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Sammy Hagar: A Discography Discussion [Episode 240] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 2: welcome back Tim Durling, who has a new book out
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  Speaker 2: now called Red on Black, A Listener's Guide to Sammy Hagar.
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  Speaker 2: Tim tackles the discography of the red rocker from his
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six solo debut Nine out of Ten Scale
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  Speaker 2: through twenty twenty two's Crazy Times. All of Sammy's solo
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  Speaker 2: albums are extensively reviewed. He also has sections on Mantros,
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  Speaker 2: van Halen and his supergroup chicken Foot, whether it's Sammy
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  Speaker 2: and the Wabertas, the Circle or hsas, it's all in
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  Speaker 2: this book. Tim also gives you insight into songs that
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  Speaker 2: Sammy has covered, as well as Sammy's songs that other
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  Speaker 2: artists have recorded. Find a playlist in this episode show
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  Speaker 2: notes and play along as Tim and I take you
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  Speaker 2: on a ride through the discography of Sammy Higar. Tim,
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  Speaker 2: good to see again.
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  Speaker 1: Man, It is great to be be on here again. Eric.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, and thanks for all the you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the great things you've said about the book, like
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  Speaker 1: it's been you know, we've been talking about doing this
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  Speaker 1: for a long time and I'm glad we're actually getting
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the book itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. And you were on the Bogus Otis podcast,
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  Speaker 2: the Sammy Haigar podcast, so it was great to hear
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  Speaker 2: you on there. And also Ultimate Classic Rock, as you
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  Speaker 2: listed as a must purchase book. How about that, man?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Yeah, the focus Otis guys are fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're just it's just like talking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sitting around with a couple of your buds. I mean
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we can riff back and forth with
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  Speaker 1: lyrics to obscure Hagar songs. You know that that did
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  Speaker 1: a lot for me. But yeah, having having Ultimate Classic
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  Speaker 1: Rock Matt Wordlock, I've been chatting back and forth with him,
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  Speaker 1: and he emailed me. He said, hey, man, you just
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  Speaker 1: want to let you know you made this list. And
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  Speaker 1: it was just such an honor because you know, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was chatting with my wife about it, and she,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just she said, just so I understand, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is a you know, this is a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. I said, well, yeah, I said, Oltimate Classic Rock.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that they're syndicated radio. You know, the rock
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  Speaker 1: station in our area. The closest rock station is a
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  Speaker 1: UCR station. And I said, most of the time with
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  Speaker 1: me and the boys on our chats are sending musical
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  Speaker 1: information back and forth. It's an Ultimate Classic Rock article.
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  Speaker 1: So to to you know, I was in uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was in one once before. Nick Terriso was kind
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  Speaker 1: enough to epost an excerpt from my Kansas book. But
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  Speaker 1: to have my book recommended among some fantastic rock reads
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  Speaker 1: and just one of them is just such an honor.
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  Speaker 1: And I look at it, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: every so publisher goes through this. You look at it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just me. I'm not like the rest of them.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, hey, it's out of my hands, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to remember that. You're right though the other books
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  Speaker 2: on that list. It's like, boy, you're in good company.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It's pretty MC.
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  Speaker 2: Five book was Brad Telenski and janieu Helski who were
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast to promote the MC five book. You're
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  Speaker 2: on the list with that book, which is very impressive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're on a Yeah, you're on a website that is
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  Speaker 2: a go to website. And like me, you became a
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  Speaker 2: fan of Sammy through Van Halen, same exact album that
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  Speaker 2: I became a fan through fifty fifty. So talk about
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  Speaker 2: that spring of eighty six, the moment you became a
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  Speaker 2: fan of Sammy Hagar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I was born in seventy four and I've
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  Speaker 1: always love music, but it was you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: probably around it was sometime in eighty four when I
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  Speaker 1: really started paying attention to the top forty radio stations.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you listen to your music, music you
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  Speaker 1: want to listen to, not necessarily music. Your parents listen
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  Speaker 1: to her music. That's just on in the kitchen when
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  Speaker 1: you're getting ready for school, you know. And music videos
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  Speaker 1: were becoming a thing at this point. I mean, music
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  Speaker 1: videos have been around, but in my area we were
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  Speaker 1: starting to see a little bit more of them. And
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  Speaker 1: just you know, eighty four and eighty five, in eighty six,
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  Speaker 1: it was just I didn't realize it at the time, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: but I was learning. I didn't look at it as learning,
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  Speaker 1: but I was taking in all this information. Who sang
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  Speaker 1: what songs, what are the names, you know, where are
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  Speaker 1: they from? Things like that, and so I just I
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  Speaker 1: was glued to the radio. You know, when i'd get
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  Speaker 1: home from school, i'd have the radio on. It was
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'd sleep with it on. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: sleeping with the radio on because I need I need
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  Speaker 1: white noise, I need a fan I'm going you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. I can't imagine because because subconsciously you're
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  Speaker 1: waiting for the song to finish and then another song starts.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, a good van Halen song, which is
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  Speaker 2: pretty much every van Halen song, will keep you awake,
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  Speaker 2: he will not fall asleep.
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  Speaker 1: To say, it's a long winded answer, but I definitely
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  Speaker 1: remember the day that I heard why can't This be Loved?
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  Speaker 1: For the first time, So I knew who van Halen
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  Speaker 1: was because of the nineteen eighty four videos, right, I'd
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  Speaker 1: seen those videos. I'd seen you know, California Girls just
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  Speaker 1: a Jiggloso, and I knew David left van Halen and
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  Speaker 1: they had this new singer coming in whatever, just hearing
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces on case case him and Rick D's.
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  Speaker 1: But I heard why can't This be Love? Come on?
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't know what it was or who it was.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was a new song, old song.
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  Speaker 1: I just knew I liked it, and I just knew
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  Speaker 1: that who's the singer this? This guy can sing anything
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  Speaker 1: and make it sound cool. This is excellent, And I
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  Speaker 1: was hooked, Like by the time the second chorus was
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  Speaker 1: rolling around, I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: there right. So DJ back sold the song, effort got done.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't this be Levet? Brand new song from van Halen,
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  Speaker 1: And at that moment something crystallized. It said, oh that's
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  Speaker 1: van Halen. That that was my entry point right there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I was listening for everything new that
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  Speaker 1: came out after that. And then you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years time. Eighty eight, I started buying the albums
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  Speaker 1: in earnest and by the end of eighty eight I
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  Speaker 1: had all of them, so it was Yeah, I can
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  Speaker 1: still remember that first time hearing that song, and it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, probably one of my all time favorite songs
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  Speaker 1: by anybody still to this day. To me, it's just
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  Speaker 1: one of those bulletproof songs that it doesn't matter it
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  Speaker 1: comes on the radio, crank it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm with you on that. I know that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Van Halen fans, the Dave era fans,
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  Speaker 2: that they hate the song or they just they just
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  Speaker 2: don't get anything out of it at best. But I
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  Speaker 2: think it's it's it's really Martin pop Off a mutual
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  Speaker 2: friend he talked about it's one of those pop songs
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  Speaker 2: that's smart. It's a smartly written song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the arrangement is arrangement. It does follow really
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  Speaker 1: any formula. I mean, it's got a scatting solo in.
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  Speaker 2: It, right, Like it's not paint by numbers. No, it's
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  Speaker 2: not by design.
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  Speaker 1: It's got the sense in it. But the sense drive
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  Speaker 1: the song and the melody line is unbelievable. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I understand that the timeline is everything. When
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  Speaker 1: you get into a band, you can't help when you
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  Speaker 1: discover a band. All you can do with it is
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you go back if there's a history, and I did.
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  Speaker 1: I always go back when I get into a band,
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  Speaker 1: but that there was just something about that era of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that it was coming out when I was
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  Speaker 1: really gaining a love for music. I mean, honestly, the
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  Speaker 1: band that that is the reason I have all these
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  Speaker 1: albums behind me is bon Jovi. Eighty six was the
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  Speaker 1: same year Slipper when Wet came out, So that was
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  Speaker 1: a year for me. That was when it wasn't enough
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  Speaker 1: for me to take the songs off the radio on
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  Speaker 1: the blanket sets anymore. I needed to own the albums.
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  Speaker 1: I needed to own all the albums that I could
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  Speaker 1: get my hands on. So yeah, it was a pivotal year.
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  Speaker 1: So that that was just one of those songs that
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  Speaker 1: came out in that time period that it still takes
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  Speaker 1: me right back. And when I hear Dreams, that takes
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  Speaker 1: me back to that summer I remember hearing that.
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  Speaker 2: Song all the radia summer nights. Yeah, I mean that
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  Speaker 2: whole album is just the title track to fifty Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so by the way, New Jersey from bon Jovi to
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  Speaker 2: me is their best me too.
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  Speaker 1: I love that, that was That was. That's the first
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  Speaker 1: album I waited and waited and waited to get when
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  Speaker 1: it first came out, that anticipating, you know, when it
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  Speaker 1: come out. But I'm getting off trap topic. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: I've really tried to look at it in a philosophical way,
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  Speaker 1: because there's you know, the people that don't like Sammy.
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  Speaker 1: It's they don't just not like his music, they just
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  Speaker 1: don't like him. They mere imagine if his name sets
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  Speaker 1: people off, and it's I don't get it. But I
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  Speaker 1: understand not liking, not liking the music that they made together,
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  Speaker 1: because it took me a long long time to come
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  Speaker 1: to the conclusion that they really were two different bands,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the same name, two fantastic bands, but
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  Speaker 1: two completely different approaches to songwriting. And I love the
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  Speaker 1: early stuff. Fair Warning is one of my favorite albums
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  Speaker 1: by anybody. Love that album to death. And I tried
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  Speaker 1: to look at it, you know, in that way. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if if I was already into this band, would I
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  Speaker 1: would I like the Sammy era as much. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that they're one of very few bands
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  Speaker 1: that were able to replace their singer and keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that's usually that's usually it. You're done,
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  Speaker 1: you're playing the state fairs. I'm sorry you've lost your
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  Speaker 1: voice of the bands and.
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  Speaker 2: Come back.
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  Speaker 1: And David Lee Roth wasn't just anyone, right, he was
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  Speaker 1: such a personality. So I get it, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But what I don't get is the continued, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bad vibe. Just like Sammy's just doing his thing, man
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  Speaker 1: Like he laughing all the way to the bank. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but people just can't stand that he's out there and
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  Speaker 1: every time he says something that you can read in
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  Speaker 1: the comments. Man, just so recently him talking what wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make, you know, make peace with Alex. Yep, we
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  Speaker 1: was way back into the band. No, there is no
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  Speaker 1: band to easy your way back into. It's over. He
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  Speaker 1: wants to be friends with a guy again. He spent
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  Speaker 1: ten years working with him and it was a successful partnership.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, we're all over the place, needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, why can't this be love? And I was hooked?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when you went back to invest in
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  Speaker 2: Sammy's solo catalog, wasn't easy getting the Capital Records era
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  Speaker 2: Sammy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was a struggle. Yeah, it was a real struggle.
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  Speaker 2: See pre internet, pre yeah streaming services, pre being able
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  Speaker 2: to exchange records online with somebody through emails or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I never had any pen pals or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. I was on the East coast of Canada,
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  Speaker 1: which was never you know, never a stronghold for Sammy.
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  Speaker 1: He uh, you know, you just I didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: pre internet, pre license, you know what I mean. I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid just trying to, you know, basically rely
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  Speaker 1: on local stores and local stores that carried new albums.
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  Speaker 1: Were you just weren't going to see those those original
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  Speaker 1: Capitol albums. What you did see and what I did
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  Speaker 1: end up getting it first, and I talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in the books or what I call truck stop tapes.
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  Speaker 1: The record company issued comps that they would put out
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  Speaker 1: that were just thrown together with really cheap looking cover.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, famously there's one that doesn't even spell
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  Speaker 1: his name right, spells it with two g's.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Kruis nabuzin cassette, it's I got a picture
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  Speaker 1: of it in here, but I don't have I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have that version to Yeah. Right here this lovely uh
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  Speaker 1: you know high you know song titles down the side. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there is a version of this where higar is spelled
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  Speaker 1: with two g's. You'll find it like that.
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  Speaker 2: One on the left is one my older brother had.
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  Speaker 1: This one here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best of Yeah, isn't that the best of?
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  Speaker 2: Or is that the act?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called turn up the music. All it is
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  Speaker 1: is the picture from danger Zone, right and then and
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  Speaker 1: then there's this one red Hot, which is the very
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  Speaker 1: first thing I found from Sammy that's live. That's like
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  Speaker 1: half of that is like all my long and half
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  Speaker 1: is live nineteen eighty. But I gotta say it did
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  Speaker 1: the trick at the time, Otherwise it would have been
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  Speaker 1: a long long time before I heard any of those
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  Speaker 1: early songs.
