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S02Ep20 - Chris & Lexi with the Cuckold Marriage Podcast · The Bull Brotherhood

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I just had a guy that was cheating on his wife.
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Met another lady in a nearby state. She's ethically
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non -monogamous. Her husband knows. Everything's
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great. They're going to kind of get together.
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It's kind of like playing the cuck thing. I didn't
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know this until later. But, you know, like playing
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the cuck thing. And then I was really clear.
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Your wife knows about this. Yes. And he was like,
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yes. Boom. Your husband knows about this. Yes.
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Boom. I always take a screenshot of that. Next
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thing you know, man, two days later, the wife
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texts me. I went through my husband's phone and
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So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
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to the Siren of Freedom After Dark and the Bull
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Brotherhood. This is a special dual episode.
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I have my husband Socrates on with me today and
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I'm your host Siren. Hey babe, what's going on?
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What's good, mommy? What's good? So this is going
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to be a fun one because we are interviewing,
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well, kind of a co -interview with Chris and
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Lexi from the Cuckold Marriage Podcast. And they've
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got questions for us. We've got questions for
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them. So let's just dive right in. Hi, guys.
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How are you guys doing? We're wonderful. How
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are you? Doing great. It's been a good week and
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it's only Tuesday. So, you know, everybody loves
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that. We love Tuesdays around here. We'll have
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to tell you about that sometime. But we're excited
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to have you guys on. I know, Chris, you have
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some questions. I don't know if you want to just
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get started with some or you want to tell us
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a little bit of background about you guys. And
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first of all, you know, maybe a quick synopsis
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of how you got into the lifestyle and how you
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decided to start the podcast. Yes, as long as
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you promise to return the favor for our listeners
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and tell the same thing. So, Lexi, do you kind
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of want to take it away with kind of our history,
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how we started the podcast? We started the podcast
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because you had the genius idea of starting the
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podcast. And you also had the genius idea of
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cuckolding to begin with. Yes, that is very true.
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So, you know, we were a married couple and we
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live a cuckold lifestyle. And we were just there
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was no podcast that had a married couple that
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was in this dynamic. And we wanted to fill that
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gap because we think that there's a lot of good
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insights by having both voices represented. And
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when we when we do our podcast. especially when
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we're storytelling and talking about our experiences.
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We're normally saying, hey, this is what I was
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thinking. And then Lexi will chime in. Here's
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what I was thinking. And it's just a really cool
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point of view for the listeners to be able to
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hear what the husband thinks and what the wife
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thinks at the same time. Does that make sense,
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Sunny? Oh, great. I love that. And how about
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you all? So can you tell us a little bit about
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you all and what your relationship dynamic is?
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Do you want to do that? Yeah, yeah. So even getting
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back to the original question as to how we got
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in, I got in about 10 years ago from a previous
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relationship, and I went through a divorce, and
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I ran into several podcasts, one of them, and
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the main one being the Keys and Anklets podcast,
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my boy Michael C. I learned from him and another
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guy. I keep forgetting his name. He's out in
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Arizona, awesome guy. I learned a lot about being
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a bull. went out there got on adult friend finder
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and went wild in my opinion back then i thought
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i was doing something for your one year of being
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single yeah yeah for one year i i cranked in
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a few you know i i got some experiences and they
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were really great um and then um I got a little
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cocky. I never talked about this perspective
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of it. So I got a little cocky and I was like,
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I wonder if these skills can be used in the vanilla
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world. No, you told me that. Oh, okay. And so
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I got on Bumble and this crazy lady hit me up.
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And then I want her to tell that story later,
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which is kind of cool. And then I knew she was
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something special. So I actually got out of the
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lifestyle because I wanted her to just... you
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know have a relationship uh without having to
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worry about if i'm fucking somebody you know
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right after the date you know what i mean right
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so um and then it was we taught you know took
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me about four months yeah i introduced you to
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her heard to it and then took about four months
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and she finally talked to a female friend that
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kind of backed up everything i was saying because
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i'm very deep deep deep into ethics into principles
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i tell everybody to read the ethical slut um
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i do a lot of research so i i've developed my
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i'm developing my own things so then i say man
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she we went to a club and that was it that was
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it she was she was done for she's like i'm here
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and our main our main i think uh dynamic is stag
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and vixen but he's also a married bull i do cuck
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sitting um we play solo you know we do threesomes
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group stuff like we're pretty diverse and like
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what we experience but i think you know our main
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you know dynamic label would be stag and vixen
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so um and we've been married for two years now
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and together for almost five and almost all of
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that in the lifestyle i found out about the lifestyle
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about two weeks After which I'd kind of known
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because, you know, in my single regular hoe,
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I call them the I was a regular hoe before it
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became an ethical one. And so there was about
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12 different couples that asked me to join them.
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And they didn't use the word unicorn or anything
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like that. They just they kind of explained it,
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but I didn't really get it. So I declined all
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of them. And then I had a friend who asked me
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to read The Ethical Slut with her because she
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was newly single and was in an area where a lot
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of people were in. um ethically non -monogamous
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relationships and so i didn't really know too
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much about it so we read it together i was reading
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it for the second time when i met socrates so
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that just kind of was a natural launching pad
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to help you know with that four month period
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of of finding out and then um man we've had this
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podcast for about a year um i think the podcast
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idea really came from you know, I've just had
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like a burning desire to help women find sexual
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freedom since I was about 20 years old. Growing
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up so conservatively, I just knew that there
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was something more. I knew that, you know, someday
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I needed to just be able to speak women and help
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them find that freedom that they too could enjoy
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sex and all things. It wasn't just for men's
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pleasure. And then when Socrates, you know, we've
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talked about that. Did we start them about the
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same time? Yeah, my story's a little different
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than yours, but yeah. So it was that, but then
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he was like, we need to platform this, and then
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what happened? Yeah, so I started Cyber Media
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Productions, and that's a different conversation.
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My story was, I have what's called the squad,
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and these are five other gentlemen that I think
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are what I call high -level operators, and they're
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all bulls. So there's Dimitri from Splash Mocha.
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There's Mr. Mocha from the Orgasm Faces podcast
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with his wife, Mrs. Mocha. There's Michael C.
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that I talked about. And a guest on all of them
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is Pagan from the Four Whoresmen. Those gentlemen
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right there. And Brian Morgan. And Brian Morgan,
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my bad. And the most important one, my co -host.
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Yeah, he only can record on Thursdays. Exactly.
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And Brian Morgan. All of those gentlemen are
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30 years in the game, 20 to 30 years in the game,
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high -level operators, love, love, love. Women
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love the wife -centric lifestyle, love everything
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about it. And we were all sitting around talking.
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I'm in a fraternity. I was also in the military.
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I've been in gangs. I value being around men
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and other people that are sharpening the saw
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and sharpening each other. And we were talking
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about a brotherhood and how we're not just guys
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chasing pussy, you know, delivering BBC. You
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know, that's part of the package, but we're men
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trying to take this to another level and really,
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really give the hot wife, the cuckoldress, the
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cuck an amazing experience and good quality men
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to interact with and with good quality cuckold
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couples and stag vixen couples. And I, it was
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Michael C's idea. And I got his permission to
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call our podcast, the bull brotherhood. It was
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Mr. Morgan's idea to put siren on because we're
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like, if we don't have a woman's perspective,
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then what are we really saying? Right. So, you
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know, that, that's how the podcast came about.
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Yeah. And so it's been a little over a year and
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here we are. It's been great. So my question.
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My question to you guys, I'm going to get some
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of the basics out of the way, and then I want
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to dig into some psychological things. Well,
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Chris has questions. Oh, my bad, too. My bad.
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Yep. Go ahead. Go ahead. You ask yours first.
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Listen, Socrates, listen, I'm telling you ahead
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of time, Chris. She's right. She's right. Socrates
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will not stop talking until the cows come home.
