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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 3-24-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 2: Have it Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to the Shan O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 3: ninety to one FM. Glad to be with you once again.
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  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiays is gonna join us. In about half an hour.
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  Speaker 3: We'll do some Red and Blue brought to you by
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  Speaker 3: Murdock Ford Santa Quinn with Jerem Jordan, and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: talk a little NFL upcoming draft, offseason storylines. Jeff Schwartz
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  Speaker 3: will swing by as he often does on a Tuesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: Utah Spring football back in action today. Morgan, Scally and
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  Speaker 3: company get another practice in as Look, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of questions around this team that if it were a
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  Speaker 3: normal coaching situation, if it were, oh, another year of
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham, we probably would be more focused on position
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  Speaker 3: battles and things like that. Because Morgan is just taking
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  Speaker 3: over this program, the big picture storylines are a lot
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  Speaker 3: easier to get lost in, or a lot easier to
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  Speaker 3: get focused on. Still, though, I'm really really curious to
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  Speaker 3: know what the wide receiving Corps ends up being.
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  Speaker 2: We talked with Sammy Moore about it yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: We get about thirty minutes of practice observation time in
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  Speaker 3: at the end of practice today. My hope is it's
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  Speaker 3: not just like a bunch of punt team stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: we can actually see some good matchups and see who's emerging,
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  Speaker 3: who's ready to be playmakers. It happens every year around
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  Speaker 3: the country, team around the country where you get to
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  Speaker 3: spring football and you have like you're established. I know
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  Speaker 3: this is gonna be okay. You her I think this
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  Speaker 3: is gonna be okay. You have your well, let's figure
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  Speaker 3: this one out, and for once at the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, okay, quarterback knock on wood. Even in what
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  Speaker 3: we feel like is a less than ideal scenario, the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback situation should be all right. And that is the
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  Speaker 3: straw that stirs every drink in college football. So now,
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  Speaker 3: what about the offensive line replacing five guys, all of
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  Speaker 3: whom I think are gonna at least gonna get their
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  Speaker 3: cup of coffee. In the NFL, We're gonna be focused
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  Speaker 3: on Spencer Fono and Kayleblomu, But I think that everyone
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  Speaker 3: is gonna at least get an opportunity to play some
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  Speaker 3: professional football. They're at least going to be invited to
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  Speaker 3: a camp undrafted free agent type tank. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: would be surprised. I guess coump is he's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit past the age that a lot of times teams
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  Speaker 3: really want to take big risks. But a guy like that,
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  Speaker 3: you're absolutely gonna call and see if he wants to
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  Speaker 3: come in as an undrafted free agent at the very least.
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  Speaker 3: And then of course there's there's the UFL. There's the
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  Speaker 3: non NFL football opportunities that are still out there, and
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  Speaker 3: most of those are not pathways that lead back to
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  Speaker 3: the NFL, but are there are ways that you can
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  Speaker 3: kind of stay in and around the game.
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  Speaker 2: There's also the coaching stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So look, I'm really really excited to see what this
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  Speaker 3: team ends up being in twenty twenty six, But I'm
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  Speaker 3: not so excited that I'm going to let it delude
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  Speaker 3: me from focusing on what we do get to see
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  Speaker 3: and what maybe we don't get to see. When it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the practices being put together the spring ball
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  Speaker 3: is always important. I know that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: folks who want to deemphasize the spring football scrimmage and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and that makes sense. But with this new transfer portal window,
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  Speaker 3: this new singular transfer portal window, spring football is once
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  Speaker 3: again massively, massively important. In the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 3: it was actually just kind of like a weird stopover, like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to get these practices in, but you're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna know a lot about your roster because there's another
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  Speaker 3: window opening and guys are gonna leave. And of course,
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  Speaker 3: that happened to Utah last offseason. That happened to a
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  Speaker 3: lot of teams that you watch around the country last offseason.
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  Speaker 3: This year, you're back to a single transfer portal window.
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  Speaker 3: The roster is what the roster is going to be
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  Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty six football season, with I guess
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  Speaker 3: probably a few exceptions. It's I'm curious, can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: see it. And I know that everyone's talked about the
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  Speaker 3: kind of breath of fresh air of the Morgan Scalley takeover.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't disclosure, full disclosure, I have not. Actually I
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  Speaker 3: didn't get to go down to the bowl game practices.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get to go down.
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  Speaker 3: To the Bowl game itself, right when Morgan was the
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  Speaker 3: head coach for that game. I've been out of town,
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  Speaker 3: so I've not been to the Chalk Talk, and I
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  Speaker 3: haven't been to the first open practice.
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  Speaker 2: So this will be the first one.
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  Speaker 3: I think, because I know Morgan, and because I know
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  Speaker 3: how Morgan has coached for the last twenty years, I
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  Speaker 3: think I know what it's going to look like.
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  Speaker 2: The picture I have in my mind's eye.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know when I go up there today
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  Speaker 3: and I get to watch the last half hour whatever,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know if my expectation meets the reality this,
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  Speaker 3: because that's one thing that whether you loved it or
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  Speaker 3: hated it. With Kyle Whittingham practices and a limited availability
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  Speaker 3: at Kyle Whittingham practices.
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  Speaker 2: You got there was a rhythm to it.
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  Speaker 3: There was a way that you could kind of like
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  Speaker 3: when you would go out there and you would see
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  Speaker 3: what was going on, it met your expectation.
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  Speaker 2: You were like, Yep, that's what practices look like under
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham. I mean, they.
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  Speaker 3: Weren't all that different from when I was a crappy
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  Speaker 3: walk on on that team. Under Kyle Whittingham, to when
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  Speaker 3: he was, you know, winning Pack twelve championships and being
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  Speaker 3: a big time coach. You knew kind of what you
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  Speaker 3: were getting. I think although my mental picture is different.
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  Speaker 3: I think, though I know what that's gonna look like
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  Speaker 3: with Morgan Scalley, but I'm excited to see it for
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  Speaker 3: the first time. Everyone else already has seen it for
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  Speaker 3: the first time. I'm excited to see it myself for
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  Speaker 3: the first time at practice today, and I will do
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  Speaker 3: my best to give you insight on for me the
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  Speaker 3: more important uh positional battles. I'm gonna be looking at
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  Speaker 3: the wide receivers. I want to know what the tight
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  Speaker 3: end room looks like because you've grown to have a
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  Speaker 3: certain amount of affection and love for the tight end
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  Speaker 3: position at the University of Utah. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: much you'll be able to gather from this offensive line
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  Speaker 3: because of the point I made yesterday where uh, you
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  Speaker 3: don't have a level to set off of, right like.
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  Speaker 2: We Okay, car CARSA Kalfusi is a good player.
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  Speaker 3: We know that.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond good player, what is he is?
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  Speaker 3: He? Dominant players? He all conference players, the All American
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  Speaker 3: level player. We don't know right, So when he's either
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  Speaker 3: stone walling offensive lineman or they're stonewalling him. Are we
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  Speaker 3: watching that and saying, Wow, this offensive line is awesome,
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to skip a beat, or are we
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  Speaker 3: saying like, oh, I don't know, like maybe our defensive
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  Speaker 3: line is not that good, maybe our offensive line is
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  Speaker 3: not that good. Like That's the one that's the hardest
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  Speaker 3: one to extrapolate any kind of conclusions from based on
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  Speaker 3: spring football, because we're not gonna get to see one
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  Speaker 3: on one pass rush drills. I don't think I've asked
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  Speaker 3: Morgan specifically for that. I don't know if we will
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  Speaker 3: or not. Uh, but that is like the highlight skill level,
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  Speaker 3: like the skill player type. When you see a guy
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  Speaker 3: jumping forty four inches up into the air and snagging
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  Speaker 3: a ball with one hand, whether it's against the worst
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  Speaker 3: corner on the team or it's against an All American corner,
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  Speaker 3: you get to look at and say, well, that guy
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  Speaker 3: just jumped off of planet Earth and he pulled down
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  Speaker 3: an incredible acrobatic catch. That's something that.
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  Speaker 4: You can kind of like, well that.
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  Speaker 2: That ability translates.
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  Speaker 4: We like the like the Larry Simmons catch that made
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  Speaker 4: the rounds on social media from Saturday's practice. Great example,
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  Speaker 4: Like there were comments on that post, on that Utah
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  Speaker 4: football post, all, well, the ball was underthrown and the
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  Speaker 4: terrible coverage Like, uh okay, neither of that's true. But
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  Speaker 4: also even if it was true, did you see the
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  Speaker 4: way he came back to the He came to the
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  Speaker 4: ball and caught that ball on the back of the
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  Speaker 4: defender there like he that you should be you should
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  Speaker 4: feel good about Larry simmons athleticism and his ball catch,
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  Speaker 4: his ball skills based off of that if.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing else, Yeah, right, if if you only get to
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  Speaker 3: take away like a five percent picture on the fullness
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  Speaker 3: of what that video was, you can say, well, whether
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  Speaker 3: the coverage is great, the throw is great. What we
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  Speaker 3: saw from Larry Simmons, right, there was a great adjustment
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  Speaker 3: and a great catch, And that's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: That's encouraging.
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  Speaker 3: That's great offensive line and defensive line because you're only
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  Speaker 3: getting what you're getting.
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  Speaker 2: If it were if we had.
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  Speaker 3: Like you could watch last year's practices, if you were allowed,
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  Speaker 3: and you could see John henry Day going up against
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  Speaker 3: Spencer Fono or Caleb Lomu, and you're just like, wait
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  Speaker 3: a second, these are two really good offensive tackles. So
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  Speaker 3: if he's getting some wins against them, maybe we should
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  Speaker 3: expect John Henry Daily to have a great year because
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  Speaker 3: you know what level to set right there's too much
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  Speaker 3: uncertainty on the interior, offensive and defensive lines right now,
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  Speaker 3: on the lines of scrimmage right now. But I'm still
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  Speaker 3: gonna do my best to try to get you what
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  Speaker 3: I think is a good eyeball test or not. And
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  Speaker 3: you could take that with the tiniest grain of salt,
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  Speaker 3: or you can tell me it's gospel, and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: just yell about it in the fall.
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  Speaker 4: Please, let's yell about it. Let's make a date to
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  Speaker 4: yell about things. No, maybe you can. Maybe you can
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  Speaker 4: do a.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know who I am?
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  Speaker 4: To Morgan scaley and maybe he'll just do hey, hey,
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  Speaker 4: practice is over, guys, except offensive and defensive line. You're
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  Speaker 4: gonna do one on one past rush drills for just
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  Speaker 4: this one person.
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  Speaker 2: That would be great, Morgan, if we could maybe yet
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  Speaker 2: have maybe he could.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is morganna be Yeah, dude, I know exactly
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  Speaker 3: who you are, which is why we're gonna give everyone
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  Speaker 3: else thirty minutes. If you we practice, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: ten you're gonna tag it. You get ted and pat fired.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, Excited about spring football practice today, Excited about.
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  Speaker 2: H Utah football in general.
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  Speaker 3: I know that people some people got mad at me
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  Speaker 3: yesterday because what we came on and we talked about UH,
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  Speaker 3: a fairly negative slant on again the UH, the saga
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  Speaker 3: of Kyle Whittingham's departure.
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  Speaker 2: It's done, it's over.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need to say anything about it again until
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  Speaker 3: we see Michigan football and we see Utah football player.
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  Speaker 2: I really like I had to put a bow on that.
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  Speaker 3: I had to tell you what I thought about the
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  Speaker 3: emails that were released and about the money, the dead
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  Speaker 3: money on the salary caps, so to speak. For this
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  Speaker 3: Utah athletic department, that's done. That's water under the bridge.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're upward. We're focusing on Utah football moving forward
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  Speaker 3: and on the local sporting landscape. And there was a
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  Speaker 3: massive story that broke Basically as I'm driving out of
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  Speaker 3: the parking lot yesterday is when it became at least
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  Speaker 3: semi official. We speculated on it, we talked about it
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  Speaker 3: with Sean Mooney yesterday. Utah State head coach Jared Calhoun
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  Speaker 3: is out. He is going to his alma mater. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to take over the basketball program at Cincinnati, and
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  Speaker 3: once again Utah State condolences, apologies Aggie fans. If there's
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  Speaker 3: any silver lining here, they know how to manage this better,
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  Speaker 3: far better than BYU or Utah does. They have been
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  Speaker 3: grown accustomed to this. This is the fifth coach since
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 4: So they had Yeah, they had Craigs. It started with
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  Speaker 4: Craig Smith leaving, leaving for Utah. So Craig Smith, then
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Odam, then Danny Sprinkle, then Jared Calhoun.
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  Speaker 3: So this will be number five unless oc Look, it
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  Speaker 3: makes sense that you at least call Craig Smith, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think he still lives here. He's here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was As far as I know.
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  Speaker 4: He's living on his buyout money and hanging out and
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  Speaker 4: like going to his kids basketball practices and games, and.
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  Speaker 3: Like he love he loves it here in Utah. I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I say that in a complete
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  Speaker 3: the opposite of a disparaging way. If you have a
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  Speaker 3: situation in life where somebody pays you not to work,
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  Speaker 3: by all means, don't work, all right, don't be especially
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  Speaker 3: if you've been grinding and you've been coaching, and you've
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  Speaker 3: been spending eighty hours in an office for decades, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then you got a little bit of scratch because
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  Speaker 3: they had to pay you a buyout, and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to spend some time with
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  Speaker 3: my family, and I'm going to spend some time doing
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  Speaker 3: the things that I've maybe missed out on doing absolutely
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  Speaker 3: and then who knows, maybe an opportunity opens up again
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  Speaker 3: in a place like Logan that you have a certain
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  Speaker 3: amount of affection for. I'm at least making that phone call.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this when Craig Smith was separated from
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  Speaker 3: his duties. You know, I was like, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think Craig Smith is a bad basketball coach who
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  Speaker 3: forgot how to coach. There's a fit question about how
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  Speaker 3: well what he was doing at Utah worked for Utah.
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  Speaker 2: There's you know, the kind of how do you phrase it?
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  Speaker 2: There was the question of.
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  Speaker 3: Whether or not optimal support was coming his way in
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  Speaker 3: the new landscape right at Utah st eight. My anticipation
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  Speaker 3: is they would welcome him back with open arms, because
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  Speaker 3: he had a lot of success for the Aggies. That's
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  Speaker 3: why he ended up at Utah instead of in Logan.
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  Speaker 3: It's a natural progression, right, It's a step up the ladder. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Utah State is now in this really interesting spot where
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  Speaker 3: I think regionally certainly, but also nationally, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a recognition that Utah State basketball. Hopefully Bronco and company
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  Speaker 3: can get football back to this place as well, but
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  Speaker 3: Utah State basketball there's an acknowledgment that it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: they're a mid major, but they're to be treated with
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more respect than a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: mid major programs. Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost like, and this would be at the very
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  Speaker 4: beginnings of things, not where they not where this program
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  Speaker 4: is right now.
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  Speaker 3: So keep that in mind as I say this.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna say Gonzaga, but it's almost like the very
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  Speaker 4: beginnings of Gonzaga. But it's I mean, yeah, it's they
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  Speaker 4: got a long ways to go to get to where
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  Speaker 4: Gonzaga is, but it's it's like at the very beginning
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  Speaker 4: of guys didn't at that time, what ninety nine people
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  Speaker 4: didn't envision Gonzaga being where they are now.
