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The Most INSANE Kidnapping Story In History · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Crime. I don't have a second camera here. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: try something else. One sec.
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  Speaker 2: Crime, conspiracy, cults, serial killers, and murder.
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  Speaker 1: All things that I love to consume, and I know
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  Speaker 1: you do too, you sick-minded, intellectual, beautiful freak. In today's video,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to be discussing the disappearance of Stephen Stainer.
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  Speaker 1: And this has to be one of the craziest stories
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  Speaker 1: I think I've ever told on this channel. Typically, when
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  Speaker 1: we cover crime-related topics, it ends up with the person
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  Speaker 1: either being found dead or missing forever. However, this story
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  Speaker 1: has a very unique twist. It involves tragedy and heroism,
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  Speaker 1: and it details a story of one family just trying
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  Speaker 1: to live a normal life after blow after blow. So
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it. Obviously, I want to address, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in Canada right now. I do not have my usual setup,
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  Speaker 1: but it's kind of cozy in here, isn't it? This
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  Speaker 1: is my old office, but I put all my antiquing stuff,
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  Speaker 1: my fun finds that I found in a fireplace. So
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  Speaker 1: we have a little cozy Canadian true crime session right now.
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  Speaker 2: Just had to say that.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I apologize for the audio. Again, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: any of my proper filming equipment. So if it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like ass, it sounds like ass, so. I apologize in advance.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. So who is Stephen Stainer?
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Gregory Stainer was born to parents Delbert and Kay
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  Speaker 1: Stainer on April 18th, 1965 in Merced, California. He had
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  Speaker 1: three sisters and one older brother. And the Stainer family
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  Speaker 1: would live a relatively normal life. until December 4th, 1972,
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  Speaker 1: when everything would change. This family would seemingly never get
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  Speaker 1: any reprieve for the rest of their lives. So on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: December 4th, 1972, seven-year-old Stephen Stainer was on his way
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  Speaker 1: home after school when a stranger approached him. The stranger
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  Speaker 1: claimed to be a man named Irvin Edward Murphy, who
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  Speaker 1: said that he was a church representative and asked local
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  Speaker 1: people if they would be willing to donate to the church.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen said that his mother would be willing to, and
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  Speaker 1: this led Irvin to ask where he lives so he
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  Speaker 1: could get his mother's information. And when Stephen told him
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  Speaker 1: where he lived, that's when a white Buick would pull
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  Speaker 1: up beside them. Stephen would willingly crawl into the back seat,
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  Speaker 1: and this began the traumatic tale of Stephen's statement.
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  Speaker 2: So once Stephen was in the car, he would be.
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  Speaker 1: Driven to a cabin in Cathy's Valley, which was about
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  Speaker 1: half an hour northwest of Merced. And unbeknownst to his family,
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  Speaker 1: he would be held captive here, within proximity to his
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  Speaker 1: own grandfather's home. Now, it is important to know that
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  Speaker 1: Murphy was not working alone. He was actually working with
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  Speaker 1: another person. Eugene Parnell. Kenneth was a troubled man, to
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  Speaker 1: say the least, having a rough youth and spending many
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  Speaker 1: years in prison before kidnapping Stephen. When he was five,
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth's father, Cecil Frederick Parnell, walked out on his mother
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  Speaker 1: and his three siblings. And following this event, Kenneth would
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  Speaker 1: begin a string of crimes, including car theft, arson, leading
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  Speaker 1: to spending many years in juvenile detention.
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  Speaker 2: He's just warming up at this point. Just warming up.
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  Speaker 2: In a newspaper written about Kenneth, it says, he has
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  Speaker 2: shown a peculiar tendency to search for trouble and punishment.
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  Speaker 2: reported Dr. Richard D.
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  Speaker 1: Lauenberg, a psychiatrist who examined Parnell in 1951 at the
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  Speaker 1: behest of the Kern County Superior Court. And Kenneth would
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  Speaker 1: also exhibit strange behavior throughout his life. When he was four-year-old,
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  Speaker 1: he would try to remove his own teeth with his fingers,
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  Speaker 1: despite them not even being loose. I can't even imagine
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  Speaker 1: how hard that would be. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 1: you do it. I don't even like to think about that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even like to think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Like, move on. Moving on.
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  Speaker 1: And around the age of eight or nine, he shot
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  Speaker 1: himself in the abdomen and jumped off the roof of
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  Speaker 1: a barn onto a wooden plank with hundreds of nails
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  Speaker 1: sticking out of it. This guy likes pain, okay? What
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  Speaker 1: do you call that? What do you call that? I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I should know this. I think I looked
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  Speaker 1: it up. A, uh, a masochist. He's a- masochist at
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  Speaker 1: nine years old. And in 1951, when he was 20
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  Speaker 1: years old, Kenneth would lure an eight-year-old boy with a
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  Speaker 1: retired deputy badge he just had lying around from a
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  Speaker 1: thrift store, portraying.
