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Colorado's Ridiculous, Disturbingly Corrupt 1904 Election, Part One: Let's Jump Off The Train · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Max the Governor, Williams the Governator.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sinister, sinister.
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  Speaker 3: I got I got a friend. His name's Davis.
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  Speaker 4: He's like a real pretty southern guy and uh, he's
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  Speaker 4: really like he's like a kind of a stickler, and
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  Speaker 4: so we think him to calling him the governor.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I thought you were gonna say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's a real psychopath. Oh he is that he is
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  Speaker 2: that too, okay, fair enough?
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  Speaker 1: I like the uh. I love British slang, especially the
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  Speaker 1: kind of affectionate stuff. When people say governor, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's so cool. And also when people say the first
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  Speaker 1: time I was in England went through customs, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you guys, this dude to customs absolutely
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  Speaker 1: charmed me because he called me squire.
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  Speaker 2: We love squire. That's a very cockney thing, almost like governor.
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  Speaker 2: There's an episode of our character on The Mighty Boosh
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  Speaker 2: played by Noel Fielding who's got like a freaking like
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  Speaker 2: meant for an eye. It's like a like a life's
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  Speaker 2: like a lifesaver mint, and he's always calling people's squire
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  Speaker 2: and eating jelly deals, you know, and like he's all
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  Speaker 2: stab you in the oil with a screwdriw a squire,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. Yeah, that's all I got.
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  Speaker 4: I was actually working on research for a future episode
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  Speaker 4: that I'll leave untitled for now, but I went across
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  Speaker 4: this guy named Samuel L.
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  Speaker 2: Governor.
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  Speaker 4: He was the nephew of James Rowe, who was what
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  Speaker 4: the fifth president of American history, and so he had
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  Speaker 4: position a private secretary to the president. He also married
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  Speaker 4: James Monroe's daughter, who if you remember, this is Jans
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  Speaker 4: Monroe's nephew. So yeah, Mary's first cousin.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, then I think that spoiler alert for the
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  Speaker 2: topic that you're.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, everybody act surprised. I act surprised that I'm
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  Speaker 1: Ben and you are Noel Brown. Yeah, we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: what's interesting about Monroe is there is a shade of
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  Speaker 1: nepotism there, something that people might call a bit corrupt.
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  Speaker 1: At we taught, you know, I think we do a
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  Speaker 1: good job on all our shows of being even handed
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  Speaker 1: in these divided political times, but most people can agree.
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  Speaker 1: Elections can go sideways pretty easily, right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, especially like in the olden times. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hell, who am I kidding? In the modern
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  Speaker 2: times it's just as just as rife, you know, with problems.
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  Speaker 2: But in the olden days before you if the very
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  Speaker 2: least had like the news, you know, and like some
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  Speaker 2: form of oversight to these elections, that wasn't just like
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  Speaker 2: a person standing there with a with a clipboard. Lots
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  Speaker 2: of opportunities to get up to all kinds of shenanaganry.
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  Speaker 2: We recently did an episode on Stuff that I Don't
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  Speaker 2: want you to know about Edgar Allan Poe. One of
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  Speaker 2: the theories surrounding his untimely death was that he was
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  Speaker 2: swept up in a practice called cooping. I want to
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  Speaker 2: tell us about cooping. Then it is wild?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cooping? Okay, So cooping is the answer to every
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  Speaker 1: local corrupt political official or campaign member who says I
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  Speaker 1: need all these votes and I don't have enough people.
