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Gabe Poirot_ 18 Days in Heaven_ Encounter with Jesus _ Spiritual Warfare _ Jesus People Podcast EP68 · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: I've seen that church and religion, especially in America, it's
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  Speaker 1: all about ourselves. And we go to these Sunday mornings
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  Speaker 1: to just feel good about ourselves and feel encouraged. The Christ,
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  Speaker 1: I saw him on the cross. He didn't die for
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  Speaker 1: one day of our week. He died for our entire life.
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  Speaker 1: People ask me details about angels. I wasn't even allowed
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  Speaker 1: to look at them. I don't even have a memory
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  Speaker 1: of what they look like.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel like there's been a switch in you.
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds like you're attributing that to your encounter
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  Speaker 2: with Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we repent, not because we have to. We
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  Speaker 1: get to. I saw these vaults above every single human being,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw it stored in these vaults. Any unforgiveness, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: these demonic spirits will come. They literally will gain their
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  Speaker 1: function of authority off of the words of unforgiveness and resentment.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: about this one. We've got Gabe Poirot on the podcast. Gabe,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for being with us, man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, man.
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  Speaker 2: This is an incredible story. We were just talking earlier. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I keep saying this on the podcast, but I just
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  Speaker 2: wish people could hear the coffee around the kitchen counter
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  Speaker 2: conversations and just your heart and the purity of your
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  Speaker 2: heart and how it's clear you didn't write this book,
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  Speaker 2: which is incredible. You spent 18 days in heaven. You
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  Speaker 2: didn't write this for clout. You didn't write this for
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  Speaker 2: any other reason than obedience to the Lord who's asked
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  Speaker 2: you to now come public with this. You've You've kept
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  Speaker 2: this to yourself, a precious moment with the Lord for
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  Speaker 2: so long. But man, how long ago was this? And
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  Speaker 2: can you just kind of take us a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of backstory? But I know that we're going to want
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  Speaker 2: to hear about these 18 days that you spent with
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  Speaker 2: Jesus in heaven. So maybe give us a little backstory
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  Speaker 2: and then take us into that encounter, what that was like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So it was almost five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was October 25th, 2021 when the accident happened. And
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  Speaker 1: I always clarify this. The book says 18 days in heaven,
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  Speaker 1: but truthfully, my time with him, it was like, two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Like time doesn't operate the same when you're outside of it.
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  Speaker 1: And so people are, are, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times confused by the title of my book. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: you spent 18 days in heaven. And that's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of me just putting the earth time on it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because that was the amount of time that, um, no
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  Speaker 1: one talked to me, uh, in my body. I was completely,
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  Speaker 1: you know, unconscious and, um, however, but my time with
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  Speaker 1: him was so short, but so I guess I want
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  Speaker 1: to take everyone before this moment. I had known a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things about him, I'd even gone to the
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  Speaker 1: Bible college. You get the degree of faith. You get
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  Speaker 1: the degree of theology. You attain all this knowledge, but
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  Speaker 1: it's different when you're before him. And so, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was really an ordinary day. It was 70 degrees outside,
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  Speaker 1: just blue sky. And I was riding an electric skateboard
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  Speaker 1: going about 30 miles per hour. I'd race my friends
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  Speaker 1: on it. And at the time... I didn't have any concerns.
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  Speaker 1: Helmets are for weirdos. You know what I mean? And yeah, nerds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so we had hooked around the curve of the
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  Speaker 1: road and my other friend had gone back to the house.
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  Speaker 1: We were staying at my friend's house and I had
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  Speaker 1: looked at my other friend and said, Hey, why don't
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  Speaker 1: we race? And so we just hooked back around. And
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  Speaker 1: as I hit that curve, I hit a bump right
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the road and I flipped off
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  Speaker 1: my skateboard. And I knew immediately it wasn't like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't good. But it's just like in a split moment.
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  Speaker 1: I landed right on my head. My skull cracked in half.
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  Speaker 1: I'll send you these photos so as I'm saying this,
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  Speaker 1: people can see the evidence for themselves. Blood gushing out
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  Speaker 1: of my ears. It had no place to escape. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the biggest issue. My lungs failed because they filled with
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  Speaker 1: vomit because my body went– it flatlined, literally flatlined. And
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  Speaker 1: my friend held up my rigid, postured body in his arms.
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  Speaker 1: Now I say this because I literally saw my own
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  Speaker 1: body from above. I slipped out. And I actually, it's
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  Speaker 1: so ironic because I'm describing one of the worst tragedies
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  Speaker 1: that could ever happen to someone. But I'm describing it
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  Speaker 1: from the third person because my body wasn't me. I
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  Speaker 1: was looking at my body, but yet I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I breathed for the first time in my life. It
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  Speaker 1: was a perspective and it was like, it was like, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: And ironically, there was no pain that I felt actually,
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  Speaker 1: even no, no quote unquote death, although they did have
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  Speaker 1: to resuscitate me. And then I was still in the
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  Speaker 1: coma and, and it was a natural coma for three
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  Speaker 1: days and then medically induced for 15 days after that.
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  Speaker 1: So total of roughly 18 days. Um, and the doctors
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  Speaker 1: have even come out and, and even allowed us to
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  Speaker 1: go right in the same emergency room that my body
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  Speaker 1: was in.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And the doctor has publicly come out the hospital, JPS hospital.
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  Speaker 1: downtown Fort Worth has publicly come out and said, this
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  Speaker 1: is a miracle. We can't explain this.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: In the doctor's own words, he said, Gabe had to
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  Speaker 1: be resuscitated, but then he still, we didn't know if
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  Speaker 1: he was going to come back. He was in the
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  Speaker 1: coma for a while. And we, and we didn't even,
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  Speaker 1: if he, if he did come back, we didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know if he'd ever be normal again or have memory.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, man. And where were your parents during the situation?
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  Speaker 2: You have siblings as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have three sisters. And so they were in
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  Speaker 1: Virginia and, And they got the call that no parent
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  Speaker 1: ever wants to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about your son in past tense. They get called in. Yeah. Yeah. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what was Gabe like? We, we found his, his body.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the ER. You need to come now.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: When they got there, even a nurse asked my mom verbatim,
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  Speaker 1: did he even write a last will?
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  Speaker 2: Those were some of the first words they said to them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the first words were, you know, we got, we got,
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  Speaker 1: this body of a 20 year old, not non-responsive. You
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  Speaker 1: need to come now. And then when they got there, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about me in the past tense. Did
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  Speaker 1: he write a last will? I was in the ER,
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  Speaker 1: the ICU. It was, it was one of the most
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  Speaker 1: intense situations.
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  Speaker 2: Dang. Who, man, that's crazy. And so you, you knew
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  Speaker 2: the Lord, right? You were obviously like, I've been following
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  Speaker 2: you online for a while now. And so you were
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  Speaker 2: sharing about Jesus. You had a deep faith in Jesus. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have this moment where you encounter Jesus. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Take us a little bit into your upbringing, a little
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  Speaker 2: bit into like how you met the Lord and then
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  Speaker 2: how that got shifted your relationship with the Lord from
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  Speaker 2: this encounter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So I'd grown up in a, in a
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  Speaker 1: love my mom and dad, but it was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a chaotic house and church wasn't specifically anything
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a part of faith. I would
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  Speaker 1: kind of, laugh at truthfully, especially in my middle school years.
