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“YOU’RE CATHOLIC”: The MYSTERIOUS EXPERIENCE That CHANGED T.K. Coleman’s LIFE · Adrian Milag Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: But you can find a ton of sermons where just the Catholics aren't even interested in that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: You come over to our stuff, let us open up our mouths talking about Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: They can't help themselves.
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SPEAKER_00: They have to come into our spaces and say, Stop it, stop it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It agitates something.
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SPEAKER_00: Something gets agitated when we give honor to Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: Here's one of the many reasons the devil hates Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: People looked at Jesus and said, What you do, you do the works of the Elzebub.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really hear anybody calling Protestants demonic.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really hear anybody saying that they're doing witchcraft or idolatry.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I hear atheists say, you know, these are made-up fairy tales, but I don't really hear anybody saying about them that they're doing idolatry.
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SPEAKER_00: But I know Jesus, the God we serve, he was accused of doing the works of the Elzebub.
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SPEAKER_00: So people accuse you of that.
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SPEAKER_00: You get to identify with the Savior.
0:47
SPEAKER_00: Of course we get accused.
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SPEAKER_00: And had you talked to her six months before that, six years before that, and you said, all right, name one person that's the least likely to become Catholic, she would have named me right away.
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SPEAKER_00: She wouldn't have named like some Hollywood celebrity that's anti-religious.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: She would have been like, oh, my husband right away.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: My husband right away.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: And she was thoroughly shocked.
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SPEAKER_00: And the cool thing about it is because of a lot of the challenges we were going through, and just because of a lot of other difficulties going on in our lives at that time, she was wrestling with some things as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And her faith was taking a hit.
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SPEAKER_00: And when that moment happened, it was it was a great confirmation in her faith, and it began to strengthen her.
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SPEAKER_00: And we went from her going to Mass by herself to us going to Mass together, you know, and not just on Sundays, going throughout the week.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's been beautiful.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: It's been beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: God is good.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: And she said, you know, I would love for you to come to my camp and speak.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: But she wasn't asking me to speak about faith, she was just asking me to speak about the things related to what I was doing with my work.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: And I went to this camp, and I'm thinking that it's just gonna be another, you know, day at work for me.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: And I was at an adoration service that was there.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's actually where they had me talk to the students.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: And when I went back to my room later on, I had felt something happen up there that I couldn't quite understand.
2:10
SPEAKER_00: And when I went back to my room later on, it was like I heard a voice that was so loud, it said, You're Catholic.
2:18
SPEAKER_00: And I just dismissed it as a crazy thought, something that makes no sense whatsoever.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: And I just kind of batted it away, just as I would if I heard a voice that says you're a millionaire, right?
2:30
SPEAKER_00: I don't know where that came from, but if I know anything, I know that's not true.
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SPEAKER_00: And I heard it again, man, and it was like a punch in the gut from the inside, just like boom, you're Catholic.
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SPEAKER_00: And I knew, man, I felt it at a visceral level that cannot be verbalized.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just felt something change on the inside.
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SPEAKER_00: And before I left that retreat, I began to cry because I knew that my life as I knew it was over.
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SPEAKER_00: And I also knew that all the resistance that I had about the past, all the fear that I had about the past, all the worries about the social costs, that it was time to let that go, man.
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SPEAKER_01: It was time to let that go.
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SPEAKER_01: In the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: Prayer for protection of technology.
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SPEAKER_02: Lord Jesus Christ, sovereign and king enthroned in heaven, in your love and mercy.
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SPEAKER_02: I ask this you establish a perimeter of protection with your precious blood around our communication devices and all technology we use and own our phones, computers, tablets, and other devices.
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SPEAKER_02: The cameras or webcams, microphones, speakers, displays, any and all software.
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SPEAKER_02: Wi-Fi connection in the air, both my router and the router of Brother TK.
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SPEAKER_02: We are communicating with the optic cables involved in the transmission of data and the light waves being used to transfer data.
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SPEAKER_02: Cleanse them with your precious blood and drive from them any satanic influence.
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SPEAKER_02: I ask that you establish around them a sanctuary of your mercy where Satan and any other evil spirit or human agency cannot interfere.
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SPEAKER_02: I ask, Father, that you will block, bind, rebuke, and render impotent any assault of the evil one from them in any way.
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SPEAKER_02: Father, so long as these instruments are utilized, we ask you to allow them to enjoy the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Carlo Ahutis, Saint Michael the Archangel, and all the holy angels.
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SPEAKER_02: We ask this in your most holy name, the name before which every knee shall bow in heaven, on the earth, and under the earth, that Jesus Christ is Lord.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: In the name of the Far Son, the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome, brother TK Coleman.
4:41
SPEAKER_02: It's a great pleasure.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh man, I appreciate you bringing me on and making some time for me, man.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: Praise God.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: So I'm grateful for all the work that you do representing the faith, man.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: I tell you, man, like but between the Philippines and Africa, man, I don't know who's holding it down more, but uh the Filipinos have been around for a long time holding it down.
5:02
SPEAKER_00: So I gotta give you guys your props, you know.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: Y'all know how to pray.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: And thank you.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Because uh you inspire me with your devotion.
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SPEAKER_02: Your story are very inspiring.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm honored that we are now talking online, Brother TK.
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SPEAKER_02: Likewise, Adrian, likewise, my brother.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh no, man, you know, I I I look for every excuse to to give honor to our lady.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: And since you mentioned her there, I just wanted to, you know, take a moment to shout her out and thank her for bringing us together.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, St.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: Alphonsus Liguri says in the glories of Mary, that if you were take to gather up all the people in the world and you were to transform every member of their body into tongues, and you were to command all of those tongues to sing in praise of Mary, that would be only a fraction of the praise that she is due.
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SPEAKER_00: So giving much honor, giving much glory, giving much praise to the Holy Mother.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm very thankful for her leading me to that experience with the Eucharist that transformed me and her lifting the veil from my eyes so that I could see the truth of the Holy Catholic Church.
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SPEAKER_00: And I don't take that for granted.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm so grateful to be here.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And Brother TK, for our audience who have seen you for the first time, maybe we can you can share a background about yourself, uh, what you're doing right now.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: So, in terms of conversion or just what what I'm up to in the world now?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm you're a prophet before we talk about your conversion.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm a co-host of the Minimalist Podcast, and this is a podcast about the role of simplicity and sacrifice in our pursuit of the good life.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're fed a lot of messages by consumerism about how we need more things, more followers, more status, more stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And so much of our lives is oriented around the pursuit of more.
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SPEAKER_00: And so in a world where success and personal improvement and growth is often defined by addition, we focus on the subtraction side of things.
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SPEAKER_00: If I were to take two plus two and five minus one, both of those get you to the same result.
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SPEAKER_00: One gets you by way of addition, the other gets you there by way of subtraction.
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SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the places that we want to be in life, we have to get there by subtraction.
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SPEAKER_00: And the world is constantly focusing on addition.
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SPEAKER_00: And so minimalism is about talking about the subtraction, the subtraction side of success, the subtraction side of personal growth.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have our weekly podcast, and in addition to that, my wife and I are doing parish missions where you know we talk about our marriage and how the rosary saved our marriage.
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SPEAKER_00: I talk about my conversion story.
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SPEAKER_00: We pray the rosary together and do rosary reflections.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's really been a big deal.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah, that's that that's all I'm up to.
