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Will SGA complete the Perfect Season? Game 7 Predictions! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode number
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Speaker 1: one thirteen of the so called sports Analyst. Josh. How
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Speaker 1: you doing I'm doing good.
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Speaker 2: You know it's another day. Basketball is in its last game. Man,
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Speaker 2: it's not. It's a little bit painful to say, but
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Speaker 2: you know we're here. One of the best seasons of
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Speaker 2: all time. MVP race that between Nicola Yokis and SGA,
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Speaker 2: that was pretty historic, historic playoffs so far, Indiana Pacers
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Speaker 2: doing what pretty much no one thought they could do,
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Speaker 2: taking too Oklahoma City Thunder to seven games. San Antonio
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Speaker 2: Spurs had the number two overall pick in the NBA Draft.
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Speaker 2: It just seems a little bittersweet right now, but I'm
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Speaker 2: pretty excited for this Game seven coming up.
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Speaker 1: And also can't forget about the honorable Danny Mann you mentioned.
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Speaker 1: and like you were saying, Josh, as far as this
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Speaker 1: is the last game we're gonna get of the NBA season,
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean this is gonna be the last time we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be covering NBA because obviously the draft, free agency,
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Speaker 1: all this stuff that's about to go on. But Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: City Thunder, Indiana Pacers, we already know about all the matchups,
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Speaker 1: all the players here. So first I just want to
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Speaker 1: ask you this here, Josh, because I know we talked
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Speaker 1: about it a little bit when we're watching Game six together.
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Speaker 1: Where does this series rank as far as a NBA
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Speaker 1: Finals series since let's go two thousands if you have to, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you have to look up, if you have to
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Speaker 1: look it up, because it's got off the top of the.
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Speaker 2: Head, well behind two thousand and three, two thousand and five, seven,
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Speaker 2: and twenty fourteen, I would probably what say. I would
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Speaker 2: probably say, so taking away those four if we're taking
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Speaker 2: away those.
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Speaker 1: Four hypotheticals, yeah, of course, of course.
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Speaker 2: Eliminating the Spurs championships from this, I would say, let
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Speaker 2: me think, let me think hard about this really quick,
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna take that So I think for sure
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen's number one. Twenty twenty sixteen lebron Ca went
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Speaker 2: back three to one historic historic NBA finals. You know,
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Speaker 2: no one thought he could do it.
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Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen or twenty was it twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Spurs lost, twenty thirteen Spurs one and twenty fourteen, but
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Speaker 2: both of the twenty historic way they were.
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Speaker 1: I like just like final series, like like just as
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Speaker 1: far as like cal Epic. The series was like back
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Speaker 1: and forth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, Okay, So there's that one.
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Speaker 1: Trying to twenty ten Lakers Celtics Game seven? Was it
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Speaker 1: twenty ten? Yeah? It was twenty him because then ron
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Speaker 1: our Test hit the not not a game winner, those
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Speaker 1: like a minute left in the game and he hit
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Speaker 1: a three to pretty much seal the deal. There's that
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Speaker 1: game seven. There is there's Piston Spurs two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five Game seven, But.
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Speaker 2: That one was not that memorable. It was like a
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Speaker 2: defensive game, defensive series. No one really liked, just hyped
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.
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Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen Spurs annihilate at the heat like four to one,
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Speaker 2: coming off with twenty thirteen, that's pretty memorable. Probably, hm hmm.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think.
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Speaker 2: I think I like Yannis winning his first ring. Yannis
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Speaker 2: winning his first ring was pretty good.
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Speaker 1: One, Yeah, that was that was pretty good, pretty good.
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Speaker 2: They were down two to oh one four straight to
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Speaker 2: finish the series.
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Speaker 1: And those were good games.
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Speaker 2: Too, and he went he did historic like there are.
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Speaker 1: Like fifty fifteen and like five something.
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Speaker 2: I think it was going crazy, So I see, yo,
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Speaker 2: honest I really I really like watching Giannis play in
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Speaker 2: that series. He was like a man on a mission.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, for me, Dirk beating the heat in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: I feel like that that for me was pretty pretty
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Speaker 2: cool to see, you know, just I because I remember
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Speaker 2: watching that series vividly and then him walking off the
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Speaker 2: court before the game's even finished just to go cry
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Speaker 2: in the back because like he finally won a ring.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think for me, I'm putting that up
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Speaker 2: there at twenty eleven. So I'm gonna say, for me,
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Speaker 2: obviously as a Spurs fan, twenty fourteen is number one
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Speaker 2: for me. Twenty then I'm gonna put twenty sixteen, and
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Speaker 2: then I'm gonna put twenty eleven for the Dallas Mavericks
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Speaker 2: and now and even though I hate the Mavericks, but
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Speaker 2: it was still memorable for me. Then I would probably
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Speaker 2: slide in either Jannis this series or this series right
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Speaker 2: right behind in four and five, not in a particular order,
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Speaker 2: but one of those would be for sure four and
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Speaker 2: five because this series is pretty memorable. You know, the
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Speaker 2: Tyres Halliburton going crazy in game one to bring them back,
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Speaker 2: especially another butter buzz almost a buzzer beater, and then
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Speaker 2: we get you know, the Thunder kind of blowing the mouth,
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Speaker 2: then the Thunder winning again and it's there's a historic series.
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Speaker 2: And then seeing the Pacers win this last one by
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Speaker 2: almost thirty dominating, going up by thirty points at one point.
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Speaker 2: So I just think this series has been back and forth.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't very expected number one team all season, especially
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Speaker 2: dominating the East, having the Indy of Pacers be the
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Speaker 2: underdogs pretty much the entirety of the series every single game,
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Speaker 2: no matter what game they play, and continuing to answer
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Speaker 2: the call and then go into a game seven. So
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Speaker 2: for me, I think that's four or five for me
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Speaker 2: all times since since two thousand for NBA championships.
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Speaker 1: Yeah no, while you're think, well, while you're listening them,
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Speaker 1: So my team hasn't made the Champion Championship in the
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Speaker 1: two thousand, so I'd say twenty sixteen, twenty thirteen, I
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Speaker 1: would say even I'd say twenty ten because that was
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Speaker 1: Kobe's fifth Giannis Yannis when you won, and then this one,
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Speaker 1: so so I'm in the same range. I think this
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Speaker 1: is the top five. Whenever people look back at this series,
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Speaker 1: this series, let alone going seven games, It's happened nineteen
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Speaker 1: times in what the seventy eight years that the NBA
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Speaker 1: has been going on, So it's rare. It's rare that
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Speaker 1: you see it goes down to the last game, the
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Speaker 1: very last wire right here. But before we get exactly
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Speaker 1: into this game right here, I want to ask you
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Speaker 1: as far as like as far as the pressure and
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Speaker 1: what this let or what this could mean for possible legacies,
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Speaker 1: as far as Tyre's Halliburn being down three to two,
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Speaker 1: does this put him in kind of like the Jason
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Speaker 1: Kidds Steve Nash conversation to Shay one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: MVP seasons of all time? Or is there any other
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Speaker 1: storylines that you're looking out for from this game.
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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple. I think Tyr's Haliber not
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Speaker 2: necessarily putting up there with like those type of grades.
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Speaker 2: Yet you know there's still two MVPs on the side
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Speaker 2: for Steve Nash and Jason Kidd. I think he'd probably
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Speaker 2: be comparable to Jason Kidd. I know Jason Kid's an
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Speaker 2: all time leaving passer and all that stuff, But you know,
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Speaker 2: he won a ring late in his career twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: Like it wasn't in the peak up what he was
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Speaker 2: able to do, so I'm not really gonna count that.
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Speaker 2: I think he maybe maybe surpassed your Jason Kidd. If
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Speaker 2: we're talking about legacy, and winning a ring as a
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Speaker 2: star player on your team early on in your career
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Speaker 2: means a lot more than winning it in twenty eleven
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Speaker 2: with derk Nowhisky and Jason Terry and all these older
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Speaker 2: guys just veterans on a team trying to win a ring.
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Speaker 2: So for me, I'm gonna I'm gonna put but Steve Nash,
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Speaker 2: he has a little bit, a little bit ways to
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Speaker 2: go for me to catch Steve Nash yet. But for
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Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburn, I say we were talking that Superstar conversation
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Speaker 2: earlier in the playoffs. You know, I feel like you
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Speaker 2: win a championship, it's gonna elevate you to a whole
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Speaker 2: other level, you know. And I think for him, it's
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Speaker 2: gonna put him above Anthony Edwards, donnad is gonna put
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Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson even like He's gonna be elevated,
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Speaker 2: I think above all those guys because he was able
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Speaker 2: to lead his team play through injury and be able
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Speaker 2: to secure a championship for his basketball team, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of those guys have not. They haven't even gotten
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Speaker 2: into an NBA championship. So I think the respect would
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Speaker 2: be given or respect is due for Tyres Haliburn. I'm
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Speaker 2: not putting them nowhere near like the top tier of players,
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Speaker 2: like the top five. Yeah, and like a couple a
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Speaker 2: couple of guys after that, like six and seven people,
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Speaker 2: guys that are like in the six and seven range.
