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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: and now newly registered mayoral candidate running under the Pity Party,
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Speaker 1: Jay Peace Shadrick. Welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour from
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis. The NFL Scouting Combine.
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Speaker 1: The testing getting underway today, Media time starting to wrap
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Speaker 1: up on Radio Row. We've got a busy show ahead
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Speaker 1: for the next hour here at the combine. CBS Sports
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Speaker 1: Senior writer Pete Frisco coming up. We'll hear from head
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Speaker 1: team position Kevin Kaplan. Yes, get his thoughts on you
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Speaker 1: know what happens here in Indianapolis with the team doctors
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Speaker 1: and Sirius XMNFL host Kirk Morrison joining us at about
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Speaker 1: four thirty or so today J P. Shadrick with senior
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Speaker 1: writer On Osier and more senior writer Pete Briscoe of
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports. So, in other words, we have a future
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Speaker 1: mayor and a former mayor of Jacksonville Saints still the mayor.
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Speaker 1: By the way, you don't look like Basselli. That music
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Speaker 1: reminded me of Joe's introduction. Is that Monday night a
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Speaker 1: game you don't look Likesselli? Better shape and you know
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Speaker 1: more than he does incredible. Here we are Pete Combine time,
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Speaker 1: the big flagpole event of the off season, one of them.
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Speaker 1: But this turned into a massive gathering and twelve hundred
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Speaker 1: credentialed media for this thing. And it's really two different events.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the coaching GM part to set the
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Speaker 1: tone for the off season for a lot of organizations.
1:41
Speaker 1: And then the testing started today. I mean in this
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Speaker 1: place is starting to clear out because they're not worried
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Speaker 1: about that part. Well, and you know, you know me, John,
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Speaker 1: I've never been a big testing guy. You put the
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Speaker 1: tape on, you watch the tape, you find out if
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Speaker 1: a guy can play football. The interviews are good, the
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Speaker 1: medicals good, all that is important, but the actual workout.
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Speaker 1: We've come here for years and seen guys come here
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Speaker 1: and they work out, Oh he's great, and then he
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Speaker 1: get drafted and they don't play that well. And so
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Speaker 1: I think you got to really evaluate him based on
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Speaker 1: the tape. This thing is enormous, by the way, I
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Speaker 1: think if you have a Draft Buddy leaflet, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get a credential to this thing. NFL Draft siteeck dot net.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and look, it's great for the game. It's
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Speaker 1: great for the kids who were doing it. But I
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Speaker 1: wish I had had an opportunity when I was a
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Speaker 1: young kid to be able to do something like that.
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Speaker 1: But it used to be in the thinking over there,
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Speaker 1: in that hotel room over there, That's where it was.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear your best twenty year old Combine story.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine real quick. First Combine, you were
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Speaker 1: with CBS already. I had just taken over for you
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Speaker 1: at the Times Union. My only interview with Tom Coffin,
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Speaker 1: I'm the main Jaguars beat rider, my only interview with
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Speaker 1: Tom Coffin all week. I chased him down as he
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Speaker 1: was going into the Catholic church over here across the
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Speaker 1: street at six third or ten minutes for mass. Talked
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Speaker 1: to him for ten minutes formass. He gave me grief
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Speaker 1: because he said, you're putting our salary cap information into
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Speaker 1: paper rosure. But that was where you got the coach.
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Speaker 1: There was no podium, no, there was no car wash,
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Speaker 1: there was no set stage, and I was worried all
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Speaker 1: we going gonna get Tom. And I finally got him
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Speaker 1: on the steps of the Catholic church at five fifty
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Speaker 1: on a Saturday, and I know you were here a
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Speaker 1: couple of years before that, and I were here when
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Speaker 1: there was nothing and they were trying to throw you out. Basically, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well you had to interview guys in the lobby of
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Speaker 1: the Crown Plaza right there, That's what it was. And
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Speaker 1: they'd bring it. If you'd asked for a player, they'd
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Speaker 1: bring him down. There'd be like four or five guys
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Speaker 1: would talk to him. Sometimes you were the only guy
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Speaker 1: talking to him. It was just so much different. My
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Speaker 1: story is that first year I came was the year before, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the year they were drafted, that first draft pick, and
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Speaker 1: I remember chasing Steve McNair down the road trying to
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Speaker 1: get them because remember there was some talk that they
3:48
Speaker 1: might end up taking Steve McNair. There was that one,
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Speaker 1: then there was I remember one of those early years,
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Speaker 1: it might have been year two, two agents actually got
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Speaker 1: in the fist fight in the lobby of them because
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Speaker 1: he was accusing his stealing is. Yeah, I thought you
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Speaker 1: were going to tell a different story about the first
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Speaker 1: time you came to the coll And then I think
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Speaker 1: it was ninety six when you called me and there
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Speaker 1: was a mob around Keishan and they remembered the story right,
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Speaker 1: And Jags had the number one pick. I mean I
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Speaker 1: had the number two pick and the Jets had the
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Speaker 1: number one, and Keshan went one and you asked him
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Speaker 1: about playing for Coffin, he went coach Coffee Cool. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but he wasn't gonna play for him though, yeah now
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Speaker 1: and then and then it worked out great because the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer waste, so it worked out for them.
4:31
Speaker 1: That's Pete Prisco, John Ozer, J P. Shatick is Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Happy Hour from the NFL Scouting Combine. You know, a
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Speaker 1: lot of positive reaction about the Jaguars run Pete here
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis this week, right Lea so trimp Balky on
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Speaker 1: the podium on Tuesday and Doug Peterson making the rounds
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Speaker 1: and you know what, got a quarterback. A lot of
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Speaker 1: things going well, a lot of moves the last week
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Speaker 1: or so to move some money around, and then the
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Speaker 1: news today that they're expected to tag to have an Ingram,
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Speaker 1: so m you know, well, Evan Ingram wasn't going anywhere
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Speaker 1: no matter what they were trying. There's they probably still
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Speaker 1: are trying to get a deal done with him. If
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Speaker 1: they can't get the deal right, if they don't get
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Speaker 1: the deal done with him. But if they don't get
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Speaker 1: the deal done with him before they even put because
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Speaker 1: they haven't officially put the tag on them yet, there's
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Speaker 1: they're going to do it one way the other. He
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Speaker 1: will be in Jacksonville next year no matter what. But
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Speaker 1: if they get him tagged, um, then maybe what do
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Speaker 1: you do with with You know, Juan Taylor personally, and
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Speaker 1: I said that to them. I would not let Juan
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Speaker 1: Taylor out the door. He's too valuable. This is an
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Speaker 1: offensive team. You have a franchise quarterback. Make sure the
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Speaker 1: offense is every bit as good as it can be.
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Speaker 1: And by keeping Juwan Taylor there, I think, and Evan
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Speaker 1: Ingram there, and you add Ridley to the equation. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, I hear nothing but good things about
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Speaker 1: his ability to work out. He's supposedly flying around in
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Speaker 1: his workouts. Then all of a sudden, your offense is
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Speaker 1: pretty much set. You need a big banger back, but
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Speaker 1: aside from that, you're pretty much set there. Well, they
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Speaker 1: were tenth in the league in offense last year and
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Speaker 1: really spent the first seven or eight games trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out where they were, and then they got you know,
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Speaker 1: so I anticipated what you're talking about then being I
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Speaker 1: think it would be a top three or four offense
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Speaker 1: next year based on that, and I agree, I don't
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Speaker 1: think they want to let Juan Taylor out the door.
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Speaker 1: I think there will be a point, you know, as
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Speaker 1: with any number, that it might get too big for him.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can necessarily say we can't about
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Speaker 1: the door at any price. And that's a matter of
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Speaker 1: how Drew wants to come in, and if Drew really
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Speaker 1: wants to get into free agency, it's gonna be tough. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it will be tough, and particularly you know, some teams
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Speaker 1: look at it, there's a desperation for offensive lineman, which
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Speaker 1: might drive up this price. I mean, I did the
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Speaker 1: top one hundred ranking of the lineman and I think
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Speaker 1: he was seventh. Amount of the players, I think I
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Speaker 1: am seventh. That's how much I feel about all players. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: that's how much I feel about his growth this year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was that good. I'd find a way
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Speaker 1: to keep them, because if you don't keep them, then
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Speaker 1: what are your options. You're looking for another one, or
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Speaker 1: you're moving one of those guys to right tackle Walker
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Speaker 1: little proof he couldn't play right tackle. At least it
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Speaker 1: didn't look like he could. So I think that's a problem.
