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Monday Mini: Kanye, Why? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: we're gonna put a time stamp on today's episode just
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Speaker 1: because we are talking about current events and we're not
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Speaker 1: necessarily going to talk about all of the drama of
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Speaker 1: this current event, like we're not focusing on analyzing anybody's relationship.
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna talk about some of the stigma of
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Speaker 1: it and why it's important that we do have these conversations.
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Speaker 1: So today is March three two, it's much for the
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Speaker 1: fifth the eyes of March or does that exist? And
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Speaker 1: I just made that up. It isn't think I think
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Speaker 1: it's the fourth, but I don't know. I have not
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Speaker 1: thought about that in a very long time. You're welcome,
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Speaker 1: just because it isn't the forefront of my mind for
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Speaker 1: some weird reason and dates, you know, some odd reason. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's in the forefront of my mind. I don't know dates,
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Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, I was like, Hey, tomorrow's sides
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Speaker 1: of March and there's a whole other complications did that
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Speaker 1: that I know very little about the history, So always
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Speaker 1: good to bring up something you know very exactly. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: just so you know, it's March third, not March four today,
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Speaker 1: and honestly, we just have to start with that time
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Speaker 1: stamp um do a content warning because we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: a conversation on this Monday many about stalking, domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: and the term divorce violence. Yeah. So there's a lot
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Speaker 1: going around in the world, and it's not great. Things
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Speaker 1: seems to be again another dumpster fire of events that
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Speaker 1: have happened. You know, coming into the last three years
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Speaker 1: we've done really bad and being like next year is
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Speaker 1: gonna get better. Uh, we're still here, so we're grateful
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Speaker 1: for that, but it's not necessarily better. We've bet what
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Speaker 1: we've learned is just different, right, Yeah, And there's a
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Speaker 1: lot to talk about in general, just about the controversies
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Speaker 1: that are happening. I feel like, yes, this is obvious
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Speaker 1: that we are always living in making of history, but
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Speaker 1: I feel like these are significant points in our lives
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Speaker 1: that we're gonna be talking about for years to come.
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Speaker 1: A lot of things are happening. Andy and I are
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Speaker 1: honestly having a lot of discussions on how to approach
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Speaker 1: it in the best way to not only get good
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Speaker 1: information but also highlight the people in the marginalized community
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Speaker 1: who are affected in a different way or in a
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Speaker 1: you know, in a way that is outside of everybody's
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Speaker 1: everyday mindset. Because we would like bringing in different perspectives,
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Speaker 1: that's what we like. But before we do all of
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Speaker 1: the world changing events, so we did want to take
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Speaker 1: some time to talk about this whole Kim and Kanye
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Speaker 1: and now Pete Davidson's situation and guys were not here
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Speaker 1: to talk about the gossips and behind the things. And yes,
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Speaker 1: have I been keeping up. Yes, for me as someone
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Speaker 1: who does enjoy some celebrity gossiping like oh what's going
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Speaker 1: on year? What are they doing? I have kept up
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Speaker 1: with what's going on. But more so I can't lie.
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Speaker 1: It's coming from like a social work perspective and as
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Speaker 1: a feminist perspective. Right, any So, just quick rundown just
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Speaker 1: in case you didn't know what this is, because this
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Speaker 1: is very privileged American centric situation that we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Because again, there are more important things and we want
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Speaker 1: to acknowledge that, but still want to take some time
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Speaker 1: to talk about the implications of the situation. Kim and
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Speaker 1: Kanye are getting divorced. We saw Kanye having some moments
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Speaker 1: when he decided he was a Trump supporter, and then
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Speaker 1: he went on to decide that he wanted to run
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Speaker 1: for president himself, made some really biased and uneducated and
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Speaker 1: ignorant claims during his campaigning. UM, and we're not gonna
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Speaker 1: go over all of that. There was a lot of concerns.