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  Speaker 2: Himself as a police officer, which is Guys just love
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  Speaker 2: to do that. Ted Bundy did it. Who else did it?
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  Speaker 2: Did Kemper maybe?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's a handful of them.
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  Speaker 1: He would then severely SA the young boy and he
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  Speaker 1: would get sentenced to four years in prison. But then
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  Speaker 1: he would escape and then he would be brought back
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  Speaker 1: to serve the rest of his term. So as you
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  Speaker 1: can see, Kenneth was very much not well from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: So it is no surprise that he would continue to
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  Speaker 1: be a... a terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Person for the years to come.
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  Speaker 1: Irvin had met Kenneth at a resort at Yosemite National
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  Speaker 1: Park where they were coworkers. Kenneth would be a nighttime janitor,
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  Speaker 1: perfect job for a psycho kidnapping asshole.
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  Speaker 2: And it is unclear what Irvin's job exactly was.
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  Speaker 1: However, while working, Kenneth was able to convince Irvin to
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  Speaker 1: help him to abduct children so he could quote, raise
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  Speaker 1: him in a religious type deal. What?
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  Speaker 2: I keep wanting to look to my left. I keep
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  Speaker 2: wanting to look over there and say, what?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do that if I want a
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  Speaker 2: second angle from now on.
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  Speaker 1: And when friends and family were asked to describe Irvin,
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  Speaker 1: they said, quote, Those who knew him saw him as
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  Speaker 1: a trusting, naive, and simple-minded man. What a great description
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  Speaker 1: of somebody. If somebody called me a trusting, naive, simple-minded woman,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be.
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  Speaker 2: Offended, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: And Kenneth clearly took advantage of Irvin, given these qualities.
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  Speaker 1: And Kenneth was the one driving that white Buick that
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  Speaker 1: abducted Stephen. And it was also his cabin in Cathy's
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  Speaker 1: Valley that Stephen was taken to. So Irvin would be
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  Speaker 1: left on the sidewalk when Kenneth and Stephen took off
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  Speaker 1: in the Buick. On the very first night that Stephen
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  Speaker 1: was captive, he was unfortunately essayed by Kenneth. And roughly
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  Speaker 1: two weeks later, he would be essayed regularly by Kenneth.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen obviously wanted to go home. He's just a scared
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  Speaker 1: little kid at this point. And I hope this guy's...
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  Speaker 1: I hope these guys have been brought in hell for this.
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  Speaker 1: But his captor would tell Stephen that his parents had
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  Speaker 1: given him legal custody to be his parent and that
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  Speaker 1: they basically just didn't want him anymore. So I can't
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  Speaker 1: even imagine what that would do to a little child,
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  Speaker 1: like psychologically.
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  Speaker 3: The first night they had said they called my parents
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  Speaker 3: and said it was all right that I stayed a night.
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  Speaker 3: The second night they said that they had called them
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  Speaker 3: again and said that I could stay another night. Then
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  Speaker 3: when I went to went out and came back and
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  Speaker 3: said that he went to court and got in possession
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  Speaker 3: of me and said that I was his.
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  Speaker 1: And eventually, Kenneth would change Stephen's name to Dennis Gregory Parnell.
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  Speaker 1: And he would also enroll him into numerous schools while
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  Speaker 1: in captivity, just to remain normal-looking to the rest of society.
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  Speaker 1: And Kenneth would move around California for years. And he
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  Speaker 1: would hold down various jobs, leaving Stephen at home alone
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  Speaker 1: a lot. He also would allow Stephen to drink at
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  Speaker 1: a very young age. And also, he let Stephen freely
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  Speaker 1: leave whenever he really wanted to, but he would always
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  Speaker 1: come back. Stephen stated that he could have left at
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  Speaker 1: any point really, but he just didn't know where to
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  Speaker 1: get help. And a random woman named Barbara Mathiest lived
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  Speaker 1: with Stephen and Kenneth for about a year and a
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  Speaker 1: half while they were in a Santa Rosa area. And
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  Speaker 1: during that time, Barbara claimed that she had no idea
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  Speaker 1: what was happening and fully assumed that Kenneth and Stephen
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  Speaker 1: were father and son.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: And what is even more strange is that Stephen would
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  Speaker 1: tell interviewers that in 1975, Kenneth would instruct Barbara to
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  Speaker 1: lure a young boy into their car just outside Santa
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  Speaker 1: Rosa Boys Club.
