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Why Obamacare Made Insurance More Expensive — Sen. Ron Johnson Explains · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Who's telling the truth. You're getting two very distinct sides
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Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare in the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: They can't both be right. Somebody's not telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: If your health insurance premiums keep on going up. This
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Speaker 1: interview is going to explain exactly why, and it's not
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Speaker 1: what they're telling you.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to.
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Speaker 1: Straighten it all out and be very direct about it,
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Speaker 1: very easy to understand. Senator Ron Johnson, Republican the Great
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Speaker 1: State of Wisconsin joins me to break down how Obamacare
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Speaker 1: quietly turned health insurance into a cash machine for insurance
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Speaker 1: companies paid for by you guessed at you. Health insurance
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Speaker 1: companies didn't complain much in nine and o ten, Remember
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Speaker 1: why not? Because the government was making us by something
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Speaker 1: that they sell. And now the ACA subsidies that everybody's
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Speaker 1: arguing about, the health insurance companies stand to lose a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. And again, those subsidies aren't helping you,
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Speaker 1: they're helping the insurance companies. One insurance company's stock rose
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Speaker 1: over eleven hundred percent since Obamacare. We're going to tell
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Speaker 1: you exactly who that was. And premiums are up one
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy percent. This effects we tirees, families, people
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Speaker 1: about to hit Medicare age. Is at you, some facing
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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year in premiums. Keep it right
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Speaker 1: here because once you understand the system, you will never
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Speaker 1: ever look at healthcare the same way again. Flooding around
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Speaker 1: social media, I see a bunch of people on the left,
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Speaker 1: especially in Congress, that are posting a bunch of videos
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Speaker 1: that are Republicans had all this time to fix the
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Speaker 1: ACA subsidies, and they literally want your premiums to go up,
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Speaker 1: and they want to take your healthcare away because they
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Speaker 1: just don't like people, which doesn't make any sense. We've
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Speaker 1: got Ron Johnson on Juna loves people. It's a US senator,
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Speaker 1: great state of Wisconsin. Ron, How are you good to
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Speaker 1: see again?
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, but pretty frustrated by ask how successful
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Speaker 2: in their allies in the media have been at blaming
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Speaker 2: Republicans for what is the fault of Obamacare?
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Speaker 1: Well, Obamacare was pushed on us.
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Speaker 2: He lied.
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Speaker 1: We know that. He said, if you like your doctor,
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Speaker 1: keep your doctor, Lie, like your plan, keep your plan.
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Speaker 1: Lie you're going to save twenty five hundred a year.
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Speaker 2: Lie.
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Speaker 1: In fact, everything has exploded as you and I expected
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Speaker 1: it would, because when you take over one sixth of
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Speaker 1: the economy and give it to the government, it's probably
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Speaker 1: not going to be successful. So how do we do
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Speaker 1: a better job? Listen, I am all ears, you're a
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Speaker 1: great business mind. How do we do a better job
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Speaker 1: of making the American people understand we're in this position
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Speaker 1: because of the Democrats?
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you have to go through the
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Speaker 2: problem solving process. First step is admitting you have a problem.
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Speaker 2: Democrats aren't. They're just trying to mask over the failure
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Speaker 2: that Obamacare is. You have to properly define it. So
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Speaker 2: let's start by properly defining it. People have to understand
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Speaker 2: that Obamacare primarily impacts the roughly twenty four million people
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Speaker 2: we can talk about that. It's probably six million of
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Speaker 2: those are phantom accounts, but we'll just go twenty four
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Speaker 2: million people change and then single able bodied adults on
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Speaker 2: Medicaid expansion, the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid Obamacare buy and
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Speaker 2: large does not impact people on Medicare, Employer's posited Care,
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Speaker 2: normal Medicaid and VA. Okay, the particularly what we're talking
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Speaker 2: about now is this enhanced subs It has no impact
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Speaker 2: on that whatsoever. Now O Bomacare has had impacted all
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Speaker 2: of those areas because it's led to a dramatic consolidation
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Speaker 2: within the health care industry. Insurance, hospital associations, PBMs, drug
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Speaker 2: I mean drug companies getting a huge consolidation. And you
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Speaker 2: can see where the money's flowing by the increase of
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Speaker 2: stock prices. United health Care the largest health insurance company.