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Speaker 1: So keep this offense. This is an offensive team. Don't
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Speaker 1: weaken it. And if you weak, if you go in,
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Speaker 1: let's just say you keep all those guys. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: got three tackles. Guys go down in this league too,
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Speaker 1: We've seen that before. And if you don't, one of
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Speaker 1: them maybe can play left guard, and you know, probably
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Speaker 1: would be waker. Little would play left Guardaniel of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you have a giant offensive line, big offensive line around
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Speaker 1: that quarterback. So that's what I would do. And and
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Speaker 1: I think they're smart. They realize what they're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: And I think they'd love to keep them and keep
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Speaker 1: it intact and build it around Trevor Lawrence. But we'll
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Speaker 1: see it's hard to do when you have cap problems. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think a little would play guard in that scenario.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, to your thought, I'm of the belief. I
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Speaker 1: think you Jawarys feel this way now too. You don't
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Speaker 1: have two starting tackles anymore, you have three. You have
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Speaker 1: to consider your swing tackle a starter because look at
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Speaker 1: the look at last season. If they only have two
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Speaker 1: guys that can play tackle. Last year they don't make
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. The question becomes, is walk a little a
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Speaker 1: better left tackle than Cam Robbins in this They like
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Speaker 1: the way you play down the step. That's what I mean.
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Speaker 1: There's some big moments in big games. I mean, is
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Speaker 1: he a better left tackle? And if he is, then
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Speaker 1: can Cam play left guard? Because you know there's always
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Speaker 1: that possibility. I just don't think you take offensive line.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be tough to play Cam and left guard?
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Speaker 1: With that? I mean that, yeah, But if you're paying
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Speaker 1: him anyways's playing where you're gonna feel the best. You
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Speaker 1: got the five best out there and whatever way they
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Speaker 1: align up. That's that's what I would do. And look,
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Speaker 1: one thing I will say, and we all, I'm guilty
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Speaker 1: as anybody because you know JP, we lit up Trent Balky,
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Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Yeah we did. And I asked him.
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Speaker 1: He was on with us the other day and I
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Speaker 1: asked him, is any part of you? And I admitted
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Speaker 1: I was one of those guys I lit him up.
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Speaker 1: Is he vindicated? And he wouldn't go there a little bit?
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't. He didn't, He wouldn't go there. Has is
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Speaker 1: he a little bit vindicated. You're saying, right, somewhere inside
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Speaker 1: he has to feel it. He's not. I can admit
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Speaker 1: when when I he did some really good thing. Now,
8:58
Speaker 1: having said that, the defense still looking good. The defense
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Speaker 1: still needs a lot of work, and they spent a
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Speaker 1: lot of money on that defense, so it's not all fixed.
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Speaker 1: But the money they spent was what I would think
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Speaker 1: of as half to Spain. They had to get better
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Speaker 1: somewhere as well as you could in freecy. It wasn't
9:14
Speaker 1: a report card on free agency for this franchise. Is
9:18
Speaker 1: you know, I've covered the league forever. How many free
9:21
Speaker 1: agent classes have you seen come in? And by the
9:24
Speaker 1: end of the first season there's three of them. You
9:26
Speaker 1: can't wait to get out the door. You had Christian Kirk,
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Zay Jones, Darius Williams arden Key. That's one
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Speaker 1: of the best, most productive free agent classes. I haven't
9:40
Speaker 1: looked at the entire league's history, but there aren't many
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Speaker 1: free agent classes in NFL history who have done that.
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Speaker 1: With that level of consistency, It's hard to get productive
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Speaker 1: free agency who fit together. Now, I think Doug gets
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Speaker 1: some credit for that in creating a locker room where
9:54
Speaker 1: aybody could come in. But you're talking about core guys.
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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is all of a sudden a core guy
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Speaker 1: on this team. Evan feels that way. Brandon sure, if
10:02
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about he was hurt last year,
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Speaker 1: bad but still a big part of what they were.
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Speaker 1: That was a phenomenal free agent class. And if you're
10:10
Speaker 1: going to criticize gms for their mistakes, you have to
10:13
Speaker 1: give him credit for that, which is why he deserves,
10:15
Speaker 1: you know, accolades for it. And I even asked him,
10:18
Speaker 1: I said the clown emoji, I go, you were well
10:20
Speaker 1: where of it? And he was, he knew all about it.
10:24
Speaker 1: I mean he was. Look, these guys aren't immune to
10:26
Speaker 1: the criticism, and so when they do have success, you're
10:30
Speaker 1: right a little bit, they should, you know, prop up
10:32
Speaker 1: their feathers. And Bragg I would never say it publicly
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Speaker 1: been driving him absolutely, I would hope for his say absolutely,
10:38
Speaker 1: he smiles a little bit. Absolutely. How they fix the defense,
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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you can fix the defense.
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Speaker 1: So I think, and we've talked about this, go get
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Speaker 1: the offense explosive and they did. Did Kansas City fix
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Speaker 1: their defense last year? No, they had a bunch of
10:55
Speaker 1: kids playing and they played okay, and they were okay
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Speaker 1: on defense. That's just what they need to be because oay, exactly,
11:02
Speaker 1: you don't need to be great on defense. You need
11:04
Speaker 1: to be just okay. Last year at times they were
11:07
Speaker 1: not just okay. And they still need to rush the
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Speaker 1: passer better, I think. And again, this is something I
11:13
Speaker 1: asked Dug about, and I think they're gonna do more
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Speaker 1: of it. They won't commit it to it fully, but
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Speaker 1: this is what they need to play. Trayvon Walker down,
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Speaker 1: I think he could become Eric Armstead from the forty
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Speaker 1: nine ers, the far As Buckner um Klais Campbell. That's
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Speaker 1: the kind of ability he has. And I know everybody says, well,
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Speaker 1: they drafted the first overall to become a pass rusher.
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Speaker 1: If he's a really good player getting ten eleven sacks
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Speaker 1: from the inside, is that taint to pick at all? No,
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Speaker 1: absolutely not. And I don't know if he's ever going
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Speaker 1: to be a great pass rusher. And that's the problem.
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Speaker 1: Think about that, you have two top ten picks rushing
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Speaker 1: the passer and you still weren't good rushing the passer.
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Speaker 1: That's a concern. He we talked about it yesterday. I
11:57
Speaker 1: tend to agree with you on Trayvon, and my thought
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Speaker 1: is if you had picked Klais Campbell number one overall,
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Speaker 1: and you were sitting here right now, you would look
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Speaker 1: at that as a as a really good pick that year.
12:09
Speaker 1: So that's okay. I want to clarify something that you
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Speaker 1: said because I think it's what you're saying, you can't
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Speaker 1: really fix it. And I agree with you because if
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for is high impact pass rush, I
12:22
Speaker 1: don't know that at twenty four you're gonna find that.
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Speaker 1: And it's really hard to find a free agency and
12:27
Speaker 1: I don't know that as a team they're in a
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Speaker 1: position to go all chips in on a risky free
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Speaker 1: agent pass rusher. So I have a feeling that next year,
12:35
Speaker 1: ten games into the season, fans may be going, well,
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Speaker 1: they didn't look at the pass rush last off season.
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Speaker 1: You have to remember what's available to you as a franchise,
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Speaker 1: how you build. That's why I agree with you. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: you say there may not be the Joey Boasta fix
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Speaker 1: at pass rusher, so you go get stronger somewhere else
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Speaker 1: and make up for what might not be as strong
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Speaker 1: as you want that. And again, if you keep Juwantel
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Speaker 1: and you keep Evan Ingram and you look at the offense,
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Speaker 1: you might draft the back in the fifth round to
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Speaker 1: help the offense. Might get another tight end at some
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Speaker 1: point in the draft, and who knows, maybe there's a
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Speaker 1: tight end in the first round you really like. You
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Speaker 1: add him to the mix, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you're really a dynamic offense. But if you don't use
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Speaker 1: that first pick on a tight end, then you go
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Speaker 1: into you look at your defense. You gotta have to
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Speaker 1: get a corner and you have to get a pass rusher.