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  Speaker 2: But the kidnapping attempt would be unsuccessful. Womp womp. Sounds
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  Speaker 2: like it's not a legend anymore, Barbara.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I find it really hard to believe that
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  Speaker 1: Barbara was completely clueless of what was going on between
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth and Stephen. Despite Stephen calling Kenneth dad, it should
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  Speaker 1: have been obvious by his body language that Stephen was
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  Speaker 1: not comfortable with Kenneth ever, and that the two were
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  Speaker 1: not related because they didn't look alike either. Plus, who
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  Speaker 1: the f- would be willing to go along with a
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  Speaker 1: kidnapping of a child just so nonchalantly, especially if the
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  Speaker 1: person was instructed to do so.
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  Speaker 2: It's in my opinion that she knew what she was
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  Speaker 2: doing and she knew what the was going on.
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  Speaker 4: I've been told that you called him dad. How long
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  Speaker 4: before you started calling him dad? Do you have any
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  Speaker 4: idea when that started?
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  Speaker 3: That started about a week after my abduction.
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  Speaker 4: What were your thoughts during the seven years about your parents?
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  Speaker 4: Did you think about them? And if so, what went
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  Speaker 4: through your mind?
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  Speaker 3: Um, through the seven years, I don't remember what went
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  Speaker 3: through my mind, but I thought of my parents very often.
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  Speaker 1: But Stephen would have to suffer for years in captivity,
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  Speaker 1: traveling around with Kenneth while being violated by him regularly.
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  Speaker 1: It had to be just absolutely torturous and miserable. However,
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  Speaker 1: in early 1980, Stephen would see and take an opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: March 1st, 1980, 14-year-old Stephen would finally escape of the
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  Speaker 1: grasp of his captor and get the help he so
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  Speaker 1: desperately needed.
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  Speaker 2: But he wasn't alone.
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  Speaker 1: As sickening and disgusting as it sounds, Kenneth grew less
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  Speaker 1: interested in Stephen as time went on. Almost as if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't like boys after they hit puberty.
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  Speaker 2: Cause you know, he's a pet.
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  Speaker 5: Parnell and Stephen together realized that Stephen was growing up
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  Speaker 5: and that he was no longer gonna be able to
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  Speaker 5: be controlled by Parnell. Parnell wanted another kid.
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  Speaker 1: So once Stephen hit puberty, Kenneth started to go out
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  Speaker 1: and look for younger boys to kidnap and basically replace him. Furthermore,
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  Speaker 1: as Stephen got older, Kenneth would start to use Stephen
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  Speaker 1: to abduct younger boys, which reminds me of a movie
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  Speaker 1: I really like, because it was really well done, with
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  Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie, The Changeling, which I'm wondering now, Is that? No,
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  Speaker 1: it was based off a different case, nevermind. But The Changeling,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting movie, similar premise. He used boys, this guy
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  Speaker 1: used boys to abduct other boys. And then he would like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it away. You should watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's continue.
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  Speaker 1: So at this point he's using Stephen to do what
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  Speaker 1: Irvin did to Stephen.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I think that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, each time it was unsuccessful because Stephen would
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  Speaker 1: basically purposefully sabotage the attempt every single time. Props to Stephen.
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  Speaker 1: And this led Kenneth to start resenting Stephen. However, in
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  Speaker 1: February 1980, Stephen and a friend, Randall Poorman, would kidnap
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  Speaker 1: a five-year-old boy named Timothy White. in the city of Ukiah, California.
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  Speaker 1: So on the night of March 1st, Kenneth would leave
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  Speaker 1: for his job as night security, as he usually did.
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  Speaker 1: And this basically meant that Stephen and Timmy were now alone. However,
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  Speaker 1: as mentioned previously, this wasn't abnormal at all. It happened
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  Speaker 1: all the time. But Stephen would grab Timmy and they
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  Speaker 1: would hitchhike into nearby Ukiah, where he would try to
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  Speaker 1: find Timmy's house. So after searching for a while, he couldn't,
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  Speaker 1: so ended up going to a police station. And when questioned,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen would say.
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  Speaker 2: Quote unquote, I know my first name is Stephen.
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  Speaker 1: And this line would become infamous after he was brought
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  Speaker 1: home and the media coverage began to look into the case.
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  Speaker 2: I know my first name is Steven. And that became
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  Speaker 2: the title of a book.
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  Speaker 3: It became a television movie and it made Steven famous.
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  Speaker 6: Seven long years ago, a youngster in California vanished.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone thought he was dead at this point. He'd rescued
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  Speaker 2: another boy. This is Stephen today.
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  Speaker 1: He is holding five-year-old Timothy White.
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  Speaker 2: Who could make this up?