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  Speaker 3: It's I'm gonna use Steve Fisher, San Diego State in
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  Speaker 3: Diego State is yeah where it's like every now and
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  Speaker 3: again it's like whoa wait a second, or San Diego State,
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  Speaker 3: look at them there, championship made a final four a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago, a conference championship type team and look, oh,
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  Speaker 3: look at this. They got like some outlier NBA type
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  Speaker 3: dudes on that team with a lot more regularity than
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  Speaker 3: your average mid major team. And of course for San
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  Speaker 3: Diego State that was mostly pre transfer, pre nil and
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  Speaker 3: Utah State same thing.
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  Speaker 2: But they've they've.
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  Speaker 3: Created a really unique atmosphere and bubble up there. That is,
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  Speaker 3: it is transfer proof to a certain extent in a
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  Speaker 3: way that other schools are not. It is a coaching
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  Speaker 3: carousel proof in a way that other places are not.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean they are carousels still there. They just
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  Speaker 4: keep winning.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the carousel is there, but the the flux of
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  Speaker 3: the changes don't affect. It doesn't create this roller coaster thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I heard people talking about it. Are it Spence
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  Speaker 3: talking about yesterday? You know they they didn't talk about
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  Speaker 3: on Dan Patrick. Who's I listening to a national program?
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  Speaker 3: It'll come to me. And you know, they got their
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  Speaker 3: little they got their little mention about Hey, Utah State
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  Speaker 3: because they battled out hard against Arizona. And the proposal
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  Speaker 3: as to how and why, I think was an interesting
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  Speaker 3: one where it's it was suggested that at the top
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  Speaker 3: at Utah State, we're talking about university president level, we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about beyond university president level, sort of the community
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  Speaker 3: of boosters, Right, so the Utah State version of the
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  Speaker 3: Eccles and the Utah State version of the Garfs and
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  Speaker 3: the Gardeners that there's a love for basketball, and there's
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  Speaker 3: an understanding and a self awareness of where Utah State
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  Speaker 3: basketball is and belongs, and so they find the right
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  Speaker 3: kind of people to fit into that. And Craig Smith
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  Speaker 3: was that, and Jared Calhoun was that, and Coach Sprinkle
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  Speaker 3: was that, and it's they're on like a nice little
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  Speaker 3: run that doesn't come with any trophies necessarily at the
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  Speaker 3: NCAA tournament level, but at the conference level this year,
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  Speaker 3: I mean they went in the Mountain West, the turn
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  Speaker 3: Seas or the Turnament. I will never ever ever disparage
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  Speaker 3: a conference championship because to do so is disingenuous and
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  Speaker 3: it's also hypocritical, especially when even at the national media
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  Speaker 3: level now we lament the abandonment of regional college sports,
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  Speaker 3: and we talk about, oh, you know, like, I can't
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  Speaker 3: believe these teams are traveling across the country and they're
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  Speaker 3: doing all this stuff. If you have that feeling, and
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of people do, like, can we regionalize
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  Speaker 3: this little little bit more?
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  Speaker 2: Again?
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  Speaker 3: What conferences were the thing that made sports regional?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And the Mountain West Conference is still a regional conference.
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  Speaker 3: And to tell people like it doesn't. The only the
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  Speaker 3: only carrot that you should be chasing, and that's being
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: dangled in front of you that's worth anything is tournament
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: NCAA tournament success. I'm never going to be that guy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I refuse to be that guy with college football playoff inclusion,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: especially now that we're in an expanded format. Your conference
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: championship as an athlete, as a coach, as a program,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: as a university, your conference championship is your should be
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: your first goal. And once you start making that a
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: possibility or a realistic goal every year, now you can
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: start to aspire to greater things. But your conference championship
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: is a great accomplishment, and Utah State is still doing
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And so when we.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Look at how the landscape has changed and shifted and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: altered in a way that is a lot of times
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: detrimental to the Utah States of the world. And we
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: see that they are surviving it, and not just surviving,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: but thriving in this environment. It's something that we should
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: be studying that we should be trying to replicate everywhere
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: else that power teams, especially at the level of Utah
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: from a financial standpoint, should be looking at and saying,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: how are they doing it? And it takes a lot
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: of humility and a lot of self awareness to be like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: wait a second, we stole a coach from you, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: you guys still thrived, and unfortunately that coach didn't thrive
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: in the same way in our environment as he did
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: in your environment. Why he didn't forget basketball, ladies and gentlemen,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: It just why was the fit there better than the
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: fit here? And I'm not trying to single out Utah basketball.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: We know the difficulties that that program has had and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: we hope that it's on the turnaround, and we think
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Alex Jensen's right guy for it, But Utah State is
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: a Utah State Basketball is a case study that everyone
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: should be looking at, at least with they're raised eyebrow,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: just like, hold on a minute, what are you guys
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and how are you doing this? Because it's not because
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: they have a ton of money. I mean, Gonzaga now
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: has a ton of basketball money.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: They're not a they're not a mid major. They play
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: in mid major conferences, but they're not a mid major.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Correct, And if they were where Utah States had on
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: any part in their journey, it still wasn't a direct
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: analogy because they didn't have football to contend with at
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: their university. From a from a support and a spending standpoint, true,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: like Gonzaga is this weird outlier. Okay, so maybe San
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Diego State's better, And even then you're just like, okay.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: San Diego State basketball, though, has always.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Kind of been like on the same or above the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: level of their football program.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Utah State their football program. People in logan want greatness
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: for the football program, and they've produced some. I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner is gonna be a first ballot NFL Hall
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: of Famer. They've got they're gonna have two guys that
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: when the next list comes out or among the top
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: fifty NFL players of all time. Utah State, right, so
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: they've got to contend with that, and they're doing it successfully,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and they've done it now four or five coaches in
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a row successfully, and it's something that everyone should look
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: at and figure out. And if you can replicate what
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: they're doing, great, If you can't, you just handshake them,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: congratulate them, and say keep it up, Aggie's and I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: hope that the fix for the Jared Calhoun absence is
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: just as copasetic and successful as the recent fixes have been.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: It's it's fascinating to me. It's kind of a bummer
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: that there's this natural relegation promotion thing within the coaching
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: world where Jared Calhoun, he gets a chance to go
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: back to his alma mater and make three times as
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: much money coaching at his alma mater as he was
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: doing a really good job at Utah State, he kind
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of has to do it. The other increasingly interesting thing
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: here for me, three point nine million dollars is going
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: to come back to Utah State, and I think you're
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: gonna watch the Aggies do something that will help explain
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: why their basketball team continues to thrive despite some of
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: these changes. I think when that three point nine million
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: dollars comes back from coach Calhoun's buyout. Right, the plan
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: has already been They've already said the plan is to
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: use that at least partially for NIL, so.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Like, donate it to the NIL fund.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And there are a lot of places where they'd be
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the university would be like, oh, we get four million bucks,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: part all right, give that four million bucks to the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: next coach. I think that next coach certainly would want
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: to have that money. But in the modern landscape, we
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: just watched Utah's football coach give his money back to
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: the program for what not because he doesn't want the money,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: not because he doesn't need the money. What does he
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: need more than the money? He's talent. He needs players.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: You need talent, right If you ask every coach in
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: college basketball and college football and college curling, do they
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: have that in gymnastics? Most of them? Right now you're like, okay, coach,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: here's my qual tricks survey of the things that are
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: most important for you to have in your life right now.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Number one, safety and security for your family. Obviously, guess
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: what every Division one coach has that even if you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: at a mid major, you're making really good money.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: In the In the human world.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Things are things are being taken care of. And often
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: there's some kind of housing benefit to get a free car,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: So they're being taken care of. Like if you're making
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mickey Mental at Weber State was making a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: couple hundred grand to be the Weber State coach. Is
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it a glamorous, sexy number compared to ten million dollars
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: for some other football coaches. No, but a couple hundred
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: grand in Ogden, Utah is a healthy living.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: You can get yourself a nice place to live and
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: have a nice living there.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Your family's taken care of, all right, So safety and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: security and all that stuff.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You got insurance.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: You're like, okay, my on the Maslow's hierarchy of needs,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the basic survival stuff if you're in the coaching world
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: taken care of.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now what do you want?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I want money, Yeah, but you already took We've
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: already checked the money box.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, coach, what do you need?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Then? If we go go back to nineteen ninety nine,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: he's gonna tell you I need facilities, all right. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: need something that gives me a recruiting edge. Now, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: only thing that matters is nil money to these to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: these players. Oregon's advantage that used to exist almost solely
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: because of the campus that you got to go play
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: on and the fact that you get to roll into
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: that university and have retinal scanning to get you into
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the facility and your fingerprint to go to all your classes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That was just like, oh my gosh, look at this place.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: By the way, any Nike apparel you'd ever want, and yeah, it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Was like, look at how incredible this is. I love this,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Look at this glamorous lifestyle. They still get to continue
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: that because Phil Knight's alive and well and he's you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: even when he's gone, he's going to make sure that
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that continues. But if all they had was that if
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Phil Knight had this weird like bugaboo about nil and
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: it was just like, no, no, no, no, I'm going to
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: keep giving tens and hundreds of millions of dollars so
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you have the best buildings in the business, But I
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: don't want a single dime of my fortune to go
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: to these young athletes because I'm old school. Oregon would
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: be nothing like, nobody's going nobody's going to play for
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Oregon instead of USC If one's paying and the other
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: one's not, Well, I want a nicer dorm room. You
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: got that at Oregon. But if you're getting if you
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: have to choose between a million dollars in a nice
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: dorm room, it's not even a question.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: So these coaches now they need talent. They want talent
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: to the level that you are willing to give back
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: some of your own hard earned pay in order to
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: make sure that your NIL fund is thriving, that the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: other people who can contribute to the nil fund see
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you leading by example, Utah State getting buyout money back
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: very easily could at the kate that wherever they wanted
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to cross the athletic department. I'll bet you a million
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Bronco Mendon Hall is just like four million bucks coming back.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Hey can I get a million of that?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: They They've probably got calls from almost every program in athletics.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Say how much of that can come to my program?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: But what Utah State has right now in basketball is
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: something that they they have to protect, and the best
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: way to protect that is to be like, all right,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: who on this roster still has eligibility and who do
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: we need to keep here? For whoever? For Craig Smith
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: or whoever else comes back, and it's probably whoever else.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: For me, I wanted to be Craig Smith because I
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: like Coach Smith. I think he did a good job
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: at Utah State. I like to see him where we
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: get to talk to him and you know, he gets
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: to work in the environment.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I'd like for him to have another chance, whether I
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: mean even better if it's in the state of Utah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: to show.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: By the way that it's not like it's unprecedented in
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: college sports where somebody kind of climbs the ladder and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: they use a place as a stopover, as a stepping stone,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and then they go up and then they're just like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: oh dang, it didn't work out though he wanted to.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: And then when they circle back around, sometimes it works.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Rich Robert at West Virginia is a good example of this.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Hasn't had the on only the one year, hasn't had
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the on field success yet, but he's got they're giving
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: him time to do that. It didn't work out well
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: the second time, but this happened at Utah State. Recently,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Gary Anderson returned to be the head coach of Utah
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: State after he had a really successful run the first
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: time around. Didn't have a very successful run. Didn't last
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: very long the second time. But like Utah State has
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: done this in their athletic department recently. Greg Ciano is
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the coach at Rutgers right now. That's right, Greg Ciano
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: is a retread back.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to use Rutgers football
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: as an example of any kind of success story. So
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: maybe I just undermined my own point here. In any
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: case Utah State, it happens.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It's hard to explain why the Aggies basketball program has
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: been insulated from some of the difficulties of other mid majors.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: The spectrum is the best answer I can give you.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But the spectrum will empty out if you're not winning,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: just like any other place will. Absolutely.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I think one of the keys has been They've been
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: so good at keeping the Cash Valley kids, the really
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: good Cash Valley kids. Mason false Lev is the latest
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: example of this at keeping them home, so to speak,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Man False keeping them in the program. In this new
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: everyone wants to transfer when the coach changes culture.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: By the way, Mason false Lev is for me, gonna
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: be a big time what if in the football world.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they always talk about I mean In the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the tournament broadcast, Kevin Harlan brought it up like five times.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: He was a player of the Year as a quarterback,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: right who signed with the University of Utah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Right, So it's like.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: All those questions around Utah State and now another one
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: who's going to be the next head coach? But less
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: hand ringing, less anxiety, less worried because for some reason,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I just have a belief it's going to work out,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: because I think that the decision makers, the powers that
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: be in Logan know how to water that garden in
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a way that other universities could pay attention to, could
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: figure out, could try to emulate. And I think it's
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: hard work, and I think it's a delicate balance, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I think that keeping those Cash Valley kids, like you said,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: is a big part of it. But even that requires
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: a certain level of nuanced recruiting and effort. Especially I
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: promise you, Mason FALSELI have had offers to go elsewhere.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: All right, Utah State, good luck.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Genuinely, I want to see the Aggies basketball program figure
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: this out and for that success to slowly crawl.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Onto the football side of things.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 7: Manhead mid Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome in our resident NBA Guru, Gordy Chiaso.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy, I've missed it being gone for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 8: I am doing fine and welcome back to state site.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: That's always great to be home. Let's talk a little
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz basketball. Shall We won forty three one seven
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: lost last night to the Toronto Raptors. Ace Bailey thirty
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: seven points on twenty one shots, seven of ten from
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: beyond the arc, eight of eight from the free throw line.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Ace Bailey with a beautiful game here, Gordy, what would
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you like best about it?
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: Most of all, no turnover was last night in thirty
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: five minutes, so he's very efficient and all the guys
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: being out as far as injuries, is that he was
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: the first option during the game for the Jets and
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: he delivered. And so we're seeing right in front of
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: us a young talented player emerging as really a winning player.
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: As the Jets get all the players back for next season,
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: he'll be part of the mix and he will play
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: well for them. In the meantime, he's showcasing his abilities.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: So last night this was the third straight twenty five
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: point plus game for Ace Bally. So now he's the
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: fifth youngest player in NBA history with three straight twenty
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: five point games in a row. The other younger guys
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: were Lebron James Cooper, Flagg, Caamelo Anthony and Deva Devin Booker.
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: So he's an elite company as far as being a
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: young guy and showing his abilities both scoring and also
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: all around play.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Do you like seeing him in that number one role?
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know, in an ideal world you don't
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: want a rookie to have to fill that. On a
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: winning team, a rookie doesn't have to fill that role.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: But when you see that, you know he can rise
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to the occasion. What does it tell you about him
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: in his future?
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: It's truth is that it's absolutely very bright and he
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: has all star potential and that so next year's team
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: just say, listen, imagine that the first option should be
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: Larry Marketing because of his skill set, his length, his
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: knockdown shooting, your ability. I think it's interesting. Is it
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: Ace Bailey, is it account d George or is it
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: Jaron Jackson Junior? So we're gonna find out all all
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: three of those guys are capable. So it's gonna be one, two, three, four,
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: but we don't know the order yet as far as
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: one team chemistry, two as far as play calling, and three.
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: So it emerges from that group that is definitely going
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: to be the second or third scorer. Now, Larry Marketing,
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: he has a dominant game shown without a dominant personality.
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: So now it gets interesting, Well, well, cant George has
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: matured some's his personality on the court should be fiery
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: because they need him. As far as being elite, leite goard,
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: I'll call him not a point guard but a guard.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: And Ace Belly has major talent. And then Jaron Jackson
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: is a new kid in the block. He only played
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: three games with the Jazz this past season. Yes he's Yes,
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: he's a really tremendous talented player, defensive minded with an
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: outside shot also and he can score the ball. So
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: that's what we call chemistry. We're going to find out
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: next season.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: When you talk about that dominant personality, how iportant is
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: it to have on a team from a locker room
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: and a chemistry standpoint, and how important is it that
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: the dominant personality matches up with the dominant on floor ability.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: Huge as an you step right there statement was absolutely
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: right on point. Is that that personality has to be
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: also inclusive of all the guys where you get everybody
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: involved and as far as with the teammates. So the
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: question has always says, how can I showcase my tremendous
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: individual talent within a team game and when they do it,
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: can I get also guys involved with my with my
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: all around play? And that's what those teams that make
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: the playoffs, most of those most of those performers on
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: those those elite teams, they have that quote. It's factory
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: factor is something that you combine your own unbelievable talents
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: with also team play. But in crunch time you which
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: as the clutch, the clutch player that you are to
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: help a team win down the stretch and playoff games.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: So it's absolutely huge, and my instincts tell me it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: it's going to be kant.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: George, do you think can grow into that?