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And then he's like, take a five -minute break
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to take a nap and be right back talking. So you
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should get your questions in. first. I ask a
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lot of questions. You guys go first. Well, I
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mean, so, so my, my question is like, as a cuck,
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I mean, this is the first time we've had, had
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a, had a bull on our show. We've had other couples
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and that kind of stuff. And so like, but my question
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is, I mean, my question is just like, my biggest
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question is like, what? What is happening in
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your mind as you're with somebody else's wife?
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What are your thoughts? What's going on in there?
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Is there a conscious thought like this is even
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hotter because it's somebody's wife? I just really
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want to get into the head of the bowl because
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I know what's in my head. I know what's in Lexi's
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head because I asked her, but I have no idea
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what's in the head of the bowl. So I'm just curious
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what goes through your mind when you're on that
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experience. Yeah, that's an awesome question.
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I'm excited to hear the answer. So, like I said,
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I was lucky to stumble across high -level operators.
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So I'm going to tell you what goes through their
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mind. Everybody else's, I'm just going to say
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opportunity. Yeah, it's cool. I get to fuck another
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man's wife. Some of it's pride. Some of it's
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just how hot it is. Some of it's lust. It's a
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variety. It depends on the bull. But what goes
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through my and the men that I try to hang around
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with and I aspire to be? And, um, is one leadership.
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So we're there to lead you through an experience.
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We're there to enjoy ourselves in the process
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of leading the couple, especially couple couples.
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They're the best at this ability to have this
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dance where a good authority, which I think a
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bull is for me, a bull is one word and one word
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only the authority in the room. If you're leading
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her, to ecstasy. You're leading her to her fantasies.
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You're leading her to even things that she didn't
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know was there. And you're including the cuck
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in a way that's powerful, that enhances their
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marriage. That's what I'm thinking about. And
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I call that an explosion. If you get there and
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the wife explodes, you get squirt, you get sounds
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out of her. You've never heard before. You get
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excitement, you get sluttiness, you get all of
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those things. And the cuck, is his energy is
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exciting and it feeds her. And so if I can spark
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that flow, as Michael C calls it, that flow of
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power and energy, and I can keep that flowing,
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then it's just awesome. And the cool thing is
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that also works in reverse. If it's not a good
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vibe, if I start that flow, I see a lot faster,
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like it's not going to work. To answer your question,
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what goes through my mind is how am I going to
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lead you through this flow of us just having
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a great time and pleasing each other? That is
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a good answer, man. I know you had a question.
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Did you have a question? You had mentioned to
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me when we were outside that you had one, but
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now I can't even remember what it was. No, I
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can't either. But, you know, one other question
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I had is, you know, what have you learned about
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relationships by being invited into so many of
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them? Like, you get to see so many different
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perspectives of different relationships. Is there
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something that you've learned about relationships
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in general? Sir, brother, I tip my hat to you.
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You got some good questions. Okay. I feel challenged
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here. All righty. Let's go. All right. Doesn't
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happen very often because your brain pan is extended.
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This is an awesome question. You're in trouble
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now because I have an episode on there, a segment
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called Socrates' Philosophies and Hypotheses.
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It's based on my favorite song from Wu -Tang
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Triumph, and I talk about it. They're called
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The Twelve Principles. And to answer your question
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directly, a lot. Because we are vulnerable in
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our most... That exposed state, not only is it
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the sexual part you're exposing your body, you're
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exposing the cubs, exposing himself to the bull.
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The bull is exposing his body. But there's some
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emotions, even if you're not polyamorous, there's
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some, you know, excitement and angst and all
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of these kind of things. Well, all the kind of
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true things come out. And the more experienced
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you are as a bull and the more you start. gaining
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their trust and being the authority in the room
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the more they're going to open up so you you
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learn things like oh a big thing i've been thinking
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about is the thing is not the thing um uh siren
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says that a lot and mr mocha says that a lot
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in other words like you learn if she's yelling
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you about the rice krispies and ain't about the
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rice krispies you know it's about the fact that
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you know even though i'm a slutty uh cuckoldress
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or hot wife and I'm fucking 15 guys in a weekend,
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you better not look at this girl at your job.
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And she's feeling that. And she's feeling guilty
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about it, but at the same time, fuck no, this
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is my husband, and this is my father and my children,
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and this is my life, and this is also the guy
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where I feel the most comfortable when my cook
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either knows where I'm at or is in the room or
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a part of it. So you learn so much because...
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You get to see couples in their most vulnerable
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state. You get to see them argue about shit that
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you're like, this has to be an inside joke stuff
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or inside things. I don't know what the fuck
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y 'all arguing about. And you get to see body
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language and you get to see people's insecurities.
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I love it. I learned so much from it. Very nice.
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Thank you. And over to you all. And I know you
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have a lot of, a lot of questions for us. Yeah.
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So I'm Lexi, talk to me about what I kind of
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just talked about is how much does your cuck
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being in the room or knowing what's going on
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or behind you, how much does that add to your
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feeling of safety? How much does that add to
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my what? Feeling of being safe, of safety, of
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just feeling safe in the room or what you're
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doing. Well, for one thing, I feel natural safety
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when Chris is around because he knows how to
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fight. So I feel protected. Like if anything
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ever went wrong, I know that he knows how to
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beat some ass. So that's my first thing. By the
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way, just to clarify, so I'm a retired combat
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sport athlete. So that's what she means now that
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I'm getting into a bunch of street fights. Yeah.
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She's a trained professional. Exactly. So there
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is safety in that. um which is is very nice and
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it's a nice feeling having him around um for
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that aspect but you know having him um in the
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room or nearby you know it it adds an extra layer
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of excitement it adds an extra layer of you know
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almost my kind of performance to to be honest
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you know i mean Some of what I, you know, a lot
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of what I do is just whatever comes naturally
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and feels good. But I also have, you know, my
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cuck in the back of my mind and I'm not forgetting
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that he's there and I'm trying to make sure that
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I include him in the most deliciously teasing
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way possible. So it does add an extra layer of
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satisfaction knowing that he's there or really
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close by and listening and um that he's getting
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the full monty the full experience of everything
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that's going on whereas you know sometimes we're
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not together and i have to tell him about it
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afterwards um so it's nice to you know have him
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there yeah i love that i love that um and and
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that's what i love about the cuckoo dynamic is
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that i know that No matter where the cuck is
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coming from, from, like, total sissy, like, cross
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-dressing or it doesn't matter to full -on, like,
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say, combat sports. I know a couple of three
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-letter guys, three -letter agency guys, you
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know, military. I'm military. I also trained.
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So I know. the gambit but at the same time i've
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talked to a lot of wives and they all feel that
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sense of safety and that sense of excitement
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and that sense of even taboo -ness with their
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husbands present or part of it um i love that
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it's so powerful uh chris let me i mean i i i
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i agree i agree with that and you know i think
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um you know when lexi is by herself um like the
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other night she had experience where i wasn't
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i wasn't there Um, and it's just, um, it adds
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a lot when, um, I like, I like a mix. So I like
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being there part of the time, but part of the
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time, I think it's kind of fun to not be there
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so that she can kind of do whatever she has in
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her mind and not have to worry about, because
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when, when I'm there, she is the best at including
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me. Um, and sometimes I feel guilty about that.
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Sometimes I just want to let her go have fun.
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I wouldn't argue with that that's fun too sometimes
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yeah well that's part of it too like I mean um
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I know that you know we're not in the same dynamic
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but when my husband is not there I just feel
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this extra sense of you know just being present
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with that person um but then when he's there
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it's almost like I want to include him but I
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also want to well he always jumps in um that's
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just what he's not uh he's not a very good at
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sitting stag he jumps in and i love it but um
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there's almost just like this i want to show
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it's like a little bit showy for me with him
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like i want to i'm like a little prized pony
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that i just kind of want to prance around and
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like you know make him proud so i don't have
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as much of that when he's not there so i understand
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the difference between you know, the different
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feelings that you have when your husband's there
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and when your husband's not there. Agreed. What
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other questions do you have, Chris? Well, one
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thing I wanted to know is like, have you ever
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like actually turned a couple down? Like a red
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flag or anything and you've just been like, hell
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no. Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. You know, we,
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I've turned them down for you. Liars. I call
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myself vibe sexual. Vibe is very important. You
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obviously want to be attracted to the woman,
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of course. You have your standards. But for me,
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if the vibe is off, yeah. But a lot of times,
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I'm so curious about the vibe, I can't tell the
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vibe's off for a while. So I do trust my wife
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in those situations. I might stomp around and
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be like, oh, man, I want to meet some pushy.