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Speaker 1: People were talking about his mental health, talking about what
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Speaker 1: was happening. As In fact, Kim during that time did
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Speaker 1: address and talk about the fact that it is complicated
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Speaker 1: being in love with someone with mental health diagnosis and
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Speaker 1: talking about it in a way of loving and supporting
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Speaker 1: them and making sure that we are all aware without
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Speaker 1: exploiting it and without excusing their behavior. So she did
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Speaker 1: have a good statement about that. Because we know that
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Speaker 1: he has come out and said that he has been
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with bipolar disorder. We know that he went through
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Speaker 1: a lot of trauma with his own wreck, with his
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Speaker 1: mother dying, so many complications in his life, lots of
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Speaker 1: trauma all of that. UM. We also know that Pete
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Speaker 1: Davidson has also come out and talked about his bipolar
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Speaker 1: diagnosis and how important it was for him to get
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Speaker 1: back on his medications and therapy and what it was
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Speaker 1: for him to get into that point in his life.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of this has stemmed around the fact
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Speaker 1: that it also brought drama to uh their children, their families.
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Speaker 1: It was on television because we know Kardashian's had a show,
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Speaker 1: and they apparently re upping the show on a different network.
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Speaker 1: We have talked about the complications of Kim Kardashian's appropriation
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Speaker 1: as well as some of the implications of her span
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Speaker 1: Kong as well as her entire family, body images, all
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Speaker 1: of that, so you know there's a whole thing behind them.
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Speaker 1: This divorce has gotten really ugly and really public, and
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Speaker 1: part of that is because Kanye has brought it into
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Speaker 1: social media level publicity, whether it's talking about Instagram, talking
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Speaker 1: about on Twitter, whether he's doing videos. He's doing it
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Speaker 1: as albums. Um Donda one and two has had plenty
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Speaker 1: of noteworthy lyrics. I guess you can say about the
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Speaker 1: complications of their relationship and where they are. Um, we
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Speaker 1: know that he has stated that he has not talked
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Speaker 1: about or seen the documents for their divorce at one
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Speaker 1: point in time. We know that it's gotten so complicated.
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Speaker 1: Kim has asked in petition to be claimed as single
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Speaker 1: so that she can move on with her life because
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Speaker 1: he has been so confrontational with the divorce. He has
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Speaker 1: alleged that he is being kept away from his children
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Speaker 1: and not having say so. He's kind of done this
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Speaker 1: thing where he has been alleged to be weaponizing black
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Speaker 1: fatherhood against Kim. And I'm not gonna say whether he
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Speaker 1: or there, whether or not that's true or not. There
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Speaker 1: has been a lot of conversations of Okay, where is
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Speaker 1: the line to be drawn here, whatever, what not. Of course,
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Speaker 1: there's too many advocates and fans of Kanye saying be
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Speaker 1: patient with him. He's going through some things. To be
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Speaker 1: patient he's having you know, he does have a mental
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Speaker 1: health diagnosis. We need to be patient and calmly watch
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Speaker 1: what's going on. To the fact that people are just
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Speaker 1: dismissing it, saying that he's just being erratic and is
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Speaker 1: fine and uh, he's getting over it and this is
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Speaker 1: how he's processing, uh, dismissing it to the point that
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Speaker 1: Kim is having to readdress it on social media as
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Speaker 1: well to being like, hey, I really wanted to take
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Speaker 1: this offline. I really wanted to be handled, but please
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Speaker 1: know this is all dangerous, uh to myself to my
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Speaker 1: family and to Pete Davidson, who really just came in
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Speaker 1: as I like him, he likes me. So hope that
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Speaker 1: was that a good rundown for you, Annie? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think so. I think so. I think I've said before, Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but my phone I think this
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Speaker 1: has become kind of a trite conversation that's kind of
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Speaker 1: a running joke. But my Google alert seems to think
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Speaker 1: that I need to know everything there is to know
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Speaker 1: about Pete Davidson, even though I don't think I've clicked
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Speaker 1: on anything about him in my entire life. So I
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Speaker 1: feel very like I get updates about it often. I
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Speaker 1: saw today the music video came out. Kanye's music video