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Speaker 2: Their stock has increased seventy seven percent since the passages
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Speaker 2: of Obamacare. Okay, so you see the money's just flowing
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Speaker 2: in there. Paces are getting screwed, insurance companies getting richer,
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Speaker 2: Everybody in that health care industry is getting richer. I
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Speaker 2: understand there's not one incentive. In fact, every incentive in
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Speaker 2: our current health care industry is for prices to go up.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's getting a cut, everybody's making percentage. The best analogy
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Speaker 2: in that is, if you're a realtort and you may
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Speaker 2: contemp sent off the sale, you'd much rather sell that
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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars house for a million bucks, right,
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Speaker 2: so you can try and talk to the customer into
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Speaker 2: paying a million dollars for that one hundred thousand dollars house.
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Speaker 2: That's happening throughout Hell's healthcare. Okay, now, let's talk exactly
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Speaker 2: about these in hand substies. These were passed by Democrats
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Speaker 2: solely during the pandemic as a temporary increased in hand
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Speaker 2: subsidy over normal obombingcare substas. They were scheduled to expire
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Speaker 2: by Democrats. The put them has had no hand in this.
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Speaker 2: They sched them to expire at the end of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five. Now, the only people of three hundred and
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Speaker 2: forty million Americans affected by these in hand subsidies are
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Speaker 2: the twenty four million. It's really eighteen million, because six
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Speaker 2: million those are probably phantom. Right, So we'll say roughly
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Speaker 2: the twenty million people on these changes, we'll go to
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Speaker 2: eighteen million. Of the eighteen million real people on these changes,
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Speaker 2: more than sixteen million. They just revert to Obamacare's original subsidies,
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Speaker 2: which which means instead of a maximum of being expected
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Speaker 2: to pay eight and a half cent of your salary
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Speaker 2: if you're at forum set of poverty line, now you
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Speaker 2: have to pay nine to a half per cent before
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Speaker 2: a substate kick cent and gud that's variable up and down.
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Speaker 2: That from zero to four percent of poverty the people
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Speaker 2: losing substas are above four hundred percent of poverty line.
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Speaker 2: They were never given a subsidy under normal Obamacare. They
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Speaker 2: were given a substy by Democrats during the pandemic as
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Speaker 2: a temporary relief. Okay, one point six billion people. That
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Speaker 2: that's the people dramatically impacted by the loss of the
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Speaker 2: hand substies. And honestly, I feel sympathetic with that group
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Speaker 2: because many of these people during the pandemic were lured
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Speaker 2: into retirement by that subsidy. Their premiums have skyrocketed because
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Speaker 2: of Obamacare. Because of the government's interference to the marketplace.
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Speaker 2: Some of these individuals close close to medicare age. They
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Speaker 2: don't call right for Medicare. They're literally facing premiums Joe
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Speaker 2: over thirty thousand dollars a year because of Obamacare. The
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Speaker 2: normal market would never have premiums that high. This is
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Speaker 2: all caused by a bombcare, which the result is I
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Speaker 2: feel sympathetic with that group. You can literally address that
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Speaker 2: group for a couple of billion dollars a year, not
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Speaker 2: hundreds of billions. A couple billion dollars. I'm happy to
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Speaker 2: do that. I'm actually talking to Democrats centers who are
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Speaker 2: a little more reasonable about this, who in exchange for
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Speaker 2: taking care of that group would put in strong anti
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Speaker 2: fraud provisions. The problem is Democrats and their allies and
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Speaker 2: the media have so twisted this debate again, getting Americans
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Speaker 2: to believe that because Republicans won't act, everybody's going to
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Speaker 2: experience increased costs. No, the extent that you are experiencing
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Speaker 2: increased costs and healthcare and you will be it's because
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Speaker 2: of Obamacare and the consolidation, the destruction of that individual market.
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Speaker 2: It's Obamacare causing that. The other thing in Republicans they're
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Speaker 2: doing as we're just saying, no, we're not willing to
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Speaker 2: perpetuate the massive fraud. Remember that six million people I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about the phantom accounts. Yeah, that represents about twenty
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Speaker 2: to thirty billion dollars of fraud each year. Wow. So,
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Speaker 2: because because the enhanced SUBSI has created these no premium policies,
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Speaker 2: you've got about six million fandom policies. Unscrupulous agents have
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Speaker 2: signed people up without their knowledge. They get the commissioned,
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Speaker 2: the insurance companies get the premiums and they're no claim.
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Speaker 2: No claim policies have doubled from about twenty per cent
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Speaker 2: to forty percent. So insurance companies are making out like bandits.
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Speaker 2: They're agents, are making commissions signing up people that will
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Speaker 2: make no claims because they don't even know they have
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Speaker 2: the insurance. They've pocketed the insurance premium, and the American
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Speaker 2: taxpayers left holding the bag. And anybody who wants to
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Speaker 2: just a clean extent show of those hand subsis is
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Speaker 2: willing to perpetuate that massive fraud. And this is separate
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Speaker 2: from the Somalian fraud on Medicaid that's crying in.
