabama. This is on the playoffs.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I was listening to yesterday's show just a bit ago,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and I was thinking on Paul's confidence in the Chiefs
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: making the playoffs. Originally I agreed, However, upon further review,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. At five and five, the Chiefs
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: will still have to play the Colts, Cowboys, Charges, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Broncos again. While I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: won all four of those games. I think they absolutely
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: must win at least two, possibly three, and that's just
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: no guarantee this year. I think the Bills are a
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: near lock. The remaining teams that charges Jags, Ravens, and Chiefs.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I think that of those teams, the Jags getting knocked
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: out makes sense, But my guess is only one of
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: the Ravens or Chiefs will make it. And think the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Ravens are more likely.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So I think the Ravens. The Ravens might win the division.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: So I think that could like send like a whole
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: kind of ripple effect into this as if the Ravens
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: come back and actually win the North and now the
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Steelers become a wild card team.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: And Mason Rudolph, Yeah, like that all kind.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Of gets cluttered, you know. With Kansas City. Yeah, I mean,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I think most of the metrics right now would say
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: that they're probably gonna miss the playoffs. But it's Patrick Mahomes,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Andy Reid so great.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: It's just a great challenge.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: I mean that the Colts are what they are this season,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: They're really earned a lot of the respect of around
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the league that you know that they deserve, and now
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: to have to go into Kansas City where you feel
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: like you've got a dea sprit Kansas City team playing
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: at home against the team that's kind of a dome team.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I just it's gonna be interesting to see what the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: result is.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Is this an indie team that can travel and knock
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: off a team that, like everybody feels the same way.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: They're like Jason boordees, like you got to kill him
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: till he's dead, and then you got to kill him again.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: That's how it's got to be, is Daniel Jones and
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: you know that running game. Ready to go in there
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: to arrowhead and do it.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Jordan and Tampa writes in follow up question on yesterday's
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: discussion on worst playoff opponents. My opinion, the worst opponent
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to face in the playoffs would be Buffalo. We've already
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: beat them in Buffalo. I have confidence that, given the
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: state of their team, will beat them at home as well.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: But I've heard it said many times that's so hard
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to beat a team three times in one year when
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: they are so familiar with each other. I would be
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: afraid that we beat them twice in the regular season,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: but they learn from the losses and get us in
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: So I agree with his premise. But if we assume
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: that the Patriots win the East and the Bills are
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: a wildcard, the Bills are going to be the five
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: seed most definitely. And so like we're talking about the
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: AFC Championship game, and like, if that's if that's what
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: it is like, you're going to play a great team
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: at that point, and it is what it is like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: you take your chances and see what happens. It'd be
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: very unlikely that they would draw the Bills in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: divisional or the wildcard round, just because the Bills are
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: probably going to be the top wildcard team.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I if they get to buy, the Patriots get to buy,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: and they're one game away from the AFC Championship.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know I've told you guys, but like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: my dream is to go to an AFC championship game.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I have never been to one. Like that to me
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: is you've never been to one? No, no, no, not
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: even a Super Bowl either. I know it's crazy, I know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: but I just think that's the ultimate football game. It's
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: a home crowd, it's a real football game. Super Bowl
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: is like an exhibition. I mean, you guys know more
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: than me. You've been to Super Bowl, at least on TV,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: it feels like.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: The weekends and sports. The Championship. You get those two home.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Games and the home crowd is into it and probably
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a weather game depending on where is.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: But I just to me, the chance to see this
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: team playing in an AFC Championship, that would be you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: deuce on cloud not. I would like to me just
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: whatever happens happens, but I would be really happy.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I agree with the email in terms of it. It would
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: be hard to beat Buffalo again. Yeah, me too, but
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know when they would really see Buffalo like
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: the way that it goes. But the two thousand AFC
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Championship Game twenty eight teen in Kansas City is the
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: best football game I've ever been to, and I don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: think it's going to be topped like Mahomes and Brady
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: in overtime of the AFC Championship Game. To go to
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl is also in that atmosphere or two
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: like that fan base is awesome game. I don't know
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: if that will ever be that post game my first
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: year on the Beat and came out and that was
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: my first year was covering that team.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: So there's also that my closest is the the AFC
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Divisional against San Diego in two.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Thousand and six.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: But there's nothing quite like the experience of going into
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: a hostile stadium in the playoffs a team that has
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl aspirations and ending their season in their home.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: I mean that that feeling, and I mean the Patriots
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: had it happened a couple of times here to them,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: but that was pretty cool.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I mean the celebration after that San Diego game, all
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the Patriots fans all came down. Everybody was just so excited.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it was the same thing there at Sports City.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: No, because there weren't, like Kansas City was not letting
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: any Patriots fans in the building. You know, you they
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: have like this like sea of red, and like when
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: you look out from the press box over the parking lot,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: it's like a college atmosphere where like it's just a
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: whole parking lot's tailgaters and like that that was literally
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: going That was rocky for Like, that was literally going
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: into the most hostile environment that you could possibly go into.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And you know, Brady winning that game was one of
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: his best.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, I mean, helmet off and it was
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: bitter cold too. Yeah, helmet off, jumping in people's arms
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: and the mccordy twins hugging each other, you know, in
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Devin telling Jason, this is why you came to do this,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: David Andrews way, goodbye to the crowd.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Brady masterclass. Yeah, good'd down.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I mean so many plays, talk about got to have
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: it plays and then you know, thank you Kansas City
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: for jumping off sides.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: That's probably the stress for a video. Like the greatest
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: third downs of the Dynasty. Just third downs. I mean
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: that Edelman probably have four or five of them.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: They just kept they kept on playing middle of the field,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: They kept on playing two high safeties, and Edelman just
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: kept running crossers right into the middle of the field
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: and they just didn't cover them. And then the one
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: time that they did, they threw the backside slant to
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Gronk and they're like they just had all the answers,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: like third down. They just completely out fox the Chiefs
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in that game.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: I love hearing what Brady said about that game too,
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: just saying I knew what they were going to do
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: before they did it, like I studied them so much,
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Like I just I knew exactly what they were doing everything, yep.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And they got spags and then they won three Super Bowls.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Willem and philam, what's up? William's? All right?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Were you doing?
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: All right? Just two questions? So I know about the
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: robbery jerseys, which those those new ones which it looks
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: they look so sick. Anyway, do you see the picture
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: is getting some new like a new home jersey for
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: next season, you know, something something different, I mean from
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: the blue ones that they have already. And also what
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: you having with the draft coming up? Basically, what do
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: you think the pictures would do with the first round pick?
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: You know what? You think they should charge it down
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: and Ye'll have a good day, Okay.
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: All right?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Well two questions there. One is new uniform in the works,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: and what would they do with the pick that they'll have,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: probably hopefully low.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: In the thirty two? I think is where the super
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Bowl champ? There you go, ed Rusher?