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Speaker 1: Those are two things you have to get and at
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Speaker 1: some point in this draft or some point in free agency,
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Speaker 1: because they don't have the corners. Look, Herndon's a nice
13:29
Speaker 1: little play plays hard everything. But when you see him
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Speaker 1: as the nickel corner, he gets exposed. He runs across
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Speaker 1: the field. He can't run with guys. That's a problem.
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Speaker 1: Darius Williams, we talked about it all year. Move him outside.
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Speaker 1: He moved outside. He was better. But is he an
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Speaker 1: elite corner. No. Tyson Campbell's a good player, and they
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Speaker 1: need somebody else. They need a and this is a
13:47
Speaker 1: by the way, this is a great corner draft. There's
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Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah, you could probably get two and two
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Speaker 1: guys that can come in and compete. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's entirely fixable on defense, but it can get better.
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Speaker 1: And that's all if you have the offense that I
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna have, that's all it needs to do
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Speaker 1: is get better. Particularly, let's not forget guys. They play
14:08
Speaker 1: six games against the South, which is not a good division.
14:11
Speaker 1: They played four more against the NFC South. We look
14:14
Speaker 1: at it already. He's locking. I haven't yet, but Selly
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Speaker 1: locked it until the last show. Did we both locked
14:22
Speaker 1: a division? Next? God? Oh yeah, But of course he's
14:26
Speaker 1: at least you know, yeah he wins. That could be
14:30
Speaker 1: that should be nine right there. Yeah, when lose one
14:33
Speaker 1: of them, because you're guaranteeing nine to win against those teams.
14:37
Speaker 1: Those teams are those teams in the South are ter.
14:39
Speaker 1: Look at the quarterbacks you're gonna be playing. Look at
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Speaker 1: all the seven teams and all they are toughing in
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Speaker 1: all seven teams. Right now, who are the quarterbacks you're playing?
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Speaker 1: Tanny Hill? Maybe yeah, yeah, there's three young rookie quarterback
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Speaker 1: And then you don't know what's going on. Colts will
14:56
Speaker 1: probably have a rookie quarterback too, And then in the
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Speaker 1: in the NFC South, you have no I think he's
15:01
Speaker 1: coming back, Trash Trask or whoever they go gat. Carolina
15:06
Speaker 1: has no idea that might bring Darnold back. Atlanta has Ritter,
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Speaker 1: who's in this second year, barely played last year. And
15:11
Speaker 1: then so it's a great schedule next year. And plus
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that just to say it's
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Speaker 1: a one year one. This team is here for the
15:18
Speaker 1: next decade because of that quarterback period. End of story.
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Speaker 1: Anything else you do is all about him. It's just
15:24
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs. They let Tyreek hil go, They use
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Speaker 1: the draft picks, they supplement the defense, they bring in
15:28
Speaker 1: some one year hits on the quarterback got him there
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Speaker 1: again and he wanted again. That's what Trevor Lawrence does
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Speaker 1: for this team. He has to be. Yes, you have
15:35
Speaker 1: to never win. It's what they have to eventually be. Pete,
15:38
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll get you a cold one tonight. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: you got it. Pete Prisco, CBS Sports senior writer with
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Speaker 1: on experiences. So lock in your seats today. Welcome back
16:56
Speaker 1: as Jaguars Happy Hour from the NFL Scout in Combine
16:59
Speaker 1: and Annapolis and the Indiana Convention Center. Coming up shortly.
17:03
Speaker 1: Kirk Morrison, former Jaguars linebacker now Sirius XM NFL radio host,
17:09
Speaker 1: now joining us. It's the Jaguars head team position doctor
17:13
Speaker 1: Kevin Kaplan from Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute and Camp. Here we
17:18
Speaker 1: are at the combine again. Good to see you and
17:21
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Many glad I got chance a moment.
17:24
Speaker 1: What number combined? Is this for you? This is fourteen
17:28
Speaker 1: assistant for four years and I've been the head guy
17:30
Speaker 1: for ten years. Really like thirty years old, young guy, Sorry,
17:35
Speaker 1: you're sixteen. It's amazing, all right, So everybody says that, Yeah,
17:40
Speaker 1: ask almost everybody. The most important part of the combine
17:42
Speaker 1: experience for these players is the medical evaluation, and certainly
17:46
Speaker 1: for the teams that want to get exposed to these
17:49
Speaker 1: players and see what's really going on. That's where you
17:52
Speaker 1: and your staff come in. So take us through the process.
17:56
Speaker 1: Is there a room? Are there multiple rooms? Do the
17:59
Speaker 1: players rules? Rude? Do you get to just cherry pick guys?
18:02
Speaker 1: I mean, how does that work for the physician? Yeah?
18:04
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure you know this. The way this
18:06
Speaker 1: whole NFL Combine really started was medical, right, doctors are saying, hey,
18:10
Speaker 1: we're bringing guys in. We don't know anything about them,
18:11
Speaker 1: you know, and so can you tell us what their
18:13
Speaker 1: medical risk is? And that's how this whole thing started,
18:15
Speaker 1: and then the running, the jumping, all that kind of
18:16
Speaker 1: followed suit. So the way it works is there are
18:20
Speaker 1: rooms of physicians. It's our room has been the same
18:23
Speaker 1: at least ever since I've been around. It's the same
18:25
Speaker 1: group of guys. So it's us, the Titans, the Jets,
18:28
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and the Bengals. So you're very familiar with
18:31
Speaker 1: the guys that are in your room. And every single
18:34
Speaker 1: player that's here, you know, the combine comes to that room,
18:38
Speaker 1: and so they'll bring them in one by one. There's
18:40
Speaker 1: a kind of a pre combined screen where they talk
18:43
Speaker 1: to the players, getting an idea of their medical history,
18:46
Speaker 1: and so they gather information from the time they were
18:48
Speaker 1: in high school playing football through I mean even before that.
18:51
Speaker 1: Guys have had injuries when they were five and six
18:53
Speaker 1: years old that are on their injury at every piece
18:56
Speaker 1: of information you can gather is there. So a lot
18:58
Speaker 1: of scans, X rays and i CT scans are done
19:01
Speaker 1: before you can get here. So they bring a player
19:03
Speaker 1: in one by one, they'll be a presentation. The player
19:06
Speaker 1: will be there on the exam table and they'll present
19:09
Speaker 1: the player to us and say, this is what you know,
19:11
Speaker 1: who the player is, these are the injuries he's had.
19:13
Speaker 1: And then they'll go through the examination and say, you
19:16
Speaker 1: know that in his shoulders stable, his knees got a
19:19
Speaker 1: little swelling to it, his incisions are healed, et cetera,
19:21
Speaker 1: et cetera, and then we're free to get up and
19:24
Speaker 1: feel and get a you know, look, there's certain guys
19:26
Speaker 1: that we're looking at specifically, but you want to have
19:28
Speaker 1: an overall look because you know how it is through
19:30
Speaker 1: the year, they're always working the back into that roster.
19:33
Speaker 1: So they may not the Jaguars may not be interested
19:35
Speaker 1: in a player today, but that guy may come to
19:37
Speaker 1: you as a free agent, you know, three months from now.