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  Speaker 2: And that's some songs are the good stuff from because
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  Speaker 2: it's tot and cold, which we'll get into, but the
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  Speaker 2: good stuff is really sticking with me now, like Urban
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  Speaker 2: Guerrilla I listened to.
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  Speaker 1: That's an awesome song.
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  Speaker 2: You like Montrose, then you like that song? Yeah, Book
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  Speaker 2: on rock Podcasts. We'll be back after this.
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  Speaker 1: When when patients absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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  Speaker 2: Before Montros This is the this is the craziest thing.
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  Speaker 2: He was in as like a Simon and Garfunkl type
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  Speaker 2: of thing, a duo Samson and Hagar. Yeah, and this
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  Speaker 2: isn't noted in the book before you get to Montrose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember. I wish I could, but my
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  Speaker 1: early days of being on the internet, there was a
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  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar fan site. I cannot remember what it was called.
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  Speaker 1: It may have been the GeoCities. It was very well
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  Speaker 1: done and it was very informative. There was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things they didn't know, including the fact that Sammy
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  Speaker 1: cut this single in nineteen sixty eight with this guy
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  Speaker 1: name's last name was Samson. So yeah, they were like,
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  Speaker 1: yeahte they were like an acoustic duo. It sounds nothing
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  Speaker 1: like Sammy Hagar that we all know. So he would
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  Speaker 1: have been twenty twenty one years old at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, that was his first ording. It was to
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  Speaker 1: tell you it was on rand Wood Records with came
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  Speaker 1: and went, you know, never heard of it, never will,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's pretty wild that, you know, he ended
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  Speaker 1: up some uh, you know, way different than I'm just
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: looking it up now. Randwood Records was founded by Lawrence welk.
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  Speaker 1: So that should tell you, that should tell you what
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  Speaker 1: sort of you know, what sort of music you've got,
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  Speaker 1: like the Age uh, Laurence Exotic Guitars, uh, the Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: Ernie Ford Uh. Yeah, so easy, easy listening stuff, right.
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  Speaker 1: And somewhere in the middle of all this is this
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  Speaker 1: this Samson, this one single for Samson and Hagar I
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  Speaker 1: thinks will come or try to find me, reach out
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  Speaker 1: to out to find find a clip of it on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: One single and yeah, it's even it's credited if you
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  Speaker 1: find this. There's no singles on sale B sides called
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  Speaker 1: read My Thoughts, but the A side, reach out to
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  Speaker 1: Find Me, it's credited to Pete Samson and Sam Hagar.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Hagar, Yeah, which I believe that's what he was
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  Speaker 1: named on the first Montrose album too, which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to that. Yeah, it's interesting because Sammy's
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  Speaker 2: Sammy and Van Halen. Their worlds are actually colliding from
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  Speaker 2: from a very early time, as far back as seventy three,
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  Speaker 2: because Ted Templeman and Don Landy are the engineers on
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  Speaker 2: the debut Montrose album, and of course they did the
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  Speaker 2: first six Van Halen albums with Dave. But then there's
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  Speaker 2: also that story that maybe possibly Warner Brothers was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's get that guy from because Ted Templeman was
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  Speaker 2: already he had already worked with Sammy, so that they're thinking,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll get Sammy and to replaced Dave because things
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  Speaker 2: aren't really working out with Dave in the studio with vocals,
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  Speaker 2: And it was all of that, you know then, But
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  Speaker 2: then there's some of the obscure stuff like Van Helen
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  Speaker 2: playing make It Last from that album during the club days.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I love the fact that you can
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  Speaker 1: find that. It's it's not a great recording, but you know, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: I love Dave. Dave's Dave. But Dave famously said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: every night Sammy Hagar is gonna go out there and
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  Speaker 1: sing my songs, and I'll have never sing a Sammy
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  Speaker 1: Hagar song. Well you did, you did?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: He was obviously a fan of that first of that
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  Speaker 1: first Montro set. Yeah, it's so weird how they were.
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  Speaker 1: You know, those two entities were like, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: each other's in and around each other's orbit. It was
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: almost inevitable that, you know, I got to say that
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the course of history turned out the way it did.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that they stuck with Dave, you know, obviously,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: because you wouldn't have had those classic classic Man albums, right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's an interesting side note. And that
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Mantros album. I got to say that what put me
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: onto that that Red Hot Guess that I was telling
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you about. I didn't know. It just had a bunch
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: of songs on it that I'd never heard of before
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: except for I've Done Everything for You, which I was
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: so confused by that. So I'm like, yeah, Rick Springfield,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I knew that much. So I'm like, what is what's
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: going on? And there's no information. There was no I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: had no way of finding these things out. It was
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: just just the song titles. There they are. It's like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you know, tough. But on that album there was space
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Station number five and Bad Motor Scooter, and I found
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: out those were Montrose songs because I got this hit
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Parader magazine that came out in nineteen eighty nine. I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: can picture it. It's got a blue cover. It was
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the top one hundred metal albums of all time. You
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: can find it on eBay. I thought about getting it,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: but I know it inside out. But it's got Robert
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Plan on the cover, in James Hatfield and a bunch
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of people. And somewhere in that top one hundred there
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was this album called Montrose, which the first few times
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I read the magazine, I just skimmed over it. It was
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: just like a half page article. It was somewhere in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the sixties. I think. There was a picture of Ronnie
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Montrose with a weird looking guitar and he had like
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a like a headset on. So I didn't really think
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: anything of it. And then I was flipping the pages
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: one day and I thought, I said, I saw the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: word Hagar, and so I read the little blurb on it,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and it said something about the first recordings of a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: young Sammy Hagar and songs like space Station Number five
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and Bad Motor Scooter. So I'm like, okay, well, there's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: something else I got to look for now, since that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was on Mourner and was a fairly successful album. Over time,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I managed to find that cassette in summer eighty nine,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and I mean, before I knew how critically acclaimed that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: album was, I loved it. I was like, this is great,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: like this is this is fantastic, this is nineteen seventy three.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It sounds so ahead of its time. It's so well produced,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and because cassettes were the way they were, it didn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: even I didn't even know Ted Templeman produced it for
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a long time, but it made sense. But it's so
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: full and high fidelity, like for a seventy three album,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I sat up against anybody's album. I mean, it sounds
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: better than I mean, everybody talks about how great the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: early Queen album sound, and they do. I think that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Mantros album sounds better. It's it's crystal clear.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, The question is why didn't it do more than
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it did? Because it was it was a flop, let's
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: face it, but over time.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And that's why, and that's why there was a panic,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and that's why Paper Money is much lighter and it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: nowhere near is focused and hard rocking as that debut.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a theory on the Montrose album
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and I've shared this with people, and it's no fault
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to the guys. I'm sure it was a record company decision.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: But I will say to people, look, don't let that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: album cover throw you off, because it's not a particularly
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: hard rock looking album cover.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Right. No, and Sammy he's looking down.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: He barely tell it's him even if you know that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he's in the band.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Half his face, it's Ronnie Montrose front and center, it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: his band.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But they could have just you know, what they
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: should have done is they could have just gone with
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a logo, because they kind of had a cool logo,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know, they could have just had that on, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just a stark background. But no, instead you get this.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, what do we make of this? Yeah?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Is this rock? Is this?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And Ted Templeman said this, and you know in in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: his autobiography that Greg runof did I talked to Greg too.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Greg was kind of up to the board for this book,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: which was an honor. But Ted even said there was
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: no you know, I should have pushed harder for a single.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: There's not really any one song on Montrose that I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: could picture hearing on the radio on seventy three. It
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: was really heavy for seventy three. It's really good, but
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you needed a hit single. You needed a smoke on
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the water, needed schools out, you needed something to latch onto.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And if you want to know why they released you
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: really got me as their first single. The answer is
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the Montrose debut album, because said Templeaman said, if we
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: only had a single, so he knew he wanted to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: lead with something that people were were going to already recognize,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: already established as a hit. So there's a better chance
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of this being a hit. I know what Edward, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what about the rest of the band.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: But Edward wasn't happy that that was going to be
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the debut single. But it worked.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: It worked, And let's fast forward ahead a few years.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, okay, You Really Got Me only
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: peaked at number thirty six, but that's a heavy song
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: for nineteen seventy eight. You look at any Billboard chart. Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: there were rock songs on there. There was Foreigner and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, there were Boston and bands like that. But
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: You Really Got Me jagged, you know, loud guitar, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: they supercharged that. I mean, they made that song their own.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, I don't think that's one
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of the handful of early early Van Halen songs I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: remember hearing on the radio. But when I before I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: really got into the band, I don't think I knew
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: it was a cover.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The younger audience did, Yeah, the ones who were just
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: maybe in their teens in the late seventies. That was
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the funny. That was the joke Dave Davies talked about
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: after a show, somebody came up to him and said,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: but you guys did a great cover of Van Halen's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you really got Me. You know, this was like in
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, you know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the music businesses like that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I have always wondered too. I mean, I like it
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on the album, on the mantros out, but I wonder
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: if that's why the cover of Good Rocking Tonight.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Is on Yeah, that's on there, but yeah that kicks
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: off side too. Yeah, and it's a good version of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the song, I mean, excellent version.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Great solo from Ronnie.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The songs every song I love on this The
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: ones that get the most notoriety are Rock the Nation,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Bad Motor Scooter, Space Station number five, and of course
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Rock Candy, Make It Last. But the other ones like
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I Don't Want It one thing on my mind, Yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: those are those are great songs too.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: To finish and if you think about it, yeah, You've
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: got You've got Ted Templeman and Don Landy. It's on
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers bands named after the guitar player, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and it's it's a very American style of what would
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: have been called heavy metal then, but really hard rock.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It had none of the European It didn't have any
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of the Sabbath or the purple you riah heap, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: didn't have any of the sort of the gothic overtones,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like the minor key stuff. Van Hamlen's first album was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: very much like that. It was. It was loud and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: aggressive and powerful, but yet it was positive, you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like they were happy to be there, you know, like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: d Snyder called it happy metal, you know, when he
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: talked to both the hair metal bands in the eighties,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like these these are bands that smiled in pictures. So yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that first Mantros album, I mean tons of people have
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: covered songs from it. It was a real sleeper hit.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I think it took four years to certify gold. Eventually
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it went platinum. And thankfully it's it's an album that's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know, continually been made available in stores so that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you know, hopefully younger generations can can discover it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Right booked on rock Podcasts. We'll be back after this.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: The Future.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Hagar is the sole songwriter on Bad Motor Scooter Make
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: It Last. I don't know, we can check on that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: second album. It's actually right in front of me here.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have any soul songwriting credits. But there's a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: point to this that I'm gonna I'm leading into a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: question for you. But so he's a sole writer on
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: those songs, and then he's a co writer and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: don't want it space Station number five. So yeah, he
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: can write songs, yet he goes solo and it's like
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: almost half the songs on those first few albums covers.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Just Capitol was just shovel and covers at him. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: mean they were almost marketing him as like a singer songwriter,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you know, middle of the road entertainer type of guy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But he came from mantros, like the guy clearly wanted
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to rock out, and Capitol I don't know if it's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't a band like you know, four or
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: five guys with one name, but they just it's weird.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: They started throwing all these songs at him, like, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: he's covering Van Morrison.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And Fly.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's doing yacht rock, he's doing flamingos
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: fly as yacht rock? So is you make Me Crazy?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: From musical Chairs? And his cover of sitting on the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: dock of the bay. Those are any of those yacht
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: rock stations now that have that as format? You could
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: throw those Sammy songs in there. Nobody wou bat nye.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: They might not even know who it is without looking.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But but the point is, yeah, he's perfectly capable of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: writing his songs, and those songs that he writes are
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: far and away the best songs on those early albums.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't understand why, you know, Capital certainly,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's not like they didn't have any rock bands. You know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there's certain labels that you hear about not being the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: greatest of promoting rock bands RCA and A and M
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: probably being the biggest culprits. But the Capitol was the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Beatles label for Crying out Loud. They should know how
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to market a rock band. But yeah, the the early
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar albums, once I was able to find them
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and hear them in their entirety, boy are they a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: mixed bag of everything styles, quality, quality of songs that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: they're all over the place.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's not a record you'd put on and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: when you're throwing a party and you just put on
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and leave it on because it's it's going to be
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: so uneven that people are gonna be wondering, like what
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is this? Like We're keep on Rockin is the lead
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: track Urban Gorilla Kicks Ass, But then you follow with
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Domingos Fly.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Your best bet, your best bet if you're going
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to do that is put on one of his live
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: albums from the.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, because he checked this out. Nine tracks on
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the first album is nine on a ten scale, released
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: in seventy six. Nine tracks. Covers would be You Got
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Flamingos f Live and Morrison China, Bob Welch song You
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Got Confession Session Please Come Back written by Ron Nagel,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a Young Girl Blues Younger Blues Donovan. So that's one, two,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: three four, So that is literally almost half that album.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's you really don't get a picture of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: what Sammy can do completely. You can get his picture
