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"We are going to win the series!" - Hoggard on the MOMENT England won the 2005 Ashes · The Follow-On

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets podcast
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  Speaker 1: The follow On.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Courtney Walsh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a senior journalist with Fox Sports in Melbourne looking
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  Speaker 1: to the Ashes coming up, and it's an absolute pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to be joined by former England fast baller Matthew Hoggard
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  Speaker 1: played sixty seven Tests for England, two hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: eight Test wickets, twelve of those Tests, almost almost fifth
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  Speaker 1: against Australia and thirty five wickets against the Aussies, and
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  Speaker 1: was a starring member of that two thousand and five
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  Speaker 1: Ashes Series one by England, considered one of the greatest ever.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, mat Thanks for joining the further one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that ways nice to see you. I have to
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  Speaker 3: be surprised though, when I said I was going to
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  Speaker 3: be invited to talk with Courtney Walsh. I was expecting
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  Speaker 3: somebody else, just.
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  Speaker 2: A little taller and a little more.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever play against Courtney Welsh?
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  Speaker 3: Then he will be my first ball in Test cricket,
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  Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? I made my debut against the
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  Speaker 3: West Indies and i'd push forward because it was last
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  Speaker 3: ball of the over. I pushed forward the full defensive
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  Speaker 3: thinking he's going to try and get me out and
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  Speaker 3: the ball went Welcome to Test cricket. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: nearly clew me up.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say I made him once when I
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  Speaker 1: was about eight years old. Net in my head actually
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  Speaker 1: headlines here it's sort of similar, nothing to what you
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  Speaker 1: might have been spoiling, sort of two thousands long as
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  Speaker 1: you've kept yours. But I don't know because I suspected
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  Speaker 1: facing the wis See, these must have been absolutely frightening
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  Speaker 1: giving those legends at their head.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, it was when you when you're a nervous youngster
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  Speaker 3: on your debut at the Home of Cricket at Lords,
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  Speaker 3: I think we needed thirty two win with two wickets left,
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  Speaker 3: and it was Darren Goff and Dominic Cork at the
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  Speaker 3: crease and I was next in. I was chewing my
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  Speaker 3: bat handle. I was fully kitted up because I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: you see my bat in prowess. I wasn't the greatest
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  Speaker 3: and being scared Whitlers going in next. I was just bricking.
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  Speaker 3: I was just yeah, it was. I was so nervous
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  Speaker 3: going in on my Test debut against Courtney Walsh and
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  Speaker 3: the Ambrose as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Curtly, I mean I think Courtney, what
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  Speaker 1: took five hundred and twelve test?
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  Speaker 2: We get some curtly, Well, it must have been.
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  Speaker 3: They were all right, weren't they. They didn't give you
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  Speaker 3: much in your enough.
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  Speaker 2: I never had the joy of facing them, and I'm well,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know if it's a joy. I never
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  Speaker 2: had the.
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  Speaker 3: Frightening.
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  Speaker 2: So but look, I.
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  Speaker 1: Suppose what you as I said, we've got you on
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  Speaker 1: today in part we're doing a special feature sort of
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  Speaker 1: series looking back at the at that iconic series in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I was going through I
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  Speaker 1: suppose some of at least some some great players that
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  Speaker 1: you played against in that series and also with and
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  Speaker 1: figuring out what people are up to, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: what is Matthew hogging up to? And I came across
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  Speaker 1: a link to some motivational speaking, So what what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? You've got I see you've got Hoggies grill
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  Speaker 1: so I knew you were running a business and you've
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  Speaker 1: leaned into the surname there. But what is what is
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  Speaker 1: life like for Matthew Hoggin after what's the motivational speaking about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, retiring from international sport, from professional sport is
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  Speaker 3: hard at the best of times and when you retire
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  Speaker 3: thinking well, what have I done for the last eighteen years,
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  Speaker 3: twenty years? I've run around after a little leather thing.
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  Speaker 3: What qualifications have I got to go on and get
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  Speaker 3: a job, because you have to get a job. And
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  Speaker 3: I tried my hand at insurance. I tried my hand
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  Speaker 3: at foreign currency and I hated every bit of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I had to find my passion, which was eating
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  Speaker 3: and drinking. I spent a lot of time in South
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  Speaker 3: Africa playing cricket when I was young, growing up.
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  Speaker 1: Yore before you, before you played for England, and.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I was. When I was eighteen, I went over
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  Speaker 3: and played club cricket and then that progressed into playing
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  Speaker 3: first class cricket for Orange Free Steak. So I had
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  Speaker 3: Handsy Kronnier as my captain. I had Alan Donald as
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  Speaker 3: an opening bowling. At the age of twenty, I'd only
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  Speaker 3: just got into the Yorkshire books and then now I
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  Speaker 3: was playing with some absolute legends of the game and
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  Speaker 3: learning how to bowler in South Africa. But their lifestyle
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  Speaker 3: because they've got the weather, they've got the woods, they've
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  Speaker 3: got the meat, and just standing around in a backyard
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  Speaker 3: lighting fires, cooking amazing food, chatting, shit, eating and drinking.