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Speaker 2: But he would be for sure around around like the
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Speaker 2: eight nine range, like undeniably in the league, especially the
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Speaker 2: best players in the world eight or nine. Definitely for
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Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburton, and then as far as Pascal Siakam, I
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Speaker 2: feel like it's not getting to talk about Itascal, I
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Speaker 2: feel like it's gonna it's gonna need to get some
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Speaker 2: love after this. You know, he was the second option really,
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Speaker 2: I mean Kyle Lowry debatable, Kyle Lowry, Pascal Siakam. They're
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Speaker 2: in the Toronto Raptors champions Fred Van Fleet even but
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Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam. They don't win that championship without Pascal Siakam.
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Speaker 2: And that's just the truth for the Toronto Raptors and
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Speaker 2: a couple of injuries going their way, but that with that,
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Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam definitely him. And then the consistently he's just
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Speaker 2: had gaming in game out the entirety of the season
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Speaker 2: in his entire NBA career, and is the games that
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Speaker 2: he has had in this NBA Finals and in this playoffs,
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Speaker 2: he would he would for sure have to be looked
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Speaker 2: at as I think in the Jalen Brunson and the
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Speaker 2: Jalen Brown range. I feel like he would have to
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Speaker 2: be talked about in that top twenty, top fifteen to
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Speaker 2: twenty players in the NBA because what he's able to
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Speaker 2: do on a night in a night out basis, there's
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Speaker 2: not many players that are three level threats at his size.
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Speaker 2: He's not KD, but he's Katie esque when it comes
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Speaker 2: to scoring. The basketball against anybody that he wants to.
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Speaker 2: And he's a good defender. He has been talked about
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Speaker 2: a lot in this series how he's been a great
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Speaker 2: help defender and even being compared to Draymond Green in
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Speaker 2: that aspect by the opposing coach, My opposing coach, Mike Dagnall.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's just something that needs to be
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Speaker 2: looked at. More is how important is Pascal Siaka to
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Speaker 2: the success of the Nfplacers and all the teams he's
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Speaker 2: ever played for. And I think it's a very big
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Speaker 2: margin that he takes up of that space on a
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Speaker 2: team of how important he is, because I guarantee you
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Speaker 2: if he were to be on any other contending team,
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Speaker 2: he would have the same type of role in the
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Speaker 2: same places because he's just a consistent player, can get
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Speaker 2: to his spots no matter what. And I think he
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Speaker 2: would have to be looked at as in that top
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Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty range in the NBA, and then another
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Speaker 2: player I probably would want to look at on the
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Speaker 2: other side, you know SGA obviously MVP season leading the
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Speaker 2: league in scoring, MVP Finals MVP more than likely, and
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Speaker 2: then MVP it would just be to cap off a
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Speaker 2: great season to an already great to a good start
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Speaker 2: to a career. I feel like he has a lot
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Speaker 2: more to go. Consistently in the top and scoring every
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Speaker 2: single year, it would just elevate him to a whole
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Speaker 2: other level of stardom. I feel like I don't think
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Speaker 2: he would pass Jokicheriannis yet as the best or but
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Speaker 2: I think he would for sure be above Luca as
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Speaker 2: of right now when it comes to success because MVP
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Speaker 2: championship points on points average per season, I think he
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Speaker 2: would for sure be in that number three range for
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Speaker 2: me in the NBA and as the third best player
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Speaker 2: in the world. And then I don't know, I just
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Speaker 2: feel like a couple other players. I think those are
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Speaker 2: the main three. I don't think it really does much
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Speaker 2: for the other guys. But if we're looking at coaches,
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Speaker 2: maybe Rick Carlisles submit to him into the NBA Hall
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Speaker 2: of Fame no matter what if he wins his second
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Speaker 2: NBA championship.
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Speaker 1: So I kind of want to go off the Pascal
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Speaker 1: Siaka point first because that was the one that I
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Speaker 1: was most intrigued in and I was thinking about this.
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Speaker 1: So let's just say hypothetically, the Pacers they win this
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Speaker 1: game tomorrow, Pascal Siakam, in my opinion, would have to
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Speaker 1: be looked at. I wouldn't say on the level of
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Speaker 1: a Scottie pippen Ish or a Kareem later on his career,
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Speaker 1: but one of the best second options on a championship
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Speaker 1: winning team realistically because he did it with Kawhi and
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think he's a number two
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Speaker 1: on that Toronto Raptors run and this run even at
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Speaker 1: times whenever Tyres Halliburton doesn't have the scoring output or
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Speaker 1: he's just not that offensive engine he usually is. Pascal
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Speaker 1: Siakam He's picked up his slack every single time and
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Speaker 1: in Game six he looked like a man on fire.
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Speaker 1: He has a real shot to win Finals MVP in
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Speaker 1: this one. So even I wouldn't say it was like
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Speaker 1: close with the Toronto Raptors, but he I think he
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Speaker 1: got some votes too from that series too because how
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Speaker 1: dominant he was. So I think Pascal Siakam, if they
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Speaker 1: win this ring, he would have to be argued as
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Speaker 1: one of the best number two options on a championship
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Speaker 1: level team. But as far as with Shay, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I mentioned this before, but as far as
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Speaker 1: to win sixty eight games, make the All Star Game,
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Speaker 1: win the scoring title, first Team All NBA, win MVP,
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Speaker 1: and win finals MVP. The only other person that has
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Speaker 1: done that in NBA history is nineteen ninety six My Jordan,
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Speaker 1: and that's when he won seventy three or seventy two games,
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Speaker 1: ten losses and had one of the most dynamic runs
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Speaker 1: of all time. And that's gonna be brought up for
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Speaker 1: years and years and years. So if Shaye wins his finals,
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Speaker 1: no matter what's happened, what happened in game six, or
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Speaker 1: how in Game three he was just lost out there,
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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna remember that. They're gonna look back in history
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Speaker 1: and say Michael Jordan and Shae are the only two
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Speaker 1: guys that have done this in history, because when you
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Speaker 1: go ten to fifteen years in the future, nobody's gonna
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Speaker 1: remember exactly what happened in game five for Game six.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna just know what was an end result. And Shae,
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Speaker 1: he could be argued for that for something Lebron hasn't done,
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Speaker 1: Kobe hasn't done, Kareem Magic hasn't done. You're talking about
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, most people's greatest of all time, So obviously
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Speaker 1: there's that right there. But Tyre's Tyres Halliburton. I would
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Speaker 1: put him above or this is crazy, I would put
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Speaker 1: him above Jason Kidd as far as if he stays
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Speaker 1: on this trajectory in the regular season. But he's got
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Speaker 1: the championship in the peak of his powers versus a
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Speaker 1: six to st eight win team who went forty to
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Speaker 1: one versus the Eastern Conference and the injury too. Like
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, this would be something crazy even I think
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Speaker 1: this would be a crazier than the twenty eleven run
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Speaker 1: because at least Dirk in his time, he already won
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Speaker 1: an MVP and he was already considered one of the
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Speaker 1: best players in the league before the season even started.
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Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburn, he was argued maybe a top twenty player people.
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Speaker 1: They were saying it was a fluke run at best.
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Speaker 1: So and like you said too, underdogs the entire series,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're a favorite versus New York Cleveland,
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Speaker 1: barely favorite versus Milwaukee, So this would be the ultimate
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Speaker 1: underdog story. And also that last point about Shay, I
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Speaker 1: forgot to mention. Here's how I look at it. As
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Speaker 1: far as if a team wins a championship. If that
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Speaker 1: player is already considered around that top eight range and
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Speaker 1: they win a championship, in my opinion, they have to
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Speaker 1: be the best player in the world because of what
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Speaker 1: they did off the last season. That's just how I
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Speaker 1: look at it. Based off of let me go back
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty, Lebron twenty twenty one, Giannis twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: Steph twenty twenty three, Jokic twenty twenty four, Tatum and
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it would be Shay. That's just how
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Speaker 1: I look at it now on recent history. If you
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Speaker 1: already have a resume where you could be argued in
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Speaker 1: the top five and you win a championship, I feel
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Speaker 1: like you have to be considered the best player in
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Speaker 1: the world. That's how I look at it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you disagree, Yeah, I think I
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Speaker 2: would disagree on that standpoint. I don't go. I guess
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Speaker 2: that's the way that I like debate players or like anyways,
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Speaker 2: like people I know this off topic, but like like
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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, Like you know, people are already like riding
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Speaker 2: off Tyreek Hill based off one bat season even though
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Speaker 2: he still had like nine hundred yards and stuff like
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Speaker 2: that and terrible quarterback play, and I'm like, no, he's
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Speaker 2: still a top five receiver in the NFL, like hands down,
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Speaker 2: Like there's no questions about it. But people tend to
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Speaker 2: forget about that based off of one year, like recentcy
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Speaker 2: bias type of experience. Rather we look at the last
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Speaker 2: decade and he's been consistently arguably the top receiver in
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Speaker 2: the league. So it's it's it's just one of those things.