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  Speaker 1: And then going into high school though, I remember actually
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  Speaker 1: I was just by myself listening to a podcast and
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  Speaker 1: I actually started to really just dive deep into Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: And I really became born again, just got off the
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  Speaker 1: fence in life. And I did commit my life to
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  Speaker 1: Lord in high school specifically, December 12th, 2015, my freshman year.
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  Speaker 1: So So I really started exploring the word and faith. However,
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  Speaker 1: there was, over those next years, and I love podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: I love learning about the word, but I really did
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  Speaker 1: explore a lot of knowledge and less encounter, less personal relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And so at the time when I was 20, I
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  Speaker 1: had been on social media, I was super flamboyant and
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  Speaker 1: running up to the camera, and it was great. I
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  Speaker 1: was winning souls, it was great. But Actually, there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of misconceptions and I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: that I was totally off, but there was just actually
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  Speaker 1: a lot of corrections that actually came from my encounter.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's so funny you mentioned that because.
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  Speaker 1: People even told me like, you're very different since your encounter.
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  Speaker 2: I was just about to say that. So like when
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  Speaker 2: I met you for the first time, what, a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks ago, you popped over And I had remembered
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  Speaker 2: you from like TikTok days, you know, back probably when
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  Speaker 2: you were about 20. And, and I think flamboyant's a
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  Speaker 2: good word. Like you were just, you were just an
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  Speaker 2: aggressive in a way, you know, like very, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: right at the camera, like you're going to hell. You know, that's,
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  Speaker 2: that was the vibe that I got. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, and like the whole stop scrolling, stop scrolling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was like, and we all did it right.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Like in the early TikTok, we all tried weird stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and, uh, we all tried to be David
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  Speaker 2: Ladding back in the day. Everyone's copying David Ladding back
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  Speaker 2: in the day. Shout out David Ladding.
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  Speaker 1: Love, love that.
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  Speaker 2: Um, but, uh, Yeah, but that was my perception of you,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm being totally honest. And then I met you
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  Speaker 2: in person. I've seen some of your newer stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: then when I meet you in person, I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this guy is just very humble and kind and meek
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  Speaker 2: and mature. And so it does feel like there's been
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  Speaker 2: a switch in you. And it sounds like you're attributing
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  Speaker 2: that to your encounter with Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Well, because I discovered even after we come
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  Speaker 1: to the faith, man, it's so easy. to just work
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  Speaker 1: up our own list and we get, we can get
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  Speaker 1: so consumed with ourselves. That's what I discovered because man,
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  Speaker 1: at the time of my accident, everything was perfect. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a fear. I didn't have any, I never
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  Speaker 1: would have expected my, I was, I would go through
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  Speaker 1: such a, such an accident right then and there. And
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  Speaker 1: I would literally be brought, I would be brought to
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  Speaker 1: such an end yet. It wasn't an end. I found,
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  Speaker 1: I found it was the end of me, but it
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  Speaker 1: was the beginning of him. And so, Again, it was
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  Speaker 1: such a tragedy physically, yet I actually saw the truth,
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  Speaker 1: not as words on a book. I saw the truth
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  Speaker 1: not as a textbook. The truth wasn't even just a religion.
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  Speaker 1: The truth was a person. Mm-hmm. and this heaven that
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  Speaker 1: I was brought to I had completely misunderstood it heaven
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  Speaker 1: was nothing like I thought nothing like I was taught
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  Speaker 1: of and this person that I was brought before the
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  Speaker 1: center the center of the city was beyond words beyond
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  Speaker 1: any picture or show or thing that I had ever
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  Speaker 1: seen on the earth And so if you don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to, I want to tell people exactly
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  Speaker 1: what happened. So I exited my body. I remember seeing
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  Speaker 1: John Michael holding my rigid body in his arms. He
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  Speaker 1: held it up. He was praying over me. And as
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  Speaker 1: much as I saw him, I actually saw the spiritual world.
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  Speaker 1: I saw his prayers. Prayers are literally their own beings. Not,
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  Speaker 1: but like, not like some weird being, like our words
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  Speaker 1: are the containers of our life. And I'm not getting
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  Speaker 1: into some spooky thing telling people words. I'm not getting
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  Speaker 1: into the whole name it, claim it, claim you got
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  Speaker 1: a Bugatti and you're going to get a Bugatti. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not getting into that. I always have to clarify that
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  Speaker 1: for people. This isn't some weird thing. But words have power.
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  Speaker 1: That's what Jesus said. There's a reason Jesus taught his
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  Speaker 1: disciples about the importance of what they say. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he said you'll be held accountable for every idle word
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  Speaker 1: you say too. So anyways, that being said, I literally
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  Speaker 1: saw his prayers and I saw that It wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: his arms holding me up. His prayers were holding up
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  Speaker 1: my body. And come to find out, actually, after this accident,
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  Speaker 1: he's testified himself about how immediately he was praying over
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  Speaker 1: my body. Father, I pray Gabe lives and not dies.
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  Speaker 1: I pray Gabe lives and not dies. And so you
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  Speaker 1: start seeing those things. And so as I exit my body,
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  Speaker 1: I see how this world is not just physical. This
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  Speaker 1: world is not just flesh and blood. Who we are
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  Speaker 1: is not just flesh and blood. But I saw the
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  Speaker 1: truth of the spiritual realm, and it was so real.
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  Speaker 1: so real. And as I'm, I'm not just like vertically
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  Speaker 1: above my body. It's, it's like, I, I just, I
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  Speaker 1: see it through a whole nother perspective. And in this,
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  Speaker 1: what I call second heaven is, is just this like
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  Speaker 1: over the earth is this like mass chaos, like spiritual warfare,
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  Speaker 1: unlike anything you ever heard of. Like it's no longer
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  Speaker 1: just in a Hollywood movie. Like I'm talking real. You
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  Speaker 1: see how real spiritual warfare is.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, that is exactly what I just heard Adele and
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  Speaker 2: Rion talk about. I just had Adele, who is a
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  Speaker 2: former Satanist, and I've had Rion Suyala, who is the
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  Speaker 2: former head of the Church of Satan in South Africa.
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  Speaker 2: They talk about that. They talk about how you can
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  Speaker 2: illegally access that realm. And if you go into that realm,
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  Speaker 2: you see all sorts of stuff. The way they describe
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  Speaker 2: it is it's like a form of astral projection if
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  Speaker 2: you illegally access it. But they're like, if you only
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  Speaker 2: knew how much spiritual warfare was happening, that's crazy. The
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  Speaker 2: way you just described that is exactly how they described it.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, specifically I saw people say, how do
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  Speaker 1: they gain access or function? I use the word function
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  Speaker 1: because our bodies are authoritative vehicles for the earth. So
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  Speaker 1: people need to understand we are a spirit. We are
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  Speaker 1: a spirit of the spirit, the father of light.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm talking to boarding and believers out there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You're born of the light and you function in a
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  Speaker 1: body that gives you a voice on the earth. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the key. I saw these vaults above every
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  Speaker 1: single human being, and I saw stored in these vaults
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  Speaker 1: any unforgiveness specifically, resentment you hold. Do you know what
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  Speaker 1: actually happens? There's this chain that these demonic spirits will come,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll eat a buffet off of it.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh.