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  Speaker 3: I just love that. And I thought, we don't do
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  Speaker 3: it properly. Over England. We see a little bit of sunshine,
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  Speaker 3: we go right, then, let's go to the supermarket with
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  Speaker 3: a crappy sausages, crappy burgers. We pre cooked our chicken
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  Speaker 3: in the oven, and we don't do it right. So
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to elevate people and say you can cook
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  Speaker 3: anything on a barbecue, including Yorkshire puddings, souflets, cakes, and
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  Speaker 3: we opened a business for It's a cooking school on fire,
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  Speaker 3: basically a barbecues, an thing you need to know about barbecues, bries,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them. Girls, we teach how
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  Speaker 3: to cook them and it's absolutely amazing. But then coupled
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  Speaker 3: with that, you said, right then, over the last eighteen
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  Speaker 3: years twenty years, you've been in a team, You've been
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  Speaker 3: in a high performance environment. You've had lots of ambitious
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  Speaker 3: people that are highly driven at the cutting edge of
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  Speaker 3: your of your game, and there's a lot of crossovers
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  Speaker 3: with businesses and everything else. So it's about building teams,
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  Speaker 3: making sure that everybody's got the role in their places.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a long winded answer, isn't it everybody? You're
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  Speaker 3: getting the best out of everybody you've got available.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you touched on you know some athletes who
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  Speaker 1: have difficulties transitioning in terms of the speaking I suppose
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the motivational stuff when you when you
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  Speaker 1: move into that what what listens can you do? Do
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  Speaker 1: you talk to corporates? I think you showed us some
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  Speaker 1: you know, some footage from the background there. I think
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  Speaker 1: you're still buy stuff in the north.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm in the Midlands now. I'm in Lester, smart
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  Speaker 3: bang in the middle of the country, easy for traveling.
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  Speaker 3: But when yorkure sacked me, I captain Leicester for four
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  Speaker 3: years and we thought as soon as we're finished with
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  Speaker 3: we've moved back up north. But we Sarah, my wife,
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  Speaker 3: found a lord of friends, forged a life with herself.
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  Speaker 3: Ernie was happy at school, my lad and it's beautiful countryside,
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  Speaker 3: it's handy for going up and down the country and
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  Speaker 3: we've stayed, which surprised both of us.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's sort of like the LISTI are.
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  Speaker 1: I know Booming, which is a bit further here and.
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  Speaker 3: Just just a little bit further west.
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  Speaker 1: And I am familiar with that sort of great clouds
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  Speaker 1: behind you. But as I said before, I basically I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be showing startings in there be behind you there,
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  Speaker 1: But I suppose well we we we talk about you
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  Speaker 1: pretty briefly and the ashes, you know I talked about
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  Speaker 1: you played twelve tests. I think early on a couple
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  Speaker 1: of those tests were a little rough. I think you
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  Speaker 1: had Matthew.
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  Speaker 3: Hayden who went to Brisbane and went right. Then, it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't rained for three months. It looks a belting pitch.
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  Speaker 3: There aren't being batters are in no form whatsoever. We've
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  Speaker 3: got a young bowling attack won the toss let's bowl
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  Speaker 3: first and I'm blaming NASA. Nothing to do. And that
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  Speaker 3: was the test, my unfortunate Test match that Simon Jones
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  Speaker 3: when went down in the outfielder and did his knee yes,
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  Speaker 3: which cut his his mash series short, which was really
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  Speaker 3: really sad. What a fantastic bowler Simon is. I was
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  Speaker 3: still whatever you want to go. I came across Matthew
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  Speaker 3: Hayden who had just come back after Zimbabwe beating the
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  Speaker 3: world god number. So it was in good form and
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  Speaker 3: I can remember, right, just bowl your best ball and
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  Speaker 3: make them make the big the big shots. So what
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  Speaker 3: I bowled, what I thought was my best ball, went
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  Speaker 3: for four. I went, Okay, no worries, I'll stick to
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  Speaker 3: my plan. I'll ball my best ball again and see
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  Speaker 3: what happened. So I bowled my best ball again and
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  Speaker 3: it went for four, and we went, oh Ship, what
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  Speaker 3: do I do now? So I was, I was fairly
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  Speaker 3: young in my career. I didn't have a plan seeing
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  Speaker 3: D and B and C and D.
