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Are housewives secret terrorists? We need to talk about this! | Rantzerker 214 · Honey Badger Radio

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One coming to you live from deep within and actually quite sunny and bomby and
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flowery radioactive wasteland. We are the survivors of the alt right keck Apocalypse,
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the few, the brave, the bitchy, once more waiting into battle against
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the froggy lobster homemaker hoards with our housewives, secret terrorists. We need to
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talk about this rant Zirker number two one four. I am your host,
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Alison, and with me is the dominable Brian and Karen, not not the
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Karen of of the meme, but the original Karen the Ogg. Yeah,
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yeah, no, I I also know that the horrible thing, the horrible
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thing. I have a roast in the oven. Oh oh have you heard
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it here, folks, She's she's plotting something. She's I popped a roast
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in the oven just before I broke out this horrible chromebook. Why did they
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change? Like, why don't why don't they all just have the same keyboard
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layout? Mm hm, Like why would that? Why would the right pinky
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finger enter button be like tiny on this thing? Why why would that?
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Like? I just don't understand, because I don't understand shape themselves, and
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they want to make it so that it's difficult to change platforms, I guess,
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but if you were hoping that we'd start earlier, it was in fact
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technical difficulties that got us. Karen attempted to launch launch the video Ninja program
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and everything quit. So it's all Karen's fault. Yeah, no, it's
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no, it's all your fault because he didn't tell me we were going to
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be on camera from I thought it was going to be on audio and audio
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audio works on my It's my fault. I try. I tried. I
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tried to blame there for a moment, but it was not successful anyway.
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So what we're doing today is we are going to cover a report from the
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International Center for counter Terrorism. I don't know how we could be terrorists.
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I can't even get computer to work. We aren't even I don't even think
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we're mentioned this time. Oh this time, no, no, this time.
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I believe it was just a voice for men that was mentioned, but
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also ad wife influencers, which yes, yes, Like I'm like, okay,
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so women who bake for their family and homeschool are now terrorists according to
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the ic CT. And just tell the story of how I this came about,
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Like I got this a feminist tweeted it at me with this insinuation that
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if she looked in my background, she'd find all kinds of charges, presumably
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of like some kind of violent charges related to terrorism, which okay, no,
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but but anyway, So but what astounded me is when I looked into
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it, So I was because I was curious about what she was talking about.
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When I looked into it, I'm like, there's a section I'm basically
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housewives. That's it. Their housewives, And I mean they are housewives within
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it, like a conservative context that recognizes that masculinity and femininity or complimentary,
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but mostly they're just housewives. And the way that they're talking about these housewives
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is just insane, insane, chef's kiss insane, Like just just just insane.
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So I said, we gotta do this. And it's not because like
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they're they're targeting us necessarily, but because you you're you're you're basically saying,
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June Cleaver is a terrorist, an anti American terrorist. Well, who knows
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what she does with those pearls exactly? Well, there you go, there
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you go, and those with them all the time. Yeah, they're they're
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secretly like piano wire holding together pearls. Yeah, yeah, but anyway,
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so it's like it's just it's just absurd. So I thought we could we
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could delve into the absurdity that is now US counter terrorism because god knows,
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you know, there aren't enough uh gang members, you know, or like
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gang members from miss your team, yeah or that or that or that.
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The guy the guy who was like the head of hesbela Azerbaijean who who was
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uh, there was a citizen reporter at the border at southern border saying,
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you know, where are you from? Where are you from? And the
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guy says the guy says, hey, you know, what's your name?
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Where are you from? And he says, I'm not telling you. If
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you don't know, you'll know soon enough. Turns out he's like the head
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of hesbela Azerbaijean. Right, so well, well, god forbid. You
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know, like a woman baker cake that we got on shut that ship down.
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It's probably a bomb in it, probably not, it's just a cake.
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And it's supporting gender roles, which is the which is the real form
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of terrorism. Let's let's be frank. Anything is that supports women in the
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home and men working is true terrorism. And I remember while back when feminist
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said, yeah, we're not after we're not forcing women to make a choice.
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We support whatever choices women make. If they want to go to work,
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if they want to work or have part you know, stay home part
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time, work part time, if they want to stay home and take care
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of their families, we support all of it, all of it. We're
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open to whatever way a woman wants to structure her life. That's feminism is
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about choice. And now here we are like forty years later, and feminists
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are in a counter terrorism organization making it insinuating that choosing to stay at home
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and make sandwiches is terrorism. Yeah. No, I mean, like we
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saw of this when god, what was it Sarkisian was she was sitting on
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that panel. She was saying that, you know, women who stay at
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home and look after their families and words and makes good money, right,
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they're just making patriarchy work for them, and so like they need to be
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you know, unbrainwashed or deprogrammed or something like that, right, And it's
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just like they're harming other women by doing that. And it's like okay,
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well you know, I don't know. You can look around my house.
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It doesn't look like there's anybody particularly looking after it. But I do stay
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home and I do cook for my husband and now for my idiot son who
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and moved out too soon and at the exact wrong time. He moved out
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right at the start of inflation. And yeah, no, so he's moved
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back in. He's weed whacking right now, which is you know, at
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least he's useful. Yeah, yeah, well, okay, so this is
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this is where we're at. We are now. Feminists said that women can
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have a choice. But now if you choose wrong, you're a terrorist.
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You're gonna have the full horse, the state apparatus, making you your life
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miserable if you choose other than what feminists decide. But get this, they're
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the pro woman, anti authoritarian option. Oh man, And that that whole
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it hurts other women, that that particular rhetoric is the kind of rhetoric that
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justifies violent, like genuine violence against women. Yes, yes, and you
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know it can justify any kind of violence. Oh, they hurt their own
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women, so we'll just kill everybody with drawn strikes. Yep. That kind
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of rhetoric is extremely dangerous rhetoric, as we can see, because now now
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feminists are basically like I said, putting the full force of of our of
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our our so called patriarchy against women who uphold the patriarchy. That one,
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get that one, get that, get that our boros bullshit into your head,
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all the things, all right, return you go deal with your dog.
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your messages, your your wisdoms. All right, So why don't we start
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with the I see CTS about page? So everybody knows who these people are?
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All right? Yeah, you want me to read it? Read from
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it? Sure, since your voice is tip top now chocolatey and back.
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That's right, yep, So about I see ct M. The International Center
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for counter Terrorism is a think and do tank based on Oh no, oh
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no, they also do I see the little guy back? Oh he just
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disappeared, I said, Hi. Think and do tank. Based in the
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Hague, Netherlands. We provide research, policy advice, training, and other
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solutions to support better counter terrorism policies and practices worldwide. We also can tribute
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to the scientific and public debates in the fields of counter terrorism encountering violent extremism,
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notably through our publications and events. We worked with various governments, international
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organizations, and international agencies. Our activities are global, with the focus over
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the past few years on Europe, the Middle East and Africa. M I
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guess we like the United States already has like the Department of Homeland Security and
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the FBI and the CIA, so you know, we we don't want to
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overburn. I think ICE is involved too. I think they're they're literally pursuing,
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if I remember correctly, housewives, Catholics, and gamers, and that's
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I think that those are the top also in cells like virgins, you know,
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those the primary targets. Yeah, and also people who boards. They
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could definitely, you know, because considering the you know, the CIA does
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have a track record of using honeypots, so they could just they could really
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solve the in cell issue just get overnight. You know, they could actually
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be productive. The CIA could do something of worth for once. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think most of the the the the honeypots are actually men though,
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so I think the in cells can figure that out. They be in
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disguise like poorly you know, hairy legs, five o'clock Shadow. You know,
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tell me more about that video game you like so much, Who's Sonic
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the Hedgehog. Instead of a song, instead of thong panty sticking out over
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the top of the jeans, it'll be like Boxer Briefs at St. Man's
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State yeah, all right, anyway, oh boy, okay. ICCT is
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an independent foundation that was established in twenty ten by the TMC. ASCER is
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the institute that's a funny name ASCER Institute, Leiden University's Institute of Security and
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Global Affairs and what Klingondale Institute, as a result of an initiative originating in
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the Dutch Parliament motion Chorus, April two thousand and eight. I'm sure there's
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some Dutch people that are correct my pronunciation. I don't care, all right,
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do you want to say something or should I get into their mission and
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values? Oh god, yeah, okay, just finish the mission and values.
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But sorry, my volume was a little low. There's like background noise.
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I saw that my bar was picking something up. But I don't know
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if you guys are hearing that, because usually, like my air conditioner,
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well, I changed, I changed my I messed around with some settings and
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obs so I wouldn't pick up as much background noise and my voice would sound
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better. So but all right, they say it's better. No one can
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we even ken Wick? Do they even see Borat? Because Karen has Borat
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behind her? No, she's out of Borat's a little out of frame because
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I have it kind of like give me a tight it's like tightened. I
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okay, let me let me get him. Tighten it up, tighten it
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up. You gotta put him in the frame where your face is at there
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he is. Look at that, Look at that? What a cutie pie?
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Mm hmmm, doggo by jealous pass in the chat. Please give give
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the doggies some pats. All right. You don't forget to see him very
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often? So all right. Mission and Values we envision a world where societies
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are resilient to radicalization and polarization, and where citizens are protected by effective responses
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excuse me, responses to terrorism. Oh it's coming back, that's coming back.
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Response is to terrorism and violent extremism. That arend did it? Human
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rights and the rule of law. So they have like pages I can go
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to bull once. Yeah, I know it's like joke it on it.
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My own throat was trying to kill me. Incredible level of bullshit that we
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just read lower one. Here is it anything? It's worth? Mission and
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Values? Oh you want me to read the next one and your report and
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your parts? God no, no, that's corporate speak. Let's move on,
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uh. Programs. Rule of law, responses to terrorism. Okay,
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sure, should I see that's going to set up all of the all of
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the hypocrisy and insanity of this. Okay. In the last two decades,
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governments have increasingly adopted legislation that criminalizes the preparation, facilitation, and incitement of
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terrorism, as well as a range of administrative measures such as watch lists and
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the depravity of nationality deprivity whatever it's spelled different. I don't know what that
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is. Some of those efforts post serious challenges to human rights and the rule
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of law. By ensuring that counter terrorism laws and measures are grounded in the
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rule of law and respect human rights, policymakers and practitioners can maximize effectiveness,
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reduce the likelihood of counterproductive consequences, and improve prosecution outcomes while upholding the rights
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of victims, witnesses, and the accused. And by victims they mean people
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who they actually victim classes, not actual victims of state overseas overreach. Yeah,
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go ahead, preventing encountering violent extremism. Let's get all right, as
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long as as long as your vocal cords can manage. Yeah, no,
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I'm fine, I think I am drinking And anyway, security dominated responses to
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violent extremism have proven insufficient to counter and prevent its spread. Evidence and experience
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have shown that strategic, comprehensive, and holistic approaches can wield a far greater
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and more lasting impact on the prevention encountering a violent extremism. At the heart
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of PCVE is the need to address the myriad of factors that can fuel violent
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extremism, including discrimination and marginalization, poor governance, and lack of accountability of
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the state. For this reason, successful PCVE approaches must be underpinned by,
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and in many cases, actively work to strengthen human rights and the rule of
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law in communities affected by terrorism and violent extremism. And somehow presenting housewives as
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potential violent extremists doesn't violate their right to whatever lifestyle that they feel is appropriate
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for themselves. That's amazing. You said a whole proloaded word that had no
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meaning. Yeah, they don't have any meaning. They're essentially present. They're
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potentially directing threat narratives out of people who are just living their life. That's
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it. They've just made a choice of how they want to live their life.
