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BPS 447: Turning a Script into a Movie: The Indie Filmmaking Story of Jamie Buckner · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 3: In this next episode, I have a filmmaker who comes
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  Speaker 3: to us from Louisville, Kentucky. He lives in New York now.
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  Speaker 3: He has worked with some of the biggest directors of
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  Speaker 3: all time. He's worked on as a production manager, production coordinator,
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  Speaker 3: he's worked as a PA, He's worked his way up,
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  Speaker 3: and he's also made his own movie. And we talked
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  Speaker 3: about how he found time to actually write this thing
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  Speaker 3: as he as he's going to all these different productions
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  Speaker 3: and what did he learn by reading all these scripts
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  Speaker 3: and all this other good stuff. So sit back and
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  Speaker 3: get ready to hear tail about two filmmakers, each of
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  Speaker 3: whom has a movie called Split. This isn't Split, the
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  Speaker 3: one with m Night Shyamalan. By the way, if have
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  Speaker 3: you listened to the episode with producer Mark Bienstock. I
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  Speaker 3: was actually his TA when he was teaching at Drugson
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  Speaker 3: University here in Philadelphia. It's a great episode, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: we kind of brush on that in this episode. But
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  Speaker 3: this is a different split. This is a bullet This
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  Speaker 3: is the romantic bowling movie split with guests Jamie Buckner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would go to say many few you know, really,
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  Speaker 4: what's a number? It's a number? How many years ago? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: So there are many short and long versions of this,
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  Speaker 4: but so effectively, I back in high school sort of
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  Speaker 4: came to this revelation. Well, I guess it was kind
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  Speaker 4: of early college trying to figure out a college major. Basically,
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  Speaker 4: I started as an art major, thinking like, okay, I
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  Speaker 4: like to draw, maybe I could. I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 4: to draw comics for a little while, didn't really tried
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  Speaker 4: that for a little bit, found out that wasn't for me,
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  Speaker 4: and was like, all right, maybe I'll be a music major.
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  Speaker 4: I love making music. I've been playing bass and guitar
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  Speaker 4: for a while. Let me like learn the actual like
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  Speaker 4: mathematics of music and like learn to read it and
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  Speaker 4: learn the theory and all that sort of stuff. Got
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  Speaker 4: into that that wasn't for me. I thought I was
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  Speaker 4: gonna be architect for a while thought, and I just
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  Speaker 4: kind of dabbled in so many different things, and it
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  Speaker 4: just sort of dawned on me at one point. I
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  Speaker 4: think it was just mid conversation with a friend about
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  Speaker 4: how I had always been really into movies just as
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  Speaker 4: of just a thing. It's just like I was like
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  Speaker 4: the guy that people talk to about movies. I was
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  Speaker 4: like really into particular directors and particular types of genres
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  Speaker 4: and all these things. Like I was just one of
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  Speaker 4: those kids back in the nineties that was just you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you count yourself amongst this number. That was
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  Speaker 4: just like one of the you're like, oh, yeah, the
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  Speaker 4: movie guy. That's Jamie. You'll talk to Jamie. I'll tell
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  Speaker 4: you all about like, you know whatever, different Spielberg, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Tarantino coming around at the time, you know, like down
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  Speaker 4: to you know, like I was getting into sturges and
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  Speaker 4: like truefaux and stuff like that, like whatever, just all
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  Speaker 4: of the like early days like film nerids stuff, And
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  Speaker 4: it sort of dawned on me at a certain point
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  Speaker 4: that all of these things that I had been dabbling in,
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  Speaker 4: and I was sort of interested in from a creative,
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  Speaker 4: creative way of looking at things, all sort of came
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  Speaker 4: together in this one medium. All sort of were just like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, storyboarding is drawing, you know, music is heavily
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  Speaker 4: involved in you know, you know, even photography. It just
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  Speaker 4: basically everything that I really sort of wanted to do
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  Speaker 4: but didn't want a hard commit to one or the
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  Speaker 4: other all sort of came together in this one thing
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  Speaker 4: that I already loved. So I went to Northern Kentucky
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  Speaker 4: University up by Cincinnati, which did not have a film program,
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  Speaker 4: but what did have a terrific theater program and had
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  Speaker 4: what was is now known as an informatics eMedia program,
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  Speaker 4: but back in the day when I was going there
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  Speaker 4: was just a communications a radio and television communications program.
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  Speaker 4: Took all of the film ish movie ish classes that
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  Speaker 4: I could screenwriting, playwriting and all that sort of stuff
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  Speaker 4: as well, sort of made the best of what was
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  Speaker 4: available there, and read a lot of books on my own,
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  Speaker 4: screenwriting books, you know, production books, film theory books, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: or so on. And one day, as I was working
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  Speaker 4: in a Sunglass hut in downtown Cincinnati, I saw in
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  Speaker 4: the Tower Place mall that I was working in. There
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  Speaker 4: was a flyer for people to come to a certain
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  Speaker 4: hotel on a certain day to be extras in the
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  Speaker 4: movie Seabiscuit, this horse racing movie that was shooting down
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  Speaker 4: in Lexington. So I go. Turns out I fit the
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  Speaker 4: costume parameters, which is really all you needed to do
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  Speaker 4: to be a part of that, and I went in
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  Speaker 4: was an extra in the movie Seabiscuit in freezing cold
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  Speaker 4: November of two thousand and two, I believe, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: three I think it was two thousand and two, But
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  Speaker 4: I got down there. I slept on the floor of
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  Speaker 4: my friend's dorm room at Eastern Kentucky University, and I
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  Speaker 4: bugged the holy hell out of all of the production
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  Speaker 4: people down there until they would give me the time
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  Speaker 4: of day. I made just enough friends to make some
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  Speaker 4: more friends from there, to make some more friends from there,
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  Speaker 4: started working as a camera person camera pa as I
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  Speaker 4: was also mid mining as a day school teacher during
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  Speaker 4: the day at my old high school. Worked on an
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  Speaker 4: indie project for a director that is also from louisvill
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  Speaker 4: who's a good friend of mine now who we've actually
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  Speaker 4: worked on several other projects together. So on and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: Did his many project because I could in Kentucky. Ultimately
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  Speaker 4: decided to move to New York versus La. Came up
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  Speaker 4: to New York, worked on my first production up here,
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  Speaker 4: which was this movie that was a remake of The
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  Speaker 4: Honeymooners called The Honeymoers with like John Maguizamo and Cedric
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  Speaker 4: the Entertainer. I believed, but that was a few weeks.
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  Speaker 4: It was my first job. My foot was in the
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  Speaker 4: door up there up here in New York. That happened
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  Speaker 4: to be happening in the same building as the production
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  Speaker 4: office for War of the Worlds. They called downstairs and
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  Speaker 4: were like, do you have any PA's that are, you know,
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  Speaker 4: not terrible? Luckily they threw my name in there. I
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  Speaker 4: worked on more of the Worlds for a little while.
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  Speaker 4: I have some cool stories from that. That was fun.
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  Speaker 4: Office uptown for the new Martin Scorsese movie The Departed
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  Speaker 4: calls same question, do you have any pas that aren't awful?
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  Speaker 4: And they're like, yeah, this kid's not terrible. We dig him.
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  Speaker 4: He's kind of fun to be around and he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: screw things up too bad. So I end up working
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  Speaker 4: on The Departed for almost a year, and then another
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  Speaker 4: Warnerbers movie comes after that, called August Rush, So we
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  Speaker 4: stay in the same office, we work on that, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm now in with this team, and we roll on
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  Speaker 4: from another production to another production, and then I you know,
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  Speaker 4: and the resume kind of speaks for itself from there.
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  Speaker 4: It just kind of it just becomes this. You work
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  Speaker 4: with enough people and they get jobs and they call
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  Speaker 4: and see what you're doing, and you go and you
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  Speaker 4: bounce onto that, and you bounce onto that, and all
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  Speaker 4: the while I was still working on my own things
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  Speaker 4: and shooting music videos for friends bands between jobs and
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  Speaker 4: doing little shorts when I could doing those silly, little
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  Speaker 4: weak make a movie in a weekend, forty eight hour
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  Speaker 4: projects in all that time, working on this, rewriting, rewriting, reworking,
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  Speaker 4: planning for Split, my first feature, which we just put
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  Speaker 4: out last August. So that is sort of the I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure I missed some things, but that is basically the
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  Speaker 4: trajectory of how I got here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I'm actually looking at your IMDb right now,
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  Speaker 3: and like you were a production coordinator on john Wick
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  Speaker 3: Chapter two. I actually had the writer of john Wick
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  Speaker 3: one and two. Derek Cole said on the podcast before
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  Speaker 3: how is.