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  Speaker 1: So what I should do is get people really drunk
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  Speaker 1: to the point of alcohol poisoning and kidnap them, force
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  Speaker 1: them into these rooms, and then make them change costumes
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  Speaker 1: and vote repeatedly, and then throw this wig. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 1: was literally a whig folks, and then throw them into
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  Speaker 1: the gutter when they are physically incapable of walking to
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  Speaker 1: the pole the next time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened, y'all. And in fact, I'm almost positive
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  Speaker 2: we did do an episode about that in on Ridiculous History,
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  Speaker 2: or at least one where that came up. But just
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  Speaker 2: as a little primer in terms of the depths of
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  Speaker 2: corruption that the early politics in America and how most
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  Speaker 2: other countries sank. Now, America is pretty unique in its awfulness,
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  Speaker 2: I would say in this regard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's like an
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  Speaker 1: apple origeous thing maybe, but there's still both produce. Countries
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  Speaker 1: find ways to be corrupt, and today's story is about
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  Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt of all the corrupt elections
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  Speaker 1: in US history up to the presence, which is saying
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  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's saying a whole lot. And just to add, like
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  Speaker 2: when I say, you know, America is uniquely awful, I
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  Speaker 2: guess my caveat is that we purport to have this
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  Speaker 2: thing called democracy. At least other countries they're open about Now,
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  Speaker 2: we're not a democracy, you do what I say, We're dictatorships.
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't, you know, do what I say,
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  Speaker 2: then you're done. So in this country, we'd like to
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  Speaker 2: kind of dance around it and play a little pretend
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  Speaker 2: and that these things are fair and equitable. And as
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  Speaker 2: the election of nineteen oh four in Colorado will show,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably worse than you think.
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  Speaker 1: This is also our Colorado episode. We're doing it. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing it.
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  Speaker 2: We are sus. John would be proud, I know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Hope, so I hope he writes this back. So Colorado
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  Speaker 1: had a gubernatorial election in nineteen oh four, and the
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  Speaker 1: whole state went into an uproar on this. I actually
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe we get right into the details without
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  Speaker 1: spoiling it too much, because this is sort of a
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  Speaker 1: and then guess what and then guess what kind of story?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh? Yeah? First of all, can
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  Speaker 2: I just say that the word gubernatorial just makes me
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  Speaker 2: giggle every time because it just it leads so hard
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  Speaker 2: on the goober. You know, it really feels like an
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  Speaker 2: insult the goober. So why don't we start at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: as Arim would say, begin the begin this story requires
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  Speaker 2: us to take a look at that incumbent governor, Republican
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  Speaker 2: James H. Peabody already a bit of a controversial figure.
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  Speaker 2: He was not a friend of the working class. Let
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  Speaker 2: us say, the time when he was in office was
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  Speaker 2: just plagued with clashes with you know, working folks, literally
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  Speaker 2: like blue collar working folks, white miners, for example, specifically strikes,
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  Speaker 2: strike breaking on his part, just literally sending in the thugs,
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  Speaker 2: with the billy clubs and the truncheons to just beat
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  Speaker 2: these folks into working again, because that's how you get
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  Speaker 2: through to people when you're dreaming poorly in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Just beat him up some.
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  Speaker 1: More until moralem proves. It's weird because past governors before
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  Speaker 1: our pal Peabody had tried to side with the working class.
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  Speaker 1: They knew there was a huge voting block there, even
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  Speaker 1: if you don't want to call them a paragons of ethics.
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  Speaker 1: Peabody instead said, no, we're going to show them what's
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  Speaker 1: what we are sending in the state militia. We're cracking down.
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  Speaker 1: He was the guy who started something called the Colorado
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  Speaker 1: Labor Wars, and he one officer in the state militia
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  Speaker 1: famously said they want habis corpus, we'll give them post mortems.
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  Speaker 2: And hebas corbus, meaning obviously, what does it present the
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  Speaker 2: body like you have the body? You have the body.
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  Speaker 2: So this is like a very grim play on words,
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  Speaker 2: basically say, oh, you want bodies, we'll stack them up
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  Speaker 2: for you of your own people exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And this, as you might have med, struck some folks
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  Speaker 1: in Colorado as a negative in terms of governorship. So
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  Speaker 1: this gubernatorial it is a hilarious word. This gubernatorial election
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  Speaker 1: is coming up. Peabody's got an opponent on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the political aisle, a Democrat named Alva Adams.
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  Speaker 1: You don't really hear the word the name Alva too often. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think i've ever met at Alva.
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  Speaker 2: Classic old lady name, No offense to any old ladies
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  Speaker 2: out there. Alma is definitely a variation of Alva. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen them before either, but that's what it
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  Speaker 2: makes me think of a sweet little old knitt and grandma.