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Speaker 2: And I think I look at it the same when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the best player in the world. I think,
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Speaker 2: what you do year in and year out magic and
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Speaker 2: he's up there. Don't get me wrong, but I just
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Speaker 2: feel like year in and year out, Yannis and Nicola
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Speaker 2: Jokisch and all them have already proven that there, that
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Speaker 2: they're up there as and even arguably Luka Doncis has
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Speaker 2: proven to have a better resume as SGA up until
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Speaker 2: this season. So it would be it would be one
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Speaker 2: of those things where I look at I get that
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Speaker 2: he won a ring, I'm putting him third best player
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Speaker 2: in the NBA, but I don't look at it on
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Speaker 2: a year to year basis, because even if you were
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Speaker 2: to ask me, no matter who won MVP. Lebron is
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Speaker 2: still the best player in the world, no matter what.
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Speaker 2: I mean, up until a couple of seasons ago, win
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Speaker 2: his ad started kicking in. But if you were to
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Speaker 2: ask me from like twenty I guess like twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twelve to twenty twenty two, you know, I'd say
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Speaker 2: Lebron no matter who won MVP, even if Stephen Curry
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Speaker 2: went back to back MVPs. You know, even if if
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Speaker 2: Jannis had dpo Y and MVP in the same season,
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Speaker 2: it's still Lebron James for me, the best player in
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Speaker 2: the world. So for me, I don't look at it
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Speaker 2: as as a standpoint of this year. I think Nikol
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Speaker 2: Jokich undoubtedly is the best player in the world no
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Speaker 2: matter who wins this year, because I think even what
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Speaker 2: he showed in the playoffs this season, taking a team
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Speaker 2: that no one thought was gonna do anything, really he
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Speaker 2: led them to seven games versus this team that's probably
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Speaker 2: about it win the championship. So I'm just saying, like,
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Speaker 2: I think Nikola jokicch for sure, no matter what, is
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Speaker 2: the best player in the world.
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Speaker 1: See I understand that standpoint, but I think best player
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Speaker 1: in the world It's a lot different than in football
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, because football you could kind of you
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Speaker 1: get some consistency there obviously, like consistency from the top
18:02
Speaker 1: teams in the NBA, But as far as winning the
18:05
Speaker 1: championship is a lot different in the NBA than I
18:07
Speaker 1: can then in the NFL. Look at what the Chiefs
18:10
Speaker 1: has done in the past.
18:11
Speaker 2: I was just arguing from like the position, you know,
18:14
Speaker 2: Like I'm just saying, like the position, he's the best.
18:17
Speaker 2: Like people will take already discounting one season, you know,
18:20
Speaker 2: like like you know, are we going to discount like
18:22
Speaker 2: you know, like as down be not the best defensive
18:24
Speaker 2: player in the world just because he missed half the season.
18:27
Speaker 1: I like, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get you.
18:29
Speaker 1: I get you. But I'm still at the standpoint as
18:32
Speaker 1: far as best player in the league. In the NBA wise,
18:36
Speaker 1: this is different than the NFL. I still stand on
18:38
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's it's different because I feel like who
18:42
Speaker 1: has the best statistical year in the NBA differs a
18:45
Speaker 1: lot from the NFL. And I feel like based on
18:48
Speaker 1: just the entirety of the year, and it just happened,
18:52
Speaker 1: Shade just won MVP. But as far as a scoring title,
18:55
Speaker 1: All Star Game, First Team All NBA, doing that and
18:58
Speaker 1: then leading your team to the finals and winning finals. MVP,
19:03
Speaker 1: you have to have your cap in the bout as
19:06
Speaker 1: far as as far as.
19:08
Speaker 2: In the conversation. But I just don't think he is.
19:11
Speaker 2: That's just me, Like, I don't think he is the
19:13
Speaker 2: best player in the world. Like it's yeah, like I
19:15
Speaker 2: think he would for sure be three still because all
19:18
Speaker 2: of the same things that he would accomplish this year
19:20
Speaker 2: Nicola Yogis did it when he won, you know, so
19:22
Speaker 2: it's like like and that's how that's how I consider
19:25
Speaker 2: it too. As far as like whenever it happened, like
19:28
Speaker 2: how I listed it all all through those I feel
19:31
Speaker 2: like I could even go through that, I would feel
19:33
Speaker 2: the same. As far as with Dirk and twenty eleven,
19:36
Speaker 2: he'd have to be considered the best player in the world,
19:39
Speaker 2: am I, even though Lebron would be better because I'm
19:43
Speaker 2: not going to have individually five at that time. If
19:46
Speaker 2: I'm being on, I.
19:47
Speaker 1: Just think that when he knocked him out and won
19:50
Speaker 1: the championship, that's just how I look at it. Doesn't
19:52
Speaker 1: mean it won't change the following year, if that makes sense.
19:56
Speaker 2: We're looking at differently, like you're looking at it from
19:58
Speaker 2: a year to year standpoint. When I look at had
20:00
Speaker 2: a body of work, you know, like a body of
20:02
Speaker 2: work over time. I don't know, like I can't. I
20:04
Speaker 2: can't just take one year and like kind of like
20:07
Speaker 2: exclude a player, like take like Diminisha players like it. Literally,
20:11
Speaker 2: Nicola Yoki's coach got fired at the end of the season,
20:13
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like like they were dealing with
20:15
Speaker 2: change and then and then plus like and plus if
20:20
Speaker 2: you were looking I mean, I'm gonna sound like Damien
20:21
Speaker 2: right here, but like Nicola Jokicch's stats throughout the entire
20:24
Speaker 2: of the season, like there he was having a historic
20:27
Speaker 2: season as well, you know. And Johannis had to komb
20:29
Speaker 2: but we literally said over and over, if it was
20:31
Speaker 2: any other year, he would have won, he would have
20:34
Speaker 2: won MVP. So it's like one of those things like
20:36
Speaker 2: they didn't degress like Jannis you really think he was.
20:39
Speaker 2: He'd had no chance to make it to the championship
20:41
Speaker 2: with the team that he had, Like there was literally
20:43
Speaker 2: no chance, like at all, and the team that beat
20:45
Speaker 2: him is literally in the championship. So it's like it's
20:49
Speaker 2: kind of one of those things like I can't take
20:50
Speaker 2: I can't put Shay above him, because, like if we
20:53
Speaker 2: look at the whole correlation of it all, Shay's team
20:57
Speaker 2: compared to Gianni's team, I mean, I don't know, Jannie
20:59
Speaker 2: was playing with some year one year two players and
21:02
Speaker 2: a crippled Damian Lillard until he got hurt again. So
21:05
Speaker 2: it was like one of those things. And then you
21:07
Speaker 2: look at Nikola Yoka. Sure they stepped up like they
21:13
Speaker 2: needed to in the playoffs to have these great series
21:15
Speaker 2: versus the Los Angeles Clippers and then versus the Oklahoma
21:18
Speaker 2: City Thunder, But in hindsight, it was still Nikola Yok
21:21
Speaker 2: at your bus no matter what, you know, we had
21:23
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon playing out of his mind when he really
21:25
Speaker 2: doesn't do that on a day to day basis.
21:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I get you, But I just think, yeah, no,
21:31
Speaker 1: we look at it a lot differently, and I think
21:34
Speaker 1: the perfect example for me, the best example I could
21:37
Speaker 1: bring up is twenty twenty two Steph Cuz during that
21:40
Speaker 1: playoff run he was considered a top five player no
21:43
Speaker 1: matter what, kind of same situation as Shay, only different.
21:46
Speaker 1: Shay one MVP led his team to the championship and
21:50
Speaker 1: won the championship. So that's that's how I look at
21:54
Speaker 1: it as far as if you're already top five, like
21:56
Speaker 1: if you're already there, if that makes sense, if you're
21:59
Speaker 1: already there and you win the championship, like, but to
22:04
Speaker 1: be a top five player, that's a tough criteria to
22:06
Speaker 1: just being in general. And I'll say this like ending
22:12
Speaker 1: the season, if the Thunder win the championship, if that
22:15
Speaker 1: makes sense, I would put Shane number one. But say,
22:18
Speaker 1: come October, who's the best player in the league. I'll say,
22:21
Speaker 1: Nakola Yokus. Does that make sense?