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that will be at the top
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: of the list.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: You know, I think they I think best player available
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: that's not a quarterback.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: They're gonna need some things to fill in, you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: depth wise and other spots. But I think the cool
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: part about this draft, to Fred's point, is like you
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: kind of already have the foundation, so now you're kind
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: of just adding like on top of it. This is
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: where we used to be, right, and so now you
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: can really you know, the Lions had that draft where
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: they go Gibbs Campbell, Brian branch Laporta, and after the
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: draft everybody made fun of them because they picked non
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: premium positions with all their picks, but they picked the
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: best players available and it ended up all of them
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: ended up being good. So I think there's an element
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: to that that you can kind of just whatever falls
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: to you and you pick that guy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm excited about next year. And not to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: get ahead of ourselves, but like this.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Isn't the team yet, you know, and everybody's pretty much
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: coming back. There are honeywise either Yeah, I mean there's
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: you know, there are some holes to film and you
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: got to figure out you know, it's Chason going to
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: come come back, Tonga, you know, Jalen Hawkins starting safety.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: So I mean there could be some starting holes, but
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: generally you're bringing back just about everybody in the core
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: and you just can build from there and you don't
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: have to be totally, you know, held to the needs.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: And when you're held to those needs, like you end
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: up reaching on guys that maybe you shouldn't where it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: like to your point, Fred, it's like, yeah, we kind
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: of need this position, but we know that this guy
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: is going to be a superstar.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And it's not a top the list, but let's just
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: take this.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just put out a edge rusher because it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: a good it's a good class. There's gonna be like
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: five or six of them that go early, and you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: people are really high on the.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Class place and start.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: It looks like they'll have cash to spend too, so
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it doesn't all have to come from the draft. If
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: you know you can get an immediate impact guy on
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a rusher, do it that way.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that that's probably what will happen,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: is like you won't have the spending spree like they
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: did this last offseason, but you might have like one splash,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: you know, whether it's a free agent or a trade
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: or something like that where they go out and try
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: to add again, like just that extra piece to put
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: you over the top, whether it's you know, another receiver
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: or it's an edge rusher or whatever. The case may be,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: but they're gonna need you know, pass rush, They're gonna
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: need you know, offensive line still, you know, right tackle Morgan.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: This is not a spring chicken.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: How do they sort out the interior with Wilson and
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: brad Bury? Bradbury, do you bring him back?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Do you kick Wilson to center? Then you need a
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: left guard. What's on win?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Who's future? Yep, So there's still.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: There's going to be a really really interesting off season.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Tight end Seana Vancouver.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I predict that Drake May will have his first NFL
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: game with over three hundred yards passing. That's not based
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: in my gut or a feeling. It's more this trend
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: of thought. Drake may leaves the NFL in passing yards.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: The Bengals, how the worst defense in the history of
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the NFL. When push comes to shove, it's a big
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: game for the Patriots.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Offense, it should line up that way.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: They could also have two hundred yards rushing.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: That to me would be what would prevent Drake from
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: doing it is that they get the lead and then
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: it's reminder Stevenson, Trevion Henderson time to just do what
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: they've kind of done, you know, bleed the clock out
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: and you know, get out of Dodge with a win,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: you get into December November.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I think those things are you know, you gotta protect
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: yourselves a little bit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's there's a piece of me that
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: things the Patriots could you know, really blow doors in
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Cincinnati because of the state of the Bengals, Like Chase
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: is suspended, He's beIN on a guy that's not great,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: like just in general for the whole vibe, right, Joe
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Burrow's not playing, Trey Hendrickson's not playing. But at the
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: same time, like it's been a little bit of a
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: grind here for the Patriots and they still don't know
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: there's still two weeks away from their bye. I do
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: think that there's an element of, you know, are they
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: fully operational right now to really like blow a team out?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: You know, it might be one of those like ho hum.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great observation, Evan.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: It's what like kind of concerns me small seat concern
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: of just you know, managing getting to the buy and
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: then and look, we're all kind of scarred from how
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: things went downhill after the bye going back. I mean
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: a significant amount of years. But what is the team
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: like post by with Rabel, What does that look like?
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Do they come out and really look like they're starting
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: to peek because I don't. I don't really think this
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: team is is peak yet. I don't think we've seen
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: their best with Drake and Ramandre and Keisham Bouti and
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: Austin Hooper and all those different pieces.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: So I still see where they can get to.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: But I just I really wonder how they're going to
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: manage these next few weeks with another primetime night game,
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: a bye week, and then some really tough matchups right
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: out of the buy.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, is like you you have Buffalo
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Baltimore back to back right out of the by, be
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: ready to go?
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: So these games, like I'm not saying you don't put
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: it all in, you know, to these games, but are
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: you really going, you know, is this more like let's
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: just take care of business and get the heck out
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: of Cincinnati, or is this like let's beat up on
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: the Bangles, you know.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Mark and fall River. He says yesterday, I felt there
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: was a certain amount of disrespect being handed to Stefan
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Diggs when the discussion came up about Drake ma and
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: his performance. You harped on how little talent he has
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: around him. I don't know about that, but there wasn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: even a cursory mention of Diggs and the impact he's had.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's a top five wide receiver, which
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: is specifically what you mentioned, but he has a huge
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: impact on this team and still playing at a high level.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I just want to make sure he gets mentioned because
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, he's been a main part of the
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: offensive turnaround. Good point.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: No, that's a good point.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: And I absolutely I got asked that last time on
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: the radio, who's your offensive MVP after Drake May and
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: I said Stefan Diggs and he mentioned he's.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Been solid all year.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I mean come back player of the yards already.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think think he's around seven hundred, yes, but
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: he's on pace for about over one thousand, you know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: ninety catches thousand yards. You know, really strong candidate for
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: comeback Player of the Year in the league, you know,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: coming back from the ACL and having this year, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: there's a real chance to the Patriots could have all,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: you know, coach of the Year, Assistant coach of the
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: year m VP Comeback Player of the Year, like they
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: could have some some awards. You know, in this offseason.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: You don't get to be an MVP candidate if your
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: team around you really sucks. I mean, the Patriots might
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: not have Jamar Chase, but still Stefan diak is a
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: very good player, and I mean the cupboard is not
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: bear right now.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: There are solid players.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: I think the point though, generally is just May is
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: elevating everybody. But they wouldn't be where they are right
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: now without Stefan Digs. It's a good shout.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Out Chris with a T I A N rights in
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: will this final stretch of games tell you more about
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: this team than the first eleven games. While the three
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: game road wins streak and winning in Miami, Tampa and
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Buffalo are the marquee wins, I think wins against the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Ravens potentially sweeping the Bills will tell us a lot
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: about how far they'll go in January.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely that is a good point.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: But I'm kind of not saying that the rest of
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: the season. Regular season doesn't matter. But until we get
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: to the playoffs, like, you're not really going to find
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: out what this team is really made of. And I
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: just go back to twenty one, where they had a
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: good regular season and it looked like the arrow was
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: pointing up and then they got absolutely destroyed in Buffalo.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: And I remember Belichick coming on the next day and
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: being like, is that who we are or do we
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: just have a bad night?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Well, and I doubt that that's who they were.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I'll say this about twenty one. Some of
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: us who are paying attention, we saw it coming the
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: second half of the season.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Was from the Indian game.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Oh everybody, Yeah, I mean everybody saw that, But like
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: you still came out of that season.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Until the Buffalo game.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I think you could have still said, well, yeah, if
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: you keep building on this, then like you're going someplace here.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: And they got their doors blowing off in Buffalo, and
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: now I think was a real like kind of friction
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: point of like, okay, maybe they the second half of
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: the year really was what they were and then Buffalo
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: was really what they were. And I think that that
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: that's when that kind of gets decided. Like if they
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: go this Patriots team stumbles a little bit down the
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: stretch but then wins a playoff game, then you're not
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: thinking about twenty You know, but I.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Think this stretch is important. It is important. No, I
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: think that you're not going to have Milton Williams. It's
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: been a grind. You haven't had a buy, so it's tough.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Even though you had this little mini buy. You're a
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: little banged up right now. So it's going to tell
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: you a lot about this team.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: I kind of think about the comparison between the two
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: thousand and nine team and how they went out.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: Beat pretty thoroughly here by Joe Flacco and the Ravens.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think they were in like you know
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: now it's in the sound Battle twenty one points down,
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: like how could they come.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Back from that?
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: But you know that that team was, you know, been reconstituted.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: It had a rookie quarterback, but they couldn't do anything.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: And so you know, it's like the oh. Nine team
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: felt like it needed just a couple of tweaks.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's understating it a little bit, but you know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: you got Gronka mccordy the next year and you really
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: started to rebuild. But to me, after that Oh one game,
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: it was like I don't know where to go, Like
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: they just spent everything on free agency.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I think Max is going to be kind of limited,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and you know, you were.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Kind of crossing your fingers and then the offensive coordinator
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: stuff happened.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's hard with this this team
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: right now because they already had nine wins, and let's
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: face it, they have four very very winnable games. So like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: even if they lose to Buffalo and Baltimore, they're still
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: going to be twelve or thirteen wins because they have
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: this Bengals game, they have the Giants, they have the Dolphins,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: and they.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Have the Jets. That's at least three.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, the Dolphins are a little frisky,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: we'll see, but like that, that's Dolphins hair late in
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: the season, right, And so like you could lose to
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Buffalo and Baltimore and you're still going to win the division.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: You're still going to have a high seed. In that way,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: you could still go four and two, right, and you
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: can still be thirteen win team, right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: But I'd rather go four and two and have one
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: of the losses not be Buffalo or Ravens. I'd rather
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: lose to the Jets in Miami than lose to those guys.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess it depends on, you know, how meaningful
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: the those Jets and Dolphins games are.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I understand, I understand, But in terms of like knowing
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: who we are, I wouldn't want to go four and
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: two and have our two losses against the two best teams.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fair. It's a good question for Paul.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: I feel like, of which of those four teams that
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: right now seem very winnable down the stretch, which ones
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: are those concerning?
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I mean said Miami, Well, they're just playing a little
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: bit better. Yeah, I think they on three out of four.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: And but Miami coming up here in late December, early
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: January and the freezing cold with really and probably still
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: nothing to play for. Like maybe they're like in play
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: for the seven seed, but I doubt it.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: And I mean, and again that goes back to like,
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: you know, the twenty nineteen Patriots that were kind of
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: flawed and did had a similar situation in the Miami
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: with the Miami team, you know, came up here and
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: with with Ryan Fitzpatrick, and you know, they lose to
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: the you know, lose playoff seeding because of that, you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: and that just goes back to me of what kind
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: of tone are we gonna set in the Mic Verbel
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: era of how we finished games, how we how we
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: finished seasons, how we come out of the by and
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: go into a really big game with playoff implications.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: You know, what does that look like?