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They are finding like minded people to create a community, and these these
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monsters are directing threat narratives at them. Well, what what I find what
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I find interesting is one of the things that you mentioned initially was, you
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know, like housewives who homeschool their kids. And that's really what's the thing
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here, right, is homeschooling, right, taking your kids out of government
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care, right, government guardianship for the six six to seven hours a day
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that they spend getting programmed with the government narratives. Right. And I can't
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tell you how important it is even if you do you have your kids in
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public school, right to uh to do counter programming at home, right,
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you know, like just just basically say you know, there there are there
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are subjects where there's a definite right and wrong answer, right, like math
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and spelling. Right, there's a definite right and the wrong. You know,
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there's one right answer and all of the other ones are really incorrect.
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Right. And then then there are other things that are a matter of opinion,
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and you need to really think about those things. And someone is just
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believing what you're told, right, because you're going to be told, you
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know. And I think it was when wh when the kids when older,
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you first started coming home in elementary school with propaganda on environmentalism in environmental issues,
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right, And and we went through I mean like it was it was
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mostly you know, kind of harmless, right, reduced, reused, recycl
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recover, right, and all of that stuff. And I explain how well
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this all makes perfect sense. And we do that. You know, we
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drink. We didn't buy drinking classes. We drink out of jar in this
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house, because why spend the money on drinking us when we can reuse things
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that we would just and then when they get a ship or they get a
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crack or whatever, and then we recycle them, right, because why throw
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them away? Right? And when they recycle and all of those things.
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Right. But if you if you actually go into you know the reasons why
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these things work, the reasons why they're a good idea, and it almost
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all things if they're a good idea for the government and the society as a
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good idea for you. Right. And in terms of we don't have to
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buy drinking classes. We need just use these leftover jars, right, We
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don't have to We don't have to throw in the two garbage cons that we're
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allowed every week, right and maybe have to pay for the extra bag or
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whatever. We can recycle them right, you return your bottles to the depot,
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you get some little a little bit of spending money. Right, all
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of these things, right, all of these things, if they're good for
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the government, then they're generally good for you and they're worth doing. So
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you know, you don't have stinky garbage leaking out a garbage bag sitting out
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on the curb. You've got a you know, a nice, big tough
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green bin that's there with all your food scraps in it, right, and
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then they make dirt with it and it's great, you know, So you
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have you have all of these things that are really like that are good,
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right, but then they slip in all of this other crap and it's like,
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you know, in the cities get lots of abortions. We need to
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reduce the population. Are incandescent light bulbs really that bad? When do you
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if you're in Edmonton or Saskatchewan, right, when do you have your lights
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on? Right in the winter in the winter, because it's light out here
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like here, it's light out in the summer. It's light out for what
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at fourteen hours a day, so up to more than sixteen hours a day,
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right, and see, you never have your lights on really and you
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know, and and okay, so they put out some waste heat. Okay,
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so your furnace doesn't have to work as hard it's winter, right,
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And then when you're done with them, you just throw them in the trash
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because they don't contain toxic levels of mercury, right, like fluoresce compact fluorescencedew
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right. And you know they use a little extra energy. But like I
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said, if you're only putting turning them on in the winter, then who
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cares? Right, So it's you know, so you made it. You
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made an effort to get them to think critically about these things, all these
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things, right, And so I was just like you know, when you
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when you actually boil everything down, you know, there's some things that are
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almost always going to be a good idea, and some things that are going
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to be like good in context, and then there are other things that are
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just completely unsupported. Right, they don't make any kind of sense. All
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of the cars on the road right now, Uh, there there was a
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I saw a video. The cars on the road right now are older than
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ever. Right. You know when you when you just take the average age
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of cars on the road right now, well, why is that? Why
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is that Number one, it's because the cost of new cars has gone up
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so dramatically. And number two it's because uh it's it's because nobody wants to
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buy an ev M. Yeah right, and buying buying evs doesn't make any
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sense, not if you're using coal fired or natural gas or or uh you
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know, plants to Yeah. So what you're basically saying is that they're worried
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about kids getting another line or learning to be critical to the to the narrative
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that is expected, like the government narrative. Well, the other thing that
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I would say is that homemakers, housewives reduce our reliance on Fiat currency.
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Oh yes, And and they reduce the tax base. And they reduce the
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tax base. So there's a financial, a corporate financial incentive to regard homemakers
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as being terrorists. I mean, I want, we're here, we're here.
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Homemakers are now considered terrorists or terrorists adjacent perhaps you know. Well,
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it's like if you're a wife, if you're a housewife, right, you
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don't have any taxable income and you are actually a dependent, So your husband
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gets a break on his taxes for you, right, so, and so
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do your kids, right? So it's like it completely compresses and reduces the
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tax base, right, from two people earning full time wages and paying full
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time taxes to just one, right who's getting tax breaks because he has dependents.
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And so I mean like they just don't like that, They really don't,
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and they don't like the idea that you have somebody who is opting to
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reduce how much is spent rather than increase how much is spent. So,
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because one of the things that I believe about me and foods everything, right,
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it requires a certain amount of movement in order to maintain its value because
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it has no other value. So its value is essentially the amount that it's
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exchanged. That's what Fiat's value is. Now. So when you have a
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homemaker who stays at home and reduces the amount that the the money moves,
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reduces the amount of products she's buying from corporations, reduces the amount of taxes
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she's paying into governments, that is uh that is actually violation against the system.
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And so even though when women work, the majority of the jobs they
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do are exactly the same jobs that they would have done. Every time I
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say that on on camera with somebody in an interview, I say, you
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know, what are they doing when they go to work. They're they're making
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sandwiches, They're bringing food to tables, they're pouring drinks. Right, They're
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they're being administered middle management, you know, yeah, yeah, they're they're
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like the office. Like the vast majority of women are middle management. What
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do you think a woman who stays home and manages kids and a household budget
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and all of the need the home is doing, she's a middle misery.
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So like everything women do in the great they're teaching done, Yeah, they're
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nursing. It's what they would have done in home, in their home,
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except it wouldn't be taxable, it wouldn't add to the economy, and it
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it would they would have complete control over their daily hot like what they do.
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You know what, when it's done, they'd have completely control over them.
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Then we're gonna be completely autonomous. So it's like, who does this
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really benefit at the end of the day, if women are just going out
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to do the work they would have done at home with complete autonomy and control
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over their schedule, and now they're now they're paying taxes and spending more money
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on so called convenience items, which are not very convenient if you think about
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it, because the only reason why you're doing them is you don't have the
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time to eat properly, to properly take care of the things that you own,
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et cetera. So it's like, yes, of course, a corporate
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a corporal governments system is gonna say that homemakers are terrorists because they under the
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completely and utterly without doing a single violent thing. They undermine corporations, the
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collusion between corporations and government, and they undermine Fiat currency like this is this
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is this is just like otherwise, it makes no sense. It makes absolutely
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no sense for any government aligned organization dealing with terrorism to regard women making autonomous
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decisions about how they're going to structure their family life as terrorists or terrorists or
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Jennyson or or creeping towards possible terrorism in the future. It doesn't make any
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sense. The threat response, It's like when somebody is responding to something that
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is no threat whatsoever, you have to ask why why are they doing that?
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All right, do you wanna do you wanna go to the next section
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or shall we we can go? Oh? I got I got a superchiw
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I should read? And Ryan, Yeah, you start talking. There's a
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real ah, it's a background. Yeah, it's okay. Oh yeah,
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that's what I'm saying. There's like air conditioner eyes hot in Virginia, and
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so our air conditioner is on, and you know when I do have like
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a thing that ducks the audio, but it picks it up for an instant
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first, so and then it ducks it. So you know, this is
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hopefully the least annoying the thing that I can do. So that's what it
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is. Yeah, it's hot, man, you don't want me sweating local
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scenarios, you know. Yeah, okay, But anyway, I got I
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got some super chow, a super chow and the super chat so kind Torment
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gave us five dollars and then five dollars, so maybe that was for the
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fundraiser, And says I am wondering if anyone has brought up the counter meme
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to the man or bear meme. Ask a man that is having a bad
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day, would you rather talk about your problems to a woman or a tree?
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Yeah? Right, ask a woman that it doesn't well yeah, yeah,
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I don't know, like, you know, it's probably upsetting women,
30:15
but I don't think that those two things are even close in terms of like
30:18
comparison, like having your feelings hurt versus like you know, comparing a man
30:22
to yeah, dehumanizing someone. But thank you for that. Yes, I
30:26
have seen it. Alber NATed retrog gives a two dollars Canadian a super chat
30:30
and says Karen, Yay, welcome back. Yeah, I think we're working
30:36
now. I think that this will be a productive setup for the future.
30:40
Karen's computer can run it and it doesn't like burn her legs, so then
30:45
you know that works out for everybody. So we just have to prepare and
30:48
make sure that we're on the ball. Okay, now back to this.
30:53
So, yeah, preventing accountering. Did I read this person? Yeah?
31:00
Okay, next, Current and Emerging Threats? Oh what are the current threats?
31:04
Here we go. Yeah. In order to prevent or counter terrorism and
31:10
extremism, both CT policy makers and frontline practitioners must be informed by evidence based
31:17
assessments of the various extremist threats that they are facing. In order to provide
31:22
such assessments, the Current and Emerging Threats Program studies the ideologies and tactics of
31:27
a variety of terrorists and extremist actors. It covers jihadist terrorism, as well
31:33
as right wing extremism and anti government extremism. But you repeat yourself. I
31:37
think and examines, among other things, how such movements form, what their
31:42
beliefs are, how they try to achieve their goals, and where they are
31:47
getting their support and doing so, it develops up to date insights into the
31:51
ever changing dynamics of terrorism and extremism. Well, huh, that's weird.
31:56
They didn't leave any They seem to have left out the communists and the antifas
32:02
anti government, right, Like I was going to say, you know,
32:05
like anti government isn't necessarily right wing right because antifa are anarchists, right,
32:13
they're just left wings. Yeah, well, there's no way to a true
32:19
anarchist, cooperative communist state other than through authoritarian government. And then one say
32:27
everything's all redistributed and we'll go from there and certainly fix it. Yeah,
32:34
then the state will just wither away on its own like that ever happens,
32:40
Yeah for sure? So okay, all right, do you want to say
32:46
anything else or no? I just want to say that a variety of terrorists
32:52
and extremist actors. So there's no left wing extremism, none whatsoever. Left
32:58
wing isn't anti government, they're just anti cop. They and right wing extremism.
33:05
A branch of right wing extremism is homemakers housewives. Okay, yeah,
33:10
very fair and balanced, Very fair and balanced, friends, very fair.
33:15
And I say that I'm not right wing, I'm not a housewife, but
33:21
I think that it is absolutely absurd to regard women who've made a choice about
33:27
their life, an autonomous choice about their life, to be terroristic in nature.
33:31
That's just sick. That's sick. Like, at this point, you
33:37
have to realize that there is something seriously wrong here, seriously wrong. And
33:42
I'm actually really glad that this feminist tweeted this at me and to just prove
33:46
that someone was she trying to like demonstrate this is like a thing that they
33:52
do a lot these The left loves to defer to what they consider to be
33:58
authoritative sources. So they'll say, well, this is where like their data
34:01
comes from. Right, Like they'll be like, look at this, look
34:05
at this feminist study that demonstrates this thing, and it's like, oh,
34:08
how many people are in it. Oh, look, it's like ninety nine
34:10
percent agreement, and that we have a consensus. Therefore this thing is true.
34:15
And so when when you they they will often show their ass when they
34:20
send you something saying, look, this proves your terrorists. And all it
34:22
does is shows how fucking paranoid they are, you know about about reality,
34:28
like oh, no, women and men, you know, getting along and
34:30
starting families and having kids and working together, cats and dogs, it's all
34:36
this area. Yeah yeah, but but I mean what it does is it
34:43
shows you, like what they what they find troubling. It's like, you
34:49
know, it's just like men forming their own spaces. It's the same thing.
