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Jim Bowden grades Devers deal & talks Ohtani’s return · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Giants have won the trade deadline
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Speaker 1: on June and fifteenth, they get an eight plus? Are
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Speaker 1: you kidding me?
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Speaker 2: Front Office, unfiltered resident GM. Jim Bowden is here. This
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Speaker 2: is the good stuff, JB. We got two big topics.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Devers trade. I can only imagine
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Speaker 2: your face and your reaction when you saw this last night,
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Speaker 2: So weigh it for us grade the trade?
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how a team can trade their
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Speaker 1: star players literally time after time and get nothing back
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Speaker 1: for them. I want you to now think about the
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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets trade, the Chris Sale trade, and now the
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Speaker 1: Rafael Devers trade, and so far the best players they've
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Speaker 1: gotten back for all three were what Alex Ferdugo and
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Speaker 1: Connor Wong and maybe James Tibbs someday. In this trade,
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Speaker 1: like it's almost unbelievable. If you're gonna trade Raphael Devers
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Speaker 1: to the San Francisco Giants, then the return has to
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Speaker 1: start with Bryce Eldridge and either bird Song or Roup.
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Speaker 1: That's how it has to start. And if you make
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Speaker 1: a trade like that, look I can somehow get through
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Speaker 1: and understand it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: That opens up a spot for Roman Anthony Whenebreo comes back.
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Speaker 1: Eldridge is a long term first baseman with thirty home
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Speaker 1: run power and bird song or roup go right into
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Speaker 1: your rotation. I could have at least somewhat bought into it.
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Speaker 1: But this return, you're talking about two number five starters
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Speaker 1: of middle relievers, right, That's what you basically get. In
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Speaker 1: Hickson Harrison. You get a teenage pitcher who's got a
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Speaker 1: big arm, but who knows if he can pitch, and
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Speaker 1: he's six years away if he makes it high risk,
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Speaker 1: high return, I get it. And James Tibbs, who look
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Speaker 1: I like right, he went to Florida State. He's got
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Speaker 1: a plus hit tool, plus power tool. Might be a
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Speaker 1: platoon player, but he's not at all star. He's not
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Speaker 1: a silver slugger, not a goal glow. And you trade
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Speaker 1: away a twenty eight year old superstar. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: this guy is fifteen home runs. This guy's at thirty
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Speaker 1: more homers three different times in his career. He's a
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Speaker 1: three point eight war player. I don't care how you
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Speaker 1: dice this thing up. He's a superstar player and worth
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Speaker 1: the contract he's getting paid, by the way, and you're
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Speaker 1: gonna dump him and trade him because why because you
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Speaker 1: didn't handle the offseason right when you signed Alex Bregman
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Speaker 1: and you didn't talk to him, and then you flew
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Speaker 1: to see him and you were mad because he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: play first base. Like, yeah, I don't understand this, and
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how the Red Sox can keep doing
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Speaker 1: this with their star players. I mean, obviously the Giants
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Speaker 1: have won the trade deadline on June fifteenth, they get
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Speaker 1: an A plus. Are you kidding me? Buster Posey is
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Speaker 1: just showing everybody what the future in San Francisco is
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Speaker 1: gonna be. Like he's got the pitching staff, he's second
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Speaker 1: to the Mets and TVRA. He needed power, he needed
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Speaker 1: a bat, he got Devers, didn't give up much to
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Speaker 1: get them, Like are you kidding me? And for the
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Speaker 1: Red Sox, I just scratched my head. You didn't even
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Speaker 1: shop the player at doctor three GMS or text with
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Speaker 1: three GMS this morning who texted me and said they
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Speaker 1: never even called them, Like are you kidding me? I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I gotta tell you, guys, I'm
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Speaker 1: just disgusted. I'm just disgusted as a player.
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Speaker 4: Could a player ever do something a player of that caliber,
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Speaker 4: could ever do something so egregious in your clubhouse that
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Speaker 4: you would then go ahead and say, you know what,
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Speaker 4: we're not even we're just willing to get something back
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Speaker 4: and dump your money. Is it possible that a player,
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Speaker 4: or have you ever seen a player do something that
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Speaker 4: egregious that it's just like, oh, in your terms, dump
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Speaker 4: this player on another team.