22:23
Speaker 2: I get yeah, I get you. I guess you're you're
22:25
Speaker 2: bringing pretty consistent because I guess last year you were
22:27
Speaker 2: saying Jayson Tatum was the best player in the world
22:29
Speaker 2: after he won the championship, even though I still wasn't
22:32
Speaker 2: on the train yet. I had him like eight, Like
22:34
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, like I just you know,
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I don't view it that way,
22:39
Speaker 2: but I can see why you view it that way.
22:41
Speaker 2: It's just like for me, I just don't think one
22:43
Speaker 2: year for me like changes everything, you know, Like it's just.
22:47
Speaker 1: And I think and I think that's good, though you
22:49
Speaker 1: need to look at it from going as far as
22:51
Speaker 1: a standpoint, because I.
22:52
Speaker 2: Guess it's one of those things like I know, I
22:53
Speaker 2: hate to I know I'm bringing them up again. Like
22:56
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley won Defensive Player of the Year, He's not
22:58
Speaker 2: the best defensive player in the world. Like it's just
23:01
Speaker 2: I mean, statistically, he's not. Like it just it wasn't
23:03
Speaker 2: that way. You know, it's just but due to circumstance,
23:06
Speaker 2: he ended up winning Defensive Player of the Year. But
23:08
Speaker 2: no one's going to argue Evan Mobley as defensive player
23:10
Speaker 2: the best defensive player in the world, you know. So
23:12
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, but he's not better than Wimby. You know,
23:16
Speaker 2: Wimby was like negative ten thousand TI betting odds to
23:20
Speaker 2: win POP before he got so yeah, so it's like
23:24
Speaker 2: he was I think he was negative twelve twelve thousand
23:26
Speaker 2: when the season started. So it was kind of like
23:28
Speaker 2: one of those one of those things where it's like
23:30
Speaker 2: everyone knows. It's just it's not going to change the
23:32
Speaker 2: idea just because he got sick. You know. It's like
23:34
Speaker 2: one of those things. It's like, due to circumstance, you're
23:37
Speaker 2: the defensive Player of the Year this year.
23:38
Speaker 1: You know, I guess, I guess I just view it different,
23:43
Speaker 1: like I feel like awards and like championship. It's like
23:46
Speaker 1: it would have to be something along the lines of,
23:49
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm trying to find a way to correlate
23:52
Speaker 1: it to like DPO t DP O.
23:54
Speaker 2: Wise, Like let's say this, like, oh so, okay, Jamal Crawford,
23:58
Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams have more so spend of
24:00
Speaker 2: the years than Monage Nobly, But are they better six
24:03
Speaker 2: six man then Managing Nobly. No, because the body of
24:06
Speaker 2: work is completely different. You know, it's like they're consistent.
24:09
Speaker 2: He's he consistently was in Championship since like the all
24:12
Speaker 2: time leading scorer off the bench in playoffs and points, rebounds, blocks, assists,
24:16
Speaker 2: like everything. So it's kind of like so it's one
24:18
Speaker 2: of instilled. So it's just one of those things where
24:20
Speaker 2: it's like, sure you got it that year, but over
24:24
Speaker 2: the whole body of work, you're still not better than
24:26
Speaker 2: that player.
24:27
Speaker 1: Well, okay, okay, let me put it like this. Okay,
24:30
Speaker 1: say the same exact stuff happened, and say Dyson Daniels
24:34
Speaker 1: ended up going on this crazy well he did have
24:37
Speaker 1: a crazy defensive run, but let's just say even crazier
24:41
Speaker 1: at this moment, and then one dpo y it's like, okay, well,
24:46
Speaker 1: you would have to put him in that criteria for
24:49
Speaker 1: best defensive player. Not that I wouldn't if we're starting
24:52
Speaker 1: a franchise.
24:53
Speaker 2: I think he should have won Defensive Player of the
24:55
Speaker 2: Year this year. Ever, being honest, so it's like I
24:58
Speaker 2: can see where he would be argued up there, but
25:01
Speaker 2: I think he would have to do it again, you know,
25:03
Speaker 2: like he couldn't, like because we're looking at the standpoint
25:07
Speaker 2: of what Womby did rookie year to second year still
25:10
Speaker 2: is like undeniable compared to anyone else, even Rudy Gobert,
25:14
Speaker 2: who won it over him is and that was dude,
25:16
Speaker 2: that was mainly do the team record. So it's kind
25:18
Speaker 2: of like one of those things where it's like he
25:20
Speaker 2: wasn't better, he just had his team had more success.
25:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, okay, it's it's a little bit weird. It's
25:27
Speaker 1: just I obviously I viewing like old older stuff as
25:32
Speaker 1: far as on a consistent basis, but as far as
25:34
Speaker 1: like best at that moment, I think that's how I'm
25:37
Speaker 1: looking at the best at the moment. Okay, there's a
25:41
Speaker 1: difference like in this day of time, Like, yeah, in
25:43
Speaker 1: this day of time right now, that's okay, you know what.
25:46
Speaker 1: That's that's perfect how I want to put it. In
25:48
Speaker 1: this day of time. If the Thunder win the championship,
25:51
Speaker 1: Shay is the best player in the world. That's how
25:53
Speaker 1: I look at it. But they have to be top
25:55
Speaker 1: five players. It can't be like the what two thousand, Yeah,
26:00
Speaker 1: it can't be like Tyra's Halliburn. Yeah, winning the championship. No,
26:03
Speaker 1: I would not say that. No, but all right, well let's.
26:08
Speaker 2: Go with Tyres. The championship make him a superstar.
26:12
Speaker 1: I would say, for sure, Okay, for sure.
26:15
Speaker 2: I can't agree with that. Yeah, I would say the
26:17
Speaker 2: superstar right now. I don't think he's a superstar right now,
26:20
Speaker 2: but if you were to win a championship, it would
26:22
Speaker 2: elevate him to that, to that superstar.
26:24
Speaker 1: Well, remember our criteria that we made. You either have
26:27
Speaker 1: to win a championship, be the number one player, or
26:30
Speaker 1: you have to.
26:31
Speaker 2: Have the best at something. I don't know it was accolades.
26:34
Speaker 2: Be the best at something and number one player on
26:36
Speaker 2: your team number one. Yeah, championship goes in accolades. So yeah,
26:39
Speaker 2: I guess like.
26:40
Speaker 1: Of course he would kind of knock out two boxes, yeah,
26:43
Speaker 1: at the same time.
26:43
Speaker 2: Because he wouldn't be the best at anything, but he
26:46
Speaker 2: would still but he would be like a lead at passing.
26:48
Speaker 2: So it'd be like one of those things where it's.
26:50
Speaker 1: Like, well, you could argue best offense in the league.
26:53
Speaker 1: This is the most week the thunder half looked all
26:57
Speaker 1: all the time in the playoffs.
26:58
Speaker 2: So that I think that's more to Rick Carlisle standpoint
27:01
Speaker 2: than it is Tyrese. I mean, I mean, I know
27:03
Speaker 2: Tyrese is the I mean, the engine behind the offense,
27:06
Speaker 2: but it's like the mind also has to be able
27:09
Speaker 2: to orchestrate it.
27:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. That is true right there. But
27:14
Speaker 1: all right, Josh, it's time to officially get into predictions.
27:18
Speaker 1: We've been holding our official prediction off for damn near
27:22
Speaker 1: thirty minutes now. So Oklahoma City thunder versus Indiana Indiana Pacers.
27:29
Speaker 1: So the last four game sevens in NBA Finals have
27:34
Speaker 1: been averaged a five point difference and the home team
27:40
Speaker 1: is fifteen to four in Game sevens in the NBA
27:43
Speaker 1: Finals all time. Just want to throw that set out
27:46
Speaker 1: to you and also another stat, the last four teams
27:49
Speaker 1: to go down three to two in the NBA Finals
27:52
Speaker 1: have won the championship. So with those stats in mind,
27:56
Speaker 1: right there, Josh, who is winning the championship? Who was
28:00
Speaker 1: Finals MVP? And why?
28:03
Speaker 2: I think the Oklahoma City Thunder are gonna win the
28:05
Speaker 2: championship And I think home court advantage. I think that's
28:09
Speaker 2: what's just what it's gonna come down to. It's gonna
28:11
Speaker 2: come down to them playing in Oklahoma City. As much
28:13
Speaker 2: as I would love to see Pacers win the championship
28:15
Speaker 2: and I would hate to see the Oklahoma City Thunder
28:17
Speaker 2: win the championship, I just feel like it's gonna be
28:19
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be a blowout, but for sure I
28:21
Speaker 2: think the Thunder are gonna be a control for most
28:23
Speaker 2: of the game. I just think back in home court
28:27
Speaker 2: Game seven to close it out, they've done it to
28:30
Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets. They they're gonna I think it's just
28:32
Speaker 2: another repeat, like you said, of that series, and I
28:35
Speaker 2: think the Oklahoma City Thunder are gonna and SGA is
28:38
Speaker 2: gonna have a SGA and JW are gonna have bounced
28:41
Speaker 2: back games, especially from this last one where they both
28:43
Speaker 2: played pretty terribly especially in that second half to even
28:46
Speaker 2: try bringing the team back into the fold. And for
28:49
Speaker 2: finals MVP, I'm gonna go with SGA, of course.