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  Speaker 2: But in this case, we're talking about an opponent in
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  Speaker 2: the governor's race, Democrat, Alva Adams.
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  Speaker 1: As you said then, and we want to give a
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  Speaker 1: big shout out to Devinflores over at Historycolorado dot org,
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  Speaker 1: who's giving us a lot of these early blow by
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  Speaker 1: blows and setups. Yeah, Alva. It's interesting. Alva served as
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  Speaker 1: the fifth and tenth governor of Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: Potentially the fourteenth, the hopeful for the fourteenth, right, that's
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  Speaker 2: the hope. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so these guys are neither of them are considered
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  Speaker 1: squeaky clean. Adams has some dark marks on his reputation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's very difficult to be a governor of
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  Speaker 1: any state and not have a few controversies. And so
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  Speaker 1: these guys just go nuts calling each other corrupt. It
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  Speaker 1: gets like into the realm of ugly politics.
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  Speaker 2: So quickly, totally, and it's like mud slinging, and there's
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  Speaker 2: plenty of mud to go around, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of this stuff is probably you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's to where there's smoke, there's fire kind of situation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely truth in these accusations, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that are being levied against both parties here. It's up
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  Speaker 2: to you, the voting publicly decide which one is worse
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  Speaker 2: than the other. I would argue it's peabody. We'll let
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  Speaker 2: history be the judge of that. Yes, yeah, Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: a spoiler alert. The race is very very close. That's
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  Speaker 2: familiar to a lot of people in the US and
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  Speaker 2: many other parts of the world. There are all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of reports of voter frauds, stuffed ballot boxes, all the hits,
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  Speaker 2: all the good ones. Once everything calms down, Adams has
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  Speaker 2: officially won the governorship by a very very narrow margin,
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  Speaker 2: and the Democrats additionally win the state Senate. But this
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  Speaker 2: is just the beginning, because like many other contested elections,
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  Speaker 2: the Republican Party initiated legal action. Before we go on,
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  Speaker 2: can I just say you mentioning stuffed ballot boxes prompted
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  Speaker 2: me to google old timey historic ballot box and like,
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  Speaker 2: these things are about the least impervious things you could
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  Speaker 2: possibly imagine. The one I'm looking at right here is
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  Speaker 2: just National ballot box and it has a really cheap
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  Speaker 2: looking key hanging from the thing. You know, it's like
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  Speaker 2: you could have prived this thing open with your fingernails.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention, like just the stuffing, which the practice
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  Speaker 2: really does. Just refer to voting more than once, Right,
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  Speaker 2: that's essentially what's up.
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  Speaker 1: Or manufacturing votes and just putting them all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kanye, right, we made.
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  Speaker 1: Up our names for this for the show we're recording today.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, we got Nell's born, which is a cool name,
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  Speaker 1: Sir M James Williams Esquire and of course X powers astronaut.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, with or without a secret, depending on the day,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And it's funny because in the modern day
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  Speaker 2: we have cases or at least accused alleged cases of
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  Speaker 2: voter fraud involving dead people voting, you know, or like
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  Speaker 2: there's this it's interesting to see the parallels between like
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  Speaker 2: this old school kind of shenaniganry around the elections and
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  Speaker 2: then what we see today and realize that despite technology
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  Speaker 2: and you know, forward movement of history and all things,
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  Speaker 2: aren't that much different of like what can be you know, perpetrated.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course it's a little harder to rig
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  Speaker 2: an election you're not dealing with paper. But even like
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  Speaker 2: that only ended kind of after the hanging Chad incidents, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's I'm gonna say, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when I've voted recently, what you do is you print up,
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  Speaker 4: print it out, you put it in the printer.
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  Speaker 3: They watch you put in the printer.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's like a scanner, understand, Yeah, but printed out,
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  Speaker 2: So you're right, there is some historical need for it
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  Speaker 2: to still be paper. It's just you know how long
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  Speaker 2: it takes to affect any real change in government. But
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  Speaker 2: I do find that well, I guess it makes sense. Ben, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if it were all online, it would be
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  Speaker 2: too too susceptible to hackers and bad actors, and it
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  Speaker 2: could literally someone could rig an election with a cyber attack.