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But I trust her judgment. I guess he's not a
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free -range bull. That's what a married bull
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does. But I like it because, you know, a lot
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of the free -range bulls, they run into a lot
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of problems that I kind of get to avoid because
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I have a teammate. the couple doesn't even know
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I'm, they know I'm married, but she doesn't even
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know anything about Siren. And some are like,
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I feel like they talk to her more than they talk
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to me. You know what I'm saying? But it's always
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about vibe. It's definitely when the ethics are
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kind of wonky, when they're shady, we're definitely
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stepping away from that. And when it's obvious
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that one couple or another is trying to do it
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just for that. For themselves. Yeah. I think
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Siren doesn't see that I kind of filter a lot
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of those people out. Yeah. Before she gets to
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know them. Yeah. I'm just talking about that
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one couple. Yeah. We got to it. Like we talked
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to the husband. He talked to the husband for
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a long time. For months. We both did. And the
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husband's really excited. And we're kind of like,
24:34
hey, when can we talk to the wife? When can we
24:36
talk to the wife? Oh, she doesn't want to get
24:37
involved until right before. That's a big red
24:39
flag when they don't want to get their wife involved
24:42
for a long time. But there's a variety of reasons
24:46
they cannot want that. It doesn't mean that every
24:47
time. But we got all the way to drinks. And we
24:51
were going to basically go. And I was going to
24:53
cuck sit him, the cook. And he was excited about
24:56
that. And we get to drinks. They show up. And
24:59
he had told us that he had told her and, you
25:03
know, she was excited and all this stuff. And
25:05
that was like a couple of days before. Well,
25:07
she gets there. She's like, I just found out
25:09
about this like an hour before. And she didn't
25:12
feel prepared. She's like, my toes aren't done.
25:14
Like things that she wanted to feel good as a
25:17
woman. She just sort of felt like it was sprung
25:19
on her. And then and then I just turned to the
25:22
cuck. I wouldn't say this is not my shining moment.
25:24
OK, I'm just being authentic. But I just turned
25:26
to him and I said, oh, so you lied. And my husband
25:31
was like, maybe that wasn't like what you needed
25:33
to say in that moment. But I was just like, oh,
25:36
I think I was disappointed, too. Like because
25:40
I was excited about the experience getting to
25:42
happen. And then when that happened and then
25:45
the wife clearly was not like on board and ready
25:48
to go, then I just was like disappointed. So
25:51
I just was like, you lied. And then it went down
25:55
from there. Yeah. So. You know, that's one example.
26:00
And then he's done plenty on his own where he's,
26:02
like, filtered them out before I even sometimes
26:04
even know, you know, that there is a couple.
26:08
You know, there's a lot that fall off pretty
26:09
quickly. I just had a guy that was cheating on
26:13
his wife, met another lady in a nearby state.
26:19
She's ethically non -monogamous. Her husband
26:21
knows. Everything's great. They're going to kind
26:23
of get together. It's kind of like playing the
26:26
cuck. I didn't know this until later. But, you
26:28
know, like playing the cuck thing. And then I
26:31
was really clear. Your wife knows about this.
26:34
Yes. And he was like, yes. Boom. Your husband
26:37
knows about this. Yes. Boom. I always take a
26:40
screenshot of that. Next thing you know, man,
26:42
two days later, the wife texts me. I went through
26:46
my husband's phone and he's cheating on me. So
26:49
that's a way of filtering. I make people say
26:51
very clearly. The wife's involved, yes. I need
26:55
to talk to the wife. I need to see if there's
26:57
an attraction. There's so many things you need
26:59
to filter out because, look, I own businesses.
27:02
I travel. I take care of this crazy bitch right
27:05
here. I don't need any of that shit. I don't
27:12
need it to go that way. So the more you filter,
27:15
the more you have, I think, real life standards.
27:20
If you want to filter for armpit hair, that's
27:22
fine. But I think you should look for characteristics
27:24
and you want, you know, or at least know what
27:29
you're getting into. Like right now I'm running
27:30
into a lot of new couples and I'm like, okay,
27:33
breathe and educate because in where we live,
27:36
it's kind of like where we're at. They're probably
27:39
10, 15 years behind what most of America is at.
27:43
you know i have to know what that is yeah it's
27:46
just calibrating be patient right calibrating
27:48
for who you're dealing with but if it's ethics
27:50
if it's lack of communication if it's not sure
27:53
you really want to do this all of those things
27:55
oh no we're not fucking with you yeah absolutely
28:01
that makes sense and that doesn't mean people
28:03
can't change their mind there's a lot of people
28:05
that feel really ready and then right when it
28:07
gets before it they just you know That pit in
28:11
their stomach just tells them, hey, we're not
28:12
– we thought we were ready. We're not quite there.
28:14
So we're not criticizing anyone who – you always
28:17
have the freedom of choice. Yeah, and you had
28:20
mentioned something that really – like I always
28:24
worry about a cuck trying to like almost trick
28:29
their wife into this. Have you guys encountered
28:31
that? Because like that's – yeah, like that to
28:34
me is like really not cool. yeah well i think
28:38
sometimes too and i and i try to and when i am
28:40
talking to the cuck i try to talk to him and
28:42
say listen talk to me for as long as you want
28:45
to but i said really what is going to get you
28:49
there and what helped me to get into the lifestyle
28:51
was talking to another woman so i said if you
28:54
connect me with your wife I said, I know how
28:57
to talk to her about it, engage where she's at
29:00
so that she doesn't feel like it's something
29:02
she's being coerced in. Because I can understand
29:04
you're excited. You want your wife to have a
29:06
good time. You want her to be able to express
29:08
herself. But a lot of those women need to hear
29:11
from another woman to feel more comfortable about
29:13
it. So I try to advocate for that. Sometimes
29:17
they listen and sometimes they don't. But, yeah,
29:21
we do run into that. And I want to kind of swim
29:24
in some gray area stuff here, too. Because I've
29:26
been really researching this for the 12 principles.
29:30
I don't know if I mentioned it, but it's called
29:32
the 12. And there are 12 basic principles that
29:34
I think every man should have when he's interacting
29:36
with a female, a cisgender female. Is that...
29:42
There's a gray area between tricking and really
29:47
pushing and helping and convincing and nudging
29:52
your wife because you know that's what she needs.
29:57
And I'm saying there's a gray area because tricking
30:01
is wrong. And I have experience. I've showed
30:03
up to freaking coffee dates, thought I was going
30:05
to meet all three of them. He's just there. And
30:07
he's like, well, can you help me convince her?
30:10
The fuck? No, dude, no. Well, it's because he
30:13
wasn't transparent with you. You know what I
30:15
mean? We can help if they're transparent, but
30:18
if they lie, then we can't do anything. But I've
30:21
also seen anything from cheating to nudging and,
30:27
I don't want to say coercing, but encouraging,
30:30
pushing, nudging, because she knows she's shy,
30:36
she's... Excuse me. She knows that there's a
30:41
lot of women out there, the freakiest ones are
30:43
the ones that are like, I don't know. I'm too
30:45
sure. Because in the back of their mind, they're
30:47
like, I got some pretty freaky ass damn fantasies.
30:51
And I don't know if he can handle it. And I don't
30:53
know if I can handle it. And I don't know what's
30:54
going to happen. And so there's that balance.
