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Ep. 67 : Topps Stadium Club Release · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode sixty seven of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike cool Ard from ras Ball, joined
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  Speaker 1: as always by my very good friend and birthday boy tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Brewer. How are you doing tonight, Bud, I.
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  Speaker 2: Am one year older, none the wiser, ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a whole year and a half of
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  Speaker 1: podcasting underneath your belt, so people know about that wisdom.
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  Speaker 2: The level of wisdom. We'll just leave the rest to
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  Speaker 2: be determined by the listener.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've got a great show lined up for you tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We are recording this on Wednesday, November sixth, So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: be Pepper didn't or tuned in first peppering of some
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  Speaker 1: anxieties here probably here and there. But I figured also
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  Speaker 1: a great time to record a podcast, because honestly, there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing more that I love than getting on here every
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  Speaker 1: week and chatting baseball. And I just got back from
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  Speaker 1: First Pitch Arizona from this weekend had an absolute blast
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  Speaker 1: meeting tons of people in fantasy baseball realms, between different podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: I lost track of like having a good time because
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  Speaker 1: you're just having such a blast talking baseball and the
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  Speaker 1: minutia of roto baseball with everybody out there getting through
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  Speaker 1: some fab suggestions and prospects and all that. So if
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  Speaker 1: you are tuning in, if I met you out there
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  Speaker 1: at First Pitch Arizona, welcome. We've got a great podlined
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  Speaker 1: up to discuss both fantasy and baseball cards, and this
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  Speaker 1: week we're focusing on twenty twenty four stadium club release
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  Speaker 1: and getting into some news and notes, So bru, let's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of kick it off from those news and
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  Speaker 1: notes here. In terms of when we recorded last week,
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  Speaker 1: it was in the middle of Game five. Little did
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  Speaker 1: we know how chaotic like the fifth inning there was,
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  Speaker 1: because as we were watching it, we saw the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: go up big and they saw the Dodgers come back.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're just watching like the game cast the
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  Speaker 1: box score, it's difficult to get a sense of all
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  Speaker 1: those errors the Yankees made between Garrett Cole not covering
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  Speaker 1: first and Aaron Judge dropping that ball in the outfield,
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  Speaker 1: and so that paved the way for the Dodgers to
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  Speaker 1: be able to bring home their eighth World Series. Brady
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  Speaker 1: Freeman won the World Series MVP, as we'd kind of
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  Speaker 1: predicted last week, and all hell broke loose in America
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  Speaker 1: even without the Yankees coming back the way that you
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  Speaker 1: had predicted. So what really stands out as we look
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  Speaker 1: back on the World Series again, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: tune in, We've got a lot of thoughts last week too,
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  Speaker 1: But what is like the seminal moment you think that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to capture in your mind going forward from
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  Speaker 1: this Dodgers victory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if I'm going to pick one moment,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we've talked about this last last week,
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  Speaker 2: it stills to me, is that Game one Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 2: Grand Slam walk off like that that like felt like
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  Speaker 2: it set the tone for the entire World Series and
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  Speaker 2: two fronts one. Freddy Freeman is amazing and he absolutely
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  Speaker 2: deserved to be the MVP. Absolutely did everything right this
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  Speaker 2: series on like half a leg. Kirk Gibson style, it was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fantastic. The other piece of that is the inverse,
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  Speaker 2: which is, what the heck are the Yankees doing with
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  Speaker 2: thought process? And like they're like, did they mentally just
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  Speaker 2: not show up the World Series? Why is Nester Cortez
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  Speaker 2: pitching to Freddie Freeman that situation? Why is Garrett Cole
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  Speaker 2: trying to up end Bill Buckner and not take care
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  Speaker 2: of first base? Like what is going on in these situations?
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  Speaker 2: And so it just feels like, you know that Game
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  Speaker 2: five was the epitome of the World Series, is that
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  Speaker 2: Yankees just didn't seem to show up, and when they did,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't make very good choices, and then Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 2: took care of the rest. Is kind of the way
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  Speaker 2: I look at it. So that's the one moment to me,
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  Speaker 2: But it was it was, I would say, a surprising series.
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  Speaker 2: We both thought it was a seven game series. It
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  Speaker 2: should have been it should have been more excitement. It
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  Speaker 2: was very exciting, but like it should have been excitement
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  Speaker 2: as far as like back and forth throughout the series,
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  Speaker 2: not individual games. The Dodgers, you know, kept pulling things
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  Speaker 2: through and making it happen. But kudos to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Now they can get rid of the asterisk on the
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  Speaker 2: most recent World Series, not a shortened COVID season World
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  Speaker 2: Series win, it's a legitimate one. It's nice to see
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  Speaker 2: the money paying up, I guess for once for them,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're gona try to go sign one soda.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think lots of people will be
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll get into that little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to sign one soda.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I when we get into some of these
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  Speaker 1: news and notes, I think I've got a pretty big
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  Speaker 1: dark horse that you can see it in a transaction
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  Speaker 1: they executed this week. But yes, I do agree that
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  Speaker 1: like Freddie Freeman's home run is going to stand out
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  Speaker 1: with the bat Rays there. I also think about just
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  Speaker 1: Mookie Betts bringing home his third World Series but also
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  Speaker 1: in Game five, pretty consequential sackfly there, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: tack on that run, and he was ready for it
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  Speaker 1: and was the most excited I think I've ever seen
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  Speaker 1: anybody for a sack fly because he knew how consequential
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  Speaker 1: that was. But yeah, you nailed it right on the head.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of the Yankees just really shooting themselves in
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  Speaker 1: their own foot with their sloppy play, and it came
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  Speaker 1: to light even more so than anywhere else in Game five,
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  Speaker 1: and that was a part of like there were reports
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  Speaker 1: that the Dodgers had this quote unquote kind of like
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  Speaker 1: scouting port on the Yankees that, you know, just let
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  Speaker 1: them beat themselves. And so we've seen that a lot
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  Speaker 1: from what the Yankees did in twenty twenty four that
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  Speaker 1: they had sloppy base running. They also weren't necessarily outside
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  Speaker 1: of like Anthony Volpi, that great around the diamond defensively,
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  Speaker 1: so they were kind of asking for it at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, which is honestly kind of inexcusable
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  Speaker 1: if you're the Yankees that if you can't find legitimate
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  Speaker 1: fielders or be able to kind of like coach that
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  Speaker 1: up the way you can see in the Dodgers. The
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers do this really great that I think part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason their run has been so sustained over the
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  Speaker 1: past decade or so is that their defensive positioning is
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  Speaker 1: among the best in the league. You know, the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: used to be really good at a pre shift ban
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  Speaker 1: but the Brewers are kind of in this group too
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  Speaker 1: that you look up all the time, and the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: have the person standing in the exact right spot for
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  Speaker 1: some barrel that goes into the outfield or one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and five mile hour liner that's coming through the infield.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's a it's a great kind of
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  Speaker 1: feather in the cap of the Dodgers, and also great
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  Speaker 1: to see Clayton Kershaw at the at the celebration to
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  Speaker 1: you know, have that emotional moment in front of all
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  Speaker 1: the fans that he didn't get to celebrate in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the low key favorite moment I'm also going to
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  Speaker 1: take home is drunk Jack Flarerty at the at the celebration.
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  Speaker 1: I don't did you see that clip when he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to I didn't. There is a great clip out
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  Speaker 1: there of him trying to dab up Earl Hrscheizer and
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  Speaker 1: just cannot even like find Earl or Herscheizer's hand in
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  Speaker 1: space that like he is two par gone. I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: for Jack Flarerity because he's been just through a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ups and downs his career, but I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's great to see him win it with the Dodgers there.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think that the the Yankees and the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers kind of do here in the offseason. Do you
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  Speaker 1: do you think that the Dodgers pretty much run it
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  Speaker 1: back and do you think the Yankees are going to
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  Speaker 1: go through any significant overhauls.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking the thing Dodgers are they kind of
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  Speaker 2: run it back here. Uh, they have some work to
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  Speaker 2: do in the rotation. I feel like a broken record
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  Speaker 2: on that commentary throughout the playoffs that didn't play through.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, we saw Kershaw opt out of his
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  Speaker 2: his contract or decline his option, and you know they
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  Speaker 2: you know, Bueler here gonna be a free agent, like
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  Speaker 2: they're that doesn't really seem like their rotation is fully settled,
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  Speaker 2: so they have to kind of close that up. But
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  Speaker 2: beyond that, like the you know, they have a pretty
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  Speaker 2: much the team intact. You know, I've got to figure
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  Speaker 2: out Hernandez. They've got some pieces they're moving, but otherwise
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  Speaker 2: they're a pre gusher and strong team. The cores there.