28:53
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought it up. I just want
28:57
Speaker 1: to glaze my take really really quick. I know that's
28:59
Speaker 1: crazy to say. I said, I said it last time
29:02
Speaker 1: we recorded to I told you exactly, Josh, I said,
29:06
Speaker 1: this series is starting to feel a lot like the Thunder,
29:10
Speaker 1: the Thunder and Nuggets series. And Josh, let me bring
29:14
Speaker 1: this up to you now now that we could actually
29:16
Speaker 1: have six game sample size. So game one, miraculous loss
29:22
Speaker 1: by a game winner happened in the Denver series, Aaron
29:25
Speaker 1: Gordon happened this one Tyre's Halliburton. Game two, easy win, Thunder.
29:30
Speaker 1: They blow out the opponent. They did that versus the Nuggets.
29:32
Speaker 1: They did it versus the Pacers. Game three. Look at
29:35
Speaker 1: this here, Josh lost by nine in crunch time versus
29:40
Speaker 1: the Nuggets lost by nine and crunch time versus the Pacers.
29:43
Speaker 1: Game four, Thunder, they were struggling the entire time. Come
29:49
Speaker 1: back in the fourth, win the game versus the Nuggets
29:51
Speaker 1: by five. Beat the Pacers by four in game four,
29:55
Speaker 1: Game five a home win the series that it looks done,
30:00
Speaker 1: looks like they're gonna wrap it up in six games.
30:03
Speaker 1: Did that versus the Nuggets, did versus Pacers Game six
30:07
Speaker 1: both teams blow out the Thunder where they were favored
30:11
Speaker 1: by five and a half points in both games, And
30:14
Speaker 1: now Game seven, I feel like it's gonna be the
30:17
Speaker 1: exact same way, gonna be close midway through the fourth
30:20
Speaker 1: quarter with six minutes left, and then the Thunder are
30:24
Speaker 1: just gonna have their superpower and their superpower is defense,
30:29
Speaker 1: and the Thunder Thunder are going to win the championship.
30:32
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna just put it down to this, at
30:36
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Game sevens you throw everything
30:38
Speaker 1: out the window. In my opinion, I don't know how
30:40
Speaker 1: you feel about this, Josh. It's a one game sample size,
30:43
Speaker 1: no matter, no matter what's happened throughout the entire series,
30:47
Speaker 1: you have random role players who step up. Like I
30:50
Speaker 1: talked to you about it before on or before we
30:53
Speaker 1: started the podcast, Draymond Green had thirty two twelve to
30:57
Speaker 1: nine on ninety five percent true shooting. Shane Battier hit
31:01
Speaker 1: six threes. I'm trying to think to last. On twenty ten,
31:05
Speaker 1: ron Our Test or Metal World piece whatever he was
31:08
Speaker 1: at the time. I think he had like twenty points,
31:11
Speaker 1: Pau Gasol had nineteen and eighteen something like that. And
31:15
Speaker 1: then I saw something for the Pistons and the Spurs series.
31:20
Speaker 1: It was some role player. I can't think of it.
31:22
Speaker 1: On the Spurs had like fifteen points and then score
31:24
Speaker 1: fifteen points the entire series. So there's gonna be a
31:28
Speaker 1: random player that steps up. And this week we're gonna
31:32
Speaker 1: have a little bit of fun here. So I have
31:34
Speaker 1: sh she as my MVP or finals MVP. I think
31:37
Speaker 1: the Thunder I winning this game close. But now that
31:40
Speaker 1: I brought that up, as far as a random role
31:42
Speaker 1: player stepping up in this game, I think you know
31:45
Speaker 1: I'm head of here, Josh. One player from each team,
31:49
Speaker 1: a random role player, because it's gonna happen. It's gonna
31:52
Speaker 1: happen no matter what. This is gonna be a close
31:53
Speaker 1: game here. So who's gonna be those two random role
31:56
Speaker 1: players for you to step up?
31:59
Speaker 2: Does Andrew Nim kind of as a random role player? No?
32:01
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He doesn't. Kind of, well I would.
32:04
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say like random, but like I mean,
32:06
Speaker 1: like in NBA history, you know what I mean? Shane
32:09
Speaker 1: Baddy it was relevant.
32:10
Speaker 2: I feel like Aaron Neismith maybe go create another game
32:13
Speaker 2: that's going crazy from three. If it's on the Pacers side,
32:15
Speaker 2: I feel like he could probably have a big day.
32:17
Speaker 2: And on the thunderside, Honestly, I don't think it's gonna
32:21
Speaker 2: be a random player. I think Chet Holmgren better get
32:23
Speaker 2: his ass together and start playing some good basketball. How
32:26
Speaker 2: about that? Like, I just think I think it's just
32:28
Speaker 2: gonna be Chet home grind better at least do what
32:31
Speaker 2: he was doing when he first entered the league. Bro,
32:34
Speaker 2: because he keeps he has not been the same since
32:37
Speaker 2: he first came into the league. I don't care what
32:39
Speaker 2: no one says, Like he's not played like that a game.
32:42
Speaker 1: No, for sure, No. I would say so too. I
32:45
Speaker 1: would say for the Pacers TJ McConnell, that's the easy
32:48
Speaker 1: answer here. But we're going this shot in the dark here.
32:51
Speaker 1: I would say if the Pacers Bob Yeah, I was,
32:54
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Obie top and if the Pacers win,
32:56
Speaker 1: he's gonna have like twenty five.
32:58
Speaker 2: He's been very consistent, like he's been very good player.
33:01
Speaker 2: Like so, I don't know, Like, I just think it's
33:02
Speaker 2: more shots falling for him if he does go off
33:04
Speaker 2: like that's just what it's gonna be.
33:05
Speaker 1: Let me let me see what he's shooting in this series, actually, Thomas,
33:08
Speaker 1: I can check for you. He shooting. Check this out, Josh.
33:14
Speaker 1: He's shooting forty eight percent from the field, forty percent
33:17
Speaker 1: from three, but from the free throw line.
33:22
Speaker 2: Fifty from the free throw line is crazy. Holy Yeah,
33:25
Speaker 2: I know.
33:26
Speaker 1: I don't know how many free throw attempts I'm trying
33:28
Speaker 1: to see, oh six or twelve? Oh yeah, No, he
33:31
Speaker 1: should be he should be a lot more efficient. No,
33:34
Speaker 1: I would say Obi Topping and the random role player
33:37
Speaker 1: for the Thunder, I would say, I feel like it'll
33:40
Speaker 1: be somebody like a freaking like Isaiah Joe. Somebody like that, Yeah,
33:46
Speaker 1: Isaiah Joe or Aaron Wiggins just hitting crazy threes. I
33:50
Speaker 1: don't know where.
33:51
Speaker 2: I feel like Aaron Wigans start the game off good,
33:54
Speaker 2: this last this last one, and then he just fell
33:56
Speaker 2: off hard.
33:57
Speaker 1: Dude, like that one wherever he lost the ball because
34:00
Speaker 1: he tried to go behind the back and then he
34:02
Speaker 1: did the same move again. It's like, dude, what the hell,
34:06
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing here?
34:08
Speaker 2: No?
34:08
Speaker 1: But also another thing now that I'm looking at it
34:13
Speaker 1: right now. The point the differential between the two teams
34:17
Speaker 1: is less than a point or one point one point
34:20
Speaker 1: difference between the two Pacers are averaging one O nine
34:24
Speaker 1: Thunder averaging one ten in this series. So that's how
34:27
Speaker 1: close this series really has been. But we both have
34:31
Speaker 1: the Thunder winning this one right here. Before we move
34:35
Speaker 1: on to anything else here, just in general, as far
34:38
Speaker 1: as Game sevens, what's the greatest Game seven individual performance
34:46
Speaker 1: that you could think of or remember?
34:50
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'm a Spurs fan. I've ever seen that many games?
34:56
Speaker 1: How many Game sevens have y'all had or that you remember?
35:02
Speaker 2: In Game seven? I remember, it's freaking Grizzlies beating.
35:07
Speaker 1: Wasn't that when the Grizzlies were the eight seed or
35:11
Speaker 1: seventh seed? Yeah, they're the eight seed, man, eight seed Grizzlies.
35:17
Speaker 2: Dude, don't talk about the Grizzlies run I you know
35:19
Speaker 2: how old heads talk, how they think Grizzlies like their
35:21
Speaker 2: teams would run through like teams. Now, I think the
35:24
Speaker 2: Grizzlies would run through some teams now, like I think they're.
