Latest / The One Oʻahu Podcast with Mayor Rick Blangiardi / Members of the NYFD and South Carolina State Fire on providing incident management assistance on O'ahu
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- 0:15Welcome to the One Oahu podcast.
- 0:16I'm your host, Brandi Higa, and this week we're joined by a very special guest.
- 0:20Over the last few weeks, we've been dealing with Kona low response recovery.
- 0:26But we haven't done it alone.
- 0:27Joining me this week is Mike Burke, incident commander with the NYFD IMT.
- 0:33And, Mike, for those who aren't familiar.
- 0:36What is in incident management team?
- 0:38What exactly do you folks do?
- 0:40Hi Brandi, an incident management team is a really a group of professionals
- 0:45that go to areas of the country where, you know, either natural disasters,
- 0:49long term events happen and really just help organize the effort.
- 0:54So we came to Hawaii with 14 people.
- 0:57We joined with the Honolulu Incident Management team,
- 1:01and we were out in Waialua, and,
- 1:05we were helping with the debris management.
- 1:07You know, you saw all the streets were, you know, between the mud and the
- 1:11the debris and everything that, you know, people had to take out of their homes.
- 1:15It was it was quite a mess.
- 1:16So we helped organize the National Guard, DFM
- 1:22the volunteers, you know, to kind of organize,
- 1:25you know, how to get rid of all of that debris, get people back in their houses.
- 1:29So we travel around and we bring kind of a structure.
- 1:32So we show up, you know, you know, I'm the incident commander.
- 1:35We bring a public information officer, a liaison officer, safety officer,
- 1:39and then people from operations who kind of directed
- 1:43the troops on the ground logistics, who, you know, really help support them with
- 1:47with either tools or food or know lodging, planning.
- 1:52You kind of documents it. Yeah.
- 1:53And financial keeps track of all the costs.
- 1:56And so what was the genesis of the IMT and why does it
- 2:00why is it a function of the New York Fire Department.
- 2:03So incident management teams have been around for a long time.
- 2:06And they were they were mainly a wildland wildland fire function.
- 2:10After 911,
- 2:12New York found itself in its hardest day and an incident management team
- 2:16from the southwest, the wildland team came to New York and tried to help.
- 2:22They found a little resistance in New York.
- 2:24We thought we were in a situation where we can handle anything,
- 2:26you know, with the biggest, baddest fire department in the world.
- 2:29And, it took a little while
- 2:31to figure out that, you know, everybody needs help sometimes.
- 2:34So they started solving problems for us.
- 2:35And after that event, the New York City Fire Department really decided that,
- 2:39you know, we needed to form one of these teams for ourselves.
- 2:41So, you know, we we started initially to locally,
- 2:45and now 25 years later, we're, you know, we're here in Hawaii,
- 2:48you know, offering help the other way.
- 2:50And so you've dealt with disasters of all types.
- 2:55How does this compare?
- 2:57This is just as bad as a lot of the worst ones
- 3:00we've been to, we've been to in the last really few years.
- 3:03North Carolina had severe flooding.
- 3:05Florida, due to a couple of hurricanes had had flooding.
- 3:09In 2012, it was New York City
- 3:13that had severe flooding after Superstorm Sandy.
- 3:16And so we've experienced a lot of the same things.
- 3:18And experienced a lot of the solutions that help us get through it.
- 3:23And so how were we able to put those into practice, like
- 3:25what kind of things worked here in Hawaii
- 3:26that have worked in New York and places in the South or counties like that?
- 3:30So really just coming up with the system to to make sure
- 3:33we're going about solving the problem in a, in an organized way and,
- 3:38you know, the incident command system is, is what we use.
- 3:41And the system we use in New York is the same system that they use
- 3:45in Texas, is the same system they use in Hawaii.
- 3:47So that's how we were able to come and work so seamlessly with with the team
- 3:51from Hawaii. Right.
- 3:52Were there
- 3:53certain challenges that you saw here that you haven't seen anywhere else?
- 3:56You know, we are an island in the middle of the Pacific.
- 3:58So the being on an island is definitely the biggest challenge.
- 4:02So, you know, in in New York, in Florida, in North Carolina,
- 4:07you have a hurricane there.