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  Speaker 7: Every television network, every magazine cover, every movie executive, there
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  Speaker 7: wasn't anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Not interest.
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  Speaker 1: So on March 2nd, Purnell would be arrested from his
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  Speaker 1: job and be charged with abduction.
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  Speaker 2: And luckily, both children would be reunited with their families.
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  Speaker 2: And Parnell would, thank God, be convicted of two counts
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  Speaker 2: of kidnapping. So he was sentenced to seven years and
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  Speaker 2: parole after five.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: It's just not enough time. It's just not enough. Not
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  Speaker 2: even close. He kidnapped a child and did awful things
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  Speaker 2: to him for years. I don't understand the justice system,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Because Parnell would not be charged for SA that occurred
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  Speaker 1: in Merced County since... He was apprehended in Mendocino County
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  Speaker 1: and he was outside of the statue of limitation. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense, but still kidnapping is only
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  Speaker 1: seven years, especially for the length of time that he
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  Speaker 1: had Steven.
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  Speaker 2: Like, are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: Irving Murphy and Randall Poorman would be convicted of lesser
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  Speaker 1: charges for aiding in kidnapping of both children. And Steven
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  Speaker 1: would recall that Murphy was extremely kind to him when
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  Speaker 1: he was first held captive and told investigators that he
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  Speaker 1: believed that Murphy was as much a victim as he was,
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  Speaker 1: which like, it's hard because I understand to a certain degree,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe the same thing happened to Irvin. I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure. We're not sure like that happened
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  Speaker 1: to Steven. He was groomed and then made to kidnap people. So,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just that Stockholm syndrome. Like when you're a child,
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  Speaker 1: they're so easily moldable, you know, and easy to take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of. Unfortunately, I don't know. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to feel about like Irvin Murphy and stuff. I do
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  Speaker 1: think that he was a victim.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you got to know what's right
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  Speaker 1: and wrong. You know, you see other kids not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think it's like not good to do. But then
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  Speaker 1: I understand also that you're horribly afraid of Kenneth. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but the case of Steven Stainer is a very traumatic
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  Speaker 1: yet brave tale of a boy who persevered through horrible
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  Speaker 1: conditions while saving another from the same fate.
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  Speaker 3: The car pulled up and I got in and they,
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  Speaker 3: they passed the road that I was, that I lived on.
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  Speaker 3: I had told them that that was the road I
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  Speaker 3: lived on. They said that we'll just call your parents
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  Speaker 3: and see if you can stay the night.
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  Speaker 4: Were you afraid?
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  Speaker 2: Not that much.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And the case would absolutely blow up on the news
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  Speaker 1: and attract lots and lots of media attention, leading to
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  Speaker 1: Stephen and Timmy gaining some fame. So as soon as
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  Speaker 1: Stephen was returned to his family, he actually began touring
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  Speaker 1: around the nation to different morning shows and numerous interviews
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  Speaker 1: in front of his family home, which I can't even
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  Speaker 1: imagine that, like, after going through that as a kid, still, like,
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  Speaker 1: he's 14, and then having to.
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  Speaker 2: Do all that, like... nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: So over the past seven years, Stephen had been living
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  Speaker 1: in the shadows, just yearning to escape. But now that
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  Speaker 1: he's free and was thrust into the spotlight, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of became unavoidable. And on Good Morning America, Stephen was
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  Speaker 1: asked if his parents had changed at all, if he
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  Speaker 1: recognized his siblings and things like that, all while his
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  Speaker 1: lawyer was present. And while it was great to have
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  Speaker 1: Stephen back home, he really, really struggled to get back
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  Speaker 1: into normal life. He was used to being an only child,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, so having to share a room with
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  Speaker 1: his brother, Carrie, and share things with his other siblings
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  Speaker 1: was just relatively a new concept for him. People believed
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  Speaker 1: that his siblings were happy to see him. However, it
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  Speaker 1: was believed that Carrie, his older brother, wasn't too keen
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  Speaker 1: on sharing a room with him.
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  Speaker 3: But if you look in the background, there's something worth noting,
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  Speaker 3: and it's Carrie in his baseball cap, and he's not.
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  Speaker 1: Smiling at all. And when Steven returned to school, he
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely ostracized by his peers. Not only because cameras
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  Speaker 1: constantly surrounded him, but the public knew that he had
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  Speaker 1: been taken advantage of by an old freak. So his
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  Speaker 1: peers would question his sexuality and even infer that he
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Like, kids are so- And I know it
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  Speaker 1: was like a different time. I mean, kids still do
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  Speaker 1: that even now, but oh my God, like I can't
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  Speaker 1: even imagine the life. Like that life is insane. Like
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  Speaker 1: so much sympathy goes out to him and his family
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  Speaker 1: and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Like I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 1: This would obviously cause Steven to drop out of high
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  Speaker 1: school and start drinking, leading to a very strained relationship
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  Speaker 1: with his father who would inevitably kick him out of
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  Speaker 1: his home. And in an interview with Newsweek, Steven told
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  Speaker 1: reporters that his father would refuse to hug him once
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  Speaker 1: he was home and that.