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  Speaker 4: He's like the coolest guy on the planet. He found
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  Speaker 4: out me and one of our coworkers on that was
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  Speaker 4: from Kentucky, and he bought us a bottle of Woodford
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  Speaker 4: Reserve bourbon that I had somehow never seen. I'd never
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  Speaker 4: seen this size available, this size of bottle, and we
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  Speaker 4: somehow managed to go through almost all of it over
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  Speaker 4: the course of late nights in met office. But no,
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  Speaker 4: Derek is the coolest guy too. He would just like,
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  Speaker 4: he know, I'm just some random schmo working on the production.
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  Speaker 4: He has no reason to be sitting there and shooting
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  Speaker 4: and you know, shooting the breeze with us until the
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  Speaker 4: wee hours of the night. But we would just talk
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  Speaker 4: about movies and I think we talked about The Twilight
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  Speaker 4: Zone in particular episodes we love for like two hours
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  Speaker 4: one night, and he's just a what a red guy
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  Speaker 4: that Derek is, right. I'm sure I gotta go back
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  Speaker 4: and listen to that episode. I didn't realize you had
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  Speaker 4: him on.
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  Speaker 3: That's cool, yeah, really really cool guy. And I got
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  Speaker 3: introduced to him to another writer friend of ours, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this guy's not gonna say yes to
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  Speaker 3: come down and show them with me and he was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course he will. Yeah, he's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic guy. And I'm actually really glad too that
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  Speaker 3: John Wick both one and two were box office hits
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  Speaker 3: as well as critical hits, because I love to see
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  Speaker 3: when good things happen to good people.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh yeah. You always you always, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you always want that to be the case. Like, and
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  Speaker 4: it's funny. I've seen I've seen it go all different
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  Speaker 4: sorts of directions where the people you know again on
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  Speaker 4: this in the spirit of positivity will necessarily named names,
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  Speaker 4: and people who aren't such great salt of the earth people.
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  Speaker 4: Like you're Derek, Coolestad's of the world have success and
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  Speaker 4: you're kind of like, yeah, all right, that's going to
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  Speaker 4: perpetuate some bad behavior. Or I've also seen some people
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  Speaker 4: that are really really terrific, like just really great, really fun,
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  Speaker 4: really talented people in a movie's tank and it's that's
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  Speaker 4: a bummer to see too. But so yeah, when the when,
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  Speaker 4: the when the optimum scenario happens and it's just really
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  Speaker 4: good people make really good work and it's really successful.
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  Speaker 4: It's that's that's what we're all hoping for.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, absolutely, And you know, I just going
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  Speaker 3: back to your career, you know, as you as you
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  Speaker 3: know you worked on as crew for all these films. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at your IMDb and you know, how did
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  Speaker 3: you find the time to actually sit down and write Splits?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know it started off as a short
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  Speaker 3: film before you made it into a feature, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: back in twenty ten, you know, when you made this short.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how did you find the time between these jobs?
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  Speaker 3: You know, because it seems like you're going from job
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  Speaker 3: to job, you know, production and production, So how did
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  Speaker 3: you find the time to actually sit down and write
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  Speaker 3: write this out?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you just kind of have to if the
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  Speaker 4: original script I've had sort of with me for a while,
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  Speaker 4: like from when I first started working in production basically,
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  Speaker 4: and it's really just been a matter of, like you
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  Speaker 4: just have to if what you want to do is
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  Speaker 4: be creative and you don't want it, because it's really
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  Speaker 4: easy to get stuck. I could just completely just rest
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  Speaker 4: on my laurels, keep working and keep doing what I
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  Speaker 4: do well and just you know, and I'll eventually you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just keep correction, managing, supervising and things and
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  Speaker 4: wine producing smaller things and then mind producing bigger things.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm on said, you know, I could do that,
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  Speaker 4: and next thing, you know, I'll blink. I'm six years
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  Speaker 4: old and I'm doing really well, but not exactly what
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  Speaker 4: I want to be doing. So if you really want to,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just easy to get stuck in any particular discipline,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like there's people who get stuck in the
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  Speaker 4: camera department who would rather be you know, writing or
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  Speaker 4: directing or whatever, and that's not a terrible transition, but
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  Speaker 4: like there are people you know that end up being
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  Speaker 4: key grips or gaffers that feel like they can't make
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  Speaker 4: the transition because the money gets good at a certain
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  Speaker 4: point and they just kind of keep working or art
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  Speaker 4: department locations, you know, you can, you kind of There's
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  Speaker 4: so many different little specific disciplines that are super important
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  Speaker 4: to various productions, and you don't want to make light
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  Speaker 4: of any of those at all. But if it's not
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  Speaker 4: where your heart is one hundred percent, you just kind
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  Speaker 4: of always have to find the time when you can
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  Speaker 4: without compromising your you know, your day to day work.
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  Speaker 4: I just I just always prioritize fining in the time
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  Speaker 4: whenever I could to go back and do a little
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  Speaker 4: rewriting or go back and do a little uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: prep work of like you know, trying to figure out
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  Speaker 4: where locations would be. And we're talking about over the
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  Speaker 4: course of years and years, you know, like in talking
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  Speaker 4: to different actors and talking to different writers helping give
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  Speaker 4: me notes, and you know, the producers talking about how like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how do you raise money for these things?
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  Speaker 4: How do you set up a you know, a small corporate,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because you end up being a small business
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  Speaker 4: basically when you make a movie, it not even basically
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  Speaker 4: you are a small business. You have to you have
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  Speaker 4: to basically teach yourself how to be an entrepreneur in
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  Speaker 4: a very sort of tweaked way. But you really, I
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  Speaker 4: just I just kind of made the time. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Like if I if we got done shooting early on
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  Speaker 4: a production and like I had a few hours left
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  Speaker 4: in the office and everybody who was like, oh, quitting time,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going a happy hour, I would you know, be like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, guys, great, just you know, leave one light on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay here for five or six hours. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, like pound away on my script or like
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  Speaker 4: you know, I also would work on other scripts to
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  Speaker 4: sort of like you know, get a fresh eye on
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  Speaker 4: a different story and sort of think outside of the
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  Speaker 4: the like Bowling rom com Box and like go and
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  Speaker 4: like do a script contest and like write a horror
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  Speaker 4: movie in ten pages and then that would somehow inform
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  Speaker 4: a oak somewhere within, you know. So you really just
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  Speaker 4: sort of have to always the creative muscle, I'd like
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  Speaker 4: to think, and you know, there's much wiser people that
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  Speaker 4: can probably say it much better than me, But I
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  Speaker 4: think the creative muscle and like the energy that you
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  Speaker 4: that you put into it are just very important. It
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  Speaker 4: has to be constant because it's like a muscle, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's exactly like it's exactly what it is, like, it
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  Speaker 4: will atrophy if you don't exercise it regularly. So as
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  Speaker 4: far as how I did it, I don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Just basically every moment that I can find free that
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  Speaker 4: you know, you also have to fund time for rest too,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm not just completely twenty four to seven, like
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  Speaker 4: you get You've got to be wise enough to know
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  Speaker 4: when to take a break when you're actually burning a
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  Speaker 4: candle at both ends, and you're compromising other parts of
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  Speaker 4: your life, or you're compromising the creativity, or you're compromising
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  Speaker 4: the paycheck job, you know, and none of those things
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  Speaker 4: can happen. So you just have to be very keenly
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  Speaker 4: aware of how important with all of this as well.
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  Speaker 4: But whenever I had an opportunity, I'd be writing or
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  Speaker 4: talking to people about raising money, or you know, talking
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  Speaker 4: actors or talking a little little bit of this, a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of that. And then it finally came to
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  Speaker 4: a point where I thought, Okay, if we're going to
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  Speaker 4: do this, let's take the first like seven or eight pages.
