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Dorothy Logan: The American Fabric Unraveled - Now What? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  Hey friends, welcome to the podcast.
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  God bless you, brothers and sisters in Christ.
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  I've got an author of a very fascinating book called The Unraveling, The American Fabric
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  Undone.
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  And I can't wait to talk to Dorothy Logan.
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  She has been a professor, a worship leader, a performing musician, an organizational coach.
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  And she's contributed to foreign policy analysis, congressional and court testimony as well
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  as books on foreign policy.
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  In 2020, she realized there were gaps in the prevailing societal perspectives.
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  And she was struck with an urgency to fill those gaps for anyone who would listen.
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  So what did she do?
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  She took action.
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  She founded Freedom Academy with Dorothy to prepare others and to inform others.
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  And she says why Americans should embrace liberty and how to live according to principles
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  instead of as slaves to their passions.
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  We'll talk a little bit more about that as we talk about her book.
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  She is at heart a political philosopher and lover of liberty, praise God.
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  First and foremost, she's a follower of Christ and a daughter of the most high king.
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  That's what we love to hear.
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  Dorothy currently resides in Florida with her husband, Randy and Dorothy Logan.
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  So thank you so much for coming on World View Matters.
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  It's an honor to be here.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Well, we got a hold of the book and I want to show this the unraveling.
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  This is Jeff, you can bring it up.
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  The website, by the way, is freedom academy dash Dorothy dot com.
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  That's freedom academy dash Dorothy dot com.
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  So let's clarify it is not affiliated with Freedom Project Academy,
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  which is one of the things one of the branches that drives this podcast.
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  But there's forces behind your book and your world view.
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  And I want to just share a quote that you have on your website, your homepage from Ronald Reagan.
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  Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
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  We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream.
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  It must be fought for, protected and handed on for them to do the same.
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  Of course, that's Ronald Reagan.
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  So Dorothy, tell us a little bit about your background and a little bit more detail.
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  What was going on because 2020 seems like and we remember that well.
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  Everything, it was, it was crazy year.
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  It was the year of insanity and delusion.
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  And we were really surprised at a lot of things, including how the church
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  responded to government overreach and other things.
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  So what opened your eyes and what led to the book, the unraveling?
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  And of course, let's start with Freedom Academy first.
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  Well, it's kind of all part and parcel of the same thing.
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  In 2020, I looked around it at how easily we just handed over our freedoms
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  without any regard to why we might do that without questioning what was going on.
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  And so I've had this urgency to do whatever it took to inform as many people as would listen
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  about what freedom is, where it comes from, what the current threats those freedoms are,
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  and what we can do about it if anything.
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  So that's why I founded Freedom Academy with Dorothy.
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  And then out of that actually came a number of webinars.
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  And one of them was called the Unraveling.
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  That was in May of 2022.
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  And it was just, again, I had another urgency to turn that webinar,
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  one hour webinar into a book because maybe that would have even more reach
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  and more people would be able to read it and engage with that material.
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  Because the way the book is set up, the first part, like part one is the fabric, right?
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  So it's a primer on everything that you thought you knew.
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  And I think Americans have lost sight of where our values have come from,
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  what our society is based upon, and how integral all those threats are to not just the present
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  and the way of life now, but to what might be important in the future.
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  So you open up to the prologue.
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  And the first words in the book are, the great American experiment is over.
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  Look around.
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  And then you kind of back it up by saying we are no longer religious and moral people,
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  yet our government is unfit for any other.
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  And that's a paraphrase of a quote by John Adams.
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  So yes, it's been a while, Dorothy, that we've been a religious and moral people.
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  Look at what we export when it comes to pornography and everything.
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  Hollywood and the media, oh my goodness, and go on and on and on.
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  And so it's kind of eye-opening and disheartening at the same time
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  that we have to talk about these things.
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  But what made you start off with was that like to draw people in and attention getters?
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  Let's just share the conclusion right after the bat and then we'll talk about it.
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  Just go ahead and explain.
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  Of course, it's a hook, right?