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  Speaker 2: They just have to make a few choices. The Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: on the other hand, like they're they're losing, they could
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  Speaker 2: be losing a number of guys like they did, uh
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  Speaker 2: somehow retain Cole. I'm not quite sure still what happened
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  Speaker 2: there as far as is contract to force their hand.
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  Speaker 2: But then the green that like I played my overplayed
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  Speaker 2: my hand and they'll just stick back around. I'm quite
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  Speaker 2: sure what happened there. We might never truly know. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, on SODA's a free agent, Glebar Tores
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  Speaker 2: is a free agent, and and it seems like they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of pitching also kind of let them down. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen some people say, oh, like cole Go, they got
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  Speaker 2: some strong pitching. Not quite sure Goes so sure that
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  Speaker 2: they have pitching that's their Cortes isn't. But but I
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  Speaker 2: think that the the Yankees have a little bit higher
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  Speaker 2: hill to climb, and uh, they they they have more
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  Speaker 2: to lose with Soto specifically, so I think they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be the ones that have a harder, harder hill to climb.
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  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised to see the Dodgers back.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I probably would bet against the Yankees at this
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  Speaker 2: point in time unless they make some big moves that
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  Speaker 2: I don't see coming. But they feel like they're gonna be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, relying on aging Garrett cole and finally letting
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  Speaker 2: go of Glabar Torres, which knowing the they probably been
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  Speaker 2: labor back and let so to go. That's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of how they seem to seem like they would roll.
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  Speaker 1: That would be just man. I can't imagine that exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Things would get really out of hand. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees are on a fifteen year World Series drought now,
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  Speaker 1: so things are are desperate up there in the Bronx.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing that you didn't kind of mention there
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  Speaker 1: in the Dodgers' off seasons plan is obviously going to
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  Speaker 1: be rehabbing show hey Otani even further now. It's not
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  Speaker 1: even just the Tommy John surgery for the pitching side.
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  Speaker 1: We discovered just recently, I think it was yesterday, it
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  Speaker 1: came out that that Otani actually visited doctor Neil AA
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  Speaker 1: Trash had his laboram repaired. He had a torm laid
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  Speaker 1: horn labram in his left shoulder from that stolen base
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  Speaker 1: attempt in Game three and popping his shoulder out of socket.
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  Speaker 1: Which should kind of covered this a little bit last
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  Speaker 1: week because it was very, very similar to the Ferny
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  Speaker 1: Tatis shoulder injury, which also had to be surgically repaired.
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  Speaker 1: So it is certainly concerning that this required surgery. But
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  Speaker 1: at this point, you know, Otani's got four months, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to get ready and rehab over the off season. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not totally sure that it's not gonna be enough, depending
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  Speaker 1: on how significant the tear in the laboram was. But
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  Speaker 1: what do you think that this is gonna do for
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  Speaker 1: show Heyo Tani going forward? Because at first pitch Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: he was like a top one, two or three pick
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  Speaker 1: in pretty much every draft that I saw because people
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  Speaker 1: didn't know about this labor surgery yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, non throwing arms, I think
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  Speaker 2: absolutely helps because laborham is something that's it matters for hitting,
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but it's a much bigger issue
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  Speaker 2: with an overhand motion, and so I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it impacts his draft value a little. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, it's really hard to compete against the guy
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  Speaker 2: that should be a really good pitcher, should be a
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  Speaker 2: really good hitter, and has the potential to be the
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  Speaker 2: best on both of those. And so it's that's the
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  Speaker 2: weirdest like floor scenario there is that his laborom's really
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  Speaker 2: shot in his arm. Well, he pitches with the other one,
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  Speaker 2: so at least I still got a mid rotation starter
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  Speaker 2: or a top fifteen starter. However you want to look
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  Speaker 2: at it and vice versa. So I still think he's
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  Speaker 2: at the top of draft boards. You just don't feel
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  Speaker 2: nearly as confident as what you should would have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a month ago, and that that's unfortunate. But it feels
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  Speaker 2: very much like Ronald Lacunia the year before, where he
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  Speaker 2: came off his you know, forty seventy season unbelievable. There's
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  Speaker 2: no way you couldn't draft him first, and he kind
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  Speaker 2: of fell on his face a little bit and struggled,
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  Speaker 2: but you still didn't feel wrong for drafting him. Like
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  Speaker 2: you look back, he's like, but it was still the
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  Speaker 2: right choice to draft Acunya because you couldn't not take
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  Speaker 2: the guy that went forty seventy. I think that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of where you're gonna sit with Otani. Here's like the
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  Speaker 2: guy went fifty to fifty and he could win fifteen
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  Speaker 2: games while on the mound. Okay, he goes thirty thirty
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  Speaker 2: and wins ten. Okay, I'll still take it. I still so,
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  Speaker 2: I again, I is he gonna drop in this few drafts? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Does he drop out of the top five? I doubt it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll see where like how
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  Speaker 1: this rehab goes over the next couple of months too.
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna really know until pictures and catchers really report,
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  Speaker 1: So like, I do think that he'll probably stay like
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  Speaker 1: a top three ish pick three, four pick maybe I
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  Speaker 1: guess top five. There's gonna be it's he's gonna slip
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  Speaker 1: in some drafts, but yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think there's gonna be some fear. And then it's like
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  Speaker 2: the snowball fear like once like he drops like past
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  Speaker 2: three and you're like, well, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: the guy that does this, And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: he's like somebody's sitting there at seven, going why do
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  Speaker 2: I get O top me? Like what did I miss?
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  Speaker 2: Like there's gonna be a draft like that, there's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be the guy I just said. They go, okay, we'll
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  Speaker 2: take him.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and along with it, like I do think
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  Speaker 1: maybe like the one changes, I was pretty solidly taking
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  Speaker 1: Otani number one before this, but with this, I would
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  Speaker 1: take Wit like I would go Wit because like there
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  Speaker 1: is just enough of that injury concern where honestly Otani
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  Speaker 1: and Wit were like one A, one B anyway, and
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  Speaker 1: like it could have been a coin flip depending on
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  Speaker 1: how I feel next week or you know, what substances
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  Speaker 1: I've imbibed or whatever that like how I'm feeling. And
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  Speaker 1: so this does I think definitively put Wit in the
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  Speaker 1: number one spot just because like that floor is so so,
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  Speaker 1: so dang high for Bobby Witt Jr. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about any sorts of injuries right now. And
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean I don't think Otani's gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stolen bases in him next year, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you can still be looking at something like
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  Speaker 1: forty fifteen with the pitching back up playing in the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers' lineup. That like the counting numbers are so absurd
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  Speaker 1: that I think it really provides a nice floor, assuming
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  Speaker 1: that he can still produce okay with this shoulder rehab.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be a good point. Like the steals,
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  Speaker 2: you have to think they're gonna take a drop off,
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  Speaker 2: just else to try to protect him and try to
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  Speaker 2: keep him healthy. And you know, it was interesting, I
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  Speaker 2: should have recognized this, and so this is a complete
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  Speaker 2: gaff on me throughout the season. I didn't realize he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't sliding head first at all while stealing bases the
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  Speaker 2: entire separt, just like he never does because he's protecting himself,
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  Speaker 2: which is so interesting that he still pulled off what
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  Speaker 2: he did because of all these guys with their creative
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  Speaker 2: slides and things like that, Otani's just straight stealing the base.