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Speaker 1: Minnesota, right, it's Ron Johnson, US Senator, great state of Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you spelling it out like you just did.
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Speaker 1: I want people watching and listening to understand there was
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Speaker 1: no pushback when Obamacare was being shoved on our throats
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Speaker 1: in twenty two, thousand and nine and twenty ten. There
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Speaker 1: was no pushback by the insurance companies. That should have
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Speaker 1: been a bell going off over our heads. Holy mackerel,
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Speaker 1: Why isn't the insurance company complaining that the federal governments
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Speaker 1: taking over medical care? Well, because they all got paid
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Speaker 1: big time. Like you said, one thousand percent increase in profits.
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Speaker 1: That's a good thing to shut up about. And this
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Speaker 1: one the ACA subsidies, that doesn't go to the individual.
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Speaker 1: It goes to the insurance companies to keep the individual.
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Speaker 1: And it's the one point six that you're talking about
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Speaker 1: that will be gravely affected by this. But the insurance
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Speaker 1: companies are still being quiet. In fact, they're probably lobbying
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Speaker 1: to keep the two hundred and fifty billion dollars a
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Speaker 1: year or whatever the hell it happens to be in
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Speaker 1: these in these enhanced subsidies. Again, great job explaining that
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Speaker 1: just now. I'm going to put this out everywhere, but
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Speaker 1: the people watching and listening other shows, I need to
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Speaker 1: get this out to them as well. They have to
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Speaker 1: understand and correct me if I'm wrong. These subsidies, as
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Speaker 1: you said, put in place by the Democrats, sunset the
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Speaker 1: end of this year by the Democrats. But they enhance
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Speaker 1: the pockets and the bank accounts of the insurance companies.
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Speaker 1: They're not individual right.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Again, it's called a premium task credit, but it
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Speaker 2: doesn't flow through the taxpayer, goes right to the insurance company.
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Speaker 2: Right because insurance the insurance company didn't squawk about this
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Speaker 2: because they realized that the federal government is the easiest
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Speaker 2: consumer to fleece. Yes, and they've been fleecing them ever
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Speaker 2: since obama Care was in twenty fourteen. Again they're making
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Speaker 2: out like Bandits of the top seven insurance carriers that
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Speaker 2: the lowest increase in stock price is something like four
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Okay, it's amazing the Unite Health support the
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Speaker 2: stock price. Again, investors aren't stupid. They see the money
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Speaker 2: flowing from the American tax player into the coffers of
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Speaker 2: the insurance companies and their shareholders. So yeah, they're not
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Speaker 2: complaining at all. But again, and it's so important to
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Speaker 2: point out the enhanced subsidies. The vast majority of those
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Speaker 2: people losing the enhanced substies just referred to Obamacare's original substeas.
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Speaker 2: If that's not good enough, blame Obama, blame the Democrats.
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Speaker 2: But again, that whole Rube Goldberg contraption Obamacare, that is
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Speaker 2: what's caused premiums of skyrocket. It's hard to, you know,
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Speaker 2: definitive advanswer on this, but one analysis state by state
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Speaker 2: is premiums have increased on the exchanges on average one
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine percent since the information implementation of Obamacare.
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Speaker 2: Inflation's up thirty nine percent, so premiums up four point
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Speaker 2: three times sirrate of inflation since implementation of Obamacare. That's
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Speaker 2: because of Obamacare. It's not because anything Republicans did. This
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Speaker 2: is Democrats Rube Goldberg's scheme. This a miserable failure, and
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Speaker 2: all Democrats want to do is to throw one hundreds
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Speaker 2: of billions of dollars to mask what a miserable failure
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Speaker 2: Obamacare has been. And we're not even talking about, for example,
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Speaker 2: disabled children being displaced by able bodied adults in terms
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Speaker 2: of getting things like home health care and other Medicaid services.
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Speaker 1: Some of that was actually going on adult daycares in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Part of that fraud there, and there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of fraud. I'm glad that you're going after it, but Ron,
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Speaker 1: I've got to ask you to be very direct with
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Speaker 1: those who are watching listening who think they're talking about
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Speaker 1: raising my premiums. Because everybody now believes their premiums are
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Speaker 1: going up, You and I in this segment will not
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Speaker 1: be able to convince them that their premiums aren't going up.
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Speaker 1: So for those who think something's changing for them on
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Speaker 1: December thirty first or into January first, what is the replacement?