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SPEAKER_00: That's really worth talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: You could you can ask me about anything else, but that's that's the highlight to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in sure, less is more.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, rather DK.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: That's right, man.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Living a simple life.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes we are so fed up with so many things that we want in life, but we just need only simple things that make us happy.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: And and what one of the biggest misunderstandings around minimalism is that minimalism is a means to an end.
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SPEAKER_00: Minimalism can't save us, minimalism can't satisfy us, but minimalism is a message about the insufficiency of things to save us and satisfy us.
8:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, in the book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon talked about how all is vanity, everything is meaningless.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the new covenant understanding of that is that life is meaningful, but what Solomon discovered is that the world is not big enough to satisfy the desires of the heart.
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SPEAKER_00: As the catechism teaches us, man was created to know God and to be in union with him.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that is the end of all things.
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SPEAKER_00: So I look at minimalism as a kind of exterior practice that prepares the heart for spiritual poverty.
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus tells us in the Beatitudes, blessed are those who are poor in spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: The spiritual poverty is that virtue where we live in a continual recognition of our nothingness before God, a continual recognition of our dependency upon Him.
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SPEAKER_00: To be poor means that I have nothing of my own and I depend on what others can give me.
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SPEAKER_00: To be poor in spirit means that I see my relationship to God like that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the practice of minimalism can be a great way to remind ourselves that not only are things unable to, but ultimately nothing in this world belongs to us anyway, and we're simply stewards of that which belongs to God.
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SPEAKER_00: And he has given us a wonderful grace to offer back up to him that which is already his.
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SPEAKER_00: And the crazy thing is, he rewards us for it.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
9:37
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: And TK, you once told your wife that I will never become Catholic.
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SPEAKER_02: So what was the biggest doubt or wall in your heart back then?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what's interesting is long before I met my wife, I took a journey towards Rome.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: And at that time, uh a couple of friends and myself were attending a lot of Eastern Orthodox churches, a lot of Catholic churches, studying the ancient church, reading about the church fathers, really digging into this.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: And I was attending an evangelical Bible church at that time.
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SPEAKER_00: And long story short, the amount of intense criticism and social rejection and suspicion with which I was met was so heartbreaking and demoralizing for me.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: And I was much younger at that time that I became bitter in my heart.
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SPEAKER_00: And I used it as a as a reason for walking away from religion altogether.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said in my heart, this isn't worth it.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the problem with religion anyway.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: And I went more into the religiously pluralistic kind of new age route, focused more on self-improvement rather than anything that was really Christ-centered.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: And so it wasn't so much about objections to the ideas, because I had done a lot of studying and I was right there, man.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: And I was, I was so ready for it, but I was also so wounded.
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SPEAKER_00: And I had a lot of pride as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have faith in God to keep me and what other people thought of me was more important than doing what I know that I was called to do.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: And so when I said, you know, I will never become Catholic, a lot of that had to do with the hurt that I had experienced.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: A lot of that had to do with the fact that I had pretty much given up on this and that I had found a lot of peace and a lot of progress in just thinking about life in terms of personal development and being the best version of yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I didn't see any need for Catholicism with all of its demands and with all of its social costs.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't even interested in investigating it any further.
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SPEAKER_00: I had been there, I had done that, I had made my decision.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: You do you, I'm gonna do me.
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SPEAKER_00: That was the mentality behind those words.
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SPEAKER_00: But our lady had different plans, man.
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SPEAKER_00: So what happened after that?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so my wife went to Paritas of Birmingham.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: It is the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: site for the appearances of Our Lady of Magigory.
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SPEAKER_00: And when she was there, she saw how many of the people who came to the retreats were so on fire for Our Lady.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: And they prayed the rosary an awful lot.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was in that context where she learned about Mary and consecration, and she consecrated herself to Mary, and she made a commitment to praying the rosary every day for a year.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, I had no idea what any of what any of that meant.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: That was just my wife doing her Catholic thing, but that really set the stage because it just so happened to be the case that a year after she made that commitment to praying the rosary every day, that I had my experience with the Eucharist.
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SPEAKER_00: I was I was busy focusing on my work at that time.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: And an old friend from grade school and the first year of high school, her name, her name at that time was Elizabeth Burr and her husband Ryan oversee Camp Veritas.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: And it's a camp that's all about just bringing younger people closer to Jesus, mostly high school students and below.
12:57
SPEAKER_00: And she got back in touch with me.
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SPEAKER_00: I hadn't seen her for many years, and she said, you know, I would love for you to come to my camp and speak.
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SPEAKER_00: But she wasn't asking me to speak about faith.
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SPEAKER_00: She was just asking me to speak about the things related to what I was doing with my work.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: And I went to this camp, and I'm thinking that it's just gonna be another, you know, day at work for me.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: And I was at an adoration service that was there.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: And that's actually where they had me talk to the students.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: But when I went back to my room later on, I had felt something happen up there that I couldn't quite understand.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: And when I went back to my room later on, it was like I heard a voice that was so loud, it said, You're Catholic.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: And I just dismissed it as a crazy thought, something that makes no sense whatsoever.
13:46
SPEAKER_00: And I just kind of batted it away, just as I would if I heard a voice that says you're a millionaire, right?
13:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't know where that came from, but if I know anything, I know that's not true.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: And I heard it again, man, and it was like a punch in the gut from the inside, just like boom, you're Catholic.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: And I knew, man, I felt it at a visceral level that cannot be verbalized.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: And I just felt something change on the inside.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: And before I left that retreat, I began to cry because I knew that my life as I knew it was over.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: And I also knew that all the resistance that I had about the past, all the fear that I had about the past, all the worries about the social costs, that it was time to let that go, man.
14:30
SPEAKER_00: It was time to let that go and to trust God with my life, to trust God with my future.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: And so, like mommy did, I said yes.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: But my yes wasn't as pure and unqualified as the Blessed Virgin Mary's, but I said yes, man, and that's how it happened.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: And so my wife was the most surprised person to know that.
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SPEAKER_00: When I came back home, you know, things have been pretty tense leading up to that trip.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: And and we had some major issues that we were working through.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I came back home and I sat her down and I said, you know, I've got something I need to tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: And I I wasn't expecting this, and and I I never thought a million years I'd say this to you.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: And she was scared that I was gonna say some horrible words like I don't want to be with her anymore.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: And I told her, I'm I'm becoming Catholic.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: And had you talked to her six months before that, six years before that, and and you said, All right, name one person that's the least likely to become Catholic, she would have she would have named me right away.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: She wouldn't have named like some Hollywood celebrity that's anti-religious, she would have been like, Oh, my husband right away.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband right away.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: And she was thoroughly shocked.
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SPEAKER_00: And the cool thing about it is because of a lot of the challenges we were going through, and just because of a lot of other difficulties going on in our lives at that time, she was wrestling with some things as well, and her faith was taking a hit.
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SPEAKER_00: And when that moment happened, it was it was a great confirmation in her faith, and it began to strengthen her.
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SPEAKER_00: And we went from her going to mass by herself to us going to mass together, you know, and not just on Sundays, going throughout the week, and and it's been beautiful, it's been beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: God is good.
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SPEAKER_02: How quick and instantly you just heard that that voice, and then it's really changed your heart.
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SPEAKER_02: It's really the grace of God uh transforming our heart uh that way, brother TK.