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  Speaker 4: I forget what it was of the script. Let's do
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  Speaker 4: what I think I'd heard other people do before. At
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  Speaker 4: that point, and I was like, I think we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to do a kickstarter to raise enough money to
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  Speaker 4: start raising money, because I knew it would cost a
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  Speaker 4: little money to get a lawyer to start a company
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  Speaker 4: to you know, get a couple of wheels rolling to
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  Speaker 4: then like then be able to go out and like
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  Speaker 4: actually raise private equity. So I was like, I think
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  Speaker 4: I want to do a kickstarter to raise money in
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  Speaker 4: order to start raising real money. In order to do that,
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  Speaker 4: I would like to do what I started referring. People
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  Speaker 4: called it a sizzle reel. I hate the term sizzle
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  Speaker 4: reel because it's just not what this was. And people
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: kept referring to it as that, and I get the
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: place of a sizzle reel. I don't even know if
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: people say that anymore, but it just drove me crazy.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't know it's called proof of concept. Now,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: that's okay. See that's what I started calling it, not
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: even knowing anyone called that that. So that's funny because
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: I was just like, this is my this, This will
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: be like my my like proof of concept piece. This
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: will be my Hey, we're gonna make a bowling rom com.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Oh does that sound silly? Well, I don't think it's
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: completely silly. Here's exactly what I had in mind, so
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: that you can put in front of like a potential
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: investor or an actor. This is what I have in mind.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So we shot that two days over a weekend in Queen.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I still stand that. I think I'm the only person
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: ever to shoot Queens for Kentucky. So we shot this
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: in like a double decker bowling alley way on in
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Queen's with It's so funny that short. Just the cast
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: that we got for that short is now all super famous,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: which is hilarious. So but it was so there was
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: just this killer group of people called in all these favors,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: like we are the top eighties in New York. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: was is just a buddy of mine. I was like, hey,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't come do this on a weekend, would you?
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm free whatever, that's fine. And it's
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: like when it's like when you shoot something, you shoot
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: something in New York or you shoot something in LA.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: People you know, it's it's oddly it's good, not hot
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: at all, actually, come to think of it, it's just
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: it's easier to get top crew, top cast. Not that
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: not that there's not amazing people all over the country,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: and specifically in Kentucky we have a great group. But
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: like as far as like these people that are like living, eating,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: breathing in the industry and doing it like on a
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: sort of like a more visible skit national and global scale.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: These people live in New York and LA. And if
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: you're shooting in New York or LA, they're much more
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: ready to just be like, yeah, cool, can I just
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: hop on the subway and get there. Fine, yeah, I'll
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: be there whatever, some big deal. You can pay me
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: whatever you can. It's fine if you know it's It
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: gets a little trickier when you're like, hey, can you
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: come to three weeks for Kentucky and I'll put you
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: in a hotel and whatever. They're like, oh, I don't know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: my kids are in school or I got this other
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: thing going. Whereas if it's just down the street, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: they're much more they're much more game for it. So yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: so in that short, we've got like Tommy Sadowski who's
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: now on Wife and Pieces and like, you know, he's
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: just got his feet kicked up in CBS heaven. Uh,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: and you know Keith Talell who was on thirty Rock,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: My turnis who you know was on Orange is the
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: New Black? Just amazing. But so yeah, we did the
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: short and then oh my god, I totally forgot the question.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Listen to me rambling. What was your Well?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I was just about how you found time to actually
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: write in between jobs.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's do you see how half topic I
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: got on that? I I don't know, man, I don't
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: really have a great answer for it. You just kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: of have to find it. You just have to make
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: the time. You know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Well, and you know you touched on something too that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I previous guest, James Altacher, he touched on this as well.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And creativity is he calls it a muscle. He calls
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: it his idea muscle of coming up with these ideas.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And you know, he's like, that's what happens it actuphies
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: if you don't use it. And so when you were
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: saying that, I'm like, that's exactly why he puts it
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things and
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I feel it sometimes. Well, it's also one of those
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: things where if you're gonna be in this industry, how
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: do I say this in like a positive way, because
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: it's it's it is a positive thing, but saying it
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: and when I've said it previously, it kind of doesn't
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: sound terribly positive. You sort of have to be crazy,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: You sort of have to be a little bit obsessed
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and stubborn and just in order to do this business
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: in order to live and eat and breathe it and
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: just have it be what you do. And it took
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: me a few years to get to the points where finally,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: like I was just like, this is what I do.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I am a filmmaker, I am a storyteller, I am
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a movie TV you know, a new media like whatever,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Like I've I've lost, I have no other bankable skills.
• 20:02
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• 20:08
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• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I'm literally this is just what I do. And in
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: order to sort of be in it to that level,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to have no other options. Because
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: there are certainly days when I have, say like specifically
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: on like certain productions, if like some nightmare thing happens
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: with like an actor or producer's travel, or like you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: something bad happens on set with a piece of equipment.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: It's any number of things that I could tell you
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: probably one hundred stories. Like you know, I'm living the dream.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I do what I love for a living. But there's
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: just like anything else, Like there's you know, there's crappy
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: days where I'm like, man, I wish I could just
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: work at a call center and go home at five
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: point thirty every day and like go to happy hours
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: and it just like have a nice, happy little light
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: still living. Can Ducky just live down the street from
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: my parents go to like, you know, like I kind
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: of like this part of me certainly at times that
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: are just like, wouldn't life just be easier if I
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: would be okay doing not all of this? And the
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: answer is yeah, maybe, but I just I internally don't
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I if I was not doing this and one is
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: not doing this exhaustive, sometimes insane, you know, often being
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: asked to pull off the impossible. If I wasn't doing
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: this production thing, if I wasn't doing the storytelling thing.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: And this is including you know, my like day job,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: production work on like other bigger productions, and my own work,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you know, Like I barely left my apartment yesterday. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: finally had to leave and go outside and walk the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: dog at ten thirty pm because I'd been stuck in
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: here writing my next writing this next script all day yesterday.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I woke up at eight o'clock in the morning and
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I was just here like a shut in, just all day.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And it's you just kind of have to have a
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: little bit. You just got to be a little bit off,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: but in all the right ways, you know, And it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: and it's and I wouldn't trade it for the world,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: but there's certainly times where I'm just like, oh, I
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: can't I just go and work at Like why can't
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: My dad worked at like a ge assembly line for
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: thirty forty years in Kentucky, like making washing machines. You
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: know what. He's perfectly happy now he's retired. He watches
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: westerns all day, goes on long walks. I just, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I just you know, I can't even picture myself ever retired.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: People like, what are you gonna do? You know, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: when you retire, And I'm like, who retires from making movies?