30:58
I think it's really about the intentions of the
31:01
man. You got to be a man, whether you're a cuck
31:03
or a bull or whatever you got to be. You got
31:04
to stand up and say, this is what I want. Advocate
31:06
for yourself. You have to risk rejection. You
31:10
have to risk her having a problem for a damn
31:13
year because how dare you, you know? Bring it
31:17
up, even. Right. But you got to, besides that,
31:21
you kind of have to be open -minded and you kind
31:24
of have to let that process go through. But at
31:27
the same time, some women just need, like, some
31:32
women really need, oh, he just showed up. And
31:36
I hate to say it, but I've heard too many success
31:38
stories from he just invited this really good
31:42
-looking, tall, dark, and handsome guy, and my
31:46
pussy melted, and I started changing my mind.
31:48
And it's like, that kind of sucks that it works,
31:52
but it does. Yeah, and I do coaching too with
31:57
men and women and couples. And so many times
32:01
I have guys that will start with me and they're
32:05
like, I really want to convince her that this
32:07
is a great lifestyle and things like that. And
32:09
so then I'll end up with her permission speaking
32:11
with her and helping her to kind of see what
32:15
the advantages are to this lifestyle and getting
32:19
her on board if she is willing and able to be
32:22
on board. So, you know, I agree. There's a difference
32:28
between nudging, planting seeds, you know, helping
32:32
to introduce the idea and then just plain being
32:36
manipulative and forcing her into a corner. Deceitful,
32:41
coercing, threatening, all of that. I feel like
32:44
the guys who, I mean, I have no idea. You've
32:47
obviously talked to way more. But for me, I feel
32:52
like. women who really enjoy surprises and have
32:57
been clear about like maybe talking more about
33:00
their fantasies and stuff. That's maybe the ones
33:02
that you could surprise a little bit more, not
33:04
the ones where they're like, what the heck is
33:06
going on? We've never even discussed this, you
33:09
know? But, but the husband, I feel like that
33:12
comes from knowing your wife and having the knowledge.
33:15
And so if you feel confident as a husband, like
33:17
I really know my wife and I know that she's talked
33:22
about these things, we've talked about these
33:24
things and she. just as being a little shy, then
33:27
those, that's when the surprise factor, you know,
33:30
could work. What, what do you think? Yeah. Yeah.
33:35
Right. Or it could, you know, backfire spectacularly.
33:39
It could, but it, but you know, like that's just
33:42
the risk that men take when surprising women,
33:44
because unfortunately we change our minds all
33:46
the time. And, but that is also the benefit of
33:49
when we change our minds all the time in the
33:50
moment, we're like. Oh, actually, I do want that
33:54
big dick in my mouth right now. Okay. You know,
33:59
when previously we were a tiny bit nervous. All
34:03
right. I'm always going to err on the side of
34:07
caution. That's just my personality. But definitely
34:12
don't deceive, in my opinion. Don't lie, you
34:16
know. And please, for the love of everything,
34:20
don't try to get your wife drunk and just have
34:23
her hook up with a ring. That's the thing that
34:25
scares me the most. That's the thing that terrifies
34:28
me that a cuck might do. And I just don't want
34:32
that because that destroys what this lifestyle
34:35
is built on, which is trust. I totally agree.
34:39
There's so many couples or people that I've heard
34:42
stories of that are not in the lifestyle because...
34:45
their their husband their cuck tried to do it
34:47
in a really fucked up way a very irresponsible
34:51
way and now she's soured to the community and
34:55
now she's like well this is you the way you guys
34:57
handle things then i don't want to be a part
35:00
of this community you know so it really sucks
35:03
um chris i wanted to ask you a question uh as
35:09
far as lexi talked about involving you Talk to
35:14
me about that process. What is it about being
35:19
involved that a cuck or you that really gets
35:24
you going or that what turns you on or the magic
35:27
about it? That's a really good question. I think
35:32
that. You know, when we started off as stag vixens,
35:37
so like you, Socrates, I was not good at like
35:40
staying on the bench. I liked that the cup tier
35:43
had no place. He wiggles really hard, even when
35:47
it's me and another woman. Like when we're like,
35:50
hey, just sit there for a few minutes. He is
35:52
wiggling like crazy. But, you know, we had an
35:57
experience where I wasn't there and I just enjoyed
36:00
it so much. And that's kind of where we turned
36:02
the corner. I really enjoy both of it, but when
36:07
I'm present and when I'm involved, it just completes
36:10
the circle. And even if I'm not present, if she's
36:14
engaged with me in some way or another, even
36:16
if it's sending little videos, sending a couple
36:19
pictures, anything where I'm engaged a little
36:21
bit helps me just feel... it makes me feel just
36:25
included you know and and i otherwise i'm just
36:29
kind of sitting there and and with my cuck angst
36:31
which which is fun too like that's the cool thing
36:34
about my side of the dynamic is that there's
36:37
so many different fun ways to to be engaged in
36:41
this. Um, there's a sitting in the waiting and
36:43
just wondering what is happening. And then, you
36:45
know, I've, I've, I'm now like classically conditioned,
36:48
like Pavlov's dog when she is out. And then there's
36:52
a little ping on my cell phone that it's a, you
36:55
know, text and I, and I see it's her, like my
36:57
heart goes racing because this one here, Lexi,
37:01
like knows how to tease. I mean, she, she literally
37:04
wrote a book on how to, how to tease a cup. um
37:07
and um i mean she's she's so good at it so when
37:10
i get those texts and that just makes me feel
37:12
so engaged and then also like when the scene
37:14
is over like so she's if she's not with me and
37:18
she's coming home the next day or something like
37:20
that the next morning and she like just gives
37:21
me a call the next morning just hey good morning
37:23
like on my way home like that's so nice because
37:27
it just feels so reconnecting and like oh like
37:29
the first thing you thought of as you were leaving
37:30
was was you know me and that was just that was
37:33
just so nice But it always just feels like our
37:35
relationship is more intact when I'm involved
37:38
in one way or another. It lowers, though, the
37:42
cut games, like honestly. So like there's a part
37:44
of it that is less fun because when I'm there,
37:47
I don't have the angst because I know what is
37:49
happening and I can physically see it. There's
37:53
some other stuff that is like there. You know,
37:55
it's more teasing. Maybe there's some humiliation
37:58
aspects, those kind of things. But the angst
38:00
isn't there for me. When I'm present, like. I'm
38:03
not worried about anything. She's there. We're
38:04
just going to have a good time. So that's kind
38:07
of my perspective on that is that I like both.
38:09
I like being there sometimes. I like not being
38:11
there sometimes. I think they're equally fun.
38:13
I just like a balance. That's dope. Lexi, what
38:17
turns you on about it? Well, I mean. It's fun
38:24
in both instances. You know, when he's there,
38:28
it's, again, it's a show. There's a sense of,
38:34
I get to, like what Siren said, you know, I get
38:37
to kind of show off a little bit. You know, I
38:39
get to be up close and personal, turning him
38:43
on, showing him what I can do when I'm with someone
38:46
that's not him. And so I really enjoy that aspect
38:50
of it. But I also enjoy... times where I'm out
38:54
on my own, I get to fully focus on my goal and
38:58
enjoy it. But I also get to send teasing pics
39:02
and messages to Chris to kind of keep the fun
39:09
going and just be like. hey, I know you're sitting
39:13
at home, poor thing. Let me tease you and make
39:16
it worse. That's fun. I like that. And, you know,
39:23
and then when I get home, he's like wagging his
39:26
tail like a little puppy. He's like, tell me
39:28
everything. I want to know everything. And I'm
39:31
like, yeah, I guess I'll tell you some things
39:34
and then you have to earn the rest, you know?
39:35
So it's fun that way because he wasn't there
39:39
to. see everything and experience everything.
39:42
So now I have a fun story to tell and he's dying
39:45
for the information and I can, I can tell him
39:49
right away where I can draw it out. I, you know,
39:54
I can make him earn it. It's, it's a whole new
39:56
level of fun. Yeah. I love that. It sounds fun.