- 4:08If I drive two hours away, I can get anything I want immediately.
- 4:12It's not so easy here.
- 4:14You know,
- 4:14you have to work with what you've got for a for a while until help arrives.
- 4:18So that's definitely the biggest challenge.
- 4:20But I also feel like it's part of your biggest strength is the
- 4:24the sense of community and the resilience of of the communities is impressive.
- 4:29It was we said it from the beginning of the day
- 4:31we got here is, you know, how impressive it is
- 4:33that people are really coming together to take care of things themselves.
- 4:36And what's your best advice for residents and even visitors, really,
- 4:40as you prepare for the next
- 4:41major storm, major natural disaster, any kind of emergencies like that?
- 4:45I mean, it's always,
- 4:46you know, preparing yourselves, having a plan in case of floods
- 4:50or emergencies, especially if, you know, if you live in an area, you know, prone
- 4:53to flooding, you know, strengthening your homes, you know, taking care of areas
- 4:58around your property to if you have to slope water away in in those cases. But
- 5:03just generally, you know, having a plan for you and your family.
- 5:06And that same goes for tourists.
- 5:09When you get here, you know how to account for each other.
- 5:11And I know that you did have a meeting with the mayor.
- 5:15If you could share, you know, kind of what his words were to you folks.
- 5:18And just just what happened in that meeting with mayor?
- 5:21The mayor was very thankful.
- 5:22He's he's very gracious. He's very personable.
- 5:24He is welcome to visit us in he visit us up, at our incident command post.
- 5:30And coming here to visit him has been has been great.
- 5:32He expressed his gratitude to us,
- 5:35on behalf of himself, on behalf of the community.
- 5:38And we, you know, we just let him know that,
- 5:40you know, we were very happy to be here.
- 5:41And it's us paying forward.
- 5:43Well, you know, when people helped us.
- 5:44What got you into this?
- 5:46Because now you're sent to places and you see people on their worst days.
- 5:50Why do you run towards that?
- 5:52And what I guess keeps that drive going for you?
- 5:54I guess that's just the nature of of who we are in the, in the fire service.
- 5:59But in any of the police service, the emergency services,
- 6:03I don't know if you want to
- 6:04call it a calling, a sense of duty, but
- 6:07I think just within that the,
- 6:09the first responder community,
- 6:11there's a sense of trust and duty.
- 6:13And even though you come to places on their worst day,
- 6:16it makes you feel good that you maybe did a little bit to help.
- 6:19And as our community begins to rebuild after this
- 6:22latest storm, you've seen a lot of disaster.
- 6:25What works for you?
- 6:27You know, maybe it's that song that's immediate, like that snapping clear
- 6:30or what works for you to kind of get you back to center.
- 6:33For me, it's humor.
- 6:34If you've if you've hung around with first responders, we have, you know,
- 6:39unique sense of humor.
- 6:41So that's what worked for us.
- 6:42I mean, some people do music, some people do yoga.
- 6:46For me, it's humor.
- 6:49Well, Mike, thanks so much for your time.
- 6:50Is there anything that we missed?
- 6:52I don't think so.
- 6:53Just thank you very much for having us.
- 6:55I want to thank the mayor.
- 6:57The Honolulu incident management team, the folks in emergency management,
- 7:00everybody was very welcoming, and it was great to work with them.
- 7:03Well, Mike, thanks so much for your time.
- 7:05Thank you very much.
- 7:07And like I mentioned, it wasn't just the New York Fire Department
- 7:10here on Oahu to assist following those Kona Loa storms.
- 7:13We're also catching up with our partners from South Carolina State Fire
- 7:17Chief Matt Rhoton and Chief Jon Jones.
- 7:20Sorry, when I say that I think the UFC fighter, I'm sure you get that a lot.
- 7:24But Chief Matt, if we can start with you,
- 7:27tell us your title and exactly what your team was doing here on Oahu.
- 7:31So my normal day jobs.
- 7:33I'm, deputy chief of operations for the city of North Charleston Fire Department.
- 7:37Here on the team, I work in the operations section.
- 7:39And so what does that mean, exactly?
- 7:41So coordinating resources
- 7:44and the strategic plan, to help things move forward.
- 7:48Throughout the incident.
- 7:50And Chief Jones, same thing.