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Speaker 1: Because that's always the retort, Okay, well, what do you
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Speaker 1: Republicans want to do about it? What does Trump want
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Speaker 1: to do about it? Because now we're hearing fix Obamacare,
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Speaker 1: when for years we were told we're going to get
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Speaker 1: rid of Obamacare. So what is the fix for those
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Speaker 1: who think they're going to be affected? How are you
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Speaker 1: if you had the red button and you pressed it
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Speaker 1: and all the Democrats agreed, Ron Johnson, what would that
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Speaker 1: look like? What's the fix?
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Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying since I got elected. We
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Speaker 2: need to repair the damages down to Biomeacare, transition to
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Speaker 2: a system that works. What's the root causer problems? The
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Speaker 2: third party payer system, the fact that nobody pays for
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Speaker 2: their health care services or their providers. You pay insurance,
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Speaker 2: you pay your taxes, but nobody, not the doctors, not
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Speaker 2: the nurses, not the patients, know what anything costs, and
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Speaker 2: we don't care because you're not paying for it directly.
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Speaker 2: So the solution is bring consumersm back into healthcare, bring
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Speaker 2: the benefits of free market competition back into healthcare. And again,
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Speaker 2: I competed in the private sect for thirty years. Because
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Speaker 2: I had to compete, my prices were lower, my quality
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Speaker 2: was higher, my customer service was higher. That's what we
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Speaker 2: want in health care, that's what the free market provides.
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Speaker 2: But because we've driven consumers out of there, we're not
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Speaker 2: getting any of it. Here's an example. Rick Scott had
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Speaker 2: a great hearing in his aging committee. Had a surgeon
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Speaker 2: from Oklahoma that set up a cash only surgical center.
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Speaker 2: It attracted a lot of top flight surgeons. They had
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Speaker 2: to figure out what they're gonna charge for these things,
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Speaker 2: because again surgeons didn't know in the passes, just the
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Speaker 2: bean counters in the back room. So the surgeons got
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Speaker 2: together set up the surgical center to term their own prices.
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Speaker 2: You know, here's the supplies we needs, here's much, here's
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Speaker 2: how long it's gonna take this running. We charge for
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Speaker 2: my surgeronyes what we can charge for nurses. Their prices
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Speaker 2: end up being ten percent a tenth of what the
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Speaker 2: surgeries cost in hospitals. That is the that's the vision
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Speaker 2: of what we could save if we brought consumers back
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Speaker 2: into the equation, if we actually made a competitive system.
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Speaker 2: Now understand all the providers they've been making out like bandits.
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna like this system. They're not gonna want
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Speaker 2: to compete right now, they've gotten not a complete monopoly,
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Speaker 2: but they have all these oligopolies. Kind of wink with
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Speaker 2: not going yeah, guys again, I'm gonna make much more
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Speaker 2: a lot more money off of tenth thousand dollars hospital
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Speaker 2: room or a ten thousand dollars surgery than I am off.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think, look at your hospital bill. Sometime I
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Speaker 2: was on a recent radio show. The host had a
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Speaker 2: friend who had a normal delivery. Normal delivery, it costs
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Speaker 2: fifty one thousand dollars. Take a look at your hospital bill.
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Speaker 2: What do they charge you for a hospital room? And
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Speaker 2: then compare that to what you pay for in a
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Speaker 2: you know, Hampton suite or the highest, you know, the
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Speaker 2: five star hotel. It's a fraction of a hospital charge.
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Speaker 2: Why it's because they get away with it. It's because you,
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Speaker 2: as a consumer, you're not paying for it. You're not
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Speaker 2: asking the question. You're not going to doctor's office and
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Speaker 2: going how much is the fifteen minute is going to cost?
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Speaker 2: How much is that procedure is going to cost? How
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Speaker 2: much does that test? You never asked do I really
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Speaker 2: need that test? I just had that last week? Why
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Speaker 2: do I need another one? If if we were real consumers,
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Speaker 2: we'd be asking those questions, but right now we're just sheep.
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Speaker 2: We're just going in there. Well, got to have another test.
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Speaker 2: I'm not paying for it. I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Does funding h HSAS put me back in charge. I've
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Speaker 1: got an HSA, but I still don't know what the
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Speaker 1: what the things cost? I mean, how does that put
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Speaker 1: the ball back in my quarter or or put the
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Speaker 1: onus of I want to use you, or I'd rather
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Speaker 1: use this guy if it's cheaper or whatever. How do
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Speaker 1: I start paying attention to that other than saying, tell
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Speaker 1: me how much it costs.