19:39
Speaker 1: So you get a good idea of that player. So
19:41
Speaker 1: you take notes on everybody, or at least I do,
19:43
Speaker 1: and then you know, when it comes time to grading
19:46
Speaker 1: the player, have a grading scale because I want to
19:48
Speaker 1: be able to easily relay the information to Trent and
19:50
Speaker 1: to Dug and to Firg and say this guy is
19:53
Speaker 1: this level of risk, you know, and there's it's a
19:56
Speaker 1: Every team has a different scale. Vers there's one to five,
19:58
Speaker 1: you know, the ones where the healthiest guys typically are
20:01
Speaker 1: the punters and kickers that come in. It's just the
20:02
Speaker 1: way it works, and fives is a fail and it's
20:05
Speaker 1: very rare to fail someone orthopedically. Those are typically the medical,
20:09
Speaker 1: the heart stuff. So then I go back home, make
20:11
Speaker 1: sure I've reviewed all the MRIs, and then we have
20:13
Speaker 1: a medical meeting where we go through every guy that
20:15
Speaker 1: they're interested on their board as is there a medical
20:18
Speaker 1: risk there? What is the medical risk if you It's
20:22
Speaker 1: maybe tricky to answer, so I try to phrase it
20:24
Speaker 1: the right way. If you didn't have the combine and
20:27
Speaker 1: you were just kind of going off of the records
20:31
Speaker 1: that you see, if your comfort level is at ten
20:35
Speaker 1: with this process, where would it be without this? I
20:38
Speaker 1: would be almost zero? Okay, I got you. So you
20:42
Speaker 1: have to get your hand on guys, and I guessed
20:45
Speaker 1: as a follow up to that, can you imagine it
20:47
Speaker 1: without a combine if you were trying to get guy?
20:51
Speaker 1: It's impossible, right, It's essential for this reason you have to,
20:54
Speaker 1: I mean it, otherwise you're going on just assuming what
20:58
Speaker 1: the risk is. There's so many things you pick up
21:00
Speaker 1: on MRIs, whether it's pieces of cartilage missing or little
21:03
Speaker 1: meniscus terrors, or we even pick up guys every year.
21:06
Speaker 1: I mean, we have them this year, but they don't
21:08
Speaker 1: have acls. You know, they didn't know they didn't have
21:10
Speaker 1: an ACL. That's a you know, some people cope with that,
21:13
Speaker 1: you know, their knees loose, and they may cope with it,
21:15
Speaker 1: but then they need an a CL obviously to play
21:17
Speaker 1: the game. So you know, without this, we wouldn't have
21:20
Speaker 1: any that information. Yeah, where they've never had them, or
21:21
Speaker 1: it's been torns in time and they didn't note that.
21:23
Speaker 1: The guys in the past had an injury and maybe
21:26
Speaker 1: they wore a brace or strapped it up or you know,
21:30
Speaker 1: but tape on it or you know, taped it and
21:32
Speaker 1: gave themself some sort of stability, you know, but there
21:35
Speaker 1: are subset of people that can cope without an ACL,
21:37
Speaker 1: but you don't wonder how they kind of got by
21:39
Speaker 1: doing that. Maybe that's why it wasn't very good at bat.
21:42
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't have al al, maybe I was missing something.
21:45
Speaker 1: That's what it does. Doctor Kevin Kaplan with us from
21:48
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute here at the NFL Scouting Combine. So
21:52
Speaker 1: all right, so the time frame of this all happening
21:54
Speaker 1: is it over multiple days? How many days do you
21:57
Speaker 1: have left? Today is Thursday, So what's the rest of
21:59
Speaker 1: your schedule? So it's four days or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
22:02
Speaker 1: And they break it up. You know, we did the
22:04
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, linebackers first day. Today we did special teams
22:07
Speaker 1: and the defensive backs. So we still got the quarterbacks.
22:10
Speaker 1: We have the wide receivers, running backs. So they try
22:13
Speaker 1: to break it up for us over for a day.
22:15
Speaker 1: Say it's a lot of guys coming through, and we're
22:16
Speaker 1: talking with three hundred plus guys coming through. You know,
22:19
Speaker 1: most guys get at least one or two MRIs or
22:21
Speaker 1: X rays, and so you're just I mean, next week,
22:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the mornings. That's all I'm gonna
22:25
Speaker 1: be doing is looking at these MRIs and finishing up
22:27
Speaker 1: the evaluations. So I'm ready for the draft. Have you ever?
22:29
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to break your heart fail guys
22:32
Speaker 1: when you do that. I mean it can you know?
22:34
Speaker 1: Or or when you see a guy with an injury,
22:37
Speaker 1: where you thinking, hey, guys, probably gonna be shortly I mean,
22:41
Speaker 1: I guess emotionally, as a doctor, you got to do
22:43
Speaker 1: your job, but your heart has to go out to
22:45
Speaker 1: somebody who who you just know physically is gonna have
22:48
Speaker 1: trouble holding up. Yeah, And the guys that come in
22:50
Speaker 1: and do the presentations that they do a good job
22:52
Speaker 1: of getting us the information. But I always look at
22:54
Speaker 1: the player when when someone's getting a report like his
22:57
Speaker 1: knee is severely arthritic and it's bone on bone, You know,
23:00
Speaker 1: does that player really know what that means because he
23:03
Speaker 1: you know, does he know does he or his agent know,
23:05
Speaker 1: you know, what that what that does to him? So yeah,
23:08
Speaker 1: I mean these are because this is their dreams, their
23:10
Speaker 1: refer you know, to get into the NFL. But most
23:12
Speaker 1: of all you're doing is present in facts. You're not
23:13
Speaker 1: passing opinion. But it's still tough. Correct absolutely, And then
23:16
Speaker 1: there's a level of risk. Right there may be a
23:18
Speaker 1: guy that has a bad knee or an arthritic knee
23:20
Speaker 1: and he's a good player and someone's gonna take take
23:23
Speaker 1: him as on a chance you know that he may
23:25
Speaker 1: make it. Will you make it through that first contract
23:27
Speaker 1: to the second contract? You know, the Jaguars this past
23:30
Speaker 1: year use the fewest amount of players in the NFL
23:34
Speaker 1: sixty one players touched the field. That was the fewest
23:37
Speaker 1: in the regular season. So I mean credit to you
23:40
Speaker 1: and your staff, Jeff Ferguson, the VP of Player Health
23:43
Speaker 1: and Performance, the athletic training staff underneath him, collective effort, yes,
23:48
Speaker 1: to work on the Jaguars roster, but also the Jaguars
23:52
Speaker 1: players for having to do some things on their own
23:54
Speaker 1: as well. It's a it's a full team effort, not
23:56
Speaker 1: just the staff involved. That's a big piece of it.
23:59
Speaker 1: But the players have to buy into that as well.
24:01
Speaker 1: I mean it starts with them. They're taking care of
24:03
Speaker 1: their bodies. They know what they need to do. And
24:04
Speaker 1: these guys, this team is you know, you guys know,
24:06
Speaker 1: they're just different. They want to be there, they want
24:08
Speaker 1: to get better. And then you have Jeff, you have
24:10
Speaker 1: Ferd that's just does a great job and making sure
24:12
Speaker 1: the players are taking care of and are treated appropriately.
24:15
Speaker 1: What you know, injuries are going to happen, right and
24:17
Speaker 1: not every injury is is going to be cut and dry.
24:19
Speaker 1: There's a there's a kind of a gray zone. Can
24:21
Speaker 1: you play with this and what can we do to
24:23
Speaker 1: get you as good as possible without putting you at risk.
24:26
Speaker 1: And then there's a coach, right and the coach has
24:28
Speaker 1: to do a great job and making sure that throughout
24:30
Speaker 1: the season you're not practicing like you were in July,
24:33
Speaker 1: come December and January and hopefully you know farther. And
24:37
Speaker 1: I think Doug is very Maybe it's because he was
24:39
Speaker 1: a player and he knows the grind. He really took
24:41
Speaker 1: care of the players and that makes our job easier
24:44
Speaker 1: because they're not coming in with their you know, no
24:46
Speaker 1: legs and tired and cramping, and cramping leads to injury,
24:50
Speaker 1: and so you're you hit the nail on the head.
24:52
Speaker 1: It's a it's a group effort in terms of keeping
24:54
Speaker 1: guys healthy on the field. Emphasize that last part for me,
24:57
Speaker 1: if you will, because I've heard from a lot of
24:59
Speaker 1: people over the years. Certain coaches will run their guys
25:02
Speaker 1: and as much as they want to be a players coach,
25:07
Speaker 1: they just are going to run their guys out there.
