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Van-Life Girl Gabby: Clues Left Behind · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tick, tick tick. The clock is ticking down and still
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Speaker 1: no sign of twenty two year old Van Life girl
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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito. This as we learn in the last hours
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Speaker 1: that Gabby Petito's family have been instructed by police not
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Speaker 1: to speak openly about Gabby's relationship with boyfriend Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: Why there's so much happening in the case right now,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you right off the bat tip line
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Speaker 1: one eight hundred call FBI one eight hundred, two two
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Speaker 1: five five three two four IMNC Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: KSL TV well. Authorities are keeping details of their search
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Speaker 1: for twenty two year old Gabby Petito close to the vest.
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Speaker 1: I can't give you any specifics on areas of interest.
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Speaker 1: They're hoping accounts like Shannon Bakers. We drove through Tetons.
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Speaker 1: The only stop we made was at Jenny Lake. We'll
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Speaker 1: narrow down the search in the parks three hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten thousand acres. It had a black ladder on the
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Speaker 1: back and the two black roof racks on top two bars,
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Speaker 1: and we made the comment that would be the perfect
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Speaker 1: little camper van to go around. Then Baker says it
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Speaker 1: was five PM on August twenty fifth when she and
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Speaker 1: her husband Russell spotted Potito's van in the Jenny Lake
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Speaker 1: parking area. My husband looked at it and goes, that's
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Speaker 1: the same vehicle they used on American pickers. Baker says
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Speaker 1: they didn't think much of the van until Sunday and
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Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, that's the same van we saw.
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Speaker 1: The Bakers didn't get a picture, but they're certain they
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Speaker 1: saw the van, and so is Tito's family, and they
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Speaker 1: were very detailed about the description. So I do believe
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Speaker 1: that they saw the van. So the van was spotted
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Speaker 1: in the Tetons, but they didn't see Gabby and apparently
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Speaker 1: didn't see boyfriend Brian Laundry. This among many updates happening
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Speaker 1: right now. Let's break it down together. Joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of it all. Dale Carson,
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, joining me out of Jacksonville, former FBI
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Speaker 1: and cop, author of Arrest Proof for Yourself. Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall renounced Psychoanalysts, joining us out of Beverly Hills. She
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Speaker 1: is at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Star of a
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Speaker 1: new Netflix show, Bling Empire, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and star of a new series on iHeart. The Piketon
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Speaker 1: Massacre returned to Pike County. The founder and director of
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Speaker 1: the Coal Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum. You can find
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Speaker 1: rich colecas crimes dot org. She also a forensic expert
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Speaker 1: and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Nicole Parton, Guys,
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Speaker 1: so much is happening right now? Nicole Parton, what's the
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Speaker 1: very latest? Nancy, the very latest? Gabby's family putting out
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Speaker 1: a desperate message to Brian, specifically his parents, a desperate
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Speaker 1: message almost begging them to come forward with any information,
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Speaker 1: saying things like, as a parent, please do the right thing.
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Speaker 1: Tell us at least the last time that he saw her,
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Speaker 1: the last place that he saw her. Desperate for any answers,
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Speaker 1: begging Brian and his parents to come forward and speak.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're absolutely correct, Nicole parton,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: sixty four. This is Jeff Peterira at ABC seven. Gabby
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Speaker 1: Petito's father was filled with emotion, today as he begged
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry to come forward with the answers yet again.
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Speaker 1: And he's not the only one demanding answers. If it
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Speaker 1: was my daughter that was missing, I can't think of
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Speaker 1: anybody that would stop me from going in that house,
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Speaker 1: grabbing me a kid and finding out information. Jason stern
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Speaker 1: Quist and his family got out sharpies and poster boards.
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Speaker 1: They began writing and pleading for Laundry to speak up.