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  Speaker 2: And so but just that caution that you see there,
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  Speaker 2: they're like that tells you that they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: very careful with him and a little bit more selective
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  Speaker 2: than they were this year because they need to keep
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  Speaker 2: that keep him on the mound as well, because you
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  Speaker 2: have to think, as much as they just talked about
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers concerns, the rotation, oh, Tani is part of
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  Speaker 2: that solution, and they're paying him actually not too much
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  Speaker 2: right now. They're eventually paying him when they don't care
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  Speaker 2: at all, and the Dodgers are paying for this for
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  Speaker 2: the next thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, well, yeah, we will keep an eye on
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  Speaker 1: that throughout the off season. I don't think we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get much word because honestly, we don't get too many
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  Speaker 1: glimpses into Otani's life that it's going to be something
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  Speaker 1: that will have to table until pictures and catchers reports.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's get into we've got our first bit
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  Speaker 1: of off season like transactions and awards, and so let's
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  Speaker 1: kick off with some of those awards. I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: through the gold glove winners because I think these have
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  Speaker 1: been devalued over time, as you know, people look for
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  Speaker 1: other ways of looking at gold glove performances and defense
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  Speaker 1: out there, and especially back like the gold Glove awards
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  Speaker 1: really fell out of favor with you know, nerds like
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  Speaker 1: us during around the turn of the century because of
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  Speaker 1: like the correlation between gold gloves and offensive performance, mostly
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  Speaker 1: highlighted by that Raphael performance Raphael Palmero gold glove where
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  Speaker 1: he played like thirty games at first base in DH
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the time, that's like, yeah, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the absolute highlight. Let me, what year was that that
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  Speaker 1: was back in like ninety nine, Yeah, that was that
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  Speaker 1: was a good year. But I think what I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do is rattle through who won in each league, and
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of give me one who stands out
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  Speaker 1: one way or another in terms of like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe somebody who you think is a really good defender
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  Speaker 1: that you were just wanted highlight, or maybe you're thinking, hey,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: this is a little strange that this guy came home
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: with a goal glove. So I'll start with the al.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: We have pitcher Seth Lugo for the Royals, catcher Kyle
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Roley for the Seattle Mariners, first baseman Carlos Santana for
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins, Andre Simenez second base for the Cleveland Guardians,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: third base Alex Bregman for the Houston Astros, shortstop Bobby
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Witt Junior from the Royals. Outfielder I guess these are
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: split by Yeah, they are split by center and corner.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So centerfield would have been Dalton Varshow from the Toronto
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays, right field will You're a Bray You from
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox, and left field Stephen Kwan from the Guardians.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Utility Dylan Moore from the Mariners. So anybody from that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: list I just rounded off that really kind of stands
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: out to you one way or another. Yeah, I mean, I'm.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Gonna I'm gonna call it two guys because I think
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: they both deserve call out. First of all, Stephen Kwan
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: like the epitome of better real world player than fantasy player.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And Stephen Kwan like and this is just another iteration,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: is this? I think it is his third gold Glove
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: if I if I recalled looks like it. Yes, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: he's just since yes, since he's come up like that's
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: all he is. He is a pure get on bass hitter,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: slap guy, amazing fielding. He is the absolute kind of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: guy that you want in your on your team, and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: then from fantasy product you're like, ah, but I can't
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: see it. And so I love that with State Stephen
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Kuan and the other one I call it was Dalton
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: var Show, and I just I love the fact that
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: he came up as a catcher and now he is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a Gold Gloves center fielder like that. They just think
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: about transition. Think how many catchers can you think of
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that could be gold Gloves center fielders. That just doesn't
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: make sense. Like I'm just thinking thinking like Benji Molina
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: trying to play center field, and I actually would get
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of entertainment out of that, to be honest,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: and so actually every hitter.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: But I think that's a great way to increase.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. But I just think it's so impressive what
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: he's been able to do and turn himself into a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Gold Glove center field or when he did come up
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: as a catcher, and he was always an athletic catcher,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and you know, good arms, ceiling bases, things like that,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: so you can see how it translates. It's just and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't research this. I just wonder how many centerfield
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: gold glovers at one point caught in the majors, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing the number is pretty gush darn small.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That's a great trivia question.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure how to use for a reference
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that effectively.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stead dot com if you want to sponsor us
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and teach us how to use you appropriately, I can
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: do really simple stuff, but something like that maybe a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: little bit beyond my research abilities, but also around it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try that for next week. Uh Yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I think those are great guys to call it. Which
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: is funny because there's two more that I want to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: call out that I thought maybe you would get. One
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of these. First is Carlos Santana bringing home his first
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: gold Glove at the age of thirty eight, and he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: deserved it by the defensive extrics. He's been pretty solid
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, and it wasn't exactly the greatest
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: crop he had to beat out in the American League,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: but certainly he deserved it, and there was actually a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: report today that he wants to play like another four
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: years that if he does that, you know, it's going
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to be interesting to see where he lands, and he's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: going to become like one of the greatest immaculate grid
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like people of all time, if that's possible. The other
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: one is Alex Bregman. It's his I believe it's his
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: first one, which is correct, just mostly because Matt Chapman
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: has been there forever. So now that Matt Chapman's out
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of the AL, it cleared the way for Alex Bregman
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: as he enters free agency. So let's flip over to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the n L side. So we've got pitcher Chris Saale
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: from the Braves, catcher Patrick Bailey from the Giants, first
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: base Christian Walker from the Diamondbacks, second base Bryce Terrang
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: from the Brewers, third base Matt Chapman from the Giants.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Shortstop Ezekiel Tovar Colorado, who I will call out right now,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: youngest shortstop Gold Glove winner of all time. So that's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a pretty big thing considering how I thought like shortstops
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: are when they come out or come up south. Freylck
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: outfield for the Brewers, So I think he is technically
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the right fielder. Brenton Doyle gets the center field award
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: for the Rockies and Ian Happ left field for the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs, utility player Jerry Triollo from the Pirates. So
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: who stands out from that crop of gold gloves in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the NL for you? Yeah?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I this this isn't There's a lot of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of good names. There a lot of amazing players,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, I want to talk about the Chapman's
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of the world and the Britton Doyle's and that story,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: but to me, it's Chris Saale and like you want
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to call it the Greg Maddis effects of playing on
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the Braves, but dude, through the through the triple Crown
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and won a Gold Glove. Like, what's is there a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: better potential end of season for that? I guess maybe
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: winning the m v P two. Like yeah, that's like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that's absolutely incredible to have the pitching Triple Crown and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the Golden Glove. You literally did the best possible on
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the mound that you that you could have by statistic measures,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And so I I think that that's just really cool
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that he was able to do that, and it feels
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: like he was like not even thinking about that. Man,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I really had a great season. I got the triple
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: crowns and he just calls you up and be like
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: gold gloves too. He got him make a single layer
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the entire season. And you know, for the lanky Chris Sale, like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: maybe that's just what it is that the arms are
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: seven feet long, just able to get a little bit
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of everything. So Chris Sale jumps out to me, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: just I think that was just an incredible feat in itself.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So how about you. I already heard you kind of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: hinting at Ezekiel Tovar. They're based on his youth, but
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: anybody else jump out to you?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had to get that in because maybe
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that is just the call out for Tovar, and as
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: we know, he's my boy. That Yeah, I love Ezequiel
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Tovar so much and just his free swinging ways. I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: want to call it. Christian Walker third straight at first
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: base and then Brenton Doyle second straight in the outfield
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: there in center field does feel like Brenton Doyle is
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: about to go on like a Kevin Kiermeyer brain of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: center field defense that I could see him rallying off
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like six to eight straight gold gloves because he is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: absolutely sublime and has to cover all that ground in
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: couers field that it's really tough for anybody to come
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: close to any of his defensive metrics, let alone just
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: even the eye test Brenton Doyle stands out.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. That's and that is a great
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: spot to be an athletic center fielder to be able
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to highlight those plays. There's no more better else to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: do it than Colorado.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we also have qualifying our offers that went
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: out this week, so we'll cover in the next couple
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of weeks, you know, as we get closer and closer
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to the qualifying offer like deadline which is November nineteenth,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to pick our free agent destinations for some of the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: top free agents. We did this last winter, and I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: think it was a blast off to kind of tally
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: up what we had last time we did that so
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that we can see how right we were, because honestly,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like even hitting like three or four, it is.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: This is just like the answer C on every multiple
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: choice with Dodgers and over the best.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So for it's yeah, almost thirty multiple ti voices. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: guess it's a little slim down. We're not just like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: totally guessing, but maybe I will. Maybe I'll just like
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: chimpanzees trying to write Shakespeare it and just go go
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: for a total random dice throw. But we had here's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the list of players who received the qualifying offer this year,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and I think we'll do the same thing that we
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just did with the gold Gloves. Anybody if you want
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to call out in terms of you were surprised that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they received a qualifying offer, or maybe think that you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: this is the type of person who will end up
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: taking it. So we have Willia Dames shortstop from the Brewers,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Pete Alonso for a spaceman from the Mets, Alex Bregman
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: aforementioned Corbyn Burns or starting pitcher from the Orioles, Max
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Fried starting pitcher from the Braves, Tiascar Hernandez outfielder for
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Sean and Iya starting pitcher for the Mets.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: For some reason, every time I see that sp I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: want to do shortstop. Nick Pivetta starting picture for the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Red Sox, Nick Martinez picture for the Reds. Anthony Santander