25:09
Speaker 1: But the importance of the head coach understanding that these
25:13
Speaker 1: guys have to be rested at the proper times. I've
25:17
Speaker 1: heard from different medical people over the years that that
25:19
Speaker 1: can be everything to keep in a team healthy. I
25:21
Speaker 1: think it's the most important pact. But because the problem
25:23
Speaker 1: is is you know, as me as a physician or
25:26
Speaker 1: as athletic trainers, and we have a job and we're
25:28
Speaker 1: not there to say, coach this way or run this
25:31
Speaker 1: a certain way. So part of that I think the
25:34
Speaker 1: coach has to know and understand, and I think Doug
25:36
Speaker 1: just gets you know, he really does. And that's it's
25:39
Speaker 1: It's makes our lives a lot easier, you know, hydrating
25:41
Speaker 1: and eating right. But if you go into a game
25:44
Speaker 1: on Sunday and then you run so hard, and you know,
25:46
Speaker 1: come Monday and Wednesday and Thursday, then you're going to
25:48
Speaker 1: the next week and it's just a cumulative wear on
25:50
Speaker 1: the body. And that's a seasons A full grind, certainly
25:54
Speaker 1: is it's well a full grind really eleven months of
25:57
Speaker 1: the year in the NFL. It kind of continues now.
25:59
Speaker 1: Players are all off, they'll be back the offseason programs
26:01
Speaker 1: right around the corner, and we're here at the Combine,
26:04
Speaker 1: the big flagpole event of the year. And we appreciate
26:06
Speaker 1: your time. I know you're busy these days and nights
26:09
Speaker 1: and early mornings, and we'll do it again soon. Cap
26:14
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it guys. Thanks Doctor Kevin Kamplin
26:16
Speaker 1: with us from Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute from Indianapolis. Coming up
26:21
Speaker 1: shortly in just a moment. In fact, it's Kirk Morrison
26:24
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27:11
Speaker 1: next guest, a host on Sirius XM NFL Radio, former
27:16
Speaker 1: NFL linebacker Kirk Morris and joining us now former Jaguars. Well,
27:21
Speaker 1: Kirk is great to see you, man, what's up? I'm
27:23
Speaker 1: doing great man, grab to join you guys. What a
27:25
Speaker 1: great week this has been so far and now to
27:28
Speaker 1: finally getting the guys out there competing on the field.
27:30
Speaker 1: This is honestly what we came here for, right, Yeah,
27:33
Speaker 1: I mean well it's actually two different events at pis, right,
27:36
Speaker 1: the coaches and gms early in the week, correct, and
27:39
Speaker 1: then you know, if you're the Jaguars, at least covering
27:42
Speaker 1: the Jaguars picking twenty fourth. I mean yeah, it's hard
27:45
Speaker 1: to kind of pinpoint some things in that stadium. Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, JP. It's it's a lot because
27:50
Speaker 1: everyone kind of gets the state of the Union address
27:53
Speaker 1: for each franchise, you know, general manager, head coach. They
27:57
Speaker 1: come out and talk and you're sort of recapping last
28:01
Speaker 1: season because now we have time for everyone to trying
28:05
Speaker 1: to evaluate what happened and now what do we need
28:08
Speaker 1: to look forward to, And everybody says, hey, well, this
28:10
Speaker 1: is what you guys need to improve on. You guys
28:13
Speaker 1: got to go get a receiver, you gotta go get
28:14
Speaker 1: a running back, a linebacker, defensive vent and so it's
28:18
Speaker 1: always fun to come to INDE and get the sort
28:21
Speaker 1: of the state of the union of where the team
28:23
Speaker 1: is at. They won't tell you who they're going to pick,
28:25
Speaker 1: but obviously how do you feel about certain players? On
28:28
Speaker 1: your roster as we also get ready to hit free agency. Yeah,
28:31
Speaker 1: there's a little bit too obviously that it's the first
28:34
Speaker 1: time most media has talked to most of these guys
28:36
Speaker 1: since they've been in the bunker and really looked back
28:39
Speaker 1: on what they really did. You know, they look at
28:44
Speaker 1: tape week to week, but they started to do a
28:46
Speaker 1: deep dive with what they need and then they come out,
28:49
Speaker 1: Kirk and they tell you nothing. Yeah. I mean the
28:53
Speaker 1: stories I write from here are always yeah, there's a
28:56
Speaker 1: pretty good lead, and then they'll say, yeah, we need
28:57
Speaker 1: to get better at X. But then they really never
28:59
Speaker 1: go into very much. But you don't expect that story
29:02
Speaker 1: of the Dog and Pony Show. If he will, Kirk not.
29:05
Speaker 1: Every player he's been with the Jaguars in the last
29:07
Speaker 1: twenty years has great memories. But I know your two
29:10
Speaker 1: thousand and ten seasons he spent with him. Tell me
29:13
Speaker 1: just the best memory you have in that season. Because
29:16
Speaker 1: there was an underrated season. I think a lot of
29:18
Speaker 1: fans have forgotten how good that team was or almost was.
29:22
Speaker 1: That team was the best team that I've actually played
29:24
Speaker 1: on the National Football League. I played eight years in
29:26
Speaker 1: the league, and that twenty ten team was was one.
29:29
Speaker 1: I still have lifelong friendships for playing one year in Jacksonville,
29:33
Speaker 1: and I was so upset. I wanted to play a lot,
29:35
Speaker 1: a lot longer because not only did I even being
29:38
Speaker 1: able to embrace the Jacksonville community, the people, the fan base.
29:43
Speaker 1: It was so fun. And David Garrard was an exceptional quarterback.
29:46
Speaker 1: He played outstanding that year. Uh, Josh Scobee sco Scobie Bryant,
29:52
Speaker 1: you know, because he was just automatic that year. Yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: I think he kicks Homedy in a row. He was outstanding.
29:59
Speaker 1: But Maurice Jones drew a guy who you know, we
30:01
Speaker 1: grew up in the same area in northern California. Yeah, kid, Yeah,
30:05
Speaker 1: And so to be able to be on a team
30:07
Speaker 1: with him, and to think that Marcedes Lewis in the
30:10
Speaker 1: career that he had a career still playing, He had
30:14
Speaker 1: a career year, you know, a career year Pro Bowl
30:17
Speaker 1: year for him in twenty ten. And the coaches, obviously
30:20
Speaker 1: Jack del Rio, but you see some of the other
30:21
Speaker 1: coaches and what they've been able to do that were
30:23
Speaker 1: on that staff. Corey Unland has been an outstanding coach.
30:27
Speaker 1: You look at some of the offensive mine, Todd Monkin
30:30
Speaker 1: who was now the offensive coordinator in Baltimore, and he
30:34
Speaker 1: was the receiver's coacher, and so you had all of
30:37
Speaker 1: these I mean, head coach of Michigan State, right was
30:42
Speaker 1: Del Tucker. That was our decourt. So I had all
30:45
Speaker 1: of these offensive minds and people who are around us,
30:48
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, wow, this is unbelievable. But it was
30:51
Speaker 1: such a good season. I wish we could have finished
30:54
Speaker 1: it off. We went eight and eight. We had an
30:56
Speaker 1: opportunity but still paid Manning was paid Manning, and we
30:59
Speaker 1: had a game that allowed us, if we beat you know,
31:03
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts in a week I believe it was
31:06
Speaker 1: thirteen at the time, we win the division. And we
31:10
Speaker 1: lose that matchup, and we didn't finish the job down
31:13
Speaker 1: the stretch and so we lost. But man, you mentioned
31:15
Speaker 1: it one of the great seasons that I know I've
31:17
Speaker 1: had a chance to play in my career. And two
31:19
Speaker 1: of the most unreal memories that year job that was
31:21
Speaker 1: the Scobie year, the fifty eight yard against Andy, and
31:24
Speaker 1: it was the Hail Mary so Mary during years yeah
31:28
Speaker 1: against the Texans David Gerrard to Mike Thomas to hell Mary.