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SPEAKER_02: So, how did you start falling in love with uh the rosary?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so let me just say one thing about about this conversion and what it means to me in terms of evangelism.
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SPEAKER_00: I I've said this many a times, but the conversion story that I have is not the conversion story that I wanted or that I want.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't like my conversion story.
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SPEAKER_00: I I tell it because I'm morally bound to tell the truth tell the truth.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'll tell you the conversion story that I want.
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SPEAKER_00: I want a conversion story that says I read 5,000 books.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: I read every single thing read by the church fathers.
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SPEAKER_00: I am the world's foremost debater on Catholicism.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Feel so sorry for questioning the church.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: That's the conversion story that I want.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: It feels good to even think about that, just to imagine that being my conversion story.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: I feel good.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: That's not the one that I got.
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SPEAKER_00: The one that I got was one where my heart was broken wide open by the Eucharist, and where our lady led me straight to the feet of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: And my eyes were simply opened.
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SPEAKER_00: My eyes were simply opened in a way that transcends what I can defend and understand.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And I know that's a gift to me for my humility because that allows people to laugh.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: That allows people to dismiss me.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: That allows people to say, oh man, this dude had an emotional experience.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: And every time they say that, I know that God is using that for my sanctification because I need that cross.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: I need that cross of being misunderstood.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: I need that cross of being dismissed, I need that cross of not being taken seriously as an intellectual that's necessary for my sanctification.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: But the inspiring aspect, that's the part I don't really like, but I appreciate and I understand.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Here's the part that I love and that speaks to me very strongly.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: When God decides it's time, it's time.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: And when the sacrifices have been made, when the prayers have been made, when the food has been denied because people have fasted and suffered for you, there is nothing that any devil in hell can do to keep you in his grip.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: What our lady wants, our lady gets.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: And so many times as believers, we look around at people that have negative attitudes towards the Catholic faith and we get so dismissed about it.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: We see on Catholic videos, people can't help themselves.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: They come into our comment section and they say all sorts of negative, mean things.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: And we think that is so powerful and we get so upset about it, we get so annoyed about it.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: But one of the things that my conversion story teaches me is that none of that stuff has any power whatsoever, other than the power we give to it by taking it seriously.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: It is nothing more than the devil getting angry and using whoever he can to scream at us with the hope that we will take his word seriously, internalize it, and embody it as fear.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: But if we dismiss that and we say a single hell Mary sincerely said is more powerful than a billion negative things uttered about the Catholic faith, we win.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: As St.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Louis de Montfort said, where Mary is, the devil never has had and never will have access.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: He says again that these blessed deeds put devils to route.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: And so, man, when it comes to standing up for the faith, I don't worry about what anyone says.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't worry about how far away they feel from the Catholic faith.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: They can post videos every single week on YouTube.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: Here are five things that all Catholics are deceived about.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet I know that if we as Catholics ignore that and we go into our parishes and we sit with Jesus there in the blessed sacrament, that is more powerful than all the anti-Catholic YouTube videos that have ever been made.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: I believe it was St.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Bernadette who was asked what is her greatest fear, and she says it's just bad Catholics.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: They said anything, she says, nope, bad Catholics.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: If we pray our rosary and we spend time with Jesus in the Eucharist, there's nothing that can stop the church, man.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: No matter how loud they are, no matter how smart they seem, no matter how intimidating it may be.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm thankful for being converted in that way because it lets me know in a way that is through direct experience that God can win souls in a way that surprises even the soul itself, you know?
20:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's very moving.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: God's really moved in ways that we really didn't expect how he will catch us to the moment.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it might have been on the Gabi video where I gave a testimony.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember which he says, You gotta go look at the comments, make it.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't want to look at the comments.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: Gabby's like, you gotta go look.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: He says, There's some stuff you need to see.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: So I went and looked and I saw some like really great comments.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: I I did see one comment where someone says something like, you know, with all of that confidence I come to know and love from my Protestant brothers and sisters.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: That's not in the Bible.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I love TK Coleman, but he's the seed.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: That is not in the Bible.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Nowhere in the Bible does anything say about the rosary.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: And I've been given the grace to look at that and to smile and say, I'm glad you use your real name for that comment because I'm coming for you.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm coming to get you.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm giving you all my rosaries for this week.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm coming for you.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, because what we have in that is so much powerful than what those people have in confidence, in bravado, in antagonism or whatever else it may be.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, man, I hope that encourages somebody out there.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Don't apologize for your faith.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: Don't be afraid of your faith.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Don't be shy about it.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: You know, don't hold back because there may be someone out there that'll misunderstand it or that'll misunderstand you for it.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: If people criticize you, then that means Jesus is giving you the opportunity to acquire merits.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: He's giving you the opportunity to be perfected in the faith.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: You're identifying with him.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: People looked at Jesus and said, What you do, you do the works of Beelzebub.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't really hear anybody calling Protestants demonic.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't really hear anybody saying that they're doing witchcraft or idolatry.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, I hear A.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Atheists say, you know, these are made-up fairy tales, but I don't really hear anybody saying about them that they're doing idolatry.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: But I know Jesus, the God we serve, he was accused of doing the works of the Elzeba.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: So people accuse you of that.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: You get to identify with the savior.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Of course we get accused of that.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and many Protestant backgrounds fear the rosary as vain repetition.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: So what can you say about that, Brother DK?
22:24
SPEAKER_02: So the much focus on Mary.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: So the first question we got to ask ourselves with the vain repetition is if he did use the word vain in vain, then he's contradicting himself.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: And that's a major problem.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: If he didn't use the word vain in vain, then that means he actually meant something, and that he included that word there on purpose.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: And so we can't read the scripture as Jesus talking about repetition, but Jesus talking about vain repetition.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, what is vain repetition?
22:50
SPEAKER_00: It's empty, it's devoid of meaning, it has no intent, it has no purpose.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: And I would say that if you're praying the rosary or any prayer, including Protestant prayers, including spontaneous prayer, if you're praying it with the purpose of getting it over with as quickly as possible, if you're offering it up as some kind of magical incantation that makes God give you what you want independently of his will for you, then yes, that really is a problem.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, St.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: James says, you know, when he's talking in his letter about prayer, he says, you have not because you ask not, and you ask and do not have because you ask amiss that you may gratify your own desires.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And so anytime we are asking without godly intent, without meaning, without sincerity, and without purpose, then we are asking in vain.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: So there is no power in just repeating something as if it's magic.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Prayer is about being in communion with God, the body of Christ.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: So Jesus didn't use the word to condemnation of empty, meaningless repetition, not of repetition itself.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: As far as it being centered around Mary, what's that mean?
24:00
SPEAKER_00: There's the meme that says, Tell me you don't know about X without telling me you don't know about X.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: I would say that would be a great tell for just not really knowing the rosary.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: The rosary is centered around Christ.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: So at every level.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: The first thing to know about the rosary, and St.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Louis de Montfer talks about this in Secrets of the Rosary, and I say this to my Catholic brothers and sisters, because you guys are the ones that I'm focused on here.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: So the bee, the individual prayers of the rosary, De Montfer calls that the body of the rosary.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: Now, what do we know about the body?
24:28
SPEAKER_00: There's the body, and then there's what?