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  Speaker 2: The cameras were away, which is so.
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  Speaker 1: You would think that after losing your child for seven years,
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  Speaker 1: you'd show a little bit of compassion. But his father
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  Speaker 1: is almost as much as a heartless monster as Parnell,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. Stephen would say in an interview, It's
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  Speaker 1: so sad. So Stephen would continue dealing with reporters and
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  Speaker 1: cameras for years and years after the trials.
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  Speaker 2: But in 1985, he would get married to a 17
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  Speaker 2: year old named Jody Edmondson, and he would have two children,
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  Speaker 2: Steven Jr. and Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: His family would live in Merced, California, the place where
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  Speaker 1: he was abducted, and he would work at a pizza shop.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: And on the side, Steven would work with a child
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: abduction group, basically to aid in the search for missing
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: children and prevent more from disappearing. So basically he's a However,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: on September 16th, 1989, on his way home from work,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Stephen's motorcycle would collide with Antonio LeRae's car and it
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: would kill him almost instantly. So once again, the Stainer
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: family would lose their child in another tragic event. Except
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: this time, it was not only his parents who lost
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a son. It was siblings who lost a brother, a
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: wife who lost a husband, and two children who lost
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a father. And shortly before he died in 1989, a
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: two-part miniseries would be released with the title, Know My
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Name is Stephen. And the plot would detail Stephen's entire story,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: including him getting abducted, to him arriving at the police
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: station with Timmy White, and so on. And following his death,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a book would be written by author Mike A. of
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the exact same name. So all this media would basically
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: immortalize Stephen and his story. However, the city of Merced
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to honor him even further. So in 2010, the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: city would reveal a large bronze statue with Stephen standing,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: holding Timmy White's hand, leading him away from the cabin.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Stephen's story was heroic and tragic at the same time,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and the statue will forever remind passerbys of his struggles
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: and his yearning for a normal life. But most of
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the attention that Stephen was receiving was leaving the siblings
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: feeling neglected by their parents.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, he had been missing for seven years.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So it's not unimaginable that the parents would put all
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: this attention on him when he came back after being abducted.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: While his other siblings would be able to deal with it, Carrie,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, would not, and he would grow
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: incredibly spiteful, and then gains some of his own media
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: attention in the.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Years to come.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And this is where the crazy twist of events comes in.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: While Stephen's story was abruptly ended by tragedy, Cary, the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: lesser known Stainer brother, was about to write his own.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: One far darker than anyone else could have ever imagined.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: He would become the Yosemite Killer. Yeah. What?
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: On a sightseeing trip to Yosemite, Carol's son, her daughter Julie,
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: and their friend Silvina Peloso vanished in February of 1999.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: Weeks later, Carol and Silvina's bodies were found in their
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: charred rental car down a cliff.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: We have recovered two bodies from the trunk of the vehicle.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: But where was Julie? The killer sent the FBI this
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: hand-drawn map with a chilling message. We had fun with
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: this one.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So when Stephen disappeared at seven years old, his older brother, Kerry,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: who was 11 at the time, was completely distraught. He
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: was the big brother and lightly felt guilty that he
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: couldn't protect his younger brother. And Stephen's kidnapping would haunt
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Kerry for years and years to come.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And when the book, I Know My First Name is Stephen,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: came out, Eccles would quote Stephen saying, Sounds sweet, right?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Murderer.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: So less sweet.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: And this became such a ritual for Carrie that he
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: continued doing that even after Stephen came home. Even though
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Stephen had came home, he would still go out every
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: single night. He would walk several blocks away. He would
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: pick a star and begin to repeat the wish that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Stephen would return home before he would remember that Stephen
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: was home and he was safe. So he would then
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: thank the star instead. Again, sounds really sweet until you
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: find out he's a The sad fact about Carrie's childhood
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: after Steven was rediscovered was basically that he was overshadowed
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: by Steven and had essentially been left behind. He was
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: only 11 at the time, so he really still needed guidance.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But everything became about Stephen. They would withdraw emotionally from
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Carrie and they would put their sole focus into finding Stephen.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: And then when Stephen was found, they would put their
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: sole focus into all the media attention that was happening,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: into how he was doing and everything. And Delbert, the father,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: would swing between two versions of himself. One that was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: consumed with slower slide and depression, and one that would
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: solely focus on finding Stephen. So like, I can't imagine
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: being a sibling at that time, just, and watching your
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: parents just basically implode from the inside out and not.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Parenting you because they're so focused on that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Like, I obviously have sympathy there as well, but less
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: because he inevitably became a killer. Anyway, so the children
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that they did have were neglected in favor of the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: child that they lost. And Kerry would have unique gifts