40:01
It sounds fun. You know, what's interesting too,
40:03
is like, I know that there is, you know, cut
40:07
Queens as well. But you don't hear as many women
40:11
who are like, I was just sitting home doing nothing,
40:15
twiddling my thumbs and dying to hear about what
40:17
my husband did. It just seems to be so exciting
40:21
from the male perspective. They are so excited
40:25
by it and so pleased by the thought of their
40:29
wife out there doing what she does and coming
40:32
home and hearing about it. Yeah, it's honestly
40:36
hard to do anything else. Putting on a movie
40:38
or something like that, it's so hard to concentrate
40:40
on anything else when she's out. You almost are
40:43
just in paralysis. You're just paralyzed. You're
40:47
just like, what is happening right now? It's
40:49
so fun. But I do have a question for you all.
40:53
And this one is one that... you know lexi you
40:55
get a lot in your coaching um is where in the
40:58
world do we find bulls because i know lexi you
41:01
i mean it's it's not easy especially i mean there's
41:04
a lot of guys who want to fuck you but there's
41:06
not a lot of like good bulls yeah i mean the
41:10
challenge yeah where do you where do you find
41:12
guys like like you socrates and the guys you
41:15
roll with okay so he's dying to answer but i'm
41:19
gonna answer so first of all ladies please Send
41:23
me a message on Telegram, Siren1982, and I will
41:27
put you in my ladies group. And wherever you
41:30
are in the country, we have a network. We have
41:33
a referral system. And you can check guys there,
41:36
and you can also find guys in your area that
41:41
they recommend. And this network grew from the
41:45
Splash Mocha events, and most of the ladies in
41:48
there are from there. You know, we've just grown
41:52
our our referral system of bulls and we wish
41:55
that the men would sometimes send us some referrals
41:58
that way to like refer the ladies to, you know,
42:02
each other like that. But sorry, I messed that
42:05
up. We wish the bulls would sometimes refer us
42:09
ladies to each other as well. But we're very
42:13
good about referring bulls to other ladies in
42:17
our group. Did I totally fuck that up? No. You
42:20
look confused. Okay. Okay. So if you join our
42:24
ladies group, if you tell us the area that you're
42:27
in, we, you know, usually unless it's just someplace
42:31
really obscure, you can find, you know, some
42:36
guys. I can think of probably at least, you know,
42:41
50 to 75 bulls off the top of my head that I
42:44
could refer, depending on where you are. in the
42:48
country and i haven't even been in it that long
42:50
but just such a group good group of ladies um
42:54
that you know are experienced and have high standards
43:00
and then you can also you know check guys in
43:03
there too we do not allow uh, you know, you don't
43:07
railroad guys and be like, Oh, I didn't like
43:09
his attitude or he smelled weird. We don't like,
43:12
I do not allow that. But if you want to refer
43:15
somebody, if you want to say something good,
43:17
if you need to check a guy, then we say, Hey,
43:20
send me a message. I have something to say about
43:22
him, you know, that you might want to be aware
43:24
of, but, um, it's a really good, it's a really
43:28
good network. So if you get in the network with
43:30
other ladies, um, you know, then we can help
43:33
you. So on the other side of that, so shameless
43:41
plug, definitely go check that out, y 'all. And
43:44
that's something we're also building is a network
43:46
of bulls across this country. My question to
43:50
you, Lexi, is are you queen of spades or are
43:52
you kind of just open to different racial and
43:55
cultural bulls? Oh, I'm totally open. Okay. I
44:00
like everything. That definitely makes it easier
44:03
for you. Yeah, it makes it easier. Yeah, no,
44:05
it does. It gives me a lot more variety. Yeah,
44:08
yeah, yeah, yeah. So for your audience, I would
44:13
say you have, nowadays, it's not where it used
44:18
to be, where it's like this taboo thing where
44:20
people go on Craigslist and it was a couple of
44:22
people here and a couple of people there. Lifestyle.
44:27
Ethical non -monogamy is blowing up. So you're
44:29
going to have to use, like, a three -pronged
44:31
approach, in my opinion. One approach is you
44:35
definitely have to go online to the dating sites.
44:39
I would recommend research which one in your
44:42
area, because I know, like, certain areas of
44:46
the country, or Cassidy's better, or certain
44:48
areas, SDC, certain areas, SLS. I like Field.
44:53
Field is a decent app. But I would say online
44:56
is SLS, SDC, all those things. Then I would definitely
45:00
go your phone. I would do an app. I would do
45:03
3F. I had a lot of success with Adult Friend
45:09
Finder, believe it or not. I know a lot of people
45:10
didn't. And then there's Field, which is great.
45:14
And then the third one, I was really going to
45:16
some events. And I would go to Hot Wife Palooza.
45:19
I know the promoter for that. I've heard some
45:22
great things. I haven't gone yet, but it's next
45:25
on my list. Splash Moke is great. Yeah, Splash
45:31
Moke is great. That is specifically for the interracial
45:35
hot wife scene. So it's some of the best bulls.
45:39
Not all of them are the best, but some of the
45:41
best bulls. BBC African -American bulls in the
45:45
country. Then I also know, you know, there's
45:49
Colette in your area, but I'm not going to say
45:56
that area unless you guys want me to. But there's
45:58
good clubs like Colette, things like that. I
46:01
would do that because you don't want to depend
46:06
on one of them, you know, and you can balance
46:09
it out. You could do like one website. one visit
46:13
a year, but I would really get out there and
46:15
meet people in the flesh and start building that
46:18
network and also meeting other ladies. And like
46:22
she said, because there's a bunch of Telegram
46:24
groups and Facebook groups and all kind of other
46:29
different groups, kit groups that have these
46:32
communities. And that's the best way is to vet
46:35
them, is to get on a community like the Siren
46:38
of Freedom Telegram group and really get... vetted
46:42
guys, guys that women have said, yeah, this guy's
46:45
great. I love this about him. I love that about
46:47
him. You know, they share the groups. Kathy K
46:50
has one. I recommend that and just be selective.
46:53
So throw a large net, but be really selective
46:57
on what you pull in. Absolutely. There's a lot
47:03
of really good options. Yeah. That's really helpful.
47:07
And I think that kind of tracks. That really
47:12
tracks with the way that we have found guys.
47:16
It's like we haven't found them in one specific
47:18
way. Like we've found them on field. We have
47:21
found them at swingers clubs. We've found them.
47:24
Vanilla dating sites. Vanilla dating sites. Like
47:27
Lexi the other night met a guy. She was just
47:29
out. at a bar with a girlfriend and, like, met
47:32
a guy. So, like, sometimes it's like that. We're
47:35
just, like, at a normal bar, especially if I'm
47:38
not. If I'm there, it, like, fucks it all up.
47:40
Like, guys don't approach her. But whenever I'm
47:41
not there, like, she has a good time. So, I mean,
47:45
I think that's great. Yeah, you're not, like,
47:46
a wingman. You're more, like, a deterrent. I
47:48
am. You know what? Cucks are the greatest wing
47:51
person for bulls and hot wives. Like, because
47:54
we're on both of your sides. We're rooting for
47:56
both of you. Yeah, but if guys see you with me,
47:58
they automatically are, like... yeah they're
48:01
just like oh she's taken i'm out yeah same thing
48:04
for me and even set some of the events it's like
48:07
because guys will say to me like well i'm no
48:09
socrates i just had that recently you know we
48:13
had i had a guy and he was like well i'm no socrates
48:16
but i'm gonna give it like my best shot and i'm
48:19
just like i just want to experience you like
48:21
i get to experience socrates every day every
48:23
day of the week and i'm very privileged and glad
48:26
for that but i want the experience that you bring
48:29
sir so please don't compare that's like you know
48:33
we just call i do it because i compare myself
48:36
to people sometimes i'm just like any other woman
48:38
but um comparisons of thief of joy it's like
48:41
every experience is unique you know i had one
48:43
lady come to me and be like Oh my God, I had
48:46
the bestest time ever with your husband. And
48:48
I can't believe that you get that every day.