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Speaker 1: came out about like bearing Pete Davidson alive and these
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Speaker 1: streats and the whole Instagram shutting down thing, which has
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Speaker 1: been on my mind of if you don't know about this,
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Speaker 1: kind of Kanye fans shut down Pete Davidson's new Instagram
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Speaker 1: account after Ariana Grande fans kind of shut down the
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Speaker 1: last one, and kind of that toxic fandom level of yeah,
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Speaker 1: really harassing people, right, Um, And here's that difference though,
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Speaker 1: like the are you on a grande, but she didn't
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Speaker 1: say exactly as where Kanye actually did exactly. Not only
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Speaker 1: did he tell his fans to harass both Pete Davidson
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Speaker 1: and Kim, he also went on after he deleted his
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Speaker 1: Instagram account, said I chased him off, like he took
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Speaker 1: credit pride in that, and yeah and credit in that,
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Speaker 1: saying that he was able to do this and yes,
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Speaker 1: this new video which does depict him just kidnapping him,
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Speaker 1: murdering him, and uh like flaunting it. Um, there was
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Speaker 1: a lot of nos that like oh yo, and even
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Speaker 1: to the point that his fans are now coming back
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Speaker 1: like a maybe we should back up. Wait, wait, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Kanye, wait a minute. This is it was
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Speaker 1: a little too much, like even though you told us
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Speaker 1: to beat him up, still a little too much. And yes, again,
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Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing the fact that mental health does play
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Speaker 1: a big part in this conversation specific conversation, and we
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Speaker 1: can't excuse this type of behavior though. That's the other
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Speaker 1: part to that is, yes, it's heavily, heavily you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of mental health conversations that we need
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Speaker 1: to be having and addressing that. But there and again
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Speaker 1: there's also a heavy like underlying of toxic masculinity in
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Speaker 1: this conversation. So again reminder, both Kanye and Pete Davidson
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Speaker 1: have been open about their diagnosis and about what it
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Speaker 1: is and how it affects them, but that's not necessarily
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Speaker 1: what we're addressing. What we're addressing is this type of
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Speaker 1: manipulation and toxic masculinity that happens within relationships, especially when
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Speaker 1: we're talking about hetero CIS relationships like Kim and Kanye.
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Speaker 1: And what I very concerned about because honestly, someone tweeted
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Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, it's starting to give off O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson Nichol Simpson vibes. And we know, ironically that the
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Speaker 1: Simpsons were close with the Kardashians from way back when,
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Speaker 1: and they were involved in that whole trauma and the uh,
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Speaker 1: the tragedy that happened from the Simpson case, and so
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like, oh wait, this is getting too familiar,
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Speaker 1: because at first it was just people want to watch
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Speaker 1: a train wreck, you know, like, oh no, here it
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Speaker 1: comes to okay, maybe we should be concerned, Maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: we should actually have this conversation and yeah, and the
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Speaker 1: thing is, I just just googling, like the mere googling
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Speaker 1: that you can do to find out about de Mexican
10:34
Speaker 1: violence cases. Y'all know, we've done many episodes about statistics,
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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to uh gender violence and what
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Speaker 1: these statistics look like and who are the most affected
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Speaker 1: and who are the most at risk. According to one reports,
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Speaker 1: between fifty and seventy of partner lethal violence cases in
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Speaker 1: the United States, Canada, and Australia are associated with separation
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Speaker 1: and divorce. So that's a huge statistic for a small
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Speaker 1: all group of people, Like, yes, there's some divorce and
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Speaker 1: separations happen, but it's not that often that we can
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Speaker 1: be like that's so common as much as like just dating,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Separated women are six times
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Speaker 1: more likely to end up being killed by their partners
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Speaker 1: um and when separation is pending, the risk tends to
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Speaker 1: be even higher. Women's leaving long term relationships are also
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Speaker 1: more likely to be victimized, perhaps a consequence of men's
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Speaker 1: emotional investment in long term relationships. And I feel like
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Speaker 1: this conversation, this specific stat that I pulled his the
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Speaker 1: nail on the head for what we're seeing with Kim
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Speaker 1: and Kanye. What we're seeing is his complete manipulation and
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Speaker 1: his complete overall inability to walk away from an emotional investment.