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  Speaker 1: So I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was Matthew Hayden, and so I was brought out
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  Speaker 3: of the attack and Craig White came in, who bowled
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  Speaker 3: ninety mile an hour, and it was obvious that Matthew
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  Speaker 3: hated ranking because Hedos just kept on tracking him first
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  Speaker 3: over and smacking him straight back over his head for
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  Speaker 3: six and half of me went, at least it's not
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  Speaker 3: just me and the other half, Oh ship, what the
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  Speaker 3: are we going to do now? So, yeah, I was
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  Speaker 3: my first ASHES experien is over in Australia back in
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and Mornich look today, whatever it was, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't wasn't a happy experience. But so we we
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  Speaker 3: were I think we were four nil down and we
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  Speaker 3: went to Sydney, Steve Warm we won. The fantastic fans
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  Speaker 3: best fans in the world kept on the single on
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  Speaker 3: beating in two thousand and three, so we might we
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  Speaker 3: might be four nil down in the series, but we
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  Speaker 3: weren't beating into it was brilliant. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I had to chet too to Michael Varney, who kept
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  Speaker 1: him in five series and he was he said, I
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  Speaker 1: was asking him about it's a famous moment in I
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  Speaker 1: suppose in Australian cricket history, because Steve Wall makes a
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  Speaker 1: hundred in what you know in that last ball, I
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  Speaker 1: think Richard Dawson outside and I'm told Richard Dawson now
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  Speaker 1: introduced himself.
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  Speaker 3: Met Cunum and these.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Spinner told me that that Richard Dawson himself by saying,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the person who bold that delivered to Steve Wall.
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  Speaker 1: What Michael, what Michael Vaughan was saying was that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a great shot and the atmosphere is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: What people forget is that we actually won that, we
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  Speaker 2: won that test.
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  Speaker 1: They came back to Steve walking in early and and
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  Speaker 1: hey it wasn't a clean sweep and in the BAMI
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  Speaker 1: army must be pretty much pretty good when they're up
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  Speaker 1: behind here saying we're unbeating and it's right now.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was the first innings or
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  Speaker 3: second innings, but I actually got Steve and I can
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  Speaker 3: remember Steve White and Richard Dawson through then diving in
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  Speaker 3: and holding up his non branded bat because he didn't
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  Speaker 3: have a bat sponsor for that Test match, so I
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  Speaker 3: had a clean bat for for for the Test match.
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  Speaker 3: God is going his last one hundred in his last game.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, that's something I have to go back
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  Speaker 1: and have a look at the video. That's that's were
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  Speaker 1: doing something on the Growless moment. So you've you've given
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  Speaker 1: a little tid bit of information there. Yeah, will you
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  Speaker 1: talk about that that you know that that brutality I
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  Speaker 1: suppose leading into this Ashes series, I might get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on a couple of the I supposed the key topics,
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  Speaker 1: and one of them is and it's the same for
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  Speaker 1: you know, Pat Cummins, the Australian captain. He's back backsman
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  Speaker 1: and a bit of time in the nets, so they
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  Speaker 1: think he might make Brisbane. I suppose there's been conconcerns
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  Speaker 1: raised as to whether or not Mark Wooden joffer Archer
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  Speaker 1: will be able to to last the five sort of
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  Speaker 1: tests of the summer. There are some gaps, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's ten days or so between Perth and and sorry
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  Speaker 1: in Brisbane, and then there's another decent break to Adelaide,
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  Speaker 1: but then you get pretty much back to back pretty
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  Speaker 1: quick with the with the MCG and the SCG. How
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  Speaker 1: hard is it for a fast bowler to get through
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  Speaker 1: those five tests in Australia And is it different to
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  Speaker 1: sort of playing.
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  Speaker 2: In the UK. Is it a harder footing?
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  Speaker 1: Like what are some of the testing moments about playing
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  Speaker 1: here compared to say you're trying to get through five
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  Speaker 1: tests at home.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to see you left a fast bowler and
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  Speaker 3: I was just a.
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  Speaker 2: Median fast fall will go within.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as you said that, the concerns around both camps,
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  Speaker 3: obviously the Poms are saying that you're aging attack and
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna gonna take a lot out of the body.
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  Speaker 3: Where we're scared of having warm up games in case
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  Speaker 3: we break down in warm up games, so we've got
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  Speaker 3: them out on the head. And and there's a difference
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  Speaker 3: between playing bowlding in the nets. There's a difference between
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  Speaker 3: playing with your mates, and then playing against foreign opposition,
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  Speaker 3: and then playing in a Test match. There is so
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  Speaker 3: that the intensity and the pressure and the rather and
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  Speaker 3: just the amount of I know, you say, I've put
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  Speaker 3: on hundred percent through my body in nets, and I
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  Speaker 3: put one hundred percent body bowling at the Lions. But
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  Speaker 3: until you get into that first situation where the crowds roaring,
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  Speaker 3: the barmy armies behind you, it's it's the ashes, your
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  Speaker 3: beans are pumping, you got. You can't put yourself in
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  Speaker 3: that situation. So for me, I had to bowl and
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  Speaker 3: get the oars underneath my belt to feel that I
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  Speaker 3: had enough rhythm, enough bowling to bowl well. Other people
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  Speaker 3: like Andrew Flintoff used to pick up the ball ball
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  Speaker 3: three balls in the nets and say right then, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think it's a one solution fits everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's not one blood fits all. I think you have
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  Speaker 3: to be very it's careful of how you're pigeonhole people
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  Speaker 3: and say and this is the correct way around it.