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: We're all like, blessed with this opportunity to do this.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I'll probably do this until they like drag me lifeless
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: off of the set somewhere, like, I don't know why
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I would ever retire from it. I just like, it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I'm doing it. But if you're not doing it because
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you love it, then then you're legitimately a crazy person
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: because go do something else. It is it is hard, yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: you know hard. I stay away from the word hard people.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: This always comes up when people are talking about, oh,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: how do you raise money for the movie, and you know, people, oh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: raising money is the hardest part. Raising Money's hard. I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: don't like to call anything that we do and I
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: just slipped up on my own on my own advice there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I hate calling anything that we do hard because you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: digging ditches is hard. You know, working in the coal
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: mines is hard. Construction work is hard. You know, working
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: in the heat and not having a job and living
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: in a third world country. You know that that that
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: stuff is all hard. What we do is we're blessed
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: to be able to like, you know, to do what
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: we do for a little you know, I show up
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: to work and there's like a truck full of catering
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that will make me whatever I want. I stay away
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: from the word hard with anything that we do. But
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: it's but the hours are tough and the sometimes the
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: conditions are not ideal. So if you can be doing anything,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: and then I've it's broken to some college classes, you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and I've told you, what would you recommend if the
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you know, you know whatever, Like there's always like the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: basic questions. I'm like, if you think you can do
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: anything else, if there is a world in which you
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: do not have the internal drive where you absolutely have
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: to be doing this for like, with all of who
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: you are, you should one hundred percent. Just go do
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: that because it's going to be easier again, easier whatever.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, it's it's it's going to
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: be it's going to lead to sort of a emotionally
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: and this sort of is spiritually the right word. I
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: don't it's if you're not going to be happy putting
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: in what has to be put in to work in
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: this industry, then just don't do it. Don't put yourself
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: through it, because it can be. It can be, it
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: can be pretty, it can be pretty brutal to a degree.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Just you know, it's mostly just about the hours and
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the and the expectations of like when people expect you
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: to be available for them to certain degrees. And again
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: that's and sometimes when I'm working in production, that's just
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: people that are creative types. And I'm just like, now
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I get it. Listen. Especially the since I left doing
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: regular production, you know, regular like sort of like my
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: normal production stuff and went and made the feature. I'm like, well, listen,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I get it. I'm then I was that guy, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: and I was never like calling people at three o'clock
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: in the morning and being like, you know, we need
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to change everything, but you know, I got it. I
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: was like, listen, the creative end of it and the
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: production end of it feed into each other and definitely
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: overlap in a lot of ways. But they also are
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you're sort of serving different masters to a degree, but
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: ultimately not You're also serving the story, you're serving the product,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: you're serving what goes on the screen. But anyway, again,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I'm all over the place, but it's.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: All good, Jamie. I tend to have that effect on people.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: You're like a therapist. You're just giving me the opportunity
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: to ramble.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if you go back and listen to episodes, like
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: one out of every two guests, we'll say, Dave, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: don't know why, but every time I come on you podcast,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I just start rambling or I go in those other
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: directions or you know. And I said, no, it's a
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I have that effect on people, you know, longer answers
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I think it's a great thing. Actually,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So I mean it's it becomes a stream of consciousness,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's good.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And make sure you'd get out of here. That's what
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. You may appreciate that. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: then you know, we as we talk about screenwriting. You know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you when you were working all
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: these other different productions. You know, I'm sure at one
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: point or another you got to read the screenplay. Did
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: that have like a lot of effect on you? How
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: of how to actually, you know, write screenplays? Because because
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you know you're actually seeing movies, I mean, you're you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: beyond a reader at that point, because now you're actually
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: you know, any of these movies are actually in production
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: right now, so there has to be something valid about
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: this screenplay. Did you ever get a chance to read
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the screenplays? And if so, you know, what did you
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: take away from?
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Oh? I mean, I it's funny. I've worked with some
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: people on productions that you know, I'll be like, oh,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and then did you read this in the script? And this?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I read them immediately, sometimes before I even start. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: It's one of the first things I asked, when asked
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: for when I'm even considering doing a project, be like, well,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: let me see the script and if you know, if
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: it makes sense it speaks to me. I meanwhile, go
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: back and look at my resume. They haven't all been
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: me being really choosy about the content. But but I
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: try to be. I do try to. I do try
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: to make sure that I it's something that I enjoy
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: working I would enjoy working on. So yeah, I read
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: the screenplays every time I have worked with people that
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: don't know because there's certain disciplines within the making of
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: like a movie or TV show where you don't necessarily
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: have to read. Like every screen show, up to set,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: people tell you what to do, it gets done, you
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: go home whatever, which is certain certain crew positions. But
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: with mine, as I've as I've progressed sort of up
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the proverbial ladder there. I yeah, I find it crucial
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: to read the screenplay and I mean it's funny to me.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: It has definitely affected my writing. I one of the
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: one of the first scripts I read really affected me,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: and it was as specifically really affected split as I
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: had the opportunity to work on Elizabethtown, which was Cameron Crowe,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: which is one of my still is. Say what you
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: will about his recent the steps we might call him,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: but I uh, I love the guy. I think he's
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: a master. I think he's great. This showtime show rodies
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: that he did. It was not perfect, but I enjoyed it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: But so I got to work on Elizabethtown. I was
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: so I was so young at that point too. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: was so just over the moon that one of my favorites,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: probably at the time, my favorite writer director was coming
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to my town to make a movie and it was
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: amazing and I got to work on it and he
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: was super cool and I have all these great stories
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: from it. But I got to read that script and
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I it was just this revelation of just like, Wow,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: this is good writing. And I can't explain what it
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: was about it. It was just the way it flowed
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the way it felt like. It felt like Cameron Crowe
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: is a director that I knew him to be just
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: because I had seen his movies, was speaking directly to me,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: like was talking to me about the movie he was
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: gonna make. As I was reading the script, and I
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: could hear the characters and they were right in front
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: of me, and it was just like this incredible experience
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: where I was like, Oh, this is good writing. It's terrific.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: And then that was also a very interesting learning experience
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: because say what you will about that movie.
• 29:58
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• 30:04
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• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It did not quite turn out to be as good
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: of as a movie as I thought the screenplay was.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I worked on a movie called It was The Business
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Trip at a certain point, and I guess it ended
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: up being this Vinces Fawn movie Unfinished Business. I think
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: they changed the title too. That script. I read it
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: on the train up to Boston as I was going
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: to work on that movie, and I was laughing out
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: loud like a crazy person, and it was one of
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the funniest things I had ever read. Somehow the movie
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: came out and it's like they had tried to take
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: all the funny out of it. I don't know what
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: happened in between and I was there. I don't know
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: if that's editorial, I don't know if that's I don't know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And it was a great group of people working on it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: It was a great group of actors. I don't It
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: was very strange, but that movie, you know, and I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: think I think that's the opinion held roundly about it,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: is that it just was not exactly an A plus
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: effort from most of the people involved, which is very
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: funny because the script, the jokes were very tight, it
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: was very it was a very funny thing. Like I
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: was like, this could be the next hangover. This is
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: gonna be really funny, and then there it went. But yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: I always, you know, and I read them a little
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: differently now, Like, especially from a production standpoint, I'll be
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: like reading through it and I'll just start clocking annoying
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: production things like oh, house on fire, okay, Oh there's
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: some kids all right, dogs, birds, that's annoying okay, and
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: oh glass breaking. You know, just like little things, you
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: sort of read them differently. It's like when you make
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: you know this experience too, when you make them, or
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: when you work in this for a living, you're an
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: annoying person. To watch a movie with my wife, my
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: wife's brother. Actually, at one point we left, I forget
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: what movie we were saying. So my brother in law,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: we were walking out of something. We started talking about
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: the movie me and Elizabeth my life. He said to me,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I always think I like a movie until I hear
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: you guys talk about so But yeah, no, I it
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: affected my writing, and it has affected my writing immensely
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: over time, just because I think a huge and again,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: i'm you know, and I want to write and I
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: want to be you know. All I'm saying is like
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not this like hugely accomplished screenwriter. At this point,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I have written a lot, and I do really enjoy writing,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: and I actually that's probably my favorite. I don't know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I say that's my favorite of the disciplines and it's
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the most rewarding to me. But then I'll get on
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: a set or I'll see something that I've done and
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, maybe directing, But I like directing stuff
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I wrote to one feats to the other, whatever. But
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: it's it's I think that in order to I think
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: it's about fifty to fifty, honestly, Like, in order for
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: you to be a good writer, you have to constantly
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: be writing, but you also have to constantly be reading
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the kind of work you want to be writing. You know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like making. It's a you know, it's
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: like directing as well, Like if you want to make movies,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: you want to make TV. You can't just create in
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: a vacuum. You know, you should be watching quality work
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: as well and not necessarily mimicking that, but learning from that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: You know, what, who was who? Who are reattributing this
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: quote to? Now I forget who exactly said it, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: what is the artists creating geniuses steel. You know, yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: there you go. So it's you're not necessarily you're not
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: necessarily reading or watching things to be able to imitate them,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: but but you're going to pull these sort of universal
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: ideas and truths out of them and sort of recreate
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: them in your own way, you know, Like I mean,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: take you know, Split the Bully movie. We did, like
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: it is a very by the numbers romantic comedy, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: it was very important to me to you know, spin
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the genre a little bit, not the least, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: not the least, which by making it the Bully Movie.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: But you know, there are a couple other little points
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: where it was just kind of like, I don't I
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: won't borre you with that write in this particular instance,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: but it's like, but yeah, the screenwriting. Being able to
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: read the work, especially like you're saying at the point
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: where it's like this is production ready, this is the
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: script you're going to go actually make. Reading that work
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: constantly over all of these years has one d I
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: think improved my screenwriting, and it also, you know, it
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: also makes it that much more like frustrating or interesting whatever.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: When you're working on something you're just kind of like
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: this isn't that good? Like I don't understand why this
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: got picked to be made versus X, Y or Z
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Blacklist script or like so and so other script that
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: is like just sitting on the shelf, you know, like
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: why is this happening versus all of these other things
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: that I know exist in the world. But yeah, no,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I mean I don't know all. Let in a very
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: long way to say, yes, I read the script. Yes,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I feel like I get and I'm very privileged to
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: be able to have access to that material from production
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and production for sure.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know true when you're when you're ever,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: you're making something you know, and you're you're you want
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: to see what else is out there and you and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: now because of the of the of the environment we
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: live in, you know, you can go online. There's there's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: screenplay resources all over the place. You know, you want
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to read the screenplay for whatever, you know, there's a
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: good chance it's out there. And so what happened?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I've read screenplays that for unproduced you know movies. I've
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: read screenplays for produced movies all sorts that stuff. Oh
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: did you just hear that update? Well, okay, cool, I
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I just I had a chime just a couple of
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: my screen on my desktop. It was like, oh, you
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: have a Java update. Sorry about that. I sort of.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Shed insert it in post because she'd make it some
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: big annoying thing. No, I didn't hear anything at all.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It'll be like that bird crow from from Citizen Kane
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: where all of a sudden, you know, like it was
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: just going all of them. Wow, you know they and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: they put that in there to wake up the audiences.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: That was like their shock because it was Yeah. One
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: of producers was like, I feel this is going all along,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: so or someone we'll put that in there.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: That's so funny. I've often h this is apropos nothing.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I always have my phone on vibrate. But I just
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: because you know whatever, being on sets and everything, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: just am afraid. But if I ever were to actually
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: have a ringtone, I really want to find the Wilhelm
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: scream and just have that be my ring tone, just
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: that like you know, like the Star Wars when the
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Stormtrooper gets hit that like the movie trope that the
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: sound is sound people always put in there.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: They're like, wow, there's actually a good Willhelm scream YouTube
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: cut and somebody yeah, all.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Of them, right, Yeah, yeah, it's so good. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: You know it's funny. I do you remember ring back tones?
