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Episode 216: The Tower (SG-A 2.15) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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I'm no do that again. No, okay, no, you're welcome.
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Just squstin. I don't want to know what you're gargling in. Maddie,
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drink some water, chum so chunky. You can curbet get into Gate episode
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two hundred and sixteen. We're talking Stargate Atlantis skinning the Gate. Teen that
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is currently here is Mitch Brendan and Maddie. Hello. Hello, we're here
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to talk the Tower, episode fifteen of season two of SGA. Now before
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we rip in with the old synopsis, Mattie, I remember you are three
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four five podcasts ago. It was a little while ago, and you're looking
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ahead for what was coming up. And I believe it was at the end
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of an actual podcast. It wasn't off Mike, and you were just talking
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about you know, one's coming out once, a bit excited about you,
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and I believe the quote was and a tower. We can probably skip that.
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Does that sound familiar or is that how you would talk A fantastic memory,
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Mitchell, Okay, So I remembered correctly because as it popped up on
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the screen the title of the episode because a hit play. Without even realizing
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what I was going into, and like the tower. Oh I believe this
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is supposed to be a not so great one, but let's let's find out
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because this is my first time. The team is introduced to the leader of
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a village who was able to protect the people that lived there from the raith.
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The Lord apparently that's him, discovers that Shepherd also possesses the ancient gene
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needed to protect the village. The Lord dead eyes that Shepherd should marry into
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the family and become his successor. Directed by Andy mcketa and written by Joe
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and Paul. It's not on Earth, but they sure as shit don't get
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off this and we don't see a stargates do we in this episode? No?
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I don't know, but we see many, many more SG one stargates
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next week. A writeing, Okay, don't to look forward to if you
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can, if you if your memories that good, Mitch. What I need
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you to do is just after you finished the every board, Yes, I
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think you'd go back and find remember remember the beautiful sound board that I used
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to have my phone so good? Yeah, just that just that one that
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had there was that bump bump buh buh wow wow. Yeah, the tower,
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I mean, for one the synopsis again. Can we just have the
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person who writes the snopsis for SG one write them for SGA because I feel
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like they're poor are written on SAA of the content? Yeah, they do.
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And this one says the Lord, which I'm assuming is the Lord Protector,
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that the actual boss, the old bloke that he discovers Shepherd is also
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possessed in the ancient gene. I'm like, now he doesn't. The Lord
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decides that Shepherd should marry well, I guess we never hear him say that,
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but the bald guy says that that's what the Lord had said, So
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okay, And you say, so is that is this a that's Harlan.
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I'm like, hang on a second, Jay, has he got range or
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what? And that was honestly my first thought as soon as the story him
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like in a wide shot and I was watching on my laptop, Jay Brazil
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Brazier, Brazier, I think I thinks pronounced Brazier. I'd like it to
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be yeah, or his nickname over shoulder boulder holder fair enough the b Yeah,
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I mean I definitely get what I thought. I remembered you saying when
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I was watching this, I'm like, yeah, this is this isn't so
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great first time watch. Um, so it'd be interesting. I think the
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fact there's been a couple that you guys have talked down ahead of time,
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and because I completely forgot about it, there you go. I can really
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forget about it until I see it in the in the booklet it says the
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tower, and I go, oh, see it's happily name because you remember.
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So you're like, oh, that's what I've been asking for. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, even though I didn't remember it. It's better than
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naming it Lord Protector or something like that, you know, yeah, or
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like um side quest anything so dumb. Yeah, but I think I've I've
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found that. I I'm just enjoying New Stargate. Uh. Content, Maddie,
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it's right. I didn't follow that word up with creator, so it's
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fine. Content still a bad It's but it's a thing though, right content
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creator, Definitely, It's just it's just it's an extra unnecessary could call it.
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You could just say you just say I'm glad to be watching New Stargate.
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You Stargate fresh, fresh star gates, so you don't need to add
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Stargate content. You're right now, you're right now. I probably don't like
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it's I have to put cists in front of you. Yeah. Oh,
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now now we're getting into it. But yeah, so I'm watching, I'm
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like, yeah, not great. I still you know, it was fine.
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It felt like a sort of season three, season two maybe episode of
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SG one type adventure, Like we go there, something's happened, and you
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know, we either get caught up or we get caught up trying to fix
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it or both or it kind of works well because if I've always sort of
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the way Atlantis goes is it it's almost like watching Stargate on fast forward,
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right, Yeah, Like we get through ten, Like there's ten seasons of
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VESU one, there's only five seasons of Atlantis. So in a way,
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it's like, well, we're in the back half of season two, so
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that's kind of the equivalent of like season four of SU one in a lot
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of ways. And it's like in the we just advanced quicker, and you
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know, there's there's less sort of waiting and building up and all that kind
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of stuff. There's no keeping of equilibrium going back to what it was at
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the pilot, because the first four years of SG one it was like we're
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out looking for technology but also we want the current concurrent viewers to not lose
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track of what's happening, so we wanted to be base on equalibrium. Back
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back to point one again, I guess, I guess in a way this
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this does have a single about eighth of a second throwaway line right at the
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end of the episode that I've always forgotten about that almost does help establish the
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equally room where Shepherd just goes, oh yeah, so we managed to get
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some a couple of drones and a couple of jumpers out of it. Nice.