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  Speaker 2: I get that. Maybe that's what it comes down to,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's part of Part of it too, is
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  Speaker 1: public faith in the institution, so having something tangible feels
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  Speaker 1: more dependable to peace. It's kind of like the argument,
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  Speaker 1: now this is a very hot take in the world
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  Speaker 1: of commercial aviation, but it's kind of like the argument
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  Speaker 1: that for most of a flight, the human pilot is
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  Speaker 1: there to make the passengers feel like someone competent is
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  Speaker 1: in charge.
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  Speaker 2: And to talk really quietly and weirdly on the PA
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  Speaker 2: system and maybe girk a little. Why do they all
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  Speaker 2: talk like that? Are they trained to purpose? At this point?
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  Speaker 2: It's it's I know, bizarre, it's bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't talk like this on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: bro give it up.
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  Speaker 2: All we are.
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  Speaker 1: Please, And it's it's always I like it when things
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  Speaker 1: are going weird in sideways and the pilot still has
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  Speaker 1: that voice, and they're there because they want to be calm, right.
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  Speaker 1: They want to be a trusted authority, just like just
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  Speaker 1: like a paper ballot, and they're like, oh, you may
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  Speaker 1: notice the Grand Canyon rapidly approaching on the left side
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  Speaker 1: of the plane. We're gonna Paul's beverage service. Put your
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  Speaker 1: head between your knees and prove to the gods of
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  Speaker 1: your choice, thank you for far Delta.
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  Speaker 2: Put the mask on your child first as you marvel
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  Speaker 2: at this great American you know feature.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, you always put the mask on yourself first.
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  Speaker 4: See I see this is how much I've tuned down.
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  Speaker 4: You have to help yourself. You can't help anyone else
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  Speaker 4: before you help yourself. No, no, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the politicians here must have been saying in
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  Speaker 1: the back like in their back rooms. We've got to
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  Speaker 1: help we all. We know that we as the Republican candidate,
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  Speaker 1: or we as the Democratic candidate, we want what's best
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  Speaker 1: for the people of Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: Only we know that, though only we could possibly know
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  Speaker 2: what that thing is. And hey, looks like it's also
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  Speaker 2: the thing that benefits us the most coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the ends, justify the means. And if
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  Speaker 1: you have to get a little dirty to create the
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  Speaker 1: political sausage, then you can always wash your hands.
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  Speaker 2: Of it later. Political sauce.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another word that I enjoyed for this. This was
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  Speaker 1: for an unrelated episode, but I think it's a word
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  Speaker 1: that's really cool in English. Have you heard the phrase cacistocracy?
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  Speaker 2: No, sir, I have not pleased enlightened me.
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  Speaker 1: It's a the etymology.
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  Speaker 2: Is it related? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: A government by the least suitable or competent citizens.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, got it makes so that's amazing. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: know that's typically what we get served most of the
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  Speaker 2: time in government. Look, we're not here to rag on democracy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the worst form of government next to all
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  Speaker 2: the other ones, right or no, the best best for
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  Speaker 2: I forget.
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  Speaker 1: Form a government except for all the other ones.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I gotta say, I love a good cliffhanger.
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  Speaker 2: It's good for the soul. So I believe we let
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  Speaker 2: off with an impending legal battle after a very narrow
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  Speaker 2: margin of victory. People love doing that too. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you beat me, but you you didn't really beat me.
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  Speaker 2: I hear all this talk of ballot box stuffing and
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  Speaker 2: crouping and all this shenanigans. I'm gonna use that word
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  Speaker 2: the whole episode.
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  Speaker 1: What gives They said, we can't let our political rivals
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  Speaker 1: shenan because then they will simply shanan again. Ah oh,
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  Speaker 1: I love it two kinds.
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  Speaker 2: But how are we going to stop them? How are
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  Speaker 2: we going to stop them?