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Speaker 1: Never his superstar player. Never, And it can't happen. This
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Speaker 1: is egregious. And you know, look, the ego affects the
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Speaker 1: progress of mankind. It always has. An ego got in
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Speaker 1: the way here. And whether it's Craig Breslow's ego after
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Speaker 1: Devers wanted to meet with Cora and John Henry and
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Speaker 1: not him, or whether it's John Henry's ego upset that
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Speaker 1: he's paying a guy three hundred million that didn't want
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Speaker 1: to run over and play first base. I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: I don't know the reasons behind it. They have their
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Speaker 1: own reasons, but no, this is unacceptable. You know, the
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Speaker 1: late Sparky Anderson, who was the manager of the Big
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Speaker 1: Red Machine in the seventies, he took me aside when
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Speaker 1: I was a rookie GM in Cincinnati and he said,
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Speaker 1: always remember one thing the game is about the players.
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Speaker 1: The game is about the superstar players, and work with them.
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Speaker 1: They will help you win games. And I always did
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Speaker 1: that in my career, and I understood it and I
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Speaker 1: respected it. And I had to make tough decisions, right
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Speaker 1: Like I had to move Alfonso Soriano from second base
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Speaker 1: to left field and he didn't want to do it.
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Speaker 1: He talked to me for three months and he ended
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Speaker 1: up hitting forty homers and stealing forty bases that year.
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Speaker 1: And I had moved Tony Fernandez from shortstop to third
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Speaker 1: base and he wouldn't talk to me. He moped around me.
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Speaker 1: Because I had Barry Larkin his short I couldn't put
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Speaker 1: him there. But you know what, it didn't matter how
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Speaker 1: what he felt about me. I don't care. I don't
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Speaker 1: care he felt about the owner. You know what I
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Speaker 1: cared about. I cared about what Barry Larkin thought about him.
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Speaker 1: That That's what was important to me. I cared about
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Speaker 1: Ryan Zimmerman, how he felt about about Sorianne Like, that's
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Speaker 1: what mattered to me. And if those players are going
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Speaker 1: to win. The players love Rafael Bevers. He's their best player.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if he hurt Breslow or Henry's feelings
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Speaker 1: for not wanting to do something. Either you make the
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Speaker 1: player do it, and if you're not gonna make him
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Speaker 1: do it, then you live with the consequences. But you
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Speaker 1: certainly don't trade him for this return under any circumstances.
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Speaker 3: Jim, is it easier to trade a disgruntle player, you know,
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Speaker 3: Discronold I put in quotes like Rafi Devers? Or is
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Speaker 3: it easier to trade like Aaron Savale who we saw
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Speaker 3: earlier this week, who wanted to trade and then he
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Speaker 3: got delt Which one's easier because you talked about all
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Speaker 3: the guys you've dealt over the years. But sure, I
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Speaker 3: mean it is it this big of a deal, like oh,
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Speaker 3: Raffy said? No, So I'm just gonna get rid of
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Speaker 3: him because I'm the and that's what I have to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't do that, right, I mean, Rafael Devers
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Speaker 1: is the way most more than John Henry. That's just
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Speaker 1: the way it is. And look at Aaron Savali's case.
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Speaker 1: He affected the culture. Devers doesn't affect the culture With
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox, Savali did, I don't want to go
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Speaker 1: to the bullpen. I'm on my free agent year. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to pitch in the bullpen trade me, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to ruin my culture in Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: So the GM matter our good friend of mine. I
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Speaker 1: hired him in Cincinnati, you know, says Okay, bye, see
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Speaker 1: you and go enjoy the south side of Chicago, and
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Speaker 1: we'll see how many teams line up to get you
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Speaker 1: in free agency. Goodbye, good luck. That's totally different than
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Speaker 1: Rafael Devers because Devers may not have liked to move
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Speaker 1: to DH and he may have struggled the first two weeks.
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Speaker 1: But what did Rafael Devers do? He embraced it, and
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Speaker 1: he ranked and he was their best hitter in the
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Speaker 1: month of May, and the best hitter reason for them,
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Speaker 1: that's what he did. And the teammates like jump when
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Speaker 1: you told him to jump. But he certainly performed for you,
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Speaker 1: and he certainly helped you win baseball games. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry if you didn't want to pay a DH that,
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Speaker 1: but you paid David Ortiz that right. The Yankees are
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Speaker 1: paying jar Carlos Stanton that. And by the way, even
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Speaker 1: if he did say yes to play first base for you,
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Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be a good defender at first like
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Speaker 1: he wasn't good at third. His best role is the bat.
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Speaker 1: You committed three hundred million dollars to him because of
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Speaker 1: the bat. That's what you paid him for. So look,
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade him, Look, I'm okay trading anybody.