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Speaker 1: And actually we hear it in all of his lyrics
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Speaker 1: and his songs, and he is hyper focused in controlling
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Speaker 1: this narrative. And I think one of the things when
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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this, because you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a part I just saw a headline. I see
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Speaker 1: a headlines off and I don't click on them, so
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Speaker 1: I don't know the full context. But it was saying,
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Speaker 1: like Kim and Kanye, who I guess goes by ya
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Speaker 1: now but calling him Kanye. They we're able to use
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Speaker 1: each other masterfully in this kind of celebrity sense of
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Speaker 1: like building up their brand. But when I hear him
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Speaker 1: talk about her as if she is a possession that
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Speaker 1: he has lost, that he has a right to, that
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Speaker 1: he should get back, that Pete Davidson stole her from
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Speaker 1: him and therefore must die or be beat up, like
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Speaker 1: these sets of violence. Like he's talking about her like
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Speaker 1: she is a possession, And that is very, very frightening
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Speaker 1: to me because he doesn't. Again, it sucks like I've
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Speaker 1: had this conversation before, because I've had close relationships with
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Speaker 1: people who have mental illnesses that sometimes put you in
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Speaker 1: not so great situations. And it's kind of it's hard
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Speaker 1: because it's not really their fault, it's not really your fault,
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Speaker 1: but it's also bad behaved, like it's complicated. But he
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Speaker 1: seems to be talking this way without like he doesn't
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Speaker 1: realize the problem of what he's doing right right, And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly the point. The other part too, that is
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Speaker 1: he doesn't recognize what he's doing. The back and forth,
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Speaker 1: the deleting of everything, the impulse to post these things,
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Speaker 1: like all of all of that is very very dangerous.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it kind of like, Okay, at what point, yes,
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Speaker 1: do we say he doesn't understand exactly what he's doing,
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Speaker 1: but at the same time he is weaponizing it in
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Speaker 1: a certain way, So what what point do we hold
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Speaker 1: him accountable? So there's his conversation of yes, there's definitely
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Speaker 1: both sides to whatever. But as we see him talking
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Speaker 1: about what he owns or who he has and what
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Speaker 1: is his and how he's not it is it's this
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Speaker 1: whole elaborate tradition that has harmed our society in our
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Speaker 1: way of thinking. As in fact, that same report, which
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Speaker 1: apparently is about a review for a book that was
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Speaker 1: written in a Twitter that was really I think written
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Speaker 1: twety seventeen. It's called Abusive Endings, Separation and Divorce, Violence
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Speaker 1: against Women, And even within that review of the book,
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Speaker 1: they go on to talk about how Western cultures have
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Speaker 1: historically supported male possessiveness, as you're saying, a romanticized images
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Speaker 1: of jealous men are present in both American and European
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Speaker 1: mainstream media. Male possessiveness and jealousy can become dangerous as
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Speaker 1: women attempt to leave abusive partners. And again here we
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Speaker 1: go that that kind of just we don't know that
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Speaker 1: it was DV of any source domestic violence or any
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Speaker 1: abuses like that. There was never that alleged, that was
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Speaker 1: never said. We've definitely seen him becoming quote unquote Christian
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Speaker 1: as he said, and trying to moderate what Kim wears
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Speaker 1: and talking about how he's ashamed of these things. But
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Speaker 1: we've also seen him slut shaming his previous partners, such
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Speaker 1: as Amber Rose talking about he needed a shower, ten
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Speaker 1: showers before he could get together with Kim, Like it
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Speaker 1: was just all of these things like whoa, whoa, You
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Speaker 1: sexualize them when you're with them, try to control that
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Speaker 1: narrative and possess them, and then when you leave them,
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Speaker 1: you slest shame them. Do we need to have this
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Speaker 1: conversation again, But but this whole narrative of like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: go get what's yours, because I've seen within these same
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Speaker 1: posts people encouraging him, yeah, to do so because it's
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Speaker 1: what God wants. God wants him to have his household,
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Speaker 1: and that is very possessive. And that's a whole again
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Speaker 1: when we talk about religion. I'm sure we'll talk about
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Speaker 1: it again, but the implication is we are seeing very
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Speaker 1: very clear a prime example of when men think that
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Speaker 1: this is acceptable because because it is manly, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean that this is the definition of being
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Speaker 1: a man. Again, talking about how he has slept shame
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Speaker 1: so many of his past relationships, including again Amber Rose
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Speaker 1: was one of those. He even sexualized Taylor Swift during
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Speaker 1: one of his videos because they had a whole controversy.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other a conversation which you know, Kim
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Speaker 1: was problematic in that she was absolutely a part of that.