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  Speaker 1: Then? Well, first, no, they stopped the government. They just
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  Speaker 1: the government stops because people shut it down. Yeah. People
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  Speaker 1: are saying, well, we don't know who really was And
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  Speaker 1: they go to court because Peabody's campaign can test the results,
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  Speaker 1: and they said, we need a real investigation before this
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  Speaker 1: villainous Alva Adams gets sworn into office. And they said,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we're going to strike a deal. They went
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  Speaker 1: in the smoky back room and they said, look, Peabody
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  Speaker 1: unlike each other, but we respect each other.
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  Speaker 2: How about you.
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  Speaker 1: Get to appoint members of the State Supreme Court if
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  Speaker 1: you say we won. And he goes no, I refuse.
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  Speaker 1: And even after Adams takes his oath and officially becomes
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  Speaker 1: the governor of Colorado, Peabody's sticking to his guns. They
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  Speaker 1: have this investigation. It turns into pandemonium almost instantly, totally.
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  Speaker 2: It was riots in the street. People were outraged. This
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  Speaker 2: probe was conducted by the state legislature and there's plenty
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  Speaker 2: of corruption to uncover, and boy, uncover it they did,
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  Speaker 2: to the point of basically everybody sucks and people were
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  Speaker 2: unceremoniously ejected from their seats in government, meaning that the
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  Speaker 2: political balance of political power was awry. It was like
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  Speaker 2: a serious shuffling going on. So that created its own
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  Speaker 2: flavor of chaos, right.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, it's a real life version of
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  Speaker 1: that three spider men pointing at each other meme. Not everybody,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of people who are supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: in uh investigating corruption turned out to be corrupt themselves.
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  Speaker 1: In Denver, the Democratic Party had stuffed ballot boxes and
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  Speaker 1: they also controlled the police, and through the police, they
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  Speaker 1: promised criminals that they would get out of jail, they
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  Speaker 1: would be acquitted if they committed voter fraud, using disguises
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  Speaker 1: to vote multiple times, or just you know, acted like
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  Speaker 1: a circuit judge and went from ballot box to ballot box.
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  Speaker 2: Max is burning to tell us, submissive.
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  Speaker 4: I got a question. You say, control the police, Are
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  Speaker 4: they like mister Nimbus. They control the police.
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  Speaker 1: He controls the police.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they're a cold killer.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, a lot of brick and mortar before we started
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  Speaker 4: recording this, So that's where we're.
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  Speaker 2: At right now. Okay, I'm sorry.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Oh you you remember this one. It's the time travel
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: one where it's basically nay More the sub mariner and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: he's like he's ricks.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: It's the first episode of season.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Five, of course, of course, yes, yes, I know it well,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: but no, Yeah, they controlled the police, which again not surprising.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it still feels very much a thing today
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in terms of like where budgets go, you know, it
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: usually goes to like the police. We're in the not
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to get political, we're in the midst of this whole
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like cop city thing here in Atlanta, which is very fishy,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: insane amount of money being allocated to this you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: police training facility. It happens to be in the middle
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: of like a gorgeous park basically you know, a wooded area.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: They took hours and hours of public comments, which was
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: almost like one hundred percent negative, and then voted the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: thing through. So I don't know, are they really who
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: are they looking out for? You know, the people who
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: have a problem with this in their community or the police.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I would argue things have not changed that much.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that assessment, especially because a hospital
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: closed down right before, and it would have been cheaper
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to keep the hospital going. But priorities we see. You know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: how do you define a benefit? It really depends on
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: your position in the social hierarchy. But yeah, we have
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people here on the ground
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta do consider those proceedings immensely corrupt. And and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, this was the same in Colorado. One person
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in Colorado in this election voted one hundred and sixty
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: nine times sexy number though it is a great number. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: that's why they stopped there. I bet exactly put the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: last one in and they went boom, I'm all used up.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: They noticed that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Seventy one that they messed up, like, oh crap, I
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: should have stopped too earlier, so they had to go
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: all the way up to the next one.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: As far as another hilarious status concerned, I think like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: over seven hundred ballots were cast for Democrats in a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: area that only had one hundred legally registered voters.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a Russian voting right there, isn't it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So of course it sounds like we're cracking on the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Democratic party of this time, and we are, but don't work.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Way different than the one we know. I mean again,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it's fingers on hand basically, like you say, Ben, I mean,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: which side wins not as relevant as one might think,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: especially in these days. But Democrats and Republicans represented much
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: different things ideologically back then than they do today.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's a good note. Yeah, that's a really important part