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Speaker 1: And I knew, imagine your daughter's dating some guy. They
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Speaker 1: go on a road trip and then that's it. Stern
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Speaker 1: Quist says he's trying to help, not only because he
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Speaker 1: lives near Laundry. First thing you think it was, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, it's my back yard, but because he has
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Speaker 1: three daughters of his own. Bring peace to this woman's family. Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the family members did speak at I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about the Laundry family. While the boyfriend, Brian Laundry has
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Speaker 1: holed up in his parents' home, neither he nor parents
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Speaker 1: speaking our seventy eight. This is abs see seven. You
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Speaker 1: hear his sister speaking. Listen. She has not been seen
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Speaker 1: in twenty two days now and her fiance, Brian is
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Speaker 1: not talking to police about it, but her boyfriend's sister
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Speaker 1: now says she hopes this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. Watch. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: me and my family want Gabby to be found safe.
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Speaker 1: She's like a sister and my children love her, and
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Speaker 1: all I want is for her to come home safe
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Speaker 1: and found, and this to be just a big misunderstanding.
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Speaker 1: He always does the right thing, Like in the bodycam
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Speaker 1: he's he's cooperates with the police, and he's a wonderful uncle,
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Speaker 1: and he's always been there when I need him. But
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Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's been there everytime Gabby's needed him. Really,
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Speaker 1: because on that body camp footage Gabby Petita shows cops,
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Speaker 1: she gesticulates if you watch the entire thing where she
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Speaker 1: says boyfriend Brian Laundry grabbed her by the chin as
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Speaker 1: shook her, and AU see him later on patting his
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Speaker 1: pocket going yeah, I got the keys right here, And
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Speaker 1: that coincides with her saying I was trying to get
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Speaker 1: back in the van. He locked me out. It's her
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Speaker 1: van number one, and he locked her out in some
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Speaker 1: kind of a power play out in the middle of
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Speaker 1: nowhere in the desert. For Pete's sake, of course, she
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Speaker 1: got upset, So I don't know if that's doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing. Take a listen to more of the sister.
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Speaker 1: This is on GMA. Laundry's sister Cassie says even she
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Speaker 1: hasn't spoken to her brother since he returned to his
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Speaker 1: home in Florida from his in Gabby's cross country trip
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Speaker 1: without Gabby. I haven't been able to talk to him.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could talk to him, and I've cooperated
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Speaker 1: it every way that I can. I wish I had
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Speaker 1: information here, I would give more. This is all I have.
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Speaker 1: Is I gave to the police. That's it. He's not
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Speaker 1: even speaking to his sister. Let's bring in the panel again.
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Speaker 1: Of course, as I mentioned, Nicole Parton joining US Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter straight out to Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: founder director of Cold Case Research Institute, and we have
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Speaker 1: worked together for many, many years in the trenches investigating cases,
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Speaker 1: even up until this very day. Cheryl McCollum, that's one
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Speaker 1: heck of a misunderstanding. I could see you right now
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Speaker 1: in court with a big old poster that says, obviously,
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Speaker 1: obviously y'all want her found. Here's what's obvious. You ain't
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Speaker 1: looking for her. You're not calling her phone, you're not
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Speaker 1: texting her. You're not frantic, you are not petrified that
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Speaker 1: something's happened to her. You're at home, chilling in Florida,
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Speaker 1: going well, hope she turns up. Hope. It's a misunderstanding.
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Speaker 1: She's like a sister, like a sister to who she
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Speaker 1: ain't like a sister to you. Otherwise you would be
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Speaker 1: in the mohab looking for You would be texting her
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Speaker 1: please respond where are you? You would be find my iPhone.
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Speaker 1: You would be posted all over social media, please help
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Speaker 1: us find her. You ain't doing none of that. And
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Speaker 1: speaking of find my iPhone, you know this, Cheryl. You
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Speaker 1: know when the twins, my children went down to play
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Speaker 1: their instruments at Disney with their school, and then they
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Speaker 1: were allowed to kind of wander around Disney. You know,
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Speaker 1: I was doing a back clip over that. So of course,
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Speaker 1: after surreptitiously following them down, I had on the Find
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Speaker 1: my iPhone and the Life three sixty and it shows
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Speaker 1: you everywhere they're walking. So who's doing that? Where is
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Speaker 1: Gabbies sell phone? Take a listen to our cut sixty seven.