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  Speaker 1: They literally will gain their function of authority off of
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  Speaker 1: the words of unforgiveness and resentment. The bitterness, and what
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  Speaker 1: happens is actually they'll eat it, and they'll keep that
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  Speaker 1: wound open for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll never be healed. As long as you hold
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  Speaker 1: that unforgiveness, you'll never be able to move on.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And it's because they feast off of it, but they
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  Speaker 1: introduce it as yourself. And they tell you that you're
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  Speaker 1: the victim and they tell you that you're forever the victim,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not the victim of what that person did
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  Speaker 1: to you. You're, you're the victim of their workings, but
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  Speaker 1: they've introduced it. So you feel like it's you and
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you have to hold onto it and
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  Speaker 1: you have to be the victim and you have to
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  Speaker 1: Hold that resentment against that person for what they did
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  Speaker 1: to you because what they did to you was so real,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't understand. What they did to you wasn't them.
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  Speaker 1: So I saw this spiritual realm. We were all Muppets.
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  Speaker 1: We were all puppets. And it was all their influences.
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  Speaker 1: It was their feelings they introduced to us. It was
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  Speaker 1: their thoughts they introduced to us. And they tell us
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  Speaker 1: it's us. That's why we have all these identities, right?
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  Speaker 1: So that's why we have all these feelings and thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: But humans didn't invent the level of wickedness that I
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  Speaker 1: saw in the spiritual realm. but we were all just
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  Speaker 1: being puppetly mastered around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. One thing you mentioned that I'm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm learning more and more as I get older and
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  Speaker 2: I talk to more wise people is the first step
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  Speaker 2: of healing is forgiveness. There's a lady, Carol Ward. She's
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  Speaker 2: been on the podcast. People ask me, what's your favorite
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  Speaker 2: podcast you've ever done? Carol Ward. Oh, by far. She,
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  Speaker 2: she's a missionary to Africa. She was, There in Uganda,
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  Speaker 2: remember Kony 2012, Joseph Kony, the Lord's Resistance Army, most
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  Speaker 2: evil man on the planet, most demonized man, would kidnap
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  Speaker 2: these child soldiers and have them just go murder and
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  Speaker 2: massacre entire villages. She was there ministering to healing these victims,
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  Speaker 2: these child victims of Joseph Kony. And so she has
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  Speaker 2: real-time data, real-life evidence of what actually heals a person
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  Speaker 2: that's been as traumatized as possible. And she basically said,
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  Speaker 2: what I've learned over my lifespan of healing these victims
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  Speaker 2: is no true healing can happen without forgiveness. So our
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  Speaker 2: entire therapeutic model right now of just talk about your
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  Speaker 2: issues over and over again is almost the exact opposite
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  Speaker 2: of how healing happens. Talking about your issues, talking about
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  Speaker 2: your pain, talking about your struggles has merit if it's
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  Speaker 2: undergirded by forgiveness. Yes, absolutely process stuff. But so much
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  Speaker 2: of the therapy world right now is falling into the
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  Speaker 2: trap of the demonic, which says, Oh, just, just keep
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  Speaker 2: processing for the sake of, of processing to feel better.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make you just feel better to process all
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  Speaker 2: the bad things that other people did to you. And
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: now we got chat GPT. If you put into, like,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen those videos on, on,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: on Instagram of people being, it's like skits of like
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: an absent father. If he was talking to chat GPT
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: and chat GPT is like, You didn't leave your kids.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: You found your boundaries.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You found yourself.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Right, right. It's like bananas, dude. The world we're living in.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: But that's so cool to see that you're actually looking
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: at the spirit realm and showing that you are giving
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the demonic a buffet with your unforgiveness. And that wound
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: does not close until you forgive. Yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying that in a metaphor. I'm
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: not saying that as a fairy tale. It was real.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It installed a reverent fear in me that I'll never forget.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And I haven't even shared a lot of these details
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: because truthfully, I, I had kept it hold up in
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: my heart. I remember when I first came back, I,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: all I could say was Jesus. And I would tell
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: people like, I met Jesus. He's so beautiful. Like I would,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I would tell people that if he would ask me,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: tell me details. And I would just say, Jesus. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I still am like that. Okay. Like I, because there's
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: no moving past him. There's no moving beyond him. Heaven
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is not just a location. Heaven is him.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Heaven cannot be described as just a place. Heaven has
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: his breath, his love, his song. There's no escape. Left, right, up, down.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: No escape of him. And so, but there's many different layers.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I think when we even use the word heaven, people
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: think of like one place or one layer, but there
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: are different heavens, even biblically. Paul spoke about this and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: in Psalms and so on. And so he went up
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to the third heaven, John, right? Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And so why did he even say third heaven?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that immediately implies there's a first and there's a second. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting. And so you, and, and I described
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the three heavens now in each heaven though, they're like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: they are different layers, but I described the three heavens as,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like the first heaven is the blue sky.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It's what we can see right away. The second heaven
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: is both the outer space yet. It's the spiritual realm
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: behind the veil. People don't, cannot think of heaven just
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: as if it's like higher than us. It's not just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: vertically higher. It's behind the dimension. So it's like explaining
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a 3D world to someone living on a 2D paper.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: They can't just understand it by thinking, oh, things are
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: just higher than me. Well, things aren't just higher than you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Things are deeper than you. Molecularly.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: On a molecular level, it's deeper.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: We'll take 3D and times it by 7 times 70.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And you'll start to be like, okay, this is where
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: we're going.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Okay, so what's the third heaven like?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So the second heaven is a spiritual warfare. I describe
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it as civil war. Yeah. And before I get to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the third heaven, I need to just say one more
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: detail about the second heaven. It didn't actually look like
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: clear light versus darkness. In the second heaven, the spiritual warfare,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I saw the light, but I actually saw how most
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of the darkness almost looked exactly like the light.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Of course, you know their intentions are dark and you
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: see who they really are and you're like, oh my goodness.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: But they masquerade themselves as 99% light, comfortability. They masquerade
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: themselves as the love. They've redefined love. And they truly–
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: most people would actually see a demon and they would
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: actually be surprised that it was. a demon. Because the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: way they're influencing them, it actually feels something good, something right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: something comfortable. And I actually saw it's taken most of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the church too. Like most. Really?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Satan couldn't defeat
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the church, so he became it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Say more.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: That offends a lot of people, but it was what
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I saw. I don't care. I have to say it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong. What that means is I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: believe in the local church. Church is what Jesus gave us, okay?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I'm the biggest fan. I'm the biggest supporter of local
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: pastor and all that. But I saw that these demonic
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: spirits had introduced what I call familiarity to these specific pastors, leaders,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: congregation members, structures. And what was originally awesome, what was
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: originally God's plan for the church has been twisted. Even
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the book of Revelation to the seven churches, even the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: correction there, oh my goodness, I'm telling you, take that
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and there's even so much more correction now for the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: modern church. All the rebukes Jesus just gives the churches
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in Revelation, don't just wait until you hear what he
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: says to the modern day church, to the American church too.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Did you hear what he said to them?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I saw the way he felt about them. Yeah. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: talking with him, I got to know his personality a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: little bit. Of course, I don't claim that I saw
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: all of heaven. I don't claim that I fully know
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: him because, again, but the little part that I did
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: see of him, I did quickly understand he hated religion.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Wasn't some of him, wasn't a part of him. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: when I say religion, again, I'm not talking about his
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: model for the church. I'm talking about man's model of him.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And what's the distinction? What does he hate? Like what
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: would he say to the modern church?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Those who claim to know him but do not know him.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Those who know all about him yet they have never
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: known him. Those who even– they took the idea of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: him and they put it into their set of rules
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to better themselves and to think higher of themselves. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it's much different, man. Much different. I saw that he
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was never about an organization or just religion. He was fantasizing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he was fam. So as I'm pulled through the second
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: heaven in my peripheral, I don't see details. I didn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: see like exactly what these spirits, these demonic spirits would
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: look like, but I just saw their influence was so
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: beyond what people understood. I saw that every single day
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is spiritual war every day, every day while we're on
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this earth, it's war. So as I'm pulled up, I'm
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: just like, wow. And it, but that kind of just
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like melts, melts off of me almost. And I'm just
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: suctioned up by this light that isn't a visible item.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: This light has its own breath. And I knew that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: this light was a person, but not just a person.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I knew that this light was the King of Kings,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end, Ancient of Days. Yet,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: he was waiting for me his entire life. I was
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: his only. I knew it was going to be a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: one-on-one encounter. People ask me details about angels. I wasn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: even allowed to look at them. I don't even have