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of how he can interpret songs.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Another weird, uh weird fact about Sammy's career is that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: somebody he was on Capitol Records, so it makes sense,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: but somebody wanted him to do Night Moves.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's he mentions that in the book.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Read that is so strange, Like can you imagine like that,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that's a that's like back to the future, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: like the timeline gets all thrown off, right.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then years later when he does things have changed,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the breakdown sounds a little bit like night Moves. Have
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you ever noticed that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to it, but that's we'll get it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: That's not an album that sticks with me.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But imagine him singing Night Moves. Yeah, he thought it
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: was too soft for.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, he did a great version of Ramble and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Gambling Man, but that's a rocker to begin with. Ye,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's just so strange, just like
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: what you know, the fact of the matter is is that, yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he wrote a lot of those songs on that Mantros
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: album or co wrote them. Let let the man write,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, let the man you know, pen to paper.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like I said, mixed bag and you can
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: see the results of it. And you can see that
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: as he got a little bit more successful in these
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking small increments because none of those Capitol
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: albums have certified. But you notice once he gets a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: little bit more control, the albums get harder overall.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You're right. Second album, the Red Album, is that features
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Red that's one of his best songs, and that's early
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: on in the game. Ten tracks on the Red album
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and here we go again, there's four of them. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: think that are covers. You got Catch the Wind is
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: a cover, Free Money is a cover. I believe, fill
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Moore Shuffle, Hungry Yeah, and those are the covers there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But he's got soul writing credit. Interesting you see them.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: As the albums go go on, he's got soul writing
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: credit on more tracks like this one. He wrote Cruising
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and Boozing rock and Roll Weekend, which is another solid song.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Love has Found Me, Little Sorry e clips which I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: do like. That's the last. He's starting to take over
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: as the sole songwriter on that second album, and and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: then we have Yeah. The third album is Musical Chairs,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: which has one of my favorite Sammy songs, reckless soul
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: song writing credit on that. By the way, right, all
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the best songs are the ones he writes, Yeah, you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: make Me crazy. He gets sol writing credit on I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Don't Think We're a fan of You. That's the one
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that's the yacht rocker isn't it. You make me crazy.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You Make Me Crazy is totally yacht right. Actually, the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: weird thing about is that one actually charted. I think
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it got to like seventy seven on Board or something
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like that. But there's a there's a clip from him
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: doing it, I think on it's either on the Midnight
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Special or the old Gray Whistle Test I've seen. Cracks
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: me up.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: He's got this.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: He's got this white this outfit on. It's got like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's got like a you know, uh, tassels on it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Not tassels, but like like a you know, draw string
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: or something. His hair is really really short like and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it just barely looks like him, And it cracks me
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: up as something if I'm having a bad day at
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: work or something like that, I look that up because
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I will never not put a smile on my face. Yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't even have a guitar in the clip.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It's just so strange.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's that voice, man, It's that kick ass voice.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. And you just listen. Just loved listening
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to him sing. He can sing anything pretty much. Musical
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Chair seventy seven, Street Machine seventy nine, Danger Zone nineteen
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: eighty so those are the last of the Capitol record years. Yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: he's towered as a triple threat. He can sing, play guitar,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and write songs. Yet Capitol didn't seem to know what
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to do with him. But yet then he moves to Geffen. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: this is where we start to see things start to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: change for him. Oh you know, we forgot to mention
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that what was funny about the UK? This was a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: strange statistic danger Zone nineteen eighty number twelve in the UK,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: yeah five in the US. So what was going on there?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Emi was promoting I guess more than Capital in the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: in the States.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So the best thing I can fire is that Sammy
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Sammy is one of those American acts. And and like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you said, we've you know, we've had Martin pop Off
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: on both of our shows. Martin has been a great
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: help to me as a writer of lots of advice
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and he wrote the forward to my first book. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Martin has said that, you know, Sammy, hagar Yan, t Riot,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they were all American acts that were sort of adopted
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: as honorary new way of British heavy metal artists over
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: in the UK when that scene was getting underway in
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: seventy nine eighty. You can see footage of why is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the name Escaping Me? Now there's a club where Neil
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Kaye DJ would play, you know, iron Maid and Judas Priest,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: whatever was popular, and there'd be you know, the a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys there and their Jeane jackets and the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Jean jackets are all covered with patches. You know, they
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: got motorhead patches and they got Priest packet talking in
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the UK, yeah, and every once in a while you'll
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: see somebody with the Sammy Hagar patch. So I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that when Sammy would do heavy songs, like by the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: time you get to Street Machine, you know, he's got
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: songs like trans Am which is a great rocker, this
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Planet's on Fire, which is an early speed rocker really,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and then on Danger Zone He's got lover Money, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: he was he was. He would do some heavier songs
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and I think that they really embraced that over there,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and I think that there was a lot of love
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: for that Montrose album too, and so yeah, he would
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: he could go over there and like that live nineteen
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: eighty album was recorded the hammer Smith odeon, Like he
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: could go over there and you know, do quite well,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: like do two three thousand seeds as a headliner. I mean,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that in one of the earliest gigs
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Steph Leopard ever played outside of Sheffield was opening for
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So wow, yeah, I didn't know that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like seventeen, like I think even before their first
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: album came out, they opened for a CDC and they
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: opened some shows for Sammy Hagar and so that shows
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you how like he was well well known, well respected
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in the UK and did a lot better over there
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: than he did in his home country because I think
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the label was was was pushing, you know, was promoting you.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: You can't get to number twelve on the album charts
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: without some push from your label. So there's a real
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: divide there. You know, eighty five on Billboard, you know why,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you know, So they just weren't It's something wasn't clicking.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sammy was doing good in pockets, like you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Know Saint Louis.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis, he was really well.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That's where he got the nickname Red Rocker. I think,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: didn't somebody Yeah, I think the kid yeah, because somebody
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was in a headline, I think yeah, And then.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Somebody became his forever nickname, right, you know, and he
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: would do well in like san Antone and you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and but Pockets not not. He couldn't do a full
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: scale headline tour right in his own country. So yeah, really,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I would think it would not surprise me if back
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: in the day, especially before we had the Internet, if
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: people thought Standing Hampton was his first album, because those
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Capitol albums were just so under the radar, booked.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: On rock podcasts, we'll be back after this, be right
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: back with a snack check, go go away. Standing Hampton
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: would be the first under Geffen Records nineteen eighty two,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: first to go platinum. Yeah. I have singles on there.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: They charted in either the Mainstream Rock chart or Pop
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Singles chart, and that's Babies on Fire, Can't Get Loose,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'll Fall in Love Again, the cover of Janis Joplin's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Piece of My Heart, and then of course the classic
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: There's only one way to rock. What's the difference maker
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: with Geffen? What did they do the Capitol didn't do well?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's not as if his music changed wholesale,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, making that switch, Because I mean he may
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: have delivered an album like Standing Hampton or some of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: those songs for whatever his next Capitol album might have been.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: We're only talking a year's difference, right Andrew Zone came
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: out nineteen eighty Standinghampton, it's dated nineteen eighty one was
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: released in early eighty two, which is a huge beet
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: peeve of mine.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: When in the.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Year when the date I have to talk about that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: My OCD is like nineteen eighty four is like that too,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: if you look at it and it says nineteen eighty three,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: but it's not. My opinion is you should always air
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: on the side of caution and then give it the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: next year. But it wasn't that long, you know, it
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: wasn't that a big amount of time. I think what
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Geffen did was maybe there may have been a directive.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Like John David Kladner is the well known anur GUYT
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Geff and I mean he resurrected Ero Smith and White Snake.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I mean you've seen him in the Aerosmith videos. He's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a big, big guy with the big beard, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and he always cameos. He's in he's the judge in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the Can't Drive fifty five video. That's his that's his
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: appearance in the Sammy video. There may be more, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think the directive might have been, don't you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: no more Flamingos fly you know what I mean? No
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: more chase, no more catch the win. We need you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to write rock songs, radio friendly rock songs, and that's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: what he ended up doing. But it's not like he
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't delivering songs like that to Capitol. Case in point
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is I've Done Everything for You that came out in
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. It's on his first live album, but
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it was also released as a standalone single, a studio version,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: which makes no sense. And this is again bad decision
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: making on Capitol's part. They really should have waited till
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there was an album to attach it to. The Fact
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that Rick Springfield three years later had a top ten
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: single with it shows that he was capable of writing
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: these types of songs. He had songs they played Jane
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: which got a little bit of airplay, but they weren't hits,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: so he could he was commercially minded like that. He didn't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like he wanted to make heavy rock, but
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: they told him to wimp out to get on the radio.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: He's just an upbeat guy. Those are the kinds of
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: songs that he writes, and I think Geffen just let
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: him do what he did best, and that's how you
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: get I'll Fall in Love Again and Can't Get Loose
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and all these cool songs. And of course there was
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a bigger budget involved. There had to have been a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: bigger budget involved, because sonically the Geffen albums just sound better.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: They got the late Keith Olsen to produce Stanninghampton in
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: three lock Box, and that's another thing that may have
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: made a difference with those Capitol albums. I mean a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Ted Templeman had still been working with them, or if
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they've gotten somebody like I don't know, Jack Douglas or
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Mike Stone or you know, a producer's producer. He had
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: John Carter working with him in the beginning, and then
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he produced himself. But he needed somebody to say, yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good, but that bridge needs a little work,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you know, just to fine tune those songs. His songwriting
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: acumen was there. He was capable of writing hit singles,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: but he just wasn't on a label that knew what
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to do with him. So they were you know, they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: kind of go to wait, they're there to enjoy, but
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they didn't do what they were, you know, songs like
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: those should have done. Whereas almost immediately he signs to Geffen,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the album goes gold. Within this initial you know life
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: eventually goes platinum. All fall in Love Again goes all
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the way to forty three, which is the by far,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the most successful single he'd ever had at that point,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and There's Only One Way to Rock became a concert staple.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: He brought that with him into van Halen. I mean,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard There's only way, There's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: only One Way to Rock was when I saw Live
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Without a Net, and I didn't realize at that time
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that that wasn't a van Halen song, so it kind
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of became an honorary van Halen song. So I think
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: with Geffen, there was a bigger budget, and there was
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: more attention paid to, you know, what's going to sound
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: good on FM radio, what's gonna you know, what's going
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to have that possible crossover appeal, And they had a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: guy that was more than willing to not play the game,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: but he just naturally wrote in that that commercial rock vein,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: which I love. So yeah, there's a there's a reason
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: those Geffen albums and and plus the just distribution they
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: got them in the store shelves. They were They were
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: by far the easiest ones for me to get when
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I first started to get into Sammy sol Well, you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: found those four Geffen albums, no problem. It was everything
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: else that was hard to find.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Pretty cool album cover two for Standing Hinton.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It's like very clever and very pink Floyd like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's not a hypnosis cover, but it looks like
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: it might have been if you want to see. You know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Sammy did work with hypnosis. The Red Album and Musical
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Chairs are both hypnosis covers. Yeah, Musical Chairs is a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: very strange album cover, and I've often wondered if that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was initially meant for somebody else. But you know, the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Red album is it's just the funny ideas well, let's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: just have everything on it red. But yes, his album
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: covers did improve once he got on Geff and too.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You could tell a little bit more money to spend.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a difference it makes though with the producer
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Keith Olsen, because Sammy talked about how Keith really pushed
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: him to to really make sure that every track is solid,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: whereas before he might have rushed through albums if he
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: felt he had enough good songs. It was just like,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: we got enough, let's get on the road. We run
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: out right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And be like, look, I think six of these songs
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: are good. I'll just throw four more on here, maybe
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: do a couple of covers and send it to the factory,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and let's hit the road.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: So and as we keep score of the soul Hagar
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: songwriting credit songs here right, I'll fall in love again,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: There's only one way to rock, Baby's on Fire, can't
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: get loose. All his songs soul songwriting credit. Onside to Baby,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: It's you inside looking in sole songwriting credit. Tell me
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: about heavy Metal, Jim, that's the guy from Survivor.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's an interesting Yeah, that's an interesting song
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: because there's two versions of it. I think I think
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of like diehard fans know that. You get
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the heavy metal soundtrack, it's on It's I think it's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the first song on the album. But immediately you can
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: tell it's a different recording than the standing Hampton version.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It's not just a different mix, it's a whole different recording.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: It's the same song, but it's a different take. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: think Roy Thomas Baker produced the album of the soundtrack version.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That's one thing that I love when univers will put
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: that Essential Red Collection out of two thousand and four
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and we'll get to it. But because they collected those
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: soundtrack songs up. But I really wish they'd put that
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: version of heavy Metal on there so it was all