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: outfielder for the Orioles, Luis Severino, starting pitcher for the Mets,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Juan Soto outfielder for the Yankees, Christian Walker, first baseman
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: for the Dback. So of that list, who what kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of pops out as surprising to you, Yeah, there's.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: A few guys that kind of pop out is a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: little surprising, And I would say the Mets are a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: little interesting with both Manaia and Severino. They're like, that's
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a bold move, Like, you know, we qualifying offer this
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: year is just over twenty one million dollars and so
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that's forty two million dollars to those guys. But I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: can kind of see it maybe maybe a slight overpay,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: but maybe they sign it and you get an extension
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So I feel like it's like they're trying to cover
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: themselves because right now that rotation in New York, they
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: need two or three starting pitchers because it's CODEI Senga,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: David Peterson, Paul Blackburn, Tyler mcguil, Jose Budos. I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that's part of it too, that they hope one or
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: both of those guys come back.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say I think the Mets, for
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: all the qualifying offers they have because where they've been
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at with the tax and I don't think they can
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: get that great of picks out of this deal if
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I recall, but I'll say the one that jumps out
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to me is Nick Pavetta for the Red Sox. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you know this, this is the guy that his era
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: in his career has never been below four and you're
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: giving him a qualifying offer after a season where he
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: didn't get to thirty starts, and you know his historically,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: he's kind of been hit or miss as far as
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you know, how dominant he has been. He's been kind
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of just like a cardiac kid to degree, and so
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised to see that Red Sox doing this.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like they would have offered him like a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: two year deal at thirty he probably would have just
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: taken it. And so that's that's what surprised me. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I was looking if you if you look at this
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: up first, one, I'm impressed by by your you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: exquisite skill and dedication to this pod. But what's Nick
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Pavetta's career earnings?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Whoh so, yeah, because he is hitting I'm gonna guess
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it's probably like thirty five million seventeen point nine million.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Really, okay, he is taking this qualifying offer. Is twenty
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: one million is more than he's earned it in his
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: entire career. He is taking this offer. No matter what
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going bold, he's taking it. He's a guy with
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a four o RA now with a tag of the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: qualifying offer. Of course he's taking it. So I was
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: just surprised at that. And yeah, I know, he's thirty one,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: he's still got a few probably strong, strong years in him.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But it just feels like for the Red Sox, a
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: team that needs to, you know, maybe Reset, putting twenty
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: one million on a guy like that dust doesn't seem
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: like the wisest of moves to me. I get pitching's
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: got more expensive. I get your you know, the cost
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of an average pitcher is probably what thirteen fourteen million now,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: not fifteen Yeah, so maybe that's part of it, But
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that one did stand out to me of a little
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: more aggressive than probably necessary. So tell me I'm wrong
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: or you kind of the same boat.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Here I am. I thought when you were saying Nick
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: though you were gonna go Nick Martinez, that just dumbfounding
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that Nick Martinez turned that second half performance into a
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: qualifying offer he put it up. It ended up being
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a three ten era over one hundred and forty two
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and a third innings during the year, but it was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: also crazy down the stretch. He turned positive fantasy value.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He was a huge fantasy ascid for people that had
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: him while all of all pitching in Cincinnati. But I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: do think that like maybe part of this is we
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: have to kind of like update our priors to the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to the market a little bit that in all actuality
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to get kind of like a mid rotation ish I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: would say, like top halfish of a rotation starter or
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars and not having to commit the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: long term deal. I think that is maybe a little
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: bit of what teams see here that sure, maybe you're
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: paying overpaying for one year, but like it's better than
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: committing one hundred or even just eighty million dollars to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: one of these guys when you might get only one
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: one and a half like solid years out of them
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: if they blow out.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair point of some of
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: these guys that you know, you're you are worried any
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: multi year deal with the picture anymore that you get
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: in and you go especially a two three year deal.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: A guy gets hurt in the first year, yeah, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the rest of us is gone, and so yeah, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: pay you know, three years sixty million, three years forty
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: five million, whatever that number is. You might just be
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: happy with the one year twenty one million because the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: risk is low. If you were wrong, you know, by
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the time you figured it out, you just let them
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: go next year. Right, It's it's not maybe that big
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of a deal. So that is an interesting point. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: think that we probably are undervaluing the flexibility that the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: guys on the one dear deal could bring. So good,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: good point. I'll give you credit for that one.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and all in major markets except for Sinatti Reds.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But I think that's also just like a hey, we're
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the Reds. We're not signing any pitcher on the open
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: market anyway, Come on back with Martinez.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, maybe Nick Martinez is next year is Cole Reagan's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and we'll figure it out.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, it's possible. I mean, it's a weeknd change up,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: so we'll see if he can keep it going. Okay,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: let's also cover some of the players who didn't actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: get a qualifying offer and whether any of these were
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: surprising to you as well. So we have first baseman
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith from the Cardinals, picture from the Dodgers Walker Beeler,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: another pitcher Shane Bieber from the Guardians, outfielders Jerks and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Profar from the Padres, and or infielder Hassan Kim for
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the Padres as well, Red Sox outfielder Tyler O'Neill, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yankee second baseman Labor Torres.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for me, most of these makes sense. I mean,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on the surface, maybe you could be argue little support
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: prized with that guy like Buehler, maybe even a guy
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like O'Neil with what he had a pretty good season.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's a lot of risk
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: with with those guys. I go back to the Red
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Sox with O'Neil, because we just talked about Paveta, Like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: if you're doing that anyway. The one that does jump
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: out to me is Hassan Kim. Is is I look
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: at guys that are like slam dunks for multi year
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: deals in the market. I mean, the guy just turned
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: twenty nine years old, like yeah, two weeks ago, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he can play second, he can play short, he is
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: a good, good fielder and he is a good hitter.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I mean his you know, he had a little bit
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of down season, but still, gosh darn useful he is.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You know WRC plus here of one a one, so
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: just that league average, but you know, one ten last year,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: one O five. Like he's a very very solid, useful player.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: And it seems like kind of kind of think the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Padres would want to try to capitalize on it, not
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: because they were thinking he'd accept it, just because it
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: feels like a free draft pick compensation to me. So
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that's the one that surprised me a little bit because
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I just think that he had what was going to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: have all kinds of options on the market and they're
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: not going to get the benefit of it. And man,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: when does Aj Preller ever cautious?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That is true? Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: really thought about that. Yeah, it would be funny to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: go back and rewind two years into the past, and well,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: amongst for warning people about maybe other things, to also
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: go back and warned them that, like, hey, Paul Goldschmid
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: not gonna get a qualifying offer when that deal is up.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I bet it would have blown their minds.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that he even got, I was like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: let go, that's probably what's gonna blow their minds. So
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Well, let's get into some signings and trades that have
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: happened here as we opened the first week of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: off season. First one is we have Michael Waka re
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: upping with the Kansas City Royals for three years so
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he will not hit the free agent market, coming off
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a fantastic year in Kansas City in which the he
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: really led. Well, I guess your boy called Reagan's led
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the Royals rotation to a wild card berth But Waco
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: went thirteen and eight with a three three five ERA
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: over one hundred and sixty two and two thirds innings
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: with one hundred and forty five strikeouts and a one
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen whip. So not only was he irl good, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Waca was a fantasy like two or three as well.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: So what do you think Waka can do going into
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and honestly, maybe even further into the future,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: because like it's he is older, he's getting up to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: he's thirty three years old. We'll turn thirty four in July.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But I mean still viable probably in dynasty leagues as
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: well too, Right, Yeah, I.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Mean, I still see Waka kind of on the back
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: end of the rotation options for me. You know, he he
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: is pitching in a park, this little concerning that it
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: does do better than what we generally expect. He isn't
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a high strikeout guy. He's just in, you know, kind
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: of an Indians eater type. And you know, even the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: last four years he has not top thirty starts. So
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you know, between not getting enough strikeouts, not necessarily you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: sticking around enough, he's more to that back end of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the rotation where I'm glad to get him if I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: got him for cheap, but I'm not sticking him there
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: too much because he's just okay for my for my ratios,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: he's just okay for my strikeouts. But there's a lot
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: worse options out there, and so I think that's one
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of those where you can pick up Waka pretty gush
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: darn reasonably, and as long as he's not like the plan,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you're pretty happy with Michael Waka. So really excited for
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: him because you know, he's kind of bounced all over
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the last few years. See Saint Louis in nineteen, Mets
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: in twenty, Tampa in twenty one, Boston twenty two, San
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Diego twenty three, in Kansas City in twenty four, So
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: he's probably just happy to stay home for once as
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: he gets through this one. So I'm a little luke
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: war on Waka from a fancy perspective, mostly because of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the strikeouts. But there's there's worst choices out there because
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna say I'm all in on tent or
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: how can he have the same issue?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very true that here. I'm gonna look it up
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: just because I'm interested from my own perspective. Okay, So,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: since the beginning of twenty twenty one, my Waka has
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: made ninety nine starts. Where do you think that ranks
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball? Oh?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Geez, because you're setting me up here, it's gonna be
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: higher than I think. And so I'm gonna say it's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: top thirty.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You're close. It's forty second, tied with Chris Lackson. I'm
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: not sure that made your point or not. No, some