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and talents that his parents wouldn't see because the spotlight
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was on the missing Steven. While he attended Merced High School,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: he would actually be nominated as the most creative student,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: with many believing that he would actually become a graphic
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: artist and cartoonist when he got older. And he also
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: played baseball where he was positioned in the outfield, which
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I was too. Not that I want to have any qualities,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, similar to a killer or anything, but I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: just I just thought that'd be an interesting little fact
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: about me. Left field was my position. Anyway, but Kerry
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: was a very quiet and reserved individual, potentially feeling like
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: his feelings or opinions weren't valued from his family because
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: they were more focused on the child that they lost.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But he was also described as one of the nicest
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: people you could meet and was rarely bothered by anything.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Like he didn't really have any anger issues or anything
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So Kerry would be 18 by the time his brother
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: came home. Basically a man standing on his own merits
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and probably fully accepting that he would never see his
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: brother again, but his brother would come into the picture again,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: thus thrusting Carrie back into the shadows. But of course,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Carrie was glad that Stephen was home, of course, even
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: thanking the stars that he had wished countless times for
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: his brother to come back. But Stephen was home, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: with that came the media firestorm yet again. Stephen wouldn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just come home, he would come home a hero, basically.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And neighbors who lived near the Stainers for about 20
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: years were called Stephen's Return Home, basically made Carrie just
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: return to being the brother. Michael Coleman specifically would live
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: next to the Stainers for about 20 years and would
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: tell SFGate, quote unquote, when Stephen came home, Carrie was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: put back on the shelf. He was in the background always.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And Victoria Floris Tatum, another longtime neighbor, told SFGate, Carrie
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was very frustrated at all the publicity Stephen was getting.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I think Carrie wants as much attention as Stephen got.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And he would.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And he would.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Victoria.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Victoria Prophesize that a little bit, I think. Sound like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Rick Grimes when I said that, I think.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I think of the dead all the time. Carl, get
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: back here. I'm rewatching The Walking Dead.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And Carrie's alienation and internal turmoil were compounded by his
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: brother's untimely death in 1989. Just as Steven seemed to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: be finding a sense of normalcy in life. Steven, again,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: would die in a motorcycle accident and through the death
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was tragic, but it only furthered to solidify Steven's like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: hero fame even after he was dead. And this would
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: lead Kerry to just grapple with his own feelings of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: inadequacy and emotional distance from his family. So the alienation
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and loss at his home could have been what made
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Kerry want to move in with his uncle, Jesse Stainer.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So in 1990, while Kerry and Jesse were living together,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Jesse would be found in his home, dead from one gunshot.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: The murder was investigated, but the killer was never found. Mmm,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I think I might know who it was.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And when the murder of Carrie's uncle, Jesse, was reported
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in the newspaper, it would be Stephen Stainer's name that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: was used in the headlines, not Carrie's. Carrie's name would
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not be mentioned at all in the article. It would say,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Stephen Stainer's uncle murdered. You're really poking the bear, media.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And Carrie, who had found work in multiple trades jobs,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: such as moving, worked for a long time as a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: glass cutter, where he'd fix broken windows and installed new ones.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And at one such job, he'd be working with a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: longtime friend, Mike Marchese.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Marquise? Probably Marquise, sorry.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Who found him punching plywood until he bled and just
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: kept going. Kerry had told Mike that he's basically having
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a nervous breakdown and that he wanted to drive into
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: work and kill everyone there and then torch the place.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Just a big red flag right there, if you ask me.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Following this incident, Kerry would become a handyman at Cedar
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Lodge in El Portal on Highway 140, heading towards Yosemite
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: National Park.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: We're getting there. We're getting to the... Yeah, we're getting there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And City Lodge is positioned in an absolutely beautiful area
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: surrounded by mountains, and it's isolated due to.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The National Park's proximity. How convenient.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And this was basically a peaceful place for everyone, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Carrie could enjoy the beautiful mountains and would often smoke
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a little pot while sunbathing naked.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: We know that information, but we do. And the tranquility
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: would persist until 1999, when Carol's son, her daughter, Julie,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and Julie's friend, Silvina Peloso, went missing along with Carol's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix. And the search for these women
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: would be the largest ever mounted in Yosemite at any time,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: according to, at the time, FBI agent Jeff Riddick handling
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the case. And after several weeks, all three women's bodies
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: would unfortunately be discovered. Carol's car would be discovered 60
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: miles away from the lodge, having been set on fire
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: with two bodies in the trunk. And Julie would be
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: discovered about 40 miles away from the burned out car
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: after investigators received a letter in the mail containing a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: roughly drawn out map area.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Investigators get a break. A letter in the mail with