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I know there's now we're going in a weird direction,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: but do you remember ring back tones?
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I always thought like, if you had a ring back tone,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: what if you just had something like the Wilhelm scream
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: or something just completely ridiculous, just went over and over again. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: and the first is like, god, damn, answer your phone.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Would be great. Yeah, I guess those went away. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: love it. Yeah, that's so funny. That's you're taking me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I just listened to the last episode too, and it
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: was it was very funny you and oh my god,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I forgot the guy's name. It was on your old
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: tree centaer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Talking about old video stores
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: is like, yeah, we remember old video stores. I'm like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: there's an old video store in my movie. Guys, the
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: old video stores are still around like that. The video
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: store we shot in is still in Louisville, Kentucky. But
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you talking about all the screenplay sources online too, makes
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: me think when I first moved to New York and
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: there was still like the tables of like people in
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Times Square would just like set up with like a
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: folding table and it would just be like printed copies
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: of like, hey, do you want to read Citizen Kane,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I've got it with a purple cover here for twist
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: twenty dollars, you know, and you'd go in like peruse
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: the like pile of printed out scripts. And that was
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: two like the Internet existed. It's just you know whatever,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: you're right, it's totally funny. Any script if you want
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: to read produced unproduced. Yeah, And we go through on
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: you know, like on John Wick. On john Wick two,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: we had like a code name, and like there was
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: all this security, all these different you know, watermarking, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: they like the intense amount of technology and security that
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: has to go into just keeping these things from keeping
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: the wrong people from getting a hold of these things
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and just popping them up on the line, because it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: so easy for just like one person to just be like, hey,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: there's a script of the new John Wick movie and
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: just zip it up online really quick. So there's so
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: much from a production standpoint, we have to like so
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: many hoops we have to jump through just to keep
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: you know, from random ye who's like getting a hold
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: of the copy and just throwing it up onto one
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: of those sites.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. That's what happened
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: in Tarantino with with the Hateful Light. Was that something?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: You know, somebody he gave the script out to somebody
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: and then somebody else was like, hey, look at this
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Tarantino script and they photocopy, didn't put it up online.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's it's a whole other operator.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I have a bunch of friend you know, because we're
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: carring New York and like all these Marvel Netflix shows
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: come through here and the amount of security, it's it
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: blows your mind how much security goes into just every
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: little Marvel production. It's the like they are probably the
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: most intense about it for good reason obviously, but they are.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah there, it's you know, it's a whole new world.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You just have to and even like somebody's I feel
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: like I had a friend work on one of the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Transformers movies and they were down to just like, yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: we watermark and we also on like a certain page
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: within the draft will change one letter in a different
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: spot on that same page for every person that gets
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: a script. I'm like, seriously, is that a real I
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: still don't know if that's a real thing. I don't
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: even know how you would do that from a logistical standpoint,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: but yeah, people were crazy about the security man. I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: but that would yeah, that would blow a movie. Honestly.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: There are certain TV shows too, it's like everybody.
• 39:59
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I also, though part of me finds it to be
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit too much sometimes because it's kind of like, listen,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: how many how what percentage of your audience is for
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: like a TV show or a movie or whatever, what
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: percentage of that audience is going to be like, oh
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: my goodness, the script is online. I'm going to go
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: read that script. I don't know how much of the
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: general public is actually reading screenplays.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't. I think what they're afraid of
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: is the sort of like you know, nerd sites so
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: to speak, like me, but like I if I've got
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: a screenplay, I wouldn't be like, hey, here's all the things.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of these sites that they're afraid
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of that read screenplays will talk about them and then
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, someone's watching a YouTube video,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: like you know, you know John Smith, who's not going
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: to read the screenplay, but he's watched this YouTube video
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: and they're just talking about it and now he's.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, sure, yeah, that's fair.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: That's why I think that they've sort of become locked
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: down the the A friend of mine and I were joking,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I think it was actual Mike actually Michael K. Snyder,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and we were joking around that the next big thing
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: in film is going to be a department created call
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: just called film security, where there's gonna be like literally
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: literally like somebody who's in charge or our team in
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: charge of scripts everything else, and be like everybody else
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: does their own thing now and we'll hand We'll be
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the ones in charge of handing out the scripts, getting
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: them back at the end of the day, prostricting the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Wi fi, all that good stuff.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Oh that's listen, there's there's there are things. There are
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: productions that have that. There are productions that have that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: We I work on a show called Billions and several
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: other shows around New York that I know of, like
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: we have there's all kinds of little sub departments that
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: didn't exist that exists now, Like we have an entire
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: green department. You know, we have a you know green
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: quote unquote, but like an eco minded department that goes
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: from set to set and like make sure that all
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: of our trash is separated into like recyclables and composts
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: and all of those things. And you know, they're tracking
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: the carbon flip print of the entire production, like how
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: many people stayed in hotel rooms that are how many
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: square feet for how many nights? And who traveled on
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: what planes. It's intense. And then you know, down to
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: what I'm surprised hasn't started happening is that you have
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to hire like a social media person on every production,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: you know, someone who is specifically in charge of you know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: like hey, keep our Instagram, Twitter and you know, snapchat
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: whatever up like during production so that anybody who cares
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: to follow it can go follow it. You know that
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: there's so many just the technology and the way that
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: people are consuming things, the pace at which people are
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: consuming and the volume at which they're consuming is it's
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: just changing everything. So yeah, there's departments are just going
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: to keep popping up up until like we just have
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: everything covered. There's just going to be thousands of people
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: working on every little TV show, which is only going
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: to be good for people in my position because it
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: just means more work. So all good things.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also I wanted to mention too, when I
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: was talking to Mike about the video stores that were gone.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I was just meeting like stuff like Blockbuster, Highwood Video,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: those guys. I mean, there's small mom and pop places.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I actually there's one right up the street from me.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: It's about thirty minutes away. But yeah, i know there's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: still places here and there, and I'm glad they're still open, honestly,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: because honestly, those are the places that that you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, like Quentin Tarantino, he worked at a
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: local video store and stuff like that, and I love
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: just you know, you know, honestly, I'm actually starting to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: go the other way, Jamie with a lot of things,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Like I used to be in love with Amazon and
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: how easy it was. Now now I'm just like, I'd
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: rather just go out now to a little mom and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: pop place and buy, buy whatever the hell I'm looking for.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: I yeah, I'm you know, it's I go back and
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: forth because it's just so obviously it's easy. It's amazing
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: to do Amazon to order things online and you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: and listen again, I'm in New York City. We like,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I barely even leave the apartment sometimes because the food
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: will come to me at three in the morning if
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I want it to and whatever cuisine I like. So
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: the ease is terrific. But I know exactly what you're saying,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and I think I've reached a little bit of fatigue
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: with it as well. I recently started really buckling down
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: on ordering comics online because I have a great little
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: spot right down the street from me that's like a
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: little indie comic shop that sells a lot of zines
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: and sort of the you know, interesting more highly curated,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: uh sort of titles. But then, you know, I hop
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: on the train and I get into Union Square and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I've got my little local comic shop here that has
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: just everything under the sun. And I spent a good
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: few years just ordering like you know, like, oh, the
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: new Saga's out, or oh the new Walking Dad or right,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: and I would just order it on Amazon. And now
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I've really I've really kind of changed my
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: tone and just like, why am I it's right there.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I should just go down the street support these local businesses.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, No, I totally get that, and I think
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: and I think that's a thing that we're all probably
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: going to start experiencing, and it's only going to be
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: good for those little mom and pop businesses. I just
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: you know, brick and order stores. You want to talk
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: about a tangent, I could go off about how I'm
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: just convinced we're all going to be living the movie
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Wally within the next like ten years. But you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: we all just fight the goods, fight best we can.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: But no, I'm totally on your on track with that
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: same as you.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Mark Zuckerberg he announced his plan to
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: do away with the smartphone and it's all about AR
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: mixed with a little bit of VR mixed with a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: little bit of AI. And it's just like I honestly,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think that maybe if you if we baby
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: step this out, but I think like if you were
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to try to radically just change things overnight, like with
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: with an AR VR AI combo, Like I think, what
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: he what he's trying to do where it's like, you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: because there's also a company that's trying to get rid
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: of computers as we know them, and it's just going
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to become that an augmented reality system where you're just
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: kind of like moving parts around. I'm just like, yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that that might be good, but you know, I don't
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: know if how long that's gonna take for everyone to
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: actually transition. I mean, my god, they just killed fifty
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: six k modems in this country a while ago, right,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, or an analog and analog cable signals.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Though, man, there's still listen, there's still people all over,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: you know, not necessarily a ton of people on the coast,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: but there's people all over, you know, the middle of
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: this country that still have dial up internet, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: like it's it's I don't know, man, I don't think
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: that I even have I have guys on set. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: have guys that work on sets still that I'll be like, oh,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: yeah'll email you a call sheet. No, no, I don't email.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have to print me one, Like who are you?