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  You get the hook in, but it's true.
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  And before you can understand where we are going, you have to know what road we're on.
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  And to know what road we're on, you have to know where we came from.
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  And so there was this great experiment.
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  And it was, can we do something different in this country?
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  Can this new republic based on certain principles and morals and a way of looking at life
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  and a way of looking at the role of government?
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  Can it be done differently and can it be successful?
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  And it was the experiment.
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  And I think the experiment is over because it has failed.
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  I mean, every time, you know, so you have to look at the evidence
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  and see how every single one of the threads that make up our fabric have been pulled apart.
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  And I even talk of another illustration of how they've been scratched at worried away.
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  And yes, there's a wearing over time as well.
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  But if you think of our society as a tapestry full of multiple colors and beautiful picture
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  and it was woven together with such precision.
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  And then for each of those threads to be, yes, time wears them away as with any fabric.
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  But they are also, they've also been intentionally pulled at, scratched at, cut.
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  And then kind of, we're now just a bunch of threads on the floor.
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  It's a pile.
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  It's a very colorful pile of threads, but we no longer can recognize the picture
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  that beautiful tapestry that was that was originally woven together.
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  So section one is the fabric and part two, the two pillars.
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  We're going to talk about that.
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  And part three is unraveled.
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  And then at the end, you get, this is not just, here's what's wrong with the world.
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  You get to what can we do, what Christians do.
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  But I want to go back to, let's talk about something in my notes here.
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  What's your perspective on the nine to zero decision
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  by the Supreme Court that shut down states who wanted to keep President Trump,
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  former President Trump, off their ballots.
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  So I'm talking about, I mean, it's really amazing because didn't I just hear Biden recently say,
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  well, let's just work it out at the ballot box or something like that.
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  Let Americans decide at the ballot box and they're trying to prevent Americans from deciding
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  because some states wanted to get Trump off the ballot.
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  So what was, is your perspective on that?
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  Nine to nothing, that surprised me.
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  Go ahead, your thoughts.
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  So the idea of, of the Supreme Court, right, they're supposed to be politically independent.
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  And honestly, I always say that we're a constitutional federal republic
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  and the only thing left is federalism, right?
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  Essentially, we have, we, the Constitution is in shreds.
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  The, the republic is not representative.
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  People say that just as a representative democracy, do you feel like your representatives
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  are representing you? And, and so that part is gone too, but we still have this republic.
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  However, recently, the Supreme Court has surprised me.
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  I said that they finally woken up, actually, I believe in 2021, where there was all this talk
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  about stacking and packing the court and increasing the number of justices and all that,
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  that they understood their role in the checks and balances system, in those intertwined
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  responsibilities in, in this idea that, oh, wait, we're, that's why I call it conscience of the,
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  of this United States government is the Constitution.
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  And this idea is, wait, this struggle is supposed to be here.
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  We're not supposed to be getting on board with politicizing every single decision.
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  And so you actually saw a number of unified decisions that were surprising.
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  This is one of them, but it also should speak to the American people to bring back legitimacy
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  to the Supreme Court. I think that was one cause for that, one reason that they did that.
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  But also this idea, they want to back up the idea that no, you can't, the elites,
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  the people in power cannot control who else can replace them.
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  Because we have this whole government set upon, they create rules for themselves
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  that promote their own power and prevent other people from challenging that power.
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  And I think that the US Supreme Court in this instance was reestablishing their own legitimacy
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  and also demonstrating the American people that, no, we do still have a conscience at work.
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  So it's actually encouraging to me, starting in 2021, how they started working kind of together to,
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  to reveal that or reestablish that position with the American people.
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  Yeah, even recently Biden put something out there about trying to, you know,
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  do something with the court or whatever and I'm thinking because they're disappointed with some
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  of their decisions and I'm thinking, wow, we've got, okay, talk about disappointment. We've got
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  Roberts and who else is another one that is going back? Is it Kavanaugh or one of the other
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  ones that we thought, well, Roberts, forget it. All right, let's set that aside, Amy Coney Barrett.