48:50
And I said, oh, he never gives me what he just
48:52
gave you. And she looked at me in horror. And
48:55
I said, now let me explain. Because every time
48:58
that you interact with someone, you bring a different
49:01
energy and they bring a different energy. So
49:04
no two experiences are alike. Even the experiences
49:07
that I have with my own husband are not going
49:09
to be the same. You know, because there's so
49:13
many different variables in it. So you really
49:15
can't compare that. Even like you might have
49:18
like a OK experience with a guy one time and
49:21
then the next time it's out of this world. So
49:23
because it's just there's so many variables in
49:25
each experience. So you really have to just own
49:28
those experiences for yourself and know that
49:31
you're having something that's unique to you
49:34
and your play partner that no one else is going
49:36
to have. There may be the moves, you know, the
49:39
different things that. that he brings to the
49:41
table, of course, but the entire experience is
49:44
going to be unique to the individuals participating.
49:49
That's so true. Absolutely. Lexi, so you... That
49:55
was all the questions that we had on our end.
49:57
Oh, really? Oh, okay. Well... But go for it.
50:01
I mean, fire away if y 'all had some more. Yeah,
50:04
I'm always full of them. And if you guys have
50:07
more as well. Lexi, you said you are coaching,
50:10
right? Talk to us about that. Talk to us about
50:13
your coaching program. Yeah, so, you know, I
50:17
pretty much coach from all different levels.
50:22
You know, people, a lot of guys will reach out
50:24
that. They have been wanting this for a while,
50:27
and they really want to broach the subject with
50:29
their partner, and they're scared to because,
50:32
you know, if you do it wrong, it can really backfire
50:37
and go poorly, and then you never get another
50:39
chance. So they'll want some advice on that.
50:43
Some of them want me to actually talk to her.
50:48
you know, show her why this is such a great lifestyle
50:51
and a great option. Some women will, their partner
50:56
have already, has already like mentioned that
50:58
they want this, but they're kind of not sold.
51:00
They're like, oh, it just sounds like work on
51:02
my part. I don't know. And so I'll talk to them
51:05
about how, you know, the work part's easy and
51:09
so worth it. And there's so many benefits and
51:12
so much fun to be had. Sometimes it's, you know,
51:16
they're together as a couple and they're just
51:19
kind of maybe having a rocky go of it. And so
51:22
they're wanting some ideas on how to best go
51:27
about it. So, yeah, you know, I kind of help
51:31
with those sort of issues. I also help single
51:35
guys who are not in a relationship, but they'd
51:40
like to be in one. They want to know. Where to
51:43
find a girl, how to approach a girl, when to
51:45
bring it up, how to bring it up, how their profile,
51:47
their dating profile should be, what it should
51:50
say, if it should mention it, if it shouldn't,
51:52
et cetera. I love it. Yeah. And I think, Chris,
51:59
you said she, you guys have a book, right? Lexi
52:04
does. Lexi wrote a, what is it called? Wild to
52:07
Wild, 100 Ways to Tease Your Cuck. 100 Ways to
52:10
Tease, Tempt, and Control Your Cuck. That's it.
52:12
That's the full title of it. Yeah, it's actually,
52:15
it's so, yeah, so it's a hundred different ways.
52:17
And the way she wrote it, like the way you wrote
52:20
it, honey, was pretty cool because like it started
52:21
off like super, super tame, right? Very. And
52:24
then it ends pretty intense. Yeah, it's all about
52:27
like the, you know, slow, gentle burn, mind fuck.
52:30
And then, you know, toward the end, it's like,
52:33
Oh, wow. That's an idea. Um, but yeah, like it's
52:37
available, um, through my website, um, tuckholderslexie
52:41
.com that's L E X I E. And then it's also available
52:45
on Amazon. Yeah. You just search your name, Lexi
52:50
Meadows, and you can find the book. Yeah. So
52:52
send us the link. We will definitely put it in
52:54
the show notes for on our end. You got it. Thank
52:58
you. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. I'm looking
52:59
forward to reading it. is it on audible because
53:02
i don't read a lot i listen to a lot of books
53:06
though actually it's not we need to do that lexi
53:10
has a great voice for audible so we need to record
53:13
that and there would be it is very lucrative
53:16
from what i hear it is that is definitely a lot
53:19
of people moving a lot more to audibles um interesting
53:23
yeah yeah i love it so um how do you pick a bull
53:32
whether it's online or meeting somebody at a
53:36
bar what are you looking at you know besides
53:39
attraction you could talk about his physical
53:41
looks but what are you looking at besides your
53:45
physical attraction to a bull so i'm looking
53:50
at the general vibe that he's giving me um you
53:52
know i i like gentlemen I don't really go for
53:57
the pompous asshole types. I like a respectful
54:03
gentleman with clearly a naughty side who knows
54:08
what he's doing. So if a guy can convince me
54:12
that he has those qualities, like it's... and
54:15
he's and he's attractive to me it's pretty much
54:18
in the bag like i'm not gonna ask how big you
54:21
know he is necessarily i'm just gonna be like
54:23
oh hey hey you um so i i do go a lot off of um
54:29
attractiveness and vibes and i want someone that
54:32
is going to be respectful of me you know um and
54:36
if chris is going to be involved i want him to
54:38
be you know respectful um of my cook you know
54:42
i know that all cucks are different and want
54:45
different things and some cucks want to be maybe
54:49
commanded by the bull and um humiliated by the
54:53
bull and you know for for chris that's not really
54:56
what he's looking for in there and not what i'm
54:59
looking for so i want him to be respectful and
55:03
understand that i'm in charge and you know i'm
55:06
in charge of the scene i'm in charge of uh chris
55:10
and what goes on and that he's not so there has
55:14
to be some humility because some bulls come at
55:17
it from a well i'm the best of the best and i
55:22
get to talk down to your little cuck and i'm
55:24
like no so i you know i want someone who's humble
55:30
but also has it going on yeah and i i mean every
55:34
guy that lexi hooks up with has one thing in
55:36
common they can hold a conversation like i've
55:39
noticed that like lexi is an equal opportunity
55:42
in terms of just like race ethnicity like like
55:46
all that kind of stuff like i've seen her with
55:48
every every kind of guy physically but the thing
55:53
i don't see her with are guys who can't hold
55:54
a conversation and talk to her like that's like
55:57
that's the end for her so if you're trying to
56:00
get in Lexi's pants, you better be able to talk
56:03
to her and to be interested in her life. And
56:07
that's the one thing that I see consistent is
56:09
if a guy can sit with Lexi for a couple of hours
56:13
and the conversation is good, it's probably going
56:15
to end well for you. I mean, honey, that's my
56:17
observation is that you care more about their
56:20
personality. Like their looks are important,
56:22
but personality is critical. They need both.
56:25
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we... We talk a lot about that
56:30
on the Bull Brotherhood, on being able to hold
56:33
a good conversation, on being able to mind fuck
56:35
before you physically fuck. And we, cuckoldry
56:40
to me is a very cerebral lifestyle. And I think
56:45
being able to hold a good conversation is very
56:47
key. And it's something that on the Bull Brotherhood
56:50
we're always stressing. Now, you know, take my
56:54
lovely wife here. She... I don't know where the
57:00
IQ level is for you, but she's just like, if
57:03
you want to have a good time and fuck, I think
57:05
she's kind of like, I'm cool. I like the variety.
57:08
I was just talking about this today with a gal
57:11
that I was hanging out with today, this afternoon.
57:14
And I said, I just, at first, when I entered
57:17
the lifestyle, I didn't really care. I didn't
57:19
care if you knew how to pronounce my name. I
57:23
just knew if you if you know how to fuck, I was
57:25
ready to go. As I've come along now, I've just
57:30
developed different play styles and different
57:32
things that I want. So I kind of want something
57:35
different from each person. You know, some guys,
57:38
we don't talk much. We banter. We're sarcastic
57:41
to each other. We're almost a little bit mean.