34:53
They problematize it. The women tell each other and forty damorous. Yeah,
35:00
men's shed it's very dangerous. Or even men and women together and doing
35:06
something for men like that's dangerous. Right, give me, give me a
35:09
moment. I have to get up, and yeah, we'll move on to
35:14
water in my roast. Okay, water your roast. Go all right,
35:17
you're terrorist. I'm just gonna transform it so it's just the two of us,
35:22
and then when Karen comes back, we'll be the three of us.
35:24
Should I continue on the article? Well, I mean this is just them
35:28
talking about themselves, pontificating about how wonderful do you want to get into yeah,
35:32
I can see that. This is basically the pitch, right. These
35:36
people get a lot of government money and they're like, look, this is
35:38
what we're gonna do for you. We're gonna protect you from housewives, virgins,
35:44
gamers, and men who like to fish with each other. Yeah,
35:47
yeah, men's issues. Yeah, exactly. Well you have to ask yourself,
35:53
what's the real threat here? If this, if we are elevated to
35:57
that level of threat, why, why does why does the establishment find us
36:01
so scary? That's the real question, because because we're teaching, we're teaching
36:07
kids. I guess you're right, right, Like I think I think that
36:12
that that's that's the primary thing is you know, like if even if you
36:16
go back to that Aaron Russo interview where he talked about David Rockefeller I think
36:23
it was, who was a friend of his, and he said, well,
36:27
you know, why do you think women's liberation? You know he funded
36:30
David Rockefeller funded that? And he said, well, you know, get
36:32
women out of the home, get them earning income that can be taxed,
36:37
and get the kids in public schools where you can control everything that they learn.
36:45
Right, And that's that that was the whole goal, right, And
36:49
you can you can argue as to whether it was like you know, whether
36:54
it was successful or or whatever, but or whether it was like a really
37:00
grand conspiracy on behalf of like all of the powers that beat. But I
37:06
mean, there were definitely people who had an interest in getting women into the
37:10
workforce where they could be taxed. But the what's frustrating is I think that
37:16
they thought I think that if that was the thought, they thought wrong because
37:22
when you actually look at it, women in the workforce actually costs the tax
37:24
system money, right because they just needs so much help, right, They're
37:32
not if they're not married, and they're not with someone who is the primary
37:37
who is a primary breadwinner, who can basically pay all of the bills,
37:42
and maybe she works part time and she pays for the vacations and the new
37:45
furniture, you know, every now and then you know, spruce up the
37:50
place. If if it's if they're not doing it like that, then if
37:55
they're if they're actually just single mothers, then they're just a massive burden,
38:00
massive burden on the tax system. Can I make an I make an observation,
38:05
So maybe the ultimate aim wasn't wasn't to increase the tax base. It
38:09
was to increase the base for the use of theod so to make sure that
38:15
there's a there's enough of volume going through each each second that it can maintain
38:19
its value. When you look at it that way, it all of the
38:22
gender issues just sort of fall into place. All of the all the chaos
38:28
that they've created makes perfect sense. Of course, the problem is that they're
38:32
on the top of a pyramid scheme. Eventually that's gonna that's gonna come and
38:39
fite them in the ass. And meanwhile they've destroyed the entire productivity of a
38:44
society by destroying the relationships between men and women, which is where productivity starts.
38:49
Yeah, all right, okay, yeah, let's get into the article.
38:52
Okay, wait, wait, before we get into the article, I
38:55
want you to bring up the the pdf I CeNSE mapping the ideological Landscape of
39:01
extreme misogyny. Did you have that? Uh? Oh, yeah, I
39:06
see it. Yep, yep. Yet pulled on a second. Let me
39:07
just need to see about So the part that I want you to go to
39:12
is conceptualizing extreme misogyny. All right, so half of humanism is okay,
39:20
mapping the ideological landscape of extreme misogyny done, dun dum oh man, it's
39:25
the same group. Half of humanity has something to say. They haven't shut
39:30
up for Yeah. Oh, but no one's listening. Okay, Yeah,
39:37
if nobody's listening, that's why you have the other side of the equation,
39:42
uh listed as a terrorist group. Yeah, nobody's listening. Nope, Nope,
39:46
They're just gonna jail your opponents, anybody who disagrees with you. Oh
39:52
good lord, Okay, that's all right. Well they justify this though.
39:54
If anybody disagrees with them, that means they're being silenced. Therefore the needs
40:00
to jail anyone who disagrees, and only then will they be equal. See.
40:07
And now you've done it, Alison, What now I have to take
40:12
an ad though? Or was it this? Well? We all know that
40:19
when it comes to terrorism, during the Summer of Love of twenty twenty,
40:22
it was all housewives in their skirts that were burning down targets and looting walmarts
40:30
along with their husbands were wearing tweet suits and smoking pipes, throwing molotov cocktails.
40:37
I need to stop you from doing a terrorism there. It's a terrorism
40:42
to talk about. Do you remember being terroristic to engage in arson and murdering
40:46
people. Yeah, I remember, do you remember? Do you remember?
40:50
Okay, so they had that, they had the mom shield right the line
40:55
mom, I remember, I remember, yeah yeah yeah, and all linked
41:00
arms. These were all like chubby, freaking uh leftist women who suburban women,
41:06
yeah yeah, who were like, ah, we will not break and
41:09
we'll protect the guys behind us who are shooting fire commercial grade fireworks at these
41:15
cops who are just trying to protect a federal building. Right. And then
41:21
you had the dad's right, the army of dads with leaf blowers blowing the
41:25
tears away. I just wanted to grill you did this. You brought this
41:35
on yourself, the wall of moms and the army of dads blowing the tear
41:39
gas away from the protesters. And I was just like, oh, come
41:44
on, don't you people like are don't like? How much are you paying
41:50
your babysitter? Mm? If you're if you guys? Yeah right, dads,
41:54
how much are you paying your babysitter so you can be here at this
41:59
federal courthouse in Portland for no apparent reason? What's going on in there?
42:02
Do you even know? Yeah? But though dads, those moms and dads
42:07
aren't engaging any kind of terrorist or legal activity. But dads who are are
42:13
the ones who are homeschooling their children and raising them. And yeah, meat
42:20
loaf and casserole. Yeah about the about section. No, no, keep
42:29
going, because we've been through the about section. They always repeat the stuffy
42:31
Yeah, the abstract, Nana, you know what, the abstract might be
42:37
a good one to go through. Despite the growing complexity of the online misogynist
42:42
landscape and important efforts yeah to study some misogynist groups through singular case studies,
42:49
scholars have a limited understanding of the distinctions between the various relevant misogynist communities in
42:55
terms of their rhetorical, operational, and social facets. The current research,
43:00
yeah, yeah, it's equal recognition of male victims of sexual assault and people
43:06
who are victims of women. That's it. But when I started that,
43:08
that's what I wanted. That's it. And here I am unlikely on a
43:15
blacklist like this. You can't say blacklist anymore, Alison. You have to
43:20
say on a proofed list, I think, yeah, you can't. That's
43:24
problematic of colorless, of colorless as I'm on a list of color all right,
43:37
thank you very much. Yes, Okay, the current research aims to
43:44
address this gap by employing a multi layered analytical framework of different misogynist communities.
43:50
We begin with a comprehensive literature review conceptualizing extreme misogyny with an overview of the
43:55
current misogynist spaces and ideological narratives. You guys need like a You need like
44:00
a synonym for misogyny. You just used it like a bunch of times,
44:04
like who wrote this? Not well written? Right? You need to you
44:07
need to vary your your nounstime. Oh man, people, if asaurus is
44:13
a wonderful thing to have, I just want to say that all I want
44:17
is a genuine engagement with the statistics that show men don't necessarily rape more than
44:25
women. That's what I want, What they don't grape more than wisdom women.
44:30
I just want. I want them to look at the statistics and engage
44:32
with them in a genuine manner. Because and then, because I keep bringing
44:37
up and this list is increasing. I don't know if you've noticed this,
44:39
Karen, but my list of citations that indicate that saying that men rape more
44:46
than women grape more than women is probably incorrect just keeps growing year after year
44:51
after year, and every single time When I show them this list, they
44:55
say I'm cherry picking, and I'm like, but science doesn't work that way.
45:01
All I need is one to make you have to go back to the
45:06
drawing board with your allegation that men rape more than rape more than women.
45:10
But my consensus, popular opinion, this is what's gotten me highlighted by these
45:20
people, like my experts. But I mean, ultimately it's more than that.
45:25
But that was my big thing. That has been my big thing for
45:29
like decades now just thats and and it's never it's never actually been like that.
45:37
That has never been my my own personal you know, I guess bug
45:39
bear or whatever you want to call it, right, that's fine, you
45:43
don't have to bugger. I have, I have many others. And and
45:47
most of it has to do with just people being retards, right, Like
45:53
it's it's like, how can you look how can you look at this picture
46:00
of a cat and say it's a dog and believe it's a dog? They
46:06
keep doing it, they keep doing it, Like I'm my current argument on
46:10
Twitter, I swear to god, the feminist I'm arguing with is basically like
46:16
a pack rat in a wing wind tunnel full of paper. Like shards of
46:22
like paper from like a book, and they're just grabbing, grabbing shards and
46:25
presenting whatever they got as a coherent argument. Like it's just it's just it's
46:30
just insane. And I'm like, why can't I get one of these people
46:36
to just engage with this in an honest way, in an honest and scientific
46:40
way, an honest and rational way. And I can't. And because of
46:45
that, I am the terrorist adjacent individual. Yeah, well you're in cel
46:52
adjacent, So in cel adjacent, terrorist adjacent, whatever they want to call
46:57
me, just because I've looked at the stats and I said, you cannot
47:01
assert this, Like one counter bit of counter evidence to this stat means that
47:07
you have to go back to the drawing board. You can't continue to assert
47:08
this. And it's and that goes for much more stats than just the sexual
47:14
violence stuff, Like that's my bug of bear. I mean, domestic violence
47:16
is also really important. All of these issues, all of these issues that
47:21
they refuse to be honest about, they refuse to look at them in terms
47:24
rationally because they're ideologically motivated to maintain a particular party line in which women are
47:31
the only victims. So if you're somebody who says, who's trying to break
47:37
that stranglehold, that blockade. Then you are considered now by the ICCT and
47:47
the Department of Homeland Security to be some kind of terrorist adjacent individual, all
47:55
because you want people to tell the truth. I mean, even if you
47:59
don't care about male victims of sexual assault or female victims of female sexual assaulters,
48:06
and if you don't care about them, don't you want the truth?
48:08
Yeah? Like, and that's what I'm getting at, Like a lot of
48:13
the people they've want them to be honest. Yeah, no, but they've
48:16
built an entire model of the world, right and how it works, based
48:21
on their studies, which you know, very very conveniently, they only ask
48:29
men about how much they perpetrate and women about how much they've been perpetrated upon,
48:34
right, And so they use those studies to construct a model of reality,
48:37
and they fully they have full buy in into that model of reality.
48:42
And so basically, when you show them counter evidence, when you show them
48:45
okay, well, when you ask both parties, both sexes, about their
48:52
own perpetration and their victimization, right, you get roughly equal numbers. You
48:59
know. The Murray Straw famously was the first one to really do this right
49:02
in an academic kind of way, right, And and everybody loses their fucking
49:08
minds because they they've already right, and because their model of the world already
49:15
is the it's the path of least resistance in their psyches. Right. Of
49:22
course, women are weaker. Of course, men are more aggressive. Of
49:23
course, all of you know these things. Right. Of Course, men
49:28
are more capable of violence. Of Course women are fragile and childlike in some
49:36
ways, right, and need protection and all of that. Right, So
49:38
it dovetails perfectly with what their psyches are telling them in terms of their involved
49:45
psychology. At the same time, as you know, now they've constructed this
49:50
entire schema of how the world works based on those incomplete studies, and then
49:55
you come and show them the actual complete picture and they're like, now no,
50:00
no, no, no, no, no, no no, because
50:01
that is too big a leap for them. And it's just because they would
50:07
have to Actually, it's not just that they would have to throw their studies
50:10
out or they're that one little piece of their puzzle, right that it's not
50:16
just that that they have to throw out. It's the entire freakin' book.