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Speaker 1: Get the return. If you had gotten Aldridge back and
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Speaker 1: you'd got bird Song back, I could have defended it.
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Speaker 1: I could have at least given the argument understand it.
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Speaker 1: But now no, I don't.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: Can the Red Sox pivot? Sure they can, just like
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Speaker 1: when the Yankees pivoted when they lost Juan Soto to
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Speaker 1: the Mets. They can pivot this offseason. They've opened up
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Speaker 1: a spot for Roman Anthony. That's good. They could use
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Speaker 1: this money in the offseason to go get Pete Alonzo,
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Speaker 1: maybe sign Zach Collen. There are ways that they could
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Speaker 1: turn this team around in the offseason. I don't like
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Speaker 1: the way they handled it. I don't like the timing
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Speaker 1: of the trade. I don't like the return. I think
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Speaker 1: this is a total disaster, and I think this trade
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Speaker 1: is as bad as the Bookie Bets trade may be worse.
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Speaker 2: with you, JB because the key for me on top
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Speaker 2: of all of this is that you can't replace the
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Speaker 2: bat or the money right now. If you want to
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Speaker 2: play the pr game with your fan base in the
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Speaker 2: offseason and say, hey, we got rid of this player.
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Speaker 2: We had a problem, but we got this superstar instead,
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Speaker 2: much easier case to make, you know, you can't do that.
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Speaker 2: They can trade for players at the deadline if they're
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Speaker 2: in it like they are right now. But what do
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Speaker 2: you think of the shock factor of them not waiting
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Speaker 2: until the offseason, taking it so personally that they needed
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Speaker 2: to do this right now when they just swept the Yankees,
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Speaker 2: they won five in a row, they're a half game
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Speaker 2: out of a playoff spot right now, and they just
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Speaker 2: got rid of a top ten bat in baseball. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know as well as I know. In addition to
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Speaker 2: how GMS told you that they didn't get phone calls
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Speaker 2: about this, as long as Devers was healthy and hitting
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Speaker 2: like he is career year right now, by ops plus,
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Speaker 2: that would have been a tradable asset in the offseason.
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Speaker 2: They so badly needed to do this right now. How
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Speaker 2: much does that part of the equation bother you? For
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Speaker 2: a team that many thought could make the playoffs and
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Speaker 2: make a run. They've got a cy young contender at
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Speaker 2: the top of the rotation too.
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Speaker 1: It bothers me as much as the trade does. The
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Speaker 1: timing does, and the fact the trigger is so quick
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Speaker 1: because you were worried he was going to leak out,
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Speaker 1: like you were so impressed that the Dallas Mavericks traded
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Speaker 1: Luka Doncic to the Lakers because it didn't leak out,
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Speaker 1: and that will end up being one of the worst
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Speaker 1: trades in NBA history, right, But at least they got
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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis back. It's not like they got nothing back.
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Speaker 1: The Red Sox maybe got up platoon first baseman back
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Speaker 1: as their best player in this I mean to rush
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Speaker 1: into it. Huge mistake. You have to with a player
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Speaker 1: of this caliber if you want to trade them. There's
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Speaker 1: other teams that would have taken this contract. You have
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Speaker 1: to pick up the phone. You have to call everyone
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Speaker 1: before you make any trade and find out exactly what
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Speaker 1: you can get for him. Even if it leaks out,
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna matter. It's not gonna make a bit
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Speaker 1: of difference. It just isn't. So the timing is terrible
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Speaker 1: for a team that could have gotten to the postseason.
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Speaker 1: The timing is terrible for the team, but it's also
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Speaker 1: just the return that I just can't get past. So
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Speaker 1: good for Buster Posey, right, I mean good for good
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Speaker 1: for Zach Melassi and to be able to pull off
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Speaker 1: this trade. They needed a bat. They're a postseason team.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna beat the Dodgers and win
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Speaker 1: the division, but they're gonna stay in the race all year.
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Speaker 1: They needed that aircraft carrier. We all saw what Kyle
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Speaker 1: Tucker did to the Cubs offense this year. Right, they
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Speaker 1: have the other team to beat in the central Deffers
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Speaker 1: has a chance to do that take the pressure off
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Speaker 1: of Damis. Right. This is gonna help Mattos get better.