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Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know either, I don't care enough.
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Speaker 1: I didn't invest in that situation at all. But We
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Speaker 1: know it's still at the forefront of his mind because
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Speaker 1: he continues to bring that up, as well as the
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Speaker 1: fact that, yeah, that one video, what was the need
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Speaker 1: to have a look alike naked like? Obviously there's something
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Speaker 1: to that to be said that he needed to dominate
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Speaker 1: in a sexual manner in this narrative. Whatever. I loved
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Speaker 1: this one blog post written by Lovey Gi E jones
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Speaker 1: Um And I know y'all know who she is because
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Speaker 1: she is an amazing writer, but she wrote specifically and
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Speaker 1: I wanted to read this uh in in February fourteen,
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Speaker 1: so Valentine's Day about Kim Kanye and who deserves abuse?
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Speaker 1: And this is the other point that I didn't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about. To be a woman who was worthy
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Speaker 1: of it being abused or harmed, you need to be pious, flawless, perfect,
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Speaker 1: You need to be a saint who's never worn skippy clothes, custed,
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Speaker 1: or made a mistake. And Kim Kardashian is none of
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Speaker 1: those yet and still she doesn't deserve the harassment and
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Speaker 1: abuse getting from Kanye publicly. The very rich and very
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Speaker 1: powerful father of her children has dedicated weeks to publicly
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Speaker 1: lambasting her and her new boyfriend after buying a house
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Speaker 1: across the street from her to further keep tabs and
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Speaker 1: then tagging her relentlessly to meltdowns and tantrums. If this
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Speaker 1: is what he's doing to her in public, what's he
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Speaker 1: doing and saying to her privately? How has he been
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Speaker 1: harassing her that we cannot see. She does not deserve
17:44
Speaker 1: this treatment, and to say she does is to dehumanize her.
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Speaker 1: We gotta like him, and as she put, I have
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Speaker 1: been very critical of her over the years, But to
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Speaker 1: say she deserves this when this is something that involves
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Speaker 1: the kids and something that she actually seems to want
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Speaker 1: to work out in private is odd. What we are
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Speaker 1: once again telling women is that you had your abuse
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Speaker 1: coming because you weren't flawless in the past. That's not okay.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying this is her karma
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Speaker 1: or she deserves this, and I find it cruel. We
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Speaker 1: act as if women have to earn the right to
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Speaker 1: be abused, like you need to be worth abuse, like
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Speaker 1: we need to audition for our dignity and humanity. We
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Speaker 1: tie likability to being defended when harmed and it's dangerous,
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Speaker 1: like we don't wake up every day and the breast
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Speaker 1: in our bodies cause people to violate us. Even our
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Speaker 1: abuse is tied to what people consider our worth. Some
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Speaker 1: people are saying, she knew what she was going to
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Speaker 1: get with Kanye. You knew what you were going to
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Speaker 1: get with your trifling X too, but you still went
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Speaker 1: there and they still did you wrong, and you still
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Speaker 1: deserved empathy too. Why are we acting like we don't
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Speaker 1: make terrible decisions in love too? Why do we act
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Speaker 1: like we haven't discarded someone's known history and still entangle
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Speaker 1: with them. Come on, don't forget your messed a past
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Speaker 1: and act like you're above it. We stand on pedestals
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Speaker 1: made of stand Often one thing we're gonna do blame
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Speaker 1: women for the harm that comes to them. And it's
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Speaker 1: not okay. She talks about examples he hit her in
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Speaker 1: the face, Well did she get mouthy with him? She
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Speaker 1: got raped? What what was she wearing? She's being abused? Well,
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Speaker 1: maybe she shouldn't be an attention whore. We constantly show
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Speaker 1: girls and women they have to earn safety and protection,
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Speaker 1: which we've talked about that who we are needs to
19:28
Speaker 1: be unblemished for us to be worth defending that we
19:31
Speaker 1: cannot expect anyone to help us if we have not
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Speaker 1: led a life free to send. And as people laugh
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Speaker 1: about Kanye's antics, there are folks and their lives taking notes,
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Speaker 1: knowing that those people are not who they can go
19:43
Speaker 1: to if something like this happened to them. There are
19:46
Speaker 1: friends who are taking notes to not share that deeply
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Speaker 1: painful experience they went through with you. There are nieces
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Speaker 1: in your life who thought they could come to you
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Speaker 1: in their worst moments, and you told them close and
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Speaker 1: without them justify why they didn't deserve their abuse. Kim
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Speaker 1: is wealthy, but her money cannot fully protect even her.