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a memory of what they look like because there's such
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a holy reverent fear. In fact, even if you do
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: try looking at them, there's a rebuke. Why stare at,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: don't even look at me. And they only point like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like there's a spirit of like, they only point back
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to him. Look at the beautiful one.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Look at the lamb.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Look at the lion. Why, why are you staring at me? Like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah. So I don't even know what angels
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: look like. Or I don't even remember what they look
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like because all I can remember is him.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Wow. And so you have this moment where you're now–
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you see this light. It has breath. You recognize it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a person. Was there a moment where he became like
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a man, Jesus, like a man? Yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And you were able to talk? So this light brings
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: me to this city. And I say that biblically. John
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: wrote of this in the entire book of Revelation. He
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was brought to a city that had no sun or
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: no moon.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm reminded of because the lamb was
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the light. He is the light himself. He's the very
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: structure of heaven. And so it's not just an urban
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: location when it says city.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But again, that's just a term for it. But left, right,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in my peripheral, I'm aware there's flowers, there's leaves on trees,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: there's waters, there's streets, there's libraries, there's houses, there's monuments.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: But every detail, you even look at it, as the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: leaves would blow, they would sing, worthy is the lamb.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: They would sing, worthy is the king. Worthy is the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: king who became the lamb. And they would sing, worthy
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: is the lamb who's coming back as the king.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So it was manifold. It was multi. It was multidimensional.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So you look at that. They released that note. It
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: would reverberate across all of heaven and the rivers of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the waters of life. the waves would go back and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: forth and they would sing worthy is the lamb worthy
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is the lamb. See like almost like the rocks would
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: cry out almost like Jesus told us. Like I saw
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: scripture was not a book. Scripture was a living, breathing,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: not just place person. Scripture was alive.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And that same note would be received by these streets.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't just like, people say like the golden,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like gold on the earth. it was a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: color and frequency. And like, it made me think that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I had never even seen what gold looks before. It
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: looks like, like we know the earth's definition of gold,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: but heaven's definition isn't even like, we don't even have
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: an English word for it. It, it is, it's impossible
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to describe. And Paul wrote, he even said, I saw
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: things in the third heaven that are, unexplainable that I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: can't even describe.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And people come to me and they're like, well, how
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: can you, how can you describe it? And I'm like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I still can't, I'm trying. Yeah. I'm a lot. I'm
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sharing with you guys what I was allowed to share,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but I still, I don't claim that I didn't even
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: share all of what I saw, you know? So I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: agree with Paul.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So are there certain things that you, you have not
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: been released to share?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And specifically the certain things he hasn't even allowed
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: me to remember. Cause he wants me to trust him.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: For example, there, there was a library with my name
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. And it was all the plans that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: he had written for me, but it wasn't just the plans.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It was the moments he saw in my life that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: he noticed. For example, in high school, I sat with
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a Chinese student who was all alone. He didn't have
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: any friends at the time. I just sat with him.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, you know, I went and sat
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: with him. I saw this moment. I didn't sit with him.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Jesus.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Literally this book was reading. And as I'm reading the book,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I see the moment and I see it was me
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and Jesus. He said, Gabriel, I was there with you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that You were eating lunch with me. Literally. It wasn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a metaphor. It wasn't something he just said. It was
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the truth.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: The truth is no longer our experience on the earth.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: The truth is him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Which aligns so closely with what he said. Whatever you
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: did for the least of these brothers, you've done for me.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So that's not a metaphor, right? He's literally saying, he's
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: not saying it's like you did it for me. He's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: saying you did it for me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so as I'm brought to the center of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the city, this is a reverent place. This isn't some
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Disneyland tourist location. And I, you know what? I publicly
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: come out and say this. Heaven is not someplace you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: just talk about the quote unquote, um, thrill rides and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of cotton candy, you know, that, that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: breaks my, that makes me always want to throw up
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the way people talk about heaven. Like it's, yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: My son asked if he can eat as much chocolate
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: as possible and not get sick.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And, and well, you know, it's like people, people are like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: people are talking about heaven. Like they're just visiting it
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: every day. And then it's like, no, like this, this
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: place is holy reverent. Like, like this isn't somewhere, something
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to even just throw around. That's why I didn't want
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to share with my testimony for so long was because
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I knew like, I didn't want to be that type
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of guy that just does it for clicks or for views,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know? Like I only wanted to cheapen it. Exactly.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to cheapen it. Exactly. Because it can't
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: be cheapened. Like this is him. And so my face
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: is down and I'm bawling because I'm done for. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: don't stand a chance. I don't have a right. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: don't have a right before this King of Kings and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Lord of Lords. Alpha and Omega beginning in the end.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: This is holy.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And so my face is down, bawling. Ryan, he literally
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: picks me up. He looks me in the eyes with
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: his head slightly turned. And he says, Gabriel, why are
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you concerned about that which I paid for? I wasn't
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: just forgiven 2,000 years ago when he was on the cross.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even just forgiven just when I was a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: freshman in high school. I was forgiven forever. I was
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: forever redeemed. I was forever his. Truly, as far as
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: East is from the West, my sins had been removed.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: When he looked at me in the eyes, I wasn't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: an acquaintance. I wasn't a stranger. I was his own
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: fam i was i was literally blood of his blood
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and i thought someone must have misplaced me thought i
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: was actually in the wrong place i thought i was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: actually being seen as someone wrong because he looked at
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: me literally with the same love that the father looks
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: at him oh wow not some of the love not
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: part of the love It literally, when he looked at me,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it was as if the father was looking at Jesus,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the same type of love. Yet here was I, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: there was such a reverence, like a humility. You see
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: how on your own ability, you're nothing. Like on my
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: own ability, on my own list of right and wrongs,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I knew, I knew that I was nothing without him,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but I was no longer nothing. I was his.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And he spoke to me not in an audible language
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: when he even said those words. He spoke to my
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: heart without even, it wasn't even audible. But actually, his wounds,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: people think they're like right in the middle of his hand.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: They're actually closer to his wrist. But they weren't two
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: inches wide. They carried the depth of eternity. His wounds
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: still speak of the price he paid for me. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: saw a name written across, Gabriel. The other wound, Gabriel.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: The spear in his side, Gabriel. Crown of thorns, Gabriel.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: He did it for me. And there's many in heaven,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there's many on earth. He did die for the whole world, right? Like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you know, John 3, 16, right? We're taught that scripture,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but we forget when he was on the cross, he
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: had me on his mind. So he does have the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: ability and we can't understand this because no one can
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: do this on the earth, but he has the ability
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to be one-on-one with each and every single one of us.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And that's what I experienced. I was his only one.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: He didn't just die for the world. He died for me.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Like just for me and the world, but just for me, like, yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: See, I want to take a quick break and I
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: want to tell you about a ministry that my family
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: personally supports. It's called global Christian relief. And you may
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: not know this, but there are more persecuted Christians around
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the world than ever before.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And Global Christian Relief sends medical aid.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: They send Bibles to persecuted countries that don't have access
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to them. They're providing shelter.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: They're taking care of the least of these in the
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: name of Jesus.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And if you want to support them, you can click
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  Speaker 2: the link in the show notes.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: You can read stories of what God's doing in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: persecuted church and know this. Jesus says that what you've
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: done for the least of these, you've done for him,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: but also you that when we love each other as
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: a body of Christ, the rest of the world will
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: see him.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So go check it out. So give me, give me like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture this, right? And maybe you can't,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: but in case you see this light, you're having these
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: amazing encounters, this conversation with Jesus. What does it look
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: like around you? Like, are you in the throne room? Like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: where are you during this conversation?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I just describe the throne room as the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: most grandest, holy place. And truthfully, it is just so
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: holy and reverent. And I say it's a throne room.