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That's and I mean, we never hear about this episode every and the
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girl m well, what that's what did you fuck her? Like? What
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do we really think? Like? Because he says at the end he denied,
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actually, but I feel like he denied that. You said you'd never
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noticed it before. I got a clip and I if we play it,
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there's a part there that I obviously I don't remember, like I said,
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this episode, but there's definitely a line in it that I didn't remember about
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if these chambers are not to your liking, No, no, they're fine,
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Well, then maybe there's something I can do to me you are comfortable.
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I don't think so. Here we go. I'm an ultimately. Wow,
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my father has promised that if we are married, succession will fall to
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me. We need to talk, Colonel Shephard. Yes, seems that certain
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people around here are somehow gotten the wrong idea about me. Mark came to
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visit me last night. You must forgive her forward behavior, Colonel. Now,
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don't be sorry, baby, I shagged her. I shagged her.
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Rotten baby, Yeah, you didn't bat an eye. No, baby,
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she's ranted. I have many duties here in the tower, the most important
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of which is as a royal genealogist. She's the village's bicycle. Everyone's had
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a ride. Oh please miss that double standard in this room. Just ridiculous,
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Maddie with us to fix that. Okay, try not to laugh at
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that, Jesus, I know, but I think what I love about that,
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you're just keeping it fresh, because whenever you do make something, you
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don't deny it. You just let it play. This one didn't know.
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I haven't. I haven't, I haven't tampered with this. And I'm like,
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oh yeah, And then when you went from what one scene to another
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very quickly, I'm all right if we're getting it as a montage, it's
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going to sound really all it. Then Austin comes in. I'm like,
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hey, there we go. He got me again. He got me brilliant.
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She was really fun that that character was Petra, right, sure?
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I thought he said it's like Mara. That's I'm yeah, I'm just on
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the IMDBN now it is there Mara. Just because there's a character named Petra.
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I don't know who. Maybe she was the poor woman in the Petrified
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just her name is Anna Coma so she CEU double Mr Jesus so yeah,
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and her brother Chum. I guess, isn't editing that we've done. That
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was a cold open. I'm just trying. I'm just trying to look up.
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I probably actually do like this episode. It's fine, it's not bad.
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Like I like the idea. I like the idea that there's another Atlantis
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out there that yeah, and they never talk about it again, which is
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so weird. Basically another Atlantis and there's such a big deal made about Atlantis
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leaving Earth. Where did this one come from? They assume they just built
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it while they were here. But then the stargates, the stargates not in
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it like it is in Atlantis. The Stargates but they might all because they
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moved the chair, true, but then they also moved the dining table,
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so they've got in the entire city of atlantist people are living in. Right
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when we first meet Comtrayer, he goes in and sits in his chair,
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right, and that's the main greeting room, and it's a big open space.
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And then when they have their big disgusting growth dinner later on, where're
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all just like being pigs. They're in the same room because his chairs in
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the background. So they've got the entire city of Atlantis. But they think
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the most opulent they can do is at some point, like eight guys had
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to lift up the biggest, heaviest timber table in like an anti room and
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like bring it in, like don't scrape the flaws, you know, as
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they're bringing and set it all up. And I'm like, that's bringing the
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piano boys. That's not opulence, And you know, I was just look,
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yeah, that's this is the other weird thing about this episode, because
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yeah, that that Mara Chick. This episode was done in two thousand and
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five. Flash forward to two thousand and six through two thousand and nine.
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She's playing a teenage girl named Hillary on kyle x Y. Yeah you can
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kind of. Yeah, I can see that because she does look very a
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little biticky. Yeah, she looks just old enough to be cracking on a
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shepherd and not be weird. But she still looks young and maybe to play
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a teenager on TV. You know, Um, I found it weird.
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I think it's it's you can't I didn't. Yeah, he didn't find it
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weird enough. That is straight. You've you can't have both. You can't
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have someone look just young enough and also act in a nice way, naive
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enough or to not be so nice dumb enough like that when she was so
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ditzy and looked so young. Yeah that too. And right at the end
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there where she came into the room to ship is like, oh my god,
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I didn't mean for this to happen. And the brothers like, okay,
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drop up the act, and I thought, oh shit, this is
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where she's going to go. Well you played your part, thank you,
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John, And she didn't. She still kept up. But maybe I can
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talk to someone blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, so who's no
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that is you? But you're just benefiting, like literally, whoever's telling you
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what to do you're listening to them that I don't think she realized she was
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going to die. Yeah, not to use a triggering word for you too,
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but it's like, I feel like I wish she'd been a little bit
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more valor in that, Like she was in the cot, she was in
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on the con. Yeah, she was actually the It would have been really
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funny if she was actually the smartest, most conniving one the entire tower.
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Yeah. Well, see, I was a bit thrown at the end because
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again, they as soon as you see the brother, you're like, okay,
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there's the bad guy. And I think he was like, oh,
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there's a British guy with the bald head guy. Well yeah, I think
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when he first showed up you were like that because he was sort of like
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no, no, no, no, don't don't do that to him.
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And he's a guest and I'll take you and no, you're not a prisoner,
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and okay, you're the you know, the wolf in sheep's clothing sort
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of thing. But then you meet the brother and I'm like, oh,
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okay, no, we're supposed to be looking at the bald English guy.
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But then the brothers he's too obvious as well, and he's the only one
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not showing any concern, and well, well, Shepherd going to notice that
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he's the only one not making any concern, and he didn't. And then
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the brothers like, I'm clearing his throat and I'm like, okay, now
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you're drawing too much attention. So are you you You're you're at that point
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where you don't care whether anyone knows that you don't give a shit about your
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dad or is it this the this the tea the filmmakers going no, we
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need you to really really look guilty. And then come the end, I
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thought they were trying to tell us no, it was it was the bald
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guy all along and the Sun just hasn't given a shit. But then they're
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like no, no, no, because but then the Sun's like, no,
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it wasn't me. Look at him. He's the science guy. But
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it was like, no, he's the science guy who came up with it.