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  Speaker 3: But the hardships in and you see, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: purpoo everything. Because cricket's a right, very very simple game.
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  Speaker 3: It's twenty two yards long. There's bits of wood at
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  Speaker 3: each end, and you're not going to be the same.
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  Speaker 3: The length might change by thirty centimeters. And it's such
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  Speaker 3: a simple game made complicated by the people that play it.
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  Speaker 3: There's all a lot of bold dash around it. I
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  Speaker 3: think the hardship is the intensity. I think the easy
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  Speaker 3: but is the weather. Because yeah, yes it's warm, so
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  Speaker 3: you have to take on your fluid. You have to rehydrate.
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  Speaker 3: But that's why you get put down to third man
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  Speaker 3: and fine leg, not because you were a ship fielder,
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  Speaker 3: just because you have to rehigreate. That's correct, so so
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  Speaker 3: you reh but I found that you didn't. It didn't
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  Speaker 3: take us long to get loose. It was easier on
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  Speaker 3: the body in the warmer conditions because your muscles didn't
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  Speaker 3: get as stiff, you didn't tighten up as much. So
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed playing in the in the warmer weather. Obviously
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  Speaker 3: not the blistering heat, but mid to late twenties was fine.
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  Speaker 3: And the back to back to back is that that
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  Speaker 3: is the hardest. But it's the as a as a
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  Speaker 3: medium fast bawler, I didn't have to have that express
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  Speaker 3: intensity match changing spell because my I swung it out.
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  Speaker 3: I was lying on length. I wasn't going to scare batsman.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't there for my express space. Whereas if you
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  Speaker 3: put somebody in and saying right, then your job is
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  Speaker 3: to bowl express to rough the batsman. Not that is
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  Speaker 3: a different kettle of fish. You're just running up and
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  Speaker 3: be a metronome and work in a length. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the hardest bit, day in, day out, getting
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  Speaker 3: your body in the right space to bowl ninety five
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  Speaker 3: miles an hour, which I've never done, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what that feels like.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask you just one before we get into the
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  Speaker 1: big series, because I mindful the old clock it's chicking.
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  Speaker 1: It was put to me that Injury Flintoff, you touch
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  Speaker 1: on him briefly just before with the three deliveries. But
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  Speaker 1: Bin Stokes, there's a bit of being Stokes, I suppose
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  Speaker 1: in Injury Flintoff during Giant said one thing with flint
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  Speaker 1: Op is that he used to walk in and you
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  Speaker 1: just knew did he given everything in eats up in
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  Speaker 1: the chair, but you know they.
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  Speaker 2: Left nothing at it. He is a skipper, he is
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  Speaker 2: the plier. How important is his summer.
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  Speaker 3: A pivotal to me? As as an old player looking
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  Speaker 3: in I'd hate being captain by him because he kept
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  Speaker 3: on winning the toss on decent decks and bowling first.
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  Speaker 3: What you why are we not batting? But the results
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  Speaker 3: speak for themselves. Is the way he goes around captaincy,
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  Speaker 3: the positivity that he is, the way he inspires winning
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  Speaker 3: bawls when his back, when his field and his three
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  Speaker 3: in one cricketer covers all facets wholehearted. You know that
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  Speaker 3: he will give his all and be very difficult to
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  Speaker 3: get the ball out of his hand because when he's
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  Speaker 3: in rhythm he loves to bawl them long spelts. But
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  Speaker 3: he is also the captain, so he can't take the
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  Speaker 3: ball out of his hands. But that's why he gets injured,
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  Speaker 3: because he gives everything nord to win that game of cricket.
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  Speaker 3: But on top of that, it's the way that he
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  Speaker 3: conducts himself and the way he gets the best out
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  Speaker 3: of his players, because I think the players respond so
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  Speaker 3: much better with him on the pitch and they they
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  Speaker 3: they want to play for Ben, they want to bleed
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  Speaker 3: blood for England for Ben, to make sure that we
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  Speaker 3: come out with the right with the right result in
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  Speaker 3: the end. So apart from his bat in his ball
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  Speaker 3: and his field and in his captains. I think the
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  Speaker 3: team are a lot better with Ben in there, so
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  Speaker 3: no pressure Ben, but I think if he stays fit
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  Speaker 3: for the five five days, our five games, then it
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  Speaker 3: will be very beneficial.