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: in one place.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had some great soundtrack songs, Fast on the Ridgemont.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: High, Winner Takes It All.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Girl Gets Around from foot Loose.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he seemed.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: To know how to write a good song for a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: movie soundtrack, seem to he seemed to know how that worked.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Like when it Takes It All is like it's it is,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: It's like that. That could have been a Rocky four song.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm such a sucker for those types of songs.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Winner Takes It a Survivor, burning Heart,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I love that stuff. It just almost makes
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: me want to exercise, you know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Right that you could see the montage of Rocky in
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the snow. You know, I remember.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Hearing Winter Takes It All on the radio. It only
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: peaked at fifty two, but it was probably not promoted
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that heavily because it was on a Columbia soundtrack, but.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We knew Sammy could beat Sylvester Sallona in their arm wrestling.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Of the video fades out. You know, really it's a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty cool though. I mean he you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he was I think at one point he was thinking
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: about being a boxer and his dad was a boxer.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I forgot. I thought
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I thought he wins in the video, but they they
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: fade out.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Out, you can't. Really.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I think we can assume. I think we can assume
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Sly had the love of.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: The fact that that there's one point where like he's
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: got like, well he's got like a tank top and
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: like gray sweat pants on or something and airs everywhere,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and he's like jumping up and down and punting on
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: the table.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was almost like, you know, Junior Kenny
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Loggins when it came to being on soundtracks, because he's
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: also on the song bad Reputation, which is from Danger
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Zone that's on the soundtrack of a movie called Up
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the Academy, which is affiliated with Mad Magazine. I don't
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: really the only my only knowledge of that is because
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that song's on the soundtrack, and also I'll Fall in
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Love Again four years later ended up on Vision Quest,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: which was a Geffen soundtrack. So, and it's the B
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: side of Journeys only the Young.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and didn't did you have in the book songs
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: that Sammy songs that others recorded, like Mad was recorded
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: by Bett Midler.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: That was That was one of my favorite parts of
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: doing the book because each chapter, each solo album gets chapter,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and at the end of the chapter, I put you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: covers and other recordings that are associated that from that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: period that aren't linked to anything else, like for example,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: when I talk about Voa Nice before, at the end
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of that chapter, I talk about the Girl gets around
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: for the Footloose because it's the same year. So one
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: of my favorite things was looking at the songs that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: either Sammy wrote and other artists ended up recording, or
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: where the original versions of some of the songs that
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Sammy covered on his albums came from, just so people
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: give people something else to look for and go, well,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I wonder what this version sounds like. So, yeah, you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: mentioned Bette Midler. How that happened, I don't know, because
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: she covered two of his songs. She covered Red and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: she keep on Rockin', which keep On rockin is on
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: her soundtrack to The Rose, which I think that was
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a pretty big movie, so he probably made some money
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: off of that soundtrack by her covering his song. And
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the wild Thing. There's another version of Red by a
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: guy named Johnny Halliday who was a French rock and roller.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: He's passed away now, but he had somebody rewrite the lyrics.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So it's called Gehre, which means war, and it's heavy,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: but he's singing in French. It's it's this, it's the
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: music to Red. I'm on YouTube looking at that. I'm like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this is pretty good.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be the funnest part of each chapter.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really. There's a Dutch band that recorded a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: version of Red, and and then you know, Van Morrison
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: did end up. The funny thing is Van Morrison wrote
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Flamingo's Fly for Sammy is my understanding, but then he
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: eventually recorded a version of it himself on one of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: his own albums. So yeah, stuff people would never like.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Names you would not associate with anything to do with
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar. These are people that ended up recording these songs.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously in more recent years, Megadeth did a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: version of This Planet's On Fire, and I think Sammy's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: on that version, so yeah, I mean, you know, Iron
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Maiden did Iron Maiden covered I Got the Fire or twice,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: once with Paul Deano and once with Bruce Dikets, and
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: then they also covered space Station Number five. I think
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: those are B sides, so yeah, yeah, people have done
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: his songs like he is a proven songwriter. But I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: did want to put those extra things on there just
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: in case people were interested in and if there were
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: B sides that didn't appear on an album, I mentioned
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: those two.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: You know all this inside of the book Read on Black,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a Listener's Guide to Sammy Hagar out Now. Author Tim
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Dirling is on the podcast to talk about the amazing
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: career of the Red Rock or Sammy Hagar. Let's get
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the three lock Box Now, three lock Box. You say
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: this is your personal favorite, Well, it's my favorite.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always been from the first time I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: heard it. I just there's something about to me that's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: just a perfect ten song collection of songs. I've just
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: always really really enjoyed that album, and I think it
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: still holds up really well, and it's one of those
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: cases where I'm really surprising that album went platinum because
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it had a successful, like a pretty big hit off
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It was on a huge sing your Love is Driving
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Me Crazy.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: But it's never been certified past gold. I think if
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it was recertified, it would have to have sold over
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a million by now.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how great Your Love is Driving Me Crazy? Just
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that yp rock sensibility there, He's in.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The type of song that he You know, if Capitol
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: had been patient, he'd have given that to them, right,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: he'd come up with it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Soul songwriting credit by the way.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, number thirteen, number thirteen pop hit. I think it
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: hit number nineteen in Canada. Curiously, not really a video
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: for it, just a live video, but but yeah, just
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: just ear candy Man.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I Don't Need Love. One of his most underrated tracks. Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Never give Up is always a great one. That's very
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Samuli like the positive attitude. Yeah, and then you have
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: remember the Hero. Jonathan Kine of Journey co.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Wrote Mike Reno of lover Boy. It's a duet, which yep,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I mean like you know you saw the last tour, right,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the Best of All.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Worlds tour, and I know where you're going with this.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Lover Boy we're opening Yep, how cool would that have
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: been if he'd have done that song in Reno'd come out.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Saying it wouldn't been great? Would have been great?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound really good singing together because I remember
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: listening to that, of course, I mean, you know, we
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: grew up in Canada. Was yes, it was a lover
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Boy fan and I put free lock Box on and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm doing something else, and you know, Sammy sings the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: first of it and comes back on all of a sudden,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I go, that's Mike Reno.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, unmistakably.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Like I go, look at the cassette, the little bull
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Blurby credits. I'm like, it is Mike Reno.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Booked on rock Podcast. We'll be back after this.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Come out, Come out, wherever you are.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: He covered Live nineteen eighty. Then we get to VOA
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: because I think hsas No that came before vo Yeah,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: let's talk about that because that's that. How did that
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: all come together? That? That's an interesting it's interesting.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: That's a funny one. That through the Fire album, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that's the one Geffen album that I had a hard
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: time finding because it was out of print. I didn't
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: find that until the early nineties till I tracked down
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and used cassette of it. I knew of it, and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I knew Sammy had something to do with it, so
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it was on my radar, but you know, it was
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: a hard one to find. Yeah, that's a really weird
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: one that came out early eighty four, so it's in
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: between three, Locked Box and VOA and that was Sammy
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: and you know Sammy and Neil Sean go back to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you can find footage of there's black and white footage
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of Sammy I think from the Filmore in San Francisco,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and Neil comes on in jams because they're.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Big see it, right, I've seen it.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Good stuff and of course Neil it plays on Lover
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Money from Danger Zone, great solo to that, and Steve
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Perry's on that too. Actually, So those guys go way
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: back and they got together and they said, let's let's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: just throw a band together, write a bunch of songs,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: go on this short little tour, play them live and
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: record and then record an album or something like that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: So they got Kenny Aronson on bass, who he was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a session guy. He played with I think at the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: time he was playing with Billy Squire. He played with
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people. He was originally in a band
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: called Dust, which if you're a really really super diehard
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Kiss fan, you'll know the guy that was also in Dust,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: which is Richie Wise. Richie Wise was the co producer
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: in the first two Kiss records, and Michael Shreve was
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: had been the drummer in Santana, so he knew, you know, Neil.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: He and Neil played together before, right, so they According
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: to the liner notes of the album, from the November
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: ninth to twenty first of eighty three, they went on,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: this couldn't have been a long tour, and it couldn't
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: have couldn't have gone very far. They played all of
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: these new songs, tested songs fifteen. I think we're written
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: altogether and played because you can find that. Many find
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the concert on MTV and I documented in the chapter
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: all of the songs that didn't end up on the album.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: There is a there's a deluxe Blu ray reissue of
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that that needs to happen, but that's another story.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how are the other songs, Well.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: One of them was originally called through the Eyes of
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Love that was eventually was rewritten slightly and it became
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a song called the Love, which is on the Red
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Voodoo album. Yeah, that song dates back to the HSAS period.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: That's why Neil's got a song writing credit on it. Okay,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: so there's Hill through the Eyes of Love, Since You Came,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: were sometimes called ever Since You Came, Hope and Fear,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: what Will Never Be, and tough Enough. Those are all
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: songs that were recorded and you can see versions of them.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: They played the whole show on MTV, I guess back
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: in the day. So they went out and they and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: they did these songs and reportedly they did them live
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and then took the audience out. I think there's only
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: one song on the album, the closer my Hometown, that's
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: actually got some applause in it. But it is a
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: very off the floor, raw sounding album considering the rest
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of the Geffen album.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: So it's like off the soundboard, you don't hear Neil's.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Just blistering, like you could tell he was really getting
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: into the fact. Okay, I've got to I can really,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: you know, play the way I want to play now.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: But where I'm going with this, like top of the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Rock is a is a really really good Hagar anthem
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that wouldn't have sounded out of place on any of
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the rest of his albums. It actually wouldn't have sounded
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: out of place on a Van Halen album. But the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: song that I think there was a missed opportunity when
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: when in Sammy's autobiography he said that when they were
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: working on this HSAS album, he had already written I
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Can't Drive fifty five, but he wasn't gonna This wasn't
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be one of those songs, and he said, I
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't being cagey. I knew this was a song for me,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: so he was wise enough to keep it right. I
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: think they should have done the same thing with Missing You,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: because on a properly promoted Sammy Higar solo album, that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: song could have been a massive hit in nineteen eighty four.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: That's a fantastic melodic rock song. I just fantastic song.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: You add that to VA and you've got an even
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: bigger selling You could.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Have had he easily a top twenty hit, if not more.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: You know, when you get the types of songs that
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: were getting on the radio by nineteen eighty four, for example,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you had songs like Panama hitting number thirteen. You know
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean like it was opening up round and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: round by rat hit number twelve missing. You could have been,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you know, a huge across the board single, but it
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was just never going to have the chance because Geffen,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: We're never going to sync that much money into this album,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think, because they'd been working so hard to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: make Sammy happen as a solo artist, it was starting
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to happen. Plus Neil was on Columbia Records, was a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: member of Journey. There's no way they were going to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: let him moonlight. You know, he's making money for them too.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So this was never going to be a full There
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was never going to be an Has two.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: That's just not even a realistic possibility, right. It just
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't the right time for it. But what we get
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: when I when I listened back to it, it's a
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: really interesting album because it's a mix of songs that,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: like I said, that could have fit on a Sami album,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: maybe could have fit on a Van Halen album. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: then there's other songs that are really experimental, like that whole,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: the Whole, I call it a suite, the Whole, Animation, Valley,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the King's Giza, like the rest of side one. To me,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that's practically just one song. I think that it's an
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: odd choice that they made for the one single they
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: put up from this album, and that's the cover of
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: procol Harm's Wider Shade of Table. Now say odd, not
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: because it's not good, because it's very good, right. But
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: my argument that I make for it is like, who
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: did Geffen Record think that they were marketing this album too?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Would have either knew the song or be liked the song,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean at the time,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it was a fifteen year old song and it was
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: quote unquote an oldie. Right. It's a fantastic song, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: its original version.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I Hear You as a lead single, missing would have
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: been Yeah.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I'm missing You. Should have been the single. But I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: think it's really good. They give it the power ballot
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Treyven Sammy says, great, Neil does a great job of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: playing the organ line on guitar. Really well done, But
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: an odd choice for a single. It only hit ninety
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: four on the pop charts, so I mean, obviously the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the public kind of agreed, and it's an odd Hsas
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I say this in the book, no matter how you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: slice it, there's nothing catchy about it. Someone that ever
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: ring to it together just doesn't hsas is like, what
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: does that even say? Now, they did come up with
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: a cool logo, but it's like a legal firm, right,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you know, shown Aaronson intrigue. It's not like Crosby Stills,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Nash and Young where you hear it and you automatically
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: know who each of those guys are. You know Sammy
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: hag Are, Okay, you know who he is, Neil Sean,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: maybe you knows the guitar player from Journey at the time,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Aaronson and Shrieve. You gotta be a real music head
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: to know that stuff, right, Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't say those guys they wanted more money, yeah,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: and that wasn't gonna happen because they didn't.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Know the original bass player that was going to be
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: in that band. I didn't know this until recently. Was
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Tom Peterson from Cheap Trick an in Cheap Trick at