24:30
SPEAKER_00: There is the spirit that breathes life into the body.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: There is the animating life principle of the body.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: We are more than our bodies.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Our bodies are important, they're essential, but we're not just bodies.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: And if you are only a body, that means you are a corpse and you're dead.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: But the mysteries of the rosary are the superior part.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: They are the richest part.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: They are the spirit of the rosary, right?
24:53
SPEAKER_00: And what are those mysteries?
24:55
SPEAKER_00: These are the mysteries of Christ.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: First, joyful mystery, the annunciation.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: The emphasis there is on the incarnation, right?
25:03
SPEAKER_00: And then the second is the visitation of Mary to Elizabeth, where Mary goes to Elizabeth, announces the good news, and the Holy Spirit causes John to leap in his mother's womb.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: This is all scriptural, by the way.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: The third joyful mystery, the nativity, Jesus was born in a manger, the emphasis on spiritual poverty, the fourth joyful mystery, the presentation of Jesus at the temple.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: The fifth joyful mystery, the finding of Jesus, right?
25:30
SPEAKER_00: You move on to the sorrowful mysteries.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: It's all about number one, the agony in the garden.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Who's that about?
25:36
SPEAKER_00: The scourging at the pillar, who's that about?
25:38
SPEAKER_00: The crowning with thorns, who's that about?
25:41
SPEAKER_00: The carrying of the cross, who's that about?
25:43
SPEAKER_00: The crucifixion, who's that about?
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Let's go on over to the glorious mysteries, right?
25:47
SPEAKER_00: The resurrection of Christ.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: So anyone who says, Where's Jesus in the rosary?
25:52
SPEAKER_00: Or the rosary isn't about Jesus.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: If you write down all of the mysteries, 10 out of 20 are explicitly about Jesus.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: And two out of those 20 are indirectly about Jesus because they're about what Jesus does for his mother Mary.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: So that's the first thing.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: And we're told by the saints that that is the most important part of the rosary.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: We're not just saying the prayers, we're not meditating on the mysteries.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: That's an important part of the rosary.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Let me say one more thing, though, about the Hail Mary, because even the Hail Mary is a Christ-centered prayer.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: Because Jesus is semantically and theologically the center of the Hail Mary.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: So if you divide the Hail Mary into two prayers, you can divide it by the name of Jesus, right?
26:34
SPEAKER_00: So semantically, it's at the center.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Now the second half of the prayer, Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: So Jesus is semantically at the center.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: He's semantically at the center in another way.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Every time you mention our lady by name or title in the prayer, there is a correspondence with our Lord being mentioned by name or title in the prayer.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: So on this hand, we'll count the references to our lady by name or title.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: On this hand, we'll count the references to our Lord by name or title.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: Holy Mary, Mother of God.
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SPEAKER_00: God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: So our lady and our Lord are mentioned an equal amount of times, but Jesus is semantically at the center.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Here is how he is theologically at the center.
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SPEAKER_00: All of the references to our lady justified by references to our Lord.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Why is she full of grace?
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Why is she worthy of honor?
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Because the Lord is with thee.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: Why is she blessed amongst women?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Because of anything special about her?
27:52
SPEAKER_00: No, nothing is special about Mary that can be separated from Christ.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Because blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: So everything about Mary points us back to Jesus.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: So it's really a Christ-centered prayer.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: And it's a prayer that causes us to meditate on what Jesus intends to do with all of those who obey him.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Here's why the devil hates Mary so much, man.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: Here's why the devil just can't be quiet.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: He can't help himself whenever Mary gets talked about.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: Devil can't help himself.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: And his people in there.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: In fact, if you go look at all of the other religions, you know, the non-Christian religions, all the Protestant denominations of Christianity, you can find thousands upon thousands of sermons and talks they give where the Catholics are nowhere to be found.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: We don't go into their comment sections like that.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Now when they pick on us, right, and they and they make videos about us Catholics coming there.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: But you can find a ton of sermons where just the Catholics aren't even interested in that stuff.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: You come over to our stuff, let us open up our mouths talking about Mary, they can't help themselves.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: They have to come into our spaces and say, stop it, stop it, right?
29:04
SPEAKER_00: It agitates something.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: Something gets agitated when we give honor to Mary.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: Here's one of the many reasons the devil hates Mary.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Imagine if, you know, I get on the basketball court and I have to play against LeBron James and I get embarrassed and everyone's there with their cell phones, you know, capturing it and they put it on YouTube.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: TK Coleman gets dunked on by LeBron James.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: I can at least turn and look at you guys and say, Well, can you beat him?
29:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, can you beat him?
29:31
SPEAKER_00: He's LeBron James, right?
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm embarrassed.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I hate it, but deep down I know that LeBron James is superior to me in basketball, right?
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Deep down I know that.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: But suppose I challenge LeBron James to a game and he looks me up and down and he says, nah, you're not really worth my time.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: You can play my 12-year-old sister.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: And maybe if you can beat my 12-year-old sister, maybe I'll play you.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Now that's a different thing, right?
29:57
SPEAKER_00: If his 12-year-old sister beats me in a game, I have nothing but shame.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: I have nothing but shame.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: This is why Genesis describes him as his head being crushed.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: And think about our lady's heel being bruised.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, if there were any part of my body, I would, if I had to accept the wound and I was very focused on staying pretty, and there was any part of my body where I could accept that wound, I'd say, how about my heel?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: How about you wound my heel?
30:23
SPEAKER_00: The part of me that nobody's gonna see, right?
30:25
SPEAKER_00: But I don't want you ruining my face, you know?
30:27
SPEAKER_00: That's the part of me that everybody's gonna see, and they're gonna know that I got beat up if my eyes are black, if my but the serpent gets his head crushed.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: That means in the end, he's left with no dignity.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: And he knows that.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: He knows his destiny is to get his head crushed.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: He knows that he's not just gonna be defeated, but he's going to look like he's defeated.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna be by LeBron James's 12-year-old sister.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get dunked on by LeBron James's 12-year-old sister.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: That is incredibly embarrassing.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: That is incredibly anger fying.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like, it's like if you it's it's like a mean girls type scenario.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, imagine like a high school, and imagine, you know, all the kids are in the hall talking, and and there's like a really popular, pretty girl, and everybody's like circling around her and they're laughing at her jokes and thinking that she's so cool.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: And then some new girl walks in and she's like the transfer from a different school.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: And all the other kids turn and look at this girl and they go, wow, she's so cool.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: She's got the coolest shoes, she's got the coolest purse, wow, she's so amazing.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: What's the girl who's been displaced gonna feel like?
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, she's not that cute, she's not that special.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you guys talk about her like she's a goddess.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: You guys talk about her like she's so special.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: No, we don't.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: No, we don't.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: You're just jealous.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: You're just jealous because you feel like her presence is displacing you and you're threatened by that.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: That's how the devil feels about Mary, and that's why he can't be quiet whenever we talk about her.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Wow, thank you for giving us mini catechism about about Rosary and the role of our blessed mother.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: Wow, it it all makes sense.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh, thank you.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's very unique and uh so simple to understand.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh sometimes we, those are Protestant brothers and sisters, they make things complicated.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but by the way, too, and I I'll be shorter with this, you know, when it comes to when it when it comes to um to Jesus being at the center, you know, every Catholic prayer, people recognize this, but they don't really understand what it means.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Every Catholic prayer, we say, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: That's not just a symbolic gesture.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: The book of Proverbs says the name of the Lord is a strong tower.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: Those who run into it are safe.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: The invocation of the name of God is not just a symbolic gesture, but it is a spiritual act of consciously and intentionally entering into the very presence of the one whom we worship.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: And so when we say in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we are entering into the presence of the living God and we are directing all of our offerings up to Him.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: We are identifying the Holy Trinity as the end and aim of everything we do.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: So all Catholic prayer goes to God and it goes to God together with and through the saints.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: So when we pray to Mary, when we pray to the saints, we are praying to God together with Mary and together with Mary and the saints.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Scripture says that those who come to God must first believe who he is.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: And we begin with that.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: I believe in God the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the born of the Virgin Mary, right?