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  Speaker 1: Well could it be twenty years on another tryph victory.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get it onto this great series. I've heard tales
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  Speaker 1: a bit Elton John delivery in champagne after I've heard
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  Speaker 1: stories of it's being hit by the camera bus after
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: a celebration. The first taste heard England looking over at
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the Aussie celebrating the drawer and taking confidence from it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: The great celebrations. You're a serf. These all manner of difference.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I'm or whatever.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: We'd love spilled the dirt, but we'll start like, just
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: run through it first.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: TI.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't worry about the first tis because you know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: What happened, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But what happened is we
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: hit the os Is hard. We hit Langer, we hit Hayden,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: we hit Ponting, and when I say we, it was Harmy.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Harmy hit hay and hit Langer, hit Ponting. And when
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Ricky got hit in the head, not one single person
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: went to see if it was all right, yeah, not
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: blood coming down his cheek. Not one person went to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: see it because we didn't want to just take a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: backward step. We didn't want to get bullied because you
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: look at that side that we played two thousand and five,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: we got Gilcrest coming in at seven seven, you got
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: five wickets down. You're thinking yes with the beginning of
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the tail at guild drift in your boat. I mean
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you're bowling McGrath, Lesbie, Brett Lee and one. You didn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: have a week link. There wasn't a week link in
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: that side, and you were by far the best side
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: in the early two thousands. So we we we knew
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: we had to play on top of our game. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: knew we had to step up and look you in
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the eye and take it, take you on face to face.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So that that incident where we didn't we didn't go
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to see if you are right, where normally we're all
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: apologetic and sorry q open and we bowled out for
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: less than two hundred one, so we knew we could
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: take ten wickets. We knew and it was a decent deck,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: so we knew we could take take wickets. So all
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: we needed to do was score runs, which we didn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: do too well, but it was the start of that
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Ashes series. We knew that we could hurt you, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: we could match you with firepower, we could take wickets.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And then we had KP coming down and tracking McGrath
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and smacking him back into the pavilion. And nobody does
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: that to glenmo Grado. Nobody tracks him and smacks him back.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And KP said, why not, It's just a ball. Don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: play the man, play the ball, and it was great.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Mats were warning down at Hampshire, so he knew that
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: he was sweeping in reverse sweeping. It just changed a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: dynamic of what was achievable against your bawling attack, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: we knew we could take wickets. It wasn't Matthew Hayden
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: coming out and scoring three hundred and seventy r, however
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: many who did at Brisbane. It came out and got
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: hit and got hurt, behaving normally when you're bowl him
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a balance. So he used to go, well, then I
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: have a cup of tea and then I'll put you.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: So to see him get it and see Langer get
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: hit on a on a lord's pitch was was very
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: encouraging for us.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Adam Gilchrist I spoke to and he said that at
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the end of that first test, now you know, he said,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: thinks memories and the change. But he said it was
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: interesting that he doesn't think he had a drink afterwards,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and he said, that's that sid to us as well.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: These guys did sit serious. They want every bit of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: this and so you get to look, you get to uh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the second test, you get to it in the morning.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: You're out warming up and and does the cat and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: bus hit the Aussies. McGray goes down steps on the ball,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: but they win the toss and they send your weep.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what's all that about. We talk about
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: NASA's stupid decision at Brisbane. Rick is decision to send
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: us an edge bast and as stupid. I mean, you
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: just opening, but your best opening bowl has just been
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: cutted off and you've got the best spinner in the world,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Edge Baston, and you decide that you'd bowl first. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Ricky says that it was because we batted so poorly
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: at Lords and our second injury wanted to put our
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: battles back under the pump. Bonney came into the dressing
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: room and said, you know what, same thing because we
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: thought we might have read the right it's the right,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: same thing, but we need to put pressure back onto
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the horsie bowlers a bit like KP did back down
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and we went out and scored four hundred duns. Four
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: hundred duns on the first day one stage KP and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Freddie were having six in competitions. And but also we
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: heard what Shane one thought about his captain's decision to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: bowl first was from KP.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Is that what had happened or.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: You could hear him so so he's just taking shame
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: one out of the first innutes because it's a decent,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: decent deck at edge Bastard. So with the confidence from
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the captain saying might go out and express yourself, you've
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: got the little bit of niggle between the Australian starting
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: at the start of the second Test match with with
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Jane Warton four hundred runs, that's basball, isn't it. That's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: bassball basball?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Chris message if that they also better pretty rapidly times
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and Metty Hayden may better rapidly.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, Gilcrest batted rapidly. But yeah, so to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: go out and score four hundred runs in the first
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: innings was just some and we lost overs as well.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: We didn't play in the entire day. We lost ten
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: or fifteen overs to bad light and so that was
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: a huge confidence boost and that's why we smashed you.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: It's bast by two runs.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Talking out in that last day growing up in Australia