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Speaker 1: This is gonna help this entire team. And if I'm
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Speaker 1: the Giants, you know, I don't know how they're gonna
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Speaker 1: handle it. I'm assuming they're gonna say DH because I
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Speaker 1: got Chapman coming back in a month to play third,
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Speaker 1: Dominic Smith is hitting at first base, and Eldridge is
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Speaker 1: coming to now gonna be your first baseman. So you're
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Speaker 1: gonna end up with Eldridge En Devors two left handed
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Speaker 1: thirty home run bats, something they have in Adset's buried
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Speaker 1: bonds wore the Giants uniform. This is a huge day
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Speaker 1: if you're a San Francisco Giants fan. After all those
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Speaker 1: years of trying to sign Aaron Judge and trying to
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Speaker 1: sign John Carlos Stanton and never being able to get
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Speaker 1: that big free agent. They had Carlos Carreer for what
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Speaker 1: five minutes before he flunked the physical medical and now
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Speaker 1: Buster Posey finally did it. I'm thrilled for him, and
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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled for Giants fans.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're happy, you know, as former Giants stood.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm happy for the Giants also. They treated
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Speaker 3: me so well there. But what about the Red Sox fans.
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Speaker 3: You're talking Giants fans, and we get how happy they are.
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Speaker 3: But this is sale bets now devers. It's like every
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Speaker 3: time somebody, you know, oh no, woe is me. We're
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Speaker 3: the poor Red Sox. We can't afford this person. Now,
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Speaker 3: the one out of those three. I really understand the
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Speaker 3: sale the un pitched in a while. They wanted to
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Speaker 3: get some back for him.
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Speaker 4: I get it.
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Speaker 3: But they didn't have to trade bets. They didn't have
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Speaker 3: to let Bogerts walk. They didn't have to trade Devers.
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Speaker 3: They don't have to do these things. So I get
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Speaker 3: the Giants, let's go. We're gonna have these home run hitters.
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Speaker 3: But for me from the Red Sox side, wow, it's
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Speaker 3: like what are we doing? If I'm a Red Sox fan?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and AJ, let's play this out too, right, you're
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Speaker 1: telling me when you get to July thirty first, with
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Speaker 1: an hour to go in the deadline, the Buster Posey
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Speaker 1: won't give you Eldridge with an hour to go. Because
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Speaker 1: think about right now, we have five baseball teams that
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Speaker 1: are nine games or more out of the playoffs. Only five, right, Rockies, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals,
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Speaker 1: and White Sox. They're the only five teams literally today
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Speaker 1: you could say are basically out of it right, but
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Speaker 1: they're still within distance, but they're out of it right.
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Speaker 1: Of those five teams, which one has devors that they
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Speaker 1: could trade to the Giants at the deadline, nobody zero.
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Speaker 1: The best here that might get trade out of those
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Speaker 1: five teams is Lewis Roberts. You, so there's nobody. So
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Speaker 1: if he goes to July thirty first, you're telling me
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Speaker 1: that the Red Sox can't get a better package if
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Speaker 1: you wait to the deadline and by the way, keep
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Speaker 1: winning in the meantime. Like it just it makes no sense,
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Speaker 1: doesn't make common sense. It's not smart. You know, maybe
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Speaker 1: they needed to get the money off the payroll to
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Speaker 1: go sign the mid infielder they just did on their
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Speaker 1: soccer team overseas because I guess they just dropped one
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Speaker 1: hundred million on him. Maybe that's what this is about.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it makes no sense baseball wise.
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Speaker 1: You have to get a better return if you're going
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Speaker 1: to trade a twenty eight year old superstar who by
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Speaker 1: the way, is being paid market value, and there's only
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Speaker 1: two fifty left of the contract and seven and a
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Speaker 1: half million of that is deferred, so when you start
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Speaker 1: looking at the president net present value, it's even lower
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Speaker 1: than that. He's probably a bargain in this day and
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Speaker 1: age for what he brings to the table offensively. So again,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I can't defend the
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Speaker 1: trade by the Red Sox. That's my unfiltered take.
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Speaker 4: Gam it's Florian Verts. That's the twenty two year old
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Speaker 4: superstar for the Premier League. But it's not a soccer show.
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Speaker 4: But Florian Verts another unicorn that is just totally secondary
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Speaker 4: news today. Oh sho Heo Tani gets to start today.
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Speaker 4: If you're a GM of Shoeo Tani, do you allow
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Speaker 4: your manager to constantly say less than zero percent chance
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Speaker 4: that he pitches less than or was this a plan
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Speaker 4: thing that they're just like, Hey, we're gonna put smoking
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Speaker 4: mirrors out there all of a sudden, Show is like,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to throw any more live bullpens. I
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Speaker 4: want to rehab against the big league team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, Show, hey made this call. Look,
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Speaker 1: I had heard Dave Roberts comments that they were going
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Speaker 1: to start him before the All Star break, and then
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Speaker 1: I had text Andrew Friedman, the president. And Andrew came
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Speaker 1: back and said, we have not made any decision yet.