33:35
SPEAKER_00: We start there with that recitation of the creed, and then we begin the Our Father, and we do that with every decade.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: We begin that with the Our Father.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's that order of priority, and we contextualize each of those Hail Marys, which is Christ-centered in the first place, with those mysteries of Christ.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: And so it's so important that we think about that.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's uh it's also easy for people to make the mistake of that they only make with Mary, by the way.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: They don't do this with everyday life.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: And it's the mistake of assuming that devotion is primarily measured by quantity rather than quality.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: So I give you an example.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: Let's just take a very conservatively described day.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Let's say the husband gets up at eight o'clock.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: All right, he's gonna work a nine to five.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: All right, from nine to five, he's gone.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Who's the wife with?
34:26
SPEAKER_00: She's with the kids.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: If it's a baby, you know, she's already been with the kids all night, right?
34:31
SPEAKER_00: The husband comes home and he shares his time with the wife with the children until the children go to bed.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Husband's gonna say, I spend more time at work in terms of hours than I do with my kids.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: And my wife spends more time with the kids than she does with me.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: In fact, we can just say, let's take the average Protestant's work schedule.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: They spend more time at work than they do reading scriptures and going to church services.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Let's say you wake up at 6 a.m.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: and you give the first 30 minutes of your day to God in prayer, then you give an additional 30 minutes of your day to reading scripture.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: In fact, let's give them an hour.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: You spend an hour in prayer, and then you spend an hour in scripture, and then you go to work for eight hours.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: One hour in prayer, one hour of scripture.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: Probably didn't go to church if it's not a Sunday, eight hours at your job.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: If we're measuring devotion and quantity in terms of time spent, then that means you love your job more than God, you love your children more than you love your husband, you love your job more than you love your wife.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: But the reality is we all know that it isn't true.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: How do we know that?
35:38
SPEAKER_00: Because we know that the measure of our devotion is also determined by a qualitative element.
35:43
SPEAKER_00: Is there some way in which I'm bound to you that I'm not bound to others?
35:48
SPEAKER_00: The wife can look at her husband and say, I give myself to you in a way that is exclusively reserved to you.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: And that that the manner in which I give myself to you is so high, it is so elevated that a small amount of time in that direction overshadows any commitments that I have to anyone else.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: So putting God first is a matter of priority.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: It's a matter of quality.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: And so, even when it comes to things like the rosary, it's not about how many hell Marys there are.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: It's about the order of things, it's about the intention of things, it's about the reason behind it, it's about where Mary leads us and why we're even focused on her in the first place.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: All right, I just went on a long time, man.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: I better be quiet.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: Very inspiring, brother TK.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: And speaking of pro uh Protestant, because your conversion came from a Pentecostal background.
36:44
SPEAKER_02: So what what price did you pay?
36:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, none that I noticed or that I'm focused on.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: So back in the day, I was so much younger, man.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: I was easily shaken by that.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm just such a different guy now.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: I I may have paid a price, but I I don't even pay attention.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't even know how I would find that out, you know, because I'm just dialed in, man.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, are are you rolling with me?
37:07
SPEAKER_00: You want to pray the rosary together?
37:09
SPEAKER_00: You want to go to Mass together?
37:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm just dialed in.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm sure there may be some people from my past who see me on these different Protestant podcasts, who hear me say my testimony, and they may think to themselves, this brother's gone off the deep end, or what's going on with this guy?
37:28
SPEAKER_00: But there is not a single person from my past who has reached out to me saying, Hey, I'm worried about you, or hey, can we talk?
37:35
SPEAKER_00: I haven't had a single Protestant person that I know say anything to me about my conversion other than some immediate family who just made it clear to me that whether they agree with me or not uh on the particulars, that they have my back and we're family and they love me and they they know that I love Jesus.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: And so I haven't paid any price that I'm aware of or any price that I've paid attention to.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: And if there is a price, I'm not really calculating it, man, because I have the pearl of great price, you know what I'm saying?
38:06
SPEAKER_02: And uh TK, minimalism teaches that less is more.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: But Catholicism is rich with sacrament and devotion.
38:14
SPEAKER_02: So how do you reconcile that simplicity with the fullness of Catholic life?
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, super, super easy, but just really quickly, for anybody that's that's a conversion, a convert from Protestantism, Catholicism, and you've and you are paying a heavy social price, a couple of things I would say to you is that you don't have to be disrespectful in order to disagree.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: As the old saying goes, you don't have to attend every argument that you've been invited to.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to respond defensively to the things that people say about you.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: And so if anybody's getting in your face telling you that you're wrong, that you're crazy, that you're deceived by the devil, you can just remain calm and ask them to pray for you.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Because if they really feel that way and they really believe in Jesus, then they are morally obligated to pray for you.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: They're morally obligated to do that if they obey the Bible.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: Because what does St.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: James say?
39:05
SPEAKER_00: He says, pray for one another and confess your sins to one another that you might be healed.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: So a Protestant can't tell you, no, I'm not praying for you without disrespecting the Bible.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: So take advantage of the things they say by just remaining humble, accepting it as an opportunity for your sanctification, and saying, Hey man, pray for me.
39:25
SPEAKER_00: If you have answers to their questions, answer them gently and firmly, answer them straightforward without being defensive, but get yourself involved in the Catholic community so that you have people that you can go to that are building you up and celebrating the faith with you, and you're not always spending time just in attack mode or in defense mode.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh, okay, so reconciling minimalism with the sacramental theology.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: One of the big misunderstandings about minimalism is that it is an anti-thing philosophy.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: It's not an anti-thing philosophy.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: Minimalism is not Gnosticism.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Minimalism does not teach that matter is evil or that things are bad.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: Minimalism teaches that mindless consumption is the root of so much evil.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: When scripture says money is the root of all evil, we have to think about that a little bit.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: But that that often gets quoted as money is the root of all evil.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: But on the surface, it seems to be the case that there are a lot of evils that have nothing to do with the love of money.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, if two guys get into an argument over betrayal and one guy harms the other, uh, what does money have to do with that?
40:32
SPEAKER_00: If two people are married and one of them commits adultery, what does the love of money have to do with that?
40:37
SPEAKER_00: But when the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil, it's talking about the prioritization of that which is seen over that which is unseen.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: The elevation of material goods, the elevation of tangible things over spiritual things.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Every single time a sin is committed, it is because someone is prioritizing that which is seen over that which is unseen.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: They're elevating the temporal and matters of temporal concern over matters of eternal concern.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: And so minimalism is a way of saying, look, as human beings, we're consumers by nature.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: We need to take up oxygen.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: That's consumption right there.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: We need to eat food.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: We need to consume in order to survive.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: But we've got two ways that we can consume.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: We can consume, we can allow ourselves to passively receive the world's messages about what we need to own and possess in order to be someone, or we can consume intentionally and say, I don't need anything to be complete.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: I am a steward over what God has given me.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: What is the best way to use things to enhance other people's qualities of life and to win souls for Christ?