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Speaker 2: So, because Americans now pretty well are in the habit
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Speaker 2: of not having to pay for things, you know, HSA's
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Speaker 2: is the vehicle you need to get them transitioning to
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Speaker 2: paying for things. But you have to give them start
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Speaker 2: paying for things. So we've got a transition where the insurance.
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Speaker 2: By the way, Obamacare policies right now before a bombacare,
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Speaker 2: those are called cast traffic care plans, and they were
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Speaker 2: dirt treat cheap. Obamacare offers cast traphic dirt cast trophic plans,
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Speaker 2: but they're grotesquely expensive. So you go to insurance that's
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Speaker 2: actually insurance like a car. You don't get first al
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Speaker 2: of coverage on a car. You pay for the dinks,
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Speaker 2: you pay for the maintenance right, you pay for the
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Speaker 2: all changes totally, and you only have insurance case get
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Speaker 2: an accident. Health insurance ought to be the same way.
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Speaker 2: So the consumers are actually paying for that doctor visit,
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Speaker 2: they're paying for those procedures, they're paying for those tests,
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Speaker 2: doing it out of HSA again because people are saying, well,
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Speaker 2: can't pay for that yourself, so someos got to fund
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Speaker 2: their HSA as their employers. By the way, I was
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Speaker 2: doing that back before I ran for your office. We
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Speaker 2: were funding hsas to get our employees to pay more
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Speaker 2: for that to start demanding the price transparency. There been
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Speaker 2: playing places that have passed laws for price transparency, but
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Speaker 2: it doesn't make any difference. You can post it on
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Speaker 2: the wall, but as long as nobody's paying for the
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Speaker 2: out of their own pocket, they don't care. So you
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Speaker 2: have to make consumers pay for things out of their
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Speaker 2: own pocket. Be frugal. Set up those hssays. What you
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Speaker 2: don't spend during your working years can go to retirement funds.
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Speaker 2: So HSA's is going to be the transition vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Well would it makes sense right now. Is there enough
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Speaker 1: money right now to fund the HSA's for the one
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Speaker 1: point six million that will be directly affected that you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: Is that money less than the money spent on the
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Speaker 1: ACA subsidies.
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Speaker 2: Well, again, for that one point six million people, they're
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Speaker 2: just screwed because their close retirement, their premiums are just
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Speaker 2: grotesquely expensive, I mean over thirty thousand dollars, so funny
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Speaker 2: hsays for them probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: You just have to figure out how do we subsize
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Speaker 2: those premiums until we can actually act a full blown
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Speaker 2: system that again, you're going to have to dismantle Obamacare.
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Speaker 2: It's such an awful Rube Goldberg design. Yeah, it's it
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Speaker 2: was set up, Joe, by the way, it was set
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Speaker 2: up to fail. It was set up to fail so
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Speaker 2: that we go to a single payer system, which would
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Speaker 2: be worse than what we've got.
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Speaker 1: It is Ron Johnson, US Senator, Great State of Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: Let's quickly talk about Minnesota fraud. Fraud in relation to
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Speaker 1: medicaid is involved in that. Also, let's feed the hungry,
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Speaker 1: which they never fed anybody allegedly. There were also adult
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Speaker 1: daycares that you alluded to earlier, we're talking about potentially
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Speaker 1: I had Liz Collin on recently from Alpha News in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about potentially five to eight to ten billion
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Speaker 1: dollars in fraud, and noybody's going wasn't me, wasn't me,
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Speaker 1: wasn't me? What do we know about that? And I mean,
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Speaker 1: is there any way that the governor of the state
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Speaker 1: didn't know that the money coming from the federal government
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Speaker 1: to assist people in that state to eat and to
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Speaker 1: get healthcare, that a lot of that money was being stolen?
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Speaker 1: Is there any way he didn't know?
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Speaker 2: First of all, I think we know that the governor
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Speaker 2: and other Democratic elected officials were complicit in the fraud.
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Speaker 2: They absolutely looked the other way. Okay. The other thing
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Speaker 2: that I want to point out is the Somalians. Let's
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Speaker 2: face it, they're amateurs at this. It might have been
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Speaker 2: a pretty well honed scheme, but they're new to this country.
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Speaker 2: We made it so easy for them to commit this
18:50
Speaker 2: fraud that they're able to do it on a massive scale.
18:54
Speaker 2: Point being amateurs, and the reason I'm pointing out we
18:57
Speaker 2: have all these non governmental organizations, we have all these programs,
19:02
Speaker 2: we have all these states like California, they don't check
19:05
Speaker 2: eligeabi ability. We make it so easy for people to
19:09
Speaker 2: commit fraud against federal government programs that I think a
19:13
Speaker 2: lot of people are And so I think the other
19:15
Speaker 2: thing we can say quite confidently about Minnesota fraud, it
19:18
Speaker 2: is just the tip of the iceberg, and and uncovering
19:21
Speaker 2: this we're just scratching the surface.