- 7:51If you could tell us a little bit about yourself and kind of explain,
- 7:55the role that your team played here on Oahu.
- 7:56Sure.
- 7:57So, Jonathan Jones, my, my regular job is, on the South
- 8:01Carolina state fire marshal, day in and day out and,
- 8:07on the team,
- 8:07I serve as the team leader, the incident commander for our team
- 8:11or one of the incident commanders for our team.
- 8:13And, so, it really is, kind of the
- 8:17the connection to the agency administrator or the local incident commander.
- 8:21And really making sure
- 8:24that we have clear understanding of expectations of what,
- 8:28what the role of our team is here and then making sure
- 8:31that those expectations are met and executed.
- 8:34And, as things adapt and change as they, as they did during this event,
- 8:39going from recovery to response, back to recovery, back to response, ensuring
- 8:44that that our team, is dynamic and able to flex with whatever the situation is.
- 8:50And then we continue to meet the expectations of the jurisdiction.
- 8:53We're here to help.
- 8:54And so with that said, what has been the role of your team
- 8:57here over the past few weeks?
- 8:58So we were, we were we were brought in primarily
- 9:02to support the, Oahu FC,
- 9:05Honolulu, Department Emergency Management team.
- 9:09Who'd already been at this for several weeks ahead of us being requested.
- 9:14And so, really brought in as, an emergency operation
- 9:18support team or emergency operations center support team,
- 9:23to integrate with the team that was already here.
- 9:26And, to be able to provide them kind of some bench
- 9:30depth to allow them to have, an opportunity to rest and reset,
- 9:35because this is going to continue to be a long duration, long term recovery,
- 9:39not to mention the additional storms that came in behind, Kona one and Kona
- 9:44two that brought additional flooding and had to ramp up reopened shelters.
- 9:50Go back into the response phase.
- 9:52So more than anything, we really are a force multiplier
- 9:55brought in to be a force multiplier for the Honolulu incident manager,
- 10:00Honolulu emergency Management team.
- 10:02And also to give,
- 10:05some opportunities to, to coach and mentor, to build relationships and,
- 10:11ensure that we're able to,
- 10:14not just, provide
- 10:17bench depth, but then ultimately support them and give them,
- 10:21just the capacity to take on
- 10:23all the different aspects of, of of a dual recovery and response mission.
- 10:27It's interesting to me, at least, that this falls under
- 10:30the responsibility of fire departments elsewhere in other counties.
- 10:33I know that you guys, you know, are very versed in in getting rid of flood water,
- 10:37helping with debris removal, standing up shelters, mass care things like that.
- 10:41But, Chief Matt, if you can kind of explain why
- 10:43that function falls under the fire department,
- 10:46why fire departments have historically helped with things like this.
- 10:50Sure.
- 10:50I think the a lot of our training is focused on just incident management.
- 10:54And as Chief Jones said, is really our effort in this was support.
- 10:58And, just again, being able to provide some depth and, and integrate in
- 11:01a system that
- 11:03both agencies and sets are using,
- 11:06speaking the same language when it comes to, to the running through an incident.
- 11:11And again, just kind of working side by side
- 11:13and providing that opportunity to provide some relief and know that
- 11:18for the rest period that things are going to continue
- 11:20moving forward in the way that they already are.
- 11:21Right, super valuable.
- 11:23And for you personally,
- 11:24what kind of disasters have prepared you for the one
- 11:26that you currently face here on Oahu the past few weeks?
- 11:29Sure, in our state we experience a little bit of everything
- 11:31a short of avalanches and volcanoes.
- 11:35So yeah, we have every risk and we've dealt
- 11:37with flooding and wildfires and things like that.
- 11:40So specifically this with flooding and dealing with recovery.
- 11:43That's been a good,
- 11:45opportunity
- 11:45to to have some of those things, having learned lessons and those events,
- 11:50to carry forward and provide maybe a little bit unique perspective
- 11:53to working through some of those events.
- 11:54Yeah. Chief Jonathan, what about what about you?
- 11:57Yeah.
- 11:58Being again, from the same state and honestly working on
- 12:01a lot of the same, disasters.
- 12:04I think of in when I was before becoming state fire marshal,
- 12:08when I was at the local fire department, I held the same,
- 12:12position, deputy chief of operations for my local fire department.