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: James has a simple question. He says, no matter what
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: happens in the remainder of the season in playoffs, is
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: this season of success?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna say pretty much.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, they look it could go sideways and terrible
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: things could happen, and you know, they could lose every
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: game on here like so it's not right locked in stone,
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: but like.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be the playoffs.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I think, aside from the worst, like you said, you
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: lose every game from here on in and it goes sideways,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I think it is a success because we went into
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the season saying, if we see improvement and we see
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: that Drake May is the guy, then that's what you're
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: looking for. Well that's what we've got. So I think
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: it is a success. Barring something crazy like that where
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: you lost, we lose the last six games, everything's a mess.
• 57:30
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  Speaker 2: I'm what do you need that? What do you need
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  Speaker 4: I think that like winning a playoff game you just won,
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  Speaker 3: But like you said, you move the goal post, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And then I would hit my over my season expectation
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  Speaker 5: Right, But it still pains me with it all ahead
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  Speaker 3: Want more, and then you want more. And the good
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  Speaker 2: They mean, I fully admit I'm moving the goal post.
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  Speaker 4: But now that we're like if they are nine to
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  Speaker 2: You'd be disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: As Brady said, you know, we didn't come this far
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  Speaker 3: I know everybody around here, says the pig.
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  Speaker 18: You know, the Celtics love to make it hard on themselves,
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  Speaker 18: and you know they're doing it again, and they're blowing
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  Speaker 18: opportunity with like nothing to do with the other team,
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  Speaker 18: like forcing eighteen turnovers.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Celtics. That's what I was trying to tell
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  Speaker 3: you all these years with the Patriots when you would
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  Speaker 3: say the other team's take, and I say, well, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots had something to do with it, but now
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  Speaker 3: because not, now you have that take. Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm glad you've come around.
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  Speaker 18: Wait a minute, and I agree with your take on
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  Speaker 18: the Patriots, and I always have in games you and
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  Speaker 18: Andy and playoff sucks the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're making two different arguments.
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  Speaker 18: The league does what happens at The league does suck
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  Speaker 18: by and large and teams give games away. But you
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  Speaker 18: can't tell me they won six Super Bowls because the
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  Speaker 18: other team sucked.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's stupid. That's what you guys used to say.
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  Speaker 18: Never once that I asked a little super Bowl the
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  Speaker 18: other team sucked.
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  Speaker 3: I would I would give credit to the other team
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  Speaker 3: and the Patriots having beaten that team. You would take
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  Speaker 3: away from the Patriots by diminishing the other team.
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  Speaker 18: I would take away again, it again and again when
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  Speaker 18: when they get dominated by like the Cleveland Browns and
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  Speaker 18: lose because Cleveland gives the ball away seventeen times.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's different, right, because my Patriots had nothing to
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  Speaker 3: do with.
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  Speaker 18: But you don't beat the like the Steelers and the
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  Speaker 18: Colts and the Rams all because the other seem sucks.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry theyah, the team doesn't suck. No, but they say,
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  Speaker 3: teams come to me. That's what they just pooped themselves.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know what to do that Celtics.
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  Speaker 18: It's all about the Celtics sucking, not the Golden State
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  Speaker 18: doing anything.
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  Speaker 3: That I agree with. And I also agree with the
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  Speaker 3: other way too.
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  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. It's good to
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  Speaker 3: be having those arguments again. Why are the Patriots winning?
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  Speaker 3: Is it because they're good or the other team's stink?
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  Speaker 3: And uh, you know that gets to the whole easy
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  Speaker 3: schedule thing and I was just thinking to myself, if
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  Speaker 3: you're a bad team, there is no such thing as
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  Speaker 3: an easy schedule. If you have an easy schedule, it's
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  Speaker 3: because you're good.
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  Speaker 2: You're beating the other team right right.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, like if the Patriots were they had it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, if the Patriots were the where they
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  Speaker 3: were last year, they'd beat four a four to win
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  Speaker 3: team regardless of the schedule. But now they're good, so
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  Speaker 3: they're turning this easy schedule into nine and two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you don't do that unless you're a good team.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we knew what the schedule was coming into
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  Speaker 5: the season, and we knew, you know, what kind of
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  Speaker 5: team this was. I mean, the conversations we had and
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  Speaker 5: you know, Paul leading the charge with they're probably gonna
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  Speaker 5: go fifty to fifty. You know, that's where this team
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  Speaker 5: is out there rebuilding. They're not going to win all
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  Speaker 5: of these games against the bad teams. But they have
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  Speaker 5: won all the bad teams, and now all of the
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  Speaker 5: goalposts move and you're like, well, they haven't beaten anybody,
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  Speaker 5: you know. I mean, and again they play take the
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  Speaker 5: defenses and every NFL team is good, like every you know,
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  Speaker 5: every you go around It's like I said yesterday, you
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  Speaker 5: go around the league, all these teams that the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: have beaten have beaten other teams. It's not like every
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  Speaker 5: team they play haven't won a single game. You know,
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  Speaker 5: some are better than others. But again, like they're in
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  Speaker 5: relegation right now, like you got to get out of
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  Speaker 5: the fourth place schedule, like I get it. None of
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  Speaker 5: us like watching like, oh great, we gotta go play
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  Speaker 5: the Bengals this week, Like we much rather have a
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  Speaker 5: game with some juice to it.
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  Speaker 2: But the schedule, you don't make it.
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  Speaker 3: It's already I'll be perfectly happy beating up.
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  Speaker 5: Those are special for you, Fred, you know at that scenario,
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  Speaker 5: all right, two and oh again then in the last
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  Speaker 19: How's it going? Guys? Listen, I'm calling in to Usk.
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  Speaker 19: Do you guys think that there the Patriots are getting
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  Speaker 19: enough respect with a seven and a half points.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna have to put you on hold and
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  Speaker 6: How are you j suspended? What you've seen?
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  Speaker 11: Some teeth Higgins and the rest of me.
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  Speaker 20: Again, talent, plenty of talent, it's just the opportunities probably
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  Speaker 20: haven't been there. But when they've been given the opportunity
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  Speaker 20: and they've gone to them, you know, whether that's Yoshi Vas,
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  Speaker 20: that's Tinsley down the field obviously t deep threat, you know,
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  Speaker 20: took a slant to the house against Pittsburgh, tight window,
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  Speaker 20: you know, split the safeties, you know. So I don't
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  Speaker 20: think that they lacking talent. I think it's just been opportunity.
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  Speaker 20: So again we'll have to do a you know, a
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  Speaker 20: great job, you know, trying to defend them, whether that
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  Speaker 20: be Brown or Higgins or anybody else.
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  Speaker 6: It's just a big challenge offensively.
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  Speaker 10: Like a question from caring for Uh cool, I'm good, Thanks,
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  Speaker 10: Forssing since you became a head coach, how if it all,
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  Speaker 10: have you changed how you manage your individual relationships with
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  Speaker 20: I mean, again, I'm my jobs have a you know,
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  Speaker 20: and staff included. Some of those relationships are stronger than others.
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  Speaker 20: That's kind of the nature of this. But you know,
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  Speaker 20: I think for me, it's just been having something in
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  Speaker 20: phase that will at least allow me to have a
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  Speaker 20: conversation about the game plan, about their job or technique,
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  Speaker 20: which is the best way, you know, to be able
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  Speaker 3: You you needed, wanted gotten when you were player, and something.