31:33
Speaker 1: Um just unbelievable memory. And I remember also too, I
31:36
Speaker 1: had one memory was that, you know, I was traded
31:38
Speaker 1: from the Oakland Raiders at the time, and then you know,
31:41
Speaker 1: we were down I think at halftime couple scores, and
31:44
Speaker 1: we come back in the second half and David Garrard
31:47
Speaker 1: throws a deep bomb and I believe it was Hagen
31:51
Speaker 1: or so whoever it was, catches it and we went
31:54
Speaker 1: on to route the Raiders in a game that was
31:56
Speaker 1: so close, but it was so fun. Kirk Morrison with
31:58
Speaker 1: a serious XMFL radio Channel eighty eight. They've got a
32:02
Speaker 1: big set here at the Indiana Convention Center, all right,
32:05
Speaker 1: So the Jaguars organization the last five years, let's just
32:08
Speaker 1: start there. You can go back a little further than that.
32:10
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of ups and downs. Right Division
32:13
Speaker 1: title in twenty seventeen. Doug Brone's a head coach. Blake
32:15
Speaker 1: Bortles is a quarterback at all time defense in Jacksonville
32:19
Speaker 1: that it disintegrates starting in twenty eighteen. It hits rock
32:22
Speaker 1: bottom with the Urban Meyer regime and everything that happened there.
32:26
Speaker 1: It's quickly starting to ramp back up, obviously with Peterson
32:29
Speaker 1: and Lawrence and the free agent editions last year. It's
32:33
Speaker 1: kind of common ways, but this one feels a little
32:35
Speaker 1: more sustainable, doesn't it. Yeah, sustainable. I mean the errodefinitely
32:39
Speaker 1: is pointing up and I think what happens what happened
32:42
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two was a year ahead. I think
32:46
Speaker 1: this football team is a year ahead and where they
32:49
Speaker 1: expected it to be. This was a football team at
32:52
Speaker 1: one point, I believe was it one in six right
32:55
Speaker 1: twenty six, right after the game in London and you're like, okay,
32:59
Speaker 1: you scratch your head a little bit and say, oh,
33:01
Speaker 1: same old Jaguars. And then something clicked, and I think
33:04
Speaker 1: it was because the belief that Doug Peterson has brought.
33:06
Speaker 1: I think there was from people who I've talked to
33:09
Speaker 1: also within the organization that Trevor Lawrence something happened, Like
33:14
Speaker 1: they like he took over this football team and said, look,
33:18
Speaker 1: it's going to be on me how we finish and
33:21
Speaker 1: how we have a successful season. And everybody bought in.
33:25
Speaker 1: The talent has always been here, but it was putting
33:28
Speaker 1: everything together and also having that belief, Like having that
33:33
Speaker 1: belief is how you win games against the Dallas Cowboys
33:36
Speaker 1: like the Jaguars this year having belief in games down
33:39
Speaker 1: the stretch that hey, we are a good football team
33:42
Speaker 1: and we can do the things that we expect to.
33:45
Speaker 1: We can be down twenty seven points in a wild
33:48
Speaker 1: card game and find a way to come back. That's
33:51
Speaker 1: what I saw from this football team this year. But
33:53
Speaker 1: it really started with the quarterback. Everything that you mentioned
33:56
Speaker 1: just about the last five years, I think it changes
33:59
Speaker 1: because you have the guy who you believe in and
34:02
Speaker 1: the guy pulling you know, that's taking the snaps from center,
34:05
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence. He's been outstanding this year and you
34:08
Speaker 1: just think that how he brings the most gets the
34:11
Speaker 1: best out of everybody on this round. He got the
34:14
Speaker 1: best out of Evan Ingram, right, Christian Kirk. People questioned
34:17
Speaker 1: the offseason acquisition in terms of the money that will
34:20
Speaker 1: spent on Christian Kirk, but you talk about production, he
34:23
Speaker 1: gave your production. And then the offensive line too, right,
34:26
Speaker 1: think about that just how they came along this season.
34:30
Speaker 1: So to me, this is a team that's a year
34:32
Speaker 1: ahead and they can only imagine what they will do
34:35
Speaker 1: this offseason to create more competition in some safe because
34:39
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's not a long winning answer, but it's
34:42
Speaker 1: it's fun to look at them now because they don't
34:45
Speaker 1: go into an off season of need. You're like were
34:49
Speaker 1: last year, Like it's like, Okay, they need a receiver,
34:52
Speaker 1: they need a playmaking tight end, they need a couple
34:54
Speaker 1: of linebackers to come in and tackle, they need keep going.
34:58
Speaker 1: There's a long list of need and you got a
35:01
Speaker 1: lot of those needs answered. You went out and grab
35:04
Speaker 1: some corners. You got Foyer, and you know the linebackers
35:07
Speaker 1: who came and played. You got some guys off the
35:09
Speaker 1: edge that are now creating a little bit of havoc.
35:11
Speaker 1: You already had Josh, but now you got some people
35:13
Speaker 1: around him to help him out. You got an offensive
35:15
Speaker 1: line that play outstanding. And oh, by the way, whoever
35:18
Speaker 1: you put in the backfield didn't matter if you got
35:20
Speaker 1: a guy off the streets who just got released or
35:22
Speaker 1: you got a guy in a trade. Everybody knew their
35:25
Speaker 1: role and they played their role. And that's why I
35:27
Speaker 1: think that the team now was more about adding the
35:30
Speaker 1: depth rather than adding a need. You follow the league
35:33
Speaker 1: from a broader perspective way to so. Doug Peterson talked
35:37
Speaker 1: a lot this year about not only the difference that
35:40
Speaker 1: he expect to see in Trevor in the second year
35:43
Speaker 1: of his scheme. Yes, but in that entire team, you
35:45
Speaker 1: think about so many new guys last year kerk Ingram
35:48
Speaker 1: on defense Luke, I mean, I would say the entire
35:51
Speaker 1: team was new, but the cores very much came together
35:54
Speaker 1: last year and your experience as a player and then
35:56
Speaker 1: following it, how much better does a team usually get
36:00
Speaker 1: in that second year and everything because they'll be in
36:02
Speaker 1: their second year the defensive scheme, offensive scheme, and these
36:05
Speaker 1: core players playing in it. It strikes me that that's
36:08
Speaker 1: where the jomp comes from. I've always compared it to
36:12
Speaker 1: that freshman year of high school where you get to
36:15
Speaker 1: school and you're looking around your wide eyed. You can't
36:17
Speaker 1: find your locker, I don't know where I'm gonna sit
36:20
Speaker 1: at for lunch. Ye, I'm trying to find the classes everything.
36:26
Speaker 1: And then after that freshman year, you get till the
36:28
Speaker 1: sophomore year, and then you're now you're an upper classman
36:31
Speaker 1: and you know what's expected of you. You know where
36:33
Speaker 1: my locker is, I know where I like to eat lunch,
36:35
Speaker 1: and I know everything about the school because I've been
36:38
Speaker 1: around it. It's the same thing in the National Football
36:40
Speaker 1: League that freshman year is one of those years John,
36:43
Speaker 1: in which you're like that rookie year. It's every or
36:45
Speaker 1: that first year together. It's learning, it's understanding what's the expectation.
36:50
Speaker 1: It was difficult for me in my career, very difficult
36:53
Speaker 1: because I played for six head coaches in eight years.