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: a crude map showing an area about 40 miles from
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: where the burned car was found.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Earlier this afternoon, investigators discovered the body of a homicide victim.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: The body of 15-year-old Julie's son was identified earlier.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: In the week.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And a group of ex-cons would come into the sights
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of investigators.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Michael Roy Larwick and his half-brother, Eugene Earl Dykes, were
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the top suspects at the time. Dykes had multiple convictions
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on gun, drug, and sigil charges. And Larwick, whose childhood
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: home was near the abandoned torched car, allegedly shot the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: police officer trying to pull him over days after the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: vehicle was discovered. So they would obviously be taken into
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: custody and questioned about these three women's murders. Larwick denied
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: killing anyone, saying that they had the wrong guy, basically.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But it's understandable why federal agents would think that they
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: had the man responsible, given all the connections, basically. Considering
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that Larwick's criminal history included assault and other SA and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: attempted manslaughter, and even an arrest where he would be
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: found with a f * * * ing rocket launcher.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: But Larwick would even offer to submit a polygraph test,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and he would also offer his DNA to clear his name.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He'd be quoted on saying, I ain't got nothing to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: do with this. I've done a lot of things. I'm
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: no angel, but you've got the wrong guy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: He's a piece of shit. I don't, I have no
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: sympathy for him, but that's, I mean, you know, he
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: didn't do it, clearly.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And investigators would naturally have the wrong guy, which would
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: become apparent when Joey Armstrong disappeared in July of 1999,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: five months after the first three killings.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: 26-year-old Joey Armstrong. A naturalist working at Yosemite, living on
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: the west side of the park.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And at her cabin, police would find signs of struggle.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And her decapitated body would be found half a mile
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: away with her head just floating in the water nearby.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And investigators would find lots of evidence at Joey's crime scene.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: And Kerry Stainer's car was very distinct. We'll show a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: picture of it here. very non incognito, you know? And
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it had been seen at the area during the times
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of the murder. So he was initially brought in as
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a witness to see if he had seen anything suspicious.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And he had been found at a nudist colony after
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: another person recognized him as a person of interest to investigators.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and called the authorities. But at this point, Kerry still
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't suspected of committing the crimes. And the investigators were
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: actually familiar with him after having questioned him after the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: first three murders.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: They just basically wanted to ask him questions at this point.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: So when FBI agent Jeff Riddick finds him at a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: nudist colony, they find it odd that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: He raises his hands above his head. Like, way to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: give it away, dude. What the?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Kerry was not treated like a suspect at all. Like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: when he was being questioned, he and two other agents
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: were eating. pizza. And that's when he began to spill
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: his guts and tell the investigators that he could give
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: them more information about Joey Armstrong and more. Kerry would
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: confess to Jeff Rennick while alone that he killed Joey Armstrong,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: as well as Carol, Julie, and Sylvina. And Jeff Rennick
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: has actually written a book about it titled In the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Name of the Children, an FBI Agent's Relentless Pursuit of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the Nation's Worst Predators. And in this book, he details
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the time he spent with Kerry Stainer and the horrifying
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: request he made during his confession.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: That connection ultimately got Stainer to confess to killing Joey Armstrong.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: But before admitting to killing the sightseers, Reineck says Stainer
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: tried to negotiate. He wanted images of young girls, his
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: family to get the reward money, and to end up
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: in a federal prison near his family. Reineck recalls asking
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: him to pick one.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: What's the one thing? It's the one thing only, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: he chose to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So for Carrie's confession, he established conditions for his continued cooperation.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: He wanted his family to get the reward money for
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the discovery of the women that he killed. He also
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to be placed in a prison close to his family.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And finally, he wanted images and videos of the young girls.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And he actually thought that they would give these things
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to him if he dangled the confession in front of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the investigators' faces.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: This guy couldn't be a bigger POS.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I can't even, like, the audacity, the audacity of this
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: piece of shit monster.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: But investigators would tell him that he could pick one
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of the things that he wanted so much. And he
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: would choose the images of the little girls over the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: money for his family and the proximity to his family.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: What? And of course he would confess after not receiving
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the phone. as Jeff Rinnick would tell him of the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: catharsis that he would feel if he did confess. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: there might have been also, which I think is a big,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a big possibility that he just wanted to seize any
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sort of spotlight or fame from these crimes, given that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the spotlight was taken away from him so many times
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: from his brother so many decades ago.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And Kerry would.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Claim that these inclinations of death and murder would predate