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  Speaker 6: You felt like it was important to you.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 20: I don't know if it was that needed. I mean,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 20: it was just kind of different. I think it was
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 20: just different. And I haven't coached anybody any differently from
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 20: the from the three years that I spent at Ohio
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 20: State going to Houston. They were maybe a year or
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 20: two older, and back then they made more money. Now
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 20: they're just a year or two older, and some of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 20: them make about the same amount of money, So I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 20: appreciate where they all come from. I appreciate their backgrounds.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 20: You can see the type of people they are by
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 20: when you meet their families. I think that's something that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 20: you know, really shows and the pride that they have.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 20: And you know how you know, we we do this
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 20: to provide for our family, so you know, outside of winning, well,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 20: that's what's let's be honest, like, that's that's why we
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 20: do this. So I enjoy meeting their families, and I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 20: enjoy meeting the people that they care about. And we
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 20: always said things that are important of them should be
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 20: important to us.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 10: As a player, you were known sort of as an enforcer,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 10: and I know accountability is super important to you now.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: So as a coach, you.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: Know, how have you evolved in creating accountability?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 20: And I think my job, I've said this is to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 20: try to protect the team and stay consistent and try
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 20: to hold the best players the most accountable. That way,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 20: it sets a clear message to everybody, you know, throughout
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 20: not you know, if the quarterback makes a mistake, of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 20: Drake makes a mistake, doesn't really do me any good
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 20: to sit there and coach up Tommy you de veto
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 20: just go right to the source. And I think the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 20: players appreciate the consistency, like.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: The stability of the offensive line in their performance.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: This season seems like it's like to a while team's success.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 20: Can you talk about what that group and the coaching
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 20: staff and Dog maroone has.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Meant to his success?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: Well, Dog, I mean that's a good group in there,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Doug Doug's.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 20: In charge, but but Jason otanling Hass and you know
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 20: Kug's I think we're lucky. I think those guys really
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 20: do a good job. Like I said when I talked
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 20: about the staff, they can all take a group and
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 20: coach them and pre practice individual.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: Uh so you see a lot of that is.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 20: You know, split up, and guys are getting work and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 20: reps and so there's a lot of confidence there.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: I think the players are building some confidence.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 20: I think that, you know, the more that we get
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 20: into this thing and they understand kind of the design
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 20: of the play and kind of how Drake's gonna operate,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 20: whether that's you know, trying to climb the pocket or
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 20: you know, the extension and everything else, I think it all,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 20: you know, goes hand in hand I think they communicate well,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 20: and you know, the more that we've been able to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 20: be out there as a unit has led to you know,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 20: some good results.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: And possibly during the return you've had Trayyon kind of be.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 21: That named back in the last few games.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Do you have a is there a plan kind of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: to have a better balance between.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 22: The two of them when they're both ready to play
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 22: or when Rmandre is helping.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 20: I think we'll probably have to have that conversation, you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 20: when it's you know certain that we're going to have
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 20: Romandre's going to work through practice today and you know,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 20: we'll see where things go. So Travion's helped us, or
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 20: Andre has helped us, Trell's helped us, you know, disappointed
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 20: at dearness kind of, you know, have a couple more carries,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 20: We gained some good yards on a whatever they thought
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 20: was a holding penalty and go from there. So we'll
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 20: try to have them all help us. But it's been
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 20: good to see Travion continue to to run hard and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 20: take care the football and everything else.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: Like what's been your impression of Joe Flacco and just
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: the way that bangled offense?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 20: Good playing, uh, efficient on time, a lot of again,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 20: you're not gonna trick him. You're not gonna trick him.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 20: You're gonna have to cover him, beat him.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: You know, rush on.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 20: The ball comes out quick, you know, doesn't seem to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 20: get rattled very easily. It's not something that's gonna happen.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 20: You know, arm strength and accuracy has been great. You know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 20: he kind of knows what he wants to do and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 20: where he wants to go with the ball.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: It's a lot of command.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: Like he's also someone you saw as a player. I
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: don't know, I know all those memories are great, but
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 10: what do you remember about a young Joe Blacket on
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 10: the other sideline?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 20: I mean about the same, I mean, big, talented, strong,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 20: probably ran a little bit more.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 20: Just the longevity, A lot of respect for him as
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 20: a as a person and as a player.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 10: Will give a chance to receive them how to practice theoretically.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 10: But I talked about remondering his situation, Keishawan and Christian
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 10: as well.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: As any pigs.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 20: Yeah, they'll all work today and we'll see, you know,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 20: how they respond after today and kind of keep moving
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 20: from there. But no real update. They haven't done anything
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 20: that you know, we've pushed through other than that. So
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 20: hopefully they're out there and they will be and ready
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 20: to go, and then we'll see where they where they go.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Decision to CG to the off the cross room less
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: similar to the situation you kind of talked about earlier
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: this week.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 21: Bread and where it's someone you put time in with
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 21: and want.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: To continue working with.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 20: Yeah, there's a lot of things that go involved with that,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 20: and you know, certainly those two players were ones that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 20: kept showing up as the you know, show team players
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 20: or whether it's on special teams or offense or defense,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 20: and so.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: There's you know, it's just.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 20: Kind of what happens when you get to this part
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 20: in the season, and you know, we'll see if those
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 20: guys can can help us. And we ask everybody to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 20: prepare as a starter when they come in here. And
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 20: I don't think anything should change or will change for
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 20: those guys like you.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Haven't been that the quarterback of the treat concept impacted
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: back weeks all much It is from.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: You know, having yours taught to you, running to play, simulating,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: doing to practice versus just.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: The players out there with high awareness.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: I disciplined you to the game. Well, we're not gonna
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: be able to show them everything. We have a lot of.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 20: Again, admiration, respect, gratitude for the players that give us
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 20: those looks throughout the week. I think they take great
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 20: pride in that we ask them to try to you know,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 20: they're being evaluated and they're you know, we're trying to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 20: put it in the best as we can in our
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 20: language and letting them play football and letting them compete
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 20: and you know, try to stay up and take care
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 20: of each other. We don't want anything that's out of control.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 20: But I think improvement has been made by players on
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 20: those units. They give us a fantastic look and all
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 20: you know, first second, third down, We get to the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 20: red zone late in the week, so again that starts there.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 20: And then we're not going to be able to show
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 20: them every single play that they're going to see in
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 20: the game. That's that's impossible. Where nobody's that good. There's
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 20: things that will show them you know, that they'll be
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 20: able to recall. But then it comes down today eleven
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 20: guys out there, if there's an unscouted look or there's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 20: a scout you know, I mean, there's a play that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 20: you know comes up that they haven't seen or they
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 20: haven't run this year that you know, you kind of
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 20: use your tools and use you know, kind of your
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 20: rules for the play and what your responsibility is to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 20: to go and defend it.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Drake said on the radio the other day that one
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: of the concepts he's been focused on here is remaining
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: a passer as long as possible.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 23: Everyone needs to taking off.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 14: How much progress have you seen with that particular skill
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 14: or development for him.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean I think that that's something that was
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 20: you know, talked about in the off season that we
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 20: wanted to try to allow him to do and let
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 20: him work on it. And you know, example on the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 20: sidelines there with Digs the other night, is maintaining a
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 20: passer as long as he can still threaten the edge
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 20: and then if people come out of coverage, being able
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 20: to you know, make good decisions and great decisions with
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 20: the football and it leads to you know, fifteen extra yards.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 20: He wasn't gonna run for fifteen yards. So again, those
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 20: are things that really can put stress on the defense
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 20: when you do them positively and you're not making bad decisions.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: He's the treats been so accurate this year.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: What kind of work have you seen him put in
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: to refine or improve that part of playing the position.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Of how much of that just might be an.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 20: Eight I think probably a little bit of both. I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 20: think that Josh and Ashton and have tried to work
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 20: hard on that. I also think Drake is talented. And
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 20: again it's like a pitcher, And I mean, I don't
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 20: know if there was a pitching coach that was really
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 20: taught Greg Maddox how to paint the plate and put
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 20: the ball wherever he wanted to.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: So I think there's some some natural skill there.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 20: But then I think that they work on those things,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 20: and they work on platform and throwing off of different
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 20: places and still remaining accurate and climbing the pocket and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 20: working with a base and all those things, and then
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 20: you know there's other times where it's just natural athletic
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 20: ability and hand eye coordination and putting the ball in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 20: good spots.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you, are you running all right? That was Mike
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Vrabel and Paul would have been proud, Big Baseball reference
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Greg Maddox painting the outside of the plate.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: We go, yeah, it's good stuff.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: You proud of them. And we pulled that one out
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: of so anything notable, you know.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: At the end, I liked just I got to ask
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: this question last night. It really made me think, and
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: maybe I'm curious what you think, Fred was. You know,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: when did you realize this year that Drake was taking
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: like a big leap, you know? And I said, well,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: the first thing for me was in the spring, he
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: just looked comfortable and that was you know, but it's
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: Ota is mini camp.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: There's nothing really going on competitively.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: And I said, I didn't even know in the training camp,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: like you know, we watched all those training camp practices.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: I was in the you know, the joint practice up
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: in Minnesota, and it really to me felt like like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: the win streak when it started, he just started to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: string these games together. And it wasn't anything we saw
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: this summer that made me say, oh, yeah, there here