35:28
Speaker 1: Like they also nasty, Zebo, Mark Gasol, Tony Allen, Mike Conley.
35:36
Speaker 2: Not even just that torn Rudy's Rudy Gay, oj Mayo
35:40
Speaker 2: like Bro. They were like loaded, dude, don't know how
35:43
Speaker 2: they were. The eight seed.
35:45
Speaker 1: Hmmm mmmm, I would say the one for me for sure. Well,
35:51
Speaker 1: there's two. It's the goat Lebron James and twenty thirteen
35:55
Speaker 1: and twenty sixteen my opinion, twenty seven eleven and eleven
36:00
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen two steals, three blocks, Lebron the game winner
36:04
Speaker 1: pretty much or sealed the deal. Thirty seven, twelve and
36:06
Speaker 1: four two blocks. I'm telling you that's individually, that's one
36:12
Speaker 1: of the craziest ones. But let me let me list
36:14
Speaker 1: a couple more here for you, Josh.
36:17
Speaker 2: You could really think of no game sevens, to be honest.
36:20
Speaker 1: Look, watch, let me just list this one. Nineteen eighty
36:23
Speaker 1: eight James Worthy thirty six sixteen ten, two and two
36:28
Speaker 1: on seventy percent from the field. Then there's another one.
36:32
Speaker 1: Where is this one at Walt Frasier thirty six points,
36:36
Speaker 1: seven rebounds, nineteen assists. And then Jerry Dude, Jerry West
36:44
Speaker 1: was putting up some damn numbers in Game.
36:46
Speaker 2: Seven, but he probably lost that series too, so that's crazy.
36:49
Speaker 1: I know he lost. He lost both of these. Listen
36:52
Speaker 1: to these forty two, thirteen and twelve, thirty six, ten
36:56
Speaker 1: and eight. Oh my goodness, Bill Russell thirty points, forty rebounds.
37:04
Speaker 2: For this inflated stats.
37:08
Speaker 1: Holy crap, bro forty rebounds for zero. Nah, that's crazy.
37:15
Speaker 1: That is crazy right there. But all right, Josh, is
37:20
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to cover from this series
37:23
Speaker 1: in general or just game sevens?
37:25
Speaker 2: No, I think we we covered pretty much everything that
37:27
Speaker 2: we can say before this game starts.
37:30
Speaker 1: And okay, the last topic that we want to bring
37:34
Speaker 1: up before we get out of here is as far
37:37
Speaker 1: as I think it was, it was maybe like two
37:40
Speaker 1: three days ago. Now at this point, it's a little
37:42
Speaker 1: bit older now, older news. At this point, Lebron James
37:46
Speaker 1: was basically saying, long story short, as far as the
37:49
Speaker 1: ring culture, everybody brings up rings to discredit players nowadays,
37:55
Speaker 1: and it's just making the way we cover basketball or
37:58
Speaker 1: just sports in general a little bit more toxic. So
38:02
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you here, Josh, how do
38:04
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Do you think that's true? And
38:08
Speaker 1: you don't think it's true at all?
38:10
Speaker 2: No, I don't think. I think I think rings can
38:13
Speaker 2: be overhyped. I think I don't think they can be
38:15
Speaker 2: like I think if you don't got a ring, get
38:17
Speaker 2: out the conversation. You know. I just feel like that's
38:19
Speaker 2: that's just like he was trying to have up Steve
38:21
Speaker 2: Nash just because he's on the podcast. But Steve Nash,
38:25
Speaker 2: I mean, never got close to winning or one sover
38:28
Speaker 2: being honest is just like one of those things where
38:30
Speaker 2: you know, he's not argued up there because he's not
38:34
Speaker 2: you know, he's just not there. Like I could argue
38:36
Speaker 2: Tony Parker above Steve Nash because he has four rings
38:39
Speaker 2: in one final MVP as the consistent starter of the year,
38:41
Speaker 2: and then you're out. So it's just one of those
38:42
Speaker 2: things where it's like, no, but when it comes to
38:45
Speaker 2: like rings, like people like Bill Russell, like he's not
38:48
Speaker 2: argued up there, no more, Like I don't want to
38:50
Speaker 2: hear no one, no old man from the seventies come
38:52
Speaker 2: and argue Bill Russell has the greatest player of all time.
38:54
Speaker 2: He wasn't even the greatest of his generation. You know,
38:55
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things. So it's like eleven
38:58
Speaker 2: rings does get that out of there? Like if we're
39:01
Speaker 2: arguing rings, John Havlichek, you know, like that's just the
39:04
Speaker 2: eight rings you know, and twenty six points, like dude
39:07
Speaker 2: was a dog, you know, like he's top ten, he's
39:10
Speaker 2: top like ten and probably like every statistical category except
39:12
Speaker 2: for points. So it's just one of those things where
39:15
Speaker 2: it's like rings no matter. But then we look at
39:17
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's six rings, and that's all the people talk
39:19
Speaker 2: about sometimes for his arguments. That's just not the end
39:21
Speaker 2: of the argument. You know. Lebron still has four, you know.
39:24
Speaker 2: So it's like one of those things. It's like it's
39:26
Speaker 2: just it's it just depends on who you're talking about,
39:29
Speaker 2: Like Kobe has five rings but only to one MVP,
39:32
Speaker 2: you know. So it's just like like sometimes rings can
39:36
Speaker 2: overinflate a conversation. And if you look at like let's
39:40
Speaker 2: say Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, they live off their
39:43
Speaker 2: one ring, like they literally just yeah, any chance they get,
39:46
Speaker 2: they bring it up. So I just think it depends
39:48
Speaker 2: on the conversation that on the argument you're trying to
39:50
Speaker 2: make on whether a ring is over hyped or not.
39:53
Speaker 2: But I just just say that it shouldn't be happening, Like,
39:56
Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Paul is gonna be known as one
39:58
Speaker 2: of the biggest losers of all time. You know, it's
40:00
Speaker 2: just one of It's just one of those things. Charles
40:02
Speaker 2: Barkley's known for that right now, Like he literally has
40:04
Speaker 2: to take that from everybody every time he gets onto
40:07
Speaker 2: a screen, you know. So it's just it's one of
40:09
Speaker 2: those things. You gotta win rings. They's just one of
40:11
Speaker 2: you have to you know. So it's kind of like
40:15
Speaker 2: it's a it's such to use an argument, but you
40:18
Speaker 2: have to win a ring. Like there's a reason why
40:20
Speaker 2: Tracy McGrady one day is going to be forgotten about.
40:22
Speaker 2: There's a reason why Grant Hill's already forgotten about. There's
40:25
Speaker 2: a reason why a lot of players are forgotten about.
40:27
Speaker 2: You know, Paul George is going to be forgotten about.
40:29
Speaker 2: So it's just like you have to win a ring. Well,
40:33
Speaker 2: Steve Nash will eventually be forgotten about. I don't know,
40:35
Speaker 2: like if people like do people talk about do people
40:39
Speaker 2: talk about the Stockings?
40:41
Speaker 1: I feel like MVPs is different though.
40:42
Speaker 2: But is he the all time leading passer and stills
40:45
Speaker 2: in his NBA history about like five thousand, No, he's not.
40:48
Speaker 2: So it's like and now.
40:49
Speaker 1: He's had inflated box scores.
40:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, but inflated by like three thousand, five thousand, like Noah,
40:55
Speaker 2: he was doing that, yes kidding, no, but so no
40:58
Speaker 2: one talks about him, know, So it's just like one
41:01
Speaker 2: of those things. It's like you no, like you have
41:03
Speaker 2: to win, like Karl alone. Like it's like no one's
41:07
Speaker 2: talking about Carmelone right now for.
41:09
Speaker 1: Different for a different reason. Yeah, but nobody's talking about.
41:13
Speaker 2: On the court. I mean, people still talk about Kobe,
41:15
Speaker 2: Let's be honest here, So people talk about ray Lewis.
41:17
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of like one of those things.
41:18
Speaker 2: It's like if you were if you were really that good, bro,
41:21
Speaker 2: you keep going. They and you know what's different between
41:22
Speaker 2: those two guys and him, they both they all they both.
41:25
Speaker 1: There were winners. They want to read you God forgotten about.
41:31
Speaker 2: Like people talk about they don't talk about Carl alone
41:33
Speaker 2: right now. That's just the That's just the truth of it.
41:36
Speaker 1: Karl Malone is known for something else. He's known for
41:38
Speaker 1: off the court.
41:39
Speaker 2: If his player, his son got drafted, so he was
41:42
Speaker 2: doing something right. Really, his son he's got drafted to
41:45
Speaker 2: the NFL, that was still rated to the NFL.
41:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, really years ago, I did not know that. Let
41:52
Speaker 1: me look that up really quick. Karl alone, does he
41:57
Speaker 1: still play for the NML ANDFL.