57:46
And I like that. And then the play is hot as
57:48
fuck. Then there's other guys that it's more
57:50
of like, we talk for a long time and then we
57:53
don't, you know, maybe the play is not as long,
57:55
you know? So it just is a variety pack for me,
57:58
but I definitely am very versatile in that, that
58:02
it just really depends on the bull and you know,
58:07
what I'm, what I'm needing in my life at that
58:09
time. Cause sometimes I need a listening ear
58:12
and sometimes I just need you to. you know, rough
58:17
me up and fucking dick me down, you know, like
58:21
I don't need a lot of talking. So I have, I have
58:24
play partners that we don't talk a lot and the
58:27
play is hot. And then we have, I have other ones
58:29
that we talk a lot and you know, the play is,
58:33
is also good. So it's just what I'm, what I'm
58:36
needing. I agree. I do feel like I have varying
58:40
degrees of that as well. Yeah. I mean, to be
58:43
fair, there are some nights where you're like,
58:44
there's not a lot of talking that goes down before
58:46
we end up somewhere, you know, with somebody.
58:49
Yeah, but those are, you know, not as often.
58:51
It's the ones where I expect a good conversation
58:55
for a while beforehand. Yeah, that's the most
58:57
common. Yeah. And that is pretty common in women.
59:00
I call myself a weird girl in the fact that,
59:04
you know, when I was just being a regular hoe
59:06
too, I could just meet a guy at a bar and just
59:08
be like, and he'd be like, oh, can I buy you
59:10
a drink? I was like, you don't need to buy me
59:12
a, or I told this one guy, I ended up dating
59:14
him, but I said. uh if you were planning to roofie
59:17
me tonight you don't need to waste the roofie
59:20
i'm a sure thing and he just stared at me and
59:22
it's a running joke to this day i'm still friends
59:25
with him and he'll be like i'll never forget
59:27
that you said don't waste the roofie um you know
59:31
so you know so sometimes i'm i'm in that mode
59:34
and And and now, you know, as I've become friends
59:37
with different play partners, you know, then
59:38
we have more to talk about. But it was the joke
59:41
for a while. I have to fuck you three times before
59:43
I can even know if I'm going to be your friend,
59:45
because I have lots of friends. I have lots of
59:49
people to talk to, you know, and I got to have
59:54
that the physical piece. you know, be good. But
59:57
now I'm, you know, onto the variety pack. So
59:59
it's a, it's been an evolving journey, but it's
1:00:02
only been, you know, four and a half years for
1:00:04
me. How long have you guys been in the lifestyle?
1:00:07
Well, we've been in it three. I was in it with
1:00:10
a pretty good starter for a while. So. Yeah.
1:00:13
Lexi has a lot more experience in lifestyle than
1:00:15
I do. Sure. But I'm glad I wanted it for a long
1:00:18
time. And so when I found Lexi and kind of. I
1:00:22
dropped it on her and told her that I was looking
1:00:25
for this, you know, and then she had mentioned
1:00:27
that she had previous experience doing it. I
1:00:29
literally was like, Oh, I've been there, done
1:00:31
that. Right. Yeah. Basically proposed. Well,
1:00:39
and, and, and my husband was just like, man,
1:00:42
here's a freak. That was an easy convert. You
1:00:45
know, I just I'm thankful because I said, you
1:00:48
know, I'd probably still be running naked and
1:00:50
wild out there somewhere single if he hadn't
1:00:53
found me and introduced me the right way. I'm
1:00:56
grateful that, you know, I came into it with
1:00:59
someone that, you know, was educated, that did
1:01:02
their research, did their homework because. Although
1:01:05
it's been a place of growth, it hasn't been a
1:01:08
place that has caused, you know, any heartbreak
1:01:11
or extreme pain because of the research and because
1:01:14
of the foundation and the framework that he had
1:01:16
set up previously. So although I definitely would
1:01:21
have fit in sooner, I'm glad that the timing
1:01:24
was what it was. Actually, Simon, that leads
1:01:28
me to a question for you and actually for Lexi,
1:01:31
too, because. You know, Lexi had a lot of fun,
1:01:36
you know, in her life. You sound like you had
1:01:37
a lot of fun in your life. And now you're in
1:01:40
the lifestyle. Can you take somebody who is a
1:01:43
vanilla wife and get her into the lifestyle?
1:01:46
And if so, how does that work and how does that
1:01:48
look different? A vanilla wife. It kind of depends
1:01:56
on, have I really done that? No, I haven't done
1:02:01
that. So I think it's possible. Um, I haven't
1:02:06
found that person yet because the, my vanilla
1:02:09
friends, like they're all just kind of set in
1:02:12
their ways. They're like, they love hearing the
1:02:13
stories, but they're like, I can never do that.
1:02:16
You know? And then they have all their reasons,
1:02:18
you know, um, I'm not like you or, you know,
1:02:21
so that's, that's the hard part is like, you
1:02:23
know, people, different personalities. So I haven't
1:02:27
I haven't brought someone through that. I think
1:02:29
if they were willing and they were open and they
1:02:31
actually wanted to, you know, then I could lead
1:02:35
them through that. But I just haven't found anyone
1:02:39
so far that really wants it, you know. So, yeah,
1:02:45
I agree. I mean, I think that. Go ahead. I think
1:02:50
someone that is single is definitely an easier.
1:02:55
would be an easier convert um we've we have a
1:03:00
unicorn she really was a natural and but she
1:03:04
really only plays with us so we were her first
1:03:06
couple and she has played with other couples
1:03:10
but then she just kind of has defaulted back
1:03:12
to us so you know i really actually was completely
1:03:17
i was only with one person until i was 30 years
1:03:20
old i was only with my first husband and then
1:03:23
when i got divorced is when i had 10 years of
1:03:26
crazy before i met socrates so and now it's a
1:03:29
and i thought it was crazy but really i was only
1:03:32
i was only fucking maybe like twice a week at
1:03:35
the most like we my friend and i would go and
1:03:37
we'd go to vegas and then we would have a good
1:03:39
time there you know but i do i'm way more sexually
1:03:43
active and fulfilled and having way more fun
1:03:46
in the lifestyle than i ever did just being wild
1:03:49
and out in the streets what about what about
1:03:52
you lexi have you converted anybody or do you
1:03:55
or married couples or anything like that i have
1:04:00
um although you know i will say that it is it
1:04:04
is difficult um with vanilla wives that have
1:04:09
never given this any thought and are just kind
1:04:12
of like oh well that's an idea honey you know
1:04:17
it's it's very difficult if they do have more
1:04:21
kind of just willingness to play and open -mindedness,
1:04:27
then it's a lot easier to convince them that
1:04:31
this is worth giving a try and, you know, it's
1:04:36
so much fun. But I think that it really, you
1:04:45
know, goes back to just... how they are internally
1:04:48
and you know you can take someone who has never
1:04:51
had any experience doing anything wild but if
1:04:54
they're naturally very just like i'm game you
1:04:57
know they're they're very willing to try they're
1:05:00
excited by novelty things like that then you
1:05:03
you can probably convince them but someone who
1:05:07
um is just very close -minded very well i think
1:05:11
that's wrong i think that's you know and not
1:05:13
willing to just gives things a chance, then I
1:05:16
mean, no matter how bad the husband wants it
1:05:19
to happen, it's probably not going to happen.
1:05:24
Right. So thus begins, that's, that's kind of
1:05:27
why I, you know, part of the reason of starting
1:05:29
the Siren of Freedom is just to get it out there
1:05:32
that other people And on the non -Patreon side,
1:05:36
I don't talk about the lifestyle, but I do tell
1:05:38
lots of wild stories, have all these people on,
1:05:40
and they can talk about all their sexual experiences.
1:05:43
I want women to just, I want to normalize it.