50:22
It's not like ripping a page out of a novel, you know, and
50:25
crumpling it up and throwing it away and writing it again. You have to
50:30
rewrite the entire freaking story. Yeah, tire story. Yeah, but that.
50:35
But just wanting the truth in regard to sexual assault or domestic violence,
50:39
or false accusations or any of these things that men's issues advocates usually talk about.
50:45
Just wanting the truth gets you labeled a terrorist or terrorist or Jason or
50:50
whatever the hell they're trying to do here. But even more egregiously, they're
50:54
doing that to housewise. So let's finish the abstract and then get into all
50:59
right despite I'm sorry, we're gonna leave off at you guys were too.
51:06
Yes. Consequently, we sample the online ecosystem of extreme misogyny, both within
51:10
and across these communities, while utilizing a multi categorical tool in order to identify
51:16
the discursive, organizational, and operational distinctions between various misogynists communities. Our findings
51:23
reflect substantial differences between the various misogynist communities in terms of their legitimacy to violence,
51:30
the conceptualization of their adversaries, ideological visions, time orientation, and overall
51:37
operational discourse concordedly, vis a vis this is like the guy this is like
51:44
the guy at the end of the Second Matrix movie that's in the white suit,
51:47
you know, talking to you and you show up at the what is
51:51
it the architect? That's what this sounds like. Yeah, the legitimacy divine
51:59
kind of mean is whether or not they accept violence. Most of them don't.
52:04
In fact, I would say the vast majority of online spaces who talk
52:07
about these issues have no interest in advocating or promoting violence the conceptualization of their
52:13
adversaries. So some of us believe that our adversaries are lying about things like
52:17
sexual assault and domestic violence. How dare some don't even really have adversaries because
52:24
just women who want to be homemakers, their ideological visions, time orientation.
52:30
I actually am drawing a blank on that one. An overall operational discourse.
52:36
So essentially, what let's let's let's make this. Let's put this from corporate
52:40
corporal speak to just normal language. They all have different works, you know,
52:46
they all talk to different people, they all have different people opinions.
52:51
They all see something else that's wrong? Is it? Is it a horrible
52:53
thing to identify that something might be wrong in society because apparently that is now.
52:59
But of course, when Antifa does it, it's okay. When communists
53:01
do it, it's okay. When Islamises do it, it's okay. But
53:07
when people who are not left do it, then it's terrors. It's funny,
53:12
like their priorities are a bit interesting considering that Western countries are inundated with
53:17
recent visitors, I'll say that often have a shared belief in an Islamic faith
53:25
or something akin to statism, because they're coming here like oh, I heard
53:30
this free shit over here, and yet that's not an issue. That's not
53:34
an issue. It's it's the people who already live here that are married in
53:38
families and like that, I guess, or want a homeschool their children.
53:44
Like Karen said, I don't know, is this something that came ever since
53:50
the koof lockdowns and the government overreach? I don't know. Yeah, maybe,
53:57
sorry, which I was just reading a hit. Oh it's okay.
54:01
The the this is this kind of cracking down because like when that happened,
54:07
a lot of mothers were homeschooling their children. Yeah, and you know,
54:10
the so a lot of no, a lot of a lot of parents.
54:15
This is why there's been such such sparks flying at school board meetings in the
54:22
US is because kids were attending school by zoom and parents were actually witnessing what
54:30
their kids were being taught in class, and they were like, what the
54:37
fuck? Yeah, like, what is this commie freaking academy? What?
54:45
Right? So? Yeah, no, like you you're talking about like elementary
54:50
schoolers being you know, hailing all hail the LGBTQ flag and uh and you
54:59
know, teacher going to talk about her sexual orientation and her her her gender
55:06
coming out to her classroom and stuff, non binary status and you know,
55:10
and all of these things, right, And it's like, you know,
55:14
these kids weren't necessarily coming home. The kids weren't necessarily coming home from school
55:21
and telling their parents this, right. And one of the reasons why is
55:24
because the teachers. Right. And I don't know about you, but my
55:30
parents always taught me when I was a kid. Right, if there's an
55:32
adult who talks about something with you that isn't exactly apropos kosher of yeah,
55:42
the subject matter, Oh, it's just off topic, right, Like we're
55:45
doing a mouth lesson what do I need to know about the fact that you
55:50
know, like you have a you're a woman, and you have a wife
55:54
and she's non binary, and you know, and blah blah blah, right,
55:59
like I don't it's not it's not part of school, right, And
56:05
and then they tell you don't tell your parents, right, that is?
56:12
That is like that was so if somebody says something to you that seems a
56:16
little off right, a little off topic, not part of a normal conversation,
56:22
right, and it has to do with you know, private parts and
56:27
things like that and their personal lives, and and they tell you not to
56:31
tell your parents, it's probably time to tell your parents. Yeah, ye,
56:37
any any any kids might be slipping through the cracks and listening. Yeah,
56:43
I'm hearing that the numbers for teacher female teachers. That s a there's
56:50
they're male students. That is, that is a growing number. At least
56:54
people are finding that it's a bigger problem than we thought previously. Tell you
57:00
for sure. Okay, so I just want to say, let's skip the
57:02
introduction because they're just poisoning the well by bringing up two incidents. Yeah,
57:07
I know, like Menassian didn't have anything to do with in cell violence.
57:12
It was he had significant pressures in his life related to losing a job that
57:16
led that triggered this, and he was just bullshitting because a lot of times,
57:22
when you know, people who are that mentally ill don't really have a
57:24
very good handle on what's actually driving them. And then there's another incident too,
57:29
people were shot in a yoga studio. Again, that's like five years
57:34
ago from this report, so I think I remember something about that. But
57:39
yeah, substantially more women killed their husbands or live in part male partners than
57:45
have ever killed like in cell violence. And yet again, what do they
57:50
choose to focus on? Yeah, like this is this is actually sort of
57:53
sick. Substantially more men kill themselves than will ever engage in any kind of
57:59
violence towards anyone else. But what do they choose to focus on? What
58:01
do they choose to focus on? That's all I wanted to say. Let's
58:05
get down to who they're focusing on. So this one conceptualizing extreme misogyny.
58:10
No, but it's not on the phone. Oh oh we're going to the
58:14
Oh men's rights activists, we are, Oh, we are listed. Oh
58:19
we're the first one. We are first on the list. Look, male
58:22
supported misogyny, So what is it you want me to read the men's rights
58:25
activist section, well, actually read the whole start from the beginnings. We'll
58:29
start from the beginning. Okay, all right, all right, we'll get
58:30
the context. We don't want to misrepresent them. No, we don't want
58:34
to misrepresent them. Let's represent us. So okay. Male supported misogyny spread
58:39
across across multiple online platforms, blogs, forums, message boards, social media,
58:44
et cetera. The manosphere ecosystem is far from homogeneous, differing on topics,
58:50
user motivations, and engagement levels. However, it is all united by
58:54
the concept of the red pill, derived from the nineteen ninety nine film The
58:59
Matrix. As Ging notes, the red pill philosophy purports to awaken men to
59:06
feminisms, miss injry, and brainwashing, and is the key concept that unites
59:10
all those communities. I don't have a problem with that. The red pill
59:15
has become a recurrent cultural motif across the manisphere to cement a transitional collective identity
59:22
national collection. Oh trans I'm sorry, transnational collective identity, supplemented more recently
59:30
by the black pill, an adjacent concept of nihilism that is usually but not
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exclusively, ascribed to in cells in the description of the Manisphere communities below.
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It should be noted that there are not always clear boundaries between these groups,
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and overlap between them is common by while, but while some communities such as
59:47
PUAs and Migtau have starkly different orientations, they do converge on an anti feminist
59:53
agenda. I want everybody to note this. It's terrorism to be non feminist,
1:00:01
to not believe what feminist says about men and women. That's considered to
1:00:07
be presumably terrorism or terrorism adjacent extreme extremism, extremism, to not agree with
1:00:14
feminism by the government, by the Department of Department of Homeland Security, by
1:00:22
this similar organization in Europe like that. That's where we're at. You cannot
1:00:30
disagree with feminism, you cannot disagree and detail otherwise you are an extremist,
1:00:38
a potential terrorist like and and this is not this is not mainstream. Somehow
1:00:45
there are still underdogs, even though anybody who disagrees with them, we're moving
1:00:50
more and more close to getting them jailed or put in camps like this is
1:00:53
This is really ugly. And I would oppose feminism simply because you can't criticize
1:01:00
it without being considered an extremist. There is nothing on this earth that should
1:01:05
be allowed to hold that position in our thinking period. There should be nothing
1:01:10
that's above criticism. Nothing. So this this document has just explained why feminism
1:01:19
has no legitimacy because it can't be criticized. And something that's purported to be
1:01:24
based on science and you put it in a position where you can't criticize it,
1:01:29
it's no longer science. It is religion. And it's not even religion
1:01:34
that you know, people, that keeps the community together, that helps bring
1:01:37
out the best in people morale, morally, it is we need a new
1:01:42
word for it. It is a religion. It is a cult. Yep.
1:01:45
It is a cult, not even a religion. It is a cult,
1:01:51
all right. And it's like a state sponsored cult, which is terrible,
1:01:53
absolutely an astro cult. All right. So where was I I?
1:02:00
Now? Well, actually I'm just going to the next section. So,
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first group men's rights activists. One of the oldest groups of the manisphere that
1:02:07
emerged during second wave feminism as an ally against gender hierarchies is the Men's Rights
1:02:14
Movement. It has since splintered into anti feminist MRAs who believe that feminist practices
1:02:20
policies and narratives are to blame for many contemporary social crises and societal breakdowns MRAs.
1:02:27
Second, yep, okay, literally, Mary Koss, who is a
1:02:30
much cited feminist supposed researcher, has made it so that male victims of sexual
1:02:39
assault are not recorded in the statistics by essentially saying that a woman forcing a
1:02:44
man to have sex is not rape. You are never going to get me
1:02:49
to believe that that doesn't represent feminists, like just making a problem for male
1:02:59
victims, just distorting a reality, distorting your reality, and making a problem
1:03:04
for male victims, like making it so that male victims have less lobbying power
1:03:08
because they are less they are seen as lesser, are less important, and
1:03:14
less of a population. Well, she didn't just say, you know,
1:03:21
like, okay, they haven't been raped like that, it doesn't count as
1:03:24
rape. She basically said, you know, while it's true, right that
1:03:31
some men feel like they've been victimized when they were ambivalent about their own sexual
1:03:39
desires. Right, So she's basically saying, these guys actually wanted it,
1:03:45
right, that's you know, they didn't know they wanted it at the time,
1:03:50
but they actually really wanted it, And and it's like that that is
1:03:55
like because you can you can say, you can say, Okay, we're
1:03:59
going to narrowly find rape as something that can only be done to a woman
1:04:01
and only be done with a penis, right, you can you can say
1:04:04
that, and you can say that, you can even argue that, you
1:04:08
know, men should be able to physically defend themselves as sexual assault and things
1:04:12
like that, and so it's we should be skeptical whenever one of them claims
1:04:15
that they've been forced to have sexual intercourse or or any kind of sexual activity
1:04:21
with a woman when you know a woman forces them to do it, and
1:04:26
you can even argue, right that you know, biologically it's erections. You
1:04:35
know, we might want to be a little skeptical about that too. But
1:04:40
but to just write off the entire category, right, the entire category of
1:04:45
male victims of any kind of sexual assault, right, any kind of rape
1:04:50
as as well they really actually wanted it and they just didn't realize at the
1:04:59
time that that they wanted it, yeah, or they changed their minds afterwards.