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  Yeah, so we've seen a couple of those rule in a way that we wouldn't think they would as
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  Christians or Conservatives were going, what, really? And so, I mean, they were appointed by Trump
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  and we're going, so really there, it seems like maybe they are actually doing what they're supposed
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  to do. It wasn't Thomas Jefferson that said that the court out of the three branches is the least
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  powerful or should be, but that's not in our recent history. That has been the case, right?
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  Well, well, they're the least dangerous, right? Because they can't, they can't enforce their
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  decisions. They can't, they have no power of the gun. They have no power of the purse.
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  But at the same time, we allow them to basically write legislation for us, right? Which is also not
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  supposed to happen. And they're actually, with a lot of these decisions, they're actually taking that,
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  they're, they're walking that back. No, legislation has to be written by legislatures who were
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  duly elected by their constituents. So I'm actually applauding the Supreme Court in that they're the
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  last, they're the last branch of government that might understand what their role is supposed to be.
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  So friends, we're speaking with Dorothy Logan and the book is called The Unraveling. And Dorothy,
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  your first chapter of Republic, if you can keep it, obviously referring to Benjamin Franklin,
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  when the woman comes up to him and says, what have you given us, sir? And he said, a Republic,
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  if you can keep it. So why did you decide to kick things off with that chapter?
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  Like I said, it's kind of a primer on everything you thought you knew. Like, do you, one was the last
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  time you read the Constitution, one was the last time you read these founding documents. There's a
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  lot of primary documents that can speak to what the intents were behind those these important
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  documents that we kind of turned to in as we try to explain things. And I was amazed by how many
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  adults American adults have no idea where what the Constitution says, what the intention of the
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  founders were behind that. So what I just break down essentially what the Republic was intended to be.
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  And then I also go through that and how it's all becoming undone and giving different illustrations
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  to demonstrate that, yes, this was the Republic. And we didn't keep it because this is how it's
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  been violated at every step of the way. Oh, so much more to talk about because I have so many
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  thoughts swirling in my head is there's still time. And from a biblical perspective, if Christians
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  and the church is still here in America, there's hope, you know, until God, Jesus comes back and
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  but you know what, we have let it go so far because we've been too busy with whatever busyness,
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  the American dream, distraction, entertainment. But we've got to take a brief pause where with
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  Dorothy Logan, the book is called the unraveling more on worldview matters in just a minute.
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  website worldviewmatters.tv. So Dorothy, I wanted to ask you about the recent Republican convention.
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  There's so much going on, so much news came out of that. There's going on right now, you know what I mean?
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  With since the assassination attempt, President Trump and the selection of JD Vance is VP and so
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  many other things. We get our hopes up sometimes and we go, yeah, they're going to go to Washington,
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  they're going to go in, they're going to elect them and they're going to do it, but we found out
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  so many politicians in the past anyway, they get there and they seem like, well, maybe they had
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  good intentions, but they get elected and they realized they couldn't do what they really wanted to
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  do. And there's you, you don't see gridlock in Congress as necessarily bad. So explain that.
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  Well, first of all, let's talk about presidents because presidents make promises and they
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  campaign on those promises and then once they're elected, generally speaking, the president
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  has tried to push user political capital since their election to push things for it. In fact,
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  with President Trump in 2017, I was actually quite impressed because he, one by one, just snap,
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  snap, snap, snap. He was trying to do everything in his power to fulfill the promises he made
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  on the campaign trail. However, when it comes to legislation with the US Congress, the government
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  that governs least governs best, right? So this idea that gridlock is that's part of the tension
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  between what we think we want in the moment and what is actually going to be best for the country
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  in the future. And that's why again, I call that Constitution the conscience of the government
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  because gridlock means we're pausing to debate and think about what the implications might be
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  for passing this legislation. And just be, and unfortunately, the American people don't really
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  pay attention to that process very much because in the end, these politicians, these government
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  officials do whatever it takes to the wheel and deal. They end up being a lot of corruption and
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  trading for favors and to get their little piece of the pie through, right? So it always legislation
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  always empowers someone already in power. And so we have to understand that. So if there's gridlock,
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  that means we're not empowering someone to do to have more power over us at the moment. So I don't
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  see gridlock as a bad thing at all unless they were going to be passing legislation to undo their
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  own power, which does not happen. Yeah, I'm a little more cynical. I think when it comes to gridlock,
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  I'm thinking, man, if there's gridlock, at least the Democrats won't take more ground and unleash more
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  of their demonic agendas and evil on the nation, whatever way they're doing it because we tend,
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  we meaning Christians, conservatives, independent, we tend to compromise. We meaning in DC and Republicans
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  that I'm thinking, man, they'll take whatever we give them. And it doesn't seem like they're
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  compromising and giving up much ground, right? But let's go back or let's go on to the next question.