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Yes? I do, I do, yes, because he has the ball. Also,
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: it's much easier we have the ball in your hands.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: So when a guy is a gud again a guard,
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: he has the he has the ball off into the
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: game to make that transition of who gets the ball
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: when and why. And that's why it's so important that
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: that whoever plays god for the Jazz that the one
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: they can score the ball. But too they also they're
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: somewhat past happy during the game to get their other
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: talented teammates involved in the flow, in the rhythm of
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: the game. It's really fascinating, Sean, it really is. I mean,
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: so in the NFL will be like what to start
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: running back? Does he blocking coverage? Sometimes? Right, there's a
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: quarterback that he try to look for other receivers some
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: of the time to get them more involved in as
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: far as running their routes against some of the time,
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: not all the times. As always when you're a NFL quarterback,
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: you go to guy, trusted guy you go to almost
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: all the time. But in the meantime when it's not,
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: they flow the game, other guys involved.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: It's been a couple of weeks.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: What teams have impressed you most in the last two
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: weeks and what teams are you most worried about given
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the state of the season we're in.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm worried about the Wizards tomorrow night. I mean, yeah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: tomorrow night, the Jazz play the Wizards tomorrow night. The
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: Wizards have lost sixteen straight games. Sure picture being in
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: the locker room, or in the team bus or above
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: sea level thirty five thousand feet. So I'm worried about
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: the Wizards coming here to Salt Lake City losing sixteen
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: straight games. Now, the upbeat about it is that the
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: Thunder have played great twelve in a row, and Disposed
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: have won six in a row. And then Nicobacks don't
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: count them out yet they've won six in a row,
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: and so the better teams are emerging. They know it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: the finish line is very short, and they are playing
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: like their contenders right now. And then e Pistons are
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: playing without Kate Cunningham and they perform though they've been
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: hung in there, and they're they're still in first place
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: in the West. They're trying to hold off the Celts
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: and hold off the Knicks. And then it's to be
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: in the east part of me in the west of
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Thunder and the Spurs and the Lakers. Also, the Lakers
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: looks a tough game last night, but generally speaking, the
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: Lakers are the third seed right now and They're heading
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: to a second straight fifty plus win win season with
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: Lebron being definitely now the way's played out, Lebron is
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: now the third option. I've never thought I'd say that
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: in my life Lebron be the third option. But right
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: now we is behind Luca and behind the Austin Reefs.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Did you ever think that Reeves was going to be
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this guy in the NBA?
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: No undirected back in twenty sixteen. That just shows you
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: that all the experts, that's what sometimes they're not experts,
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: and that he was undirected from Wichita States can't you
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: can't I rationally he went to a small college, which
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: to State is a major university. And so but he's
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: he was in a G league with with with all
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: the players in that league. He worked himself up into
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: making a team. And now he's going to get and
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: also he's going to opt out of his contract and
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: he'll be a huge factor as far as getting a
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: maker type contract. But he's responded is that he can
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: shoot the ball, he can score the ball, but also
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: he knows how to play without the ball. And again
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: he just doesn't have a dominant personality. He does not
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: and so He's getting twenty five plus points per game
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: within the flow of the game, and that allows Luca,
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: who's a dominant personality, to have the ball often and Lebron,
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: to his credit at age forty one, he is absolutely not.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: He slightly stepped aside to let the other guys play
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: at an elite level and he's their trusted sidekick.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: To say the least, Gordy March Madness happening right now.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I know you love it. How much do NBA teams
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: dial and watch?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Because obviously they got their own games, they've got their
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: practices and the shoot arounds going on.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: They're gearing up for playoff runs.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: But their personnel departments have to be paying attention to
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the big time performers of March Madness. When you're in
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: a NBA office or you're in the locker room in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the NBA is what is the place of March madness
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: in your basketball world?
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: Well, if you're a coach, you heard it. You hear
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: about it in the locker room who's playing who, But
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: you have no idea about some of the players because
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: you're focused. If you're the thunder right now, you're focused
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: on their team. If you're the Golden State Warriors. You're biting,
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: fighting Klawn without Steph Curry. You're fighting to try to
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: get to the ninth or eighth c And so from
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: a Kochie standpoint, you don't the players know who the
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: young fellows are of their upper rising guys because they
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: heard about them. They're in high school and their first
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: year or second year in college. And there's also the
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: natural bantering about, hey, my school just rocked your school
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: out of the NCAA tournament, or we're going to if
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: we win to our game, we're going to play your game.
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: And by the way, whatever your chump university, how are
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: you guys to make the NCAA tournament. So it's actually
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: on the bus and on the plane, is that, let's say,
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: bantering among the players about their alma mada or almost
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: alma mada. You know a lot of times these guys
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: they go to school now with this nl money situation
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: is that they only go to the university for one year,
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: so they're really part of it, but not part of
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: the tradition of it, but not being there for what
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: minimum will say, three years or so.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Gordy, we spent a little time on this yesterday in
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the what I missed while I was away category of
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: the show, and I missed.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: You especially all. We all missed you. We did we
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: must your spirit thank you.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: While I was gone, Bam out of Iyo scored eighty
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: three points and I wanted to get your thoughts on it,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: because you.
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: Know it's grateful. My thought, I mean, don't even don't
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: even go any further. It's disgraceful. It is absolutely the words.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: At first, it's the words has played them and so
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: come not when I saw that, and BAM's not even
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: a scorer. I know BAM's when Bam made the Olympic team,
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: he was a defensive player back but left to Olympics,
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: so they didn't take him for our national team to score.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: Now and the Heat's a different situation, I get it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: Tyler Harrow is there is there is their main guy.
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: So BAM's scoring eighty three is really unorthodox, but it's
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: how he did it, and I know, and I was.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: I was shocked that kept him in the game. Shown
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: I really was, because I liked I like the Heat,
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: I like Eric s Bostrom, I like Pat Rally. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: respect those guys. They played the win, but I wouldn't
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: I would have took him out.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Getting that many at the stripe. Does it take away
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: from the mark?
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, yes, yeah, that absolutely yes, Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: we know that, and you know that, and the fans
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: are no basketball know that, and so in the history
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: books it won't say that though, just say that the
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: foul shots. People are going to say twenty five years
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: from now, it must have got fouled like going to
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: the basket. No, they foiled them all the time, you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: just to try to put them on the line, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: they did it, and they made it a force of
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: the game. Remember when Will scored one hundred points in
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: the game, Will shot twenty for thirty two, And it
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: was very similar. Also that they were fouling them on purpose.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: But Work couldn't make foul shots. Beam can make foul shots,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: so that was even more dramatic. It was really I
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: was saddened by the whole thing. Even though I'm glad
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: for him personally from the NBA purist somewhat, I was
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: against what they did. The heat.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Gordy, you and I are both Victor web Minyama fans,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: and he he has talked about his desire to be
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the MVP, to be considered the MVP things.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: He's playing at the MVP level.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Just his competitiveness I think is going to carry this
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: first team a very long way. And we know the
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: rules about participation in missing games and things like that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: But Victor Webbnyama as an MVP from a just a
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: pure contribution standpoint, is he the best player in the league?
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: Not yet? No, I know it's blessed me saying that,
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: I get it. And for listeners right now, showings alluding
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: to you have to play sixty five games to be
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: eligible for it to be in an MVP candidate or
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: all the other awards or making all MBA, now he
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: qualifies for that. He's under that. He's over that as
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: far as games played. I have him third right now.
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: So again his my list terse Maxi from the Sixers, eighth,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: Anthony Edwards of the Timbrelves seventh, Jalen Brown of the
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: celt six, Luca Dantage of the Lakers, five, Kate Cunningham
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: of the Pistons, four, Victor Mbiamba of the Spurs three,
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: Nikolai Jokic of the Demvero Nuggets two and sh Jis
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: Alexander of the thunder one having three right now.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: That's a bit of a list there. But what is
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: your official list today, Gordy?
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: My list today, okay, okay? Based on based on last
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: night's game against the against the Raptors, My list today
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: is the annual list Sewan of the active Canadian players
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: in the NBA. Canadian players. There's twenty two players in
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: the NBA from Canada on the list. Here we go
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Atlanta Hawks, the Elegander Walker, Caleb Houston from the Chicago
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: Leonard Miller from Dallas, Bryan Nemhart and Dwight Powell from
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: the Devon Nuggets, Jamorrow Murray from Indiana Paces, Andrew Nemhart
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: from the LA Clippers, Benedict Mathern from the Memphis Grizzlies,
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Brandon Clark, Zach Edy and oll Max Prosper from the
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: Mammy Heat, Andrew Wiggins from the OKC Thunder just mentioned
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: a go, Shay Jillis Alexander and Lou Dort who's also undrafted,
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: Chaunces who has the reference point with him, and Austin
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: Reeves from the Phoenix Suns, Dylan Brooks from the Portland Transladies,
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: Shaydon Sharp from the San Antonio Spurs, Emmanuel Miller and
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: former jazz Men. One of our favorites Kelly o'lennock from
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: the Toronto Raptors who played last night who rocked the
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Jazz unfortunately RJ. Barrett and AJ Lawson and the last
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: team the Jazz played tomorrow night from the Washington Wizards Tey,
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: Shawn George and Will Riley. So thus ma's my list
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: today of the twenty two players. This quickly the greatest
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: Canadian player of all time was Steve Nash. He was
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: two time NBA MVP back in two thousand and five,
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: in two thousand and six, he's a Hall of Fame inductee.
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: And the last point about this is this, Yes, Sean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: the inventor of basketball was not an American. It was
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: a Canadian. James Naysmith invented a game of basketball back
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: in eighteen ninety one. Yes Sean, I was not born yet,
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: In case you were wondering. At Springfield, Massachusetts at the YMCA,
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: I love that with the original thirteen playing rules and
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: the rules are still the same. It's the most amazing thing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: So instead of peach baskets, we have ironed rims, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: it's the original thirteen game of rules are playing is
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: the same relatively, saying so, it's amazing he was.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Thirty years old when he invented a game that became
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: a worldwide phenomenon.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: That's a heck of a legacy to live by.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: It is also really and I love it as it
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: was the ymc A and for the William c A.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: That's everybody's recycling a famous song in every arena. You know, Sean,
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: I've seen you Rock Sewan doing the YMCA. That's funny.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: Event I should do that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been guilty of that in the past. Gordy,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: always great to talk to you.
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: Thanks man, thanks showing say well.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Peace out, Gordy Chias, our resident NBA Guru. The Hot
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  Speaker 4: You need a good stretch there. Yeah. Or every pizza
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  Speaker 4: throw a headline at you without I don't want to
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: dive too deep in this because it is truly a
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: tragic story, but throw a headline in sports that well,
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  Speaker 4: fringe sports that we never.
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  Speaker 2: Thought we'd hear.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: I think I know where you're going.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Quadruple amputee cornhole professional jailed on murder charges.
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  Speaker 2: Is that where you thought I was going?
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw this yesterday and I went, wow, that
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: that fits perfectly in either Hot Lunch or Daily Dump
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  Speaker 4: on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: We're getting to it, it is said. A twenty seven
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: year old man named Dayton James Webber has been arrested
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: and jailed because he apparently got in an argument with
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: somebody in the front seat of a car and it escalated.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: He used a firearm allegedly, allegedly, someone who respect very
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: respectfully I say this, who does not have arms, was
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: able to operate a firearm and kill somebody. Yes, And
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: then the way the police were alert to this, there
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: was two people in the backseat of the car, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: allegedly this person then said, mister Weber said hey, help
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: me get rid of this body, like get the body
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: out of the and they were like no, got out
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: of the car, fled the scene, told the police about it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and then he somehow managed to leave, yeah, and get
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: the victim out of the car, dump the body, and
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: then drive away. Cornhole the top cornhole player in Maryland, and.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: This is there's also there's some interesting terminology being used
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  Speaker 4: as to where he so, where he's going to be
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: prosecuted and stuff, because of the part of the country
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: that it happened, Like you said, Maryland guy, but it
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: happened in Virginia. All those states run together. Washington, DC
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: runs into that area too, as we know. So they're
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: using the term extradition for this to try to get
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: for the Charles I think it's Charles County in Maryland.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: The sheriff is trying to get the secure him to
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: be able to be prosecuted in Maryland instead of Virginia
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: where it happened. So that's why I don't think that
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: murder charges have been technically filed yet because they want
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: to wait till he gets to Maryland to file those charges.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: But that is that is what's expected to happen after
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: the extradition, Yes, of this of this twenty seven year
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: old quadruple amputee cornhole star allegedly murdering someone in Virginia.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: It is a wild story, and I think what comes first, Everyone's.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Like, oh shoot, this is a terrible story.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: But then the next thing that comes everyone in mind,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: everyone's mind is how did this guy? How was this
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: guy able to shoot somebody that's gonna be And there's.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Videos of him.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: There's videos of him online, Yeah, operating a firearm, you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: going out and for sport, going out and shooting guns
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: like a lot of people like to do a lot
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: of gunowners like to do responsibly. There's videos of him
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: doing that without any arms, So he there's evidence that
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: he can do it. Well, it's still just wild. And
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: he's like a top cornhole player. Yeah, so he's got
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: he's got like got.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Abilities that defy the odds. Yeah, sure, yeah, I mean
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: they did like an ESPN special about him over coming
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the odds of being a quadruple amputee and still competing
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: at a high level and whatever, you know he ended
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: up choosing to do. It's wild and now murder, allegedly
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: scary wild. There's gonna be another television show about this
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: at some point, absolutely.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I mean True Crime, I mean, Netflix, Hulu, whatever, they're already,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: they're already probably there's directors writing scripts as we speak.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure in a much more I think pleasant, kind
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: of funny actually way. Did you see if you see
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the photos of the photographer that got stuck at the.
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  Speaker 2: Bottom of the Saint John's dog pile.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I missed that. Oh my gosh, you gotta go find them.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: They're on Twitter. There was a cameraman who literally like
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: a bunch of photos are out there, and it's Saint
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: John's player all piling on top of each other because
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: of course they want a game at the buzzer right,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: only two points of the game scored by their point
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: guard happened to be the game winner by Dylan Darling.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: And there's there's a reporter just.
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  Speaker 4: Like his his head peeking out of the bottom.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Of the pile while a bunch of players celebrate on
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  Speaker 3: top of him.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know.
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  Speaker 3: I want the photos from his camera. I won't know
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: if he got anything good from the bottom of a
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  Speaker 7: An Sean O'Connell Show, And we check in with BYU
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  Speaker 3: are you, sir?
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  Speaker 9: Hey, I'm doing solid. How are you? Sean great man?
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: It's good to be back. You know, two weeks away
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: is a long time. A lot happens in no right, yeah, I.