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: played great.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Crickets and he said, no, we're going to done a position,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: surely not videos you have to you have to finish
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: him off. And there was a couple of you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of drop catches. There was some moments
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and but the chance came and I asked the Aussie
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: cricketers back in some vision of that dismissal and.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: He didn't have.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: He didn't have. He's cloud on their best but.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: It was. It was. And Simon Jones a couple of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: was earlier dropped from down at third man and John
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: was one of my best mates. And I was thinking
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: he's going to be crucified the amount of crap he's
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: going to get for dropping the ashes, because if we
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: had lost that Test match, it had been a completely
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: different series because to come back from to nil against
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that side was almost in an impossible situation because you
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: didn't do that against that side, so I thought he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: gonna he's dropped the ashes. And then Bretley smashed the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: ball through covers. We still had an extra cover up
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and I thought, what's kp doing out there? But it
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: was only one and then obviously Kaspovich gloved the ball
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: down the leg side, which he did. He loved it,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: but he didn't appeal, He didn't say it didn't look
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: like he was angry because his hand wasn't He didn't
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: have a clue. So if the bad didn't have a clue,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the umpire just saw the glove. We didn't have a clue.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It was just an amazing relief of energy, thinking, right then,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: we've gone from cruising this game to losing the game
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: to winning the game. And that's what that series was like.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: All the way through the next three test matches that
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: there was ebbs and floors, and there was winners and
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: losers every day. But to finally get over the line
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to go one all against Australia at home, it was
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: it was a huge confidence boost.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You get to you get to old Drafford, warn tastes
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: six hundred wik gets, Trustopic Vaughn, you kept him makes
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty six. McGrath has his worst every
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: figures into his cricket, doesn't take a week at nine
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: for eighty six rain on day three warn he makes
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a ninety pointing Men of the Match in that one.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: But you still almost get them. Lee McGrath survived twenty
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: four balls and it's a draw.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, made you say you've touched on that before. It's
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: when you're so close to winning and you don't quite
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: get them. It's like losing because your expectations you win,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: you win, you win if you if you're gonna draw,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you're gonna lose the game. You put the defensive bowers
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to say out as a batle's fault. It was the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: bowler's fault. It was the umpire as well, the weathersfold.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: You come up with excuses, but if you're gonna win, win, win,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and you don't quite get there, it's like the rugged
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: being pulled out from underneath your feet. And I remember
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Varney pulling us all into the square and pointing at
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the Australian dressing room and you touched on it. There
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: were high five and hugging and kissing like they've won
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the series, not just drawn again against US. They were
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: celebrating like they've won the series against US and they've
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: just held out for a draw. And that's to me
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: when the mighty Australian aura just went. There were just
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: eleven blokes with the same insecurity as the same frailties
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that we had. They were up against the pump, they
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: were under pressure and they were relieved that they haven't
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: lost and Vonnie said, we've gotten by the ding Dan dudes,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: we're going to go on and win the s And
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: to me that that was the Edge Bass and Test
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: match was pivotal. But that moment, there was the time
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: where I thought, you know what, we are going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: go on and win that series. I knew we had
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: a fantastic chance before we started. I thought lords was
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: a little bit of kick in the go nuts. Then
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Edge Baston was okay, like we've we've proved we can
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: do it. Old Trafford. I thought, you know what, at
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the end of the game, we've blown our chance because
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: you don't get second chances against Australia. They're not the
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: side that we'll let you repeat yourself. But then the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: celebrations after that was just a huge confidence boost and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: a real positive momentum shift for us.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: We get to trade bridge.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You take five O the test, but it's bloody tight.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Gary Pratt runs out. Ricky I don't know if you've
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: if you've spoken, Ricky sets and he was pretty rattled
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: by it all, like you know seven and that last
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: day and you and actually Jars go ahead.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: When he's the guide. England felt more confidently. Chris, now.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: That Gary Pratt run out. I was chasing after the ball,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: try to stop it going for a boundary. So I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: sprinting like a blue hours flying to stop it. But
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: it straight to cover and runs. It's a stupid run
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to start with. And he said, we were cheating because
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: one of our balls is off the pitch game. It
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: was in the back of an ambulance going to the hospital.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: So what do you what do you want to do?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Put on another fast ball at the field? Obviously we're
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: going to put you. You don't carry bad fields around
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: to be the twelfth man. So we had a good
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: fielder out, but it is it straight to cover and
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: none was his problem. But yeah, it got tight. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: mean we made them follow on for the first time.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: For first sceneds and knocked them for two hundred and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: nineteen and then they every bend of a two hundred
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, I did take your target.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so one hundred and twenty eight was it? Yeah, yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: so we will lose wickets. I'm a nervous watcher. As
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: we we discussed my first Test match, I was breaking
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: it having to go.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: When you and you walk around, you see or you
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: walk around, what were you doing?