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But I'm definitely in on it because I'm going to So it was sort
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of a bit everybody, and it would have been fun had maybe the daughter
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have been in on something, and that everyone was sort of doing their own
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thing on their own agenda. And then SGA show up and it just fastens
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the process, rather than poisonous guy every night for six months, even though
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he ended up dying because of that when we were there, it would have
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been so much better of us being there helping was actually what sped up the
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process of murdering this guy or something. Me the first time watching premise for
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me is really interesting, but I just think the execution was a little bit
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off. The bit that I found the most interesting was that real hard snap
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cut from like McKay ron and Tayla sitting in like the poor village, like
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sharing their meager you know what they had to offer up, and then that
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snap cut to the feast and everyone just gorging themselves, like all the rich
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people in the tower. I'm like, I almost would have loved maybe them
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to lean into a little more of that the haves versus the have nots,
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and then maybe drawn a parallel between like the Atlantis team, like US us
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as as humans living or Atlantis in this giant technological city and then there's all
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these people living out in villages hiding from the Wraith. Almost would and maybe
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given Atlantis a little more motivation to sort of help people more or you know,
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not yeah, you know, maybe step away a little bit from the
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hunting for a ZEPM, hunting for ZEPM, hunting for zim. It's like,
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well, we actually have we're seeing in the lap of especially now that
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we've made contact with Earth. We've got the deadalists doing supply runs back and
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forth. Sweet, we're sweet. Pretty like like we a is calling up
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Earth once a month to send through a status report that kind of stuff.
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It's like, we're good. Now, let's help people that are out there
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that are suffering from the right. I think that would work more to what
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you because we work them up. Yeah, yeah, exactly that you guys
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are saying that, you know, this is just you know, repeating a
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lot of the same sort of points that we've seen an SG one, whether
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it was back in season two or the fast forward type thing you were saying
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Maddie about. You know, we're idea up to season four of SG one
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that hey, here's something you've seen before, but let's look at it with
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fresh eyes. By Hey, we're in Atlantis, We've got this most amazing
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thing, and then we can also maybe help people along the way with what
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usaid Brennan, we are the ones to wake them up. We cause it.
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We didn't cause the gould in SG one, we were visited by them
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and got drawn into this war, whereas SGA helped bring this back to the
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Pegasus galaxy. So yeah, it would have been nice to have touched on
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something a little bit. See more. Going back to what you're talking about
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with the bold guy, I thought he was good because he didn't I mean,
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he didn't have any option but to kind of go with the redhead guy.
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And I thought the main turning point was when Beckett actually gave him the
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gene, but wasn't wasn't the redheaded guy like he's the sun, he was
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the heir anyway like he was. Yeah, I feel like it was due
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to go in anyway. And wasn't the bald guy trying to put the daughter
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like if the daughter got married, she would be the one too. Yeah,
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I feel like he was hedging his bets, but he didn't go full
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dark side until he gained the gene. I feel yeah. I mean I
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guess that he really didn't need it either of these spoiled little brats, and
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he could rule that wasn't obvious, but it was like, hang on,
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Beckett gave it to him so he can what synthesize it for the whole village,
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which wouldn't have happened. Yeah, you don't need to give me aids
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for me to try and cure it. Like but like we didn't see him
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take it or anything, but I assumed he took it because he got in
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the chair. So yeah, I think he was kind of hedging his bets
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because he was going to go with the redhead guy if the king died.
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But if he gave it to if the king or lordship whatever he is,
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gave gave it to the daughter, then he could marry her and be Yeah,
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I think that was Yeah, that was the plan. But yeah,
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it was just very it was a little bit muddled. I didn't I liked
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it that they were a bit odd, like they were eating strangely, because
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it gave gave them the opportunity to say, these guys have no idea what
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they're doing because they they don't have the gene. They're all inbred fox.
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Yeah, their dynasties ending and they're struggling to hold onto it. So they're
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kind of working against each other completely and they've kind of a bored into the
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muddled up confusion at the end. So how does that work? But like
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he said that it got it was getting watered down basically, like that John
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is the strongest as far as these genes go then they've seen in three or
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four hundred years or whatever. Yeah, how does that work? Like if
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they are really going to an effort of breathing people that can strengthen that part
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of their genealogy. Whereas back on Earth, you know, John's ancestors,
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they're just going to anyone, you know, Okay, they might come across
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someone else, because we know there's plenty people out there that have got this
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gene we've just never known to look for it before season seven of SG one.
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That like, the chances are that after as long of a time,
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far far, far far longer of a time, that Shepherd's genes are still
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stronger than these people that have actually been trying to make it work better.