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Speaker 1: She's still a woman who lives in a world that
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Speaker 1: is not built to protect you from the whims of
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Speaker 1: men who have deemed you as their property, especially not
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Speaker 1: a man who is equally as rich. Kanye is a problem.
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Speaker 1: He has a history of this type of harassment against
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Speaker 1: the women who walk away from him. He publicly disrespected
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Speaker 1: Amber Rose too, and then he faces zero consequences for
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Speaker 1: his out of pocket behavior against the women who say
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Speaker 1: I'm done. We're being entertained by Kanye's antics, But I
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Speaker 1: feel for the mother who's watching her kid's father melt
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Speaker 1: down and use her as target practice. And for the
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Speaker 1: woman who sees the world celebrating her tormentor again, that
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Speaker 1: is a levy a gi E. Jones, and definitely should
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Speaker 1: go and follow her all of those things, because I
20:48
Speaker 1: there's no way better that I could have put that,
20:51
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that needs to be stated. Again,
20:54
Speaker 1: this is not about necessarily straight about Kanye and Kim.
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Speaker 1: This is the overall things that we've seen, um and
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Speaker 1: the dangers that women are placed when separations and divorces,
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Speaker 1: and the fact that there's a term called divorce violence
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Speaker 1: should make you aware that this is under estimated so often.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that we if we are supporting those rants.
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Speaker 1: She's absolutely right in that we are telling those around
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Speaker 1: us that if you do not have the perfect record
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Speaker 1: of being the angel, virgin girl, Holly above everything, then
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Speaker 1: you're not worth our empathy. Yeah. I think that's a
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Speaker 1: really powerful and good point because we talked so often
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Speaker 1: about like the perfect victim and victim blaming, and even
21:40
Speaker 1: though this is it feels kind of removed from us
21:44
Speaker 1: because it is this huge, huge celebrities. It's still something
21:48
Speaker 1: we see all the time and we don't see all
21:50
Speaker 1: the time from people who aren't famous, but like this
21:52
Speaker 1: idea that she is very, very wealthy, but people are
21:55
Speaker 1: so ready to dismiss hers, like almost like the vibe
21:59
Speaker 1: get is well, look at her right, like she's very
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Speaker 1: traditionally sexy, and so it's kind of like, oh, well,
22:08
Speaker 1: I mean, look at her. Good for him, Like it's
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Speaker 1: it's really toxic conversation and attitude we have towards that.
22:17
Speaker 1: That's true. And you know, I want to also add
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Speaker 1: because I find this interesting, the double standard that he
22:22
Speaker 1: has placed on himself, and no one's really talking about it.
22:23
Speaker 1: I mean, some people are talking about it obviously, but
22:26
Speaker 1: the fact that he's been dating from jump technically he
22:30
Speaker 1: was already hooked up with a model supposedly on his birthday,
22:34
Speaker 1: and then he's had I think two other relationships one
22:36
Speaker 1: which he I think both of them have he told
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Speaker 1: them to flaunt it. Allegedly, that's what the ladies are saying,
22:42
Speaker 1: and that he wanted to show off their relationships, and
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Speaker 1: Kim has been completely quiet, and essentially it's like, yeah,
22:50
Speaker 1: do your thing. According to the documents that she filing
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Speaker 1: for singlehood, essentially was like I want him to live
22:56
Speaker 1: his life and keep move on, so I can do
22:59
Speaker 1: the same. But It's really funny how he's completely targeting
23:02
Speaker 1: Pete Davidson and ignoring the fact that he's using other women,
23:07
Speaker 1: which is just painful to those women, which I am like,
23:09
Speaker 1: oh my god, why would you do this when it's
23:12
Speaker 1: very obvious what he's trying to do. Yeah, and we
23:15
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about that, but I've seen and I
23:20
Speaker 1: feel terrible. Again. I don't like click on head blind
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Speaker 1: to see the headline, so I don't know, like the
23:23
Speaker 1: full extent of the situation. But I the woman he
23:26
Speaker 1: is currently with is frequently referred to as like the
23:29
Speaker 1: Kim look alike, right right, which is also that's very
23:34
Speaker 1: dismissive and weird, right, she's being referred to that way.