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: This is what it was like.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: He has flashes throughout training camp, but never like this,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: And you know, he didn't have a lot of play
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: in preseason, like you said, it wasn't until the winning
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: streak started that you said, whoa, he's This isn't just
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: one game, but I mean he's doing it again and
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: again and again. This is who he is. You know.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Raiders game, first game, you didn't see it.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Then No, No, a little bit in Miami.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: I mean Buffalo obviously that was a huge win, and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: you know that that throw that's still making the rounds
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: to Stefan Diggs.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: But no, it really was a regular season thing to me,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: which is just.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely you know it was anyone, that's all I saw it.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: I saw it in mini camp, but no, there's nothing
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: that would have told you this.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: No, it still felt like you were gonna, you know,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: be feeling it out a little bit. I mean, it's
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: it's hard to make comparisons because I think even you know,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams a little bit, you're seeing that too, like
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: he's had some great plays, but you're still seeing a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: second year quarterback figure it out. And there's you know,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: some episom flows to it. But I just I continue
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: to be amazed by you know, you watch guys all summer,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: you watch training camp, you have an impression of what
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: kind of team is this, and then you get into
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: the regular season and you know, just blows your mind
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: that this guy all of a sudden is playing at
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: this crazy level.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: And believe it or not, Like I think this offense
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: has a lot of room for improvement because forget about
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: the running game. That's that's its own thing. But it's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: in terms of Drake in the passing game. A lot
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: of his best plays are off platform. A lot of
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: his best plays are when he's had to extend or
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: move around in the pocket because the first option wasn't there.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, obviously, we all want to get
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: to that point where that first option is there, like
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: you know, the play is run as it was drawn up.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: And when you get to that point and the other
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: plays are are less frequent, that's when you're going to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: see this offense really start to be a well oiled machine.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: We're not there yet, belieh or not. Now.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: That's and that goes to the question I think.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: I think Megan Odolini asked about, you know, just just
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Drake's ability to stay a passer, and I think that's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: where for me, some of the ebbs.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: And flows of his season have been.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: You've seen at times and contain pockets that you will
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: see him get a little rushed and maybe quicker to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: get out of the pocket. But I thought last week
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: the protection was better. He got comfortable in the pocket.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: You didn't see him trying to run. He was staying
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: in there even when there was some pressure.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: And still delivering throws.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: So I totally agree with your point if he can
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: continue to stay at that point, and granted it's probably
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: depending a lot on the protection, but they've been better too,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: So yeah.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: It's Randy's been on hold. I hope he's still there.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: What's up, Randy? Hey, Hey, thanks for holding on listening
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: to Rabel.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 19: I don't know if I'm gonna be bumped for anybody,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 19: I might as well be the car, right, Yeah, So yeah,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 19: I just I had wanted to call it that. Ask
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 19: you guys if you feel like the Pats are getting
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 19: enough respect with the spread this week.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: At your department?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 19: Seven point five?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: So what they're they're favored by seven and a half.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 19: Yeah, and this is against a team that's losing by
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 19: ten and a half on average.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Well you get three, so that's kind of it is
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: ten and a half sort of.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I wish Paul is here, No, I hear it just seven,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: So seven and a half.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: This is eight.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: Now I don't we'll go by DraftKings. But yeah, I
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: mean that, and.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 19: I mean, now put some numbers to it. This is
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 19: a historically bad defense, right, the nine straight games they've
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 19: given up at at least twenty seven points, and their
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 19: defensive DVOA if you're into that sort of thing, is
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 19: negative twenty nine, which is thirty second in the league.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 19: But it's also the worst since the inception of the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 19: DVOA in nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, so's the worst defense
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 19: by that measurement in almost fifty years.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean maybe, I mean, I don't know a
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: lot about gambling, but I think part of it is
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: your team still getting a feel for what this Patriots
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: team is, and do they going against the terrible defense
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: blow doors on them, because I mean I think, I mean,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: the Jets were the Jets last week, but like I said,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: they've had some some good defenses that it almost scares
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: me a little bit, like going into a gamer and like,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: all right, they better just blow the you know, hanging
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: thirty forty points on this team.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: So, Randy, when's the last time you checked the spread?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Was that just today?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 19: This morning?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: It was okay? Yeah, because I wonder if Jamar Chase,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: you know, that final ruling changed anything last night, but
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: you said it's gone up to eight.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was according to eight and a half Patriots
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: now it's eight and a half.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: It's moving, so it's moving up a little. Randy, you
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: know that some of that could be trying to get
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: some Cincinnati money in. But I you know, I'm eight
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: and a half. That's a pretty big spread in today's NFL.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: But I hear what you're saying. You know, the Patriots
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: should be able to put up points, but aside from
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: last week, Cincinnati's been able to put up points too, right,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: So it's not like they true and they're at home.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: So I think seven and a half eight points is
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: probably right. It's probably right.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 19: And so by the way, tagging on to what you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 19: guys were saying about people knowing with May, didn't you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 19: feel like it was kind of almost the opposite like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 19: early in training camp, but you remember the four interception
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 19: practice that started things off, and it just kind of
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 19: felt like people were almost waiting for that again as
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 19: opposed to expecting some big leaps Like I don't feel
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 19: I feel like you guys are one hundred percent right,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 19: like nobody saw this sort of leap coming.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Nope, thanks for Andy.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: Now I gotta get sell my notes on that four
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: interception of practice and remember that one exactly.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: But no, but I get the point.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was you know, and even I mean
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: i'd point more towards Minnesota, where you know, there were
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: some big plays down the field.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: I mean mac Hollins, you know, had a big play
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: down the field, and.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: So you did see some of that, but you just
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: don't know how it's in the trans and people.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure there's people out there saying I
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: knew he was gonna make this big leap. Okay, maybe
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: you did, but you didn't know that based off empirical evidence.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: You were you had faith, you had hope it was
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: a big wish. Because the objective talk coming out of
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: last year into this year is who is Drake May
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Is he this turnover guy? Is he a guy who's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: going to turn it over? Or is he this amazing
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: athlete who's who's doing what we see him do? Now,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: no one knew for sure either way. There was just
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: no evidence to show you either way. Now we're getting
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: a string of games that game in and game out,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: he's doing the same thing, and so we can confidently say, yeah,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: this guy, this is the guy.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah looking back at you know, I right, little just
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: shot down some notes after.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: A tuning camp practice, and I mean.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: Just you know, kind of backs up what we're saying, like,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: you know, second practice.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Another pretty efficient day for Drake.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: May uh you know, Drake a little shaky accuracy early on,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: but still makes some late some big late down throws
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: down the stretch.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it was.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: It was you know, up and down, and that's how
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: I thought it would be coming into the season.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: He'd have you know, games where it all seemed to
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: click and he.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Did well, and then there're big game where I's throwing
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: a couple of bad interceptions and you know, looks a
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: little off. I think that's more of what a you know,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: a trajectory for a young quarterback looks like.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: But he's just exceeded all those.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Expectations and every the wins last year, like for example, Chicago,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: they won that game in Chicago. D haven't really enough.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, no, no, you didn't see anything like this,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: and that's I guess.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: I would just point to the Buffalo game. I think
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: that was where it was like, oh boy, he's going
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: This in front of a national audience against a division
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: rival on the road, which you know, right now talk
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: about like toughest important game to play every season at Buffalo,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: at Miami Division games on the.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: Road, down the stretch, getting him in field goal.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: You win both those games within you know, and I
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: know what the Dolphins have turned out to be. But look,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: you know they never lost the two We know what
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: the house ofholror of Miami has been. So that little
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: stretch there, you know, it was what in three weeks
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: that they played those two teams.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: That's to me was really really.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Like the Miami game. You come out, you jump out
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: to a lead, and then you lose that lead and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: it's like up here we are, yeah, right, another game
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: in Miami. Yeah, this is the way they go. But
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: it didn't know they reversed the team and Drake may
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: reverse that and you said, okay.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: And that and that drive against Buffalo at the end
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: where you know, my big question coming in is Drake clutch.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that was clutch I.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: And shaking a guy off, making throws down the field,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: setting up the game winning field goal. You know, it's
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: said that that's the stuff. I still haven't gotten a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: point yet though I've seen him out of fred of like,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: you know, when you got to that point, it's certain,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know what it happened for you with Brady,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: where you're just like, no, he's awesome. He's gonna be
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: awesome every week. You know, I haven't quite gotten there
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: with Drake yet. And I mean I don't mean that
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: as disrespectful. It's just it's all so new to me.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: You know, there's still a part of you waiting for
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: is he going to have an off game? Is he
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: going to be a little you know, and and there
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: are been moments, but he just seems to back, you
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: bounce back when he has a bad throw and they
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: have a bad sequence, and you know it hasn't been
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: bad enough yet to really to lose them a game
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: since September.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: So you know, Darius and Louisville rights in. He's a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: small sea concern, he says. I understand they haven't needed
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: to put points on the board, but it would be
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: awesome to see Drake Drake may may see Drake Drake
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: may may put up some big numbers. It would also
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: benefit him for the MVP candidacy. I don't care about that.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: When you have Josh Allen putting up six touchdowns and