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of the of the argument a lot of people miss.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And of course, just like any good insult comics, we're
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: going to make sure the Republicans get theirs as well.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Republicans were coercing voters everywhere. The big railroad and mining
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: interest told their workers who had already you know, survived
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: hopefully a lot of those crackdowns you mentioned at the top.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They said, look, you have to vote Republican or you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: fired for anyone played a law at home that is
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: insanely illegal.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just the most abject form of coercion.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know, let me mess with your money, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: your your livelihood that you used to protect and provide
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: for your family. This is a mining state, Colorado lousy
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: with the things, you know, and the mining and railroad
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: interests were really wanting Peabody to win, which is interesting
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: because didn't you already have a bad reputation for messing
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: with miners at this point.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the owners of the mines loved They said,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: keep the peasants owners.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the miners. I'm thinking the miners. We're
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: not talking about the workers. We're talking about the fat
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: cats sitting up there counting the dough.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, counting the coal and the box site and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: what have you. We have one example where an owner
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of a Victory fuel company said, if the Democrats should win,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we may have to close the mind down. Let's make
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: up sound more evil. And if the Republican should win
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and find out one of the working men voted for
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the Democratic ticket, they would fire him.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, perfect. Excuse me, that was a very good
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: sith voice. Yeah, that's that's the level of evil we're
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: talking about here. This stuff is gross. Man, Oh my god,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: these are bad people.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And the folks working at the mines, you know what,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they are skilled labor and they probably don't have another
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: job they can just go to. This is this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: way before the era of working remotely.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: This is a specific skill set. I mean, like you
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, and you've worked in these minds.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: These are generational jobs too, Like families, they pass on
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: these skills to their offspring, and it's like you'll have
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: like third fourth generation mining families. And this is an
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: old industry even at this point. Yeah, one hundred percent.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And of course, as anybody who has mining in your
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: family's past knows, it comes with a lot of very
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: dangerous health conditions. It's not a fun job at all.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And these guys, these my workers, are furious that they're
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: being pushed around. And so when the investigation into corruption starts,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the miners are front and center and they say, look,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: here's what's going down. They're trying to force us to vote.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: They're physically abusing us. They're telling us to commit voter fraud,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to stuff ballots, and you should take a closer look.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So these investigators, many of whom will later be found
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to corrupt themselves, turn their eye toward a lot of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: mining towns in southern Colorado. And then Noels.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: As you know, as you know Max, a guy named
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: one Montez is the election clerk of a place called
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Jrfano County and one day he jumps out of a moving.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Train like you do. He probably forgot that he left
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the toaster on or something. You know, yeah, maybe have
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a toaster. Those things are on a timer. The oven
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: he had to go. He had to Now that's weird, right,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: That's that's weird. It's weird to Yeah, usually you wait
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: for the train to stop. I'm not you know, I'm
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: not an engineer, but that's always normally. I'm just implying
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: there may have been foul play a foot oh, entirely
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: likely that he did not do this on purpose.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It feels like that Indiana Jones heist in the beginning
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of what was at Last Crusade where it starts with the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: young Indiana Jones. He's on the run because he has
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: been ordered by the court to bring back a ballot
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: box that was used in the election, and a sheriff's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: deputy rode along ast an escort. They were from going
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: from Denver to Wolsenburg, and the deputy was there because
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: people didn't trust this election clerk.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh man here, I was the whole time thinking that
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: this guy had been like targeted because he was like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the good boy who was who was was getting to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the heart of all the Shenanigan ring, but in fact
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: he himself was was was a party just said Shenanigan ring.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And he basically jumped out of the moving train because
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he was a big old coward and knew that the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: jig was up.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, maybe his family was threatened. We really don't know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: but it is hilarious to think he had already been
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: asked to produce this ballot box and he didn't, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the legislature put law enforcement autumn to make sure he
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: actually brought it back this time. But he knew we
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: had a hot box. He knew it was corrupt, so
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: so fairly not to hot box.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Not too long after the train leaves the station, our