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: of the people ahead of him not not worth owning.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean top fifty, So I mean I do
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: think that. Like that is what I like about Waka
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: is he's going to sneak up on you the way
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: A lot the way that like Seth Lugo did last year.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: That I mean, I think some people will be more
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: keen than on Walk after the thirteen win season. But
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: like certainly if he if he slips all at all
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in drafts and people are going out there and taking
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the next hot thing and chasing prospects or fireballers, Waka's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: pretty steady, especially if you're looking for somebody to pair
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: with maybe a little more volatile like pitching staff, that
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think he's a great option for fantasy. Okay, well,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: we had one trade that happened as well, and it
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was between the Braves and the Angels as they swapped
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Jorge Solaire straight up for Griffin Canning. So Canning will
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: be going over to Atlanta after being honestly like one
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of the worst fantasy pitchers in the entire pool. This
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: year absolutely killed you, especially if you had him like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: some sort of Gladiator league or best ball league that
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you know ran out of players because they were injured
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: because Waka or not Waka sorry. Canning put up a
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: five nineteen year ear over one hundred and seventy one
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and two thirds innings over thirty one starts. So he
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: pitched all season and pitched real poorly. For you, Jorge
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Solaire is going to go out to back to the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: West Coast here after getting traded from the Giants to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the Braves in season, coming off a pretty he actually hates.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: The numbers came in better than I would have expected
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: considering how he played with the Giants. He ended up
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: slashing two forty one three thirty eight. That's good for
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a one to nineteen WRC plus with twenty one homers,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: eighty four runs and sixty four RBI. The runs total
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: is a lot higher than usually just because he batted
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like lead off a lot for both San Francisco and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Atlanta at times. So who do you think won this
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: trade and what do you think this will do for
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: their fancy values going into twenty twenty five.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, the Braves won this trade, But
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: it's really just trying to dig out of the fact
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that they took Solar on the from the Giants and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: took every pin in that contract over the summer, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: so clearly they were just trying to jolt the offense
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and then they just shipped him out for a salary relief,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and you have to give them credit there a credit
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: in the front office for making moves early in the offseason,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what the Angels are doing. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: this is a common thread with the Angels, was bring
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Hora Solaira in and Kyle Hendricks and hope for the best.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Like it, it seems like a overpay for Solaire. To
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: your point, he did actually do better than I think
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: we realized this year, because he did come in, come
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: on on at the end of the season when people
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: probably weren't looking. But I do think that so there's
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: much more downside so Layer, and you could you didn't
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: need to pay the money you're paying So Layer for
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a guy to kind of put up a potentially similar line.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I think the Angels probably have other guys that they
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: would like to give a shot, you know, the guy
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: that can hit two forty and twenty homers, like if
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: that's where he ends up going into his age thirty
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: three season. Here, I just feel like there's better allocation
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: of funds. And you know, I think that's what the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Braids were doing. They were just trying to free some
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: money up. So I take the brave side here, just
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: because they got out from under a contract and that's
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: all this really.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Was, yeah, and you do you have to like it
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: looks good on paper for Solaire to find somewhere with
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: great playing time, good home run park. But the Angels
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: are one of those teams where I do not trust
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the training staff whatsoever. The White Socks are also in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: this boat. The Mets were in this boat, but I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: feel like they've come out of it a little bit
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: since Steve Cohen showed up and invested money in the team.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: But the Angels. You're also looking at somebody in Solaire
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: who's dealt with a lot of soft tissue injuries over
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the years, between obliques and hamstrings and quads, and that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is not a recipe for anything but a disaster. So
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it will look I think, tempting on paper, but I'm
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: not gonna be picking up to me Solaire Shares myself
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: unless it is a super rock bottom bargain bin price.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: This is also what I was hinting at with mon Sota.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: This does feel a little bit like the Braves are
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: clearing out a spot to really make a big pursuit
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: at Wan Soto. Right, Like you've got all that those
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: undermarket contracts between Azzi Albiz and Acunya and Austin Riley
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and just like everybody else that they've put together down
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: there Sean Murphy that you know they're signed to below
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: market contracts. You got to think that this is the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: time to cash in on that. Why not just step
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like on everybody's throats in the in the NL East
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and really pursue Wan Soto. I think that the Braves
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: really need to be in with the Mets and Yankees
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and match whatever best offer gets put down, because if
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: they can pair Acunya and Soto together, and they should
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: be able to give in Acunya's contract, that is going
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to be a behemoth forever, considering especially Atlanta's pitching development prowess.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just did not pick up on that,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but I think you're making a good call here. So
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at some numbers. The final payroll for
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four was two hundred and thirty five million
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: right now going into next year, the projector around two
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: fifteen after ARB and that's assuming they pick up Griffin
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Cannon's five million, Ramon Loreano's six million, and a few others,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: which I don't think will happen. So you have to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: think there's another twelve or so coming off of that,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and so that's right there, about thirty million available just
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: based on the last year where they're at, and that's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: just for twenty five and then that that falls off
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: a cliff coming into the free agency here, so you
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: rascill like Lecias Marcelo Zuna becoming free agents, and then
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: they have club options on a number of guys like
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson, Albi's are ce sale things like that. So
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: it does seem that they've kind of opened things up
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: for themselves to make a move. And if they want
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: to pay them fifty million a year, which is probably
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: going to take something like that, Yeah, it's actually actually
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: not a big deal for the Braves, like they will
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: actually have a spending room after that relative easily. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I like your call here. Only question I have is
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: they did pick up Ozuna for a sixteen mil, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: there's no way you couldn't. But if you're really trying
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to make a play for Sodo that that, you know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: you would have liked to have a little bit more available.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But they can, they can, they can ship out a
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: guy like Raylodo Lopez or Joe Jimenez or something like that. Uh,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and free up another seven to nine million without too
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: much effort. And it's uh an anthropolist out there. He's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: gonna do those kind of things, and he's gonna do
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: him quick. The thing we know with one Sodo and
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the Braves, if they're sign him, it's gonna be like
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: next week. They like to get.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Things done that. Yeah. Maybe not Joe Jimenez because I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: didn't put him in the reundown, but he actually is
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: out for the season.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Well never mind, Yeah I missed that is.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Like yesterday, two days ago he had, I.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Say, Joe himans I met Pierce Johnson.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also feel bad because in the one decent
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Draft Champions that I did in f PAS, the the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: let because we did like twenty three rounds and we're
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: gonna pick it back up in January, the last pick
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: of that draft was Joe Jimenez because like saves were
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: absolutely impossible to find. So sorry to that bro.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's rough.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. Next, we have a couple of front office transactions
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to get through, and so first one is Zach Manesian,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: who is Perrymnesian's brother, speaking of the Angels, was hired
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: on as the Giants DM, so he will be entering
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: into that foray, underneath Buster Posey and running I would
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: think more of kind of like the nitty gritty roster
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: management as Buster Posey is probably a little bit more
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: of like the face of that front office as Pobo.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And then we also have Skip Schoemaker joining the Texas
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Rangers as a senior advisor, which should pretty much I mean,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that spells out that I think Bruce Bochi's probably going
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to retire after twenty twenty five. That that seems kind
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of where that is heading again. You know, Boshi came
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: out of retirement to join the Rangers, won that World Series,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and Shoemaker especially being probably the premier managerial candidate on
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the market, that like, yeah, makes sense for him to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: find a good landing spot instead of I think he
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: did pull his name out that Chicago White Sox gig.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Like now that this got lined up, but what do
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you think about these moves here between Manasian younger Minesian
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: joining the Giants and Shoemaker joining the Texas Rangers.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, Manasium was with the Giants. I think already he's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: just getting promoted, okay, and so like not a big
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: chakra there, he's you know, I think he's gonna be
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Bozy bluster. Posey's right, and man, but I think she's
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the Shoemaker deal is incredibly interesting because that is quite
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the foresight by Chris Young there in Texas to because
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, like it lines up for Skip didn't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: get the Reds job, which he probably wanted, and then
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: he was looking at this White Sox job and like,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I really don't want this, but I would like to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: have a job, and clearly he was going to be
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: back with Miami and so he was the premiere candidate
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: there by far. And you're right, Bochi's he's at the
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: end of the line here. He can't keep coaching, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: so there's no question that they're just keeping Shoemacher warm
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: and looking at him as an easy plug in for
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: when that time comes. And so I think it's a
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: brilliant move because they are kind of stacking the bench
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: to get the minor leagues and managers type thing going on,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and Skip Schumacher, I think will do really well with
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that club. So nothing like getting a little exposure, having
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: good succession planning things like that. And they also let
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: him bring over Luis Eureta as the bench coach who
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was also a skip there in Miami, So like read
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the tea leaves here, like, yes, skips the manager in
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: twenty six in Texas.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, that's the That's the other thing
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I was going to point out too, is that, yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Eureta coming over from Miami who replaced Skipshee Maker as
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the interim coach there and comes across that it's pretty
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: clear that Boshi's going to kind of go on a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: farewell tour here in twenty six.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he deserves it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely easy. Hall of Famer. So next we well,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: we're gonna end up taking a little bit of a
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: break and coming back with Top Stadium Club Overview. But