42:00
Speaker 2: Think he plays in the NFL?
42:01
Speaker 1: In one nfls on Demetrious Bill, Oh no, no, kJ
42:08
Speaker 1: malone kJ malone twenty eighteen. He played for the Saints.
42:13
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, shout out to Breckons team he'd
42:17
Speaker 1: be dropped. No, No, let me not say no, we're no.
42:19
Speaker 1: We're not gonna say no, we're not. No. But I
42:24
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of made an argument as far
42:26
Speaker 1: as why rings kind of can be a bad situation
42:31
Speaker 1: of bringing in sports topics, as far as the biggest
42:34
Speaker 1: thing is the Michael Jordan, the Bill Russell, the John
42:37
Speaker 1: Havevilchek debates. I agree with you as far as that,
42:40
Speaker 1: like when people they just say six and oh, they
42:42
Speaker 1: just take every single context out of it and they
42:46
Speaker 1: just look at purely rings.
42:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you want to make an argument, Larry
42:50
Speaker 2: Bird is own is six and zero against Michael Jordan
42:55
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, you know, So it's like one of
42:56
Speaker 2: those things that's like, all right, Mike, Larry Bird's better
42:59
Speaker 2: than Michael Jordan. You know, he has the stats to
43:01
Speaker 2: prove it too. So it's kind of like one of
43:02
Speaker 2: those things. It's like you know, it's just a dumb,
43:05
Speaker 2: tired argument. You know, Lebron still went to nine. I know,
43:07
Speaker 2: I know they're like, oh, we celebrate second place, but yeah,
43:10
Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to go to nine
43:12
Speaker 2: NBA championships. Like I get like, it's it's harder now
43:14
Speaker 2: for teams to win back to back than it used
43:16
Speaker 2: to be.
43:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it and people they don't realize that it's much
43:20
Speaker 1: harder to win rings. There's a reason why. What since
43:23
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, nobody's went back to back championships. No nobody
43:28
Speaker 1: or actually since twenty eighteen, no champion from the previous
43:32
Speaker 1: year has made it out of the second round. Actually,
43:34
Speaker 1: so that just shows how competitive this league really is nowadays.
43:40
Speaker 1: And I just think that all context is put aside.
43:44
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to stay away from the Lebron and
43:46
Speaker 1: Jordan topic because we always discussed that. But as far
43:49
Speaker 1: as even what they talked about, I think it was
43:52
Speaker 1: Steven A. Smith with Giannis. He said, if Giannis does
43:56
Speaker 1: not win another ring, he will be considered an underachiever.
43:59
Speaker 1: And that's where I think the ring culture has gotten bad.
44:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I think you don't look look
44:04
Speaker 2: at the way the players started their careers. You know,
44:06
Speaker 2: Joannis wasn't supposed to be this great of a player.
44:08
Speaker 2: Joannest was the what thirteenth, fourteenth overall pick in the
44:11
Speaker 2: weakest draft class in NBA history, one of the weakest
44:14
Speaker 2: draft classes in NBA history. Like, he was not supposed
44:17
Speaker 2: to be this good, and he worked hard, got there,
44:20
Speaker 2: picked up basketball late. Like he was a late bloomer
44:22
Speaker 2: when it came to basketball developed, and now he's going
44:25
Speaker 2: to be an NBA Hall of Famer. So to say
44:27
Speaker 2: that he he's going to be a failure, it's not.
44:29
Speaker 2: It's just not what it is. He lived up, He
44:31
Speaker 2: lived up, He exceeded what he was supposed to be,
44:34
Speaker 2: you know, And that's the truth. That's why when we
44:36
Speaker 2: look at like Lebron, Lebron succeeded in every single way
44:39
Speaker 2: possible known to man when it came to expectation. You know,
44:43
Speaker 2: if we're looking at Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan and for
44:45
Speaker 2: being honest, didn't have the same expectation coming into the
44:47
Speaker 2: league that Lebron James had. It just doesn't work that way.
44:50
Speaker 2: He was a number three overall pick and he went
44:52
Speaker 2: behind Sam Bouie, you know, so it's kind of like
44:54
Speaker 2: one of those things in hackem. So it's like it's
44:57
Speaker 2: just kind of like Lebron was straight out of high
44:59
Speaker 2: school with him. It's just one of those things like
45:02
Speaker 2: and then if you look at Shot, he.
45:03
Speaker 1: Was vie sam booie.
45:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and then we look at Kobe Bryant, like
45:08
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant out, We're being honest, outlived expectation. So it's
45:11
Speaker 2: just kind of one of those things. It's it's rings
45:14
Speaker 2: matter to an extent, but to say like players are certain,
45:18
Speaker 2: it came when you're talking about the goat like top
45:20
Speaker 2: ten players, rings matter, like they wholeheartedly matter, you know,
45:23
Speaker 2: like there's it's just one of those things is you
45:26
Speaker 2: can't you can't overlook it sometimes. But when it comes
45:30
Speaker 2: to like the inflated six and zero.
45:32
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he's inflated.
45:34
Speaker 2: It's inflated quite a bit.
45:36
Speaker 1: Like I think, I don't know exactly, I think it
45:39
Speaker 1: shows the lowest that Michael Jordan was ever favored in
45:43
Speaker 1: a Betty Nods was minus five hundred something along those lines.
45:47
Speaker 1: And I think in Lebron and every single one of
45:50
Speaker 1: his finals, even his favorites, he was minus four hundred
45:53
Speaker 1: at best. So it just shows like there was a
45:56
Speaker 1: big difference between who was favorite to win. Michael Jordan
45:59
Speaker 1: was majority favored even by betting nods, and Lebron compared
46:03
Speaker 1: to his he was an underdog. And I think six
46:07
Speaker 1: out of those ten final appearance ten yeah, ten yeah,
46:11
Speaker 1: ten final appearances. So it just shows he wasn't expected
46:15
Speaker 1: to win those and ran ran until the Dynastic Warriors.
46:19
Speaker 1: So it's just I think, like even like the players
46:22
Speaker 1: like below, the players below, like the obviously there's Trace McGrady, Carmelo, Anthony,
46:28
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, those guys just because they did not win
46:31
Speaker 1: a ring, in my opinion, I don't I don't think
46:33
Speaker 1: they're gonna be forgotten about. In my opinion, I think
46:36
Speaker 1: they're gonna be remembered by a certain generation I think,
46:40
Speaker 1: and they're gonna carry that down same same way that
46:43
Speaker 1: the James Worthy it got passed. It got passed that down.
46:47
Speaker 1: I know, I know he won a ring. I know
46:49
Speaker 1: he won rings, but as a third option, if that
46:52
Speaker 1: makes sense, or even a Clyde Drexer won an MVP,
46:56
Speaker 1: he gets passed down. Dominique Wilkins, he gets passed down.
46:59
Speaker 2: But no one talks about those two guys no more,
47:01
Speaker 2: like like if we're being on like, no one around
47:03
Speaker 2: our age is bringing up those guys at all. You know,
47:06
Speaker 2: it's just one of I've never been in a conversation
47:09
Speaker 2: up you know. Something's just one of those things like
47:11
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley still talked about because he's on TV night
47:14
Speaker 2: in and night out, ever being complete, ever being honest,
47:16
Speaker 2: you know, like Reggie Miller, you know, Chris Mullen, Like
47:19
Speaker 2: those guys have been on TV announcing games. That's why
47:21
Speaker 2: they're still there. You know. It's just certain players that
47:24
Speaker 2: were really good during that time just aren't don't get
47:27
Speaker 2: the same love. Like how many people are bringing up
47:31
Speaker 2: Sean Kim, how many people are bringing up Gary Payne,
47:33
Speaker 2: how many people are bringing up you know, John Stockton,
47:35
Speaker 2: Like I said, Carl Malone, you know, no one is
47:37
Speaker 2: really doing that.
47:39
Speaker 1: I think I just think, man, I still think they're
47:43
Speaker 1: gonna be remembered.
47:43
Speaker 2: Obviously, Penny Hardaway. Penny Hardway's brought up because of like
47:47
Speaker 2: like he still was when it comes to coach game, yeah,
47:50
Speaker 2: and influence on the game when it came to his shoes.
47:52
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like either there's a lot of
47:55
Speaker 2: things that have to go hand in hand with you
47:56
Speaker 2: actually remember, like Mellow, Jalen Brunson's taking a lot of
48:01
Speaker 2: the attention away, like ever being like if you want
48:03
Speaker 2: a ring, Mellow would be forgot, we remembered forever. You know.
48:05
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things like now Jylen Brunson
48:08
Speaker 2: is the new guy.