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Speaker 1: Is no decision, So you know, he didn't confirm or
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Speaker 1: deny outside of saying we haven't made a decision. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like to me that Otani made this decision. And
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Speaker 1: Otani's position is he can't go on rehab because he's
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Speaker 1: an everyday d H so not on the injured list,
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Speaker 1: you can't go on rehab. So the only way he
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Speaker 1: could rehab is playing these sim games. And after a
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Speaker 1: while he's like I'm healthy, I feel good. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: else I can accomplish doing the sim game. So I
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Speaker 1: wanna pitch. I want to pitch now. And both Dave
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Speaker 1: Roberts and Andrew Freeman, you know, said, Okay, you're a
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Speaker 1: star player. You're a seven on a million dollar guy.
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Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, you'll be the
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Speaker 1: opener tonight. You'll go one inning, maybe two if you
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Speaker 1: get through a quick first inning. And so that's what
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Speaker 1: we're looking at. I'll tell you the other thing they
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Speaker 1: dropped on us that isn't a headline today because of
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Speaker 1: the Devor's trade and Otani starting is that little mention
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Speaker 1: that Sosaki's not gonna pitch again this year. Like they
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Speaker 1: just drop that on us without really giving us the
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Speaker 1: understanding what's going on the shoulder outside of it. We
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Speaker 1: gave him a corda zone shot and we don't really
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Speaker 1: know what it is. You should ask him. You're probably
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Speaker 1: not gonna see him pitch again this year. Like they
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Speaker 1: dropped that on us quietly too. So yeah, we had
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Speaker 1: we had quite a news day yesterday right between devors,
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Speaker 1: Otani and Sasaki, like wam bam boom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah wait wait wait where'd you see that? Because I
17:15
Speaker 3: didn't see that. I saw where he didn't have pain,
17:18
Speaker 3: but he wasn't throwing.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
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Speaker 3: I didn't miss though he's not pitching this year again,
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Speaker 3: like what's he gonna do all year? If there's no pain,
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Speaker 3: then why is he not pitching.
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Speaker 1: Cortizone shot we were shutting it down for six to
17:32
Speaker 1: eight weeks and then we're gonna ready up and by
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Speaker 1: then the season's probably over. So that's that's kind of
17:37
Speaker 1: the news they threw at us. So, yeah, I don't
17:39
Speaker 1: know what's going on in the shoulder. They also said
17:41
Speaker 1: there wasn't any scans planned going forward either, and then
17:46
Speaker 1: he also referred to Sasaki and told the media to,
17:49
Speaker 1: you know, to go ask him. So anyway, he apparently
17:53
Speaker 1: he was throwing, he was building back, and then all
17:55
Speaker 1: of a sudden he said, I don't feel strength in
17:57
Speaker 1: my shoulder. So they've shot it with Gordizone and that's
18:00
Speaker 1: kind of where they are. So yeah, so they need
18:04
Speaker 1: they know, Tani to be built up. They need to
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Speaker 1: get Glassnow back, they need to get Snell back, and
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Speaker 1: and look if they can get those three guys back
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Speaker 1: and Yamamoto, those four guys in October, they'll still be
18:15
Speaker 1: the favorites to win the World Series.
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Speaker 3: Well, then the team's dodge a bullet by not signing
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Speaker 3: Sazaki if he's out for.
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Speaker 2: The year, doesn't cost anything.
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Speaker 3: But still, I mean, if they if they're not doing
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Speaker 3: scans right, what's wrong? We like, what would they even
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Speaker 3: know what's wrong? I mean they just stick a sneedle
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Speaker 3: in there and be like, oh, you're good now, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't know it took six come back
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Speaker 3: from a cortisone shot. I thought that was, you know, like,
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Speaker 3: all right, well, I don't know, give it a couple
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Speaker 3: of days and we're ready to go.
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Speaker 1: That's a story. We're gonna keep watching, that's for sure.
18:42
Speaker 1: But it sure sounds like he's not in their plans.
18:45
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that was dropped very quietly as well,
18:48
Speaker 1: which would have been a lead story today and had
18:50
Speaker 1: not been fordevs at Otani.
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Speaker 2: That is true, and that is the beauty of this sport.
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Speaker 2: In mid June, JB great stuff. We'll talk to you soon, okay, guys,