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  And this is interesting. The left seems to get it when it comes to intimidation, when it comes to
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  protesting, when it comes to being out there in the public PR, even if it's funded by the left,
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  even if it's phony, like George Soros phony, people buy it because that's what the media, the leftist
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  Democrat media reports on. You say that people are obligated to protest if the government breaks the
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  contract and removes rights and curtails liberties. So what does that look like? Obviously that we're
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  not, it doesn't look like the Black Lives Matter global network foundation who murdered or killed
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  almost 20 people over that summer, over a billion dollars in damage in America, and they were
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  funded by China, they were Marxist driven anti-Christian anti-family against the police and law
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  lessness reigned. That's not what you're talking about here. So what do you mean when you say we
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  are obligated to protest? Well, first of all, we are encouraged or I would encourage people to,
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  again, let your voice be heard. We can watch injustice around us. We can watch our freedoms being
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  taken away, but then we say nothing, we say nothing about it. We do nothing about it. There's
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  a lot of different ways to protest. We can petition the government. We can write letters. We can
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  get together in voluntary autonomous organizations that have more power and influence in order to
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  try to influence those are governing officials. And this is the really important thing. We're
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  always so focused on DC when we have the most power locally, right? You have one voice means more
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  in the state than in the nation and it means more in your county than in your state and it means
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  more in your town than in your county, right? So we tend to focus on the big areas when we probably
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  should be focusing on what we can do where we are and what influence can we have in our smallest
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  sphere of influence is kind of let that pay forward principle where if I impact this one life and
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  then it can grow exponentially out from there. That's why there's these grassroots movements.
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  But more than that, a lot of people say so if you take the declaration at preamble and they felt
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  obligated to throw off their government and you can look to some of the founders and say while
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  they meant through elections like since they didn't mean another revolution, right? They meant
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  through elections. And so what we have going on now is we're not really there's no revolution,
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  there's no changing of the guard in elections because that the system is so kind of rigged to keep
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  the people in power who are in power and the same kind of people put the same kind of people into
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  power who are already in power. So you don't see this changing this this turnover of values and
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  understanding that reflect what the American people might want want to have happen. So I think the
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  greatest protest is this is just me talking is to jump outside the narrative and do what is least
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  expected. They are they've crafted a wonderful little world for us in which they believe we know
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  how we're going to act. They believe they know how the the American people are going to act given
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  the certain sense of circumstances. I think they're wrong quite a bit, but in order to jump when
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  we jump outside that narrative, it we're basically giving our protests to the system that they
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  are using as a machine to keep their power going. All right, we've got to move on quickly. You
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  mentioned the two pillars. In fact, that's part two of your book. You talk about these key pillars
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  of civilization. What are these and why are they crucial? So every civilization or society is held
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  up by shared values, shared religion and shared language and they are inextricably linked together,
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  especially in the West and especially in the United States. And so but if you have cracks in one
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  and it starts slipping, it will inevitably take out the other pillar. And so and then the
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  civilization will fall. And and with only a few minutes left, I believe this is so crucial to
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  the Christian experience and to the American experience in that the American was American experience
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  is part of the experiment was we set aside a portion of society and a portion including our own
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  conscience, right? In this idea of separation of of church and state, which they like to talk about
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  that. But what that means is there's a there's a part in our lives that government is not allowed to
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  enter. Government is not allowed to enter. And if we can erode all those shared values based
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  upon Christianity itself that then then of course we can say no the government belongs in every
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  area of our lives. They belong in our they are our our our conscience. They we don't have freedom
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  of conscience. We don't have freedom of thought. And instead without Christianity holding that
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  our society up government has every single right to come in and take over all aspects of our lives
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  even our thoughts and consciences. So I mean I'm looking thinking as you're speaking the subtitle of
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  your book the American fabric undone. And the book of course called the unraveling we are running
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  out of time. But I wanted to get to what Christians conservative is concerned citizens who are
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  seeing this just the insanity the demonic agenda is being implemented and carrying out and
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  people just seem to be blinded by what's happening in our country. Maybe we have not fought to
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  preserve the Republic. But so in the final couple minutes just just just jump to the end. What can
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  we do? How do you encourage people to engage and what does that look like? So the first thing I say
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  is get your children out of public school. That's the first thing you have to happen. But on a more
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  general term we have to understand that the desperation is real. The desperation on the other side.