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  Speaker 1: I am not even going to claim that I know
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: exactly where in heaven this happened. I just knew I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: was at the center. And I knew it was, in
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my memory as I say it, I'm confident that it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was a throne room. But I can so only remember
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: him that it still is a challenge to even talk
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: about intricate details of of the cherubim and the elders
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and like about everything around.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Because you're so filled with a focus of it. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: it all reflects him. Everyone there sings worthy is the lamb.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Worthy is the lamb. Like now I read the book
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of revelation where John had this very similar encounter.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And it brings back memories.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Cause we saw the same Jesus.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and I want to get back to your
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: conversation with Jesus, but, Where, where's the father and where's
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the spirit at this time?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So they're, they're, they're one, like when you look
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: at Jesus, both you see the father and the Holy spirit. Now,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of course I couldn't see the, the father God, no one,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: no one can in return. Like that's, he's like, I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: remember he was there, but I don't have any memory
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of ever being able to even see close to him.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Such a holiness, a reverence.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: So you knew he was there. Was it kind of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: like you can feel like a presence in the room?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Like, you know, when you're in a room and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you like, you know, someone's there and maybe you're not
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: looking at them. Yeah. But like, you know, they're there.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Well, with this, it was even times out by a thousand. Like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: but as I looked at Jesus, I saw how the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: father saw me. So I got to know the father
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: by looking at the son. Wow. Because I describe Jesus
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: as this. He is the very arm of God. You
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: know how when you're around someone and you could just
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, see a little bit about them,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit about them, but then when
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: they touch you, it's like, or like, you know, maybe
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you're like, as soon as they touch you, you just,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you feel that touch. You're like, Oh, like there's that connection.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: That's how I describe Jesus. He's the arm of the father.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: He's the father touching.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: He's the father literally reaching down and become like, he was,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: The king of kings, he was eternal. He was ancient
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of days. The lion and the lamb, but yet he
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: was 33. So he was perfect and also perfectly human.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It was dual. He was God, yet human at the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: same exact time. Like perfect. Like he knew me. He
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: didn't just know about me. He knew me. And the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Bible describes that in Philippians, how the King became fully
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: human when he was conceived, when he was miraculously conceived
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in Mary's womb. He took on human flesh. And of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: course we know as he rose again from the dead and, and,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we're celebrating resurrection day. He took on that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: glorified body, you know?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Like he still has a glorified body. It's glorious, but
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he's fully human, man. He knows us.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Like he gets us.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. What did Jesus look like?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Well, first, His eyes. First and forever. His eyes. Liquid
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: ocean of love that there's no floor to. No escape.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: No running from. Surrounded. You're captured. He literally looked like love.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: He was 33, yet eternal. Darker toned skin, actually. Middle Eastern.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Very much so. Actually darker than I was anticipating, yet light.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Pure light. Fire. Purple fire, white fire, all at the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: same time. And every part of his body spoke. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you look at his eyes and he says, I love you.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You look at his eyebrows and they say, I love you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You look at his hair and it says, I love you.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You look at his beard. He wasn't feminine or soft.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: He's not someone you mess around with. His beard says,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I love you. His beard says, I paid the price.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I want you. You're my own. Like, he met me
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: eye to eye. For me, he was right about like 5'11,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: right around. But man, he's as tall, as high as
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: any heavens go. Like, I actually, I believe even for
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: those who are maybe on the shorter side, he's going
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to meet you eye to eye. If anyone does have
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the right to tower over us, it would be him.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But he meets us eye to eye. Because he wants
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to see us. Hmm. He wants to know us. That's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: why I actually, you know, I know certain people come
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: back with a little bit different accounts of like where
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Jesus was and where he met them. Cause he meets
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you eye to eye. He's brother of your brother. He's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: blood of your blood. You are in him and he's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in you.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: What do we get wrong about him?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: We expect him to be this flamboyant, go along with
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the flow. Type of person that's just even nice, you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: could say, or what do I mean when I say nice? Just,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you know, tolerant, just a happy-go-lucky type of guy. Not
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the Jesus I encountered. He's not soft, not feminine. He
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't go along with the flow. He doesn't tolerate. You're
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: not going to cross him. He's meek. But when I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: say meek, I didn't just see the lamb. I saw
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the lion. but he was not the lion that was obnoxious.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: He wasn't the lion that was just running around eating
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: whatever and ruining and pouring out his anger. He wasn't
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: angry at me. He was angry for me. So he
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't the lion that's going to eat me. He's the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: lion that's going to roar for me. Yeah. And we
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: were talking about meekness before we started this podcast and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I interrupted you and I said, Wait till you hear
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: what my testimony, because this is who I encountered.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I had never thought of Jesus like the lion I saw. Like, truly, like.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And as C.S. Lewis even says, he's not a tame lion. Yeah. Like,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: he's a meek lion. He's not a lion that is
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: just lying down, never going to take a stand. He's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a lion that is directed, that is focused. Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Dang, dude.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Like, he's not a lion you're going to cross, like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And actually people don't know this. He's actually soon to
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: come back. He's going to come back and many are
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: actually going to be surprised because he's not going to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: look like the lamb that we were taught 2000 years ago. Yes,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he still is the lamb and worthy is the lamb,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: but he's not just the lamb. He's coming back as
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the lion.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Did he talk to you about his second coming?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Before I was sent back, he looked me right in
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the eyes and he said, Gabriel, tell my family who
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I really am. And And when he spoke that, it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was also immediately communicated to me like, tell them I'm
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: coming soon. Coming soon. Soon wasn't distant. Soon wasn't a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: hundred years from now. Soon, when he said soon, it
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: literally felt like I'm just about to get them. The
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: door of grace is about to shut on this entire earth.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And justice is about to fully kiss grace. And it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: all going to be wrapped up. That's why the Bible
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: says today is the day of salvation. That's why the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Bible says no man knows the hour of the day.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody should clip this podcast and say that I'm telling
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: them the date of when it's going to happen. You're
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: missing the point. I saw the timeline in heaven. It
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was the past, the present, and the future. It was
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: literally wrapped up like a piece of clothing. And you
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: know how just if you have a piece of paper,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: if you take a pen, if you fold it all
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: together and then mark one spot, you unfold that piece
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of paper. Now that one marking is now across the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: entire paper. Well, I saw in the present in heaven.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: he redeemed all of time. He operated in all of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: time at one moment. Wow. So on the cross 2000
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: years ago, he didn't just forgive those who were there
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: with him. His blood paid the price of sin forever. Past, present, future, forever.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: That's why we can look back to the cross and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: receive forgiveness. That's why we can look back to the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: cross and be born again is because his blood still
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: applies to today.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: You said justice is about to kiss grace in response
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: to my question of, is he coming soon? What does
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that phrase mean?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. People actually don't understand the reason this earth is
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: even still functioning is actually because of his, a bubble
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of grace is what I call it. We don't deserve
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to be alive. We don't even deserve to be here.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We in our own ability don't deserve anything, any grace,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: any breath, even. Yet he has sustained the time because
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he wants one more, one more to know him. Like
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I saw Jesus that was holding back all of heaven's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: armies because he just wants one. Wait, wait. I want John.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I want Ryan. I want Gabriel.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And there is going to come a time where the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: father says, now's the time. And he's going to, Jesus