- 12:15And, we dealt with what South Carolina knows is the thousand year flood,
- 12:19where we, my community got, 28in of rain in, less than 12 hours.
- 12:25And so flooding is no stranger to us.
- 12:28Flooding is is is different, I think, here on the island, in a lot of ways
- 12:33than it is for us, because our mountains are four hours away from the ocean.
- 12:39And so,
- 12:40if the flooding
- 12:42takes on, a little bit different,
- 12:46dynamic in that we have flash flooding
- 12:48and then we have riverine flooding, we have multiple phases of flooding.
- 12:53And then that flooding works its way from the mountains, you know, in
- 12:56what we call the upstate all the way down to the ocean until it drains.
- 13:01So the the dynamics of flooding is always different
- 13:04based on the terrain and topography and where you are.
- 13:07But, the nature of flooding events is, is pretty similar,
- 13:11regardless of where you are.
- 13:13And so between hurricanes and, and,
- 13:17you know, significant flooding events and those sorts of things,
- 13:20as well as our role at the state is in,
- 13:26the emergency support functions for firefighting and search and rescue.
- 13:29So that's our responsibility is to manage and coordinate statewide.
- 13:34And so we're used to working in an emergency operations center setting, which,
- 13:40and coordinating with resource request and,
- 13:43and those sorts of things that I think kind of positioned
- 13:46us to be able to fold in pretty well with, Department
- 13:50of Emergency Management here in the emergency operations center staff.
- 13:54With that said, and anyone can take this, but you did mention, you know,
- 13:57if the mountain is that close to the ocean, right?
- 14:01What kind of unique challenges is that pose that you
- 14:03maybe you haven't seen elsewhere in other counties?
- 14:05Yeah.
- 14:05I mean, it's, it really just compresses the problems
- 14:09that we're used to seeing in a short in a very small landmass.
- 14:12And so, where,
- 14:15where secondary flooding and riverine flooding for us
- 14:18may be days or weeks after the initial rainfall and flash flooding.
- 14:23By the time it it makes its way through our river systems.
- 14:27You don't have the time to react.
- 14:29Here, the way that we have the time to react to secondary and riverine
- 14:32flooding, your flooding is going to happen within hours.
- 14:37In terms of the streams rising and ultimately
- 14:40it's all got to make its way out to the Pacific.
- 14:43And so,
- 14:44the, the
- 14:45time frame for decision making and preparation is much more compressed
- 14:49just because of the, the topography and how,
- 14:53close the, the mountains are to, to the sea, to the ocean.
- 14:57So I would say that's probably the major difference.
- 15:00I mean, the, the low lying areas, the the flooding has very similar
- 15:06characteristics to what we're used to in our low lying areas of the state.
- 15:09But I would say the proximity, of the mountains and, and the
- 15:15I would say just in general, the sloped terrain to, to the low
- 15:19lying areas in the ocean compresses the time to make decisions
- 15:23and react to, to what's the significant rainfall.
- 15:27All right.
- 15:27Anything to add?
- 15:28I agree, I think that was the challenge.
- 15:30And asking questions of what other influences from that event.
- 15:33So in a very short amount of time you're dealing with the rainfall flooding.
- 15:37But then potential mudslides and other things like that.
- 15:42And then very quickly behind that, water coming down,
- 15:46from the mountains to just further impact.
- 15:49And so a lot of very quick decision making and coming what's next
- 15:53and trying to be predictive and get back ahead of whatever's happening.
- 15:56Yeah.
- 15:57So what would be your advice
- 15:58to Oahu residents and really visitors as well as we prepare.
- 16:02Because it's not a matter of of if but when for the next storm,
- 16:06the next major disaster or anything like that.
- 16:09I think it's following the lead
- 16:10of your local Department of Emergency management.
- 16:13When they're talking preparedness messages and sharing the information
- 16:16about being ready and, and their warnings, signing up for the alerts,
- 16:19those are all key things as they continue to publish information
- 16:22throughout the year where it's not quite the
- 16:24the season is just that general message of staying ready.
- 16:28Yeah. Anything to add?
- 16:29Yeah, you know, readiness and and having your own plan, is important.