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: this time?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Right? He was out for a while, he was out
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: from been interesting? Wow, yeah, very interesting.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I think it comes down to who's available at any
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: given time, especially where this seemed to have been thrown
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: together quite quickly because three Locked Box. If we do
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the timeline and I think came out in December of
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: eighty two. He would have toured for most of eighty
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: three support it. I would think, you know, been in
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: full promo mode. So yeah, there wasn't a lot of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: time to put this together.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: So had he already recorded Voa?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Had he already and working on his next album proper?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: So I like the fact that it exists. It makes
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: for an interesting discussion because I still think there's a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: lot of people that don't know it exists.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those what ifs too, what if
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: they stayed together and then of course they planted us
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: years later? Was another attempt to.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: If you think about chicken Foot, chicken Foot could have
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: been Hsas, Hey Gar Satrianni, Anthony Smith.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go another hsas. Let's get to VOA
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, number thirty two album. His most identifiable
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: song I Can't Try, fifty five Swept Away, two Sides
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: of Love, Gray Tunes. Ted Templeman worked with Sammy again
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: on this one.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, it's really interesting. I'm not one hundred
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: percent sure about this, but this might be the first
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: album that Ted Templeman produced that Don Landy did not engineer,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: because Don stayed on with the Van Halen crewe. Right,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the Van Halen albums would always have these weird credits
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: like recorded by Don Landy. I'd never seen that before.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Was either produced or engineered or mixed, but recorded, so
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: which Ted says to me, and I know this is
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I know he did much more than this, but when
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: it says recorded by to me, it's like the guy
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that goes like this right stop, but he It was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: engineered by a guy named Jeff Hendrickson who became who
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: started to work with Ted after that, because if you
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: look in the credits to Aerosmith's Done with Mirrors, Honeymoon,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Sweet Racing After Midnight, Jeff Hendrickson is the engineer. Sammy
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: gave him a nickname and I can't remember what it is,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: but it was funny, very Sammy. But anyway, yeah, so yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Ted Templeman worked with Sammy in two band situations and solo,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: You talk about Missing You being a song that have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: included on VOA, because that would have helped to fill
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: the album out more because it's uneven. It's his most
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: popular album, I guess because I can't try fifty.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Five, but I've always considered it. It's the reason this
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: was his first platinum album was one hundred percent. I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Can't Drive fifty five. That was just an irresistible song.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: The video is a lot of fun, and he even
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: says I saw an interview with him once where he says,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that's a career song for me. It was not my
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: highest charting song, but it was by far the one
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that had the most impact. The day after that video premiered,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people recognized me.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: The staying power that he just played it at halftime
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: at the Las Vegas Raiders game that and right now, yeah,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that the staying power of that track has really served
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: him well.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: It's a solo, but I think I think, and this
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: is just my opinion, the bogus otis guys weren't weren't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: quite with me on it. But I think the album's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: very top heavy. I think side one is vastly superior
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to side too. I think side two has got some
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: real clunkers on it, and it's only got eight songs
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on it, which is weird for an album that came
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: out in nineteen eighty four. It's almost like it was
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: missing a couple of songs.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: You're right, eight tracks. I think the only song I like,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: really like on side too, and it's a really good
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: song is the title track.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I agree with you. I don't think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that would pass muster today. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty, it's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: pretty charged lyrically, but I mean Dick and the Dirt, Yeah,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: don't make me wait, don't make me wait. I love
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a good, sappy pop song from Sammy, but that's almost
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: too much for some reason, and burning Down the City
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to me is just not not I can never remember
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: really how it goes. I said to me, The lasting
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: legacy of that song is that Sammy drops an F bomb,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and that that's what I always think of. I don't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: think how the actual song goes. So yeah, he was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: really lucky that he had some some but I mean,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: let's talk about side one three. Lock Box is my
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: favorite Sammy Hagar solo album. But if I had to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: pick a favorite solo track, I think I'm a go
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: was swept Away.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that on the.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Song What a cool song.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, really good lyrics, solid lyrics. I know he
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: takes a hit.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Lyrics smart to me, it's another smart arrangement, just do
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the predictable thing on podcasts.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: We'll be back after this.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: We'll be back with the Magic Tones for the Armada
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Rooms to our disco swing party after this short break
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: till then, don't you go change it?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: He joins another band after Yeah, after that album, it's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: they kind of I can't remember van Halen. I think
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: What do you want to the mechanic? The Oh yeah, Claudia,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: thank for introducing Sammy and Eddie.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is, if Sammy's telling the truth he
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: had thought about retiring. I don't believe that. I think
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that would have lasted for a month.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Definitely thought about taking time off because if you know
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: he cut his hair, that's when you look at the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: fifty one to fifty era, that's why his hair is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: so short.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex van Hamill was busting his stones. Yeah, he's
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: making friends, like what the hell is that hare?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: By the time Oh you Ate one two came out,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: he had all his hair back. But but yeah, that's
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: why his hair is so short on those in those
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: photo sessions because he yeah, he was planning, yeah he yeah,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: he was gonna go live off the grid and yeah,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: he's a fun guy man, he's got he's got some
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: wild ideas.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Sometimes get way too much energy. He would have after
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: like a week or two, he'd be like.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd call up Neil Sean and want a jam.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So tell me fift to one fifty Oh you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: eight one two four and lawful Cardinal Knowledge and balance
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: those of the album studio albums all number one. You
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: have to pick one? Which one is it?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Oh? For Kernel Knowledge?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Easy? Yeah?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Easy? My favorite Van Halen album period.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still time it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Came out from the moment it came out, because I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: hadn't heard a thing off of it when that came
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: out in that that summer, and I remember it was
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: so new, it was still I think I was in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: a kmart. It was still in the boxes and the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: remember when the cassette used to come in the security,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: those plastic security things they'd have to open up for
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: you at the counter.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: It was still and if they didn't, you're not leaving.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I pulled one out of this box it
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't even on the shelf yet, and went out and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: paid for it. Hadn't heard anything off of it, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: then I heard whoa, And I'm like whoa, And the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: song after It's just that's a good song. That's a
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: good song, and it's.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Like Judgment been sad song years.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: It had been three years. It's the longest gap in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: between van Halen albums, right, So I was just so
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: into that album and I listened to it recently. I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: still nothing's ever going to top that one. I love
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: fifty one to fifty. Yeah, that's a special album. Oh
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: You eight one two is very special to me because
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: it was the first van Halim I bought as a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: new release. I think it had been up for a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: week or so, so that was that was really special.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: And Balance. I like Balance. A lot of people didn't.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I like Balance. It proved that Van Halen were one
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: of just a handful of traditional rock bands that could
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: survive the nineties, could survive grunge, the you know, they
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: still had a triple platinum album out of it.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: What I've noticed is when I'm in the mood to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: listen to Sami Era van Halen, I'm now going to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: for and Lawful first. And that's interesting because Oh You
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Wait one too is always my favorite Sami Era album.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I have a connection to it. It is the same
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: thing with me. The first album I ever bought when,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: And it was also the first experience of being a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: fan of Van Helen in real time as they're releasing
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: singles and videos.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Waiting for Yeah, so already. I didn't have fifty one
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: fifty until eighty eight.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Same here, same.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I had a dubbed copy of it, but I didn't.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Write of it right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Bought it, you know, I bought it fresh.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: And I Love you at one too. But now I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: just find the sound of for and Lawful it's it's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's really stood up over time. It doesn't sound
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: of a time, it doesn't sound like eighties, nineties whatever.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: And the production, the drum, I mean, just everything. And
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Judgment Day is maybe my favorite deep track from the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Sammy era. Just sad pass song gets it gets better
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: every time I listened to it. So yeah, it's hard
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: to pick pick one, but I guess I would. I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: would maybe say four and lawfel. Now, well you went
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: two second and fifty and fifty is third, and that's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: a really close third because that's the album that turned
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: me on not only to Van Halen, but just rock
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and roll in general. I was chasing that high that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I felt from listening to.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: That it's it's a, it's a. I even think Balance
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: is quite as strong.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Balance. I think they're all there after Shock.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: That is why I was. I don't think I've ever
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: been so disappointed in a band as I was in
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: ninety six when it was when when you know, Sammy
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: was not not in the band anymore. I was really,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this, this doesn't make any sense. They I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: just like, it hadn't been that long that they had
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the video for Humans being Out and that was great.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I remember, Oh, what a song. This will tie us
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: over till the next album. The one time I ever
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: saw Van Halen, the one time I ever saw Sammy
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: was on the Balance tour, and you know, we know
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: now what was going on, but they didn't look like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: four guys that hated each other, and they certainly didn't
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: play like it. So yeah, I was really I was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: really in a funk over that.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: It was like, I'll tell you what happened with me.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I actually was on a high because I'm thinking Dave's back,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and I love Dave, so I'm a huge Dave era
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: van Halen fan, and I'm a huge fan of Dave solo.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: So for me, it was I get to finally see
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: this lineup that I never got to see when they
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: were originally around. So there was that high, and then
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: that all turned a shit show upon the ninety six
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: MTV Video Awards and it falls apart.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: So you can watch it fall apart. Yeah, it's as
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: amazing real timings that you can watch all the plans
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: that Eddie and Alex might have had for their baby
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: fall apart on stage. Yeah, Dave just would not. Dave
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: could have retired with Van Halen if he'd played his
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: cards right, but he had to. He had to take
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: the spotlight and he looked like such a goon.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: And so that meant Sammy's no longer there, Dave's no
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: longer there now. Yeah, so now it's like it was
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: like the Hangover here, It's like, oh fuck, there's no
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: van Halen.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what just And.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: You know, when Gary joined, I was I was slightly excited,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: but I still was. It was so hard to come
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: off with that high of this possibility that we're going
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: to get this huge reunion of the original four.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: This is how that timeline went for me. So, like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I'd seen the MTV thing and I thought, what an idiot.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: You know this is not gonna work. The best of
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: was out of course I bought it. Yeah, I'm a fan,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I thought me Wise
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Magic was awesome, Like I thought that was the other
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: can't get this stuff more was okay, but Wise Magic
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that put me back to like fair Warning era, like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Diver you know when the real experimental stuff on Diver down,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like like little Guitars, And I was in I'm like, Okay,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: this might not be so bad, but you know, it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: turned out the way it turned out. And I'm a
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: big extreme fan. I love Extreme. Gary's fantastic. It was
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: a bad fit. It a bad fit. I tried so
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: hard to like Van Halen three. I bought it when
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: it first came out. It's I still think they were
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: trying to make him sing like Sammy when you listen
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to the his vamps at the end of Without You,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: or if you listen to Fire in the Hole in general,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Fire in the Hole is basically a Van Hagar erast
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: van Hale, like it's just begging for Sammy to sing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: it and the other stuff on it. Like once it's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: just it just gets really really weird. Now there's some
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: cool stuff on it like Dirty Water Dog. And but
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking I shouldn't have to work at liking
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: a Van Halen album because ever since All You eight
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: one two came out, it was just a given I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: would love.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: It instant, right. Yeah, it was just such a such
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: a difficult time to be a fit and.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: It crippled Eddie. I mean creatively it wasn't you know
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: it was? It only went gold. It was the first
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: time he didn't have a platinum album and what wait,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: we had all these years go by with hardly any
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: music to speak of.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in an album he made Sober, the first album
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: ever made Sober, so that I'm sure devastated him that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: it didn't pan out the way he had hoped it was.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the dark period, as they
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: call it, for.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: There was just nothing to speak of now. Silver lining
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: in that for me it was that I liked Sammy
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Hagar as a solo artist, so like, well, we'll get
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: more Sammy Hagar albums.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Podcast, We'll be back after this.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I remember of my friend that not just the will
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: affect you in the future.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Before we get into the post Van Haalen years, it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: was that one album that for me personally, is my
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: favorite Sammy solo album. That's I Never Said Goodbye in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. That's Gottay on Bass that he co
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: produced it and it's got, what I say, my opinion,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: the best so song Samy's ever written, which is Eagles
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Fly and it's got Give to Live on there as well,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: which those two songs he included often throughout the years.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Those are like like one Way to Rock, those are
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: those became Honorary van Halen. Yeah, this for you.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Would probably be what the most surprising success story of
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Sammy so because it was just a contractual obligation yea, not.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Just success as you know, the fact that it went
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: gold without a tour to promote it and probably minimal
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: promo from Geffen, I mean past like with the first
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: two weeks of you know it being out, how much
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: money are they going to sink into it? This? This