36:56
Speaker 1: Six wow. So every year for me, the plosophy or
37:00
Speaker 1: the culture had to change, and you're learning, Hey, what's
37:03
Speaker 1: the new expectation of a new head coach. So when
37:07
Speaker 1: you have the same head coach for multiple years, and
37:10
Speaker 1: I didn't have that happen honestly until my last part
37:13
Speaker 1: of my career when I got to Buffalo. But I
37:16
Speaker 1: knew what the expectation was. I knew that what the
37:19
Speaker 1: coach wanted for me, The team knew what the coach wanted,
37:22
Speaker 1: and there was no surprises. You knew how practice was
37:25
Speaker 1: going to be ran, you knew where, how the extra
37:28
Speaker 1: time that you can put in to be a better player,
37:30
Speaker 1: all of that. And so now when Trevor Lawrence comes
37:34
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, he's got the built in
37:35
Speaker 1: audibles that he maybe didn't have in year one, or
37:38
Speaker 1: on defense, you have the audibles and the things that
37:42
Speaker 1: a great play call from coach, but you know what
37:44
Speaker 1: not none of let's check it. Let's check to a
37:46
Speaker 1: different coverage that gets us in a better situation to
37:48
Speaker 1: get us to the next down. That's what year two
37:51
Speaker 1: in the system, not just offensively but also defensively helps
37:55
Speaker 1: you out. Now with this Jaguar's team, Kirk Morrison with
37:58
Speaker 1: a serious XM and Fell Radio final thought with you
38:01
Speaker 1: here and thanks again for the time. You know the Bills,
38:05
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yes, Jaguars are kind of in that mix obviously.
38:09
Speaker 1: I mean there's a bunch of teams now in the
38:11
Speaker 1: AFC that have top tier quarterbacks, They've got pass rushers.
38:17
Speaker 1: I mean, this is as competitive as I can remember
38:20
Speaker 1: the conference being since I've been in. This will be
38:23
Speaker 1: season twelve. I'm sure there have been other competitive times.
38:26
Speaker 1: There's other great quarterbacks, but compared to what the NFC
38:30
Speaker 1: has to offer right now, right, AFC is tough. But
38:32
Speaker 1: the Jags are right there in the mix. Obviously, they
38:34
Speaker 1: went toe to toe with the Chiefs in the divisional round.
38:38
Speaker 1: They got a taste of it, right. So every year
38:42
Speaker 1: we always thought the cliche, you win your division, you
38:44
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. Well, the Jaguars did that last
38:47
Speaker 1: year they won their division, but they got a chance
38:50
Speaker 1: to see the next step that needs to be taken
38:53
Speaker 1: out to be a true contender in the AFC. They
38:56
Speaker 1: got a chance to go to Kansas City and to
38:59
Speaker 1: be all honor. They played a hell of a football game.
39:02
Speaker 1: There was moments where they could have actually changed the
39:04
Speaker 1: tide of that game, and we wouldn't don't. I wouldn't
39:07
Speaker 1: have been a surprise I had they won because they
39:09
Speaker 1: had that mindset of where underdogs all that. They won't
39:12
Speaker 1: be underdogs anymore. I think because of the way they
39:15
Speaker 1: played this year, they're gonna be a much different team
39:17
Speaker 1: that people will be looked at. But in two years
39:21
Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, he is the best quarterback in the
39:24
Speaker 1: AFC South right now. Right now, he starts at the top.
39:28
Speaker 1: This division seems to be the Jaguars Division by quarterback already.
39:33
Speaker 1: He is that when you put the matchup of against
39:35
Speaker 1: the Texans or the Colts or the Titans right now,
39:38
Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback. That's the box that you already have.
39:41
Speaker 1: So if you have that piece for you already, that's
39:45
Speaker 1: what makes you excited about getting back to the tournament
39:48
Speaker 1: next year. And then you know what's expected because you
39:51
Speaker 1: mentioned those other quarterbacks, those other teams that have been
39:54
Speaker 1: in that contention for the last three or four years.
39:56
Speaker 1: But the only thing is what the NFL presents is
39:58
Speaker 1: that one of those teams have to f all because
40:01
Speaker 1: there's always a team on the rise. Cincinnati has been
40:03
Speaker 1: that team the last couple of years that had kind
40:06
Speaker 1: of rolls and they've dropped Buffalo, who's been there the
40:08
Speaker 1: last couple of years. It's it's been a fun, fun
40:11
Speaker 1: couple of the last four or five years, this new
40:14
Speaker 1: era of quarterbacks. Right, you mentioned Tom Brady leaving out
40:17
Speaker 1: of the league and all of a sudden, this influx
40:20
Speaker 1: of youth of good quarterbacks. I mean, I just was
40:24
Speaker 1: watching the looking at the AFC Pro Bowl quarterbacks, right,
40:28
Speaker 1: I was in Vegas to uh, you know, doing some
40:31
Speaker 1: interviews down there in the Pro Bowl and talk to
40:33
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and to see and Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, right,
40:38
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, justin Herbert and think about how
40:42
Speaker 1: far too has been pushed down, right, Yeah, I think
40:45
Speaker 1: this is this is the same conference that has Russell Wilson,
40:48
Speaker 1: and yet he's not even in the top ten in
40:52
Speaker 1: the in the conference, but Russell Wilson's not even the
40:54
Speaker 1: top ten I think in quarterbacks in the conference. That's
40:57
Speaker 1: how good it is. But I think that's where the
40:59
Speaker 1: Jaguars have put themselves in a position because of the
41:02
Speaker 1: added pieces and weapons for their quarterback. Kirk, great stuff,
41:07
Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time. Glad to see you're doing well,
41:09
Speaker 1: and we'll see you down the line. J P. John
41:11
Speaker 1: At anytime, fellas anytime, Kirk Morrison, sirius XM NFL Radio.
41:16
Speaker 1: Plenty to come. We'll wrap it up from Endy after this,
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday afternoon. Glad you're long with us. Busy
42:13
Speaker 1: show today Pete Prisco with US doctor Kevin Kaplin joining
42:16
Speaker 1: us earlier. Kirk Morrison from Sirius XIM. Good to hear
42:20
Speaker 1: from Kirk, former Jaguar for one season at least twenty ten.
42:23
Speaker 1: You made the point a pretty good season until it
42:26
Speaker 1: wasn't the best season. They had some good moments here,
42:29
Speaker 1: but good to see him doing well and doing big
42:31
Speaker 1: things on sirius XM ESPN College football as well. He's
42:36
Speaker 1: all over the place. Yeah, and he was by far
42:38
Speaker 1: the tallest of our three guest today. Kirk more easy,
42:42
Speaker 1: It's easily. Yes. Yeah. I missed covering Kirk by a year.
42:48
Speaker 1: And I actually I was still in indian twenty ten
42:51
Speaker 1: when he was had his loan Jaguars season and I
42:55
Speaker 1: was doing some work for multiple publications the time. Actually
42:59
Speaker 1: spoke to him on the phone that you're about the
43:01
Speaker 1: Jaguars season, and the story at mid season was what
43:06
Speaker 1: a surprising, unbelievable successful season and had they closed that
43:11
Speaker 1: season out by beating the Colts up in Indianapolis, which
43:13
Speaker 1: they had a chance to do. It would be remembered
43:15
Speaker 1: up there with some of the fondest seasons because of
43:18
Speaker 1: that Scobie game, the fifty nine yard field goal. People
43:21
Speaker 1: remember the Hail Mary game. They went over to Dallas
43:25
Speaker 1: and blew them out one week I think so, I
43:27
Speaker 1: mean there were some It's like so many teams. Teams
43:30
Speaker 1: have seasons that are sort of forgotten a little bit,
43:33
Speaker 1: and I think that twenty ten season, not having covered it,
43:36
Speaker 1: but having talked to people about it, it's one of
43:39
Speaker 1: those seasons that some people remember fondly, and it was
43:42
Speaker 1: good to talk to Kirk about that. All right, let's
43:44
Speaker 1: rehash some of the I guess news of the day
43:47
Speaker 1: reports today that the Jags are expected to use the
43:50
Speaker 1: franchise tag on Evan Ingram. That would be just over
43:53
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars, and as you mentioned and we mentioned
43:56
Speaker 1: with Pete, I mean, it feels like that's always kind
43:59
Speaker 1: of bit then the picture, if needed, that might just
44:02
Speaker 1: buy them a little more time to get a long
44:04
Speaker 1: term deal done. I think July fifteenth would be the
44:07
Speaker 1: deadline if they were to tag him. They haven't officially
44:09
Speaker 1: tagged him yet they were expected to according to reports.