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: How do you not have the email? But these people
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: still exist. So I think that you know, the Zuckerbergs
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: of the world, and you know Elon Musk and like
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: everybody's technology, everyone is just sort of stuck in this
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: loop of like it always has to keep going at
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: this exponential rate that it's been going. I'm not saying
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: it needs to slow down, but I think, like I
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: have a lot of thoughts about V that I just
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: am convinced VR. A lot of people are really hitching
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: their wagons to the VR thing, and I don't necessarily
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I'm personally in this.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: It's hard to when you're speaking from your own personal position,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: like you know, it's hard to say, like, you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: maybe the kids will be really into VR. I don't think.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know. But I as a person sitting at
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: my age and what I do for a living, I
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: do not ever think I am going to watch a
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: movie specifically made or a television show or anything like
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: that that is specifically made for VR. I just I
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: just don't know that that content is ever going to
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: catch on for me or people like me. I just
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: don't think about it. I don't think, but I was.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: But that being said, I do think that there are
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: very incredible and there's a lot of potential for VR
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: in a lot of ways. Because so I was out
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: at Sundance, not this year, but the past year, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I got somehow another got looped in with like the
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: ILM people, and they were doing, uh a VR like demonstration.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, well let me see what
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: this is all about. It's im I'll see. So I
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: put on a helmet and whatever, and all of a sudden,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I'm on tattooed and there's bdaight and that great, the
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: coolest thing ever. So uh and they were like, well,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: we do other movies too, And then all of a
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: sudden I was walking around with a velociraptor and I
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: was like, all right, this is actually too nope, too real. Stop,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I'm actually scared. Quit it. There's a velociraptor in my face.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: So but they you know, and I was just like, okay, cool,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: that was a fun trick. Guy. Thanks. And they were like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: well you work in movies, right, yeah, I mean that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: sort of my thing. They were like, all right, well
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: let's talk about some practical implications. So then they start
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: showing they flip it over to it was some production.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was for an actual production
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: or something that they just sort of mocked up. But basically,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: if you're going to go, if you're working on a
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: movie and you're gonna build, say like in a however
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: many hundred thousand foot warehouse, a huge spaceship, or you're
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: going to build a mansion set or something like that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: There they started showing me these like schematics for these sets,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: but they actually had built the sets out entirely in VR,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: so that you could put a camera in a certain
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: camera position, see exactly what your shot was going to
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: be on your fake set that hadn't been built yet,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: so that you could have every idea about every potential
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: shot in your movie on this set that was completely
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: not even existent yet, just through VR, so that you
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: wouldn't spend any money at all, being like, oh, no,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: actually that doesn't quite work. We're gonna have to rebuild her.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Oh the measurements aren't quite You do all of your
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: pre planning in VR, and then you you know, it's
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: the whole like measure twice, cut once thing you've measured
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: a million times digitally, and then just go out and
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: build the thing, and everything's going to go exactly as planned,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: you know. And I'm sure that's not exactly how it works,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: but like that kind of thing is a practical application
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: that I think and you think about that, like you
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: can do that before you build a hospital. You can
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: do that before you like that's the real world stuff
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: that I think.
• 50:01
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• 50:07
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• 50:10
  Speaker 4: VR is gonna be huge for I don't think VR
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: is gonna be a huge storytelling medium in the way
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: that people are sort of hitching their wagon too, If
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: that makes sense.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I concur I I just I think that VR
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: is gonna be a lot like what three D was,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: where you know, the glasses and then they had to
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: watch you had to get the three D TV and
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: had a three D you know, Blu ray and And honestly,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: of all the friends that I have who are huge
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: in the movies, the movie going experience, or the movies
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: every weekend, only one of them actually went out and
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: actually bought something like that. And he has a ton
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: of disposable income where he can actually buy stuff like that,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: because like, honestly, even if I had like a ton
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: of extra money, I don't even think I'd buy that.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: And it's and you know, I I just that same
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: way I feel about VR. I just would rather, you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: have a better story. And plus I don't feel like
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: having my eyeballs burned out every which way I keep
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: turning because like smartphone screens are bad enough, and it's
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: just like I don't need to be staring at another
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: screen for twelve hours, fourteen hours a day. And but yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: so I mean, I yeah, I definitely concur about that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I mean honestly that So that's why I think that,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of the trial and error
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: too with technology. I know you mentioned technology they always
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: have to feel like has always has to be pushed forward.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: But even if we just you know, but I think
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: it's more of it there are trying to push it forward.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on Matt, and I think I
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: think they realize too, like the Elon Musk's and the
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: and the exerc works, it's gonna be a lot of
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: trial and error because I mean, Elon Musk is the
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: CEO of three different companies, and I guarantee you I
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: honestly sometimes I think that he even knows he's overreaching,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: and I think he just keeps doing it for for
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: you know, just because he either because he can or
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: maybe he just thinks, you know, if he throws up
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: enough hail Mary's, one of them has to pay.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Right right right? Oh? Absolutely? Yeah? And hey, you know
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: what these are the people. These are the people in
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: large part giving us a lot of this great stuffs
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: that you know, Listen, I am look at what we're
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: doing right now. I am sitting in New York City,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: You're sitting in Philadelphia. We I am speaking into the
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: air in my apartment and we are going to digitally
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: project this to the world at some point. You know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: it's where it's the whole Louis c. Cabe. Actually this
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: is the email signature in my uh when I send
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: an email just as sent from space because of this
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: whole Louis c. K bit where he's talking about some
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: guy yelling into his phone on the or is it
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: yea yelling about the Internet working on his on an
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: airplane or something. If it's just like give it a second.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: It is going to space. Just give it half a second.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: So like I I'm I'm always the first person to
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: just be like, guys, we are living in the future.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I talk to my I talked to one of the
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: three robots I have in my house, and I asked
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: that robot to turn the lights off when I go
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: to sleep at night. You know, I talk to my
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Amazon Echo thing and I say Echo bedroom light off,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: and it goes off, and I genuinely that has not
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: stopped being cool. You know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I gotta room to the vacuums my floor. I got
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: you know, it's you know, like whatever, like we were
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: living in the Jetsons guys, it officially happened, you know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: and it's it's funny, you know, growing up around the
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: same time. I think as I think we did you
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: ever off flying cars? Whatever? Guy's flying? Who needs flying cars?