- 16:35You know, whether, whether that's in, in response,
- 16:39in preparation for flooding for, you know, fire,
- 16:43always being prepared and having your plan ready, knowing if an evacuation
- 16:48order is given, where you're going to go, how are you going to get there?
- 16:52Having an alternate,
- 16:54travel plan because, you know, one one thing about,
- 16:57we realize being on the island is,
- 17:00yeah, one road goes out and you've got an area that's isolated.
- 17:03So having an alternative plan to what your primary plan is,
- 17:08but heeding the
- 17:09the the warnings and the advice of those that, are in emergency management
- 17:14and in these leadership roles to ensure that,
- 17:18you're paying attention, you're,
- 17:20you're alerted to the problems ahead of,
- 17:24to give yourself time to react.
- 17:27You know, one of the main focus is, has been early warning to give
- 17:31give the public time to react and getting that messaging out there.
- 17:34So paying attention and being prepared and having your own plan, and then,
- 17:40you know, one thing that really has, struck with me and stuck with me,
- 17:45is the nature of,
- 17:48the citizens to just take care of each other.
- 17:51And so, you know, where,
- 17:54you know, maybe someone who's elderly or has trouble getting around
- 17:57or whatever may have problems getting out on their own,
- 18:00you know, where they are in your community.
- 18:02You know, those family members is being someone who checks on others
- 18:06and and that's one thing we learned about, you, Ohana, right?
- 18:10You're your family, and you're tied to to each other and to the community is,
- 18:15it it's a personal responsibility not just to take care
- 18:18and prepare yourself, but to take care of, prepare for others.
- 18:21And so that I think that would be my advice.
- 18:24And I want to know for you personally
- 18:27what drew you to this to to fire service
- 18:29and more particularly incident management, because it is a profession.
- 18:32When you see communities
- 18:33and individuals on their very worst day, but incident management in particular,
- 18:38you're seeing them in the situation and then you're being pulled
- 18:41from your home for weeks, you know, maybe months.
- 18:44I mean, I think we're all community.
- 18:46It's not this isn't where I live.
- 18:47But, I'm leaving here with, relationships and friendships.
- 18:52And, I mean, truthfully, family.
- 18:54This it's not where I live, but I do feel like, it's community.
- 18:59And so, I think that's
- 19:01one of the things that drew me to public service in general was,
- 19:06you know, a desire to
- 19:10be part of something bigger than myself.
- 19:13I'm particularly drawn
- 19:15to incident management because,
- 19:18like being able to,
- 19:21plan and bring order to chaos.
- 19:23And we talk about structure to uncertainty.
- 19:26But, I mean, really, it's
- 19:27making sure that the people that need help get help when they need it.
- 19:31And, you know, it's a humbling.
- 19:34We talk about this on our team.
- 19:38It's really humbling to remember that,
- 19:42we end up doing the things that we do.
- 19:44We end up being deployed here to Hawaii because people are having a bad day.
- 19:50I mean, and so our,
- 19:53our opportunity to provide service comes on the back of other people's suffering.
- 19:57And so, we none of us, we we don't take that lightly.
- 20:01We're like, we realize that,
- 20:03you know, we're deployed to Hawaii, but we're here because people need help.
- 20:08And so it for it really forges us
- 20:12to make sure that we're committed to providing help first.
- 20:15And foremost, and doing whatever it takes
- 20:17to provide support to the people of Honolulu people, the people of Oahu,
- 20:23and that
- 20:23that's always something that we keep in, in our minds is that, that we're here
- 20:27to, to relieve suffering, to help people, to get,
- 20:31you know, one of the most impactful things
- 20:34that that some of our team members got to do is be directly involved
- 20:37in a community assistance center, directly providing handing water,
- 20:42diapers and all those kinds of things to people who,
- 20:46you know, not only didn't, didn't have the supplies,
- 20:49but in some cases had no where to take them, had nowhere to go.
- 20:52They lost their home.
- 20:54And so that's, that's really humbling
- 20:57and really why we do what we do, in my opinion.
- 21:02No, I agree, I think the opportunity
- 21:04initially to serve and that's the and you know, back
- 21:08as young and firefighting, there's obviously little excitement.