1:05:03
And it's like yeah, no, no, that that's prevalent. Really,
1:05:09
that really that Merry cost quote was just like it's really hideous. Oh,
1:05:15
and that is prevalent in feminist research is the minimization of male's experiences of
1:05:20
violence, domestic violence, and sexual assault by women. And for no other
1:05:25
reason than the narrative that it's a male only crime with female only victims makes
1:05:31
them more money. That's the only reason I can see, and gives them
1:05:34
more clout. So they are throwing male victims under the bus, and they're
1:05:39
also throwing female victims under the bus because that means you cannot understand the situation
1:05:44
enough to actually make it move the needle on reducing it. If you if
1:05:48
you refuse to look at half the data. So this is the and and
1:05:53
and if you question all of that, if you recognize that you are an
1:05:57
extremist. Okay, let's continue. Brian, all right, Umm well,
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okay. So Mamoray's focus on male related social issues and the alleged institutional,
1:06:10
especially legal discrimination against men. They assert that there is a contemporary crisis of
1:06:15
masculinity resulting from men being explicitly oppressed, marginalized, and discriminated against. I
1:06:23
don't think we use the word oppressed. I think that's a that's a that's
1:06:26
a uh, what do you call it? It's a charged word. I
1:06:29
don't think that's correct. But the other stuff, yeah, they get they
1:06:32
are marginalized, they are discreted against. Thus, the erosion of masculine values
1:06:38
facilitates the economic, social, and psychological struggles of a large portion of men
1:06:43
in Western societies. One of the most influential figures within MRAs is Paul Elam.
1:06:48
Shout out to Paul, who runs the popular A Voice for Men website,
1:06:53
in which its contributors quote frequently deploy violent rhetoric in their focus on issues
1:06:59
such as father's right circumcision, anti abortion laws, allegedly female perpetrated rape and
1:07:03
violence, and in particularly allegilated yeah, allegedly allegedly and in particular a suppose
1:07:11
epidemic of false rape claims. So if you all eye yourself with the ideology
1:07:18
behind this report, you can't even recognize that men and boys are raped and
1:07:24
sexually assaulted by women. Apparently, I think we can skip the other ones.
1:07:28
It's just the usual suspects and the usual statements about the usual suspect like
1:07:31
MiG Tao are men that want to be left alone? How awful I mean,
1:07:36
it's it's like they don't have PUAs are men that want to please women
1:07:41
so that they could sleep with them. How awful? In cells are men
1:07:44
who are virgins? How awful? Like? What? No, that's that's
1:07:49
what they cover. Oh gamers, Oh shit, dude, Gamers are on
1:07:54
the list. We are the most suppressed minority guys. Look, we made
1:07:58
it into the list. Like wait, Gamers are part of the manisphere.
1:08:02
Now what. Unlike the eph I gotta read this outsid, I'm sorry.
1:08:08
Unlike the aforementioned community, is only a subsection of gamer and geek culture lies
1:08:13
in the manosphere, with group boundaries less neatly defined. This community came to
1:08:17
prominence with gamer Gate in twenty fourteen, based shout out to Gamergate and the
1:08:24
subsequent networked harassment of women online. In contrast to other communities, the geek
1:08:29
and gamer elements of the men's rights community have adopted a significantly different strategy regarding
1:08:34
beta masculinity. These cultures are rail against, rather than inspired to be the
1:08:40
alpha males of jock culture, whom they refer to as chads, normis and
1:08:44
frat boys. I think you're getting some of your groups confused. Thus they
1:08:48
embrace there's overlap. Yeah, but like those that terminology is not gamer terminology.
1:08:55
Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess it depends on
1:08:58
the context. Yeah, it sounds like or like in cell wizard chan stuff.
1:09:01
Yeah, Thus they embraced the so called geek traits like intellect and introversion
1:09:05
over physical masculinity and extraversion. Furthermore, this community also acts as a gateway
1:09:11
and a recruitment pool for members transitioning into Manisphere communities. Other yeah, other,
1:09:18
Well, what what happened is the gamers were the first, like non
1:09:25
community that actually rejected their influence on games, like their attempts to turn games
1:09:32
into a means to essentially propaganda. Is the gamer community with all of this
1:09:41
this intersectional and DEI stuff like, that's that, and they will always have
1:09:45
that stigma that they were the community that successfully fought back. Well they're still
1:09:50
fighting back even today. There's all we're getting all kinds of victories now.
1:09:54
And I think that's why they're adding gamers to the list, because it's just
1:09:59
it's just like the if you look at all of these like, look,
1:10:01
they got trad cons in here, they got Father's rights movement in here.
1:10:06
No fappers, like really, no fapp you don't masturbate, Oh, my
1:10:13
god. So basically all this is, all this is, if you look
1:10:17
at it, all of this is it is just like places where men are
1:10:20
at that's it. They're not that related men's rights activists and no FAPs and
1:10:26
trad cons like and in cells and gamers like. It's just it's just like
1:10:31
where there are men and they're not monsters, they're not treated like demons.
1:10:39
Anybody who criticized resists. I think this stream deserves alike. Just I think
1:10:45
this stream deserves alike, just for the gamer and no FAP categories. Where
1:10:48
the manisphere is growing. Guys, we're growing fam we now were like the
1:10:55
umbrella is getting bigger. I know, the go ahead there aren't wasting their
1:11:00
seed. So yeah, that's true every far right chauvinist groups. I'm assuming
1:11:09
this is the Proud Boys. Yeah. One group that advocates is vermilitant masculinity
1:11:13
as the Broad Boys, whose members self identify as Western chauvinists, to refuse
1:11:17
to apologize for creating the modern world. Yeah, I mean, but when
1:11:19
they see these people are did they're there, they hear chauvinus and they think
1:11:24
that it's something about women, but it's not. It's about being like unapologetically
1:11:30
yeah, nightly exactly. Yeah, Like I said, criticism is about is
1:11:38
about nightly behavior. It's about like, uh uh, the the sort of
1:11:44
the noblest obleege, the requirement to serve as as a knight, as a
1:11:50
meder of justice and as as upholder of the law, and as someone who
1:11:57
serves a community in those ways at risk to himself. Right, that's what
1:12:03
chauvinism is, oh man, is anti feminism cast as extremism, yeah,
1:12:10
and oriented as potential terrorism in order to start justifying jailing anybody who doesn't agree
1:12:15
with feminism, which I'm not even and I will fight against anything that is
1:12:21
put in a position where you can't criticize it or be jailed. Sorry,
1:12:26
feminists, you are the evil empire. You are the baddies. How many
1:12:30
years is Tario serving Enrique Tario, Yeah, like thirty years, Yeah,
1:12:35
something like that. His life is over unless he gets a pardon, which
1:12:41
I hope he does, but we'll see. But yeah, that's that's not
1:12:44
that's not right. He was arrested because he yeah, he was ahead of
1:12:51
the crowd. Boys. He's a he's a cut Afro Afro Cuban, Afro
1:12:59
Cuban that's it. Afro Cuban, right, his parents came to America fleeing
1:13:04
Castro. Yeah, white nationalist Proud Boys, right, So he's the leader
1:13:10
of the white nationalist Proud Boys, right, And some Proud Boys were involved
1:13:15
in January sixth then so he uh, he wasn't there, by the way,
1:13:19
he wasn't there, No, but they came to him and picked him
1:13:23
up. The Feds came and got him. And apparently the charges that he
1:13:26
like destroyed personal property or somebody's property was like a BLM flag, he like
1:13:30
burned it. That's that's not thirty years. But I don't care who you
1:13:34
are. There's that, you know, that's that's a misdemeanor. You know,
1:13:39
a fine, that's it. It was. But that was just the
1:13:41
excuse he organized an insurrection or something. And he was accused of conspiring to
1:13:47
organize an insurrection. Yeah. Yeah, and and well not to organize an
1:13:51
insurrection, because nobody's been charged on any kind of insurrection related charges. I
1:13:56
don't think, no, it's all bullshit. Insurrection hasn't appeared in any of
1:14:01
the charges. But but yeah, no, he basically, you know,
1:14:06
he was the head of the group and the group did some I guess questionable
1:14:12
things on January sixth, and so that's thirty years for him, and and
1:14:18
it's it's like, really thirty years, thirty years, right, some of
1:14:24
these people have been like when you when you look at it, you know.
1:14:29
And Kamala Harris was like promoting that group to bail out the Minneapolis rioters,
1:14:34
right, who are yeah, the bail fund and and she was promoting
1:14:40
that on Twitter during the twenty twenty Summer of Love. And it's like,
1:14:45
okay, yeah, but you have you have some of these guys who were
1:14:49
just there on jan six Right, they walked on a patch of grass that
1:14:57
was where it was on the other side of where the were, right,
1:15:02
but there were no offenses anymore. So they just like happened to be in
1:15:06
a spot where they shouldn't have been that was not any demarked anymore. And
1:15:12
they're in jail, and some of them were in jail for in jail awaiting
1:15:17
trial for like years. Well, I wonder how they'll I wonder how the
1:15:21
left will deal with this because they're giving or they're supporting and tremendous government overreach
1:15:27
and suddenly they're one of their own hobby horses. Is in the crosshairs.
1:15:30
Have you noticed that? What do you mean by hobby horses? Afro Cubans
1:15:36
no Gaza, Oh oh yeah. I'm not going to describe it any further
1:15:41
than that, But then that is a left hobby horse. This government does
1:15:45
not appreciate for whatever it is. So how soon are all of those powers
1:15:53
and overreach that they supported when it was directed against their so called political opponents,
1:16:00
How soon before they're going to be used against them? And I've said
1:16:04
that from the beginning that don't support this because it can be used against you.
1:16:09
But we should move on to the next. Well I got, I
1:16:13
got super chows a super chowd a superchat, so I should read it.
1:16:16
So tell him Nar gave us fifty dollars, thank you. Tell him,
1:16:19
Nah, really appreciate it. Thank you. Come again, and he says,
1:16:25
hello, Karen. Always nice to see you make it to a show.
1:16:28
I understand if you're too busy a lot of the time, but it's
1:16:30
nice to have your input. There is so much nonsense that needs to be
1:16:33
debunked. Also, I would like to congratulate the Badgers generally on moving through
1:16:39
this document with such speed. We are several paragraphs in after less than an
1:16:43
hour. The paper you're reading is infuriating, but at least the analysis is
1:16:46
first rate. These people are trying to move the Overton window so that anyone
1:16:49
who disagrees with feminism is an extremist. But I think that there is enough
1:16:54
ideas fulling around the zeitgeist, like male suicide, differential sentencing in prison,
1:17:00
that they will not succeed. And part of that shift in the zeitgeist is
1:17:03
due to your efforts. Well done, Thank you. Tell Lemnar, I
1:17:05
will say that they're not trying to move the Overton window. They're trying to
1:17:09
hold on to it. We're the ones moving it. We're pushing the Overton
1:17:13
window with tremendous horse And it's not just us, because all we have to
1:17:16
do is put those ideas out there, and then other people talk about it,
1:17:19
and they tell their friends, and they tell their friends and so on
1:17:23
and so on and so on. And I think it's getting to the point
1:17:26
now where these talking points they're just out there and now they can't stop it.