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Speaker 1: So we once we uncover exactly what happened in Minnesota,
19:26
Speaker 1: is are we likely to find it in many other states,
19:28
Speaker 1: like a lot of other states.
19:31
Speaker 2: If we look. And that's the problem is it's just
19:34
Speaker 2: so massive. I mean, you actually need local prosecutors, you
19:37
Speaker 2: need at you know, local elect officials. But again in
19:41
Speaker 2: case of Minnesota, you got you got democratic jurisdictions. Their
19:45
Speaker 2: main goal is to get more people dependent on government.
19:48
Speaker 2: They're not looking for fraud. They want to sign people up.
19:51
Speaker 2: They're the ones that aren't enforcing eligibility requirements. So in
19:54
Speaker 2: certainly in democrat jurisdiction's got a real problem. I think
19:58
Speaker 2: in Republican jurisdiction you probably have more of a crackdown.
20:02
Speaker 2: But look at all unfair that's going to be, so
20:03
Speaker 2: money will just continue to flow out to Democrat jurisdictions,
20:07
Speaker 2: and again the whole point. For example, we may medicate
20:10
Speaker 2: a dollar for dollar match by and large, so that
20:13
Speaker 2: the states had to skin the game the Medicaid expansion
20:17
Speaker 2: because of Obamacare, that's a one dollar to nine dollars match,
20:21
Speaker 2: So states had every incentive to sign up people. They
20:25
Speaker 2: don't care what frauds occurring because they're getting nine bucks
20:28
Speaker 2: for every dollar they invest in the Medicaid expansion. For
20:32
Speaker 2: those single body of dots, they're getting nine bucks from
20:34
Speaker 2: the federal government. That's why they're assessing provider taxes and
20:37
Speaker 2: provider fees, which just illegalized former fraud. It's a scam.
20:42
Speaker 1: Ron Who you told me that you told me about
20:45
Speaker 1: the nine to one before? Who the hell set that up?
20:47
Speaker 1: Why would we ever do that and take eight dollars
20:50
Speaker 1: nine dollars from the rest of the country and funnel
20:53
Speaker 1: it into some blue state that we're not sure where
20:55
Speaker 1: they're spending it. Why would it be what make it
20:57
Speaker 1: two to one? Make it one to one? Why is
20:59
Speaker 1: it nine to one?
21:00
Speaker 2: Because Obamacare wanted to make more people depending on government
21:05
Speaker 2: run healthcare. That's why. It's a simple answer. And they
21:08
Speaker 2: knew once those people were there they knew that states
21:11
Speaker 2: would start structuring their budgets around the nine to one match.
21:15
Speaker 2: That's why we couldn't repeal it. I mean, we have
21:17
Speaker 2: Republican states. There are very few states that didn't do
21:19
Speaker 2: medicating Spanish. I think less than ten. Okay, so the
21:23
Speaker 2: vast majority states, including Republican states, Again, why should they
21:27
Speaker 2: be the schmucks that don't take part of the largest
21:31
Speaker 2: of the federal government. So you literally have Republican states
21:33
Speaker 2: as well as Democrat states whose budgets are based on
21:38
Speaker 2: the nine to one match, who are are assessing six
21:41
Speaker 2: percent provider fees. Then they throw on top of that
21:45
Speaker 2: user fees. No, it's sick, Like I say, it's legalized fraud.
21:49
Speaker 2: But they're all getting away with it, and it's spend
21:51
Speaker 2: so endemic. It's now their budgets are structured out it.
21:56
Speaker 2: During the one big beautiful Bill, you know, Rick Scott
21:58
Speaker 2: had a great on this couldn't pass it, just would
22:02
Speaker 2: I said, wanted to kick to anybody offtion. We said,
22:04
Speaker 2: we're not going to register any more people onto that
22:06
Speaker 2: nine to one match. If your state and you want
22:08
Speaker 2: to provide Medicaid for able bodied adulls, you're going to
22:12
Speaker 2: get the same match as we do for a disabled child.
22:14
Speaker 2: I mean, think how sick that is for an able
22:17
Speaker 2: bodied childless adult who should be working and getting health care.