- 21:11But progressing through the opportunity to serve and
- 21:15even more so,
- 21:17in our area experiencing the disasters we have receiving help.
- 21:20And so this is being an opportunity to again, further
- 21:25offer help to an area that may need it and what little bit we can do.
- 21:28And back up, folks, again in a time of need.
- 21:32That was kind of the tactical, help that you provided.
- 21:36But I want to ask you, you know, sometimes as the community rebuilds, right.
- 21:39This next step, it's not always easy to find joy and energy to bounce back.
- 21:44So for you, after all this destruction and loss
- 21:47that you've seen throughout your career, how do you navigate that?
- 21:50How do you get back to center?
- 21:51What's an easy way for you to bounce back
- 21:54from? It's just downtime.
- 21:56Again, reflection and,
- 21:59spending time out.
- 22:01I really don't have a great outlet.
- 22:02Now what do you do?
- 22:04I mean, do you listen to music?
- 22:06Do you meditate?
- 22:07What what does this downtime consist of?
- 22:11It's a little bit of everything.
- 22:12It's just really just a calm and quiet.
- 22:16Yeah, I wish I could say I was balanced.
- 22:20Yeah.
- 22:21From,
- 22:22you know, you know, I think for, for me,
- 22:28I'm just going to be honest.
- 22:29I mean, reentry from a deployment is really tough for me.
- 22:32It's hard for me to get back to the day to day work when you.
- 22:38And when you feel like you've been involved in something
- 22:41that's having so much impact.
- 22:43And so, you know, going back to our day to day where I wouldn't say
- 22:47we have impact at work, but it's it's maybe not as palpable.
- 22:52It's not as immediate or obvious.
- 22:55And so, for me, reentry
- 22:57back into, normal life from a, coming from a deployment is really, really tough.
- 23:02It's really tough.
- 23:04So, I wish I could say I have a great outlet,
- 23:07but honestly, for me, it's like just,
- 23:12doing it ever again.
- 23:13Yeah.
- 23:14But, and preparing, I mean, for, we,
- 23:18we learned so many things, and we've talked about this, we,
- 23:21we learned so many things from each deployment
- 23:24that I think makes us individually and as a team better.
- 23:27And so going back and,
- 23:30kind of putting those things together and how,
- 23:33how do we, how are we better on our next deployment.
- 23:37Are really the things that, that, that drive me.
- 23:39I have a very hard time turning it off.
- 23:42I really hard time turn it off. So,
- 23:45Yeah, it's, I wish I had,
- 23:48I don't know what downtime it's like.
- 23:50Not a great case for that.
- 23:52Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for your time.
- 23:54Is there anything that we missed or any final words?
- 23:56Yeah, I, I don't think so.
- 23:58I mean, you're again, it's what's, what's really just been
- 24:02evident to me is the sense of community within,
- 24:07within the residents here.
- 24:08And, we went to,
- 24:12a community meeting,
- 24:14the other night and listening, we sat at a table and listened to,
- 24:19how everyone was talking about how we needed
- 24:22to take care of each other than they need you to take care of each other.
- 24:25It was really, really eye opening to me.
- 24:28How, connected.
- 24:32How connected everyone is to each other and to the land.
- 24:35And, I think that just speaks to the culture here.
- 24:38It's really something that, that that sticks with me.
- 24:43and just,
- 24:44just a great, great experience for us.
- 24:49I agree, it coming from a place I feel like has a good sense of community.
- 24:54This is incredibly strong.
- 24:56I've never seen anything like it to have requests come in
- 24:59and know that they were being taken care of even before you had a chance
- 25:03to do anything community driven.
- 25:06That was that was quite impressive to see.
- 25:09So many things were done.
- 25:11Well ahead of when we got here, again, it was just the opportunity
- 25:15to kind of slide right in that and keep it moving.
- 25:19And so seeing that, I think was a pretty incredible take away.
- 25:23Well, thank you all for your time. Thank you.
- 25:25And I know I speak on behalf of a lot of folks here,
- 25:28on behalf of the entire city and county of one of the we're so grateful
- 25:31that you are here.
- 25:32And again, for the latest storm information, including resources
- 25:35on relief and recovery, you can head over any time to one O'ahu dot org.
- 25:39Mahalo for listening. And until next time, Aloha.