41:49
SPEAKER_00: So the beauty of sacramental theology is it takes things a step further and it lets us know that things ultimately find their meaning in Christ.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: You know, that Christ didn't come to condemn the world, he came to redeem the world so that ultimately it will glorify God.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's how I think about minimalism and things.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: Things are beautiful, things are good, it only becomes ugly when we become possessed by them.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: So, how do you see the sacrament of confession working with uh emotional declattery?
42:20
SPEAKER_00: I think about the words of Father Carlos Martin in an episode of The Exorcist Files where he says one confession is worth a thousand exorcisms.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: St.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: Louis de Montfort also says, in uh, I believe it's the Secret of Mary, he says that the devil doesn't celebrate when he gets you to sin because he knows that a single confession can undermine all of his work.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: So it's not enough for the devil that he can successfully tempt you to sin.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: He must also tempt you to despair.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't win until he convinces you that your sin is so big, so dirty, and so unforgivable that you better not show up to confession because no one wants to hear that.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: Or he'll try to convince you, well, didn't you just go to confession last week and you already need to go back?
43:07
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you should wait a while, or maybe you should wait and prove to God that you're really serious.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: And then if you if you've earned it by not sinning for a couple of weeks, you can go to confession.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: The devil does these sorts of things because he knows that confession is the conferring of supernatural sacramental graces that not only remove the stain of sin from the soul, but they actually give us the victory, the spiritual power to overcome it.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: So I would say that going to confession is your number one weapon against emotional color.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: Speaking of that, I want to change gear uh right now.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because you mentioned uh uh a while ago that you involve in New Age.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: How does it happen, uh, Brother TK?
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, so there are a lot of attractive, beautiful, powerful ideas to be found in many of the world's philosophies.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: The problem, however, is that anytime you omit Christ, that usually involves the smuggling in of something else that can corrode the soul or lead to imbalance in your worldview.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: And so I'll never deny that I've received a lot of help and a lot of nourishment from self-help philosophy and from various things that have been said by people who are non-Christian or anti-Christian.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: The way I think about this is that all truth is God's truth, right?
44:30
SPEAKER_00: And if an atheist says two plus two equals four, it doesn't magically become false because an atheist said it.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: Or sometimes God may use a person that doesn't even go to church to help us, to help call attention to certain areas of life where we need work.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: If you have a problem with punctuality and you don't show up to show up at on time and you have a problem with taking work seriously, God may use someone that's not Christian to call you out on that or to talk to you about the importance of taking yourself seriously and being professional in the things that you do.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: You may be poor at communication and you might meet some new age person who wants nothing to do with Jesus, but they might teach you a few important things about how to solve problems with the people that you love.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: And all truth is God's truth.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: And as Holy Mother Church teaches in its magisterial documents, we are not only free but bound to honor whatever is true and good in any faith, but it's the fullness of faith that's found in the Christian church.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: For me, since becoming Catholic, I don't read any New Age spirituality.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: And it's not because I read something that told me that I'm not allowed to, but my respect for the Catholic tradition is so deep.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: There's so much Catholic mysticism, there's so much Catholic spirituality that I don't think we need to go outside of the faith.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, we we just had our monthly Carmelite meeting.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: My wife and I are discerning uh as um lay Carmelites, and and there was someone asking questions about all of these like extra things beyond our rule of life.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: And the priest responded by saying, Well, how are you doing at following our rule of life?
46:06
SPEAKER_00: And and this person was like, Oh, well, you know, I've got I'm kind of falling short on this, haven't been doing the readings.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: And he was like, Well, you know, maybe do what is required first before looking for something that's extra.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: I've always believed that you you have to first go the essential mile in order to go the extra mile.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: And and for me, until I've read everything that Teresa Avala has written, everything that St.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: John of the Cross has written, and those are only two mystics that I might not be able to fully read by the end of my life.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna stay right here in the church where their fullness is, man.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: I I need the sacramental perspective.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: I think we have, I think we have more than enough.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: And anyone who thinks they need to go east, I think it's because they haven't really availed themselves of what's there in the church.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, so there are so many success coaches uh right now.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: So how how can we know that these people are teaching new age?
46:59
SPEAKER_02: Because it's look harmless.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they teach how to be good, how to, I mean, practical things.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: So what can you say about that, uh, TK?
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one of the analogies I I've heard is that when people who learn how to detect counterfeit money are trained, they're not trained by learning how to figure out all the different ways that money could be counterfeit.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: They're trained by studying the real dollar and identifying all the markers that are essential to the real dollar.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: And once you know the real dollar in its fullness at a level of detail, then anytime you see something that is inconsistent with that, you recognize it, even if you're seeing it for the first time.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: I would say our greatest bulwark against deception, against modernism, against worldly philosophy is to steep yourself in the depths of holy tradition.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: In the book of Psalms, David said, Thine word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: His bulwark against being misled by the world was the word being hid in his heart.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: In Psalm 1, he says, Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: He's talking about the wisdom of the world.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: And he contrasts that with, but he meditates in his law day and night.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: I would say, read the doctors of the church, read the writings of the saints, stick to holy scripture.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: And as you are growing in your knowledge of holy tradition, you know, you'll hear people say things and you'll be able to say, well, that's universally true.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: All truth is God's truth.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't have to be afraid because this Hindu said that three plus three equals six.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: As Dallas Willard said, breakfast is a good idea, and I don't intend to abandon it just because Hindus practice it.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: You can embrace all the good ideas there are to be embraced, but when you know your faith, you can sniff from a mile away something that isn't in line with the way of Christ.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: And in today's world, uh noisy world of social media and distractions.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: So, how can ordinary Catholics uh use minimalism to declutter their hearts and minds, making more room for prayer, uh, TK?
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so for Lent, I have taken a break from social media.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: I previously took a break for a year, and we we discussed that in our TAD talk.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh so a couple of ID, and I'm also getting ready to get rid of my smartphone.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: I've pre-ordered the Lightphone 2, which has no downloadable apps, it has no camera, uh, it's only it only has the ability to send and receive texts, to make and receive phone calls.
49:27
SPEAKER_00: It's got GPS and an alarm, and then like a music, like MP3 app.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: But other than that, you can't download anything else.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: And so that's a picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary with it with uh an oratory in her womb.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: And that's inspired by Lewis DeMontfort saying that she is the living oratory inside of which our offerings are made up to God.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: But I would say, for me, I'm getting rid of the smartphone, and I'm not saying that anyone has to do that, but I would say master your relationship with these highly entertaining devices because they're creating a culture of distraction where we no longer have an attention span that can focus on anything without reaching for that itch.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: So doing little things like deleting social media from your phone and forcing yourself to only use it when you're at a computer.