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: other stuff, it just looks better for MVP. While we
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: are letting up because we can. We can. The Bills
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: are putting their foot on the oponent's next. Just my opinion.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I would say the Bills, you know,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: needed that they were in a game before Josh Allen
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: pulled away. But I get the point. That's why I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: brought it up yesterday, is that this is the time
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: of year when MVPs need to do MVP things. And
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: you know, it's great to have a great September October,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: but the guys that really excel in November December, I mean,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: that's that's this is MVP time and that's what clearly.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen is aware of.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: And the offensive coaches in Buffalo are saying, look, screw
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: getting cute.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: We got a really good quarterback who's a battering ram.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Let's let him do it all.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: But I love to see, you know, It's just it's
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: going to be really exciting to see Drake get into
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: a big game, back and forth, toe to toe, down
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: to the end, you know. And I mean I do
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: have confidence, but it's you know, I'm just not the
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady like.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: No, he's just awesome.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: He's gonna, you know, if there's one minute left, he's
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: gonna score a touchdown. I don't know that yet about Drake,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: but I feel really good about him.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: Stre Carrie writes in She's from New Hampshire and she
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: says I am a she because we were wondering, okay
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: last time she wrote in, h do you have any
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: updates on Booty and if he has a chance to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: play this week? Well, was Rabel asked about that?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: Well, he wasn't today, but he did say I think
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: on on Monday that that Booty be out there today.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: So we'll get a full practice report from from Evan
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: once he gets back from Well, I guess not here
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: on the show, but later today we'll see who's out there.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I got an eye out for all those guys.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: You heard very able say, get Stevenson out there, see
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: how he feels and be it'd just be great to
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: get him back. I think that's an element that they
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: that they really need.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hooper too, Hoop. I mean he's coming, He's come
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: up big in some moments they all, you know, being
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: full strength offensively down the stretch would be really key.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: And then you know they've had really good injury luck
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: generally speaking, and mil Williams.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Is the first really big blow. But this is what
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: every team goes through. You got to handle it.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Chris writes, saying, why does Josh McDaniels refuse to use
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams Correctly, he should be running slants, cross or screens,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: et cetera, and use his yards after catchability. Joking of course,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: but excited to hear what.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: Hasn't as Paul and I mean, we looked at it
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: a couple of times in the game on Thursday night,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: you know, look at each other like it just doesn't
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: look right.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, you know, you can tell.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: That's another thing I'm getting a sense of as you
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: kind of watch it more and more in practice, is
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: like I think Mike Vrabel said it this summer, quarterbacks
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: will let you know what receivers like, that's who they
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: throw the ball to the most. And sometimes, you know,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: Williams has happened a bunch of times where it's over
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: the wrong shoulder, it's a little to the left, he
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: stops here. They just haven't seemed to get that chemistry yet.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: And I wonder if it's just because Kyle Williams is
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: down the depth chart a little bit. He hasn't been
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: getting a lot of reps with Drake. We didn't see
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: a ton of him this summer, and that's okay, Like
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to rule him out, but no question,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: he's got some explosive to this.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: They could use something.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: Something's not clicking well in the season where let's everything's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: kind of click with the Josh offense this year, with
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: Drake understanding it, with you know, Boody coming on, with
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: with Digs slipping right in and knowing exactly where to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: be and what to do in the key moments. And
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: you know, but I just I continue to hold out
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: hope for Kyle Williams.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: You know it's got the ability, but I mentally he's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: got to get it to you.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's what That's what you just wonder is is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: he not quite grasping exactly, you know, the subtleties of
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: being a wide receiver in the NFL and how every
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: step counts and every inch counts, and you know he's going.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: To put the ball here, don't be over there, you
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: know those kind of things.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of if then in Josh
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: McDaniel's offense, if this happens, then you do this and
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: you have to be mentally aware. It's not just simply
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: ten yards and cut in.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at it.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: I think a little bit about Malcolm Mitchell, who's similar
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: outside receiver that you saw come in and he just
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: seemed to get it. I mean in that Super Bowl,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: he caught a bunch of passes. You know, you could
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: tell Brady had the trust for him. He was in
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: the right spot. So you know, he's one that that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: it clicked for. But but I mean it was kind
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: of late for him too, So I haven't ruled it
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: out yet. I think they need that, they need that
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: element of him, and it's also just got a fantastic personality.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: I still my ja just still in the ground when
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: I saw him catch that ball and just hammered down.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Bub buy zero to sixty. Anthony from
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: Toledo love the show listening since twenty twenty one. Maybe
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: I'll call in someday. Go ahead, please, random question, what
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: do you think of us using Drake May's locker room
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: chant as our fan chant? The Eagles have one and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: the Jets have one, why not us? The chant is
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: pats on me, pats on three one two three, pets.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Pats on men.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard that yet, that's what he says, pets
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: On me, pets On three one two three. I mean
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: that's good. What about the one Diggs is doing, the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: uh we all we got, we all we need.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they've kind of rallied around.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: I like that one because it's a it's a question
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: and answer or not a question, but.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Call and response, call and response, thank you right right.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: You know you could do it in the whole stadium too.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole stadium could be doing we always got
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: and and And it kind of lines up with you know,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: Patriots fans you know, uh, thinking of themselves, like you know,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: it's everybody against us, they all hate us. We don't need.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Them, you know.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah, we all we got, we all
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: we need.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got Paul with a good one.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: We did.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: We were shooting PU one TV and we always do
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: a little debate segment and we had to talk about
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: their lack of inactivity at the trade deadline, and I
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: was like say with me, Paul, we all we got,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: we all we need.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: But now it's a good it's a it's a good
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: little slogan that Diggs has come up with and people
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: continue to like where did you get it?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: I think maybe other teams have used it in the past,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: but it's ours now. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna take it.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: We're gonna copyright Nowreymark.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: David, Wisconsin. With regards to the first possession defense, do
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: you think there's a method to the madness. I'm wondering
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: if Rabel is almost baiting teams to take the ball first,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: knowing that they always let up a score on that
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: first possession because he wants to double dip at the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: end of the half in beginning of the third quarter.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: You think that's at all possible.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think that's funny. It's a good joke.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: But was asked about it on Monday and said he
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: had I think he had four third downs on that drive,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, just.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Just get to stop.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Just got to get off the field, get off the field.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: But it is hilarious, and I mean over the last
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: like two three weeks, I'm just I don't even flinch anymore,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Like I would be so frustrated, you know, like again,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: here we go and now it happens, and I'm like, yep,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: there it.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Is Okay, there, they're gonna be putting the next four
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: or five times.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: But I mean, but as we get in to games
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: where every possession matters, they've got to they've got to
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: be better.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Franklin and Baltimore. I partially agree that the increased
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: starting position starting field position with the new kickoff rule
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: has played some role in a decreased passing yardage across
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: the league. But I think the bigger factor is that
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: we're leaving what was quite possibly the best generation of
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: passers in history. When you have a prime Brady Peyton, Breeze, Rogers, Rivers,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: luck for Time and Stafford all playing at the same time,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: of course, that's going to skew the numbers in favor
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: of prolific passing attacks.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: That's a great point. That's a great point.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: I mean really felt like that, you know, twenty twenty,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, you moved on from that era of
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: Brady Roethlisberger, Rivers, Peyton Man, you know, that little five
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: year stretch. But I think that's a that's a good
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: that's a good point. I mean, it's all, you know,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: it all kind of adds into it. There's all kinds
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: of factors with it, but yeah, like it.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: It'll probably next year it'll be you know, they'll be
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: passing all over the place.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, Jayden Daniels comes back and he has
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: some you know, passing yards. Caleb Williams continues to develop
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: Drake Obviously, this I just I think it's a great
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: thing for the league whenever these young quarterbacks can develop.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: I just I don't root individually four teams, and I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: always want the Patriots to win. But at the same time,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: when you see an organization doing it right, developing talent,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: finding really you know, good quarterbacks or you know, even
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: saving guys from the scrap heap, like Sam Donald and
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, it's just it's great for the league. You
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: need as many good quarterbacks as you can have. I mean,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: in a perfect way, you have thirty two of them.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: It's never going to work out that way, but yeah,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: we'll see next year if it bounces back.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Ally's bond from Connecticut rights in. He says, they had
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: a thought this morning, oh, one that I could see
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: happening that could benefit the future years. Let's say the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Patriots go far in the playoffs, maybe even win a
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl this year. Trying not to get ahead of myself,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: but it's becoming real. What I would love to see
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: happen is let's be aggressive and trade up in the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: first round of the draft for the offense. Let's face it,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: we don't have a long term right tackle or center.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: With an aging Digs, we could even snag a wide receiver.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: I know it's a defensive class, but I think we
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: need to strike and continue to become an aggressive football team.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: On another note, I think Drake throws four touchdowns and
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty nine yards for the first time
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: in his career Sunday.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a great question.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Straight up, get aggressive and go offense in this draft.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: I mean it sounds, you know, fine in theory. You
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: got to have the actual like nip put a name
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: to the player, I think as Adam as Evan likes
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: to say.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: But it's a good question. I wish the group was
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: here because how would you approach the offseason at wide receiver?