• 57:47
  Speaker 9: Know, right, it was. It was eventful. I went to
• 57:50
  Speaker 9: Kansas City and Portland, and uh, you know, it didn't
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: come away with as many wins as we were hoping for,
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: but fun men's basketball season certainly had its ups and downs,
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: and now we await the transperportal in the NBA draft.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Man, Okay, let's talk about that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: BYU basketball season started the year with a ton of optimism,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: a ton of hype. You know, one of the biggest
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: stories in the entire country is AJ Debonsa being there
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: for this particular season. And I know it didn't translate
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: to the NCAA tournament run that a lot of people
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: in Provo wanted it to, but AJ ended up being
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: a great representative of the school, at least from what
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I was able to see.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: They won a lot of good games.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: They had seemingly packed crowds for every one of their games.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, yes, ultimately, you want a Big twelve championship,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: you want an n CLA championship. You didn't get there.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: But how should BYU and its fans be looking at
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: this season relative to expectations when it all started, and
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: of course being realistic about what the injuries do to
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: any good team.
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the injuries derailed this thing because the preseason external analysts,
• 59:01
  Speaker 9: not US external analysts, were saying this is a final
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: four squad, and so to bow out in the first
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: round frankly like straight up just raw, like unmitigated grade,
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: like a D. You know, most disappointing season bo basketball history.
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: From that standpoler, But then when you dive in and
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: you go, okay, well what happened preseason injuries to Nate
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: Pickens and Brodi Koslawski. These are two role players that
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: would have come off the bench that hindered BYU. Right away,
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: Then Dawson Baker tears his ACL about a month end
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: of the season. That's your primary bench score. Now you
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: have no bench. It's one of your seniors, one of
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: your culture core guys. Then when Richie Sunders goes down,
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: you know, for the final seven or eight games of
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: the season, that really affects you because he's one of
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: the top twenty players, but you always ever had so
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: it was just too much to overcome. Should by you
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: have still beaten Texas? With that said, yes, could they
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: have hung with or beaten gun Zaga potentially, we'd like
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: to think that maybe that would have been interesting, but
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: we'll never know. So it was a disappointing finish, but
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: the injuries were way too big to overcome. And that's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: the story of the year. Outside of a J. D.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: Bonta was freaking awesome, led the nation in scoring, is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: going to be the number one pick. He's the first
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: team All Americans. Somehow, he's not the Big twelve Player
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: of the year. I know they didn't win enough games
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: dot dot dot, but he was fun to watch man.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: He was worth Everythingny was. He was great and I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: can't wait to watch the rest of his career.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: So again, you're never going to go back and say
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: we shouldn't have done that with aj?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: What about everyone else?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: That?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Was Rob Wright the player that you needed him to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: be because that was also a huge get. I mean,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Aj, he would have been the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: big story in the recruiting class, in the transfer class,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: he was a huge, huge get. And there's other guys
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: that obviously were added to this team. And the fact
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: that Richie Saunders decided to stay. I mean that's as
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: big of a deal in the modern year of college
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: basketball as any transfer is. But starting with Wright, was
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: that what b YU hoped it would be or needed
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: it to be when he was healthy.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: I think BOI didn't have enough shooting to really support
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: the full roster that they had because if they if
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: they had kind of like tomm Rest didn't quite deliver
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: what they were hoped from three. You know, Alexi Coasters
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: kind of came on stronger later, Nate Pickens, they felt
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: like was going to be a three and D guy
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: Conard Davis kind of struggled until the end of the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: season from distance. And so shooting is the holy grail.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: As Kevin Young said in his final press conference after
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: the Texas game, if UI had a little bit more
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: shooting and then maybe a little bit more experience maybe
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: at the five position behind Kba, I think that would
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: have helped. And that's like if Byu was fully healthy.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: But I think Rob did a good job this year.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: I think he was a good player. I hope that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: Buyu was able to return him. He Rob told me
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: in the locker room in Portland, if I'm not playing
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 9: pro basketball somewhere, if I'm in college, I'm going to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: be at b YU. So he's not going to enter
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: the portal, He's not going to transfer somewhere else, according
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: to him. So hopefully he's kind of your your big piece.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: And then you bring in, you know, the projected number
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: two pick in the NBA draft next year in BB three,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: and you know, you hope you can get some good transfers.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: You got some good young pieces, so hopefully you can
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: bring back. But I would imagine like half the roster
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: is turned over.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Uh the there's a lot of conversation last off season
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: about the way that this roster was put together, and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: you know, people in Provo want to de emphasize that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: it's all just a financial transaction.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why it's as important as it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: seems to be down there, because when you have the resources,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with using the resources.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think it means anything. It doesn't.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think it says anything about BYU not being
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: a special place if you're using money to get guys
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: to come there. But when we talk about, you know,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: fleshing out a roster and maybe hopefully having more depth
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: than they had this year, is there going to be
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: any change you think in recruiting philosophy or in in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the way that roster construction is done based on what
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: happened this year, because it's hard to it's hard to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: look at the product and say, oh, we needed to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: look a lot different than that if you take the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: injuries out of it. And obviously injuries are just something
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: that's beyond anyone's control. But the results this year and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: the way that roster was constructed and maybe some of
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: the holes that were left, do you think there's a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: philosophical change as they move forward?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 9: I think in terms of like a big that can score,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: I think BOI does need to add that they didn't
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: have that this year. You know, you had that as
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: with Foos last year off the bench and that was nice.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: You need somebody that can just back to the basket,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: get a bucket when your SHOT's not going down, or
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: you know, good on the glass can lay it back
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: in kind of thing. Cable was that, and then he
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: hurt his hand. He actually like partially tore a tendon
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: in his hand, so he couldn't grip the ball for
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: like a month, so it was really difficult for him.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: He kind of we saw him fade a little bit
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: because of that injury. And then Abdula Ahmed wasn't quite
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: what I think we were expecting from the G League.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: All these like G League conversation guys, like none of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: them had a massive impact. It's kind of hilarious. It's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 9: like they're not in the G League anymore for a reason,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: I guess. But you know, he wasn't what they were
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: hoping for. You need more shooting. You need again good
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: wing defenders, wing scores. You don't need anybody at point
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: guard because you're bringing back Nate Pickens, Dawson Baker and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 9: you hope Robert at the third. You're super solid at
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: that position. But you need some experience, you need some shooting,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: you need some physicality obviously in the Big twelve. So
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: I think Kevin Youung has learned a lot. I think
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: if that roster is is complete and healthy all year,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: I think it's a very different conversation, and it's too
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: bad because boy had an all time in ajd bonsa
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: that if he graduates, and he says that's his plan
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: over the next several years, you know, in the NBA
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: off seasons and whatnot, his jersey will be in the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: rafters in the Meriat Center for.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: So as we look towards his future.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: And obviously there's plenty of people in Salt Lake City
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: that hope that he's playing professional basketball in the state
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: of Utah as well. But you know, you have to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: evaluate tournament performance, you have to evaluate overall performance when
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: you're talking about handicapping and NBA draft. I think AJ
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: is a little bit immune from some of that evaluation.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think his team exiting early hurts his
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: draft prospects at all. But there are other guys who
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: are their teams are making deeper runs that might be
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: in that conversation, there's other guys that I think maybe
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: hurt themselves in this NCAA tournament that we're maybe up
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: there next to him. Based on what it's March twenty fourth,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: based on today, is Aj Debonsa definitively a top three
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: draft pick?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 9: Oh No, question. I think he's been that the whole time.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: I think he's going to be the number one pick. Yeah,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: and depends who you know, what team is number one,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: what are their needs or do they just take straight
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: up best player? Because AJ Steling feels like it's really
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: high and he's a proven commodity and he did it
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: in you know, the one of, if not the best
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: league in America and the time, and they did it
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: against good competition. Two, you look at some of his
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: best games were against the good competition, and so yeah,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: you watch him play, there's no question. Cam Boozer is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: really interesting because he's probably the best player in the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: country in terms of like his team wins and he's good.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: If AJ and BYU were in the sweet sixteen and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: it had been kind of a top ten team all year,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: AJ would probably be the national Player of the year.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: You know, maybe it's Kim Boozer, but Dukes won a ton.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: They're fantastic. He's the seventeen and eight guy in the league.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: Like right now, she plug him in. Darren Peterson's an
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 9: interesting one, right, Like he played a little more the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: back half of the year and whatnot super skilled offensive player.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: To me, those feel like the consensus top three and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: probably aj Dearren and Cam in that order.
• 1:07:01
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• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: let's talk a little BYU football, if you don't mind.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Everyone else is kind of gearing up towards spring ball.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: BYU's an early starter every year in the spring, and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: it seems like they're, you know, closer to the end
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: of their spring camp than most teams in the country are.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: What have you seen?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: What have you heard about this BYU football spring camp
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: that maybe BYU fans are gonna like to hear and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: you thought fans might hate to hear.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's kind of status quo. All quiet on the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: Western front. Plug and play with the transfers who have
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: come in in January. There's some freshmen who are doing well,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: you know, Bot Mulitalo at a lone peak on the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 9: offensive line, Devonika out of Lehigh as a running back
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: legend glasger at a Lee High as well, to compete
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: in in that receiver room obviously with some Chase Roberts
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: and Parker Kingston Gune. So there's opportunities there for targets.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 9: Bear Bachmeyer looking good. Yeah, it's it's uh, you know,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: Kelly Pebingas selling his version of the defense and a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: good response from these guys. Daniel Sorenson as an assistant
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: safeties coach, I think will make an impact with this
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: staff as well, which is awesome coming off a stellar
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: NFL career. So yeah, I'm excited to see it. It feels like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: you know, all quiet on the Western front, checking along
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: high expectations. No one say anything too crazy, No one's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: saying quest for profession, which is great. Let's just let's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: just get after it, stay healthy in the spring, and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 9: then hit the fall and see if you can't make
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: a run again.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned Sorenson coming back to help with
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: the safeties. That's something you and I haven't had a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: chance to talk about yet. I was remarkably impressed with
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: him in his NFL career, and we know some of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: the same people, and you only hear great things about him.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: One thing that fascinates me about BYU is they're under Kalanney.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of NFL.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Guys right that BYU produced, and it's like alumni are
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: welcome in the program. But he doesn't excessively lean on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: those connections in terms of like his actual hires, and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: other coaches over index on that, I think sometimes to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: their own detriment. They're like, he's an NFL player, which
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: means he'll be a great coach, and it doesn't always
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: translate that way. But adding not only a guy that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: we know is excellent and as a football player, but
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: is a through and through BYU guy with connections to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: super bowl level talent and super bowl level experience at
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: the next level. What can it do for coach k
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Pop is he brings this this defense under his own umbrella.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's huge because one he played at
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: BYU and two just like his kind of unique guys,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: let's be honest, like a white safety in the NFL,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 9: Like he's just like a unicorn. Like he's unique in
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: terms of like how did how did he kind of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: figure and navigate that out? He was a linebacker when
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: he started at BYU, and you've got kind of a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: new situation with the Mario Warren coaching the safeties now
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 9: and Lewis Walker coaching the corners. So it's a bit different.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: But I think, yeah, that relatability and that let's get
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: you to the NFL, that provo kind of vibe that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: basketball started continues with football and trying to produce guys
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: and then because then you have like at the UY
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: NFL combine over the weekend, Maury Bamba, someone timed him
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: at a four to one. The unofficial was four to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: two seven. It's like, wait, there are dudes walking around
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: that run that fast. You know, like Chris Wilcox a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: couple of years ago got drafted on his forty time
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: basically with some good film. You know, Moury has has
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: decent film out there. What can that mean for this group?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: What can that mean for this new look defense from
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 9: BYU that hopes to continue what they've done last couple
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 9: of years, which has been the backbone of the success
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: of BYU. It's been a solid run game and a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: good defense, like we've talked about, sounds familiar with these
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: two programs, you know, not the BYU high flying passing game,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: but a solid run game. So it's I think Daniel
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: Sorenson's ad to the staff is awesome, and you continue
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: to try and build on what you've done, and it's
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 9: nice to bring in guys that have experience, and he
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 9: played it independence. I bet he'd love to have competed
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: in the Big twelve where now BYU is contending for championships.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: The first time I met Daniel Sorenson was that his
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: cousin's bachelor party, which, of course, when you're talking about
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: BYU bachelor parties and Provo bachelor parties, not exactly wild.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: But all night risk game that we went.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: To Provo Beach Resort and rode the road the flow
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: rider okay nice, and all of us are, of course
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: just getting bundled and falling, and then the wave pushes
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: you up and over and half the time strips your
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: shorts off.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Which is kind of the point when you're at a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: bachelor party.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: You're you're like, you know, you're all just laughing and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: having it, and then Daniel Sorenson jumps on the thing
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't fall. It was like, okay, we It's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: like we get it. You're the You're the best athlete
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: here by a long stretch and you know he's so
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: unassuming from a visual standpoint, but an elite athlete that, uh,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I've resented from the very first moment I
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: saw he's the.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: Real deal man Like he is, he is awesome. I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: went to girl Dad Camp last year at b Y,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: which is a super cool event, and he was in
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: our group. And yeah, he's still got it, man, he's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: still working out. He's he's a lifer.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: The NFL Draft is coming up, and Jack Kelly performed
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: incredibly well at the scouting combine, and you know, he
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: didn't have because of some injury. He didn't have as
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: productive a season as I thought he was capable of having.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: This past year even on a really good BYU team,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: and he played incredibly well, but you could tell that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: he was a little banged up in certain situations. And
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: the stats didn't necessarily blow up like I hope they
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: would for him. But what do we think Jack Kelly
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: is going to be at the NFL level.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: I think he could be a guy that has a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: nice career. He's got the toughness, he's got the speed
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: and agility. In his relative athletics score the ras he
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: pulled a ninety seven. He was great in the composite, speed,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: the explosion, the agility, in the size.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: He was good.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: But like, this is a guy that can be kind
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: of a bigger back that can still moves. As things
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: moved to speed in the NFL a little bit more,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: you got to be able to move. Gone are the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: burly slow two hundred and fifty pound backers that run
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 9: a four to eight. Like you've got to be in
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: the four to five ish range. And he ran a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: four five to seven and his ten yard splot was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: one six one, So it's like, this guy can move.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: So I think he's going to be on a fifty
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: to three man roster for five plus years in the NFL,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: and it might just be on name alone, because that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: is a great linebacker named Jack Kelly. Not to mention
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: the news these connections with Christian Bales' character there, but yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: I'm excited to see Jack in the NFL. I think
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: this is a guy that was undervalue at a Currens
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: went to Weaver State with Jay Hill, came with him
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: to BYU, and he's going to be a tremendous player
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: in the NFL.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: I do this all the time when we're talking about
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: NFL draft evaluation. You read the NFL dot Com profile
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: and their strengths and their weaknesses, and I think I've
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: brought this up on the air before, but I'm just
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: going to read Texas Tech is such a thorn in
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: the side of everyone in the state of Utah, including
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: this is his draft profile. Weaknesses, average eye quickness, reaction
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: time to his keys.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Whatever, inconsistent technique, execution to get rid of a block,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: all right, that's considered a weakness. And then they just
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: throw this out. There was a non factor against the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech run game. Okay, we get all right. It
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: was a tough year for everyone who went against Texas Tech.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, NFL dot Com.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what the heck, man, Not the Tech Tech passing
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: game though, in Loveick, I thought it was pretty good.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: And that's fun.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Jack Kelly, he's one of those guys.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I think every year there's a couple of people that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: are wearing Crimson that BYU begrudgingly or not, the fans
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: be like, man, we really like to have that guy.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: And I think that Jack Kelly fit that mold. On
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: the opposite end, I think that there's a lot of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: you tough. Fans that watched him play myself included that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: we're just like man. Jack Kelly is a player he'd
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: be good to have on any team.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: And he played through some injuries to both shoulders, so
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: he's a tough cookie as well. Other guys that I
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: thought kind of helped themselves, especially this postseason. I think
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: Carson Ryan has then the next job more Bomba helped
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: himself the most. Chase Roberts helped his forty times quite
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: a bit, getting into the low four fives from a
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: fourth andy, so that was good. And then Garrison Grimes.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: We don't talk about long snappers a lot. This dude
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: pulled a ten to oher relative athletics score like he
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: ran a crazy forties, got crazy broad and vertical and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: all that. Maybe he's the next John Denny who was
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: like a long time long snapper in the NFL. Like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: good snapping obviously, but like what separates you apart, like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: your athleticism, your ability to get down the field, that
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: kind of thing. Obviously Jeff Graham's son. So I wonder
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: if Garrison Grimes this is an undrafted free agent that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: finds a place in the league.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: That's a good shout.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: It's a if you can, if you can make it
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: onto a roster as a long snapper and stay there
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: for you know, a life. However many years like get
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: get him with that athleticism and then the what the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: utsa kicker? Whatever?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: That ran a four or five and now you're kill Yeah,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: you're cooking with gas.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: Like listen, you got to be able to stick out somehow,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: and like now you're you're saying, who's a long snapping
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: cheap prospect rookie. It's like dude, Garrison Grimes. Plus he
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: has like this deep rich voice. I'm super jealous he could.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: He could do some voiceovers for a living too.