44:12
Speaker 1: We'll see, but this just feels like just extending it
44:16
Speaker 1: out in time to make a deal for Evan Ingram,
44:19
Speaker 1: as Trent Bulky said, they want him. Evan Ingram centered
44:22
Speaker 1: on interviews in the last couple of weeks he wants
44:24
Speaker 1: to be here. He wouldn't mind the franchise tag, he
44:26
Speaker 1: said that himself and one of those just because he
44:28
Speaker 1: would see it as an extension to make a long
44:32
Speaker 1: term deal. So this one feels like it's just elementary.
44:34
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Yeah, if there's been a theme
44:36
Speaker 1: of the all seasons so far, We've talked about it,
44:39
Speaker 1: even some of the guests for the Jaguars has been
44:42
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the Roy Robertson Harrison extension, everything
44:49
Speaker 1: feels more clerical, if you will. And when I say clerical,
44:54
Speaker 1: I mean the restructurings. They're moving money around the cap,
44:58
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really affect what the players are making
45:00
Speaker 1: and it doesn't affect the team. It's keeping it together.
45:04
Speaker 1: So it hasn't been a very newsworthy offseason yet, unless
45:10
Speaker 1: you like following accounting in the NFL. So and I'm
45:14
Speaker 1: not saying as a negative because that's what they wanted.
45:17
Speaker 1: They wanted to keep their guys, they wanted to clear books.
45:20
Speaker 1: So I think Evan Ingram very much fits into that.
45:24
Speaker 1: Everybody you talk to from Evan after the season, when
45:27
Speaker 1: Trent Balky talked about it at a couple of ponies,
45:30
Speaker 1: and people you talked to on the side, there's never
45:32
Speaker 1: been much of a doubt that one way or the
45:34
Speaker 1: other they were going to keep Evan Ingram. The doubt
45:37
Speaker 1: has been more over Juwan Taylor out of those two.
45:40
Speaker 1: And I believe based on just feel from talking to Trent,
45:45
Speaker 1: that at some point they'll get a long term deal
45:48
Speaker 1: done with Evan Ingram, because, as I've written many times,
45:50
Speaker 1: and you read it too often for your sake, when
45:53
Speaker 1: sides want to get something done in this league, and
45:55
Speaker 1: when both sides genuinely want something to happen, it usually
45:59
Speaker 1: gets done. And talking to Evan's it certainly feels like
46:01
Speaker 1: he wants to be here long term. It would behoove
46:05
Speaker 1: him to be here long term and the franchise. My
46:08
Speaker 1: guess is once the Jaguars maybe move le further down
46:12
Speaker 1: the road and figure out exactly what the rest of
46:14
Speaker 1: the cap looks like, then maybe they come back and say, okay,
46:16
Speaker 1: we gotta figure it out. Now we can we know
46:19
Speaker 1: exactly where Evan will fit time to get it done.
46:21
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not that, Maybe it's just a matter of okay,
46:24
Speaker 1: now we can agree on that number. Maybe the John
46:27
Speaker 1: Taylor has something to do with that. Who knows, But
46:30
Speaker 1: sometimes you get the sense with a franchise tag. I've
46:35
Speaker 1: covered guys A four who've been on the tag, and
46:39
Speaker 1: even if they don't say it, there's a little feeling
46:43
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't think you'll have any
46:47
Speaker 1: sort of residual effect from Evan being on the franchise tag.
46:50
Speaker 1: I think it'll just be more logistics. At some point
46:53
Speaker 1: we'll get worked out and if it doesn't, you know,
46:55
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. I think could be happy with that.
46:57
Speaker 1: It's about what he made last year, and it won't.
47:00
Speaker 1: It won't go into another season with him, I wouldn't
47:03
Speaker 1: think so. I think at some point he'll be a
47:04
Speaker 1: long term guy. Here. The availabilities from Trent Fawkey and
47:08
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson from Tuesday available now on Jaguars dot Com.
47:13
Speaker 1: Let's rewind to those a little bit here, John, you
47:15
Speaker 1: can check them all out. Of course, there plenty of
47:17
Speaker 1: interviews throughout the week with other guests out here in
47:20
Speaker 1: Radio Row. Top standouts from each Bulky and Peterson in
47:25
Speaker 1: a rewind of Tuesday, Probably the biggest thing with Doug
47:28
Speaker 1: that struck me was his you know. It was the
47:31
Speaker 1: first thing he said on the podium, and Doug I
47:33
Speaker 1: think thinks about his messaging at times when he speaks,
47:36
Speaker 1: because he knows he's said in a tone for the team.
47:39
Speaker 1: He was very much I want this team to feel
47:42
Speaker 1: and understand the pressure of having to go out there
47:46
Speaker 1: and perform week to week. I think he knows there's
47:48
Speaker 1: going to be higher expectations on a team that won
47:50
Speaker 1: the AFC South. I don't think he has a problem
47:53
Speaker 1: with that. He was very upfront, you know. He didn't say, Hey,
47:57
Speaker 1: we're gonna own the you know, he didn't say anything
47:59
Speaker 1: the bastic, but he certainly made clear that the understands
48:03
Speaker 1: are gonna be expectations and he doesn't mind that. And
48:06
Speaker 1: I think the way he phrased it kind of goes
48:08
Speaker 1: back to I'm you know, in the first year under him,
48:12
Speaker 1: I think it took the team until the second half
48:15
Speaker 1: of the season to understand what it took to prepare
48:18
Speaker 1: each week and to be ready and to go win games.
48:23
Speaker 1: I think that's a natural learning curve. I think it
48:25
Speaker 1: bothered him in October because they weren't winning games, but
48:28
Speaker 1: I think once he saw it in the second half
48:29
Speaker 1: the season, thought Okay, that's how it's supposed to look.
48:32
Speaker 1: But there's also an element of and if he didn't
48:35
Speaker 1: talk about this, some players did on the day after
48:37
Speaker 1: the season or on getaway Day, there's also an element
48:41
Speaker 1: of what it takes all season mentally to be a
48:46
Speaker 1: team that goes it goes and wins in the playoffs.
48:49
Speaker 1: That's what Doug wants, is what the team wants. In
48:51
Speaker 1: that comment, I think that was there too of I
48:54
Speaker 1: expect this team next year to approach the entire season
48:57
Speaker 1: as if we're going to go win that second round game.
49:00
Speaker 1: Plenty of guests coming up, if they haven't posted already
49:03
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com or Jaguars Social media or the
49:06
Speaker 1: podcast network, and the coming days they will, including Peter King,
49:10
Speaker 1: who you caught up with today NBC Sports. Always fantastic
49:13
Speaker 1: and had a chance to listen in to some of
49:15
Speaker 1: that conversation between you two, and you're gonna love it
49:17
Speaker 1: once you hear that coming up with Charles Davis with
49:20
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell. I think that's coming up tomorrow on the
49:22
Speaker 1: podcast Network. Just to name a few. I mean Morristons,
49:25
Speaker 1: Drew caught up him, Jay and I know it was
49:27
Speaker 1: gonna leave somebody out. Yeah. Morris had some great things
49:29
Speaker 1: to say about Shad Khan, about the team as a whole.
49:31
Speaker 1: Morris really locked into the team this year. So his
49:34
Speaker 1: insight into what this team is and was doing was
49:38
Speaker 1: really interesting. And I Peter King, you know, a wealth
49:43
Speaker 1: of knowledge and perspective on the combine. And he caught
49:47
Speaker 1: up with Doug Peterson several times for his Monday Morning
49:50
Speaker 1: I get what he calls the Football Mornings in America.
49:53
Speaker 1: He caught up with him several times. So his insight
49:56
Speaker 1: into Doug and this team I found very interesting. John,
50:00
Speaker 1: well done and enjoyed the week. And we'll talk to
50:02
Speaker 1: you again, I'm sure very soon, probably on the plane tomorrow, Yeah,
50:05
Speaker 1: I guess so, or maybe when we walk out of here.
50:07
Speaker 1: That's John Ozer. Thanks to our special guests today, Pete
50:11
Speaker 1: Frisco of course, Kurt Morris, and doctor Kevin Kaplan. Thanks
50:15
Speaker 1: to our entire crew both here in Indie and back
50:17
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour on the
50:20
Speaker 1: Jaguars Digital Network.