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: You know, as all these guys are going to come back,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: are you you know who are you trying to upgrade
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: or replace?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Are you you know?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Are you trying to upgrade or replace Kaisham Boudi? Who's
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: you know, continues to get better every single year who's
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: on a rookie contract has another year on a rookie contract.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: You know, are you I mean, you have.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: To think to the future and you can't, you know,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: imagine Stefan Diggs is gonna play forever. At some point,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: You're going to have to develop a guy that can
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: have that kind of chemistry with Drake on the guy
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: to have a moments. But it's it's no easy thing
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: to you know, if you go out and you sign
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: a high price price wide receiver, you draft the first
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: pick like it's going to come at the expense of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: one of these guys. And I'm not saying that there
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: aren't better players potentially available than some of the guys
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: on the roster, but right now it's all kind of
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: clicking and you're seeing how it all feeds into each other.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: Who are you targeting to get rid of? Who would
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: you you know, what spot would you be looking to upgrade?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, or you're gonna do it a Kyle Williams
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: expense to another guy who's going to come back in
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: year two that you hope has an offseason with Drake
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: and you know, has a better understanding the offense and
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more chemistry.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: So it's just it's an interesting position.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: I know everybody's desperate for wide receivers, and it makes
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: sense to always try to keep.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Targeting great players.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, this is a kind of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: tough answers, you know, tough, tough, tough way to figure
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: it out.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 23: Hey, guys, big conversation with just two of you going on.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: No thanks Tod.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: Now three of us got two takes for.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 13: You, guys.
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  Speaker 23: My first point is I agree with Evan. I think
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 23: the goal posts need to be moved. I think that's
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 23: due to Drake May and of course Mike Rabell. I
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 23: think they've made it well. And let's put McDaniel's in
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 23: there too, because they've they've done it, they've worked it out,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 23: they've got a formula there. I think we need to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 23: I think we need to win at least one playoff
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 23: game this year to be count the sixth year as
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 23: a success. And my second point is with Williams. I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 23: feel like he to me, he looks like Booty. When
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 23: Booty was first year as a rookie, Booty just would
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 23: get lost on a rout. He just didn't know it.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 23: He didn't get it. And maybe some guys that takes
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 23: the year or to get into it. I think Booty's
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 23: what in his third year now, yeah, yeah, yeah, so
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 23: maybe it takes a lot because Booty, like his first year.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 23: You wouldn't put him out there and be dependent on
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 23: him for anything, would you.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: No, No, He's He's an amazing turnaround for Booty, and
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it was growing up a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he admits that's what he said too.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 23: Yeah, So maybe we need to wait for Williams and
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 23: get him to do something similar. So those are my
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 23: two thoughts. I'll let you guys talk creat you guys,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 23: all right.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks tot.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: I know you guys have you If they don't bite
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: his puppies, they're not going to debite his dogs. But
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: I still think you can have a guy bounce back
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: after a subpar rookie year, especially when he's not getting
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of opportunities.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: But with Kyle Williams' speed, that's just continues to intrigue me.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: And as I've said many times before, I think it's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: an element that this offense misses a little bit.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: With their receives.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: And it's not like he's dropping balls. It's that he's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: not in the right place.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't look right, like that's what me and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Paulky say. Just doesn't look right. It doesn't like, you know.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: And otherwise you see Drake putting the ball like you know,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: pinpoint accuracy into a guy's hands. And then when he's
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: starting to Kyle Williams, it's like over here, I mean,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: it's not Drake's accuracy. They're clearly just isn't that chemistry yet?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: And hopefully when we see you know, this offseason, oh,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: Drake and everybody's down in Georgia, you know, pontooning or whatever.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: You know, you see Kyle Williams there and he's you know,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: helping him and running plays and getting in the playbook.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Robert and Portland, Maine right sin. Everyone keeps repeating that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are only good because of our week's schedule,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: but no one acknowledges that the Patriots are supposed to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: be one of those weak teams on the schedule. Paul
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: said himself when the season started that the Patriots should
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: win most of the games early in their lineup, but
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: he estimated they would lose fifty percent of them, that's
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: just how the statistics work. Then we won them instead.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: If the Patriots were only winning because of their schedule,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: we'd be losing half of our games right now. Also,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear anyone acknowledged Josh Allen saying that the
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: Patriots were a lot better team than their record showed
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: during his press conference after our loss in Buffalo in
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: December last year. My question to you, how different do
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: you think our record would have been last season if
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: Rabel and McDaniels were coaching.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Oh geez, that's a good question. It is a good question.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: I mean a lot to a lot of threads, you know,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: to on pull, but I know it as was it Drake?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Rookie Drake?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: And he started on the get go?
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. First of all, I would assume if Rabel was
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: the coach in the offseason last year, he would have
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: started Drake. May I think I think everybody on the
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: show at the gate, I think we all just thought
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: that Rake should start, not Jacoby Brissette. Right, I can't
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: remember I think I did.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think I did.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: I think I was okay, getting getting our feet wet
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: with Jacoby a little bit I think.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: I I mean, I wasn't like, you know, ranting and raving.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: But if I had my choice, I would have started
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Drake May.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you know, looking at the schedule,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: I mean at San Francisco, Houston was tough last year,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: but you could have beat the Jaguars, the Titans, I mean,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: the Jets.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but they would have won more than
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: four games. Yeah, let's put it that way.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, Indy, I mean there were some there were
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: definitely there were some easy schedule games last year.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 7: They know.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Plus you didn't play Buffalo until but.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: Twice in the last three weeks, which is just bizarre.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know, it's I mean, it's just
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: tough to say. With the quarterback is.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: The biggest situation for me.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Oh oh boy, Hello, I feel like we should have
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: some entrance music out.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Look, who's back from the locker room?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Alex is here? Hi Alex?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry you need a song? We don't know, I don't know.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: You tell us where are you coming from the locker room?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 22: And so where do we start? Diggs, Scrum, Evan Cam,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 22: you know, the drill, Eft and Chisholm and Garrett Bradbury today.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. He was very excited.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 22: Yeah, And I saw him talking to Fton and I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 22: was like, is he actually going to be talking about
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 22: like this community.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Angle or.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 21: That he wasn't asking about that stuff.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 22: But I definitely only heard football, but that's all I
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 22: could overhear a couple of lockers down.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, great, let's talk about your would you talk to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: the lock I figured.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 22: I would go into the digs scrum because we didn't
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 22: really have anyone over there.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 21: So it was actually like kind of a loaded one.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 21: Nobody no one farted that I know, at least not
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 21: on my side.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Thing but told us I don't know, you don't know,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: was no, do you have it narrowed down to like
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: five people?