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is going to come back, but he's not coming back
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: as a lamb to be slaughtered. He's coming back as
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the lion who's going to bring justice and rescue his
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: bride and bring his bride to full completion according to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the word of God, right? Like Paul wrote in Corinthians,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: right now we see dim. Right now we see through
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a fainted perspective, but one day we will see clear.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: One day.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: One day.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: That day's coming. So yeah, uh, people are going to
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: encounter a Jesus that, that is a lion and he's,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and he's not just going to be some, he's not
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even going to be a religion. He's family. Yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That visual of Jesus holding back the armies of heaven
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: is really powerful.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And he's not holding them back as a nice little,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: little lamb. He is the lamb and worthy is the lamb,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: but he's the lion. See, so that's meekness. It's not
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: holding back as weak or tolerant or passive. It's a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: holding back because he's about to come. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Guys, 18 days in heaven.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: We're not done with the podcast. I just have to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: plug this now. Dude, I'm so excited to dive into this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: If we're going to put the link in the show notes,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: put the link in the description. Um, one thing that I've, I've,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I said this at the beginning of the podcast, but I've,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I've truly found this to be authentic in you is
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: this was an obedience move. Like even you sharing some
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: of the numbers, you sharing what people would look at
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and be like, well, would that really be worth it
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to write that book? You're like, well, the Lord told
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: me to do it. Like, that's so cool. And I,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I believe you. I really, really do. Um, And this is,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: this is needed. I think the Lord has ordained this
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: book to come out at this time. He ordained that
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to happen to you five years ago. He ordained these
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: stories to come, not just to warn his bride, but
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: to reveal the heart of the bridegroom to show that
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: he is perfect love. And that love is crying out
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: from every aspect of his body, of his being. what
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: are a couple other things that you encountered in heaven?
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: What are some things that you would just want to
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: share with the body of Christ that you were privy
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to that you encountered?
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, he pulled back the veil on actually two timelines,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Moses and Elisha. And I need to tell people about
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Moses for a moment. Now, I didn't talk with Moses.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't see him in detail, but I did see
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the moment of the burning bush. People think Moses was
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: some strong, flamboyant, leader that was just, you know, had
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it all together. Moses, before the burning bush, you would
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: look at him and you would laugh. Before the burning bush,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you would be like, Moses, that guy is going to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: lead a nation out of slavery?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: He was truly nothing. But when he was before that
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: burning bush, he presented all of his failures to God.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: God didn't respond with a you, you, you. God said,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I am. Do you know why? I saw this moment.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Moses found the end of himself and the start of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the I am. And when he found the I am
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: in the burning bush, he found himself. So who we
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: are is not about all our abilities and failures and weaknesses.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Who we are is actually a crystal light reflection of him.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: That's who we were made to be from the start.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: That's why the Bible says in Ephesians, before the worlds
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: were made, we were loved. Before the worlds were made,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: we were already chosen.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Because it's his love that outburst and made me and you.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Our breath is the miracle. His fingerprint. Oh, ready for this? Okay,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you show me. His fingerprint took that dust and didn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just make Adam. His fingerprint took that dust, breathed upon it. Love, breathed,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and said, Ryan. And made Ryan. And made Gabriel.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Didn't just make Adam. He made me. My life is
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a miracle. Not just because I survived a broken skull
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and crazy accident. My life. My first breath is a miracle.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Every one of our breaths is a miracle. When we breathe,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: we're breathing the very essence of God. That's why we're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: made in his image. Image doesn't mean like we look
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: exactly like God. Like that doesn't mean like just visible image.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Image means essence, spirit, family. Because he had all the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: other creatures. He had all the other servants. He had everything.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: He didn't need us, but he didn't have family. Wow.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So he said, I don't just want someone to talk to,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I want someone to talk with. He said, I want
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: a relationship. I want fellowship. We want fellowship. And he
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: made you, he made me.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think of some of the, did you get,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: did you get any insight into the how the demonic
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: works and the evils that are happening on the earth
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Definitely. So from the third heaven's perspective, I just, I
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: saw specifically the gain of function that, that the, and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the entrustment that he actually has given us with the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: life we have on this earth and with our words
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and with our heart, it was specific to our heart. And,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and I saw the spheres of really portals, what we watch,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: what we listen to, Even people we tolerate around us,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: people don't realize this. You actually aren't influenced by that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: which you are intentionally doing. A lot of times you're
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: more influenced by that which you tolerate. And so I
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: saw these portals, people would watch things, people would listen
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to things, people would just be tolerating. I saw it
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: kind of like everyone was just smiling, laughing, but they
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: were getting eaten on the inside because of these demonic
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: spirits were literally eating buffets off of people. And, and,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: became full hosts of their houses. And listen, I'm not
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: going to get into semantics about possession or this or this.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into semantics. I'm just going
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: to say there's a reason the Bible says our eyes
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: are the light of a soul, right? And our ears
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: give authority, right? And so I challenge people. first of all, forgive.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Second of all, don't tolerate any ounce of compromise. Because
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: as soon as you tolerate that compromise, all it takes
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is 1% and they've got the entire house. You know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: if someone did come in your house right now, And
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you said, hey, you can't have my house. You're not
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: welcome here. And they asked you, they said, okay, can
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I just have one nail? Can I just have one
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: nail for your house? And you're like, all right, yeah,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: that's fine. They go outside, they take a dead squirrel
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and they nail it to your wall. That squirrel smell
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: is going to take over. That stench is going to
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: take over this entire house. Just from one little nail.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: If they nail that thing, eventually your house will become
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: rotten because of a dead carcass living on the inside
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: just through one nail. So as soon as we give
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: one nail of compromise in the house of our lives,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: watch out. That's why we repent. Not because we have to.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: We get to. Not because we're trying to make it
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to him because he's made it to us. It's a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: love relationship. You don't give loyalty to your wife because
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you have to. You have loyalty to your wife because
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you want to. You love her. It's a love relationship.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Wow. It's beautiful.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: This doesn't make you want to compromise. People say, oh,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: if you were completely forgiven, I guess now you're just
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: doing whatever you want because you're forgiven. No, no, no, no, man.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Because I saw the forgiveness. I don't want to even
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: walk near the fence of sin. And if I do
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: ever mistake, if I do ever mess up and I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: fall down, I just go back to my dad and say, hey, dad,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I know you love me. I repent of that. He says, Gabriel,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you're forgiven. That's not you. I always believed in you,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: my son. I'm always on your side. That's not you.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Even last week, you know, I'm public about my mistake.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Last week I was, I had a little, I was
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  Speaker 1: so caught up with what I was doing with, with
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  Speaker 1: work and I had to record this thing and I
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  Speaker 1: was a little sharp with my wife and I, I, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she was hungry and I was, all right, you, you
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  Speaker 1: figured out I was, I was a little sharp with her.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember I then went on and I was,
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  Speaker 1: I opened my Bible and immediately as soon as I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: opened my Bible, I felt this conviction of like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, how dare I approach, love himself yet. Yet
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to my wife that way. Like how hypocritical
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  Speaker 1: of me, like I was convicted, you know? And, and
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  Speaker 1: I immediately, I was like, I was like, father, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna be right back. And I went and ran into,
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  Speaker 1: into our room and said, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Allie, I'm so sorry. I should never
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  Speaker 1: talk to you that way. Forgive me, please.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's like, but I wasn't telling her that.