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Yeah, I guess in my brain it was always like, well, the
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city probably wasn't full, Like obviously when the ancients abandoned Atlantis and went back
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to Earth, like there was hundreds, maybe thousands of them that all went
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back and then over the like you know, they've slowly bread and the genes
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have spread through all the descendants. In my mind, it was like,
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well, imagine, imagine if Atlantis now with like our our group on it,
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and we didn't have the ATA gene therapy. Imagine if Shepherd was the
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only one with that gene naturally, and then fast forward a thousand years and
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it's like, well, only his descendants are going to have it. No
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one else had. So occasionally where you know, a second cousin, a
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second cousin, and then something probably might have a throwback to that gene or
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something like that, but eventually it's just it's just slowly, you know,
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read too thin between between yeah, because you would have to to keep that
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gene, but then yeah, inbreeding ruins it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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So um, yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot
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to try and tackle in forty four minutes. But it did also feel like
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just the most Star Trek episode ever, Like it's it's you know, our
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team like flying on their spaceship, encounters the planet of like people in like
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renaissance clothing with harpsichords playing round in a you know, in a a in
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a set that already exists for the show that they can just redress. Yeah,
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yeah, like it very much felt like an original series, um episode
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of television. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, And I found myself thinking
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as soon as it open up, like we fade from black and I'm like,
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okay, we're in a village again, same village, and that same
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score plays. It's not even like it's pretending to be music in the village.
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It's just the same score that plays when we go to a civilization as
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quote unquite primitive as these guys. And then even the main guy that wore
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sinnegay, Sorry I'm so late harvest, am I right? And I'm like,
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have you got ship on your face? Like? Why is everyone feelthy?
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Like what are you even doing? Like they're picking tomatoes and ship?
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But everyone he just broke out of prison. They all looked like they've just
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come from from the mines. They've all got the black lung. You know
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that guy, that Eldred guy, he's been in SG one before, he
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was in the Hidden Prisoners. He was one of the scavengers, that creepy
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dude who you know, m I think his legs got cut off. And
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then see the one that I picked up was the comfortable guy, the big
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tall guy that Ronan slid his throat. That was Mozelle. That was he
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was the remember the big guy from like he was a Jaffa. Yeah,
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he was in Death guy was the one that had his nipple out at the
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brief and then he was also the Thor hologram. He's the original season one.
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Yeah, ye see this um he was. He was also spellman in
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fail Safe. This other guy what's his name? Then forgot to look he's
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just yeah, I didn't a Canadian actor. He just looked familiar for me.
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I'm not hang on, but he's aged obviously it's been ten years.
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Yeah, I suppose, yeah, him back. They bought come try back.
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They brought Zel back. That's yeah, that's pretty good. I feel
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like the episode was kind of written like you know back in the back in
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like the forties and the fifties where there was like those old sci fi novels
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like the books that will come out that were sort of they were like a
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monthly thing he'd read. And the way those would work is like you know,
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an artist would just like hand a writer a picture. They drew a
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picture of something sci fi, like you know, a woman getting taken by
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this giant lizard alien order and then it was the writer's job to write a
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story based on that one picture that they are going to put in the book.
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I feel like this was like someone gave the writers a picture of like
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the tower of Atlantis coming out of the ground covered in vines, which is
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a really cool image, and then this is what they came up with,
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and it's like, oh, yeah, it's a writer's a story that doesn't
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affect anything before or after, and let you go. I said, we
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had the jumper, and we have a lot more of the drones. But
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it's like, yeah, they also just you know, we had to jumper
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last week or last episode of Atlantis that is now at the bottom of the
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ocean. Now we've just replaced it, so top of our shuttles, didn't
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he say they ran out of power? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. They
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were all covered in cobwebs and that kind of stuff, which is surely they
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can just like shave the top of a z z PM and just whacking in
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the engine right like just power. Well yeah, it's like, well how
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old are they because it's like I guess, I mean, Atlantis was under
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the ocean essentially in like a vacuum seal, so everything was you know,
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weird weird put our cumsheets over everything, so so there wasn't any dust and
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that kind of stuff. So our our puddle jumpers when we got there were
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all nice and clean, even though they were over ten thousand years old.
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So you've got to think, well, this, this place has got to
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be over ten thousand years old. But I guess, yeah, when it's
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half like when the Earth is basically you know, formed around it, like
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forests and stuff have formed around this this city, this ship, Yeah,
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I guess it makes sense that they're be you know, dust and all that
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kind of shit. But how much older than Atlantis? Could it be that
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the puddle jumpers weren't working but ours were? Yeah? Well, I mean
23:11
that's what I was trying to just figure out. We talk about SG one.
23:14
The humans in the Milky Way were brought there by the goal I would
23:18
shipped them as slaves. That's the whole premise of this of Stargate. The
23:22
humans like not on Earth, like the ones around Sorry, yeah, the
23:25
humans in the Gate the Milk and Galaxy that aren't on Earth. Yeah,
23:29
So but what about this? What about Pegasus? Because obviously, according to
23:33
the Atlantis pilot, it was what several million years ago the Atlantis left left
23:40
Earth, left Earth to Pegasus. Yeah, so it was in Pegasus for
23:45
several million years and then ten thousand years ago they left. Yeah, so
23:49
it's millions of years old, that's what they're saying, Atlantis. Oh yeah,
23:55
true. And then while they're in that galaxy, they're god knows how
23:59
long, you know, but obviously between several million years and ten thousand years
24:03
they've built another city. But in saying that, like, going back to
24:07
the genealogy, where did the humans come from? Was it? Did they
24:10
even mention that was it the wraith farming them? Again? Didn't the hologram
24:15
lady in Rising say, like, and they seated the galaxy with life right
24:22
like they did on it. Yeah. So whether that means it's ancients just
24:26
begin and leaving people on planets, or whether they're like it's a second evolution,
24:30
yeah yeah to the tari Yeah yeah, Okay, we should explain,
24:36
you know, why these people like us have the A tag naturally, and
24:41
though it's probably the is it the first time or the first time we're aware
24:44
of that. It's like someone from the Pegasus galaxy has the aten Like we
24:48
haven't really in not that we encountered that much ancient technology that needs activating in
24:55
that way. But I feel like throughout all of Atlantis, I can I
24:57
can't really remember a lot of times where we talk about like do any of
25:02
the Ethosians have the ACA gen? You know, we don't, Taylor doesn't.