1:17:31
You know, like there's like a female comedian, oh man, what's
1:17:34
her name, Leonarda Leonardia. She's like Eastern European woman, very funny,
1:17:42
and she like she gets it, like completely gets it. She knows all
1:17:46
the I don't know if she watches us, but she's definitely got the talking
1:17:49
points and she's very popular. So yeah, thank you tell Lemnar. But
1:17:54
I think that it's not an issue of them moving the Overton window. It's
1:17:57
them trying to protect the Overton window. Albert Nata Retro gives us five dollars
1:18:01
Canadian and says women don't sexually assault men, just as Justin Bieber about his
1:18:06
pal Jenny McCarthy. Sheesh. Then there's Bill maher On, Mary Kaylaturno.
1:18:12
Yeah, well you know, all right, that's it. Alis. I'm
1:18:15
sorry. Now, let me just wake sure there's no rumble rants, because
1:18:18
oh yeah, I got rumble rants. I should read those two. But
1:18:20
go ahead. People will get in my case about going on Twitter and arguing
1:18:25
with people, but you put these points out where you can, basically,
1:18:30
and what what I've noticed is almost to the word, some of the points
1:18:34
that I make have shown up on YouTube comments on completely unrelated videos, and
1:18:41
so it's getting out there and you fight, you fight the battle where you
1:18:45
can, essentially, So that's why I continue to do that. I just
1:18:48
put the points out there. Put the points out there. People are picking
1:18:53
up on it. They're also picking up on the fact that when I put
1:18:56
the points out there, the only responses that feminists have are insults, deflections,
1:19:01
denials, and acting like a complete buffoon. Yeah. They always lie,
1:19:09
they always project, and they always double down, all right, so
1:19:12
Nova Fan Yeah, and then they just block you and mute you, or
1:19:15
they trying to throw you in jail or something. You know, So this
1:19:19
is un rumbled. Noba Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and said,
1:19:23
if the people who make the report believe Snarkisian is a gamer, they have
1:19:27
corner themselves by calling gamers terrorists. No, I mean they believe that she
1:19:31
is a woman in gaming, not a gamer. Gamers are just like men
1:19:35
that attack women. Women in gaming are specifically women in gaming. You got
1:19:40
to understand the lingo, Noba Fan, I have I am like a main
1:19:44
character in a Lovecraftian novel. It's driven me crazy, but I understand have
1:19:49
insight. Nova fans twenty one then gives another dollar and says, did I
1:19:53
just hear a group accused of only harassment qualifies for the same label as nine
1:19:58
to eleven Uh, I don't, I don't white. Yes, this should
1:20:05
absolutely infuriate people in Europe because this is what this these these individuals, that
1:20:11
this is the jurisdiction they work under. So, I mean, you see
1:20:14
the same stuff with the Department of Homeland Security funded initiatives in the US most
1:20:18
likely. Yeah, you also see it in Canada. They've funded these initiatives
1:20:23
too. They are wasting taxpayer money on going after people like me who just
1:20:30
bring up inconvenience statistics that poke holes in the narrative, rather than people who
1:20:35
are actually going to harm others. Yeah, that is that is despicable that
1:20:43
they're wasting taxpayer money on this. Like there, it's ridiculous, Like what
1:20:47
the hell have I done? Just pointed out that you can't say that men
1:20:53
are the predominant rapers. It's not a gendered issue. The statistics aren't there.
1:20:59
You know. That's that's one of the few things. And then everything
1:21:01
else followed from that. Poking that hole in that particular feminist narrative led me
1:21:06
to poking holes and other feminist narratives and led me to realize that the entire
1:21:11
construction is false and if we base our society on something so important, like
1:21:16
a false conception of something so important is the relationship between men and women.
1:21:20
We aren't gonna have a much of a society like that. That all followed
1:21:25
from that, And I am an extremist just because I criticize and why because
1:21:31
it really isn't about women. It's about maintaining a particular financial status quo.
1:21:39
I guarantee that that's the real fear here. That's the real thing that they're
1:21:44
protecting. Okay, all right, le's go to females. So yeah,
1:21:49
we're gonna look at female support a misogyny. ID to get one more super
1:21:53
chat from Flying Falcon for five bucks. They say, never expect men to
1:21:56
save those that hate them. Rip Grandpa, thank you, Flying Falcon.
1:22:00
Okay, So, female support of misogyny also manifests across communities that operate adjacent
1:22:06
to the manisphere. But and so it's basically the womanosphere, but can still
1:22:11
be considered as part of the broader misogynistic online ecosystem. The ideological agendas,
1:22:16
affiliation, identity, and roles that women hold within these communities vary according to
1:22:20
their involvement within the spectrum. Shared distinguishing feature across all iterations of the spectrum
1:22:27
is anti feminism and the need to persevere traditional gender roles and societal norms currently
1:22:31
perceived as under threat in any in modern day society. Traditional gender roles preserve.
1:22:40
Oh no, it says persevere though, yeah, oh here's yeah,
1:22:46
Mike, I'm pretty sure that I'm not promoting traditional gender roles when I say
1:22:49
that the evidence suggests that men are not more likely to rape women or grape
1:22:56
women than the reverse. In fact, I'm challenging a traditional gen Yeah,
1:23:00
and yet I'm still in this category. So this is bullshit. All it
1:23:04
is is criticizing feminism, basically. It's it's basically anyone who doesn't. They
1:23:10
don't even have to be anti feminists or non feminist. They could just be
1:23:13
like ambivalent towards feminism. Like, how many gamers do you think would come
1:23:16
out and say they're anti feminists? How many trad cons really trade cons are
1:23:20
feminist, Like they're basically like second wave feminists. You know, for the
1:23:25
most part, you don't really get a lot of people saying, you know,
1:23:28
like like most trade cons will be yeah, like they won't. That
1:23:31
doesn't that's not very popular. They don't invoke queen victoria, they don't say
1:23:36
you know, like, uh, I don't know, like like the feminism
1:23:42
of the suffrage movement was okay or not Okay, No, that doesn't happen
1:23:47
like it this is all. This is all people who are like basically not
1:23:50
supporting the current thing. That's it. Yes, that's it. Doesn't even
1:23:54
have to be like radical or anti feminists or highly religious. All that stuff
1:24:00
is just stand ins. It's because all of those have been put into black
1:24:02
categories the male perspective, religion, you know, gender roles. I guess
1:24:10
whatever the fuck that means people working out their shit together without the oversight of
1:24:15
these people. Yeah, people going to the gym, people not that masturbating,
1:24:17
people playing video games, men men men playing video games or whatever like
1:24:23
that. It's just it's basically they're like, you should be talking about the
1:24:28
shit that we care about all the time because it and yeah, yeah,
1:24:32
go ahead, choosing your life in the way that we dictate. Yeah,
1:24:36
organizing your life in the way that we think you should. Right. So,
1:24:40
what are some groups of women conservative anti feminist women? Okay, female
1:24:46
supporting misogyny is like, by the way, not a lot of these actually
1:24:49
exist. Like seriously, like if the last couple of years haven't shown you
1:24:56
that, like this is not a common thing. Yeah, so female support
1:25:00
of misogyny is a parent within anti feminist conservative female figures and their rhetoric.
1:25:04
These figures reject feminist theory, with which stipulates that one gender equality is both
1:25:11
socially and morally desirable, to feminism is a necessity for social change, and
1:25:16
three gender is socially constructed. All of those are just ridiculous. Yeah,
1:25:24
that's okay. You might as well be speaking Martian. They're not em bailing.
1:25:30
They're saying, yeah, you reject gender equality if you reject feminism.
1:25:35
No, I reject the lies. Mm hmm okay, I promote gender equality,
1:25:42
recognition that that that there is equality in grape, and that neither men
1:25:48
nor women are more or less responsible for that human ill. It's not gendered.
1:25:54
And yet you have decided to say that if I say that, then
1:25:59
I'm an extremist. Right, Well, okay, but these are. But
1:26:01
then you're taking something away, you're taking something away from women if you've said
1:26:05
that they're not in Bailey. Okay, but these these are conservative anti feminist
1:26:11
women that they're talking about, right, And yes, you know, like
1:26:14
you could argue that Christina Off Summers thinks that gender equality is not necessarily socially
1:26:23
and morally desirable, right, like equality of outcome, that feminism is not
1:26:30
necessary for social change. I think she would probably agree with with that,
1:26:35
at least at this point in our history, right, And that gender is
1:26:41
socially constructed. I think she would completely disagree with with that gender is socially
1:26:45
constructed. So I think that I think that this is these are like conservative
1:26:53
anti feminist women are probably reformed second waivers, yeah if I mean, but
1:27:00
I mean a real one would be like Phyllis. The real ones would be
1:27:03
like Phyllis Schlaffley. Yeah, right, yeah. At the beginning, well,
1:27:09
okay, but Phyllis Schlaffley came at it from a conservative perspective of you're
1:27:13
opening a Pandora's box, and then people like Christina Hoff Summers opened that Pandora's
1:27:17
box. And then Christina Hoff Summers said, the ship that came out of
1:27:23
that box is getting a little out of hand and it needs to be packed
1:27:27
back in there, right, and you know, because it's gone too far.
1:27:30
And so I mean, like that that's the category of women that they're
1:27:36
talking about here, And what they're thinking, I don't think those women go
1:27:41
far enough. I don't think even Phylish Laughley went far enough in terms of
1:27:45
if she was actually a true conservative woman. But but you know, like
1:27:51
if she was truly anti feminist, truly conservative, she would have she would
1:27:57
have rejected the vote. She would have said she would have said no,
1:28:01
no, women shouldn't have this, And to my knowledge, she never did
1:28:08
that. So and it would be from those conservative principles of you know,
1:28:15
like the unit, the base unit of society is not necessarily the individual.
1:28:21
It's it's the family unit. And men and women come together to create that.
1:28:30
And men serve a specific role, traditional role, and women serve another
1:28:38
traditional role. And you know, politics, getting women involved in partisan politics
1:28:45
is not necessarily going to serve them, right, It's going to put them
1:28:51
at odds with their husbands, it's going to put them at odds with their
1:28:55
children, it's going to put them at odds with their communities. You know,
1:29:00
Like one of the things that the anti suffrage hast said when they were
1:29:03
arguing that women shouldn't have the vote was that, like we do all this
1:29:08
charity work, right, we do all of this charity work, like we
1:29:13
set up poorhouses for orphan children. We you know, we we set up
1:29:18
schools for kids whose parents can't afford to send them to school, and all
1:29:24
of these things, right, And in order to do that, we have
1:29:28
to ask for money and funding and things from people of all political persuasions.
1:29:38
Right. We have to lobby all sides of the political spectrum, right in
1:29:45
order to do the work we do, and in order to be able to
1:29:49
do that effectively, we have to be removed from that. Right. We
1:29:54
cannot be partisan politicking while we're trying to serve of our communities in the ways
1:30:01
that we know how to do best, which is charity work and foundational work
1:30:08
and you know, community work and all of that stuff. Right. So
1:30:12
you know, like I look at this and I think, well, okay,
1:30:15
that's an argument for women not having the vote. Another argument, and
1:30:18
this is actually something that everybody should read. It was a nineteen oh three
1:30:23
article in The Atlantic magazine by Oh God, what was his name? L
1:30:31
I. M. N Abbot Lyneman Abbot called why Women Do Not Wish the
1:30:42
Suffrage and has been doing a series of talks on that Thursdays. Tune in
1:30:49
to HBr Talk on Thursdays to watch more about suffrage. It's an absolutely beautiful
1:30:57
like when you get a little further down when he starts discussing like the role
1:31:00
of government, right, and he says, you know, like what is
1:31:04
the government for. Well, it's to protect person, property, and reputation,
1:31:11
right against you know, violence and fraud. Right, that that's what
1:31:17
it's there for. Right, person, protect person, property, and reputation.