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: is this was a business transaction, you know, let's face it.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: This is why if you look inside of fifty one
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: fifty it said Sammy Hagar solo recordings are available on
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Geffen Records. You didn't see that with a lot of
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: different albums with you know, members, But.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: That's interesting observation.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, well this is stuff I figured out over time.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: This stuff. None of these things that are written in
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: credits or is something it's it's it's not there for
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: no reason. It's like if you look at the if
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: you've got an original pressing of Metallica's Master of Puppets,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: which they were fully on Electra Records by this point,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: but there's a Mega Force logo that was a deal
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: they made with Johnny Z upon leaving Megaporce. The next
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: album would Hapened Mega Force logo featured on it.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the stuff people like us geek out.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: This is sort of a yeah, we're getting into the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: week two.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: But I love it.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that I Never said Goodbye is
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: a much better album than VOA. It's a much stronger album.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: And it could have been a complete throwaway. I mean,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Sammy could have looked around, found some cassettes in his
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: basement of stuff and just given Geffen a nine to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: ten song album of leftovers. But no, he came up
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: with a really strong collection of songs. I think that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: the good vibe in the band was, you know, personified
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: by the fact that Eddie co produced the album for
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: it played bass on it. Solo's on one song. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: didn't know that until later.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you listen, which is, by the way, a.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Little bit of tapping maybe.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Because Eagles Fly, You're right, yeah, like it's got that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: whammie bar and put tapping on it.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: It's not an over the top solo. But it's like,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: once I knew that, I was like, well, yeah, of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: course that's Eddie.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: But and by the way, eagles Fly could have been
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I know U it one too, but Alex said no,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: he didn't like the song. Did you ever hear that story?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, yeah, I mean I.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Just didn't think it would fit.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: It might have it might have done better because it
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: only peaked at like ninety seven I think on Billboard,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: which is yeah, Gift to Live did, respectively hit twenty three.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: The video got some play, and the album went gold
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: when it you know, it could have just tanked. Now.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: What I find weird about that album, of course, is
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: the fact that it came out without a title, and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, the title was decided upon somebody
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: was asleep at the switch there, Because how do you
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: put an album out without a to you know, you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: just give it a a a serial number and say
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: good But apparently they you know, the MTV at a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: contest and it was decided the albums called I Never
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Said Goodbye. But it wasn't until I think ninety two
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: that the reissue happened. And I don't think there's ever
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: been a vinyl issue of it with the title on it.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: All the copies of it I have are just self titled.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I don't have any of the reissues.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I think I have only the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I have the cassette, the original cassette, which is it
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that Never Say Goodbye title. By the way,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: you sent me an amazing NP three an alternate version
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: of Standing at the Crossroads which leads off side to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and that leads into privacy, And there's a longer version
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: of that because I love Sammy's guitar work on that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Standing at the same old Crossroads. It's slide guitar blues
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: e goes right into privacy. I was going away you.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can reveal a secret as
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to where you got that from.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you no. I got to thank my
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: good friend Mike Ladano from draft vinyl.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I can hear the crackling of the vinyl record.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Ladano from Grab a Stack of Rock is
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the one that put me wise to that because honestly,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if its existence, but it is on
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: the twelve inch single to Give to Live. Now. I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: have the regular American forty five picture sleeve of A
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Gift to Live and it's got when the Hammer Falls
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: on the B side, but the twelve inch has when
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the Hammer Falls and this extended version of Standing at
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the Same Old Crossroads. Now, honestly, Standing at the Same
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Old cross Roads is less a song, more of just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: a showcase for Sammy as a slide guitar player, and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: he is very good and it works better as a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: short intro you know, before privacy, to Do to Do,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to Do, to Do, before those drums kick in. But
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: it's cool to hear this extended version, so yeah, share, share, Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: you got to share it, man, you gotta share it
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: really cool And again you know there's there is a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: B side slash rare tracks, Slash alternate takes, slash album
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: that Universal could conceivably put out for Sammy of these
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: these stray songs. Like I said, the alternate version of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: heavy Metal You've got not one, but two complete different
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: originals as B sides from the Standing Hampton era, The
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Satisfied and Don't Get Hooked. Those have never been on
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: CD as far as I know, and you know there's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: a place to these songs should be collected up. I
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: tried my hardest to account for every sort of stray
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: song that was out there. You remember that song open
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: he had no in like two thousand and eight, But
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I remember hearing this song on rock radio for like
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: a week called Undeniably Sammy, and it was digital lonely.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe I have not heard this.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It should have been on Cosmic Universal fashion. I know
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I'm jumping ahead, but those are the songs that I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: want on a CD. I don't want air, you know
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Put them on a physical format to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: listen to. Sure that never said goodbye for one reason,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and I got to do this. This is one of
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: my prize possessions. Uh. Not only was it his last
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: album on Geffen and his last he thought it was
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: going to be his last solo album ever, so also
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the last last album come out like.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: This eight track Babies.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Columbia House US Columbia House Record Club only version of
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Sammy's nineteen eighty seven album.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Tim Diurling, we're gonna have to crown
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: you're the king of eight tracks because you have an
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: amazing book on collecting eight tracks, which is so cool.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't even have that when I when I did
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: the Unschooled books, everything, every picture, all the albums pictured
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: in this book are from my own collection too. I'm
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: only missing one eight track by Sammy, and that's Rematch.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, Prematch.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: That's the only wow. And then I'll have all of them,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: aside from the fact that there doesn't appear to be
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: one for VOA, which doesn't make any sense.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: No eight track for VOA does.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Not appear to be one, which makes no sense because again,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: why would an eighty seven album exist in that format?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: But his biggest album from three years earlier exists, even
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: the HSAS album exists.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: So well, I think because when we when I had
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: you on for Unspooled, we were getting into that where
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: you get to the like late eighties and it's like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: hit or miss, and there's no explanation as to why
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: a label would have it on a track, why they
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: decided not to it's.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Hit or miss, But usually you know a band will
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: stop and that'll that'll be it. Like Kiss, for example,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Animalize is the last Kiss album to appear on eight track,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: But in this case it would be like you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: if you're a Kiss fan, you can follow this logic.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: If Asylum didn't come out on eight track this is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: which is from eighty five, but Crazy Nights from eighty
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: seven did. It doesn't make any sense.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense sense.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: So I can't say for one hundred percent sure that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: it doesn't. I've just never I have no evidence of
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: it existing, which you would think it would it was
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: a successful album. You'd think Geffen would if they're issuing
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: these other albums to the record clubs. I don't know.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: It's just a big mystery. So yeah, yeah. My two
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: grails that I found, uh since doing the unspooled book
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: where I never said goodbye or the self titled and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: fifty one to fifty. So now I have all the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Vanalen ones booked.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: On rock podcast. We'll be back after this oh time lunch.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: So now we get to the post Van Halen solo years,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: which is really interesting. By the way, just want to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: just want to give props to the song's High Hopes
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: and buying My Way into Heaven because that's off his
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: best of.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: On box really good songs and lots of those songs.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Cries.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a nice bread I was in.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: I was going to radio college at that point, and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: I remember getting an MCA sampler and seeing High Hopes
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: on there. I was like, oh, yeah, this is cool.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: And then I went and bought Unboxed and that was
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: that was a good one disc, you know, twelve song
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: collection of Sammy's best But yeah, he's got two really
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: good new songs.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: On them, solid solid best of the two great new tracks.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: But Marching to Mars nineteen ninety seven, that's the first
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: one post van Halen. He's got Huey Lewis on harmonica
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: on little white slats and they're all Mickey Hart on
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Marching the title tracks. Yeah, what was the meat Loaf
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: connection to ambs is Granted?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Didn't you so? Ambscy has granted? Sammy wrote that song,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Meatloaf had recorded it two years prior he'd recorded it
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: in nineteen.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Ninety five, right? Is that? On Bad the Help Welcome
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: to the Name and Welcome to.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: The album that came out after a bad it hell too.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Marching to Mars that that's straight ahead rock
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: or Sammy and No God. I love both sides. Now
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: it's the other one I love on that album.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: But Mark this is my second favorite Sammy Hager. I've
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: loved it since the time it came out. I think
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: it's one of Sammy's most personal I I hear so
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: much hurt in that album because he said, I never
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: wanted to leave van Halen. I figured I'd be retiring
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: with these guys, and like he said, why would I
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: leave the you know, why would I leave the best
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: man in the world. I'd have to be crazy.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Just it was a bummer that went.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Oh it's that that whole situation went south, the way
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: that all happened. The more you read about it, you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: the death of Ed Leffler really did a number. They
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: were never the same after that.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: And all of these by the way, for those who
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: may not know, managed Sammy.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because van Halen at that point actually didn't have
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: a manager, and I think that's been a lot of
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the problem. I think that's why there hasn't been a
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: lot you know, there were years when there was nothing
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: from the van Halen camp heard.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Thing out of them right left cancer and.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah or so so then they got readels in that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: for van Halen that just did not work.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: That was it. That was it, and.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Eddie conflicts became big conflicts, and next thing you know,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Sammy found himself out of Van Halen.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: And you hear how great Sammy's voice sounds still on
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: those albums. It still sounds great now, but you know
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: you could.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: You listen to Salvation on San Hill and and like
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: he's singing fantastic and and like I said, I think
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I can hear him letting out his pain on these songs.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: But by the end of the album, you get to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Marching to Mars, and all of a sudden, it sounds like,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: you know what he's gonna be all right, one.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Of my favorite Sammy songs.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean Little White Lie, that's a pretty
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: pointed song, especially if you see the video. But it's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: a cool song, cool bluesy song. I love how it builds,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: and I love how it leaves you wanting more because
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: just as it kicks in, it's done.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: It's quick toune. Yeah, I don't even think it's I.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Don't even think it's three minutes. Yeah, But I love
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: leaving the warmth of the womb, which is again it's
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: it's Sammy wanting to heal things. So he and Ronnie Montrose.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's spoken, so he he brought in
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: that original Montrose band, So Ronnie Montrose, Bill Church and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Denny Carmassi, the four of them. So on the confines
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: of the Sammy Hagar album, there's a bona fide Montrose
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: song and I love it. Yeah, it's just it's always
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: been my It'll never topple three lock box, but it's
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: it's my second favorite.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: And radio was walking welcoming Sammy as a solo artist.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: They were playing the.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Top twenty album. I have to think it was close
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to gold. It's a shame that it's a shame that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Sammy wasn't able to regain his footing as a solo
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: artist as far as sales go. But then again a
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: lot of veteran artists were suffering at this point. You know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: their new albums weren't selling that well.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: So what do you think of the albums that finished
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: out the nineties and into the two thousands, Because this
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: is where we get into the Jimmy Buffett vibe that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: sam he had right. You got Red Voodoo nineteen ninety
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: nine with the Waboritas ten thirteen. Great album goes back
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: to kind of his straight ahead rock roots.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: So Red Voodoo was the Red Voodoo I remember buying
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: that when it first came out. Mastakilla is the last
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: of his the last song that Samy put out by
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: himself that got any amount of radio play. It's okay,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I you know, I wish that he'd made it sound
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: just different enough so that he didn't have to, you know,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: credit Gary Glitter. But I mean it's a fun song
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: and he sings it really well, this great guitar playing
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: in it, So I'm okay with it. Red Voodo is
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: hit and miss for me, because you know, it is
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: when he's starting to get into that beach persona, and
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, on a personal level, it's it was really good.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: He seemed to have found that piece right after those
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: turbulent last few years with Van Halen and then well,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I mean it was essentially, you know, he put it like,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: you know, if a band is like a marriage, it
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: was like finding you know, you know, your spouse in
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: bed with their ex, which is exactly what was happening
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: because Eddie said, well, we've been working with David Lee
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Roth and he's like for ten years, this guy was
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: the enemy you're working with, Like, how dare you know?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: So the betrayal was there. So by the time he
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: gets to this market, the Red Voodoo, he's kind of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: he kind of just wants to party, and I'm all
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: for that, but I'm just not into the hole laid back,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, beach front acoustic guitar. I'm not into the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: whole that whole thing. Now Red Food is still pretty
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: good for the most part, but yeah, it starts to
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's to me, there's a real slide. And
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: as far as like how much hard rock you're gonna
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: get per album? Now, Having said that, even though it's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: twenty years old, four years old, I'm still gonna call
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: it a latter day album. I think ten thirteen is fantastic,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: killer album, and I like to do a book like this.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I had to listen and re listen and re listen
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: and make sure I knew what I was talking about
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: and re listening to ten thirteen. Honestly, like, by the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: time these albums started to come out, I was starting
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: to have kids, and you just don't have time for