25:06
Taylor has more wraith DNA. Yeah, And did they offer her the
25:11
gene therapy? Was? I know it doesn't take with everybody, but did
25:15
she ever does it have offered to her? Did she ever take it?
25:17
Did she ever? Not that I recall, Yeah, Yeah, it's not
25:19
something that's um that's explored very much. I guess, well, they don't
25:23
want to give it to aliens maybe, I mean, if they're going to
25:26
put Taylor on the front line team and her village is you know, the
25:30
only way that her villagers can get off world is to come to Atlantis and
25:33
go, you know, go through our gate. So um, yeah,
25:37
it's strange that we've never it's kind of just is now. Yeah, and
25:45
how we've talked about in the past that like you know, SGA is kind
25:49
of is the upgraded version of SG one where we've got obviously more aliens on
25:55
the team, only by one, but still like that everyone could just have,
25:57
you know, that hate everyone just Jean everywhere. Well, I'm sure,
26:03
yeah, yes, the asterix, No, yes, spoiler. There's
26:11
not really spoilers, is it. She's just very rare that I get to
26:15
say that one of our aliens that you mentioned it before, Maddie. Ronan,
26:21
we you know, we made a point last Atlantis episode that he did
26:25
not have a part in it. Neither of the brown people in the STA
26:30
team made the cut for the Approach. Brown people stayed in the poor village
26:34
this time. Was there end? Was there any non white people in the
26:40
tower at all? I don't remember any. I'm not, I cannot,
26:44
I don't. I mean that. You know, they're they're casting from Vancouver,
26:48
so they've they've got that, and they've got that one lady. They've
26:52
got that one Indian lady that doesn't speak with an Indian accident. They give
26:56
it Indian accent too. From a couple of weeks ago, or Ronan came
26:59
back and it was like he'd had all that pent up anger from from last
27:02
week that he didn't get to use. Like I love that he you know,
27:04
was the vigilante there and he was watching you know, people with misplaced
27:10
authority, you know, cart shit on these people that were giving them more
27:15
than they could give and all for the sake of some undeserved you know,
27:22
praise and and and sacrifices that they were making. And then he decides,
27:26
well what was it? Like he went from you know, nought to one
27:29
hundred very quickly. Oh yea where it was like, oh, I'm gonna
27:33
I'll be I'll be slapping you for this time. Like no, He's like,
27:36
maybe there's another weird that I can show you that I'm the boss.
27:38
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa to the Lord. They went straight
27:41
to Lord. Um she paid in for she didn't have that many potatos,
27:48
but she sucks a mean dude. Oh well that's fun. I mean the
27:53
Lord Protector couldn't get a heart on at this point anyway, So wouldn't he
27:56
would have gone to the Sun or the chilling the bald guy. But like,
28:03
and I thought it was very much doing it for like you know PG.
28:06
Thirteen type TV audience where he's just gonna like take them to end because
28:11
they're the authority there, Like we had some problems with them before. But
28:15
it's like, you know, some some push and shoves of the stuff,
28:18
and then all of a sudden he's just throwing guys to the ground. I'm
28:21
like okay. And then the final guy, the big guy, comes at
28:23
him and he just fulled, like you said, goes for the juggular and
28:26
slices him open. I'm like, many escalated, quickly kill the guy from
28:33
Taylor gets in the phone. It's like, um, road and killed the
28:36
guy and he's wearing a badge like we're in trouble and if we're gonna make
28:41
this about like, okay, so not to guy. Um so it looks
28:48
like the brown people here killed the white policeman. Um, there's a good
28:52
reason though, corrupts. No, no one's gonna listen to us. We
28:56
need to get the office planet. Um So yeah, it was like not
29:00
that everything was going swimmingly up until that point. But he's Ronan just like
29:03
for an episode and a half, completely sidelined. And then she's like this,
29:07
I'm killing someone. And then and then his only other moment of note
29:11
in this episode is that weird homophobic moment where he doesn't want to hold hands
29:17
at the dinner table and I'm like, well that makes sense. I mean
29:19
Robert Cooper homophobe, and we know for a fact that he created Rodan's who
29:25
that would have been his note would have been like, now, Roland wouldn't
29:27
be tough, he wouldn't hold hands with McKay. Two men can't hold hands
29:32
on TV. He just he just fisted him. He's absolutely fisty and then
29:36
like, sorry, sorry, what do you mean by that? What do
29:38
you mean by that? That means though, you know what that means.