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  Speaker 1: trying to like make God approve of me or get
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: back in God's grace or like, right. Yeah. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: fear based.
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  Speaker 2: It was love based.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh, so yeah, but yeah, from the third heaven,
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  Speaker 1: I did just witness, but I also, I was actually crazy.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: So right before they were going to do a tricky
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  Speaker 1: on me on me. So this was about the week
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  Speaker 1: of November 8th, 2021, roughly around 18 days after my accident,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't getting enough oxygen still. My brain was just
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: like 1% there. You know what I mean? I clarify
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: because people are understandably criticizing. You're like, you weren't dead
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: for 18 days. I don't claim to be dead for
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: 18 days. I did flatline. I was resuscitated, but then
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I was in a coma for 18 days. And if
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I was in heaven maybe for just two minutes of
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: that or all 18 days, I can't tell you because
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I wasn't on the earth. So I just tell you
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that I was with him. That's what I say. However,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: it was right before they were going to do a trach,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: take out my voice forever. Jesus showed me the prayers.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I saw everyone praying over me and, and, and, you know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: my accident had spread and people were praying and maybe
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: even you saw stuff on social media. And you remember
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, pray for Gabe and
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: they weren't really telling details. They were just like, it's
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: not good. Yeah. Um, and that's cause they weren't even
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  Speaker 1: allowing people into my room. Like it was, it was, um,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: even it was really hopeless. Um, just imagine family and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: friends looking at a body that it's like non-responsive for
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  Speaker 1: 18 days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it was right before they're going to do, uh,
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  Speaker 1: do a trach on me. I was sent back to
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  Speaker 1: my body and I saw those prayers and they were
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: like highways. And I, and I was sent back on
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: those highways of prayers and Jesus gathered up the prayers
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: himself into a golden bowl actually. And then he presents
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  Speaker 1: those prayers to the father. And I saw that even
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: if prayers aren't answered on the earth, they are answered
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  Speaker 1: in the father's hands. And there's actually a reward. Even
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: if you don't see answered prayer on the earth, man,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: don't quit because actually you'll see an even greater reward
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  Speaker 1: in heaven I saw. And in heaven isn't like a
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  Speaker 1: plan B or not as good as on earth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think we like think that answered prayer is only
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  Speaker 1: good if it happens on earth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I saw truth is where heaven is. This earth is
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  Speaker 1: just a dim picture. And it's awesome when we see
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  Speaker 1: answered prayer. But even if we don't on the earth, never,
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  Speaker 1: never assume the story's done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw, and I was sent back on
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: his arm of grace, joined with those prayers. Because it's
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: his grace, right? It's by faith, but it's his grace.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And I was sent back, and then I woke up,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and I was miraculously healed. And I'll send you the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: photo of the MRI. It's in my book as well.
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  Speaker 1: The MRI of my skull before and after the miracle.
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  Speaker 1: You can see it filling in. My brain went from
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: mashed potatoes to functional again.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Miraculously, brains are not supposed to heal. Brains aren't like
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: a boo-boo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Victims of accidents like this are mental vegetables for the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: rest of their life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yet for me, my eyes opened.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: One question I have for you is the Bible's very
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  Speaker 2: clear in different portions that we will receive different crowns.
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  Speaker 2: We will receive different glory. Rewards. Rewards for the things
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  Speaker 2: we did on earth. Did you witness that at all?
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  Speaker 1: A part of it, I will say, everyone in heaven
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  Speaker 1: is equally loved, okay, cherished. We're all saved by grace
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: through faith, right? No one makes it to heaven by
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: our works. However, there's a reason Jesus said, he that
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is faithful with a little is rewarded with more. And
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: there are rewards, responsibilities, and we're actually called to rule
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and reign with him, actually. There's a reason the Bible
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: says in Revelations that we're kings of the king, priests
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: of the priest. And so actually in heaven, there are
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  Speaker 1: many rewards, responsibilities, and I don't call them jobs because
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: they're not jobs. They're, they're loves their passions and it's glorious.
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  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, actually in heaven, everyone has a deep
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: understanding of how valuable their time on the earth was.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And there's actually a lot, a lot in heaven that
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: are thankful to be there. However, man, they, they look
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  Speaker 1: back on their time on the earth and they, they
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: are almost, I'm not going to say jealous. There's no
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  Speaker 1: jealousy in heaven, but they are hopeful and they're thankful
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  Speaker 1: that we have time because they see how precious it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And they're, they're praying for us. They're blessing us. They're,
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  Speaker 1: the great witnesses, the Bible talks about in Hebrews because
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: they see how valuable time is on the earth because
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of them actually weren't given a lot of
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: responsibility in heaven. Um, there's a lot in heaven that,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: that actually, yeah, they're not given the same rewards as others.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a utopian, like communist state. I think people
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: think like, it's like equal distribution. It's actually not how
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: heaven works. He's not like a, communist god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah did you get any insight into like why
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: god set it up the way he set it up
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  Speaker 2: like why is there the earth and why is there
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: the heaven and why is the time so valuable on earth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so uh definitely he he entrusted the earth actually
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  Speaker 1: to us and actually time was never actually supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be limiting the earth like it was until adam's fall
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: so before adam actually time didn't exist and that's why
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: now everyone claims the earth is this amount of years
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  Speaker 1: old and And these things, and we see all these
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: things before humanity, it's because time didn't exist. So you
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: can't judge a time that didn't have a time. You
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: can't put a number on something that literally wasn't limited
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: by numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Before the fall.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Before the fall. So people are always fighting about
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: how old the earth is. And I tell them, I'm like,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: you're judging what can't be judged. Interesting. It was outside
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: of time.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: People don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: But why earth? I know that's so like, that's so ethereal,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: but like, why, why did God do earth? Why did
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: he create earth? Why did you get any insight into that?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Cause you're privy now to the different dimensions, the spiritual realm,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the three heavens, but like, we still are here. And
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I know, we know our job is to glorify the
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Lord here. We know our job is faithfulness. We know
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  Speaker 2: our job is love. Yeah. But like, why did he
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  Speaker 2: do it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's like I was kind of mentioning before. So
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: God never needed us. Okay. He had, he had everything.