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: stuff like you know your your hobbies, So I would
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: buy the albums listen to them filum. But when I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: when I when I went back and started digging through
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: some of these these albums from this period, I'm like,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: I forgot how good this was, Like that is do
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: me great, great album. It's got three in the Middle
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: and Protection and let Sally Drive Shock a dude, deeper
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: kind of love, deeper kind of love. If van Halen
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: had done that, that would have been a big hit. That
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: was a single that could have been a hit for
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: van Halen.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Serious juju. He's trying some different stuff there. Sonically it
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: was really cool.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it and it kind of works.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: And the song ten thirteen man play that every year
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: on your birthday. Yeah, it's a great song. Yeah, it's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: a birthday song.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with that album.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Tropic of Cavicorn, I love, Yeah, I even like that song.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a rocker. It's it's the only
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: song I really don't like on that album. And I
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: and I mentioned this the book, I don't really like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the Real Deal because I don't like the way Sam thinks.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's got this this exaggerated blues man persona and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I think, wow, man, you've got one of the greatest
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: voices ever use it.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: You know what, that's just one person's opinion. Yeah, it
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: was all about presenting the albums. Here the albums where
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: this song is on him, here's what it looked like.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, but I do you know, I'm not
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: going to say everything's great, because I don't think.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: That Booked on Rock podcast will be back after this.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Your pants pocket hold kids for the future where.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: That pants can side out, Tim, I'm gonna this is
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: the one that I'm going to argue for not not
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: for sale. I like this album. I like stand Up,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: I like Hallelujah. I like Halfway to Memphis. Things have changed.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Not a big fan whole lot of Zepp No, but
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I like the Big Nail Make It All Right is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: my favorite on this entire album. I think it's that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: would have been a great Van Hilen song, The Big
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Square Inch. Yeah, I'm in why are you out on
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: this one? Well?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say. Anybody that's read the book
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: already knows that I'm basically the complete opposite. But that's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: what makes these discussions really fun on.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: The legendary label thirty third Street Records.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: So so the first thing that the first thing that
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: comes to mind with not for Sale is how hard
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: a time I had finding it. This is the first
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: time I had to send away for a new Sammy
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Hagar album. You know, it's one thing to order, you know,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: a vinyl of you know, the Red album on eBay
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: because you can't find it locally. But this is a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: brand new album and I can't find it in the store.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: So I had to wait a little bit to get
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: to it, and I'm like, Okay, now this will all
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: be worth it once I listened to it, and I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: remember being seriously underwhelmed by it, and unfortunately that opinion
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: has not changed. I find that most of the songs
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: in this album are completely underwritten, and it sounds rushed
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: to me. And maybe that's because Sammy even says he
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't planning on putting an album out. It just happened,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: and it just sounds like that's exactly what it sounds
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: like to me. It sounds rushed. I think Stand Up
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: is way overrated. You know, it had a lot of
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: attention because it was recorded in you know, in the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: movie rock Star, and everybody in their dog is claiming
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: that song is theirs. Jeff Soto says it's his. Dude
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: from Steelheart says he sang it Mark Slaughter, and it's
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar's song.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Well, have you ever heard? His version has played a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: lot in sports games. I hear I'm watching a game
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: on TV, I'll hear Sam's version.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense, and that's good. They're playing the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: right version. But I just man, I just don't know.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: The songs sound half cooked to me. Now what I like?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: The Big Square Inch? Is that the one that he
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: sings with David Lauser.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Let's see the Big Square Inch?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he sings with somebody.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see here, hold on a sec, let's see. Uh,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: it's got to be in the book, right, I would say, Well,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I could like Sammy see hold.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: On like he's just about to get to it.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sure right, big nail ain't nothing. How about the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Big Square Inch? Heck they should have they should have
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: butted these tracks together.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's the one.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trade vocals with David Lauser.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do like that one. I do like that one.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his voice is charming in and Ace Freeley circa'ce
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Frehley sorry ah Frehley circa nineteen seventy eight to nineteen.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of I kind of like, I kind
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: of like David Lauser's vocals on that Hallolu is okay,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I don't mind that one. I can't stand the Zeppelin.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Oh like that should never And I joke in the book,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I said, I hope when he started working with Jason
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Bonham the Jason don't ever do that again.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: That's why he's not.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: That's you know what, That's a story. I'm so sick
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: of hearing about that.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Actually, Sammy finally responded because because Jason was quoted as
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: saying he was kind of bummed, he was a little disappointed,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: but he still gets along great with Sammy. But Sammy
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: commented and said, look, I love the guy. He's a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: freaking amazing drummer. It's just we needed somebody he couldn't
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: do it. We moved on. Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because essentially he now has Chicken foot
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: mark two yep, because he's because Kenny Aronoff did the
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: tour Jumping ahead. Yeah, not for sale, man, I just
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I I I had to buy it because I you know,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I can't. You know, I had to. I'm a fan
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did, but it just it hasn't.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: It's never stuck to me. This is thirty third Street Records,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: which I which has something to do with Tower Records.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: It was within two years and uh and and this
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: is another thing that you know, and Sammy's not alone
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: in this, like Alice Cooper, there's a ton of these
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: veteran artists that they just end up bouncing from crappy
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: label to crappy label, and it just becomes really hard
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: to find their albums. That's why I really wanted to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: make sure that there was no way this album that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: was was going to stop at a certain point. It
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: was going to be like all the albums are going
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: to be here. I don't care how successful or unsuccessful
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: they were.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, not for Sale.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: It's not my least favorite. Not for Sale is not
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: my least favorite.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: You live it up your least favorite? Yes, that's mine.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, you know, they could have reached through
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: the screen. I got it, honest, it's just too laid
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: back for me.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember I listened to that interview, so
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: they really Yeah, they they're fans of it. I I uh,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: during the summer months, I think I can enjoy it
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: more because it is a summertime type of v album.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: That's what light Roast is for.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Light Roast, yeah, which is all acoustic. But I sam
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: I am. I never really dug living on a coastline
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: of like, well I love this bar No, but you know,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: rest in peace, Toby Keith. It's not nothing.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not a country guy either, so I'm not likely
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: to I'm not liable to like that album.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: But let me take you there.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Did I buy it? Yes, of course I bought. Yeah.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: It's got a lot of covers on it too.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: It's got a great cover though. It's a great shot
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: at Sammy on the cover of a little Well.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: One thing about I will say this. It basically lets
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: you know what you're in for. Yeah, it's just not
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: going to be a hard rocking album. Ye I say this,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: and he could do whatever he wants.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I was just about to say I say this all
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: the time. I support I support every artist's choice to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: do what they feel they want, they feel most inspired
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: to do. It doesn't matter. Hey, look we'll come back
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: for the next one. If we're not happy with it.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: But I will say this though, one of my top
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: ten Sammy songs is on this album, and it's Salean
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: and I don't think you're feel the same way, but I.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Know goes so it didn't even miss love.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: So then one of these times I'll put it on
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: because I do like you know, people might be surprised
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: to hear this. If I say I don't like it,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I go If I like the artist, I'll go back
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: and maybe maybe it'll click. One of these times. I
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: don't know, I will do this. It hangs together as
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: an album, which is more than I can say for
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: what followed.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Cosmic Universal Fashion.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: That's a weird one.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Weird because it's you talk about top heavy, phenomenal first
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: three tracks, and then after that it just kind of
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: goes downhill. You got Cosmic Universal Fashion in a real
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: hurry hurry.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Like Sammy had two weeks to get it, you know.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: The title track had been just a standalone Internet single,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I think, and then it was put on this album.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was also on this album called bag
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Dad Heavy Metal right, a combination of like you know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Eastern and Western artists, and this song is on it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: I liked the video. It was a it was a
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: fun play on the right now video, especially the part
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: where it's like, know, Mikey is still thinking about a
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: solo project. How it is really good? Peephole is really good?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I got maybe I listened a loud again. Psycho
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: people are phenomenal and it's.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: John Eddy song but it sounds like a Sammy Hagar
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: three chord rocker and maybe you know, and based on
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: what follows, but I kind of like the one he
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: did with Billy Gibbons Switch on the Light, but it
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: gets really laid back. I don't need to hear him
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: cover the Beastie Boys. I don't need to hear acoustic
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: versions of Kabo and Dreams. But the other weird thing
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: about Cosmic Universal Fashion is that it seems like it
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: was out and the next thing, you know, Chicken foots
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: all and he was talking about so it came out,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: it disappeared. It was on road Runners. It was like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: a semi at that time, they were, you know, a
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: successful label, but it was just thrown out there. Another
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to address with this book, and I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: want to I I always want to be careful about
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: it because it's not any disrespect to any of the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: musicians that because Sammy's always worked with great musicians. But
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't care if the album is called Sammy Hagar
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: in the Circle, Sammy and the Wobbles, Sammy Hagar and
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: the Wabritas, those are Sammy Hagar albums to me, because
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Sammy's the driving force. He's the writer, you know, he's
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: the aside from Jesse Harms, they aren't writers in that
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: band and Cosmic Universal fashion. If you look at the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: personnel on that album, it's practically the Waburitas on most
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: of the album. Yet it's credited to Sammy Hagar, which
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: further lets me know it makes no difference. But again,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: there are some good songs on there, but it's very
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: hit and miss and it peters up really quick and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: fortunately and I think we're gonna just about to get
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: to this things. We're about to get really good.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Chicken Foot man. Yeah, we love.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: That first chicken Foot album so much, and I think
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: the second one is almost as good. I prefer the debut,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: but man, I really wish that it continued because they
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: had a sound it wasn't and it wasn't the same
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: as Sammy solo stuff. It didn't sound anything like Van
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Halen other than the fact that you've got to hear
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Sammy and Mike singing together again, which was I realized
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: how much I missed that because those two sounds so
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: good singing together.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: And I forget longer. I forget. Andy John's produced that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: first one.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: First Yeah, and Mike Fraser produced the second one to
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: find I think that might have been one of the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: last albums Andy John's produced. It's a great sounding album.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: It's a heavy, you know, not heavy, but it's a
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: hard rocking album. And my favorite part is and I
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: forgot I've got about this until I started doing the book.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: I forgot that actually went gold. That's I heard of.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: That was that was practically unheard of for a but
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I know it's a quote unquote new band, But I
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: mean a bunch of veteran rock and roll guys have
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: a gold record in two thousand and nine.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Number five record too, number five album.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the second one did nothing like it came up,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: and maybe that's why we haven't seen a third one.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: I guess more polished. Yeah, Yeah, different Devil. I just
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: think is an outstanding song. I think it just if
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: it was ten years earlier and radio was more.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: That's a weird one for me. I get into this
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: with people. I don't like that song.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah you don't like it? Yeah, I think if radio was.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Fit chicken Foot at all, that sounds more like something
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: that would have been on three, Locked Box or Voa. Yeah,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: and I probably would have liked it more. But it
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: sounds in context of chicken Foot, it sounds too poppy.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: I know that's and people that know me say, yeah,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: but you like all kinds of Sammy's poppy stuff, you
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: like feel so good. I'm like, I know, in no sense,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I don't care for that song.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I see, I can't can't listen to it enough.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: And I was gonna I was gonna say, I think,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a time there rock radio was
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: more influential. If they played a single, and I think
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: maybe it would have done better. But interesting though, how
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: people hear songs differently, right, Yeah, you.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: Know it's great stuff on their Bigfoot is great big Foot.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I love it's different, but I love three and a
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: half Letters.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: You have letters, very different but very cool that the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: lyrics about people losing their jobs and these are actual
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: letters from from people.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: That's why it's called Yeah, wrote.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: To Sammy and saying, look, man, you know, if you
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: can help me out something's going wrong, that's a great
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: one too.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I even like the hidden track on there was it
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: called no Change.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, you know change.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's good and uh, you know, if anybody wanted
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: any proof of the fact that this wasn't just your
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a label throwing a bunch of guys together
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: and and you know, because that's what you know, Frontiers
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Record says that a lot. That's why most of the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: time when people say they're doing a side project, I
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: roll my eyes because they never last right. They never
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: said anything. But all anyone has to do is watch
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: that DVD Blu Ray. They put out chicken Foot after
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: the first tour that get your buzz on. They sounded
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: fantastic live. They sounded like they've playing together for years.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: I know they saw them live in Connecticut.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: But but but Sammy and Joe and and Chad, they
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: just said it's so good. And I got to give
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: those guys a lot of credit. They went out on tour.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: They didn't play any Van Halen songs where they easily
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: could have dipped into the Van Halen catalog, they did
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: the entire chicken Foot album. They did like My Generation,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Highway Star, and then the only old Sammy song they