29:41
He's going to hold his fist up and then mckey's going to grab and like,
29:42
oh, that's what you mean by fisting. Okay, all right,
29:47
no worries, we'll do that Coop. Hey. Um a fun one for
29:52
Brendan. Oh yeah, his favorite character. The weird scene right at the
29:56
end that was that was unnecessary. That wasn't necessary because the episode was short,
30:02
so they wrote that as an extra. What was she doing with her
30:04
obo? She's just I didn't get to fix anything this week. I'm always
30:10
wanting to solve stuff. Not in the synopsis. Um, I do I
30:15
do have. I do have some audio. I can't remember what it's for,
30:18
but it's something to do with the ending, and it's from the audio
30:22
commentary I'm doing a great set up job here. I love it. I
30:25
think it's only something to do with with the I think there was a there
30:30
was a conversation about whether or not, like did Shepherd actually kill that guy
30:37
at the end or did he technically kill himself kind of thing with the poison
30:40
on the blade and all that kind of stuff, because obviously, like Shepherd
30:44
sliced him with it, not knowing that the poison's on there. Yeah,
30:48
the but indirectly killed himself. Yeah, yeah, So I think it's something
30:52
to do with that. This is a tricky moment for me as a raider
30:53
because this is this is kind of a cheat. I mean, this is
30:57
something that they do in Hollywood all the time when you don't want your good
31:00
guy to be to be killing people necessarily. I mean, we have seen
31:04
our good guys kill people, but in this particular case, the bad guy
31:08
kind of kills himself. And you know, I generally don't like doing stuff
31:14
like that, but in this case it seemed to work. And because of
31:15
the whole poison element, Yeah, it's sort of tied in. I think
31:19
it worked fine. I'm always super critical of that when I see that,
31:22
and in other episodes, what I allowed myself to get away with it in
31:26
this case. Oh my god, I was actually I liked that it Actually
31:33
it kind of added another layer to that character that even though he'd assumed that
31:37
position, he was always carrying not only a blade. It wasn't enough to
31:42
cut someone, to stab someone, maybe kill them with the knife, but
31:45
he had to just make it sure that even if he just gave him a
31:48
little nick, it had given them the poisoned dart. And I'm oh,
31:52
I like that. But then yeah, that maybe I guess what he's seen
31:55
the pointing out, but I'd love how he goes. I hate that I
31:57
judge it so harshly whenever I see it, But it just felt like mine.
32:01
It worked all the pieces they couldn't survive. Yeah, Um, and
32:07
the village we see at the start, they did a really good job of
32:12
like shooting that differently. That's the Sodan village, okay, but they just
32:16
kind of shot it reverse and so you didn't see like Hikon's building and the
32:22
big circle where we like had the showdown with the prior and all that kind
32:24
of stuff. Yeah, it's just different shots of the of the Sodian village.
32:27
And I feel like any really anytime they were outside of a heart or
32:30
anything, and especially that establishing shot there was all it was. It was
32:34
shooting down a lot, Whereas in the Sodan, I felt like we were
32:37
looking up a lot, like at the temple or anything like that. We
32:39
were looking up at the heel and things like that. So and it made
32:43
that place feel bigger, grander, more important because of these mysterious, you
32:46
know, warriors that have been missing for so long. Whereas this it was
32:50
like, no, these guys are nothing, and we're looking well, I
32:53
reckon. I mean, you can't really tell, but I reckon if we
32:55
looked close enough, I wouldn't be surprised if like the little hut that McKay
33:00
and Ronan and Taylor were having dinner in could possibly have been even in like
33:05
the same one that Cam woke up in after he got captured by the Sadan
33:08
and was like in his little in his little room there. So just probably
33:12
just a redress of that same same set potentially, Yeah, which is pretty
33:15
impressive. They're doing pretty well because it's nice too in terms of production value
33:20
that all they have to do is redress the Atlanta set and then they're on
33:22
a new planet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was good for them
33:24
and for me, like again watching it the first time, not knowing anything
33:28
that hey, the tower looks similar. When then when he's in there and
33:30
he's like this looks pretty familiar, I'm like, holy shit. Yeah,
33:32
they're just redressed that room. Yeah they moved that chair. Yeah, the
33:37
gate is and but it just really sold what they were trying to sell us,
33:42
that this is a copy of this amazing place that we didn't believe he
33:45
existed. We found it. It's it's unique, it's incredible. On no,
33:50
hang on, there's another one out there. And then when they do
33:52
the schematics and all that, and it's like, hang on, no,
33:53
it's as big, it's just underground. And yeah, you guys took it
33:55
like why do they do it? How long has it been there? And
33:58
it's like, yeah, did they Was that their next step? Maybe?
34:00
Were they going to put this on you know, any number of different planets,
34:05
like far enough away from each other they could have almost like this network
34:07
of protected planets out there. It was that going to be their next stage,
34:13
and then they decided to fuck off back to it. Yeah, I
34:15
mean, I mean really, it's to me, it's it makes more sense
34:17
than like putting stargates everywhere, because it's like, well, if you get
34:20
to a planet, you're just stuck with whatever's there, Whereas like these big
34:23
Atlantis, it's it's a city ship. So it's like you can just go
34:28
and fly and just landed on a planet. Yeah, and you have a
34:30
whole city there, like just a whole civilization on a planet, and you
34:34
can cook off whenever you want. Like Atlantis, you can have to stargate
34:37
inside it. Maybe you want to buy a caravan, Maddie, and the
34:43
ancients are just like the ultimate gray No. Yeah. The proofs in the
34:45
fact that these higher ups seemingly never leave right, Like they don't leave their
34:52
tower. They've never had to. I'm sitting there going, how do you
34:55
like it's just artificially, is that what we're supposed to leave? As far
34:58
as Atlantis goes, So everything in it's like artificial, you know, uv
35:00
sort of situation, Like these guys never go outsides. They're never getting some
35:05
light, sort of fresh everything sort of filtered window and there's shoon balconies and
35:10
windows that we see. I guess, yeah, I guess we're supposed to
35:13
like in them, But I guess we see we are out there. You
35:15
gonna sulking like we do at the end? Or stop? She was a
35:19
little bit, Yeah, she was sicking. She's like, no when I
35:21
got the girl, oh you did yeh and knocked it back. Tell me
35:24
more about the girl that's slut. No one said anything. Don't you jealous?