50:15
SPEAKER_00: That way you have to be deliberate.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: That way you have to be intentional.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: It makes it very difficult to scroll when you've got to get up, open up your computer.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: It's still possible, but it but it makes it so much easier than when you have access to it on your cell phone.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: Another thing is I would say make a commitment to having at least 15 minutes every day where your cell phone is in another room, you cannot look at it for any reason, and you spend that time either before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, or you spend that time praying the rosary or reading scripture or reading on the life of a saint or doing mental prayer, something spiritual, but take some time every day that schedule where you can't look at these things.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: And I I think the smartphone is a big thing.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: Taking walks is another important thing.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: If you're able to do so physically, uh and you live in a space where you have access to the weather to do that, I think taking a daily walk and putting your phone on airplane mode or just leaving it at home uh would be a powerful exercise.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: Simple, but very powerful if they do they will do that.
51:15
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they will really have more time uh contemplating with the Lord.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: I forgot who it was, but there's a philosopher.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: It might have been Camus, I forgot.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: But he but he said something to the effect that that uh maybe it was Sartre.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but he said something to the effect that that all of man's problems are uh can be boiled down to his inability to sit alone with himself.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh and so just making it a practice where you say, hey, for at least 10 minutes a day, a day, I'm just gonna sit alone with no external sources of stimulation.
51:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh I just want to clarify because you you mentioned that you will uh switch your smartphone to a more simple, but you you will still use computers.
51:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh do this uh online ministry uh TK.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: So far, I've spent the past year trying to figure out how I can get rid of the smartphone because it's been so necessary for my work.
52:09
SPEAKER_00: And I've been praying about it, doing a lot of thinking about it, researching other phones, and I have finally found a way to get rid of my smartphone.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: And like I mentioned, I pre-ordered a phone that's gonna be available in May, and it's a non-smartphone.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: The day that I get it, this one's gone.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: And and I and I can't wait for it.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: I wish it would come out now so I can chuck this thing now.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: But um, in the meantime, you know, I I've taken a lot of the apps and I've made this phone as boring as I can make it.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: You you can have me back and we could talk again what life is like after the smartphone, maybe later on in the year.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: But I'm making a smartphone.
52:45
SPEAKER_02: I would like to know that, uh, maybe.
52:47
SPEAKER_02: And you you can share with us what will be an effect and influence us to do that.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: I I I'm figuring out some changes to make with my computer.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: I have a bunch of ideas, but I'm still working it out.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: But if I can find a way to get rid of my computer, I'm gonna do that too.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: But I'm still trying to work that out.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: In the age of AI, we are in this algorithm AI.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: That's inspiring.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: And uh TK critics worry that focusing on less can lead to detachment from people or spiritual dryness.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: So, how can you answer that?
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh my co-host often says that the defining question of minimalism is this reason that we focus on less is because by simplifying our lives of all the things society tells us we need, we can then focus on the things that really matter.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: And all the things that really matter are things that are not products, things that you can't buy, right?
53:41
SPEAKER_00: And and what are the things that really matter?
53:43
SPEAKER_00: Relationships, time with friends, time with family, things like learning and personal growth, things like love, things like physical health, things like volunteer work, things like serving your parish, things like going to mass, going to the rosary group, going to the divine mercy group, things like cultivating a rich interior life through reading, through prayer, through meditation, things like going for a walk, going for a hike, riding your bike, getting sunlight, getting fresh air, these things are not products.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: And the reason that we're so alienated from these activities in the modern world, we all say we want to do these things.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: All of us say things like, I want to spend more time with my family and friends.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: I want to spend more time reading good books and discovering interesting music.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: I want to learn an instrument, I want to learn a language, I want to go hiking more, walking more, I want to get in shape, I want to write more.
54:36
SPEAKER_00: I want to do more creative things.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: We all say that, but our lives are so crowded with noise and with commitments that we've lost the art of simplicity.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: And so it's not about saying less of everything, it's saying less of the things that don't matter and more of the things that can't be measured.
54:55
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for that clarification.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: And what role does the Holy Eucharist play in your daily life decay?
55:01
SPEAKER_00: So sometimes because of work, I have some days, like one or two, where I'm not able to go to mass, but I make it a point to go to the church every day.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: So I go to daily mass, usually like three to four days a week throughout the week, and then on Saturdays and Sundays.
55:17
SPEAKER_00: And then I make it a point on the days where I can't go to daily mass to at least step inside a church for at least five minutes to say hi to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.
55:27
SPEAKER_00: The challenge I would issue out to anyone listening.
55:30
SPEAKER_00: Imagine, okay, you're in the Philippines, right?
55:35
SPEAKER_00: Manny Pacquiao.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: He's getting ready to fight Floyd Mayweather again, isn't he?
55:41
SPEAKER_00: He's competing this time.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: I hope he beats him this time.
55:44
SPEAKER_00: Somebody told me that yesterday, and I said, Oh man, that's so dangerous for Floyd.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: So Manny Pacquiao.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: Imagine if a friend of yours said, Hey, Manny Pacquiao is staying at my house for the month.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: And your friend lives like 20 miles away.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: And he says he's gonna literally be there all day, every day.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: And so if you want to come by and you want to ask him me questions about like life or success, or you just want to hang out with Manny Pacquiao, he's gonna be there, man.
56:13
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's gonna make it a point to get there to go see Manny Pacquiao, maybe for a selfie, maybe to ask him for advice about his life or something like that.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: Well, the reason we would do that is because we believe in the power that a guy like that has to change our lives.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: We believe in his greatness.
56:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, how much more can we say that about Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament?
56:38
SPEAKER_00: I would contend that if you go before Jesus every single day, even if only for two minutes, to walk in and say, Jesus, I have to go home.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: But I just wanted to stop by to let you know that I love you very much and I'm thank you for the breath that flows through my body.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: I love you, Jesus.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Please give me more opportunities to come see you, Jesus.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: I would like to spend more time with you, Jesus.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: I would like to where I can spend more than two minutes.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: But if this is all I get, Jesus, I just want you to know that I love you so much.
57:08
SPEAKER_00: And and and then go do what you do.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: You do that every single day.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: It's not possible for you to remain the same.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh, short, but uh powerful.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean, short basic, but it will it will change your day or change your life.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, how you will do it consistently.
57:26
SPEAKER_02: So that's thank you.
57:28
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing that.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh TK.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: And the devil's gonna say, but that's not a lot of time.
57:33
SPEAKER_00: Don't insult him with two minutes.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: You're a that's ridiculous.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: Don't insult Jesus with those two minutes.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: And he's gonna say that to you because he's scared.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: So, so whenever you hear that thought that says two minutes is not a lot, just remind yourself, two minutes is a long way from zero minutes.
57:53
SPEAKER_00: And we know what zero minutes does, it will destroy you, it will starve you, it will make you a sitting duck for the God of this world.
58:02
SPEAKER_00: But two minutes, that's a long way from zero, and it's gonna give you a lot more than that.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: If you could speak one powerful sentence to your old, never Catholic self, uh, what what would it be?
58:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh, to my to my old not Catholic self, what would I say to him?
58:17
SPEAKER_00: If I could say something to him now, I would say, you have no idea, brother.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: I would just look at him and say, You have no idea, brother, and I would laugh and let him figure out.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: You you've been punched by it by the Lord in that encounter.
58:29
SPEAKER_02: You encounter God during that time.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean in the tabernacle.
58:33
SPEAKER_02: NTK, why you love being Catholic?
58:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, the way the way I describe it is just like, imagine um, you mentioned Manny Pacquiao, right?