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: boy Motes jumps off the train and tries to run away.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: He is captured. He is charged with election fraud. He
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of headlights because he went to the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: mat right for whomever his patrons were.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and one would think, okay, they've got their fall
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: guy literally right. He knows how to take a fall,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: literally and figuratively. But he was not the last person charged.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course, we always know that the people
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: who truly are at the heart of perpetrating. These kinds
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of conspiracies usually get away scott free, but it doesn't
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: mean you can't. You don't make a show of like justice.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You know, justice must be done and gets you a
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: handful of names and faces to plaster up and see,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we did we did it, We found the bad guys.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Now move on and things basically stay the same. But sorry,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: if I'm being a.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Little I don't think you know. I'm a practice. I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: practice optimistic nihilism. Right, nothing matters and things are really okay.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But but I one hundred percent agree with you because
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: people like a face. Right, That's why celebrity news is
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: so much more popular than policy news. So if you
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: have to your point, nol, if you have that face
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: people can look at, then they can feel like that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: person's punishment means the problem is solved. As you pointed out,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they couldn't be further from the truth. The box from
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Hufano County, the ballot hot box, the hot box that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they eventually get. It turns out this thing is completely empty,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: like that vault. Eraldo Rivera made such a big deal
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: about getting into.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Like a Snickers wrapper in there just blowing in the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: wind and the box tumbleweed.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and the box hadn't even been used during
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the election. As a result, all the ballots cast in
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that precinct didn't count.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I was sort of ragging on the you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: very unintimidating construction of these boxes. But they are all
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like you know, catalog, They've just got like a number
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: associated with them. This is government property. You know, these
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: things are meant to be distributed and kept track of
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: in a way. You know, with that, it's supposed to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: have some level of precision. So uh this, you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: they were gonna get to the bottom of like where
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that what happened with said box, you know what I mean?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They were trying what hopes, you know, and a lot
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of other ballots get thrown out during this corruption investigation,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them shouldn't have been thrown out.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: It gets really weird. Also, I want to point out
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate they use the phrase hanging Chad because
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it's a terrible thing in an election, but like gubernatorial
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it's just it's a hilarious image.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: To me, and the just for make me make sure
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm remembering this right, The hanging Chad was literally like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: back in the day where you kind of ballots were
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: almost like a scantron card, but you'd use a little
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: pin to poke out these perfer little guys, and they
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: were arguing that in some precinct or whatever, the construction
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of the cards was such that the piece of paper
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't pop all the way out, and if it was
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: hanging then it did, it shouldn't be counted as a
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: full vote. But that's sort of like kind of bullshit, right.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: The intent of the voter is clear if they punched
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the thing just didn't break off, but I don't know.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you're absolutely correct, you nailed it. And I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: remember when that became a huge controversy. Uh, several years back.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: The only thing that could make me laugh was picturing
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: some guy named Chad who just hung out at polling
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: places in Florida and distracted people, like, Hey, what's up man?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You want smoothie? You want to hit this?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You want to hit this?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Bro? Check out this, matt Alie.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I got an alligator in my truck. So so, yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: hanging Chad was not that cool.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It is the thing you described little and a lot
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of these ballots get thrown out and something that happens
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know later closer to modern day as well, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the investigation started to become even more corrupt itself. More
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and more residents of Colorado from all political stripes were
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: saying to each other. They were saying, look, man, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: might be a Democrat, you might be a Republican, but
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we can agree the government of Colorado sucks.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Sucks real bad. Yeah. I mean again, not like there
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: were that many like shining paragons of governmental excellence at
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: this point in our country's fair history. But no, Colorado
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: is pretty awful. Like I mean, this was a level
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of corruption pretty close to like the whole Tammany Hall,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you know vibes like in Chicago, you know, to associated
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: with like bootlegging and gangsters and all of that stuff.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe not that level of connection with like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: organized crime, but certainly the type of cronyism and just
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you know, two faced dealings, double dealings, more than one
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: could possibly imagine. But we can help you imagine it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna tell you more in a minute. Yeah, it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: gets worse.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So we said that the state government became pretty ineffective,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: ground to a halt. I think is the phrase we used.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That's because this investigation amounted to two hundred thousand pages