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: That just sounds dangerous and terrible to me. We're talking
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: to robots in our house telling them to do things,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: and we have all of the world's information at our fingertips.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: No longer will you beat a bar being like, oh
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: and what was that movie with the one guy and
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: the thing? Yeah, that you have that answer. Anyone can
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: pull the computer out of their pocket and have that
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: answer in ten seconds.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It's the future is now, and I for one, just
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: love it. And you know, in large part, these are
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: the guys who are making this happen. This is so funny,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: my echo, because like Star Trek, we've we've called her
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: a computer. So every time yep, she just came on again.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry anyway, but man it, you know, I try not
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: to be like, all right, let's all slow down. It's
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: all moving too quickly, because I love it. I love
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: all the cool technology that we're able to play with,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: especially within the especially within the storytelling space. Yeah, you know,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: it's uh, it's all happening really fast. So it's like,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: maybe instead of moving on to the next thing, let's
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: try to perfect some of the things that we have. Yeah. Yeah,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but that's that's that's I feel like,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: I feel like we've covered about twenty different conversations for
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: another time, but we'll just dive. We'll just diving into
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: them all here. And I love that.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to talk about Split. I mean,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: you know, just sort of going back to Split. I
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: do want to say, you know, you shot your short
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: film in twenty ten and then in twenty fifteen you
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: actually made it into a feature film, and you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I guess I know, we were talking about so many
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: different topics. I'm like, we actually should talk about Split.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm telling you. That's what a great
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: interview you see somebody on like like a Stephen Colbert
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: or like an Old Letterman episode, and I just did.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: At the very end, they're like, oh, right in your album,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: let's talking, is your album come out? But yeah, I
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: mean we did. Yeah, we did the short in twenty ten.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: We actually shot the movie in twenty twelve, came out
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: in August I think it was August second, twenty sixteen.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: It was about four years of post which is what
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: happens when you you know, yeah, I'm sure it's been
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: said on this podcast probably a hundred times. Good, fast
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: and cheap. You know, I wasn't going to sacrifice good,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: so I wasn't going to sacrifice good and I and
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I couldn't sacrifice cheap, so fast went out the windows.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: So I've had a lot of people working on favors,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: and you know, if you have some who's doing a
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: lot of really great post production work for you, and
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: then they're just like, hey, I have to go to
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Montreal to work on a movie that's gonna pay me
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of money and you're paying me none money.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Then I'm like, all right, cool, Well we'll just uh,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: I'll do maybe some sound work over here with this
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: other part. You know, you just kind of have to.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: So it took us a little while to get it
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: out into the world, but uh so yeah, we were
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: like in post production movie ready to go, you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: for the most part, and just sort of like having
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: to get some other little pieces out. And then I
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: saw I think it was somebody just sent me a
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: text or something with the trailer of like coming to
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Sodent from Nimnight Shump. No, you know what it was.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: It was a news rooms like the announcement of the
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: fact that he was gonna make a movie called Split.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh boy, what's this gonna be,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: you know, and people should we change the title, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's our title. We were here first,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: what are you talking about? But yeah, so yeah, So
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: we came out in two thousand and six, and it's
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: uh yeah, it's been a fun little ride, man, it's
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: you know, still continuing. We are on If you're an
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Amazon Prime subscriber, we are one of the one of
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: the movies you can watch for free as part of
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: your Amazon Prime subscription. We are also available to rent
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: or purchase on iTunes. We're on. This is actually something
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: that's been amazing through the distribution process that I just
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: so much of it's new to me, but this particular
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: part they're like, okay, we're gonna put you. So you're
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: on iTunes. I'm like, okay, got it, Xbox Oh you can, okay,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: that didn't know you could do that great PlayStation that
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: one too great? Also Voodoo so okay, what's that. It's
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Walmart streaming service. Oh well, okay, cool, there's that I
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: just learned about. We're on probably I think I want
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: to say, like fifty different platforms. I knew maybe three
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: of them existed. So that's uh, that's been a fun
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: little ride. But yeah, man, it's it's it's just good.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: You know, we just made a cute little movie and
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: everything that I said from the beginning, I was like, listen,
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: there's not enough bowling movies out there. I like rom comms.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Let's make a bowling rom com so that we're not
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: doing the exact same movie people have seen a hundred
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: times and we're having a little fun with it, and
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: I you know, I want people to go on like
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: a date night, or I'll want people's like folks to
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: go or somebody to be able to take their kids,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: you know, probably around the age of twelve or thirteen
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: year older kids and just you know, walk out of
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: the movie and just say, huh, that was cute. All
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I was going for. We're not changing the world here.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make some sort of like huge,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: amazing message. I just want people to leave say that
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: was cute, and then be like, you know what we
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: haven't done in a while, Let's go bowling. So then
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: then people are going bowling. And that's really just what
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: we set out to do, and that's what I think
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: we accomplish. It's been a lot of fun and it's
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: only been only been made a little bit more interesting
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: by the fact that one of the most polarizing directors
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: of a generation decided to make a multiple personality serial
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: killer movie. I'm the same name. That's it. It's about
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: where we are.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. As gain as we were talking about
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: me in the pre interview, I actually, you know, it's
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: just funny because about my friend who actually found Split.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, there's another movie out called Split.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Did you hear about this? And I said, I said yeah,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I said, actually I'm talking to the He looked at
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: me so odd. When I said yeah, I'm actually talking
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: to the director tomorrow. He goes, what, Yeah, are you
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: screwed with me?
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Here yeah, it's like what I'm because like because one
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: of my friends was finally like, he goes, Dave, I'm
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: just gonna ask you if you've heard of these guys.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: He's like, you see to know everybody, And I said, well,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: thank you. I try.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: But turned out turns out that's so funny. I had
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: a coworker who I guess it was back in like
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: February or March, had had went to go see The
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Shaman Split and as they were walking out, somebody was like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: you know, I tried to find a stream of this online,
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: but I got some stupid bowling movie. Have you had?
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• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: It's also that's that's been that's been interesting, you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: like it is is what it is. But you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: people who are going out to watch a horror movie
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: that I guess on some sort of excites again things
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with, but I think like Torrents or streets,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: something somewhere out in the world in a very popular place.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: It seems that our movie has been basically it's all
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: of the artwork, all of the synopsis, everything completely out
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: there in the world for it pretty early on it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: said split as if it were the Shamalan split. But
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: then you clicked on it and you got our movie.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: So we've gotten a ton of people that were not
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: happy about that happening. So that's that's been you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: it's been something. But you know, in fairness, there have
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: been there been you know, here and there, there have
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: been plenty, They've been plenty enough people, you know that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: have just been like, hey, I found this totally wasn't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: the horror movie, but it's pretty good. Great, thanks guys.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: You know. But somewhere, somewhere, somewhere along the line on
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: some sort of like back channel torrent the put movies
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: up for free place, those wires got crossed. Actually iTunes
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: at one point, big you know, awesome apples. I'm all
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: on the Apple train. I love them all, I have
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: all their products. The hate at one point had what
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: was it it was our movie, it was our movie.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: You it was where you went to like find hours.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: But then down at the bottom all of the trailers
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: were for the Shyamalan movie. So it was like even
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: iTunes had some of their wires crossed, which is and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: again and then apparently there's a third split movie that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: came out in twenty sixteen that I you know that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: is just out apparently like a completely out there sort
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: of my screw of a movie that I also haven't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: you know that I that I haven't seen that I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: know exists. So hey, you know what, it's a very
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: popular little five letter word. What can I say?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: We should sit down together, you myself, m Night Shyamalan,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: and the other and another guy from that third split,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: and we should the four of us can compare all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: of them back and forth.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: Oh I what I wouldn't get? What I wouldn't give
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: to just hear from anyone in the like Shyamalan camped
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: to just say, hey, guys, yes, we know there's a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: bowling movie. Isn't that funny? Like just something like how
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: many people? How many people have taught? How many people?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: And I'll just go to my deathbed, I'm sure wondering this.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: How many people have gone up to m Night Shyamalan
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: have been like, hey, do you know there's a bully
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: movie called h If It's happened once, it's enough to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: make my lifetime. That's that's really truly the case.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: You know you know what, you know I should tweet
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: m night after this, after this interview, I should tweet
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: him about it and do it. And see, I mean,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: let's let's be honest, there's a ninety nine nine percent
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: chance he's not gonna respond to me because he's gonna
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: be like, wait a minute, isn't this that weird guy?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: And that's how the best how most people usually say
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: from my I remind people, isn't this that weird guy?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: From that thing?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: But I'd say there's also a ninety nine point nine
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: percent chance he doesn't run his own Twitter, So there's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: also that.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: He well he actually does. Oh yeah, it's all it's
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: all him.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Well that's cool. That's after that. That's like
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  Speaker 4: mad respect for him because like I'm there's so many
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  Speaker 4: people that like spend so much time making it seem
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  Speaker 4: like it's them, but it's not actually that, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Oh yeah, so that's actually really cool.