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: before we do that, we have some calendar updates for
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the Baseball card releases. So as we're speaking today on
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: November sixth, we have Top Stadium Club hitting stores out there,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: so we'll be in hobby shops and retail stores in Blasters,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: but we'll get into, you know, some of the different
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: ways you can buy. It came out today. Next week
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: which we'll also preview next week in our podcast is
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: eleven thirteen. We have TOPS Chrome update coming out eleven twenty.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: They put it on the calendar. Finally, Tops Holiday is
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: coming out, so we'll both be jazz for that. We'll
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: probably actually maybe even preview that next week because we
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: should have a checklist and everything. And then we have
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: added to the calendar the ominous to be determined Bowman
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Draft twenty twenty four coming out. They've got the pre
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: order out on Tops which will hit and open up
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on November seventh, So I mean, I guess there might
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: be like a handful as that goes out there that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: lickus into this pod right when it comes out. They
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: might beat it to the pre order, but otherwise I
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't count on getting any of those pre order Bowman
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Drafts in by the time you get around till see
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: this pod. It should sell up pretty quickly on tops
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: dot com. So I know you're going to be excited
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: for all four of these that this is kind of
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: an account part of the calendar. You love brew, So
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: which of these sets are are you really honed in
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: on other than Stadium Club that we're gonna get into.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think for me it's usually I
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: mean usually say Holiday, but I'm gonna have to go
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: with Chrome Update this time around. I had a buddy
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: reach out to me a week or two back and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: he was just, hey, I got some cash, looking to
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: buy some cards, just looking to get a flagship set,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a few boxes. What should I what should I go for?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And like update all day? That thing is loaded, that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: thing is fun. Go for update. Uh, there's so much
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: things you can you can you can go through there,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: And I think that applies for you know, Top Chrome Update.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's yours, Paul Sken's chases, it's all those.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: So I think that that fun of chasing the big names,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: the big rookies and what could be a really really
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: strong product is gonna take over the the glitz and
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the glamb that is Top Soliday. So just this time,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: we'll flip it back next year back to Top Holiday. Nice.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean maybe might be going forward Tops
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Chrome Update because we'll get into it a little bit
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: more next week. But they will have those pro debut
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: patches that are being worn in Tops Chrome Update again
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: this year. They had that last year. So it does
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: seem like it's going to be something pretty consistent, especially
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: given the rookie class that came through this year. Obviously
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it's going to be anchored by the strength of the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: rookie class. But I think you did a great job
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of advising your buddy.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah I did too, but.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, glad to confirm it for you. Okay, Well,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like I said, we're going to take a short break,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: but stick around and we will be back to discuss
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the release of twenty twenty four Top Stadium Clubs. All right,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: welcome back everybody. We are going to discuss the new
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Tops release twenty twenty four Stadium Club which is pretty
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: consistently our number one release every year that it's been
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a favorite for us and lots of collectors out there,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: partly because of all the products out there. Stadium Club
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I think reaches the just great intersection of gorgeous cards
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and write price point. So if you go out there
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: on tops dot com or hobby shops or retail locations
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to get those value boxes, orphanags dot com I think
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: will still have some of the Stadium Club product you're
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: looking at. Your options to be able to buy them
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: are a hobby box which will run you somewhere between
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty bucks,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a compact box which will be somewhere around like sixty
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to eighty, it'll kind of somewhere be in that range,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: but that's essentially like a half of the hobby Box.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Hobby Box will have two autos, the Compact will have
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: one auto in it, and then after that you have
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: your value box blasters, which are kind of your standard
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like twenty five dollars blaster that you find anywhere like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: targets and walmarts and stuff like that. So it's a
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: very very affordable product on par with really like flagship overall.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, you don't have to worry about having
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: to like sort out do I want a hobby Box
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: or a Jumbo or this and that, as well as
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: like it does have I would say, a much more
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: trimmed down checklist overall in terms of we're only looking
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: at a three hundred card set here, pretty limited inserts,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and so with that kind of all together, I feel
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: like Stadium Club shines because they're able to focus on
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the photography, because they get just absolutely gorgeous photos. They
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: have a pretty nice, glossy little finish on the card.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So all those things add up to it being what's
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: been really one of my favorite releases since like I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: loved collecting these, going back to you know, nineteen ninety
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: one and nineteen ninety two when they first came out,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: then they got a little wonky in like the nineties,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: but in like a fun nineties way. I would say
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that this design returns to that a little bit of
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: like we've got a much more fun design on the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: front of them compared to what we've had for the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: past couple of years. So that's kind of the intro
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: here to Stadium Club. We're going to go through some
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: of the other highlights, but what stands out to you
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: this year going into twenty twenty four as we look
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: at Stadium Club overall as a product for you grew.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first thing always stands out Stadium Club
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: is the photography always great, always does a great job.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And like when we talk about clean cards, that's Stadium Club.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Like the basic, simple, you know design that they have
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: on there. It always it just focuses on the photography,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: not on the art of the card. And I absolutely
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: love that. The other thing that kind of jumps out
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to me this year is that they've got a few
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: you know, new things kind kind of coming in as
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: far as you know, insert sets to Chase and I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna call out one of them before you
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: even go there. And then I'm I'm really interest because
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I was slow to the ballgame on on these. And
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: then they got a variation, so the uh Triumvirates the
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: kind of the three card sets. It took me forever
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: to realize that the three cards you put together create
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: like one big card.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And I remember when I told that to you last
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: year and named I could just like literally see your
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: your like rain explode your mind.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Just like I just thought these were just like weird die.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Cuts, which they are, but they are, but.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: They actually go together. And what I like that they
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: did this year is they have a new uh nickname
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: variation of this where you you know, would pick you
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: were There's I think five players in this with show
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Hey Willie May's King, Griffy Nicky Mannel, and Jason Jason Dominguez,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: which one of these is not like the other.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And the Martian. It's also like an all timers a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: nickname you know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: It is, but uh it's three cards that go together,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: and in the background of the card it has their
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: you know, the nickname. So for really maze like to say, hey,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: kid in there. And so I think it's short printed,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: not easy to get. I think these are one in
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: fifty packs from the Hobby one in seventy two, kind
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: of a fat pack perspective, and there's about PNT runs
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: about four thousand for each card, and so think about it.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: You got to get three of them and put them
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: together to have that display, and then good luck finding
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: a top leader for that. So I think that's a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: really cool dynamic and something that they do a good
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: job to get. The photography is still great on those,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: but it is a very creative, unique thing about Stadium
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Club that I like the variation that they're doing this
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: year and so has nothing to do that. I was
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: just slow to the party on it and everything to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: do with the variation this time that that was jumping
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: out to me. So how about you, Is there anything
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: that really jumps out this year of unique, fun, exciting
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: things about Stadium Club.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, first to make you maybe feel low bit better,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I was maybe only a year at most a year
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: ahead of you on realizing triumvirnce was actually you put
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: all three of them together, Because then for the twenty
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: twenty three set last year, I put together the red
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: foil parallels of all the cardinals together, and it looks
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: pretty good all together, But like you said, it does
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: require trying to find some custom way to display them
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the way that you would have like a booklet insert.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Especially Yeah, if you rip some Allen and Ginter from
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: last week and got one of those booklets, good luck
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: trying to find a way to store that. But what
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: stands up for me, I think I've always loved being
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Team Beam. Team inserts always have just a special place
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: in my heart, not only because of my love of
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club going back into the nineties, but also the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: crossover into basketball that in the nineties I was honestly
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: probably about an equal baseball and basketball collector. That the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: card that I especially like, always wanted and I love
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and it shows is the nineteen ninety two ninety three
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan Beam Team card from Stadium Club. And this
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: is originally a basketball only insert, but they've poorted it
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: over across to Stadium Club twenty twenty four, so it
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: is pretty highly short printed. That like there was a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: couple of years there where the Beam teams weren't as
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: short printed, but they've gotten back to that practice the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: way they had them in the nineties, and it is
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: just like one of these seminal like nineties designs in
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: my head that like, I will post a picture of
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it on the related rasball post to this, which I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: show kicked off with. I guess is that if you're
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: looking for pictures of any of the designs that we're
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: talking about and you can't envision them through art, great
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: flowery poetry about these cards, check out rasball dot com.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: There'll be a related post where you can look at
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: all of these cards and kind of get a sense
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of what we're talking about. But the one that you'll
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: be able to see is the Ella de la Cruz
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Beam Team. It is just like the sides of it,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: it's got the silvers pattern, but it'll be like a
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: foil and it's gonna it will light up your face
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: in just like a very nostalgic way when you get
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a hold of this one in every two hundred and
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: fifty six hobby packs. So these things are gonna be
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: hot and they're gonna be hard to chase. That like,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough one to go out and buy.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But I guess if you really want one, maybe let