48:10
Speaker 1: He's a new Carmelo Anthony. H Honestly, I think he's
48:13
Speaker 1: like spot on, the next Carmelo Anthony. He's gonna be
48:16
Speaker 1: a guy never win MVP, First Team All NBA, around
48:20
Speaker 1: that area, but never never won a ring. I don't know,
48:24
Speaker 1: but I think the James Harden he's gonna be remembered.
48:27
Speaker 1: The Russell Westbrook, he's gonna be remembered. Those those guys
48:31
Speaker 1: down the line. I think those those guys are definitely
48:33
Speaker 1: gonna be remembered. Who's another MVP that hasn't I'm trying
48:38
Speaker 1: to think m vps that haven't won a ring yet.
48:40
Speaker 1: I think it's just Russ and James Harden. Right, anyways,
48:48
Speaker 1: let's let's let's bring up something else before I end
48:51
Speaker 1: up getting sad on this damn podcast. Is there is
48:57
Speaker 1: there anybody else? Uh? A, well, Shay maybe Shaye maybe,
49:03
Speaker 1: depending on how this year goes? Yo, GigE Embiid? You
49:07
Speaker 1: think Embid's gonna be remembered.
49:09
Speaker 2: I think he will be remember for being injured. No
49:13
Speaker 2: one talks about him being good no more.
49:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is true. What did he get ranked
49:18
Speaker 1: eighty fourth behind Christian Brown something like that?
49:21
Speaker 2: Yeah? Bro, like he he's already like yeah, like he's
49:26
Speaker 2: already been like kinda, he's been treated He's not even
49:29
Speaker 2: treated as one of the best players in the NBA
49:31
Speaker 2: right now, He's treated as like were you using your play?
49:35
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think NBA MVPs. Okay, let me let
49:41
Speaker 1: me do this.
49:41
Speaker 2: How many top how many top tens have you heard? Still?
49:44
Speaker 2: How Joel Embiid in him?
49:46
Speaker 1: Yeah? That is true. Okay, let me just go down
49:51
Speaker 1: the list. I'll go since like the eighties and you
49:53
Speaker 1: just say remembered or forgotten?
49:55
Speaker 2: All right, I mean I'm gonna remember.
49:57
Speaker 1: Even mm hmm. Okay, well, okay, let's just say general
50:03
Speaker 1: consens brought up.
50:04
Speaker 2: In conversation, if they are ever brought up in conversation.
50:07
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go from eighties all the way to right now. Kareem,
50:11
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Julia Servin, no, Moses Malone.
50:18
Speaker 2: Hell, No, no one's bringing up no Moses Malone.
50:21
Speaker 1: Back to back, MVP's eighty two eighty three, Larry Bird, Yeah,
50:26
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. We don't have to bring those up.
50:29
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley TV, Hakeem Elijah On, Yeah, David Robinson, No,
50:38
Speaker 1: not really, wh already discuss MJ Carl Malone.
50:42
Speaker 2: I remember David Robinson because I'm his first fan, but like,
50:46
Speaker 2: no one really brings him up, being honest.
50:49
Speaker 1: Alan iverson culture, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash, he
50:56
Speaker 1: already talked about that. Dirk Kobe, Lebron on We're gonna
51:02
Speaker 1: skip twenty ten to twenty eleven Lebron again, KD, Steph Russ, Russell,
51:10
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's start right here, Russell Westbrook. Will he
51:12
Speaker 1: be remembered?
51:15
Speaker 2: Mmm, I don't know, because I feel like I would
51:21
Speaker 2: say yes, But I feel like if you ask players
51:23
Speaker 2: people around our age back then if certain players will
51:27
Speaker 2: be remembered, they'd say yeah as well.
51:31
Speaker 1: Mister triple double dude, I feel like he has to
51:34
Speaker 1: be remembered like most triple doubles in a single season. MVP,
51:41
Speaker 1: will you know what? Yeah, I kind of see where
51:44
Speaker 1: you're coming from as far as like, obviously we're gonna
51:47
Speaker 1: remember him. It was during our prime of watching watching
51:52
Speaker 1: them play. But in twenty years, in twenty years, will
51:56
Speaker 1: will your kids' kids remember them?
51:58
Speaker 2: I think Mike kids will kids kids. Yeah, but my
52:05
Speaker 2: kids will.
52:06
Speaker 1: They're gonna sit here and learn sports history. James Harden.
52:12
Speaker 1: I feel like James Harden has a better argument than.
52:14
Speaker 2: Russ and the Beard. The Beard and like.
52:17
Speaker 1: Scoring one of the best scores of all time, he's
52:21
Speaker 1: averaging forty.
52:23
Speaker 2: You can't you can't.
52:24
Speaker 1: Forget about that right there.
52:26
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like, Okay, so I feel
52:30
Speaker 2: like MVPs are a little different. You know, wait, did
52:36
Speaker 2: Karl Malone never win an MVP?
52:38
Speaker 1: Yes, he won two MVPs.
52:39
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm tripping. I don't know why I was tripping
52:41
Speaker 2: right there, but hold on, No, But hmmm, like how
52:46
Speaker 2: man people will still talk about ray Allen. Besides, like
52:51
Speaker 2: when you bring up the shot every year.
52:56
Speaker 1: I think people what's crazy is I think people remember
52:59
Speaker 1: him more on the heat nowadays, and they remember him
53:02
Speaker 1: on the SuperSonics.
53:03
Speaker 2: Or the Buzz or the Celtics.
53:05
Speaker 1: Yeah or the Celtics.
53:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, But Celtics erased him from like the history.
53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. They kind of like kicked him
53:14
Speaker 1: to the curb. Yeah no, no, Ray Allen, He's yeah,
53:23
Speaker 1: he's just remembered in Miami, which is crazy. That was
53:26
Speaker 1: his last stop. Was that his last stop? Yeah, that
53:30
Speaker 1: was his last stop there in Miami. Yeah. Uh, I
53:36
Speaker 1: don't know. I think James Man, I don't know. I
53:39
Speaker 1: don't think James Harden and Russell Westbrook are ever gonna
53:41
Speaker 1: win rinks just based on the situations they're in. But
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be remembered russ Let alone for
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Speaker 1: his triple double.
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Speaker 2: Basically, you're gonna have to be like people like us,
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Speaker 2: you know, like like that just studies like stant nerds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, man, but no, they people they don't
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Speaker 1: remember Oscar Robinson. I don't feel like consensus remembers Oscar Robinson.
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Speaker 1: Let's see, we both know Bob Pettitt, Bob Coozy, we
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Speaker 1: know Wilt Chamberlain, Wes Unseld, we know that is Willis Reed,
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Speaker 1: Dave Cowens Well, I guess we it's hard for us
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Speaker 1: to look at this, That's what I'm saying. Like Moses Malone,
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Speaker 1: bro he was him bro, dude, I didn't realize he
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Speaker 1: won in seventy nine. Two. I forgot he won in
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Speaker 1: seventy nine. I thought it was just two MVPs. Bro dude,
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Speaker 1: he was nice. Shout out to Moses Malone and Danny
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Speaker 1: Manning one more time.
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Speaker 2: Well exactly, Danny. We're talking about three time MVP Moses Malone.
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Speaker 2: But like, is he remembered? No, not really.
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Speaker 1: You know, Danny Manning will be remembered in my books.
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Speaker 1: My grandchildren are gonna know about Danny Manning.
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Speaker 2: The last time you talked about Bill Walton.
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Speaker 1: M hm hmmm. I think like a month ago when
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Speaker 1: we were doing we did a draft. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: about a month ago. Yeah, yeah, not that long ago
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Speaker 1: I bring up. Yeah, no, just about nah. But all right, Josh,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of predict here too, because we haven't
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Speaker 1: done this in a while. Are so called MVP? So
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Speaker 1: sh oh, you're gonna go with the basic answer. Ah, okay, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I so called MVP for this one. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand on business with it. I'm gonna say,
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Speaker 1: Aaron Wiggins, Aaron Wiggins, He's gonna have fifteen plus points.
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Speaker 1: If you guys set a parlay on that it's because
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Speaker 1: you decided to do it. You're a grown person. You
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Speaker 1: make your own decisions here, so you didn't have to
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Speaker 1: follow my bed. But Josh, any last words before we
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Speaker 1: get out of.
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Speaker 2: Here, don't ever compare, don't ever corepare womy to check again? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: playoff series after this playoffs liked? No, Yeah, NBA will
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Speaker 2: never average No. Fourteen points in a playoff series. Bro.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he definitely killed the chat versus Wimby hype. Hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: if he wins the championship. No, all I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: that he has more rings than Wimby. We're gonna go
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Speaker 1: back to the whole ring debate.
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Speaker 2: Here Moses Malone, but we don't talk about him, So.
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Speaker 1: All right, before we get out of here, find us
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56:42
Speaker 1: So called sports analyst Bill Walton, He's a goat. Shout
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Speaker 1: it out four times this episode. Well, you listen to
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