• 1:17:09
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  Speaker 3: James in out.
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  Speaker 2: Love it, hate it, I like it. I'm not your
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: baseball guy.
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  Speaker 4: It's while I'm asking you, I'm I mean, I'm not
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not die hard baseball more playoffs only guy, but
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: uh but uh.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: World Baseball Classic.
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of out on it after the first
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: like two and then I didn't pay much attention to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: it until this year again, but it was a fun
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: one this year. I I'm kind of lukewarm on it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know that we need this, but the international fans,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: everybody outside of the United States treats it like it
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: they're going for an Olympic gold medal, which makes it
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: really fun.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: That's great, it's wonderful.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: You probably already heard a memorabilia headline about the World
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Baseball Classic. Shoeo Tani had a one point five million
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: dollar jersey in this one Japan's game against Chinese Taipei.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: He wore it, put it up for auction one point
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: five mil for a Showho Tani jersey. So that's what
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Like, and then if you if you watch this semi
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: finals and the championship in Miami, all the Latin American teams,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: including Venezuela who ended up winning, all of their fans
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: like they treated it like bigger than a World Series,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: which makes when there's a lot of juice around something,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: even if you don't personally buy into it. Like I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: It took me a while to buy into it completely.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: You can't help but be caught up in it. So
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: that's what happened. Cool it's in.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: You know, we've really loved I mean, the NBA All
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: Star format went with this international flavor this year and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: got a little juice because of that. We've talked a
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: lot about the four Nations. We had a lot of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: fun with the Olympics team USA women's and men's gold
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: medals in hockey.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's gonna help us hockey wise.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: Did you see also Paralympic hockey beat Canada in the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: gold medal game one like six to two by the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: way to oh my gosh, guy had Man. I wish
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: I remember the dude's name, but four goals in the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: gold medal game, So wet any form of Olympic hockey, Olympic, Paralympic,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: we dominate Canada.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Canada, we own you. Now you're the fifty Let's
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: make them the fifty second states, all right, it'll be
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Puerto Rico and then Canada make them even more upset
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: about that. World Baseball Classic also gave us some viral
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: moments like Team Italy had the espresso machine in the dugout.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: You saw this when they beat when they were beating
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: a team USA and group play or pool play, whatever
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: they call it. The espresso machine from the dugout went
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: up for auction.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: That is a practical piece, that is like a usable
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: piece of sports memorabillity. You pay one point five million
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: dollars for a show. Heyo, Tani jersey. You're not wearing it? Okay,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: you got that framed somewhere. You put that in a
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: climate controlled room and you frame it and you don't
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: let people even look at it most of the time.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Don't take pictures of it.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I don't want the flash from your camera disturbing n.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Off your blue tooth if you're around it, please, right,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: So is it cool to have? I'm sure? Yeah, one
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: point five million dollars we can't afford that.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Now. I'm not an espresso drinker. I'm not a coffee drinker.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: But if you are, and especially if you're an Italian,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: and especially if you're an Italian who happens to be
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: a baseball fan who also loves espresso, the lolo price
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: of sixteen dollars could have got you the dugout Italian espresso.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Machine celebratory espresso after all the home runs, right, Yes,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: that was the ritual or yeah WBC. Yeah now, and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: I'll add, especially if you're an Italian American, because that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: was not Team Italy. That was Team Italian American. There
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: was like three guys from Italy.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Jersey Shore basically, and you know what, never mind that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: this was a Levazza brand espresso machine that retails for
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: about two hundred dollars sixteen grand, still well spent if
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: you can get this funny enough. Every time you saw it,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: there was a piece of white tape over the name
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: brand on the espressoe because they're not a sponsor of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: the World Baseball Classic, so they had to cover. You
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: can take that off or you can leave it on there.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: It's autographed by the team. Now that's kind of a
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: cool white tape or not kind of a cool piece,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, like if you if they had
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: made you remember the old soft serve ice cream machine
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: that the Utah Jazz had in the media row.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: I remember, I know people have talked about it. I
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: that was that predates you, That predates me covering the team.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, for all you if you've been listening to sports
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: talk radio in the state of Utah, you know about
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: the legend of this machine. Utah Jazz, by the way,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: are one of like only two teams in the country
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: that provide free media meals for the folks that are
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: covering their games. Everywhere else you got to buy a meal.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: I remember when I went when I moved to San
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Francisco and started covering the Warriors the very first time.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Matt Steinmetz, who's been on the show, was my co host.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: We go down into the bowels of Oracle Arena at
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: the time, and he's just like, oh, yeah, it's like
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: eleven bucks. I was like, oh, okay, well that's fine.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: What's the what's the meal? It was literally hot dogs.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, what, oh man, I'm just gonna go
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: up on the concourse and get some some real like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: game food instead of being down in here. So the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz as an organization, they've always taken very good
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: care of the media, and they used to have this
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: soft serve ice cream machine in the media room with
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: the Fixen's right, yeah, it's like you're going to the
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Scizzler buffet. You got the Oreo cookie crumbles. You have
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: the little chocolate sprinkles or the rainbow sprinkles. You have
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: caramel sauce, you have whipped cream. I mean, you could
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: really make yourself a nice Sunday if they had ever
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: put that thing up for auction, James, and they had
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: first made the Utah Jazz Player sign it, get a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: little Jerry Sloan's signature on there. Maybe I'm buying that
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: dang thing that is a practical piece of sports memorabilia
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: that everyone's gonna enjoy.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Like this espresso machine.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sure people are gonna enjoy, and then they're gonna
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: be like, wait a second, why are their names all
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: over this thing?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Oh you don't know.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: This is my World Baseball Classic espresso machine. Every great story.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: Every time I make a sale, I have a celebratory
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: just like when they hit home runs against Team USA.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Why did andre Kirolinko sign your ice cream machine?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: This used to be in the Utah Jazz media room.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: See if they did that, it'd be obviously too late
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: unless they already got a couple of those signatures.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Obviously too late to get some of those.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: But if they did that, I would I it would
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: be even better if they just said media. They put
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: it in a place a private auction for media only. Dude,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: I would buy that thing and we would put it
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: right hard at the ESPN seven studio, the shelf right.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: We got the counter right there, we could we could
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: put it.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, we've got the water cooler here, we could put
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: it on the other side. There would just be as
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: you were listening to the Sean O'Connell show and the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: driver Spence check its you just have that like slightly
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: irritating hum in the background. Yeah. Oh, that's that's our
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: ice cream machine.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: Worry about.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: It's our saucer of ice cream machine.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: It's the Jerry Sloan ice cream machine.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: Cool. That would be of ESPN seven hundred ninety two.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Anybody working at the Utah Jazz Organization, if you still
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: have that thing in the bowels of the stadium somewhere.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: I want to buy it.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, come heard not for sixteen thousand dollars eight
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred, get in contact,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: all right, So.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Fun sports Membobilia for the Daily Dump.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Here's less fun. Grace Foster and Rhycee Ross have entered
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: the Transfer Portal or Utah Women's bast.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: Reese broke yesterday. Of course Grace was earlier this week.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's more. That's as much as
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I know at this point. I could let me scour
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: the interwebs. Hopefully there's not more going on so you
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: don't like to see that.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: We will keep you abreast of any of the updates
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: that we can get on it.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: James put this in his update.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Tiger Woods is making a return to competitive golf Jupiter
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Links in the TGL. You know what it is.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: It's the Golf Simulator League.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Or with his own league, his own team in that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: said league.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: His team is facing elimination, so he's gonna come off
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: the sidelines. Spoiler alert. Ain't gonna work. Okay, Tiger's not
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: gonna save this.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: You are also all over Sports Center right now. They're
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: showing clips of him practicing in the state of the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: art arena that they've built for these things. So he
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: and he's got Tiger game face on like they are.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: ESPN is milking all this for all it's worth.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: What color does Tiger Woods wear on.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: A Tuesday night?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: Tuesday maroon, not not quite Sunday.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: It's not the same as Sunday red. All right, Tuesday
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: teal baby, let's go. I'm going Tuesday coral, pink. Tiger's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: got to pick a color for this. You know how
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: I know this is not gonna work because we learned
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: over the weekend that flag football is very different than
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: regular football. Tom Brady thought he was gonna step in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: and save the team USA Flag Football, or save the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: NFL guys from the team USA Professional Flag Football players,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: and they got demolished, which was very strange to see.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Like Logan Paul was out, there was a freak thing.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady comes in and he thinks he's gonna save
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: it all. And he threw a beautiful touchdown pass, side
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: step to pass rush, beautiful touchdown pass.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: And he also he also pointed at his legs as
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: he sides that the pastors. Hey, that's a penalty right there.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: He's going going at my knees. I just signature move.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Tiger's not going to be able to save this the
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: same way the NFL guys weren't able to save uh
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: kind of pseudo football, right, Oh, I can't believe I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: didn't tell you about this yesterday.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you know who was playing in that.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: Flag Football Showcase against the Professional Flag Team USA professional
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: flag football guys. Just remember there's this debate on whether
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: or not when flag football is in the Olympics, NFL
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: guys are going to be able to represent or the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: current team USA flag footballers the specialists are going to
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: be able to do it. And that's part of why
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: they competed against one another. DeAndre Hopkins played in this.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: He scored a touchdown. Right, Guess who was on my
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: return flight from Tanzania, Wait d hop was. DeAndre Hopkins
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: was on He was in Tanzania on a safari the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: same time I was in Tanzania. My brother in law
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: ran into him. We were at like this, you know,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: like you're waiting to get on. We had to get
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: out of the bush. You had to come out of
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: the National Park. And so there's like a hotel that
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: you just stay at it for the day. You're not
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: sleeping at the hotel, but you're just like you can
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: go have lunch there, you can hang out by the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: pool whatever before you go to the airport. Because the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: flight was at like one in the morning, right, And
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: my brother in law sends me a picture of him
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: standing in the lobby with DeAndre Hopkins. I was like,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: what the heck? And then sure enough DeAndre Hopkins. When
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: we're having dinner, DeAndre Hopkins is there, and then we
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: go to the airport. DeAndre Hopkins was on our flight
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: from Tanzania back to Paris, and then I went from
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Paris to Madrid to call the PFL fights. He went from.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Paris to wherever they were playing flights, so he booked.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: He booked the same trip, just a different group.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess. I was like that. And you
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: know what was wild is in Tanzania, DeAndre Hopkins is
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: not famous.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody knew who he was, except like the seven
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: of us on the flight that were big time football fans.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: So did you did you go up and talk to him?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I just gave him a hello, big fan. I didn't
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: want to bother him. He's obviously like if you're in Tanzania,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: you're on a real vacation, trying to get a get
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: away from people.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: You're on a real vacation. And he was on a
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: bougie safari.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Apparently the guide from his safari was like, yeah, they
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: were like helicopter tours level safari.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, we're not We're not on that level.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: We're not there.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: We're on that level with de Hop levels.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: To this Jerry. But but yeah, de Hop was sitting
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: sitting like six seats in front of me and veteran
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: moved by him. His girlfriend was actually sitting in the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: seat behind me, so they were not sitting next to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: each other on the long haul flight. That's a great
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: way to make sure you get some sleep. All right,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: well done, d Hop. That's that's quite the story. Fun fact.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: So he so he was there and then he flew
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: to be to do this uh football game apparently I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: assume he went pre taped and then no one told us,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: and then.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Paris where they're playing. It looks like I mean, yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: unless they pre recorded this thing, which I don't think
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: they did.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: They usually tell you when it if it's pre taped.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: But yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick one here.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: We'll finish the Daily Dump with that.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Brought to you by a friends over at Valley Plumbing,
• 1:33:21
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• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: out and I his evaluation of Spencer Fono is a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: really interesting one. And we're gonna also hear from Pat
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Michelle from Big Willies.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: They're coming in. They brought us some snacks.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: one FM.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listening to a Sean O'Connell show, Murdock Hundai Studio
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to one. Alf Am.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: All right, my mouth is watering because we got a delivery.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say a late delivery on the Hot Lunch today.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Pat for Big.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: Willie is here with us.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: Did you forget what time.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: We do hot Lunch?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 10: This is the time I was told, So I apologize
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 10: for making you. Weaight till one o'clock.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: I blame James, because we blame everything on James. But
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at all because we have some of
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: these tater kegs.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Now, are these new on the menu.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 10: They're kind of a appetizer pop up special. Every once
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 10: in a while we throw them out there. They're like
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 10: tater tots on steroids. That's exactly what they are. They
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 10: are juiced up tater tots. Yeah, they're like ten times
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: the size. The flavor is a Julapino cream cheese bacon
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: tater keg.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: They're delicious. I'm putting the sandwich up in front of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: the camera here. What do we have on this sandwiches.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 10: At so Our special today is a hot Italian sausage
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 10: with pepper jack, cheese, onions, peppers on a nice HOGI,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 10: little Marinara sauce, little food lube to get it down.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: Love it? Yeah?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: All right, okay, So Tuesday nights, what do we have
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: going on at Big Willies? Tuesday?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 10: We have the bingo jackpots up to two thousand. Nice Wednesdays,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 10: we have the trivia come test your knowledge. Really fun crowd,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 10: great night. The host is awesome. We have delicious cocktails.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 10: Everything is housemade, from the simple syrups to the juices.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Nothing's coming out of bottles.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 10: So we take a lot of pride in the in
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 10: the craft cocktail list, and we just updated it so
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 10: we have thirteen delicious options.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Come by and try it.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: I've raved for months and months and months about the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: food menu.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Everything is excellent.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: If you also like to imbibe, they've got the craft
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: cocktails for you. If you're looking for your favorite beer,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: they either have it or they're going to find it
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: for you. Number one pool haul in Utah, and of
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: course no better place in the valley to watch March Madness.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: You've got sweet sixteen games starting on Thursday. We're gonna
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: be down there on Thursday for a remote broadcast, so
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: swing by cs take advantage of the lunch special on Thursday,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: but all weekend long, whether it's Jazz Mammoth or this
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: yearly holiday of the NCAA tournament, Big Willy is the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: best place to watch it. Yeah.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 10: The dining room is set up perfectly to watch all
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: the games. We have nine to seventy two inch TVs,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: a giant projector sound will be on.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: It's a great environment. You can't do any better than
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: getting down to Big Willies for any of your sports watching.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: And even if it's not for the sports, like Pat said,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: we've got bingo tonight, trivia tomorrow. They're always doing something
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: fun down to Big Willies and the food, the drinks
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: and everything they're affordable. A night out can get prohibitively expensive,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: but Big Willies make sure that that is not the case. Yeah,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: it's very affordable.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: You guys can come down, have a great time not
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 10: feel like your wallet had been stolen at the door.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 10: So come check it out. We have really great prices
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 10: that Sean says, and I think you will really dig
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 10: the vibes.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: That we have going there.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Well, dude, thanks for bringing the food down.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Sorry it's late. What's you Brad?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: No, we don't feel bad.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: I'm just giving you a hard time.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Did you do a bracket this year?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: I did a bracket. How busted is your bracket right now?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: It's is it looking pretty good? It's not too bad? Okay,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: it's uh.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 10: I haven't looked at it in a couple of days because,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: to tell you the truth, it was weird this year,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 10: like not really many people wanted to fill out brackets really,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 10: so it's I filled it out and the guy that
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 10: won last year filled it out and that's it.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: So it's it's a group of two big the Big
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Willies bracket. Yeah, it was very strange.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 10: I don't know if it just crept up on people, like,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 10: oh now it starts and now I don't have time, and.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Well, part of it is like a lot of Big
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Willies people are Utah fans as well, and Utah not
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: in the tournament this year, so that'll hurt you. I mean,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: you toss. State's always a fun watch at the tournament.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: They again, they had an awesome win to get to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: that matchup with Arizona and then battled it hard against
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: the number one seed. But it was a great game.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 10: Well, we'll see you on Thursday. Yeah, that would be fun.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 10: I completely forgot we had a remote.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: You're just do you even care about us anymore? I think?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: Is it because I was gone for a little while,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: You're you're holding it against me?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that two weeks off just threw us through us
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 10: through late at lunch. We don't know when you're coming.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't I don't even know why I needed
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: to go all the way to Africa to see a gorilla.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Because you're built exactly like him. You're saying, I'm Harry too.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 10: That's well, you said that. You listen, we're built like
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 10: we're both girl dads. We have to go to the gym.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 10: That's not an option.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: I say it as a compliment.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: All right, Patrick is basically a silver back at this point,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: big boy. I appreciate that. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Speaking of big boys, Jeff Schwartz is gonna join us next.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: We'll talk with him about the latest NFL mock draft
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: that has Spencer Fono going in the first round, but
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: not as a tackle question mark.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: We'll discuss it in three minutes.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred ninety
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: two one FM.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: He's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: best Inside of your youths. Let's get back to oc
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred ninety two.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: One a f M.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: All Right, welcome towur number three on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM. Welcome in Jeff Schwartz,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: our resident football insider, college and pro. He's a former
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Oregon Duck. He's a longtime NFL veteran. He's a friend
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: of the show and my former co host. Hey, Jeff,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: how are you.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: I didn't think you ever come back to work. I'm
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: glad to hear you back on the radio.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: I thought about not ever coming back.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: I thought about just going I thought about going full
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: Tarzan and just trying to live with the apes if
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't have children.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: Miss your kids, Yeah, yeah, I feel like you missed
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: your kids a little bit. I did the videos you
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: sent me, were were pretty fun. I'm glad you had
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: a fun trip and you're back at it.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: Are you bothered that you were not invited to play
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: in the NFL Guys Versus Elite Flag Football Guys Challenge?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: I I will say the reaction to this game on
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: social media was very, very funny. I saw one clip
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: basically from the g too. I saw Joe Burrow gain
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: tackle for some reason. It's a fack football game. Another
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: clip I saw was one of the fuck football players
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: juking out a couple couple of NFL players you zooming
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: a little closely. And the two NFL players I believe
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: were Luke Keigley, who retired five years ago now the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, Yes, and DeAndre Hopkins, who plays wide receiver. Yes,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: and as old. And the reactions to the game were like,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: I can't believe NFL players played this game. I no
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: way they no way they could ever play flag football.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Look at I'm like, do you guys hear yourselves talking
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: like this is an exhibition game against professional flag football players.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: There should be no reaction at all to this. It
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: should just be like, yeah, the other team who's professionally
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: trained they're pretty good. Yeah, they're pretty good football players
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: at the sport they're playing. And the reaction was, like,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: I kill in the NFL would embarrass themselves like this,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: embarrass themselves doing what The reaction to this is so funny, man.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: The idea to me that a guy like Saquon Barkley
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: couldn't learn how to play flag football though it was
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: his full time job is very funny. And so I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: was not upset it in Go Sean because I didn't
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: know there were so many like retired players in the thing. Anyways,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: I didn't know it was. There was morch madness on
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: why are we watching flag football?