1:31:24
And if a man, okay, if a government does only that and
1:31:29
nothing else, like a government could run the railroad and the mail and you
1:31:33
know, and the express and build the roads and things like that, and
1:31:38
you know, and fine, right, but if he does those he can
1:31:44
do all of those things. If he doesn't do these three fundamental things,
1:31:47
then there is no government. And if he does only those three things,
1:31:55
then it's a just government, right, even if even if the does nothing
1:32:00
else. Right. So, and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking,
1:32:04
you know, and then he says he goes on to say, well,
1:32:08
you know, who is called to the posi committatus, Right, who is
1:32:13
called to serve in civil emergency? Right when there's a civil disturbance, called
1:32:20
to serve, when there's a natural disaster called to serve? Right, who
1:32:27
are that's men. That's men that are called to do that, right,
1:32:31
Civilian men called to do these things, to step into these things. Right.
1:32:36
And okay, so are we going to set up a system where women
1:32:41
are only the generals and men are the drafted foot soldiers? Right when women
1:32:49
call the shots and men have to do the enforcement. That's not just right.
1:32:57
And it's nineteen oh three he's saying this, and I'm like, yeah,
1:33:01
that's what that's That's been my argument in terms of like why why is
1:33:08
the vote? Why is the vote and the draft? Why are those two
1:33:12
issues inextricably intertwined? And it's because men had these civic responsibilities, says,
1:33:20
civic obligations, right, sometimes military obligations, and they could not say no.
1:33:27
Right, a boy over fourteen could be could be deputized essentially against his
1:33:32
will, right forcibly deputized and sent out to hunt down a freaking cattle rustler
1:33:41
or something, or a murder or something. Right Like if a man if
1:33:45
a man saw somebody committing a violent crime and didn't raise a hue and someone
1:33:49
was raising a hue and cry like there's somebody I'm being robbed. I'm being
1:33:55
rubbed, Right, if he didn't intervene, right, he could be prosecuted
1:34:00
for not intervening. There's a whole bunch of set of responsibilities that men had
1:34:06
and women never did, that women were never expected to have. And then
1:34:12
feminists will turn around and say that this was a time period that was oppressive
1:34:15
to women. And yet the men who put this stuff in place could have
1:34:20
easily said, no, you won't get this the vote without the corresponding responsibilities
1:34:29
to the state and to your fellow citizens. You have to do will chattel,
1:34:33
You have to do those things first before you're even considered for the vote,
1:34:38
like which is the deal that every other group of disenfranchised men got.
1:34:42
You had to show that you were willing to sacrifice your life for the state
1:34:47
that you wanted to say in period, that's it. And they did not
1:34:51
do that with women. So those those patriarchs, those those female oppressing patriarchs,
1:34:58
decided to give women the vote but not the responsibilities. How is that
1:35:05
oppression of women? How could they possibly be motivated by pressing women in that
1:35:10
case? They wouldn't. They could have easily said no, you're not getting
1:35:14
the vote, and and just by enforcing equality like that, they could have
1:35:19
just said that. Yeah, no, you're not getting the vote because you
1:35:21
haven't sacrificed like men. You're not willing to sacrifice. Right, But that's
1:35:28
the thing. Even even before men who were disenfranchised were considered to be enfranchised,
1:35:35
they had the sacrifice if they were agreement before you play, they paid
1:35:41
before they play. Every man who is who is part of a group that
1:35:45
was previously disenfranchised living today his ancestors had to pay before they played. In
1:35:50
other words, they had to lay down their lives before they were even considered
1:35:58
for the vote. But women they didn't have to. They didn't have to
1:36:02
lay down their lives before they were even considered for the vote. No,
1:36:08
yeah, no, and and and feminists will always counter that, will well,
1:36:12
they were giving birth to the next generation of soldiers, not by government
1:36:15
edict. No, there's no, there's no commie tatus like commi pregnatis like
1:36:20
yeah, no, there's there's no. There's no like Handmaid's Tale. Yeah,
1:36:29
okay, Brian was literally, but there's dystopian future that you never was
1:36:34
in the past and never will be. The dystopian future. The Handmaiden's tail
1:36:41
is literally what they would have to do to use to use that justification that
1:36:46
they give birth. You don't give birth by draft, you don't give birth
1:36:49
by conscription, you don't give birth without consent. Even in North Korea,
1:36:57
Brian was bringing this up. Kim Kim jill un, Kim Kim jong un
1:37:01
did, he made like a He did like a tear tear filled speech to
1:37:06
all the people, begging the women to please make babies because their population was
1:37:13
imploding, although not as much as South Korea. North Korea's doing better than
1:37:16
South Korea, but yeah, North Korea, the dictator had to ask please,
1:37:20
could you please make some babies? The god emperor on earth, in
1:37:26
any the world had to ask women beg them no way Handmaiden's tail is ever
1:37:34
going to happen. Ever, he would shown we as a species would rather
1:37:42
die than violate women's consent in this matter. That has to say something about
1:37:46
us. And and the fact that women keep harping on this illogical, unlikely
1:37:53
bullshit in order to extort compliance out of men is gross. Well, oh,
1:38:00
it's never happened ever in in the all of the millennia of human civilization,
1:38:06
and it's so it's never happened yet, and it's uh, it's highly
1:38:12
unlikely to ever happen, but it could happen. And because it could happen
1:38:20
something, because that justifies you know, reducing men down to ten percent of
1:38:28
the population, and and you know, having it so that women can sign
1:38:31
them out and rape them at well, yeah, and that's that's And if
1:38:36
and if you point out that the handmaiden's table is incredibly unlikely and shouldn't be
1:38:43
used to justify abusive men, somebody on Twitter will say that you're engaging in
1:38:49
the lesser you're lesser evilism. Oh god, all right, because it's because
1:38:56
because the handmaiden's table is the lesser evil, that that means you can't call
1:39:00
out the greater evil. Oh good lord. Okay, let's keep going.
1:39:04
All right, So back to the article that was conservative anti feminist women.
1:39:12
Trad wives. A subculture prevalent with conservative anti feminist thought is the tradwife short
1:39:16
for traditional wife or housewife community predominantly comprised of white heterosexual women that doesn't mean
1:39:24
anything who nostalgically interpret and advocate past traditional values, norms, and practices.
1:39:30
Key hallmarks of the movement are paramount devotion to the family, the observation of
1:39:34
traditional gender roles, pro patriarchy, pro life, and even a strong devotion
1:39:39
to Christianity. It is important to note, however, that the basic tenets,
1:39:44
concepts, and goals within the tradwife movement are interpreted differently by its adherents,
1:39:48
thus producing various iterations of misogynistic support and radical ideological thought among the subculture.
1:39:57
Iterations range from reserved wives who public we enjoy the tried wife homemaker lifestyle,
1:40:01
to far right thinkers that publicize their subjectives and political subjectivities and political ideologies
1:40:11
under the guise of a tried wife or an affiliate of the subculture. Okay,
1:40:15
so essentially they essentially they talk about their opinions and their experience. That's
1:40:19
what they mean by publicize their subjectivities and political ideologies. Yeah, but you
1:40:25
notice like now we're now we're now extremists are homemakers. You make make a
1:40:30
sandwich for anarchy, ladies, make the biggest, the most anti government act
1:40:36
you can do right now is to make a make a sandwich, yeah,
1:40:42
or a poor gross which I mean, I don't sell. What the difference
1:40:47
between conservative anti feminist women and trad wife is. I think they're trying to
1:40:50
create extra categories. There is a trad wife. It's but it's like an
1:40:56
esthetic thing like on TikTok. You know, they dress up like their nineteen
1:41:00
fifties housewives and they like bake cakes and stuff. Yeah, or I can't
1:41:04
remember, her name was like Estelle something, But it's like an esthetic and
1:41:10
yeah, they'll make a claim, but like there's no Ultimately, there's no
1:41:14
real difference between a trad what is it anti feminist conservative woman and a trad
1:41:20
wife except that tradwives are just doing an aesthetic thing. It's not it's like
1:41:25
literally just like a trend. It doesn't. I don't even know that it
1:41:28
necessarily reflects values. Well, you got to be careful as a woman.
1:41:31
You make sense, Yeah, you could just we're gonna get a sandwich,
1:41:36
all right, give me a thank give me a thank you for feminist,
1:41:40
for getting your right to vote. Otherwise, stop voting and go make my
1:41:43
hand sandwich. There is no Karen, go make yourwich. That that might
1:41:53
get you put on a list. Well, it's not, it's it's not.
1:41:57
Hello, it's oh brother, eh okay. Far right women scholars suggest
1:42:05
that the tradwife subculture overlapped with far right misogynistic communities. When women push authoritarian
1:42:13
ideological agendas, which are often I missed it a little bit masked through the
1:42:18
front of a hyper feminine esthetic within miraitarian ideological agendas, which are often masked
1:42:28
in a document where you are regarding women who choose to stay at home and
1:42:32
take care of their kids and their husband as potential extremists. This this,
1:42:39
you are the authoritarian ideological agenda, Like serious, yeah, yeah, you
1:42:45
got it that that whole scene. Are we the baddies? You are the
1:42:47
baddies, Hans, Are we the baddies? Noble Fan twenty one gave us
1:42:55
a dollar in Rumble Rumble Ranton says, gay cake lawsuit, baked that cake,
1:43:00
seize tradwife. Well wait, not like that. Don't Loan know a
1:43:04
trad wife bake the cake? That's terrible. That that opens up so many
1:43:11
questions. Is baking the cake progressive or terrorism if a woman does it?
1:43:15
Huh hmmm? Interesting all right. Within far right misogynistic communities, women promote
1:43:24
idealize gender binary roles and recruit both sexes and adjoining such spaces. Firstly,
1:43:30
these idealized general roles are promoted through suggestions that women represent figures of traditionalism and
1:43:36
white and again, they have to like impune, they have to impugne this
1:43:41
on people, because there's no proof that any of this is white per se,
1:43:45
but white purity whose purpose is to engage in child bearing, maternal caregiving
1:43:49
duties, and domestic labor, fulfilling their biological duty love. But I guess
1:43:56
that's also a note has labeled such women as shield made who normalize and shield
1:44:00
white supremacy with their delusions of domesticity, purity, and vulnerability. Don't you
1:44:08
think Muslims also have these attitudes, like I think Muslim women stand by their
1:44:13
men. Yeah, Hispanic and in fact, I would imagine that black people
1:44:17
from traditional cultures in Africa also have these attitudes. These are not white attitudes,
1:44:25
No, they're just but they're but they're trying to leave their Southeast Asia,
1:44:29
the conservative culture is there. Absolutely they're painting them as white because they
1:44:34
know it's a black category. So you see it and you see white,
1:44:38
and you're supposed to immediately have a negative reaction, and it works on their
1:44:44
people. I just I just am offended by their use of Viking terminology.
1:44:49
Yeah, right, shield maiden. I think shield Maid's kind of cool sounding,
1:44:57
so I would use it because I like it how it sounds. It's
1:45:00
what you're supposed to be is as a woman. Right, your husband's sick
1:45:06
with a fever, right, and the marauders come, you're supposed to pick
1:45:11
up the fucking shotgun. That's right, right, You're you're supposed to be
1:45:16
like Farmer Hoggett's wife in the movie Babe Pig in the City. Right,
1:45:21
he gets injured and you take that fucking pig on a adventure that sees you
1:45:29
through many trials and tribulations. You remember that movie, right, Yeah,
1:45:33
you know what I'm typically. I actually never saw a Babe in the City.
1:45:38
I saw the first one. You never saw a Pig in the City.
1:45:42
Oh my god. It's so good. It's so good because it basically
1:45:45
is like farmer Hoggett gets like horribly injured. He's supposed to take his pick
1:45:50
for like a big you know, media affair, something mediatory, okay,
1:45:56
tour, right, and uh and it's like a big opportunity, and and
1:46:01
then he he hurts himself, and so his wife has to do it.