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  The evil is fighting for its existence. And we don't have that desperation. And so I encourage
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  Christians in in this way. We are we have our identity in Christ. We have nothing to fear. And
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  we live our lives through and of the spirit. And so the desperation that's on the other side we
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  cannot adopt it. We cannot fall for it. We cannot engage in their same kind of conversation and
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  that desperation because we shouldn't have it. We have a hope that that exceeds anything that
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  they could possibly imagine. And we have we and and also this idea that they do believe their
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  existence depends. And so whenever we say something against them they believe that we want to
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  exterminate them. There was one thing else I was going to say and I can't think of it now because
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  my brain goes too fast sometimes. But this the the idea of jumping outside the narrative or
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  or just trying to live by the spirit. We need to start learning to be kind instead of to be
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  right. And we need to start to be curious instead of the need to be right. But oh John 8.
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  Because I tell you the truth you do not believe me. And I think there's a vast portion of society
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  that you say they're blinded. But their father is the father of lies. And because they they don't
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  see the truth that is so obvious because their father is the father of lies. And because we tell
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  the truth they do not believe us. And it doesn't make any sense to us who can see the truth that
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  is so obvious that there's people like can't you just see it. It's just so obvious. But it's because
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  it's obvious because it's true. They don't believe it. Well it's interesting you said I mean we have to
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  go back to the spiritual battle. This is a spiritual battle. There's very real these forces of
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  darkness are very real. We're seeing them on steroids today. But when you said that the left
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  tends to be more desperate. I think what's interesting about that is to them this life is all
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  there is. They only have a limited amount of time. Christians we have the hope thanks to our faith
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  in Jesus Christ of eternal life. And so we can have a piece knowing that insanity is happening
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  all around us. But the problem with that is sometimes that doesn't lead to having a sense of
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  urgency and living out our faith being the salt and light that we are supposed to be your final
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  thoughts Dorothy. Well and that's why I do encourage everyone to do what you're called to do.
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  If God has put a calling on your life go out and do it because like with this book with Freedom
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  Academy I had an urgency. I don't know what for or why but in fulfilling that you're fulfilling
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  the good works that were laid out in advance for you to do. And I think more Christians have to
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  lean into the Holy Spirit lean into their calling and really rely on not their own strength and
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  not their own understanding but a piece that surpasses all understanding because we leave and
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  live in very unpeaceful times. Amen. The website is freedom academy dash dorthy.com and her book is
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  on Amazon. You can get it over there the unraveling the American fabric undone. But dorthy thanks
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  for your time today. Fascinating topic and discussion is so much more we could have tackled but
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  I think we gave people a good sense of what the book is about so we appreciate it God bless you.
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  Thank you. Alright friends continue to share the podcast it's getting out there because of you
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  thank you you troublemakers for the kingdom of God. Thank you God bless you keep speaking the truth
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  about things that matter.