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: I was. I was blown away, and actually I just
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: told like Deander Hopkins, he was in Tanzania when I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: was in Tanzania. He was on our flight back from Tanzania,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: and I assume he went straight from there to.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: This flag football thing. So it's not like he was
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: training to lead up to this.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: I know these guys were training. They couldn't pull flags,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: they couldn't do all the reports. Well, the NFL players
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: were trying to tackle everybody. Yeah, I wonder why, because
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: that's how they played football. I wonder why they tried
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: to tackle everyone and to pull their flags. It's weird
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: how that works out. I actually like.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: It though, because these elite flag football guys right are
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: probably I and this is maybe I'm doing this unfairly,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: but most of the dudes that are are still playing
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: some level of football like into their late twenties and
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: thirties when it's not NFL football, right, it's a lot
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: of unfulfilled hopes and dreams, and they're using this as
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: like their thing and for them to get this that
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: they can now tell their kids and their grandkids. Yeah,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: I haye, dad. One time I beat Tom Brady in
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: a game. I was playing quarterback. He was the other quarterback,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: and we beat them. Like, I actually applaud the NFL
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: for given those guys that, because they're gonna live off
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: this for decades to come.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: Well I think also, I mean I think part of
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: it was like this is, you know, the Olympics are
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: coming up sooner. We have a FuG football team, and
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: these flag football guys like the who's who like their
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: their job is I guess five football at least what
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: they do for their you know, like they want it.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: They want those those jobs. Obviously, those roles for the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: Olympics and the NFL players I think want to be
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: involved in as well. And so I think it's a
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: little bit of like a pride thing for the for
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: the fuck football guys. But again, it's not the same sport,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: Like why why are we giving so much thought to this?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: It's this By the way, the USA flag football team
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: wasn't supposed to be part of this at all, but
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: this this had to had to be moved because of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: a yeah, a war happening right now in the Middle East.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: So like this was they were a late add to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: the whole party, because this is gonna be I think
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: there's gonna be like celebrity football players playing each other, right,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: and they added the USA part too, it late because
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: they had to move the venue.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: I want to see the roller hockey elite roller hockey
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: guys against NHL players next.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: And let's just see how that.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: You remember what was what was it when we were kids?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: That was you can have the roller? Was it? The
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: rolling the roller derby? What they used to have on
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: like once a week they would fight each other.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's roller derby.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: Roller derby. Yeah, that was awesome. Roller Derby's awesome. Okay,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: can I tell you really quick what my kids are
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: watching right now? You'd be like not surprised, but like
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: they decided they are rewatching all Survivor. So they're just
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: like picking random seasons and they watching it not yeah,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: like they're like Dad, Like I'm like, I'm like, what
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: years is from? It's like Survivor sixteen. They're in fifty now.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: By the way, they're like, this is your fifty for incredible,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: not year fifty. They do two a year, I think, right,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: so it's like you're twenty five a Survivor. Yeah. My
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: kids just every night they watch like one episode of
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: like season twelve, and then they finished season twelve, but
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: just go to season seventeen. Like they just randomly pick
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: a season based off of like the first five minutes
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: of an episode. I don't like the season. My wife
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: durn go back and have them watch like the first season.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: They're like, I, you know, looks it's two thousand and one.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: It looks terrible.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: It's not even my definition.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: No, and the kids are like, Nope, not doing this.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: So they go back to just watch Survivor episodes every day.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: It's wild. They're gonna be home in ten minutes. They're
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: gonna put on a survivor.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: It's incredible, right, who ever thought let's talk about actual football.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: I know mock draft season is your favorite thing. And
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: I was looking at field Yates, who I like field
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Yates a lot as an analyst. I was looking at
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: field yates latest mock and he has Spencer Fano going
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: in the first round. But he's the third offensive lineman
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: taken a very skill heavy top ten for field Yates.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: In this one, he's got Spencer Fano going, is the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: third offensive lineman taken. And the little blurb only talks
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: about him as a you know, an interior offensive lineman,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: being either a guard or a center, which is something
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: that we've already discussed. And there he was maybe running
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: some of those drills at the combine. But is there
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're in these offensive line conversations in a
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: way that I never will be. Is there more conversation
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: and momentum going to that that is potentially Spencer Final's future.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: He will with the Lions or something. Ravens Ravens over
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: the interesting hmmm over the Penn State kid. Huh. I
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: think the Ravens are gonna go guard. They're gonna just
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: draft a guard. I mean, you no, gives him the
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: flexibility of having different options, But I don't feel like
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: that's really what the Ravens need a guard really and
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: that I would draft the best guard I would play
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: for it. At tackle. I know he's taken some center
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: sometimes some center stuff, and you're with the first of
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: to but if you're gonna spend like a if you're
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: gonna spend, I don't view him like you know, Quintin
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: Nelson or Zach Martin, like it goes from you know,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: college tackle to NFL guard and becomes an all pro.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: I me, if you're gonna draft a guy that early,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: I think you drafted and play the position you played
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: in college. You know. The center thing is fascinating because
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: we have seen some tackles transition into center and playing
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: really well. But again, if you're gonna spend a first
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: round pick on that, that feels pretty expensive to do.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: The draft a former tackle to play center. So I
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: would be surprised if if the Ravens took him at fourteen.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's a fit. I've seen the Chiefs
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: k the highest is the Chiefs at you know, drafting
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: him at at at nine, But even then it's interesting
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: fit just considering that the Chiefs, I don't think you
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: need a tackle, but I would be surprised if someone
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: drafted to play guard.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Also in this same mock draft, field Yates again, this
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: I think is the fourth one I've seen where they've
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: got Caleb Lomo going to the Browns in one form or.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: Another, the second first round pick, right, yeah, yeah, uh
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: the I would not be surprised if the Browns ended
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: up taking Alignment at six and twenty four? Is it
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: twenty four? Is it from jas? I wouldn't be surprised
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: that if they took both of those of those you know,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: they just you know off it's a lineman. I mean
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: they lose, they lost all five guys. What surprised if
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: if they went back to back off. It's alignment in
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: this in the top of the draft. So it's a
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: really fascinating draft because we know the first pick, I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: mean at least we think we do. If you listen
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: to ESPN the last two days, you think Ty Simpson
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: was the best quarterback of all time, but you know
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: Mendoza's one. I think you feel pretty good about Reese
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: going two or three and then you know Jeremiah Love
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: is probably the top five guy, and then you know
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: from then on Sean It it feels a pretty wide open
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: kind of just like depends on what you need and
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: how you grade these guys. It doesn't feel like there's
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: a consensus top ten. I mean, I think we sort
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: of know who those guys are gonna be, maybe where
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: they're going to go. I have I have no idea.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Pro days for guys who go to the.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: Combine, Yeah, dumb, what is it?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: What does a team do?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: So Spencerfono added a half inch to his arms at
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: the Utah Yeah.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So this has been a problem for a couple
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: of years now. The measurements of the combine just don't
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: feel very accurate. And I mean, the only thing is,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: so here's the thing about the measurements and just everything
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: with the pro Days and with the Combine and stuff.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: So there's there are numbers, right that we assigned to
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: the players based on their running and they're jumping and
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: they're height and away, and we can measure those against
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: other players, right, so we know that a guy and
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: there's real data on like defensive linement with shorter arms
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: if they get drafted early, and the draft are not
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: very good. There's data but offensive linment for height, weight
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: speed forty times shuttle time shuttles a really good indication
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: of of mobility and sort of really long term health.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: The guys with the fastest shuttles in NFL, and combine
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: history that offensive line position had played a ton of snaps.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: You're not gonna hurt very much. And we also have
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: a long history of knowing exactly, Okay, if a guys
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: at thirty two and a half inch arms with thirty
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: three inch arms and they have this height in this weight,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: this is how they perform in the NFL. So it's
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: just a matter of collecting the data right to understand
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: a where phino fits. And so if it's arms or
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: three quarters of an inch longer, that changes the data
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: a lot, right, And so and some teams, you know,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: they want the data and then they just don't care
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: about it, which is totally fair, right, And some teams
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: really care a lot about that. Some teams draft a
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: lot based on what the numbers tell them, right, what
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: historical comps tell them, And so that's why you have
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: the information. But I think the more we've looked at
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: arm length. It matters a little bit, I think, But
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: if you know how to play with your shorter arms,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: then it's less important. If you play like a long
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: arm guy but you have short arms, then that's the problem,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: right Sean. And so you can play with short arms
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: as long as your game tailor's to that. Right. If
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: you if you play a game with arms, but you
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: play a longer arm game, than that's the issue. So
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: I think, to me, the armleight is not as important
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: as how you play the position.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Did you I think I might have asked you this before,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: so forgive me if I have. Did you ever play
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: with a non football guy that got sucked into the
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: football world because of his traits?
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: I I played with guys who didn't like football, But
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I play with the guy. I mean,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: do I do I qualify as that? Like I didn't
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: play football till high school? I uh, you know, I.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Do qualify as that just because of your general disposition
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: towards everything.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: But no, I mean more like that. So, so Daniel f.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: Who is maybe being replaced with the draft picks, Yeah,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: he was like a you know, a sixteen year old
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: rugby player who threw that and now there's this this guy,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Nefkiwa who's the same thing.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: He's a Scottlish. He's a Scottish, the one.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: Bruce fellmer Rota a belt yeah yeah, yeah, And he's
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: going trick to the NFL. Right, he's not going to
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: go to do a college route.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: No, he had He's I mean, I have no idea.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: He's six seven ninety five and moves incredibly well, and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: he's never played a single down of American football.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: So it's like Jordan my Latta.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my lot is probably the best example of this.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: But I have never played with someone that matches that
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: that comp you know, not in the NFL, not college. Really.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: I mean I think Helodi played for I mean, I
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: know Holodi played a lot ton of rugby. I'm pretty
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: sure of high football.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he and I graduated the same year, and.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: So like eyes maybe that played. They were like, I'm
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: not playing a guy like that before.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: No, Well, I guess that ins the line of questioning.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm fascinated by these individuals though. Like Ziggyansa
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: is the most famous local example of this. He wanted
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: to be a soccer player at b YU and then
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: a track star at B YU and then a basketball
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: player at b YU and ended up a top ten
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: draft pick instead, because you know, rough life, your body
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: just dictates what you're able to do.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: And apparently this guy, uh.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Miami was the first school to offer it.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: Mario Crista Ball is like, I'm gonna make you an
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: NFL offensive lineman, and it just seems like that's kind
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: of the thing that's in your wheelhouse, you know.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Mario the Mario did that. It's it's
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: just it's harder to do than I think we see that.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: We see the results for sort of the ones where
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: it works, but it is harder to do than I
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: think we give it credit for. Like these stories Pop,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: I remember a couple of years ago Clara was Stan
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: I think that was signed to Sumo wrestler and like
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: never heard we never heard from him again. Like it
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: you know, this is tried all the time, right, and
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: it just it's hard to pull off. And so I'm
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: cure receiving point going like playing tight end is obviously
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: done many times. We've seen out these guys Antonio Gates
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: and Jimmy Graham and and these basketball players, but offensive line,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: defensive line, like going from never playing ball before hard
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: I think defensive line would be the easiest one to do.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: Is that fair the dummies because they're dummies? Is that?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't want to say it there.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: It just there's a lot of playbook knowledge that goes
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: into scheme knowledge that goes into being a really good
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: Right, And I'm phrasing like this, well.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be an intellectual giant in
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: order to be able to master an offensive line playbook.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: But there's a certain level of I don't know, practiced
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: intelligence of integrating new things and understanding the language and
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. You don't have nearly as much of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: that on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Really position, but especially a d line.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: No. I think I've told this before, But so before
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: games on Saturday nights, you would get a test from
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: your coach, right, and the offensive alignment was like your
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: twelve different plays, and you would draw in every position
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: except you maybe like quarterback or wide receiver. Like you
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: had to know everything right to know everyone was doing
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: every play. I remember seeing a defense time is an NFL.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: I remember seeing a defensive tackles test on a Saturday
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: night and all he could draw in was where he
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: aligned before the snap. That was it. He wrote two t's,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: He wrote a T for one technique, three techniques. That
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: was it. You have to write down what he did
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: after the play, just where he physically aligned before the snap.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: I had to draw in like the full back path,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: A tight end was doing what like what you know,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: like where the safety was aligned and how that would
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: change what I what I did. And this guy was
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: out here just drawing in teas on the page. It's
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: different positions matter.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: I like that, Jeff Schwartz for a few more minutes
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: here on the Sean O'Connell show. We did the math
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: yesterday on jsn's new contract, and I like, on the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: full contract, not on the guaranteed money, which I know
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: we should have done it on the guaranteed money, but
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: we did it with the full contract to forty two
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: million a.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Year or whatever. And is he is he gonna be
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: able to justify those numbers.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: It's it's twenty four thousand dollars per yard, it's four
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: million dollars per touchdown, and it's three hundred and fifty
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: two thousand dollars per catch based on his current production
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: in the NFL.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: I saw somewhere that this is what you make for
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: your radio job. It was correct comparing your current job
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: to that. They were gonna compare a job on pat
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 5: On Radio. But they don't know how many. They don't
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: know how many listens we ever had, So how did
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: that job?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: They didn't have any numbers on that show period.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: It's so funny. They were like, you guys are doing well.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: How the numbers? I don't know, we don't have them.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: Literally, it feels was like they would tell us, like,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: you guys, your show is doing great. We're like, oh great,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: Like I'm let's have a lot of listeners. We don't
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: have that data for you.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: Can you tell us how many average listeners we have?