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the market settle a little bit over the next couple
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: of weeks and then and then make that pursuit. Otherwise,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: if you find one of these being team inserts and
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: anything you're opening over the next couple of weeks, make
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: sure to get that thing listened on eBay very quickly
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: because people will be trying to put this insert set together.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: And there's roughly only three hundred of the cards total
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: out there. It's gonna be a tough insert set to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: put together.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're You're absolutely right, and I'm just
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: looking at some of the like the sale prices on
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: these already on eBay and who it is pretty pretty impressive.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I saw one l Dela Cruz up there two days
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: left on auction one hundred and fifty dollars already. Yea,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: so it's gonna go. And the picture that you're probably
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: referencing does not do it justice. Like these cards absolutely
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: absolutely pop and you have to also, there's this nostalgia
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: about all the kind of the throwback variation designs. This year.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: They have that kind of nineteen ninety one top stadium
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: club logo and I don't know about you, but like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: that those were the years for me of like you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: could go to the store and buy a box of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: thirty packs. Each pack had like twelve cards, and you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: could just rip a ton of cards. And even back then,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Stadium Club just just had this thing about it with
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: the photography things. There was not an insert thing didn't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: exist back then, right, it was just about pure cards.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: When you're ripping, you there was not searching for value.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: You were putting the set together or you were doing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you know what you and I did. These kids take
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: the card, turn it over, read the back, look at
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: the stats, next card, like and you had one hundred
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: of ones to go through. But that that Stadium Club logo,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: that retro logo, it just brings like so much nostalogen
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: for them to throw that on, like the Beam Team cards.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's that's a pretty pretty good one.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: So you're right. I think people are gonna try to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: put that set together and it's and they're gonna have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: a heck of a time doing that because those cards
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: are gonna be popular for the individual collector from a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: rookie perspective and then also from a set collective collective,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: and it's not And I do expect there's gonna be
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: some deals out there on those because you're right, Beam
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Team for a few years became like not a big deal,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: like they were so overprinted. Now they were just back inert.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah they were, And so now I think people are
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: gonna see them just Beam Team and it's a case hit, right,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a different experience for folks. But yeah,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: absolutely loving what we're seeing the Beam Team this year.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then some of the other inserts we got.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have the Going Yard die cuts, which have
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: been around for a few years now, and that's actually
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: more limited than it was last year. So last year
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: it was somewhere I would say between like a short
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: print and a insert set. In this year it's a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: little more short printed, as you've only looking at pulling
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: a Going Yard card out of one and every one
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine hobby packs. They are bringing back
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Special Forces, which is more of a baseball insert. So
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: they did this for basketball too back in the day,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: but I I guess maybe it might have been a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: basketball insert first, but I associated with baseball. Two. Also,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of like there's a Special Forces David Robinson
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: card that I know I have somewhere, but that's back
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and that would be more of like your standard insert
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: it's one in every eight Hobby packs. So if you're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: looking for maybe something to gain a little bit that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: nostalgia that isn't running quite as hot or as expensive
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: as the Beam Team inserts, Special Forces would be the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: way to go. And it's going to have a pretty
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: similar high profile insert you know, list of names, so
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: lots of great things to chase here. And then what
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I'm also looking forward to is traditionally for the past
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: few years when they've been doing Stadium Club, they have
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the inserts. So if you're new enjoying us, one of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: our favorite traditions with larger set releases is to go
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: through all of the parallels that might be out there,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: all the color parallels for each card, because one, it's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: fantastic getting to know all of the different variations. Two
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: it also helps, I think, maybe give you a sense
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: of where we are at in modern card collecting that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, a lot of this stuff is pretty
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: overprinted and isn't going to hold its value. Stadium Club
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit different story that we're looking
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: at a print run that it's higher this year, but
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: it's just a shade under seventy thousand last year is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: like fifty five, but even back in twenty twenty one
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: it was just under shade under like forty thousand. Still
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: nothing compared to the millions and millions of Tops Update
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: base cards out there, But the foils are different this year.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It used to be that they would just the little
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club foil stamp would be a different color for red,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: for black, for orange. This year there's a color background
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to the card as well, so they pop a lot more.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I love it because I think it's also going to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: make them a heck of a lot more collectible that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: these red foil inserts, especially like they're pretty common, like
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: they aren't numbered, that they're in pretty much every pack
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: that you get. And so if you're looking at a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: red foil insert of Elie de la Cruz for the Reds,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I was actually looking the Mason win one looks amazing
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: because there's just something that it's Mason wind In, like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the road uniform with the blue hat, and I don't
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: know what it is, but you put that Cardinal's road
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: uniform with the blue hat on a red background, it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: pops for me. I love it. So I'm really looking
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: forward to the color foils actually, including color in the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: background the way like a normal kind of parallel wood
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: that it's gonna make I think this set from twenty
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: twenty four a little bit more special.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just looking like the Ellie that that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: looks good. He's in the home Reds for sure. Like
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: the Mike Trout color match, like the there's gonna be
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: some really cool cool things here. I think even the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: black I'm not gonna say that the White Sox color match,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: but maybe the Yankees one is a little bit more
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: exciting here. So I think that's a good call out
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: that that is different, that they've done that this year.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And the cars just absolutely absolutely stick out and you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: can't you can't miss him. So that's a that's a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: huge upgrade if you ask me. No, it's still like
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: the fact we still have like the members only in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: the photographer's proof in the first State issue, and some
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: of those other kind of dynamics that are still kind
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: of the i'll call it the base card with some
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: other embellishment on it, but the the base color, man,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: those are those are fun. I haven't bought a box yet.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I was we got just basically got too busy today,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Otherwise it might have happened. I'm thinking tomorrow might be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: making the stop. These are these are looking really really fun.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: You mean by tomorrow, you mean right after this podcast
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you're running straight to Walmart.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's it's I gotta just support the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: local hobby shop. So we get the hobby box and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: so I got I have some level of principles there.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: You go, Okay, well you hit on some of them,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna let you go through the parallel run down.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: We've got fourteen of them for this set, so it's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: a lot more manageable.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: This is yeah, especially if you're looking at a set
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: where if you want to make a shot at a rainbow,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I think this is a great set. You've only got
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: to go out there and get fourteen parallels in addition
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: to the base. So you've got fifteen variations and uh, brew,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I'll let you let them rip.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Well before I do, I want to call something out
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: because you talk about the rainbow. I think the other
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: really fun thing with the set that people have to
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: consider is the parallel set. Something's hard to do, but
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: if you look at those like red foils or the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: black foils, things that are much more common Red foils.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: For example, the print runs about eighty two hundred. You
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: could put together an entire set of the red foils
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: and that would just be an amazing looking set, put
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: in a binder or something like that. And also, I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: know the resale value is probably as good as you want.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe on a card show it could be just because
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: the individual like Eli de la Cruz, it's gonna be
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: pretty pricey itself. But I think that's just that pipe dream.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll make a run of that over the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: next year, once the once the thrills die down. But anyway,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: parallel checklist here. We got the red foils, they are
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: one and two hobby packs mentioned about eighty two hundred
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: on the print run. For those pink foils, they are
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: one of one, one of one, one out of everyone.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Fat packs. There's about fifty seven hundred of those blackfoil.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Red and black foil used to be kind of every
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: other or similar print runs a little different this year,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: black foils one and out of every nine hobby packs,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: about twenty three hundred of those, about a quarter of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: the red print run. You got your sepias one out
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: of eight blaster packs, about one thousand Sepias out there.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Green foils are out in one ninety nine. Those are
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: one and thirty hobby packs. Gold foil another car that's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: really gonna jump pack odds of one and sixteen on
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: your hobby there's only about one hundred and seventy of
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the gold foils, Black and whites about double the rarity
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: here pack odds one forty nine. There's about ninety of
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: those print runs. Then you get the purple foils out
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: of seventy five, you get the blue foils out of fifty,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: rainbow foils out of twenty five, and then you start
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: to get into the other ones that aren't gonna be
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the color variations. You get your members only. Those are
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: A one and two hundred and fifty six hobby packs.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Only twenty five of the members only stamps on those
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: photographers proof double the rarity of members only. One in
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: five hundred and twelve hobby packs. There is a print
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: run of about twelve of those twelve or thirteen, depending
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: on how you want to do your math there if
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: you're rounding up or down. First AI issues are out
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: of ten one in five hundred and eighty eight hobby packs,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: and then you got your gold rainbow foil one of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: One's and this is what's crazy. One of ones one
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and seventy eight seven two, seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty eight hobby packs. Not that rare for one
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  Speaker 2: of One's to pull things out again it goes to
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  Speaker 2: the print run on the Stadium Club is still in
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  Speaker 2: check and that's just absolutely absolutely tunes to my ears.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't cover two that there is pro
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  Speaker 1: there's chrome variations all the cards in this set too.