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Like I was in the I was in the physios
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: room hiding. So there's split levels of trumperage. So you're
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: upstairs so there's a changing room, then there's upstairs into
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the physio's room and shower room. And I was in
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the fizzials room listening to it on the radio and thinking, ship,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to get padded up too, So I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: come downstairs to get my pads on. When I say
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Andrew flintoss stumps tumbling towards towards Gilly. Then I saw
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Garret Jones trying to smash him one back into to Leicester.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I had to go back and I'm shit in it,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: shaking like a leaf. You get out into the middle,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: you take a big, deep breath and say right, And
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: this is why we play sports for moments like this,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and this is why we've done all that hard moments
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: like this. So you walk to the middle thinking, you
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: know what, I only need twelve. I can edge twelve.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: So you go over there about you see Gilo. He
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: tells me that Bratley's bowling fairly fast and Shane Want's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: turning it both ways. So yeah, it was a nervous
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: time I saw it. I still haven't watched this series
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: back yet. It's been twenty years. I haven't watched it back.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I've got the DVDs and the cup and everything. I've
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: seen highlights, and there was highlights on the TV the
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: other day and Richard Benno was commentated on and over.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I think I might have scored eight in that over
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: clear two through. I clipped. I put my back in
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the way at Brettley and it went through the covers
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: for two, and then edged him down to find leg
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: for two. And then he bought me a full toss
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: which I've smashed through through the covers and if it
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: hadn't been for the fans going, it wouldn't have reached
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: but scored eight. Richard Benno said that was an over
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: played with a great sense of skill. And maturity from
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Matty Ogd. It's talking about by batting and then Gino
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: next door smashes it was a final and shot. I'll
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: have to do this left left, left handed batter batted
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the four or five, but he smashes it full tosses
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and it hits the shimpads and it should have been
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: for four and has gone on a balcony. I've gone, oh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: We've had to read group. And then it's the funny
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: thing is that I don't back when we win, so
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not normally at the crease. One win. We don't
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: normally win against Australia. We only needed it might have
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: been only one to win.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Jarles has just clipped it into into the peads of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: when you think, haven't it's whapped.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: It where and then and then we're trying to negotiate
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: whether we're on two or three? Uh what happens and
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: walking off with Gilo in front of the boming army
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and the crowds rupting and everything else. To one up
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: in the Ashes series was it was a feeling I'll
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: never forget. It was. Obviously I'm not known for my batting.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: My son rips me about do you know what you
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: were a bowler and everybody only remembers your shot. Wasn't
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: just one shot.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: He's seen the highlights.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's eighteen now, so he's he's.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Allowed to watch it legally. I want to watch you, bat.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: He has to have a beer first though, watching.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So I mean you were too one up, but your
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: job is still to be done. Yeah, I know that that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm told that the forecast have to be dodgy when
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you get to the oval, but you've got to get there.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the upper hand, but but.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: There's a break in between as well. Okay, it wasn't
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: just backed about that. There was about ten days I
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: think in between.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I think it was a setember tests from memory it was, Yeah,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: It was late on, really late, and then it should
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: We've now got a different pressure because we're not catching up.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: We're not trying to be the impostures anymore, where we've
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: now got to win or we don't have to win,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: we have to we have to maintain and that was
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: a it's a different kind of feeling and we're not
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: We were used to it because we were unbeaten in
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four, but not against Australia, so we
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: got as you said we went. There was a little
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: bit of weather around and the biggest thing for me
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: that I remember that Test match was the Australians coming
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: off Hayden. They come up with a bad light a lot.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: What the freak are you doing? You have to win
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: this Test match but you're off and to me that
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: was another white flag surrender. Well it wasn't a normally
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: the Australian push your chest out right, we'll go out
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: and we'll smack it all over because we were on
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: top and I think we were. They were scared of
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Steve Armison, not me. They went in for bad light
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and I couldn't understand that this decision.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Because you basically you've made I think three seventy three
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in the first sities. But I think it was hell
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: before the first time. And then they took light.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Again the second day they took lights.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just couldn't every time they took from that
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Test match, I couldn't understand what they were doing. So
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: so I said, there was two things I remember was
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the Australians taking bad light and KP smashing it. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I say smashing it. His first ball was he went
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: in on a hat trick Glen mcgra and it was
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it got hit on the shoulder and got caught, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: from the dressing room I thought it was out. I
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: thought he'd loved it and all, and he batted like
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: a cat on hop tin roofs. He came in for
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: lunch and Vonnie just went just go out and smash it,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and he did. He went out and he was giving
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: it the old try and pull and up Tait and
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Lee and some of them. He was middling out of
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the ground some of his top edge and shame warn
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: dropped the catch. It was you know, I was a
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: nervous watching batting. That did not help, watching flail his
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: battle bout to all parts, getting dropped, getting half chances
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: smacking it out of the park again. I was hiding
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: in the coaches room this time. So there was a
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: coaches room on the side of the changing rooms and
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: me and Ashley Giles were playing a game of cards.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what cards it was. It wasn't proper
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: playing cards. It was something like misfits or who knows,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: just to try and.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Get straight.