1:46:06
And she's got to go with this pig on and she's never flown on a
1:46:11
plane before and uh and and they they go through this like series of incredible
1:46:18
misadventures and oh, it's just such a cute movie. It's Lindsay likes.
1:46:25
Lindsay likes cute movies. All streamers. Potential terrorism. Yeah, that sounds
1:46:30
like trad, radical trad wife terrorism. She was with pigs, he got
1:46:36
strip searched and it's not kosher. No, she got stripped at the freaking
1:46:44
airport, right, and and you know, but she did it. She
1:46:47
did it for her husband and her farm. Yeah, that sounds like that
1:46:50
sounds doing it for your husband, doing it for your father, doing it
1:46:54
for your farm, doing it for your film. That's that's that's hate speech,
1:46:57
Karen. Yeah, absolutely, man, you can I'm not listening.
1:47:00
But you are motivated by men. If you are motivated by caring about men,
1:47:05
you are a hateful person. You are find credit violation of the verbal
1:47:12
morales. Okay, such a good movie. Though, watch it. You
1:47:16
should watch I will. I'll watch it at some point. Okay, so
1:47:23
where was I? Matthias also notes I read that part also notes how far
1:47:28
right female figures such as lnach Lactif play on alt maternalism by framing the maternal
1:47:34
qualities women possess as well as their ambitions to quote, attract the best mate
1:47:40
possible and be protected and provided for until death end quote as innate natural desires.
1:47:46
Furthermore, such figures view and express concern over the alleged threat that societal
1:47:51
functioning, traditional womanhood, and national purity currently faces from modern day structures such
1:47:58
as multiculturalism, feminism, and homosexuality. Example showcasing such radical social conservatism include
1:48:04
supporting the restrictions of women's rights to vote based abortion and the outlawing of homosexuality.
1:48:12
As such, attentional focus is placed on critiquing selected groups such as feminists,
1:48:16
leftists, and immigrants, with rhetoric riddled in anger, disgust and criticism.
1:48:23
Yeah, but what if they are worthy of criticism? Like those things
1:48:26
are totally worthy of criticism. Muminism should be able to be criticized without anybody
1:48:30
being labeled and extremist, and immigration policy is not criticizing immigration policy is not
1:48:35
criticizing immigrants, And criticizing the left doesn't make you a terrorist. No.
1:48:42
And also this particular group is allied allied with another think tank. I think
1:48:50
it's a think tank tmca Ascer Institute, and I think that they are are
1:49:00
actually Can we just call them asshat institute. They are actually I'm pretty sure
1:49:08
that they are on a particular side on the Israeli Palestine. Yes, so
1:49:17
how are they going to square that particular circle? Because leftists are definitely on
1:49:24
one side that a lot of government institute or government organizations don't appreciate shall we
1:49:30
say, well, and that don't and that don't appreciate feminism shall we say?
1:49:39
Yeah? So, I mean it's like this is the thing is the
1:49:41
other The other issue with this is that the ideologies that this group purports to
1:49:46
represent are fractious. Fractious because I was thinking about when they were talking about
1:49:51
how men and women have different like there's a biological difference between the two,
1:49:57
Well, what about trans exclusionary radical feminists. What are you guys gonna say
1:50:01
about them? Right? Yeah, you know, there's so much fracture in
1:50:06
what they're presenting as a united front. And I'm like, yeah, you
1:50:11
don't, you really can't, You really can't make these sweeping assumptions that if
1:50:16
somebody says there's a biological difference between men and women, they are an extremist
1:50:20
potential terrorist, Because now you're implicating a whole bunch of people on the left
1:50:27
or who think they're on the left. You know, and depending on where
1:50:30
you fall on the Palestine Israeli conflict, you could be also implicating a whole
1:50:35
bunch of people on the left and a whole bunch of people on the left
1:50:40
who may be for one side or the other, but are also for conservative
1:50:45
actual a conservative lifestyle. Like honestly, both Palestine and Israel, no matter
1:50:54
which one you support, you're supporting people who are generally pro conservative lifestyles.
1:51:00
Yeah. But but but they're not because those are not Western countries. It's
1:51:04
it's America they hate. They just they just like criticize Israel by proxy,
1:51:10
Allison. So it's yes, there are traditional there are traditional cultures in Africa,
1:51:15
Asia, the Middle East. None of those matter because they're not America,
1:51:18
Canada or Europe. Those are the only places they hate and attack.
1:51:24
That's what it is. It comes out. And the thing is the reason
1:51:26
why I left his side with Palestine against Israel is because Israel is allied with
1:51:31
the US. So it's by proxy. It has nothing to do with whatever
1:51:34
Israel is about who is allying with who. I'm just saying that's why they
1:51:40
hate us. They just hate us. It's not. They don't. There's
1:51:44
no logic. They just hate America, they hate Canada, they hate England,
1:51:48
and they hate Europe. They just hate those places. We do have
1:51:53
to get get moving. So let's do it, all right, we have
1:51:56
five more minutes. And then so I got up periodically and going like this,
1:52:01
like I want to eight, let's not. I don't want him to
1:52:03
die. So I got a couple of super chats. We can do we
1:52:06
can do this again because I got it working pretty well. As for the
1:52:10
end, all right, all right, yeah, gone, yeah, all
1:52:15
right, all right, all right, So where was I? Oh yeah.
1:52:18
Secondly, as recruiters for far right movements, anti feminist rhetoric and the
1:52:23
support for misogynists thinking is evidenced by far right women claiming that society is controlled
1:52:29
by feminists pushing anti male agendas, denying men the opportunities to assert their natural
1:52:33
biological masculinity. Okay, where's the lie document? Yeah, this isn't.
1:52:40
This is a think tank that influenced government policy. That reflects other think tanks
1:52:45
that influence government policy that the government's listen to. That is regarding anybody who
1:52:49
is not feminist as an extremist potential terrorist threat. How can you be in
1:52:57
this situation and not recognize that feminism is controlling the institutions and defining anybody who
1:53:05
disagrees with it as an extremist or potential threat. Like you are doing this
1:53:13
right now. You are denying the thing that you are doing right this moment.
1:53:17
Your hand is in the cookies and you are saying I am not stealing
1:53:21
the cookies. Yes, you are right now. You are doing the thing
1:53:26
that you are saying you are not doing. You don't do yeah, yeah,
1:53:30
yeah, you don't have the power to do. Yes, Okay,
1:53:33
keep going, all right. I wanted to say that such rhetoric lures male
1:53:38
viewers into radicalization and engagement within far right space is due to the dissemination of
1:53:43
fringe ideas into mainstream spaces through mainstream online platforms such as YouTube and Instagram by
1:53:49
far right women, a tactic also used by trad wife influencers. Additionally,
1:53:55
cooperation between key thinkers is a parent through regular collaborations and the mutual hosting of
1:54:01
fellow far right female supporters across media platforms. And they do they do blog
1:54:08
casts together. But women are have no power, how could they possibly be
1:54:14
able to influence men. Oh, you have to you have to read the
1:54:16
next the next paragraphic okay. As such as such, far right female leaders
1:54:23
facilitate the propagation, cross pollination, sharing, and reinforcement of far right ideas
1:54:29
through their ability to softly frame their rhetoric and ideology to normalize and legitimize violent
1:54:34
action. Women have social power that we won't acknowledge, but they need to
1:54:40
stop to use a terrorism, yes, stochastic terrorism. But women have social
1:54:44
power that we refuse to acknowledge in our analysis of history. But we're acknowledging
1:54:48
it here so we can stop our opponents from using it. Yeah, ormale
1:54:54
opponents, women don't have sech don't have this power. But if they've used
1:54:58
this power against us, their tw okay, just do the first paragraph of
1:55:01
extreme misogyny. We gotta get oat, all right. All of the above
1:55:05
communities, in many cases, legitimize violence and measures of coercion against women,
1:55:11
and manifest an intense hostility towards symbols of women's empowerment and equality, feminist institutions,
1:55:17
and other social constructs that its members feel are threatening to masculinity. Taken
1:55:24
together, yeah, well, if you whatever. Taken together, we define
1:55:29
the above communities as ones which share an outlook of extreme misogyny. We acknowledge
1:55:33
that the misogyny, sexism, and hetero patriarchy expressed by these communities does not
1:55:41
operate in a vacuum, but rather builds upon and is inspired by pre existing
1:55:45
social and cultural structures that underpins mainstream society. In short, the misogyny expressed
1:55:49
by members of these communities is extreme, but not exceptional. Furthermore, a
1:55:55
failure to recognize the link between misogynistic violence as both a systemic and motivation act
1:56:00
of terrorism contributes to the normalization of misogyny. Consequently, our study accounts for
1:56:04
the prevalence of misogyny co existing in the form of quote everyday intimate terrorism end
1:56:11
quote, as well as spectacular violence. Okay, So this think tank that
1:56:16
influencedcular violence, tremendous violence, violence violence. Oh, it's tremendous, It's
1:56:27
tremendous, It's it's okayrotic. I just want to that this think tank influences
1:56:35
government policy to believe that the people that it can use the government apparatus against.
1:56:43
So this is this is a group of people that can that can compel
1:56:47
the government to start using its apparatus of coercive control against its targets. But
1:56:54
it's its targets that reflect the mainstream and institutional opinion. Do you get what
1:57:01
I'm saying. I wish, I wish I could get like an analogy.
1:57:04
It's like, well, they're they're the underdogs who control everything, the underdogs
1:57:11
who can control the discourse to the point where they can make their opponents.
1:57:15
They can say to the government, you need to start pros persecuting our opponents,
1:57:20
and the government's like, okay, sure, we'll start. We'll start
1:57:24
defining them as terrorists. We'll start start with the housewives, and then we'll
1:57:30
go from there. Yeah, exactly. So they want the scene as the
1:57:34
underdog. Meanwhile they are directing government initiatives of coercive control against people who disagree
1:57:44
with them. That is astounding. That is astounding. They're like, I'm
1:57:48
sorry, but you are the ones using the cultural structures that it's not astounding,
1:57:57
it's just typical. Yes, yeah, really, why does it shock
1:58:02
anybody? Okay, Karen, I think we can do our super chows and
1:58:06
you can go and and feed your feed your husband. All right, I
1:58:10
don't, I don't. This is this is basically the climax of the insanity.
1:58:15
All right, well there gas This entire document is gaslighting. Of course,
1:58:18
it is what they do. They do, so all right, gaslighting
1:58:24
and projecting. Mm hmmm, all right, Karen confessional. I'm I'm out
1:58:30
of here. Uh and I'll see you, I guess on Fridays. Yeah,
1:58:33
all right, we'll do this again the same way. Okay, same
1:58:38
way. I'll get you the link however, you got it, same way,
1:58:42
same way skype. Okay, all right, Allison can get it to
1:58:45
me over. Yeah, I can do that, all right, all right,
1:58:49
bye care bye. All right, so super chats and whatnot, right,
1:58:56
and yeah, yeah, I got no, I've already done that.
1:59:00
I have it pre set up, so okay, So I got a rumble,
1:59:06
rant I think I know I already read the rumble. Rant I got
1:59:10
a super chat from albert atea retro for two dollars Canadian. He says a
1:59:14
man branded a coward might as well leave town, and then he gives another
1:59:17
super chat for ten dollars. It's not displaying, but that's what couch just
1:59:23
read it. You'd see men in camps for breeding before women, if for
1:59:28
no other reason, then it's not conduct conductive to put women in a stressful
1:59:33
situation, infertile men would hunt and guard them in exchange for sex. Why
1:59:39
don't you think that's what the most radical like lesbian separatists wanted, right,
1:59:44
They like want to live on an island and it's just women and the men
1:59:47
just kind of like make things work for them. Like yeah, that's I
1:59:53
mean, I legit think that's what the lesbian separatists of the sixties wanted.
1:59:59
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