58:42
SPEAKER_00: So imagine growing up, and and every day your family turns on the TV and you see Manny Pacquiao just like punching really fast, and and you see that he's got this masterful physique, he's got skill, he's got timing, precision, and you grew up admiring uh an athlete like that, right?
58:57
SPEAKER_00: And and and sometimes your parents will, you know, they'll get you a poster, and you got a poster of Manny Pacquiao in the room.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: And and sometimes you you'll look at the magazines of all the different boxers and and you have the the the you know the cards and things like that.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: And then one day your buddy says, Hey, come with me, I'm gonna take you someplace.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: And he takes you into this building and you walk in and you see a track, you see like a punching bag, you see weights, and you say, What's this?
59:25
SPEAKER_00: And he says, This is a gym.
59:27
SPEAKER_00: And you say, A gym?
59:28
SPEAKER_00: What's this place for?
59:29
SPEAKER_00: He says, Well, you know all the athletes that you grew up watching on TV, people like Manny Pacquiao.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: This is the place where those people became champions.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: And you say, Well, what did they do here?
59:40
SPEAKER_00: And you say, Well, there are all of these tools that you can use to become a champion.
59:45
SPEAKER_00: And so you don't just have to sit back and admire Manny Pacquiao.
59:49
SPEAKER_00: You can be like him.
59:51
SPEAKER_00: You can follow his path, you can imitate him.
59:53
SPEAKER_00: There's a swimming pool, there's a uh a boxing ring with gloves.
59:58
SPEAKER_00: There are weights, and you may not be very strong right now, you may not be very fast right now, but if you use the tools that he used, you too will become strong and have athletic prowess, and you can be a champion.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: The Catholic Church is like the gymnasium for sainthood.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_00: I grew up reading the Bible, hearing about all of these saints doing these wonderful things, but I didn't know about the sacraments.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: And it's like someone taking me to a building, and I say, What is this place?
1:00:25
SPEAKER_00: And they say, This is the gymnasium for sainthood.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: Here we have the sacrament of reconciliation, here we have the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: And we also have a rich liturgical and devotion that's been practiced by all the saints before you.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: And if you dedicate yourself to these sacred rituals, your life will be transformed.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: That's why I love being Catholic, man.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_00: We've got the rosary, we've got the writings of the fathers, the writings of the saints and the doctors.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: We've got so many amazing litanies, so many amazing traditions, like even things like the stations of the cross that we do on Friday nights at most parishes.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: It's a spiritual workout.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: If you do that and you're attentive to what's being said and you say those prayers with your heart, you will be sanctified gradually over and over and made to be more like Christ.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I love the Catholic Church because this is the church which has the means of our sanctification.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's amazing and powerful.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: And maybe last uh last uh question, TK.
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SPEAKER_02: And what is your personal message to our viewers right now?
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh to keep fighting to stay faithful uh in these challenging times.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there is nothing that you can do in your own power to keep fighting or staying faithful during these times.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: You are incredibly weak.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: It is incredibly easy for Satan to deceive you, manipulate you.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: You're like a sitting duck.
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SPEAKER_00: You are no match for the weakest demon in hell.
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SPEAKER_00: The only hope that you have is to hide behind our lady.
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SPEAKER_00: It is the only hope that you have.
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SPEAKER_00: We are no match for him.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you dedicate yourself to this holy rosary, she promises to protect you.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: Don't fight this on your own.
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SPEAKER_00: Seek God for grace and let our lady obtain that grace for you.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_02: That's uh powerful.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_02: And where can uh everyone follow your talks, podcasts, um, your writings, or your book?
1:02:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh TK.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can just check us out on YouTube uh at the minimalist podcast, or you can just go to our website, theminimalist.com.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm working on a project of starting up something soon as well.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_00: So stay tuned.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll talk about that next time when I come back near the end of the year.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about life without a smartphone.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll definitely, definitely email you and follow up on that, uh, TK.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: Let's do it, man.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
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unknown: Yeah.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I saw you have a book, all right, Emotional Declatter, uh, TK.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_02: So it's also there.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, but talk on the Middle With website.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: You you can download the ebook for free.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_00: The audiobook consists of me reading it and Joshua and I taking a break at each chapter and sort of discussing some of the principles and themes in the book.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: You can get, but you can get both of those things.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_00: Ebook is for free, and you can get both of those things at the website.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but are you planning?
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious, because are you planning to write a book about rosary soon?
1:03:17
SPEAKER_00: Something soon.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_00: I I owe a lot to Mary.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_00: I've got to do, I've got a lot of rosary uh work left to do.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_00: So pray for me.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh your testimony is on brother Gabriel Castillo book, uh DK.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so his book, The Power of the Rosary, I I write the foreword to that.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: And then my wife has one of the testimonies that's in the book as well, where she tells her side of the story.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_02: I remember your the uh foreword.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_02: Because I I had a the copy of it.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I remember, I remember you're on the front.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yep.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_00: So I'm in there.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_00: And my my wife is in there too, so you get to see it from her side as well.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_02: Closing prayer uh to our audience.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_02: Or do you have any last final word to us?
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: For anyone who finds it intimidating or or difficult to make time for the rosary, the lady will honor whatever efforts you make to draw nearer to Christ through her.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: And so if you have a difficult amount of a difficult time finding time, just give her the little bit of time you have, and she will find a way to give you more in ways that you cannot do.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_00: And so if you don't have time to pray a full rosary, pray five decades a day.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_00: If you don't have time to pray five decades a day, pray one decade a day.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_00: It takes, I I I've timed this several times.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_00: I prayed the rosary really, really slow.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: It takes at a pretty regular pace about three minutes to pray a decade.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're going super slow, five minutes.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna pray one Hail Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: And it and it and I'm gonna pray this Hail Mary at a pace.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_00: And if you pray at this pace, you'll get through a decade in three minutes.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: You'll be through a decade at that pace in three minutes.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not a lot of time.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: Chances are you spend way more time than that scrolling.
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SPEAKER_00: So if every single day you just say, Mary, I'm gonna give you a decade because I believe that you can do more with my life in a decade than I can do of my own efforts in ten years.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_00: Your life will change because she never fails at leading you to Jesus.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_00: People who pray the rosary, they do three things, pretty mama will see to it.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's my final word, and we'll we'll say a little prayer here in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_00: Holy Mother of God, powerful intercessor that you are.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: We thank you, mommy, for loving us and leading us ever so faithfully to Jesus.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_00: We thank you for the model that you set for us in your worship of Jesus, in your devotion to Jesus.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_00: Help us to worship Jesus as you do.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_00: Help us to devote ourselves to him as you do.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_00: Help us to obey him as you do.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_00: Help us to give him an unqualified yes when it comes to all of the things that he requests of us.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_00: Help us to trust in his goodness, Holy Mother.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_00: Obtain those graces for us that we may please him and be dedicated to him in all that we do.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_00: We offer up this prayer to God, together with and through your intercession.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_00: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_00: In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_02: Wow, what a powerful prayer.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_02: And thank you so much, DK, for sharing uh all your wisdom and very enriching.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I'm fired up and smartered by all your sharing and your story, and rest assured of our prayers to you and to your family.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_02: And please also pray for me.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it, man.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh pray for me.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_00: I need it, man.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_00: I need it, and I'll be praying for you.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_01: You join your ministry.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, and hope to see you someday.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: Let's make it happen, brother.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_01: Much love to you.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
1:07:43
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