35:34
I have a feeling I have a dried up old prune at home.
35:37
Jesus, I have a feeling there's gonna be atle to go up for juice.
35:40
When are you gonna dried prune? Right? Sorry? Fresh apple juice?
35:45
No? Thanks? I crama. I don't even know what that means.
35:54
Oh, if you know, you know apple juice? Gonna do with
35:58
it? Does he like? Does he wanted to helish apple juice? I
36:02
think there'll be a lot of weird chat terry soda next week? Papa can
36:08
the cherry the long goodbye? So we leaves next week? Is that what
36:12
you mean? No? No, yeah, that's fine, doesn't matter.
36:15
We'll talk about it. Then. Let's talk about it. So many times
36:17
I can restart the exact same sentence over and over like I do every Why
36:23
didn't they take the puddle jumper into the building? Always in flying to the
36:29
roof for what reason to get chaptered back? Oh, it is in the
36:34
team come back to Atlantis, cloak a puddle jumper, and then open the
36:38
roof. None of them can fly. We'll get someone who can. But
36:42
then they'd have to go back and kept a weir so to do that was
36:45
hang on. The gate wasn't in space, right, because that's how Beckett
36:49
came back. I thought it was. Didn't Didn't the episode start with them
36:52
in space with them just walking on the planet, Paul, the gate wasn't
36:55
in it true, which which is even weirder. Then if like there's a
37:01
whole Atlantic city there, but then the gate isn't in the gate room.
37:07
Yeah, well they were, Like I said, they probably moved it out
37:08
once they didn't know how to use it, or once peasants had to use
37:14
it. But they wouldn't know how to set it up like the the people
37:19
living inside the tower wouldn't know that I either know what it is or not
37:22
know what it is. They're not if they don't know what it is,
37:24
they're not just going to go and set it up somewhere. They're just gonna
37:29
dump it in the back room. And if you think about it, the
37:31
one, the one in Atlantis is half semi set into the floor. Yeah,
37:37
so you'd have to do some majors construction against resting up against a really
37:42
big tree. If we stand up, we got no way to just so.
37:46
Yes, that I guess that was just my assumption that there was a
37:49
space gate. You don't see any maups in Atlantis. Well, I feel
37:52
like the puddle jumper in Away is the moup. I suppose, yeah,
38:00
especially if they're gonna Yeah true, That's what I always thought it would be
38:04
better to have like stargates with webcams built into them, you know, like
38:08
your laptop has so you can just dial in and then you have a screen
38:14
on the DHD that shows you what's there and the telemetry and stuff. Yeah,
38:16
i'd be way sweet, very cool. Yeah. Yeah, well I
38:21
suppose we did see like they've got the big weird six six wheeled armored malps
38:25
like when they when we first came into Atlantis. Yeah, but yeah,
38:29
you absolutely never see us. You don't you see Scar look at this sending
38:31
at the h remotely send back the malp. Never see that. Yeah,
38:37
true. I guess they would go through a lot if there was heaps of
38:39
space kates, yes, and they'd lose it. But then it's like,
38:42
yeah, you're right, how do they know, Like whenever the whenever the
38:46
puddle jumper goes through a space kate, it's it's at pace. Yeah,
38:50
So it's like, how do they know that it's a space gate unless it's
38:53
the ancient database is telling them whether it's a land gate or US that's probably
38:59
what it is, yeah, because they need those kind of but it's also
39:02
ten thousand year old intel. Yeah that's true. Yeah, you think you're
39:07
at least at least Yeah. I have like a little golf ball sized webcam
39:10
you literally just throw through the event horizon and see what happens to it on
39:14
the other side. I just like the idea that there is there is a
39:16
light on the desk Atlantis that lights up red or green depending on whether it's
39:22
a space gate or a landgate. But the guy sitting at the desk is
39:25
like me, and he's color blind. He can't tell the difference. Definitely
39:30
landgate. Yeah, yeah, walk straight through. They just sit a floating
39:36
through. We lost another team they should have done. Yeah, Yeah,
39:40
that would be cool. That's at least the very first time, like Colonel
39:44
Sumner could have been that's how he does. Yeah, his old mate comes
39:50
through at the end of season one, is like you killed him and they
39:52
just look at the desk guy and he's like, it was a mistake.
39:57
You talk about the way that the episode, because I think the first line
40:00
we had was was Rodney going, Okay, these guys don't have anything to
40:04
trade, and if they did, it'll be, you know, be a
40:06
couple of apples or whatever. And he's bitching and moaning, and it really
40:08
set him up for a bitchy and mony episode because my fucking guy that he
40:13
wins And I'm like, mate, last week, you nearly died, You
40:17
nearly sacrifice other members of your team that were sacrificing technology as well to come
40:22
down only to maybe rescue you because it was an impossible mission. That racist
40:28
guy killed himself so that you'd ever better. And you come up and it's
40:32
like, you have appreciated nothing. You're not more thankful that you're alive,
40:36
that the efforts that everyone else goes to you. Because like even when Taylor
40:39
buzzed through and said, hey, where are you? You know, have
40:43
you have you got this? And he's like, oh, oh, of
40:45
course you'll be. We're worried about this, not about me. I'd but
40:46
stuck going to go and he went on. She's like, yeah, the
40:50
good thing was she said ZPM and he's like, z it was so quick,
40:53
and I'm like, we need that on the board. Have you got
40:57
a ZPM? No, there's no z PM here, Taylor. Yeah.