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: of evidence, over two thousand witnesses. And the guy again,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Now Governor Adams is in office, but he
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: can't do anything because anytime he does something, he gets
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: attacked for allegedly fixing the election as exactly.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Word they use. And the legislature instead of you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: handling affairs of the state, they spend weeks and weeks
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and weeks just say no you uh uh you though.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah more that spider man me and you're talking out earlier.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And usurper. I'm sorry I had to say in that
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: goofy voice because it's just Game of Thrones as hell,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that that is the term that gets thrown around when
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: someone like basically takes the throne or like you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: uh scoop someone else's birthright, you know, usually involving a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: murder most foul.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: We should start, I agree, we should bring usurper back
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and just start using it to incredibly escalate normal situations.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: They pair it with a hard point yeah, like you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: were doing you know, yeah, yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So we're hanging out at our local uh or whatever,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: our local cheers is and then someone takes your seat.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Then let's all call the person a surper and then
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: let's hold a corrupt vote about it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like that scene where what is her name,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Circe Lanister, She's getting paraded through the square and the nun.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Shame shame, you know, with theftor playing that nun is.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I did look this up. It was somebody interesting.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Is Hannah Wattingham, who is like the coal of ted Lasso.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: That's right, yes, I remember.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I saw an interview she did with one of the
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: late night hosts and she's like for like everyone, like
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: on Game of Thrones, they're having this massive makeup and
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. They told me to show up with
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: no make about and they go perfect and put me
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: on the stage.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: What she's such a she's such a kind of fabulous character,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: you know in uh in ted Lasso, like very stylish
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and cosmopolitan, and in this one she's like just the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: quinn essential unadorned nun that is just shaming somebody you
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: know's being paraded through the square.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And shout out ted Lasso, Ah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I heard it's not good, did you? I disagree?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Wholehearted?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, I think I think I think it's the people
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: are being critical of it, saying like, oh, it's a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: little too emotional, a little too corny. I'm like ted
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Lass has always been kind of emotional. I mean it
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: makes me feel good. Yeah, the show is positive.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That's like saying a Hallmark birthday card is too birthday centric.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: It's like saying a bucket full of puppies and hiddens
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: is too cute.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Right, it also has just just too damn many puppies
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and kittens in it, you know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And so this huge to do this brew haha, doesn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: end with what you would call justice based on the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Dictionary definition of justice. It ends with some dirty backroom deals.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: We stop the presses, stop the votes, put the ballot
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: box down, stop the count. Oh yeah, stop the count man,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: stop the presses. Who's that this Vicky Vale? That is?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: That's also that's also us saying this is part one right,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: because we know we're having so much fun with this
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that we decided, check out how prepared we are now, folks.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: We decided before we got in the booth that we
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: would make this at two partner.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: You have a booth, that's fancy.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I got to show you guys. Like the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: new place where I live. I had to line it
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of shelves, so it's actually kind.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Of a it's a booth.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It's San Francisco. They call it a room, but here
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it okay.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's okay. I just have a basement. I wish I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: had a booth. Maybe one day. I love my basement,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: but I got no booth. But maybe one day I'll
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: build one. I'll build out a booth of my own,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and then we'll finally be on equal playing field. But
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: speaking of equal playing field, that wasn't a thing that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: existed in politics of yesteryear. Thing the decks and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: ballot boxes and all of the things were stacked, stuffed loaded.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to get right back into talking about a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: particularly corrupt episode in American politics. It took place in
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: a place you might not have thought would be guilty
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of such things. Colorado. They're cool in Colorado, right, they
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: smoke all the weed. Why are they beefing in the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: streets and beaten up striking miners? Yeah?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And we can't wait for you to tune in with
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: us this when we have part two coming out thanks
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to super producer Max, the Governor Williams. Thanks to Jonathan
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Strickland aka the Quizter, and who else knows who else who.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Else, Oh Alex Williams who composed this banging diddy Max Williams,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: which is incredible resource for this two parter, intentional two parter.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And you Ben for being such an above the board guy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: You know when it comes to your politics and just
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