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: did was Bad Motor Scooter.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really were serious about which is surprising that
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: they didn't last longer because they were very serious about
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: them as a band. They're not going to go out
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: there and play any Chili Pepper songs, Van Halen song,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: sing Song or anything like that. Yeah, it's it is
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: a shame. Maybe they'll get back together, you never know,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: but right now, Sammy's got a great thing going with
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: the best of all worlds tour and bandy.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: Nothing would make me happier than having to go back
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: and do a second edition to this and have another album,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: to do a chapter on.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: An album, and you know you got a song coming
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: because he already said him and Joe Saturn, he wrote
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: a song that's dedicated to Eddie. It's about Eddie.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: And if I'm if, I I'm gonna be completely honest.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised somebody hasn't mentioned this to me yet.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I did miss a couple of things, did you as
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: bad as bad? As I hate to admit it, now
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I will I will defend myself on one because it's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: digital lonely and it's a song called Inner Child that
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: there's a clip of him doing it like during a
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Dan Rather interview. But I think that there's a digital
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: version of it, which I don't do digital, so that's why.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: But the other one, but the other one is the
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Christmas song he did a couple of years a few
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: years ago for Christmas. So what I totally forgot about
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: that song. It just totally slipped my mind.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: What's the title again?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's called Santa's Going South for Christmas. I've
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: since bought single You Right, a twelve bench single. It
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: was a record store day thing, I think in twenty nineteen.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I totally thought about that. And I also forgot to
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: mention that he co wrote a couple of songs on
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Heart's nineteen ninety album Brigade.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course Danny Karmoski was in Heart and Yes
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Montros and Sammy solo band. So yeah, he co wrote
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: the song the night in this one called Fallen from Grace.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: So you know, that's something that another edition of this
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: book I would include that stuff. But other than that,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: I think I did a pretty good job at scooping.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Up all the Yeah you freaking yeah, I almost.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Missed the I almost missed one at the end of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: ninety nine because he did that song with Mickey Hart
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: called Oh what was it called? It was about why
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: two came?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Oh why too? Yes, well I gotta think of it. Yes,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Jez cold War colde War, which I I'm a huge
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: fan of that song, and I wish I didn't.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Know about it. I didn't know about it. I I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: don't know who put me wise to it, but then
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I went and listened to it. So it's in the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: chapter the end of the chapter on Red Voodoo because
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: the time wise it makes sense.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: But so is that anywhere? But I'm sure you too,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: But is there anywhere else?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's you know again, there's songs that
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: need to be put together in physical form.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that song. Yeah, and I'm a
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: dead fan so Mickey Hart. It's definitely drums in space
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Mickey hard type stuff, drum loops.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: And all the fun March was a little spacey. This
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: one takes it further.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, their buddies, Yeah they I thought that was
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: a cool collaboration. So let's wind down out with the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: last three albums. Right, because we got we got Sammy
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: with the Circle, which we got Space Between twenty nineteen,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Lockdown twenty twenty which came out in twenty twenty one,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Crazy Times twenty twenty two, just kind of a brief
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: my thoughts on it, and then I'll let you finish
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: up with your thoughts. Their cover of David Bowie's Heroes
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: a great cover, phenomenal cover like that Lockdown as a whole,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: like it really cool that they did that and gave
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: the fans something during a shitty time and covid Man.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody there's been full versions of most.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Were there were abbreviated versions of songs.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun, definitely fun to listen to.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Podcast. We'll be back after this space between. Yeah, I
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: like Affirmation and there's a few other songs I could
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: really dig. I like it, but I like Crazy Times
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: even more so Father Time. And then there's the digital
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: bonus track song of of of that Crazy Times album.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: It's on the Jepany twenty one twenty.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, it's good. Sound like it was recorded
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: at the same time though if you know his names
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: sound the same. But yeah, it's good. So yeah, I
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: mean he puts Sammy Hagar and Friends out in twenty thirteen.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: That's a mixed bag. It's kind of.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Still oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'm sorry.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: And it's got a lot of covers on it, and
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: he's got a lot of guest stars on it. But
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: it does have some I think it's got some pretty
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: good material on it. I actually it kind of liked
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the version of Personal Jesus. I think that one's a
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: I like the version of Rambling Gambling.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Man I'm going down is on there.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: With That's great. Yeah.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tas Mahall I think is on that one.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, Space Between was another one
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: of those albums that it came out. I bought it,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: I listened to it. I think I did a review
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: episode on it, and then I kind of forgot about it.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: I actually quite like a lot of the songs, and
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: they're like free man, that's a really heavy one.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: The last track is really cool. Yeah, the Gang vocals, Yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: It kind of begins how it ends.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: I like how they hey Hey without greed.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: It's called they did the trust fun Baby, which they
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: use the riff from I've Got the Fire, but they
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: wrote a kind of a new song around it. So
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: that's why Ronnie Montrose has credit for it, because it's
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: got that dead.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Like it's yes, got the fire riff really cool.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right Crazy Times. I agree with you. I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: think Crazy Times is better. And you know, it's kind
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: of the same thing when I when I wrote when
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: I did the Kansas book. If the more recent albums
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: either okay, either if the more recent albums weren't that good,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: or they just didn't do any new albums, I don't
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: know how excited I would have been to do a book.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: But he's still out there. It doesn't matter. It does
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: not matter how well these albums sell. He's still making
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: new music at a time when a lot of his
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: peers either stopped making new music or they take years
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: between albums to get together and do something. You know,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: just love.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: I love it. He's just so excited about more.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Like I like slow Grain, I like you get what
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: you're paid for. I like I like the cover of
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Pump It Up Like it's good.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: If you follow him on social media, you just see
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: this guy is just every day he's doing something, and
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: he's well living his life to the fullest.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Thing that I don't see old. It's one thing. If
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: you don't like if you just don't like somebody's music,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: that's fine. How can you hate this guy? He's just
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: having some fun. He's a philanthropist, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a good guy. He's good dude. And
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: and and when you listen to something like Crazy Times,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: which is you know, it's over two years old now,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: but you got to remember when that album was recorded,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: he was like seventy four. Like I can't imagine my
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: dad on stage doing what Sammy does and at the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: same age. Practically, I just can't, you know what I mean,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's amazing to me. He's like the Fountain of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Youth or something like he just he will not stop.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I used to think maybe he was abducted by aliens,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: like maybe he's an alien, you know, because it was
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: a while there, like he didn't he wasn't aging at
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: all either. I'm like, damn, this guy's like in his
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: sixties and he's just starting to look a little older now,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: but it's like, you know.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Not aging.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: I saw him running back and forth on the stage
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: for two hours when I saw him in the summer,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: and it was like, fuck, does this guy do you
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: know like he's doing.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like he was doing one show
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: a week, you know what I mean. I really wish
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: that tour had come closer to where I was. I
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: would have had to go to Toronto or Boston.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that sucks quite a long ways. So well,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll get a live video something, you know, something.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like and and uh, yeah, you know I love
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: the song selections he was doing. He want the van
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Halen stuff they were getting, you know, ambitious with the with.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: The songs Summer Nights.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't they do seventh seal?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Or yeah they did seven seals?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: The probably didn't do seven that's never been played since
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: the Balance tour, right, right?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: And I and he plans on bringing some more stuff
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: out in the Vegas run.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Well I think I think he's right. And when he said, like,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: you know, if he and Mike they own that stuff.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so which which of course again the haters, Oh yeah, but.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: The haters didn't like that stuff anyway, So what doesn't
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: you can't make? You know, I don't even you know,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I can't even get into all that. I can talk.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: I can talk the first six albums, and I really
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: liked the different kind of truth too. I really liked
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: that album. Yeah, I was already to hate it, you know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: it's been Dave and everything in the Hall of Fame
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: was such a disaster, but I liked it, and I
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: like it more now than I did when it came out,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: So I can talk the old stuff, no problem. It's
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: just that I've got a soft spot for the Sami
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: era and I just think the guy can sing the
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Telephone Book and it would sound pretty good. I mean,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: and really, the proof is if you start listening to
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: the music that I talk about in this book. He
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: really did sing everything. He's done country, he's done straight
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: up pop, he's done almost metal, he's done yacht rock,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: he's done souls, R and B blues, you know. I mean,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit for that versatility.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: He's not a one trick pony. He's not just a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: guy that screams. You know.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Book Done Rock podcast will be back after this. Wow,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: We'll wait. Here we go the rapid fire section of
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: the interview. We finished out with here because I did
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: this with Martin pop Off for his Judas Priest book
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: and people really dug it. So here we go. Best
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Sammy Higar solo album. I know the answer, go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and Box three Lockbox most underrated Sammy album.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Just because it's a latter Day album, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's that whole thing about not being on a strong label.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say ten thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, most overrated Sammy album.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say boa yep.
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  Speaker 2: Best Sami Higgar solo song.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: Having said that, I'm going to say a song on
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Voa Swept Away.
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  Speaker 2: Swept Away, most underrated Sammy song.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. You know, it would kind of have to be
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: something that's either really old or or fairly more recent because.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: It's it's just an gorilla. Man, that's my new favorite
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: from Sammy. What's that Urban Gorilla?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Urban Gorilla is awesome. It's almost progue, but it's short,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: like a lot happens in a short amount the time
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: in that song. I'm gonna go, okay, I'm gonna go
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: with silver Lights from the first Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Great, So that's like the pre love Walks in Alien Abductions.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: That's the that's the face opera that never happened.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most overrated Sami song.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Oh Boy, getting into a tough territory.
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  Speaker 2: Here mas tequila.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, that's only really half a Sammy Hagar song. Anyways,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: let's go with that's that's a safe choice.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. If you were to introduce a new fan to
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: sam Hagar's catalog and this is like a young person
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty twenty one, which song would it be and why?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Well it might be a cliche. But if they don't
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: like I Can't Drive fifty five, they're not gonna like
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: anything else, you know what I mean? Like, there'd just
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: be no point of going any further. That's one case
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: where the person's most like it's like somebody is like, well,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: what is rat sound like? I play them round and round.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: It's their biggest sump. But it's that's what they sound like.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: And it's a song that's got it's gonna be a
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: song that they're gonna want more. And that's I go.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: I go with Cantrave fifty five, right.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: All right? Red on Black a listener's guy to Sammy
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Hagar out now, Amazon, all the usual places, and then
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: people can find you online. Talk about the YouTube show
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: that you've got.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Tim's Vinyl Confessions on YouTube. I've passed ten years of
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: doing this in September and just going to keep on
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: going I'm in the midst tied in with this book
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: of doing a deep dive series going through each of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: his solo albums. Eric guested on the very first two episodes,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: You Can Shine.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: I had the tough the first two albums I had to.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Tell you about. Yeah, no, no pressure. But yeah, we're
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: going through the entire catalog. So that's going to take
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: me into next year. But I've got videos every week.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: I've got three videos every week now, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I'm on X, Twitter, whatever you want to call it, Instagram, Facebook,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: all Tim's Vinyl Confessions. You can find me there, and
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: I am you know, I'm just gonna keep doing the episodes,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: doing put more content out. I'm You're probably gonna ask me,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm I've got a couple of book projects on
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the go as we speak.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but can you tell us you can't say.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Let me say, let me say this. The next book
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I'm working on is another panel book like My Wyant
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: in My Kansas, where I've got other people's you know,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to other people in it. And then the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: other one I'm working on is like this where it's
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: all me writing it.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: So hmm, Okay, I'm just trying to think of who
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: it might be. I can make some guesses, but I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just close to the vast yet I'm
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: not in promo mode.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Tim, Tim, thanks for being
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: on and congrats on a book that's I mean long,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: it's a long time coming. I don't know how a
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: book on Sammy has not been written on his solo catalog,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: his body of work, but finally he did it, and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: you did it justice.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you, awesome, thank you man. I appreciate it. I
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: appreciate you given me and and all other aspiring authors
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: are authors a chance to talk about their stuff on here,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: because I'm just you know, I'm self published. This is
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: not my main this is not my source of income.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: This is just a really fun thing that I've kind
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: of fallen into. I you know, somehow in the last
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: three years, I've now got four books. I don't know
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: how that happened, but yeah, is that cool? Man?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: That is so cool. You're like the Sammy Hagar of authors.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: You're working hard, you're plugging away, and you're trying trying.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: To trying to do trying to do good work. Man.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I really this is like all
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: my other books. I never found one like it, therefore
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: I had to write it. I guess I'd never seen
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: another one like it, so it's like, well, there should be.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: A book like this, Tim Dling, thanks man.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's it. It's in the books.