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: Nope, nope, no, okay, sure, well we'll thank your word
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: What about our ratings? What's what's the rating for like
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: first satellite radio? It's a thumbs up from us? Okay,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know. We were talking oh his money. I mean, look,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: I think if he doesn't get hurt, it's probably worth it.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, you won your super Bowl already. This is
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: like a super Bowl tax, right, you win in your
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: super Bowl and you pay these players, right, I mean,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: I think that ideally Seattle would like to have, you know,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: maybe a second option present himself, just to make their
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: offense easier. But I'll tell you what. You know, these
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: teams that pay two wide receivers, man, it's just not
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: as much success. Right, Eagles did it, but they did
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: it because they had other guys that were pretty cheap,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: especially on defense. Didn't work for the Dolphins, didn't work
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: for the Bengals, yet, it might not work for the Cowboys.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: So paying paying one guy, I think it may sense.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: The captain needs to go up. It's three hundred and
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: one this year, it's probably three twenty next year, right, Like,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 5: it's just gonna go up and up and up, so
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: the numbers won't look as bad, you know, next year.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: And they you know, they didn't pay Kenneth Walker, so
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: like they have you know a lot of you know,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: they're they're gonna be fine. They're not paying Generald a
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: ton of money. Then they might have to pay him,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: you know, more money eventually, but they have not paying
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: him a ton of money now, so good. Uh, it's
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: a good deal for everyone.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: Trent Williams and the Niners are in a bit of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: a contract situation.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: He's he's older, he's not. I don't think he's he's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: on the wrong side of thirty five. I don't know
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: that we can say that he's diminishing returns as of yet.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: But you watch the position a lot more carefully than
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: What do you do with Trent Williams.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're kind of just out of luck. It
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: recovers yesterday a little bit on my GM Shuffle podcast
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 5: with Marty Hernie Goes. Want to check it out because
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: Marty but talk he took spent like five minutes on this,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: like just contractually, the Niners just sort of or just
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: sort of screwed this year lack of a better term,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: Like they're just you can add more avoid years, I guess,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: and push the bill down the line, but at some
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: point it comes due and you might have to eat
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: it this year, right, you just have to eat the
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: forty million dollars and it's just expensive. This is the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: costume business. It just didn't work. You didn't win a
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl, and you just you know, you just you
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: just have to suck it up. And I mean, who's
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: who's going to trade for for him at this price?
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, the Chiefs have always been rumored to want him,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: but you know, I mean that price, you just can't
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: afford it. The Niners, you take a shot, and you should.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: Gener William was a Hall of Fame player, but it
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: just did. You haven't won a championship and I now,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: kind of bills? Do you have to pay the bill
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: at some point? Sean, this is the year they gonna
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: have to do it.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: That's great, makes me right?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, what else you know? Yeah?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah you can't. I mean you're stuck. You're right,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: all right. Springball is happening.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: We spent a lot of years doing radio together, and
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: I was always excited about springball, and you were always
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: just like springball's dumb. And you know, there's now the
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: new transfer portal rules I think make springball more meaningful
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: for teams again, because you know that if he's here
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: in spring, more than likely he's also going to be
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: here in fall, which for the last couple of years
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: was far from guaranteed for anyone. I don't know when
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: Oregon starts their spring. Utah's got some spring practice today
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: and a lot of things to figure out. But the
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: value of spring football, now that you know teams are
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out what they have and who's especially
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: the people that just showed up on campus in January.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: Where should we put it. I feel like our organized
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: spring ball for like six weeks like it. They don't.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: They're springing is not till the NFL Draft, which had
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: done every year in the weekend. In the NFL Draft,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: They've already had a couple of practices. It's like a
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: long I think they have spring break in the middle
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: of it, like it's a long.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of teams do it that way because you
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: have a certain number of spring practices and so they
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: stretch them out.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: It's like two per week or whatever.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: It feels hard to get a lot of good work
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: and if you do twice a week. But I mean,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: you're right, there's no more portal now, right, so guys
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: cannot leave after the spring. So I think that maybe
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 5: you know your roster set. I mean, it just depends
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: on what you do in the spring. You know, Oregon
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: hits bad. They hit in the spring, so and they
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: play a real game. They play a real spring game,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: like like real spring game, and so you get take
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: away from that. I've made this argument for years. I
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: think spring practice should be open to everyone. I think
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 5: you should be allowed to watch spring practice. If you're
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: or a teach, someone who covers the team, maybe you
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: don't allow fans in there, but spring practice should be open.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: Spring practice is the time where you sell hope for
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: your team. Time for for you know, you to learn
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: the new players, new coaches. I strongly believe spring practice
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: should be an NFL training camp where it's just open.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: You could take videos, take do whatever you want. You
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: just just sell hope for your team. And because you
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: can't end up portally more portals closed, right, so why
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: does it matter if you're reporting on roster decisions. It
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter anymore. So I think SMA should be open. Man.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 5: I've argued this for years. You know that I made
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: this case for many many years now. It should be
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: open to public.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: Nebraska has a brewing fight where players are suing over
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: the idea that whatever it is nil go. The new
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: college Sports Commission that's in charge of saying whether or
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: not deals are legitimate. They vetoed a bunch of deals,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: not only in Nebraska, but they're taking up the fight
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: for everyone. It's another one of those off season storylines
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: that is just lawyers winning with their billable hours. But
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: will we see any change or any effect on the
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: rank and file of college football based on this is
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: the Is the oversight body going to lose its power
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: in this lawsuit?
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: Oh no? You know what I was really hopeful for
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: was the sixty white men that descended on the White House,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: that we're going to figure out the problems of the
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: NIL a situation we have right now, like like a
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: congratulate a panel that showed up, Like, how's that going
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: to get any further? Sixty like random business administrators, sports administrators, like,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: how about any any current athletes and thought about bringing
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: that to the table, any agents, like anyone that actually
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: is involved in this. I'm sure the sitting senators are
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: really really involved in NIL discussions on a daily basis.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: All this is just nothing's ever going to be done.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: The you have a situation where you don't have the
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: CBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, so you really can't hold anyone
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: with it. You can't make any rules, right, you just can't.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 5: There's no way to enforce any of this stuff. You
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 5: have no way to enforce it unless the contracts are
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: written with the schools in a certain way. We've seen
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: this with Washington, and you know in other places that
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: they've written better contracts recently. Right, So, so De Mount
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 5: Williams can't transfer without a big penalty, like that's the
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 5: way to do it. But as far as how you're
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: paying the players, who's getting the money, who's doing that,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 5: there's no collective barning agreement. You can't have a system
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 5: in place that really enforced any of this unless the
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 5: players agree to that system. Right, And so I don't
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: think anything's gonna change about this at all. They've lost
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 5: every single case in the courts they could ever lose.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: It's just a while wise, because every state has different rules,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: Like one state has the rules that help the players,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: one doesn't one and has no rules on the books.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 5: And so I think nothing's gonna happen in the end.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: I think they're gonna keep paying the players, they keep
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: doing the way it's going. And look, it's it's made
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: certainly made college basketball very top heavy. It's made college
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: football with more parody. It's interesting how both those have
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: sort of gone different directions. Where Indiana can win a
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: championship in college football, but as soon as like in
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: college basketball, just the big dogs are sort of there
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 5: and good. Every year the men majors are getting are
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: getting are getting crushed.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Is Cinderella dead?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's dead. It's it's been dead a couple of
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 5: years now. You know. I wagered on under one and
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: a half teams seeded thirteen through sixteen to win a
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 5: a March Madness game and I ended up that was
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: a very easy cash. I mean, it's just it's just dead, dude.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's just if you're a good mid major player,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: you leave immediately right you're you're gone. You go to
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: a big dog place. But what's funny is like they're not
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: you know, schools that pay the most aren't always winning
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: though either. It's just that the you know, Arizona's and
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 5: the Michigan and there's better than the mid majors. They
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: just can't compete. We saw many times in the tournament
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: where a mid major sort of hung close for a
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 5: little bit, then you saw that burst of just a
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 5: better team just dominant the rest of the game. You know,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: so you had a high point every now and then
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: it just sort of sweeps one. Bible Continent was up
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: ten and can win that game. What is what's wild
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 5: in college basketball on the women's side, Dude, these games
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: aren't even remotely close. Like US use a parody problem
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 5: and men's college basketball. The Yukon women were up sixty
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: five to twelve at halftime yesterday against an ACC team
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: against Syracuse South Carolina be USC by forty yesterday. USC
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: has one of the better players than Country on their team. Yeah, jazzy,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 5: Like Vandy won by twenty over an Illinois team, like
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 5: these numbers. UCLA won by was you know twenty? He
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: had a coach to last night, these numbers for these
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 5: big dog Texas speed organ by bazillion two to three
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: days ago. It is crazy the difference to women's college basketball.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 5: It's not even the same sport.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: Before I let you go, how many times did you
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: have to block Levante David?
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think what. I don't think zero?
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah? What what when did he get He's when you
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: get drafted.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: You guys are the same age.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: Uh he was thirty six? When did you get to
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: see when he got the tamp Yeah? I would have
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: played him in We went to Tampa on twenty fifteen,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 5: so would have pay him in twenty fifteen? Yeah all right, Yeah,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: I would played in twenty fifteen. We beat Tampa that game,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: I believe. So yeah, twenty fifteen. I guess we didn't
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: play him in twenty thirteen, didn't play them in fourteen,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I put him in twenty fifteen. Yeah, I
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: was likely. We're not the same. I say, we're not
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: the same mane. She's a little younger than me.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but a little bit. You're you're contemporaries.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 5: We are, we are, we are contemporaries.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: He had, he had one hundred and forty seven tackles
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: that year twenty fifteen, none of them when you were
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: assigned to block him.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sure no. I would never. I never made a
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: mistake in my entire career. The only mistake I made
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: was partnering with you on pact over. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: where's your next to your next trip Pittsburgh. Oh that's
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: a big letdown, and go from what you were in Pittsburgh.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: We went, we went.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: I went from Tanzania straight to Madrid, Madrid to home
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: and then this week Pittsburgh.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: So it was Tanzania for work or was it separate?
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: No, that was the that was the trip. That was
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: the safari stuff.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, I know, I thought those were maybe
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: like two like that was for work too.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: And before Madrid, my last trip was Dubai And some
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: of the videos you're seeing of like debris falling and
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: starting fires in Dubai are taken from the hotel, from
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: the windows of the hotel that we stay in.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: It's pretty wild. Oh man, you think so many trips.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: I'm jealous.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: You take more trips than I do.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: My wife does. I don't just look one this weekend again,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 5: where does it going? They're go on the beach again,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: like three hours away.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: When when Jeff says going to the beach, it's an
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: actual beach in North Carolina. When he says they're going
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: to the mountains, it's a tall hill.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: Uh yeah. But unfortunately we can't go to that house
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 5: we were in unfortunately got washed away in the hurricane
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: two years ago, like just disappear off the face of
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: the planet.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: That's wild. That's happening in Hawaii right now.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: The river like got readjusted, like it moved. The river
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: moved like thirty feet in a different direction now, like
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: it's a totally the river just a totally different place
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: in that city. We beuild a city obviously, but like
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: it's the river moved that they had to rebuild the
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: city around the river that moved. Kind of crazy.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: That's wild. Water is a terrifyingly powerful force. So stay
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: disciplined out there people. Thanks free time, Appreciate you that.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz longtime NFL veteran NFL insider, college football insider
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: as well some times a former Oregon Duck.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: And uh yeah.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: The field Yates mock draft talks about Spencer Fano going
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: number fourteen to the Baltimore Ravens with almost no mention
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: of him playing tackle at all. Field Yates, who's pretty
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: dialed in, thinks that the Ravens want Spencer Fano to
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: play guard or center for them at the end of
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: the day. I mean, yeah, tackles make some more money
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: over the course of their career.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: It's more of a premium position.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: He's a guy who, if he's healthy, is going to
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: have a long career. And there's nothing wrong with being
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: an interior offensive lineman. In fact, I mean your exposure
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: there is reduced the evaluation of you. You don't have
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: as a football fan. You don't have a lot of
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: strong opinions about guards and centers. Probably you probably have
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: some thoughts about your favorite teams or your least favorite
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: teams tackles. So there's a silver lining even if you
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: don't end up being a starting tackle. All right, crosstalk coming,
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  Speaker 3: You could make an argument that, like the NFL has
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: too much power on the American sports landscape. You can
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: make an argument that the NBA has too much influence
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: over television broadcasting in the basketball world. You can easily
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: make an argument that the UFC dictates way too much
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: in the MMA space. Obviously, that's a one that's close
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: to me and close to my heart. It is absolutely
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: undeniable that the Soccer World Cup is too heavy in
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: its influence on pretty much everything. We saw this with
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: the bid for Katar Cutter. I guess is the right
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: way to say that to get.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: The World Cup there they were willing to do virtually
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: anything to get that done, to get the stadiums built,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: and I mean major human rights violations in order to
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: do that. And of course the World Cup just kind
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: of slowly blinks and looks the other way because it's
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: the World Cup, and the economic engine behind it is
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: something that will never be tested, will never be stopped,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: will never be It's above reproach.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: That is, I don't think a great thing.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: Once again, in the strangest way, the World Cup has
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: flexed its muscle in a way that even the NFL
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: cannot touch. And that what a juggernaut fight that has
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: to be. I don't know if you saw this, James,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard about this. The World Cup,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: playing a lot of games in NFL stadiums in North America,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: has now started to enforce their mandate that no brands,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: no branding be left on the stadium and visible during the.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Soccer World Cup.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: Now, the problem with this is like Olympic type thing,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: with the World Cup has the same kind of guidelines there,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: then you have you have to there has to be
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: an approve World Cup sponsor, and most NFL stadiums the
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: like logo on the side of the stadium is between
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: fifty and one hundred feet of material.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's that's hard, that's hard to take off
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: or high. Yeah, And I was gonna say, March Madness
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 4: is this way too. If you notice, like whenever, whenever
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 4: it's at the Delta Center, they there's nothing on the
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: floor that says Delta Center. All it says is Salt
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: Lake City. And it's only like a small part. And
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: then you got the logo, usually Utah's logo, the logo
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: of the host school in the corner. It kind of
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: drives me nuts watching the tournament. I wish, I wish
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: it was easier to see where they were, but yeah,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: it those three events are.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: They're very controlling over their marketing. So Mercedes Benz Stadium
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: has been the biggest problem for this. The Atlanta Falcons
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: home field has they have.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: The giant Mercedes Ben's logo on top all over the place.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: Right, after an eighteen month debate, it has been determined
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: that they will be allowed to leave the rooftop logo
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: as is because they can't cover it in a way
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: that doesn't damage the stadium and the intricate workings of
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: the retractable roof.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, did they think about just putting a circus tent
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: over the top of it?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So you know what they should do
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: is they should just cover it in black tape so
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: it's still the exact shape of a so it's not
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: just a black Mercedes logo.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: They what you know, what the World Cup needs to do?