22:20
Speaker 2: From there, we're providing nine dollas for every Dallas State
22:23
Speaker 2: spends on a single able bodied adult. We spend about
22:27
Speaker 2: a dollars thirty three for every dollar they spend on
22:30
Speaker 2: a disabled child. That's a sick notion right there. But
22:34
Speaker 2: that's current law and we couldn't change it in the
22:36
Speaker 2: one big beautiful bill.
22:38
Speaker 1: US senator from Wisconsin, it's Ron Johnson. Johnson dot Sendate
22:41
Speaker 1: dot gov. Let me just finish on healthcare. So I
22:43
Speaker 1: want to get into Jim troop as if we can,
22:46
Speaker 1: but I just want to finish on healthcare. Of course,
22:50
Speaker 1: illegal aliens are getting Medicaid. Of course they are. I
22:53
Speaker 1: know they're not supposed to. I know it's against the
22:54
Speaker 1: law to do that, but I think you and I
22:56
Speaker 1: talked about it last time, and I want to actually
22:57
Speaker 1: make sure that I have it right now. I get
22:59
Speaker 1: anything wrong, tell me we are sending Medicaid funds from
23:03
Speaker 1: the federal government to places like California. California is assessing
23:06
Speaker 1: a tax on healthcare providers. The health care provider pays
23:11
Speaker 1: the tax. When California gets the Medicaid money in, they
23:15
Speaker 1: give them a tax refund. Now those healthcare providers are
23:18
Speaker 1: providing healthcare to illegal aliens, but they're not using direct
23:22
Speaker 1: Medicaid money. They're using their tax refund money to pay
23:26
Speaker 1: for Medicare, that medical care for illegal aliens. So now
23:30
Speaker 1: California can say not one illegal alien gets Medicaid dollars.
23:34
Speaker 1: But what they're doing is they're paying back the taxes
23:36
Speaker 1: that they charge the health care provider with the Medicaid dollars.
23:38
Speaker 1: And the healthcare provider was incentivized then to give health
23:41
Speaker 1: care to illegals. Did I get it wrong, Well, it's.
23:46
Speaker 2: A master shell game money. Again. The main point is
23:52
Speaker 2: for every Dallas State spends on an able body adult
23:56
Speaker 2: from because of Obamacare Expanse the Medicaid Spanish and they
23:58
Speaker 2: get nine dollars as a result, they've instituted provided taxes
24:03
Speaker 2: provider fees which are not healthcare. But for every dollar
24:06
Speaker 2: that they assess for that the you know, the hospital
24:09
Speaker 2: and pays them, they get nine dollars in exchange from
24:11
Speaker 2: the federal government. So against it's it's it's legalized fraud.
24:15
Speaker 2: It's sick. It's cost of federal government. How does the
24:17
Speaker 2: business dollars that we don't have.
24:19
Speaker 1: Is there any doubt on your mind that some illegal
24:21
Speaker 1: aliens in California are getting taxpayer paid for healthcare?
24:26
Speaker 2: I mean, that's no doubt, no doubt in my mind
24:28
Speaker 2: whatsoever of course they are. Again, let's face in California
24:33
Speaker 2: is sanctuary state, sanctuary cities because they want all those
24:37
Speaker 2: illegal immronts coming in for the census, you know, to vote,
24:41
Speaker 2: you know, just be counted the censors to give them
24:44
Speaker 2: more members of Congress. But they're gonna let them vote
24:48
Speaker 2: and and and they're going to provide them all kinds
24:50
Speaker 2: of benefits basically paid for by Uncle Sam.
24:53
Speaker 1: It's Ron Johnson us centered Great State of Wisconsin. I'm
24:55
Speaker 1: not familiar with. Is it Jim troopis is that his name?
24:58
Speaker 1: He was prosecuted for more? Former Trump lawyer, former Wisconsin judge.
25:02
Speaker 1: What happened to this guy? What's going on with it now?
25:05
Speaker 1: So for representing President Trump in the twenty twenty election.
25:13
Speaker 2: Case, and there were all kinds of irregularities in Wisconsin
25:16
Speaker 2: won't go through. I mean, irregularies need to look at
25:19
Speaker 2: it is a very legitimate lawsuit again, he advised his
25:24
Speaker 2: client to do what Kennedy did back in nineteen sixty
25:28
Speaker 2: had an ultimate slave electors. Our Attorney general office said
25:32
Speaker 2: there's nothing proper about there, and then later on now
25:34
Speaker 2: our attorney general is has charged him with felony counts
25:37
Speaker 2: of forgery, like there was a forgery. They've been persecuting him.