41:01
No, Like McKay does have the most character growth out of everybody, but
41:06
he says it for his next episode, like where He's the Star. That's
41:09
when you'll see the character growth from Grace on the pressure. He does grow
41:14
the most, but he doesn't grow that much. No, he grows from
41:17
a complete piece of shit to a barely like decent person, like someone that
41:22
you don't want to punch in the face. So it's you know, but
41:24
I'll say he's my favorite character. It's kind of weird. Yeah, I'd
41:30
hate to be around him, but oh absolutely, I enjoy watching it on
41:34
television. I don't. It's been a little bit of a running theme for
41:37
us the last few weeks. I've been putting into you guys. Whoever,
41:39
it's like adding trivia and bits and potential goods to the to like all these
41:45
episodes and stuff like that. I don't think they understand how TV works.
41:50
So one of them they're like, so, there's there's one point where like
41:53
McKay's in the catacombs with the other guy and like they reach an impass where
41:59
they can't do something, and the camera turns to McKay and it's like the
42:02
act breaker like pushes in and has the dramatic music and the goof like trivia
42:07
thing. But is during this moment at twenty seven minutes and twenty six seconds,
42:12
you can see a crew member walking behind McKay in the background, And
42:15
I thought when I read I read that before I saw the episodes, I
42:17
was like, oh, maybe it'll be someone in the corner in jeans or
42:20
something like that. No, No, it's just the other guy in the
42:22
scene. Like the native guy literally takes up the entire screen walking behind him
42:28
and some nuft. He thinks that's a crew memer like what you'll notice the
42:35
crew members dressed very similar to the other act Yes, and he's wearing a
42:38
face mask where he looks exactly like the other guy. These are the same
42:43
advisors for Stargate origins. Yeah, absolutely, all right, that's episode two
42:52
hundred and sixteen. I'll get into Gates next week. We are back for
42:55
some Stargate SG one action. We are talking off the grid whatever that means.
43:04
I don't know. I haven't seen this a lot. Remember off the
43:07
grid? Oh yeah, and also some of those weird, weird titles as
43:10
weird titles of talking about if you'd like a tower in your pants, oh
43:16
join our patriarch. And in fairness, if we're not giving you that every
43:19
week, I mean the tower of content that's well done, could we give
43:27
you for the ccs A few content creators out there. I thought you mean
43:30
the chip that got me excited and then you've ruined. Sorry. I think
43:34
there's some of the kitchen. Actually we should get some after this. Doritos
43:38
Deritos, the poor man ccs. Come on, it isn't absolutelys a cheaper
43:45
dude, Yeah, but they're better. They're superior, supperior to Doritos.
43:51
Doritos can get I disagree. I think I also in this very building.
43:57
I came in ten years ago, and I came in a show and a
44:00
sombrero. Probably not the best thing to do, but I did. I
44:02
did a blind tasting because I had a bowl of Doritos and a bowl of
44:07
CCS. That was a blind taste, and every single person preferred the CCS,
44:10
even though they all said they were Doritos people. All right, yeah,
44:14
and change your life. That's it from now on. The blind test.
44:17
I did a blind test with Doritos, c Sason Coals and it was
44:23
my daughter's idea. And we also chose the Coals lines oh really yeah yeah
44:27
wow, which wasn't great because I'm like, I'm Doritos man. Depends on
44:30
the flavor, depends like original is kind of here or there with anyone.
44:35
But if you looked like the Cheese Supreme, yeah yeah sure, yeah,
44:39
no, the red bag SECAs are the way to go. Yeah yeah,
44:42
their peak ali ones are pretty good too. That wasn't in our taste test,
44:46
so I can't and nor was that an ad for any three of the
44:52
sponsors. That could have been because we covered a lot of ground there,
44:54
great people. I would I would, I would love we come on a
45:00
hey, getting a gate brought to you by CCS, like and then and
45:04
then you sit there and I mean, I'm doing this with some pretzels and
45:07
you said, brought to you both seasons these pretzels are making these pretzels are
45:12
making me feel like some ccs and then just think we could get we could
45:15
get themed ones. Like one of my favorite like bits of like vision is
45:20
when I think it was maybe for Avengers Age of Ultron, where like all
45:23
the Avengers got their own bags of of I think it might have been Doritos.
45:27
Yeah, there Doritos, mate, they can pay the money. Yeah,
45:30
they gave the Wonder one of Chris Hemsworth one of Chris Evans, and
45:34
like I forget which one it was. You know, they were picking out
45:36
the bag that had the other character and he goes, oh, this is
45:37
exactly what I thought you'd taste like as they're eating again, it's it's one
45:42
of the best things ever thought. I should have said, I prefer ccs
45:45
because they're Australian. Oh, they I believe. So Doritos are very American,
45:51
very American. M hmm. See, we don't have to be patriotic
45:55
on this show. That's why Brendan and I would just be honest. Yeah
45:58
for Doritos. Although it's been a minute, he's had some ccs, So
46:01
you know what, gown I will try. I'll try them all. There's
46:07
body, this body's underfraid of shoving some shit in it. Give it to
46:14
me. See, that's it all right. We'll be back next week to
46:17
talk some SG one and I mean, if we can somehow get some more
46:21
corn chip chat and there, I'll be very impressed. But otherwise that's set
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off the grid. It's coming episode two hundred and seventy. Let's g get
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something. Yeah, but if they're De Rito's, then Brennan, you can
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sit there. I've got microwave popcorn in my bag. Let's pop that.
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Okay, Okay, you're a popcorn hole. Hey, Get into Geek,
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