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: Call Mercedes Benz, Hey, you got money you want you
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: got some money for us? They'd probably be like, yeah, well,
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: here's the problem. They already have their official mobility partners.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: And you would think the World Cup is like, yeah,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: of course, like a luxury brand like Mercedes won that bid. Nope,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: it is Hyundai and Kia that are the car sponsors
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: course for the for the World Cup. Let's be for
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: World Cup hyundaid driver over here. But that's that's that's crazy.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: So like Sofi Stadium gotta cover Sofi gotta gotta cover it.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: Okay that I'm looking at a picture of Sofi Stadium
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: right now, the Sofi Stadium logo. If you have to
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: get rid of the Sofi that's like one hundred feet.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: What if weh hey, World Cup officials, what if we
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: just cover the s is that the thing.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: Is on a broadcast with all the technology you have now,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like not very difficult just to just
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: digitally scrub it.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's too many live activations.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: There's hundreds of thousands, not millions, of fans that are
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: going and seeing these things in person.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: And FIFA just like, no, paint your house.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: Remember when Carlos Boozer rented his house to Prince Yeah,
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: and then he came back and found that all the
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: walls had been like painted purple and he had like
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: reupholstered a couch or something in purple velvet.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 4: He like hired a whole crew to princify his house.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: Carlos Boosters like, what the hell happened?
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: See when game blouses?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: So that's what that's what the World Cup is doing
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: to All these American stadiums are coming in as long
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: as they put it back.
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  Speaker 2: No that logo, No.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: It's called Mercedes Benz Stadium.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: FIFA Sorry, my Kia friends are not gonna like that.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: It's well, why'd you you chose to put it here
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: at Mercedes ben Stadium.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: It's that's another thing in the way that America and
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: American sports are different than anywhere else in the world,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's how drastically different it is,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: but you just maybe in the Premier League, some of
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: these stadiums are similar to what to what we have
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: in America, but like we have so many corporate sponsors,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 4: it's just like embedded with the with the arenas.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, what do you mean.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 4: To the point where you put a permanent Mercedes Benz
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: probably thout it's probably weighs a couple of tons metal
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 4: logo on the top of the stadium where it's like, yeah,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 4: we don't intend on moving that kind of kind of stuff.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think they do that in most parts of
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: the world with their sports stadiums, probably because they build
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: them specifically for these events and they're like, yeah, we can't.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 4: We know we're not gonna bother putting any corporate sponsorship,
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: it's particularly permanent ones on here, because we know we
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: can't show them.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: I was just in Madrid and we went past the Bernabau,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: which is the iconic state.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: I did not even notice.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't think to look and see what kind of
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: brand there is on the outside of that stadium, because
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: that's the other thing is they do it aggressively on
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: all the jerseys in a way that American sports teams do.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: Not they and it's probably because of this sort of
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: thing where they just know internationally, they're a lot more
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: familiar with the international competitions and they want things to
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 4: fit better with those things. And so there's like, you
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: know what, it doesn't matter, we don't have to have
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: our title sponsor with its permanent sign on our stadium.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 4: We'll put a banner or whatever and we'll just take
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: it off, so we can just take it off when
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: there's like Olympics or World Cup or whatever.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: There are eleven NFL stadiums hosting World Cup games, and
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: Mercedes is the one that's gonna be able to keep
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: the Mercedes on on the side Mercedes on. All Right,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: there you have it. We've got some Wu Tang Clan
• 2:18:56
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• 2:19:17
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• 2:19:21
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• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: got two tickets for you. Eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred. We talked about Jack Jackson Smith
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: and Jigba's big time contract JSN. Based on current production
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: and the current average annual value of his new contract,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: we broke it down to how much per catch? What
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: was the dollar amount we put per reception for JSN
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: when we broke down his contract by the stats eight
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I referenced
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: it again when we were having our conversation with Jeff
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: Schwartz just a few minutes ago. We did the math yesterday.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: How much is JSN making per catch if we project
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: out this year's numbers to the rest of this contract
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: that he just signed four year deal averaging forty two
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: plus million per year, which coincidentally is the same contract
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: that Spence Checket's in the Drive.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: Just signed recently here with Broadway Media.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 6: Did that word get out?
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Wow?
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: Really tried to keep that under wrap? Yeah, unsuccessful? Your
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: agent splashing it all over the internet.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 11: Well, my plan was for I wanted to wait to
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 11: see what Puka got yeah, and then go all right,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 11: we'll go into Jackie Black, look, Jackson Smith and Jigba
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 11: Puka Nakua Me.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 6: Let them set the market and then just go in
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 6: and do the thing.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 5: You know.
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• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: a call telling me you heard about it on ESPN
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: seven hundred. All right, Spence, how are you.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 11: I'm good. I'm good. Today's Friday for me. I'm leaving tomorrow. Yes,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 11: I've had enough to take this job and shove it.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 11: I'm done.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 6: Oh no, well, I mean I'll be back Monday. Yeah,
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 6: but like for the rest of the week.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 11: Okay, and I have a very interesting dynamic going on
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 11: that I was telling you about off air.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: I am so excited for you when it comes to this.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: This is going to be fantastic.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 6: And I don't know how this is going to go down.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 11: And I didn't even know this was a real thing,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 11: but apparently I'm going to a place that's much like
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 11: the movie couple's retreat.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, where.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 11: One side you behave yourself, you do the thing with
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 11: the wife and the kids. Then the other side it's
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 11: just apparently a little bit more debauched.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go, we'll use that.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 11: So I got a couple married guys gone, Yeah, a
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 11: couple of single guys gone. And so we're kind of
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 11: having this debate, like where are we going to spend
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 11: our time? It should be an interesting dynamic. I know
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 11: what you're thinking. Don't say it into that microphone.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: I know that you're gonna say to your married friends, enjoy.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 6: Your VISU you guys hang out over here.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: I'll see I'll see you guys on the plane. Home
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: is what's gonna happen?
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 11: Maybe maybe I live in Cobo now, I don't know.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna play golf, gonna sit on a beach. Haven't
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 11: had a vacation since the holidays. You know what it's
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 11: like with his job.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 6: You gotta go sharpen the sword for a little bit,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 6: gotta take at the time off. Yeah, so I'm excited.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah cool, I'm glad that you get to do that.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: That'd be great.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, heard your conversation. You know, I don't think
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 11: I fully understood the power of the game of soccer
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 11: until I went international and saw games in the Premiership
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 11: and saw some games overseas. I still don't think we
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 11: as American sports fans have the frame of reference for
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 11: how important this game is. And to your point, the
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 11: tournament of the World Cup is unless you understand it
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 11: from a worldwide scope. I mean, soccer is the world's
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 11: game by far. I have referenced this study multiple times
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 11: because for the first time, soccer is now the third
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 11: most popular sport in America. Ten percent of Americans say
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 11: soccer is their third favorites where their their favorite sport
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 11: ten percent. Baseball is now nine, hockey is about six
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 11: or seven. It's it's football, and it's not close, right,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 11: and then it's basketball, then it's soccer. But on a
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 11: worldwide scale, soccer dwarfs the NFL dwarfs college football. So
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 11: it's interesting to hear you discuss these power play dynamics
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 11: and and look, it's it's it's the part of professional
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 11: sports that at times I think turns people off when
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 11: when you dig the layers back, the sad reality is
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 11: whether it's the president of FIFA, whether it's Adam Silver,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 11: whether it's Roger Goodell. They're beholden to their shareholders and
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 11: their owners, and they make the majority of their decisions
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 11: based off of revenue. The NBA is in no place
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 11: to expand when it comes to the dilution of a
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 11: product that's already diluted. But each owner is probably gonna
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 11: pocket extra couple billion, you know, as a result of
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 11: C and Vegas getting franchises. They're not making these decisions
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 11: based off the products. They're making these decisions based off
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 11: revenue streams. And it's a sad reality, you know what I.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Mean, It is what it is. I actually this just
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: this past weekend.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: We had a funny like the Supremacy of soccer moment
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: because we're in Madrid, Okay, a title fight is happening
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: in the main event of the card. Costello Vansinas is
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: a Spaniard. He was born in Netherlands, but he spent
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: his entire youth in Spain, so he's the hometown fighter
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: defending his belt. He won the belt, huge, powerful, loud
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: moment for the crowd. The second loudest thing that happened
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: because the loudest pop that we heard from the crowd
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: was when Jude Bellingham of Real Madrid walked into the
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: building and sat down in the front row and we
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 3: put them on the big screen. Everyone went bananas. Yep,
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: I was just like cool. Yeah, obviously Venisius Junior was there.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: There was a bunch of like, it was cool to
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 3: have at a PFL event. It was cool have like
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: six Real Madrid players and it gave it a big
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: feel and things like that. Yeah, but people were more
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: excited about his presence in the building than the hometown
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: boy defending his world titles.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 11: No, international soccer stars are gods. They are golden gods.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 11: I mean, when the messy thing was announced MESSI coming
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 11: to Salt Lake. I had Trey on to give us
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 11: a little perspective, and Trey compared him to Jesus, and
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 11: I of course summarily dismissed it. But then talking to
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 11: other people like Dunny or Camaradie, it's like, no, like
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 11: he is viewed as this deity in Argentina. He brought
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 11: them a World Cup title when we brought Real Madrid
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 11: here in two thousand and five to play Real saw Lake,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 11: which is the dumbest sentence to say ever. I have
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 11: no idea how my father accomplished that. It was wild.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 11: I am this soccer, you know, just ignorant soccer child,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 11: know nothing about it at all.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 6: So much show as I can remember, when they would make.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 11: A sub, I'd think, hey, you need to put Beckerman
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 11: back in, Like no, when you sub them off, he
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 11: can't go back. And I'm like, that's the dumbest thing ever.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 11: It is a dumb and it's still a dumb rule. Okay,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 11: but you know that was the real Madrid team with
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 11: David Beckham, Rude van Nistelroy, Roberto Carlos, Iker Casias. They
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 11: get off the bus and people had come from all
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 11: over the country to see them, and there are adults,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 11: grown men crying weeping as these soccer players, and I'm like,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 11: what is going on here? Like why are we crying?
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 11: There's no crying in soccer. There's a lot of crying
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 11: in soccer, let's be clear. So look, I know there
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 11: are a lot of people still that and I hear
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 11: from them like, hey, just so you know when you
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 11: talk soccer.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 6: I turned the station. I'm like, all right, that's fine.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 11: I get it's not for everybody, but the number that
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 11: I believe I'll look this up in reference and during
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 11: the show, four billion people worldwide, four billion people say
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 11: soccer is their favorite sport. About six hundred million people
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 11: say American football is their favorite sport. So when we
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 11: put that into perspective, like again, we're football centric in
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 11: the state, football centric in the country, and that's intentional
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 11: because it moves the needle. It's not even in the
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 11: same galaxy as soccer from a global global standpoint.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna be fun to host that.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: Problematic in a lot of ways too, to host it,
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: but it's gonna be interesting to see because, like you said,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: these power play dynamics, an NFL owner in the American
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: sports landscape is an apostle. Yep, right, It's like you
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: don't get to tell me what to do, right. We
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: move the needle, We manipulate things, we change things around.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: All of them are billionaires, which of course helps, but
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: in the sports world they are the movers. And then
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: to have somebody come in and just be like, hey, pat,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: your house a different color because I told you to.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine it goes over well. And yet they
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: have to do it.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 11: They have no choice. I mean, when when the when
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 11: a team wins the Super Bowl. Okay, you see a
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 11: few players crying, you see a few coaches cry. Maybe
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 11: you see a couple of fans, maybe lifelong. You know,
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 11: fans that never thought they'd see their team win a
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 11: Super Bowl. When a country wins a World Cup, they
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 11: go home to weeping communities for days and days and days,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 11: and it changes the trajectory of their life. And I
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 11: actually think soccer lends itself to really fascinating documentaries even
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 11: if you're not a fan. The storylines involved with soccer clubs,
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 11: club and country people, it is their life. I mean,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 11: it is their entire identity all day, every day. They
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 11: just want their club to do well. It gives them
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 11: a sense of community, right and look, other sports do
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  Speaker 11: that too. But I don't know if you've seen any
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  Speaker 11: of the Welcome to Wrexham. Oh it's awesome and I
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  Speaker 11: don't know. I don't know a thing about that town.
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  Speaker 3: I do now.
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  Speaker 11: Ryan Reynolds, of course, the other dude, Rob whatever macla
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  Speaker 11: good knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: He's very funny.
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  Speaker 11: See I never I never got respect on his name. Well,
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  Speaker 11: I never got into it's always sunning. I've heard it's great.
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  Speaker 11: Maybe I'll do that on the flight or something, because
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  Speaker 11: I do need a new show the storytelling and how
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  Speaker 11: much that community is over the moon for what this
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  Speaker 11: team has been able to do. Like there there are
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  Speaker 11: all a bunch of great documentaries on There are thirty
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  Speaker 11: for thirty The Brothers Colombian soccer Players. Okay, it's it's
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  Speaker 11: escaping my mind. There's there's a thirty for thirty about
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  Speaker 11: a couple of Colombian soccer players.
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  Speaker 6: I won't spoil the ending, but it it.
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  Speaker 11: It is a commentary and a visualco the two Escobars Boom.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, awesome.
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  Speaker 11: It's a commentary and a visual Uh, you know, just
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  Speaker 11: proof of concept about how much soccer means to these
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  Speaker 11: countries in a way that I just I honestly don't
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  Speaker 11: think we have the American sports equivalent to what it
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  Speaker 11: means to people worldwide. I think the closest thing is
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  Speaker 11: what college football teams mean to communities. I've always felt
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  Speaker 11: like college football has a bigger emotional tie than pro football.
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  Speaker 11: You might have met your wife in college, you might
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  Speaker 11: have met your friends in college. You became an adult
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  Speaker 11: in college, some of us not until our forties, but
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  Speaker 11: you have a bigger tie to your college team. It
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  Speaker 11: just feels like it means a little bit more. If
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  Speaker 11: there's an American sports equivalent to the passion that soccer
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  Speaker 11: seems to breed worldwide, it's probably college football.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair analogy. Stay tuned for
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