25:41
Speaker 2: He's price spent over a million dollars. What was just
25:44
Speaker 2: recently revealed they hired a forensic linguistic expert. The judge
25:48
Speaker 2: overseeing the case they don't believe wrote the report or
25:53
Speaker 2: wrote wrote the the you know, the verdict or not
25:58
Speaker 2: the verdict, but the opinion, right, And they went to
26:01
Speaker 2: that judge with his evidence and he wouldn't even give
26:04
Speaker 2: them a hearing, which they're now saying is a civil
26:08
Speaker 2: rights violation because he should have at least had a
26:10
Speaker 2: hearing let them present the evidence that that judge didn't
26:13
Speaker 2: write that opinion that really denied that it really would
26:16
Speaker 2: have dismissed, should have dismissed the case. I mean, this
26:18
Speaker 2: is a completely bogus case. But it's occurring in Dane County,
26:22
Speaker 2: you know, an ultraliberal county in Wisconsin. That's where Madison
26:25
Speaker 2: is and Judge Trupis is just being persecuted. I mean,
26:29
Speaker 2: the process is the punishment. They just try to destroy
26:32
Speaker 2: this man. He's an honorable person. He's just a high
26:34
Speaker 2: integrity individual. Could have Trump's president. Trump, could have found
26:37
Speaker 2: a better election lawyer. What he did was completely proper.
26:41
Speaker 2: One of the reason is al Gord didn't have a
26:43
Speaker 2: chance Supreme Court is he did not have an alternate
26:45
Speaker 2: slave electors. Right, No, exactly right.
26:48
Speaker 1: Well, well, Ron, I want to I'm going to make
26:49
Speaker 1: a couple of points here that are very important for
26:51
Speaker 1: those watching and listening. You know these things. Constitutionally, we
26:54
Speaker 1: can absolutely challenge the results of an election. That's stupid
26:57
Speaker 1: to pretend like we can't. Secondly, how do you somebody
27:00
Speaker 1: with forgery? When he signed his own name or those
27:02
Speaker 1: those electors, the alternate slate, they all signed their real names.
27:05
Speaker 1: They weren't signing fake names. There was a case in
27:07
Speaker 1: Arizona that I think is either thrown out or close
27:10
Speaker 1: to being thrown out. Case in Georgia that's just about
27:12
Speaker 1: out of here. Why's Wisconsin is still playing this game?
27:15
Speaker 1: There is nothing illegal with me gathering a bunch of names,
27:18
Speaker 1: putting them in an envelope just in case Mike Pence
27:21
Speaker 1: would have said, let's check both envelopes that day. What
27:24
Speaker 1: exactly is the illegality? I don't get it.
27:27
Speaker 2: There is none. This is a grotesque miscarriage justice. But
27:30
Speaker 2: it's being carried out in the ultraliberal courts with ultraliberal
27:35
Speaker 2: judges in Dane County, Wisconsin. That's what's happening right here.
27:39
Speaker 2: Is a travesty. It's a miscarriage of justice. And that's
27:42
Speaker 2: one of the reason I wrote a letter to the
27:44
Speaker 2: primary Justice to investigate this.
27:45
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think they're going to because I
27:48
Speaker 1: feel as though we're past twenty twenty. I think we're
27:50
Speaker 1: past twenty twenty where we can actually say there are
27:53
Speaker 1: some questions that have to be answered about that election.
27:56
Speaker 2: You know, the whole premise of Jack Frost or Jacksmith
28:00
Speaker 2: artic Frost case. Yes, is it anybody involved in these
28:03
Speaker 2: alms and say the electors do some something criminal. They're
28:06
Speaker 2: families here. That's why cast is enormous, dragnant. It's all
28:10
Speaker 2: about crippling the opposition party with publican party. Again, it's
28:14
Speaker 2: all a gross miscarriage justice. So the just de partment
28:17
Speaker 2: outrey vel it you use Wisconsin as the test case
28:20
Speaker 2: to demonstrate exactly how really, just how corrupt the Jacksmith
28:26
Speaker 2: investigation was. So I hope they get on board here
28:28
Speaker 2: and fully investigate this.
28:30
Speaker 1: I'm glad to let us know about it.
28:32
Speaker 2: Ron.
28:32
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with the Wisconsin case, been watching
28:34
Speaker 1: the other cases, but without a doubt this guy didn't
28:36
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. If it's exactly as you said, and
28:38
Speaker 1: I trust that it is, it's our us. Senator Ron
28:41
Speaker 1: Johnson Johnson dot Senate dot gov. Thanks so much for
28:43
Speaker 1: the great explanations today. Let's do this again soon, Ron,
28:45
Speaker 1: Thank you. Did you get all that?
28:47
Speaker 2: Listen?
28:48
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28:49
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28:52
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28:59
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