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  Speaker 1: He is everything. He had the servants and the, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the other creatures in the chair of him and, and, and,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: and Hillel, which is the Hebrew word for Lucifer before
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: he fell.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: He had all these, all these things, but he wanted family.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: He actually made the earth as a, as a way.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: He said, you know what? I don't, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: a slave. I want a son. And I want a
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: son I can actually walk with and I can walk
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: in the garden with him and walk with him spirit
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  Speaker 1: to spirit. He is flesh of my flesh. He's bone
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: of my bone. He's my own image given a chance
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: to create with me. Why did God allow Adam to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: name the animals? You ever thought about that? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's because he wanted...– he didn't just want to tell
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  Speaker 1: Adam everything Adam needed to do. He wanted it to
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: be a family. He wanted Adam to exercise his authority
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  Speaker 1: with him and in him and function as his very body.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Almost like we're the body of Christ.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: What do you know?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway, you know, like, and that's why Jesus is the
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: second Adam.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: That's my question. Like, why did he do earth? Like,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: why not? Why wouldn't he do that in heaven? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If he wants family.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, you're, you're looking at earth as if it
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: was always a broken place. So actually when the earth
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: was first given it, it, it was like.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Peace of heaven.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly. You know? Um, and, and, but then the fall
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: happened and, you know, and, you know, so. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And, but that's why we're going to be given a
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: new earth. Have you ever thought about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Because people kind of are like, well, if we're going
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: to heaven, why would Jesus even make a new earth? Like,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: why don't we just do away with it all? And well,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: actually it's because his plans are amazing for the earth.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Like earth was a part of heaven.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: And so when the new earth is restored, according to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: biblical timelines, it's going to be glorious. Like the new
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Jerusalem is going to be glorious and it really is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: going to be a piece of heaven.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: So you, you had this encounter 2021. It's right around
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: like COVID times. What, what did you get any revelation
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: about some of the current events you could call them
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: or the evils or the strongholds here on the earth?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: It's a storm of chaos and confusion. And I call it,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I call it the beginning of what I call the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: great fire. Now, again, I'm not telling people that, you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: what we're in exactly what we're seeing is exactly the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: full storm, but it is definitely the beginning of what
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I call the storm because the storm is coming. And, um,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: It's why I wasn't surprised with all the war in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the Middle East right now. In fact, on my channel
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of months before it happened, I told everyone,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I said, guys, be very watchful because the storm, we
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: need to be very watchful of the chaos. But most importantly,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it's all about confusion. So it's all the narratives, especially
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: the mainstream media will throw out, man, they're just trying
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: to get us distracted from the real purpose in life, him.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: They're trying to get us to forget about him, be
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: so worried about the headlines. So caught up in what
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: everyone else is talking about. And you forget the entire
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: reason why you were given life.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: That's cool, man. Well, guys, go check out 18 Days
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: in Heaven. Gabe, this has been fun, man. What an
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: amazing conversation. What it's done for me that I didn't
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: expect is it made so many scriptures come to life.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: There's so many things that you touched on. Then I'm like,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: the scripture there, that's biblical. That's biblical. That's biblical. So
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: thank you for that.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's an honor. And I also want to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: tell people, you know, even there's a reason why I've actually,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I've gone back and I've deleted a ton of my videos,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: especially before my accident. In fact, actually, I went back
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and I pretty much deleted almost every YouTube video I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: ever made before my accident.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Which ones in particular?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Which were a lot.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: What were you wrong about?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: So I've been wrong about a lot of things, but
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I wasn't like fully wrong. Gotcha, gotcha. It was just like.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Quarter turn off.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like enough to be wrong. And so I think
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: people do, especially now with my book coming out, they
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: are really judging a lot of things. The Reddit threads
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: are kind of going wild right now. And actually, my
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: response is like, guys, first of all, if you want
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: to reach out to me, let's do an interview. Let's talk,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you about all the things I was
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: wrong on. But to go on specific some things, this
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: is not a God you work towards. Also, okay, I'll
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: talk about something. Money specifically. I don't know why we
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: teach God's grace and like God's salvation. God's going to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: save you and God's going to give you grace. But
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: then like, if it's money, you have to give a
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: certain amount. And if you don't give that certain amount,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: God's not going to bless you, man. Like your life's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: done for.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And if you don't give a certain amount to this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: organization and let's give an offering message for like an
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: hour long and let's see how much we can pull
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: out of the people. That's kind of sick. And so
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: after coming back, I actually really started calling things like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that out. And before I was, I was like, Oh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I would say things like, you know, don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: touch the Lord's anointed. And, but now I'm not afraid
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to call things out because, and, and I don't manipulate
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: scripture to work some agenda.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: And say like, don't, don't dishonor your leaders. Well, I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: believe honoring leaders is speaking the truth.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Like I don't believe in, in manipulating people. I don't
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: believe in shakedowns. I don't believe God's some genie. I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: don't even believe prayer is like, this like slot machine, like,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: all right, let me work this prayer machine. Like, let
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: me see what I can get out of God.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of what you learned was like tactical.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Were there any big theological things that you're like, Ooh,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: we're working off on that.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Theologically. The biggest thing was, was we are not because
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of our own ability and we are not because of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: what we present. And I know we even teach like this,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: like salvation by grace thing. But we still have a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: culture that is like, all right, you give your life
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to Jesus, but now we really need to see your
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: life change. And we need to see you. How often
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: are you attending that church? And what does your life
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: look like? Is your life really saved? And let's see
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: if I can really judge if you're a Christian or not.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: We are so focused on everything we present.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: And we've truly forgotten it's in Him that we live
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and move and breathe and have our function. The Bible
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: says in Acts. Yeah. And so... I've seen that church
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: and religion, especially in America, it's all about ourselves. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: we go to these Sunday mornings to just feel good
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: about ourselves and feel encouraged and, you know, feel better.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like the Christ, I saw him on the cross.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: He didn't die for one day of our week. He
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: didn't die for some of our lives. He didn't even
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: die for something we just claim. He died for our
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: entire life. All of us. He can't take some of us.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: He doesn't. He wants it all.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Dude. Guys, go get your copy of 18 Days in Heaven.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: It's out now. I'm so excited to read this one.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro. Thank you so much for being faithful
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: to the call to share this. And you've gotten criticism.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Anyone that says they went to heaven is going to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: get criticism. But it's really cool that you don't care
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: because you've stood before him face to face. And so, guys,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: go check it out. go get the book, follow Gabe.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Where can they find you online? Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Well, and I also say, my testimony is not to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: be taken as biblical canon. Instead, it's to be judged
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: against Scripture. And so I have an entire chapter in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: my book where I reference Daniel, Ezekiel, even Stephen as
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: he was being martyred in the book of Acts, had
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: an encounter with a part of heaven as he was
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  Speaker 1: going up. Even the entire book of Revelation is John's
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  Speaker 1: encounter with Jesus that he lived to tell the story
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  Speaker 1: of the heaven he saw. And so... So I challenge people.
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  Speaker 1: My testimony is only to encourage them back to Scripture,
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  Speaker 1: and it is not to be taken outside of Scripture.
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  Speaker 1: And if there's anything I say that people are like,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't align with Scripture, kick it out. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: bothered by that. Throw it to the trash. I am
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  Speaker 1: to be held accountable to Scripture. So I welcome criticism.
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  Speaker 1: I even invite people that criticize me. I say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: interview me. Let's talk about it. So I welcome that.
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  Speaker 1: People can find me on YouTube or Instagram. I still
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  Speaker 1: try to go through every one of my YouTube comments.
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  Speaker 1: So I tell them to comment. Please let me know
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  Speaker 1: what they think of the book. Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll link all that in the show notes and
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  Speaker 2: in the description. Gabe, thanks for being on the Jesus
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  Speaker 2: People podcast, man. What an honor. This was fun.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 2: All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you
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  Speaker 2: next week.