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe? I don't even want to, Like.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 21: You have people's arms coming out of you from either end.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, the girl farts smell different than boyfart's, depends
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: what like if it's kind of fruity or you're like that,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: probably a girl fart.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: It was a little fruity.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: The soul for ones, Okay, all right, okay, anyways, interesting
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: stuff out of the Digs one.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 22: He said that he was kind of asked if Drake
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 22: was like a big lure him for him to come here,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 22: because that's what Rabel said on the Thursday Night Football Show,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 22: and he said it was kind of like a conglomerate
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 22: between McDaniel's rabels, Drake, and Todd Downing, who he has
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 22: a relationship with.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 21: Going back to Minnesota.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 22: He talked about how he seemed he feels like he's
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 22: like studying more film than ever before with a receivers coach.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 22: From I hope I'm not miss quoting him. It's hard
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 22: to hear, but from like a quarterbacks perspective. And then
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 22: the really interesting one was talking about how Drake throws
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 22: a really catchable ball and it kind of has like
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 22: a basketball touch on it. And then he sneaks in
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 22: that he had a broken finger a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 22: so he told Drake he really appreciates how he throws
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 22: the ball.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was roch.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 21: She was like, wait, let's go back to that. You
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 21: broke your finger a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 22: And stuff was like, yeah, don't worry about it, And
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 22: I'm not worried about it, so you don't have to.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Like I'm guessing he probably is still broken. It was
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: That's fine now thought wow, because it's continuing to impress
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: me with toughness.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: And yeah all, I mean that's been a really great
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: development this year. Is not just Digs, you know, playing well,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: but the leadership. Yeah yeah, I mean that's the influence
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: he's had over a wide receiver room last year that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: was in shambles. Yeah.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Him and Hollins too. I just think I always mentioned
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: both those guys. I think they're kind of a good
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: twosome to you know.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, Hollins talks a lot about him and Chisholm
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: have this funny relationship. But you know as firsthand, I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: mean the every Wednesday Digs ready to go. You know,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: people walk in the locker room, He's standing there ready
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: and you know, saying all the right things. And you know,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: I just am so impressed with the player that he is.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: When you I mean, we saw him when he was
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: a buffalo, and he would you'd see that you know,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: four or five, six, seven, eight catches he would have
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: against you. But when you watch him week in and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: week out, and you see the little things that he
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: does and the little moments and the little extra yards
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: that he gets here and there, or the got to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: have it moment when you it's gonna probably go to Diggs,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: and they still go to Digs, just like Josh Allen did.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: He's he's a he's a really remarkable player.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: And it's you know, not all these guys, like superstars
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: don't always have like the biggest size and the fastest speed.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: Like you wouldn't really think Stefan Diggs is all that
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: remarkable just standing there. But the way that he tempos
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: his routes and the he kind of runs like you
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: can't get a beat on his speed. He is a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: master route meet, you know, master meet and it shows
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: like the craft of it. It's not just yeah, just
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: run fast and get open and catch the ball. There
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: is you know, real thought that goes into it. And
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: he's he's among the best in the league today of
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: being able to get open and you know, find space
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: and make catches and keep the ball, keep the.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: Change of mean he's great with may imagine him with
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady. I mean, I go back to Randy Moss.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: You know, Randy Moss had a high, high football IQ
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: and that's why right away he blended well with Brady
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: because they were just on the same page from day one.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: And you know, Diggs is is much the same. He's
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: got a high football IQ.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: He's bringing the best out of you know, everybody around him.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I say, you know, he's such a like
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: I said, m VP offensive MVP after Drake.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: You know, he's just he's he's been huge.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: I put Will Campbell up there too.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: I thought about him.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: I mean I thought about him and Moses just because
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: what a disaster of the offensive line was.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's like, just for the reason alone the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: last two years ago, all we talked about was like.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: The offensive line is such a disaster, like you can't
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: do anything, you know, and and and maybe to that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: point when you talk about last year when they said, oh,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: if Rabel was the like, is this still the same
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: offensive line from last year?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Because fair enough, maybe it wouldn't looked as different.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Josh is pretty smart and experienced
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: and would maybe know how to work around that, and
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: maybe with better coaching they could have gotten better play
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: out of.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: Well that's a good one, because but if a coaching
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: staff was all the same as last year minus Rabel,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: it may not be that much better because it was
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: a hodgepodge of coaches that Mayo had no history with.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: You didn't know who they were. They were just trying
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: to cobble it together and it just didn't work. And yes,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: we can talk about may and Vrabel a lot, but
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: these assistant coaches are another big reason why we're seeing
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: the turnaround we see it.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 22: My lunch has been so consistent. I mean last year,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 22: how many different variations did they roll out? Like what
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 22: group went out there? More than three times altogether?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was ridiculous, And I mean and it was
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: nice to hear Brabel credit the trio of assistant coaches
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: that are on the offensive line with Robert Kugler and
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: Jason o'tayling haas they call him, and Doug Moron, who
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: it's still like I keep reminding myself like he was
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: a head coach in the league. You forget that your
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: offensive line coach, you know, coach both in Buffalo and
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  Speaker 5: and Jacksonville, and you know was in an AFC championship
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  Speaker 5: here in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they just got a lot of experience on the.
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  Speaker 3: Alex were you Averbel?
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  Speaker 21: I was?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know why the line of questioning to start
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: off was all about like you know, his relationship with
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: players and culture and all that stuff. Like is there
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  Speaker 3: something going around that people were talking about before the
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  Speaker 3: press conference that made them ask those questions?
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  Speaker 22: Or I wonder if it's stems from Thursday night in
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  Speaker 22: the postgame show with the crew there for Amazon, just
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  Speaker 22: kind of talking about how like these guys are like
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  Speaker 22: a lot of them his kids age, so it's it's
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  Speaker 22: kind of fun to be like coaching them.
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  Speaker 21: And I don't know, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 22: I think the beginning of the press conference took me
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  Speaker 22: thrown off automatically because Karen Grigian has Jerry duty.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I could say, R was like.
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  Speaker 21: Okay, Karen's not here, looks for Sophie. I think Nicole
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  Speaker 21: Yane got the first question today.
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  Speaker 2: You were like on deck.
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  Speaker 3: So she's still on jury because she was on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe she got on a jury.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe she's a questered.
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  Speaker 21: Imagine she's on serving on the Grand Turk or something.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of the Amazon crew, though, Alex keep a holiday
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  Speaker 5: card to Paul, and I was kind of disappointed. I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: did not receive a holiday card.
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  Speaker 21: Always, and I printed it out as a joke.
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  Speaker 22: You were at your desk and I have one for
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  Speaker 22: you too, but you're grinding away and I didn't want
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 22: to see you.
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  Speaker 21: Paul was not at his desk.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, this will be you got to describe
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: it college not even at the was it a holiday
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  Speaker 5: card of a show what he wrote?
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  Speaker 2: You got to talk about it.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 22: We've just been having a joke, like I think going
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 22: back to early last week about like Chris Thompson, how
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 22: excited we all were to see her.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: Because some of us for some reasons, right next.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 21: To us.
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  Speaker 22: For I think more legitimate reason. Right, I had a
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 22: great moment with Carissa. We talked for a long time
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 22: after Thursday at football.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 21: She followed me back on Instagram. Big deal, A nice message.
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  Speaker 22: But I took the photo that we took together, and
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  Speaker 22: just to be funny, I like went on Canva and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 22: made myself like a Christmas card template and I just
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 22: said like, Merry Christmas from Alex and her.
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  Speaker 21: Close personal friend Chrissa, and put it on Paul's desk.
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  Speaker 2: Got a good laugh. I got in there today because.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 22: He wasn't in there to see if he did anything
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 22: with it, it's probably in the trash.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 21: It was nowhere to be found.
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  Speaker 5: We had a lot of fun with it, like she
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: was getting you know, dressed in like a little corner
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: of where kind of outside of where we sit, and
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 5: like I to get to Paul's office, I kind of
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: have to walk out, and so I kept making.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: The joke of like, oh did you get that thing?
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: When I'd walk out, did did you see that?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 19: You know?
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: But that was cool. We had a good time.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 21: One quick thing from the locker room.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised they don't have their own makeup thing when
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: they they have to use.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: They took that up shop they did.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 22: It's like a little pop up situation. They had like
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 22: two director's high top directors shires, They had lighting, and
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 22: then one to two makeup girls.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: You should have hopped in there like hey, get some
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: free makeup.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 21: No, right, makeup artists don't like that.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 22: Like if you, like are in a wedding and you
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 22: say you don't want your makeup done, and then at
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 22: the last minute you try to slide in there, They're.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: Like, no, is it hard though as a girl when
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: you get your makeup done, because you probably have like
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: your regime that you like and then they're going to be.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm giving you like a shadow or I
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 22: What totally, but you're more of like a neutral I or.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: I was a man of honor and a wedding with
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: my was man of honor and my and my friend
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: Ashley's wedding and they had girls do makeup for all
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: the bridesmaids.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you want to get your hair done?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I swear to god, they made
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: me look like I was on the Jersey shore, Like
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: they gave me this like weird haircut. And now, like
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: all the pictures of the wedding.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: I'm like, what is it like Ronnie doing in They're
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: like reading the you know, reading my speech, Like this
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: does not look right on me at all.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: It was totally different. Yeah.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 22: Quickly though, Ramandre kind of was looking like he was
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 22: gearing up to go out to practice for sure, based
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 22: on his outfit. Yeah Hooper, I didn't see, but I
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 22: wasn't in there the whole time. I saw Christian Ellis
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 22: heaping up hands.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's good.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 22: Maybe not taping yourself up if you're not going to
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 22: go out and participate.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Be good to get him back. Yeah, I forgot about him.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I need some depth he can, he can,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: he can scoot.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's good against Chase Brown, who
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: Evan mentioned, and the Patriots have kind of struggled against
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: those kind of guys. I mean, I think if I
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: was desperate in a fantasy situation, I might like slip
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: Chase Brown in there just as a wild card, because
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, if I was Joe Flacco, I would say,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: we're targeting you short.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Try to you know, keep the chains moving. We push
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: the other guys down the field.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: Yep. All right, Well listen, it's been fun, but it's
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: time to go. But we'll be back tomorrow at noon.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: It'll be Thursday, so we'll have the full crew for
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit. We have the picks tomorrow, so we'll
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: have to hurry and we'll be getting that much closer
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: to the Cincinnati Bungles. Let's go, all right, Thanks for listening. Hey,
• 1:57:59
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