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  Speaker 3: But watching that because that was scary. This this bit
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: was all right. So we were hiding the but Gylo
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: scored fifty. He went out and fift in that so
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: he played remarkably well. I can remember I went out
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: into bat and Brettley he knew when Brettley was pissed
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: off and started getting it and most of all the
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: quickest spelling bowled at me at the Oval and I said,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: have I annoyed you? And he said no, I'm just
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: pissed off where this series has gotten and so and
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: any bowl quite quickly at me at the Oval. But yeah,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: just to see KP and Gilo put on a partnership
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and then to be out there when Glo hit his fifty,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: was again batting well, not my bawling, my batt I
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: remember batting more than my bowling in that series.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think he took four wickets in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that match. I think it was for the series. It
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: was a pretty series of the hundred to go, but yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it was. It was.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: It was a great I remember going back to to
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: trent Bridge. Piers Morgan was sat in front of the wives.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I get put onto bowl and he says, what on
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: earth are we bowling this clown for? And he's in
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: front of my missus, Rachel flint Off. No, no, no,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that's my wife. Rachel Flintoff wrapped him on the shoulder
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and said that Peers, you've got to be careful what
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you say around here because you never know who you
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: sat with. So then I come on the ball. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: take three wickets fairly quickly, and Pears Morgan turns around
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: and says, I think I your husband and apology, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: so I just went, it's all right. My husband's just
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: made you look like a complete and not at tool.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I thought that that's brilliant.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And you know there was we tacked at the start
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: like there were great in the Australian team and then
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: English team. He went through it just fantastic players from
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: from the top to the bottom.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Andrew Flintoff.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Runs twenty wickets, which a think it was the first
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: since both of them around to do that, and to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: do that in that series is a pretty phenomenal sort
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: of performance.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean Freddy had not played against Australia before
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: and he got be in his bonnets and right then
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I want to see how good I actually am and
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: was phenomenal in that series of great talent. Man picked
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: up vital look, it scored some vital ones. But as
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you said, like Ben Stalks, you look to your inspirational
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: players to stand up and be counted. And that's exactly
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: what Freddy did. He stood up and be counted. He
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: got on that. We got on my tips by the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: amount of times he put rocket Man on the on
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the on the speaker, so over time we went out
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: to offer tea or for launch if the rocket Man
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: was blaming out. Hence John and it was his testimonial
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and he got all two and he put and John
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: on two. He got up and sang rocket Man with
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Elton John. It was it was amazing the amount. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: you know, we talk about how good Andrew Flintoff was,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: how good Shane warn was that series, how cricket was
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: was the real winner because although we were on treastful TV,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: we're on front pages, back pages, middle pages. We were
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: on Channel four. The grati gratifying thing. The best thing
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: that came out of that series is that when I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: go around to cricket clubs and do presentation nights or
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: to to do award or you get stopped on a street.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: You said, Joe, I want to thank you because our
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: club had twenty people, twenty youngsters playing cricket before that series.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Halfway through that series we had one hundred and twenty.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: So we inspired a generation to to pick up a bat,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: to pick up a the ball, to get down to
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: their cricket club. And to me, that overrides everything that
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: we inspired a generation to start playing cricket. Joe Route
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: went to second in the leading run scorers, he mentioned
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five in his interview after he'd gone
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: behind Sachin Tendulk, And that is this original. You play
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: sport to leave a legacy and to inspire a generation.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: How many times you see Wimbledon on and you see
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: kids get out of the tennis rackets for two weeks
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and then put them away. So to have people come
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: up twenty years later saying I know where I was
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: during each Test match, twenty or thirty year olds now
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: called thirty odd year olds now coming up and saying
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: you're the reason we started playing playing cricket is why
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you play sport. Yes, it was fantastic at the time
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and it was brilliant, but that we're still talking about
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: it twenty years off. So that to me is the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: best thing about that series.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: In the way you're talking and you talk about Charles
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: and I think when I spected your add he was saying,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: how a group of you guys or a few of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: them caught up recently, you know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: To talk about defect. I mean, it's a pretty a
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: special thing you have.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You have the bass ride to where you have all
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the shenanigans that go on fantastic, but you have the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: lifelong makeshifts twenty easy on the track.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: And it's amazing how you see it in all sports
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: and here about. But as soon as you get back
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: into a room stack you've never been away. The banter,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the camaraderie, the love that you feel for each other,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: it just comes back instantly, which is is why we
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: play sports. It's why we love the game. It gives
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: your lifelong friends and memories. And I've still got the
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: memories to go. And I finally, and I said at
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the time, at the end of two thousand and five,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I'll watch it when I've got grandkids with a pipe.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Sating with your granddad used to be good. I ain't
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: a granddad yet, so.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You can hold on.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm holding on as long as possible. So, yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: twenty years on, still talking about it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, mindfully you've got the beautiful Doberman.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm doing underneath it, and.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: He's ready to go.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: So I'll ask you right there, he's ready to go
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: for a big walk out in those fields. So I'll
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: ask you one last one before we go. What's going
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to happen this summer?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: So there's going to be results in every game. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: think your pictures a result wickets nowadays.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I think would you have liked your ball on those
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: ones better?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Better than the ones that were flat? I think both
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: ball and attacks will take twenty wickets. I don't think
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: our our batters will now wondering not to be rooved
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: against your top five. But it's not a right. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: can name you the top five and you can put
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: them in any order and we'll be all right. Before
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: the Test selection you couldn't name them. So the batting
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: is going to be the weaker link for you. Results
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: in every game, we're going to win one more than.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: You three to two or is it to wash out
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and Sydney as always?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like playing in Manchester?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Is it like?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Now we've got I've got to say it's been an
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: absolute thrill and I really appreciate the walk down memory Line.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, a pleasure to have you on the follow
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: on and look forward to UH to see what nfolds
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of the summer. But you take that one for a walk.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. Enjoy enjoy watching it live.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time with There's