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  Speaker 1: So they killed my favorite of all time, my boy
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  Speaker 1: Stadium Club Chrome, which ran from twenty twenty to twenty
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  Speaker 1: two I believe if I'm correct, they only ran it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: for three years, but it was its own set on
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: top of Stadium Club, mostly because Stadium Club Chrome gifted
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: me my greatest baby, Shoho Tani of ten Power Zone Auto. That. Yeah,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I've got some house renovations coming up, and there's going
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to be some interesting conversations and debates within my house
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: about where that card should lie.
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  Speaker 2: But well, I'm just saying, if you need somebody to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: hold on to it, I know it got.
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  Speaker 1: You. Make it.
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  Speaker 2: Make a good point. The chrome, the Chrome variation again
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  Speaker 2: another set you're looking to put together. Those all do
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  Speaker 2: have their own parallels, and we'll run through real quick. Here,
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  Speaker 2: you got the refractors, there's about twelve hundred of those
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  Speaker 2: from a front run one to nine packs at your greens,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: about six hundred and fifty. Then you get your that
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  Speaker 2: it jumps down pretty quickly. Your orange refractors out of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: nine to nine, purple out of seventy five, your pearl
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: whites out of thirty gold minted refractors, it'spect to be
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  Speaker 2: about twenty five of those, and then your superfractors. Those
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: are one of one, one out of five and eighty
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  Speaker 2: hobby packs. So again those are the full three hundred
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  Speaker 2: cards set for the the the chrome variations. And then
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  Speaker 2: you do get into a few other design variations image
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: variations that are kind of like thirty five card sets
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  Speaker 2: as well, but those aren't necessarily parallels of the base.
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  Speaker 2: So good call out on the chrome variations, because I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: mean we were only talked about like ten to fifteen
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: variations and for a top product that's pretty light by
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: about you know, fivefold.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, because yeah, the base foil Ones was fourteen fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: When you include the base card and then the chrome variations,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like you end up with seven in addition
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  Speaker 1: to the base chrome. So I mean that is kind
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  Speaker 1: of nice, like it is a way for me to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: like pursue a Stadium Club chrome set, but wow, that
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  Speaker 1: would take a while to be able to put it
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  Speaker 1: all together, and they're not easy exactly to like kind
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: of track down in bulk. So but it is great
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: that like it's kind of embedded in Stadium Club again,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: where like it did feel like last year. I guess
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  Speaker 1: I could go back and check the chrome variation to
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  Speaker 1: see what it was, but I think it's a little
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: higher in this in this product, partly because the print
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: run in total is a little bit higher. But it's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: great because like Stadium Club Chrome, honestly, like those sets
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: when they put them out were about this short printed.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't too much more than like ten
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: thousand of those sets out there maybe, so like it's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: kind of cool that they embedded it here that it's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: not like gone forever, but it certainly does make it
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  Speaker 1: harder for me, a lover of the chrome and the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club coming together, to get my hands on it.
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  Speaker 2: I did run across. I think it's a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: Stadium Club Chrome in ten cent boxes the other day
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: digging through a local card shop and it was just like, well,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: there's some gold in the like, oh, they're all based cards,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: but I was like, hey, you get a rookie in that.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: It might be a ten dollars rookie. You have a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: base chrome card because of how short printed it was.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know if we're quite to that
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: same level with these, but I think that you know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: it's it's definitely going to add some fun variety. And
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: to your point, it's like they did kind of combine
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: two products into one, which which still gives you the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: chance to go after things, but does kind of amp
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: up the print run just a little bit for tops.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean with that too, like I because
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: when they had that, the Stadium Club chrome cards would
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: have a different image on them than the regular Stadium
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Club base, and then the base would have a chrome variation.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: And so I think maybe that can create confusion in
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: the market as well for tops that like as somebody
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: who's tried to sell some of those chrome insert variations
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: from regular stadium club and people confusing it for Stadium
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Club chrome. Even as I'm explaining this, I can tell
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of confusing that, like people don't necessarily
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: know which images which, especially as the years go by,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: So I think from tops the side, it's great for
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: that great kudos, but also a good thing to keep
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: in mind because like the chrome cards pop even more
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: than the regular base cards, so if you do have those,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: certainly kind of keep track of them that they might
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: not always have great value, but they can ebb and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: flow pretty quickly. Just as an example from the Stadium
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Club Chrome twenty twenty set, the Baseman Soto from that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: set is wildly, wildly popular and hard to get your
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: hands on and more expensive than any another base card
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: that you'd expect because he's doing the Soto shuffle in
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it and it's just a great shot of that. So
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: that is something to keep in mind. And I think
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: also something like if you are getting the baseball cards
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: for one of the first times, or you know, re
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: entering into the it after picking it, putting it down,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you know, between childhood and you know, being able to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: get back into it as an adult, this is a
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: great place to start because like Stadium Club cards, I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: think also hold a lot more value based on the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: photo and the design of the cards. So if you've
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: got a card with a great photo, historic moment on it,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: something that really stands out and catches your eye as
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: a baseball fan, lots of other people are going to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: have that same opinion. And so I think there is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a simplicity to Stadium Club that I really love, and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: so it's a great product to enter into, I think
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: from that perspective, And like, if you just love the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: game from an estec you can't find a better set
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: out there than Stadium Club.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. We we both absolutely love Stadium Club
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: and there it's just packed full of fun, fun inserts,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: fun parallels to go after. And at the end of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: the day, the best part of it is it doesn't
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: have to be about the chase. It's like, this is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: one of those true products about the beauty the cards,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's a it's not a rip. It's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: like when we talk about ripping boxes, ripping packs, going
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: through that kind of implies you're busting through these looking
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: for the gyms. Right, the whole thing is the gym.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Like when you rip Stadium Club, it's it's sit down,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: sit in front of the TV, take your time, enjoy
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: enjoy that one. It's not a car rip by any means.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: No, you're here. I think that's a that's a great
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: spot to kind of leave off our discussion here of
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club and wrap it up. So if you are
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: looking for links to any of the things that we've
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: discussed here, you can certainly find them in the show
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: notes here. And like I said, kind of I guess
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: halfway through our discussion, not quite at the top of it.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: But if you're looking for specific examples of like what
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: these cards look like, check out rasball dot com go
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to this post there and you'll be able to check
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: them out all on one go. It's pretty easy to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: scroll through. And with that, let's wrap it up for
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: this week, Bruce. So let everybody know where they can
• 1:17:24
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• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:39
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• 1:17:41
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• 1:17:44
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• 1:17:47
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• 1:17:50
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• 1:18:25
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• 1:19:16
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• 1:19:18
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• 1:19:21
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