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  Speaker 4: If that's legit him, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's apparently the because uh, I mean obviously you know,
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  Speaker 3: just from other people they've said, yeah, that's actually him
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  Speaker 3: doing it all. And then like Kevin Smith, he does
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  Speaker 3: all his own apparently, and uh, because I had a
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  Speaker 3: friend of mine whose job when he went out to LA,
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  Speaker 3: his first job was actually running celebrity Twitter accounts, and
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  Speaker 3: that like he would actually just to make sure it
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  Speaker 3: looks like them. So then he ended up doing stuff
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  Speaker 3: for like a couple of adult film stars, like doing
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  Speaker 3: their social media. And he said he got so burned
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  Speaker 3: out because you can imagine, like it was just a
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  Speaker 3: constant bunch of like weird, creepy guys going like, hey, well,
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  Speaker 3: I can't yeah, we have sex with me.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I can't even imagine. I can't. I can't
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  Speaker 4: even imagine how tough it is to just be a
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  Speaker 4: woman on the internet in general. But just oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 4: oh hoof Yeah, I can imagine that would burn that
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  Speaker 4: would that would cause a person to burn out pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has a lot of other weird stories
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  Speaker 3: which I which I won't go into right now. But
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  Speaker 3: but but but Jamie, you know, I mean we've been
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  Speaker 3: talking for about an hour and five minutes now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I know, we you know, just to talking about split.
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  Speaker 3: You know, is there anything you know we didn't get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to talk about that you wanted to sort
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  Speaker 3: of talk about, or anything you wanted to say sort
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  Speaker 3: of put u PERI at the end of this whole conversation.
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  Speaker 4: I mean not necessarily, I would, you know. I I
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  Speaker 4: think I got in all of my all of my
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  Speaker 4: little plugs for the movie. I mean, that's that's really,
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  Speaker 4: that's really the the important thing as far as I
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  Speaker 4: kind of you know, and I think just as a
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  Speaker 4: person that comes and does any sort of podcasts like
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  Speaker 4: you're on, like I'm actually I'm having a great time talking.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean anybody who's listening. If you're interested
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  Speaker 4: in seeing, if you like romantic comedy, if you like
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  Speaker 4: bowling one or the other, especially both, please go see
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  Speaker 4: Split Not the m Night Shyamalan movie, the world's first
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: romantic bowling comedy. We are the easiest place to find
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: all the play all the ways we're available, is just
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: to go to Derby Cityproductions dot com like Louisville, Kentucky,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: the like the Kentucky Derby so Derby City Productions Plural
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  Speaker 4: dot com. And that's uh, you know our trailers there,
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  Speaker 4: and there's an Amazon button if you want to watch
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  Speaker 4: it on Amazon. There's a you know, Google play by
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: and how I pick your poison. It's all right there.
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  Speaker 4: You can also follow us on Facebook and Twitter. Around
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  Speaker 4: both of those, it's just Facebook dot com slash Split
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  Speaker 4: the movie and Twitter dot com slash Split the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure you put the dun there because if you
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  Speaker 4: just do split movie, you go right to Shyamalan, which
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: is which has probably led to the most hilarious Twitter
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  Speaker 4: conversations where people had sort of tagged Split the move
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  Speaker 4: tagged us thinking they were tagging the Shyamalan movie, which
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  Speaker 4: I just can't help but have somebody from outside respond
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: to every time it happens. And it's also no, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there have been some pretty hilarious there's specifically when it
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  Speaker 4: first when the other Split came out. Uh, there was
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  Speaker 4: a guy who did a whole Facebook status update that
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  Speaker 4: somebody had sent me about how he, you know, he
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: enjoys a little herbal refreshment from time to time. This
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: guy and he got a little bit, uh, got a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: little bit greened out, a little bit blazed out, sat
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: down and thought he was watching a horror movie. And
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  Speaker 4: he just does this whole account of how he got
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  Speaker 4: point for point through our movie, thinking like, when is
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: this guy gonna turn and start kidnapping girls? When is
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: this When's he gonna murder somebody. Like he gets through
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: pretty much the whole movie, and then eventually it's like,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: wait a second, James McAvoy's not in the Like, what's
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  Speaker 4: amazing to me about that? Is my name as the
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  Speaker 4: director is. I don't think you make it two three
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  Speaker 4: minutes into the movie before you see that, and you know,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: like it says directed by not m Night Shyamalan in
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  Speaker 4: very clear print in the movie. Maybe he just keeps
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  Speaker 4: happening it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he thought that was another alter ego of the song.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe and he goes, oh, it's not. It's not Emma's
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  Speaker 3: Shyamalan directed this. It's his alter ego Jamie Duckner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's my Yeah, that was my that was
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  Speaker 4: my go to. Uh. When this first started happening, too,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: was like what a twist, right, guys? It was a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: bullying movie the whole time. Alam Night, It's always got
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  Speaker 4: some sort of twist in store for you. No, man,
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  Speaker 4: I think I think you know, we we've covered, we've covered,
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  Speaker 4: We've covered quite a bit. I don't think that there's uh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, here's the thing, like with
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: your podcast, Uh, the episodes I've listened to it seems
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: like a lot of your audience is going to be
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: people wanting to get out there and sort of do
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: it on their own, or are doing it on their own,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: or just you know, I all I if I have
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: maybe two cents worth of advice to offer, it's just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's all the reason in the world to
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  Speaker 4: get swayed away from doing it. But if you have
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: what I was talking about earlier, and you have that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: that inability to do anything else and you just have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: to be telling stories and you have to be doing this,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: then don't let anyone stop you from doing it. It
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: took us years and years to get this movie made,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: and so much got in the way, and so much
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: you know, tried to whatever. Like there's there's always hurdles.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Just get out there, start making something, and by all means,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: finish it because there are so many The most amazing
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: stories to me are when people are like, oh, yeah,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: I got on this movie and then we shot it,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: and then this happened, and then I got into posts
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: and then it just kind of never went anywhere, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I do not know how anyone could ever
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: get into that position, like just put it out on YouTube.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Or something like you just get out there, have your
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: story told. There's too many ways for you to just
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: get your get your story out into the world these days,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: and it's just it's too everything is too readily available
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: for you to have any excuse to not just be
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: out there telling your story. So get out there and
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: do it. If if this is the right space to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: just like throw that advice at anybody, but it seems
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: like your your listenership would probably appreciate that.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I completely uh, I think this is the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: best best spot to put that in that Yeah, and
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: thank you for saying that. And I I know exactly
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: where you're coming from. You know, we get sort of stuck.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I mean I've been there, honestly, Jamie. But that's a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: whole nother story for other time. But uh, Jamie Bucker,
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  Speaker 3: thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: For coming on, buddy, absolutely, man, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: Great talking with you.
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  Speaker 3: Great talk you to Jamie and listen. Whatever you could
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  Speaker 3: do next, you know, let me know, and you know
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I want to bring you back on. We'll talk about
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: whatever you have coming out next. And because I'd love
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: to have you back.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Oh great, Yeah, I'd love to come back on for sure.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Man, I want to thank Dave so much for doing
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: such a great job on this episode. If you want
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv.
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  Speaker 2: Forward slash for forty seven. Thank you so much for listening, guys,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: As always, keep on writing no matter what. I'll talk
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: to you soon.
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