1:05:46
So much sex talk is hush -hush, and it's pretty
1:05:50
much how all humans got on this planet, but people
1:05:53
don't really want to talk about it. So the more
1:05:55
we can just mainstream talking about sexual things,
1:05:58
and even just... vanilla people's fantasies you
1:06:03
know that to most of us lifestylers are pretty
1:06:05
you know tame now that we've experienced a lot
1:06:09
you know I think that normalizing that talk will
1:06:14
eventually help more and more women to be more
1:06:16
comfortable and know that there's this whole
1:06:19
other world out there that they could be experiencing
1:06:22
but when you're raised you know so conservatively
1:06:25
as so many of my you know people that i've had
1:06:27
on my podcast it's like there's just not a lot
1:06:29
of talk about sex so how is it supposed to be
1:06:32
something that you see as exciting or fun when
1:06:35
it's always shame guilt you know, all these things,
1:06:38
they've been taught that they've been conditioned,
1:06:40
you know, to not even talk about it, you know,
1:06:43
not even for, you know, a lot of girls weren't
1:06:45
even talked to about their periods or anything
1:06:47
else. So when you're not even talked to about
1:06:49
your body and how it works, you know, how are
1:06:52
you supposed to get excited when you, you know,
1:06:55
when you've been conditioned that way? Yeah.
1:06:58
And what's sad is, you know, I've even seen a
1:07:00
few, you know, women that were raised that way
1:07:05
and they, They have the fantasy, but they refuse
1:07:09
to allow themselves to indulge in it because
1:07:12
of how they were raised. They just can't get
1:07:14
over it. And it's a real problem. It's sad to
1:07:18
see. Yeah. I think that if I had stayed married
1:07:21
to my first husband and hadn't gone out there
1:07:24
and just kind of went buck wild as I thought
1:07:27
I was being, you know, I never would have found
1:07:31
the lifestyle. You know, we would have never
1:07:33
found it in that marriage ever. just because
1:07:36
of the way we were raised so you know everything
1:07:39
happens for a reason in the right timing and
1:07:41
you meet the right people and you know and that's
1:07:44
why it's important for us to have these podcasts
1:07:45
because you never know who's going to stumble
1:07:48
across it someday and it and it may change their
1:07:50
whole life um yeah because the lifestyle has
1:07:54
definitely changed mine so anything else socrates
1:08:01
well no we're coming up on time we bought an
1:08:04
hour so we Trying to be cognizant of the time.
1:08:07
Did you guys have any further questions before
1:08:08
we got out of here? I thought this was great.
1:08:11
I love the kind of back and forth. Yeah, I loved
1:08:15
it too. I mean, the one thing that I asked before
1:08:17
we started the podcast, Siren, is that you would
1:08:20
offer Lexi the same thing that you did to Kathy
1:08:22
Kay, which is helping her find some good bulls.
1:08:25
So you got to make sure we connect you two offline.
1:08:28
Yeah, and I got to make sure they're bulls that
1:08:30
like to talk because... I would say it's about
1:08:33
50 -50 if the ones I have are, you know, when
1:08:37
we have these, like, you know, when I had the
1:08:40
weekend with my friend in Houston where we, you
1:08:43
know, we got a room for three days, it was, she
1:08:45
had done most of the talking to the bulls and
1:08:48
I just showed up. So I, you know, we scheduled
1:08:53
it. She gave me the names of the guys. I reached
1:08:55
out to them and said, you know, it's guys that
1:08:57
either she or I already knew. She had, you know,
1:09:01
established the relationship. She's a lot more
1:09:03
chatty with them. We just kind of worked together
1:09:06
on that. I was the scheduler. I was the, hey,
1:09:08
you're coming at this time. This is how it's
1:09:11
going to operate. And then, you know, we kept
1:09:13
the communication flowing. But so some of them
1:09:16
I chatted up and some were very chatty and other
1:09:19
ones. you know we're not they're like hey we'll
1:09:21
see you there so um you know we get we get to
1:09:25
put our bowls into different categories of conversationalists
1:09:28
and DTF so but that network of ladies I will
1:09:33
tell you it you know will will give you the whole
1:09:36
variety I will say most of the ladies in that
1:09:39
group definitely are queen of spades and are
1:09:42
going to send you a lot more black men than anything
1:09:44
else but um you know I know a few I know a few
1:09:48
ladies in your area that play with every race.
1:09:51
I can think of one or two right now. So I'll
1:09:55
definitely get in contact with them and see what
1:09:57
they got out there. Awesome. Thanks. I think
1:10:01
I'm more excited about that. I don't know. You're
1:10:03
smiling right now, Lexi. I like that look in
1:10:06
your eyes. She looks excited. I'm down for that.
1:10:09
By the way, for our audience, where can they
1:10:13
find y 'all? Yeah, so we're on... pretty much
1:10:18
everything, Spotify, Apple. So it's the Bull
1:10:23
Brotherhood podcast. There is bullbrotherhood
1:10:27
.com. It's kind of like an RSS. It's not exactly
1:10:31
what I'm trying to do. I want to definitely get
1:10:33
a better one, but we're also on Telegram, the
1:10:37
Bull Brotherhood with no E, and then Instagram,
1:10:42
YouTube, and then you can email us at bullbrotherhood
1:10:47
at, oh, no. Yeah, thebullbrotherhood at gmail
1:10:50
.com. And then the same for the Siren of Freedom.
1:10:52
You can find us on Patreon, Apple. It's the Siren
1:10:55
of Freedom podcast. The Patreon is where you're
1:10:58
going to get all the juicy lifestyle stuff. You
1:11:02
know, very inexpensive just to join that. Seven
1:11:04
bucks a month or something like that. to get
1:11:06
all the goodies there. You can send me a message
1:11:10
on Telegram, Siren1982, and I can put you into
1:11:14
the ladies group. I like to do a little bit of
1:11:16
vetting before I do that. And then also the sirenoffreedom
1:11:21
at gmail .com if you want to be on the podcast.
1:11:24
I'd love to have you, you know, even if you're
1:11:27
not in the lifestyle and you're just hearing
1:11:29
this somehow, you can be on with any wild and
1:11:31
crazy story or if you just want to. get on there
1:11:34
and have a conversation. So we'd love to have
1:11:36
you. And the same for us, for our audience, where
1:11:41
can we find you guys? So, um, cut cultures, Lexi
1:11:46
.com is, uh, where you can, you know, contact
1:11:50
us and we have all of our info on there. Fancy.
1:11:54
Um, we're also on blue sky at the couple of marriage
1:11:59
pod. Um, where else are we? I think that's it.
1:12:04
Yeah, Blue Sky and then Cuckold vs. Lexi .com
1:12:07
sends you right to all of her other stuff, like
1:12:09
her fans. Yeah, L -E -X -I -E. Nice, nice. Well,
1:12:14
that's a wrap for our show, guys. We really,
1:12:18
really appreciate having you guys on the show.
1:12:20
Hopefully we can do this again. And I'm looking
1:12:24
forward to getting to know you guys and definitely
1:12:27
supporting each other. and listening to your
1:12:30
podcast and learning a lot about, you know, the
1:12:33
couple as a whole. I'm excited. Thank you guys
1:12:37
so much. This is such a pleasure. Definitely.
1:12:41
I was just hyped up all day and then we had that
1:12:45
time conflict. So I was so glad that you guys
1:12:47
could be flexible with that. We appreciate you
1:12:50
working with us and taking the time out of your
1:12:52
day to be here. So, and. That's a wrap, everybody.
1:12:57
Have a great night. And thank you for joining
1:12:59
us on this dual episode of the Siren of Freedom
1:13:01
and the Bull Brotherhood. Have a great night.
1:13:06
Good night, everybody. This brotherhood's for
1:13:23
men whose stories need to be told. This brotherhood's
1:13:27
for men whose stories need to be told. Say it
1:13:29
loud. Say it loud. This is who we are. Bold,
1:13:34
confident, and seductive. Dominant and classy.
1:13:38
We're standing tall, never fall. Bold brotherhood.
1:13:43
Love's to be untold.