23:38
Speaker 1: I don't know her name, like, and I don't know
23:41
Speaker 1: what deal she's gotten into and maybe she's done this
23:43
Speaker 1: and that, Like, yeah, I agree, let's do this, because
23:45
Speaker 1: I can't imagine you go into a relationship with Kanye
23:49
Speaker 1: ya um and seeing all his posts and seeing all
23:52
Speaker 1: the articles or whatnot and not know what's happening. So
23:56
Speaker 1: but at the same time, oh, I wouldn't yeh feelings,
24:00
Speaker 1: so are my feelings a lot the other woman? And
24:05
Speaker 1: now like, oh my gosh, there's so many things we
24:07
Speaker 1: could talk about with this, because I totally forgot too
24:09
Speaker 1: that again it's kind of a joke, but people are like,
24:13
Speaker 1: what's going on, Pete Davidson? How is he able to
24:16
Speaker 1: get all these women? And what was that? Somebody was
24:20
Speaker 1: telling me like, well, if he could get Kim Kardashi
24:24
Speaker 1: and then don't you want to be with him? And
24:26
Speaker 1: I was like, what, what you know? He? I think
24:32
Speaker 1: was the beginning of the conversation of big dick energy. Yes,
24:34
Speaker 1: he was my friend, A good friend of mine educated
24:39
Speaker 1: me on all of this recently, and I was like,
24:43
Speaker 1: why are we looking up dick sizes? I don't need
24:45
Speaker 1: to know this. I don't. However, all of that to
24:50
Speaker 1: say is that coming back that we we we were
24:52
Speaker 1: paying attention and we need to have this conversation because
24:54
Speaker 1: we're not having that conversation enough that how fragile the
24:59
Speaker 1: male ego is us that puts women in danger and
25:02
Speaker 1: this is that prime example of what it is, and
25:05
Speaker 1: we can't just dismiss it as mental health needs. Again though, yes,
25:09
Speaker 1: there's giant red flags and we need to talk about that,
25:11
Speaker 1: like with that and what that looks like. But we
25:14
Speaker 1: know plenty of people Pete Davidson right now, is that
25:17
Speaker 1: example of he has the same diagnosis. Of course it's
25:20
Speaker 1: differing in different people, but he's managing it, you know.
25:24
Speaker 1: That's that's the things that he's been dumped a lot.
25:28
Speaker 1: He's been dumped a lot, and I've never seen this
25:31
Speaker 1: level of acting out for him, who has pretty severe
25:37
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. Again, different people, different things, different backgrounds. We
25:41
Speaker 1: know all of that has displayed. But just like in
25:45
Speaker 1: any case of violence, going into leaning into saying that
25:49
Speaker 1: it was because of a mental health diagnosis caused this,
25:52
Speaker 1: that's able us And we're not going to go into
25:54
Speaker 1: that narrative either, right right. And I would really love
25:58
Speaker 1: to come back and talk about that romantization of possessiveness
26:02
Speaker 1: and men, because I think that's also good. Like that,
26:06
Speaker 1: I think you don't have to read that book even
26:07
Speaker 1: though it's a psychology a book and one of the
26:09
Speaker 1: authors is a man. Still Like, yeah, for sure, I
26:14
Speaker 1: think so, because I you just see it all the
26:16
Speaker 1: time and like our romance stuff, Um, well a lot, sorry,
26:22
Speaker 1: it is a lot, and we have a lot of
26:25
Speaker 1: other avenues we could we could go down with this
26:28
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26:30
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