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Stephen's kidnapping. When he was as young as six and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: even seven years old, he would be 37 at the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: time of apprehension, so he had avoided succumbing to these
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: desires for about three decades and may continue to fight
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: these demons today as he sits on death row, which
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he does. So why might have Carrie finally
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: given in after so long? Perhaps it was inevitable, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist that evaluated Carrie for his defense team, the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Stainer family, experienced extensive.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and mental illness.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Stephen had been kidnapped by a PDF aisle, but he wasn't.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: The only one that suffered these abuses.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Stephen and Carrie's father, Delbert, had been ordered into therapy
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: after essaying his own daughters. And even Carrie himself would
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: begin peeping in on his sister and even touching her
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: inappropriately when she was only two.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: 10 years old.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And Kerry had even become a victim of S.A. from
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: his own uncle, Jesse Stainer, mere months after Stephen's disappearance.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: And if you remember, Jesse was killed by a gunshot.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So after Kerry Stainer was convicted for those other murders,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Jesse Stainer's case would be reopened.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So history of S.A.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: In the Stainer family seemingly went back generations, which is horrific,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: making the fact that Stephen would be kidnapped by somebody
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that committed the same a cruel, cruel twist of fate
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in a very unfortunate irony. Cary seemed so normal throughout
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: his childhood and throughout his adulthood, and even his friends
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: didn't suspect him of doing anything like this. It just
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: goes to show that you never know when somebody's hiding
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a very dark side to them, and that deep-seated trauma
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: can manifest when you least expect it. So the story
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of the Stainer brothers is intriguing for many reasons. Their
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: childhoods and how they ended up in adulthood offer a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: compelling example of the nature versus nurture concept, which I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: always talk about during most of the true crime deep
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: dives that I do. Both brothers endured trauma, yet their
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: paths led entirely different directions. Steven would become a symbol
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of resilience and strength, Well, Kerry became a serial.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Killer and a cautionary tale.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Stevens was a seven-year-long nightmare where his could be nightly
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: at the hands of his captor. And when he emerged
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: from captivity, he was a hero for his rescue of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a young boy. And he was able to function well
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: enough to find a wife and even start a family.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And Kerry faced trauma that had similarities, yet some differences
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to Stevens. He was allegedly... by his uncle, someone he
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: should have felt safe and protected by. And grappling with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: this just compounded the emotional vacuum left by his brother
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and his parents' neglect. It left him isolated in his
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: own way, just as Stephen was. But unlike Stephen, Kerry
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: never really received any sort of public attention or support
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that may have helped him process these feelings of neglect
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and rage. Perhaps Kerry's life could have had a different
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: outcome if he was treated like an equal and was
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: supported by his siblings and his parents. That said, if
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: his statements of his very dark inclinations predated the abduction
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of Stephen and his are factual, then perhaps it was inevitable.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And one could speculate that Stephen was somehow motivated by
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the spotlight that he had gained to make an effort
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: more towards having a normal life, basically, versus Carrie, the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: one in the shadows, didn't have the same fire lit beneath.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Him to pursue that kind of normal life.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: So I think the greatest shame and honestly one of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the cruelest ironies of this whole story is that Steven,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a boy who saved another young boy from the that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: he suffered for so many years was the one who
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: had his life cut short. With so much in his
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: future carry, the brother who would go on to murder
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: four women.
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  Speaker 2: Lives to this day.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And though it may be on death row, he got
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to breathe the pleasures that life offered for 37 years.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and though now in prison, continues to create his art.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So that about wraps up this story. Very, very crazy case.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I was reading about it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I think it was in Bell's Reddit or something. I just,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. So I hope you got something
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: out of the video today. You know, another cautionary tale,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: if you will. You know, be careful out there. Obviously,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: my heart goes out to the family and friends of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the victims, obviously. I also want you guys to know
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that I do donate part of the proceeds of these
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: videos to victims' families and to help people.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: As well, because I think that's important.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to tell stories and to keep
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: them alive, but I also think it's important to give back.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So I just want to... let you guys know that.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And also, uh, let me know what else you guys
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: want to see in the, in the comments down below.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I know I've been doing a lot of the true
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: crime deep dives lately.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Let me know if you want to see more, if
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you've been really liking them, it seems like you guys
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: have been liking them based off of all the comments
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and views that you guys, uh, are giving them, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: let me know if you want to see other stuff too.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I'm always open to, to everything. So until then I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: will see a beautiful face in the next video.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Bye.