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Speaker 1: This is the Northport Police pressor learn to do from
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Speaker 1: the van or from the phone bill. Right now, we're
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Speaker 1: still analyzing all that data, which takes time to forensically
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Speaker 1: analyze all that The body video, I to go all outs,
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Speaker 1: I offering any staging position. We look at everything that's
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Speaker 1: coming in. As far as that had having to do
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Speaker 1: anything with the disappearance, we don't know. I mean, yes,
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Speaker 1: they had a the servants, Yes it was captured on
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Speaker 1: body Fammer of their interaction with Lawford them. But beyond that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it has to do
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Speaker 1: with the disappearance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Can we
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Speaker 1: talk about her cell phone? Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics
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Speaker 1: at Jackson will State University. You hear Cheryl McCullum bring up,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, the most obvious way to track her, says,
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Speaker 1: Laundry's not Laundry is not speaking. I mean, he's the
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Speaker 1: one that was with her. He comes back with a van,
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Speaker 1: but no, Gabby, he can't even tell us where he
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Speaker 1: left her. I mean, best case scenario they got when
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Speaker 1: you don't know a horse. Look at the trick record.
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Speaker 1: She was afraid he'd leave her. Why is she think
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Speaker 1: that she was locked out of the van? As Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCallum earlier pointed out to me, he patted his pocket
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Speaker 1: and when I got the keys. What kind of power
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Speaker 1: play is that to lock your girlfriend out of her
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Speaker 1: own van in the middle of the desert, for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 1: So in my mind, that's a track record of locking
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Speaker 1: her out and she's afraid he's going to leave her?
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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? In my mind, that's the best
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Speaker 1: possibility that he just got mad and left her somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Why can't they find the phone or have they found it?
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they found it or not, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that he has had
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Speaker 1: possession of this van for a protracted period of time
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Speaker 1: without it being in the possession of the police, and
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Speaker 1: he has had a sufficient amount of time to disrupt
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Speaker 1: or get rid of any kind of evidence that could
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Speaker 1: point to her whereabouts or what has occurred with her.
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Speaker 1: I think that it's significant, though, that the police have
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Speaker 1: not moved word relative to dragging him out of that
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Speaker 1: house based on evidence that they may have recovered in
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Speaker 1: that van. You would think, because now we're under a
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Speaker 1: real time crunch, you would think that they would look
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Speaker 1: for anything to develop probable cause to develop a warrant
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Speaker 1: to drag him out, but that has not occurred. So
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Speaker 1: it leaves me wondering what did he do with this
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Speaker 1: vand what did he do with the phone? In the meantime,
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Speaker 1: all of these days that have ticked off the close,
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Speaker 1: let's just figure out, Cheryl McCollum, let's talk about that
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Speaker 1: triangulation of a cell phone. And I just circle back
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Speaker 1: to del Carson dotor Bethy on this just God started
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Speaker 1: his comments on who had the cell phone last? I
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Speaker 1: can tell you this. Gabby's mother tells me point blank
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Speaker 1: the last text she received ostensibly from Gabby. It's not
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Speaker 1: from Gabby, and I'll tell you why. Number one, it
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Speaker 1: was not her vernacular, her speech. I mean, Cheryl, you'd
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Speaker 1: pass out if I sent you a text it was
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Speaker 1: two paragraphs long with perfect punctuation and complete sentences. That's
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Speaker 1: not going to happen, okay. So the people have a
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Speaker 1: way of expressing themselves via speech, the writing with a
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Speaker 1: writing pen or on their computer or laptop versus text.
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Speaker 1: You have a unique style of writing on text. Number one,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't her style. And number two, and even more telling,
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Speaker 1: it said no sales service in Yosemite. They weren't even
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Speaker 1: near Yosemite. I took you my twents to Yosemite about
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Speaker 1: four years ago, and then recently to the Tetons and Yellowstone.
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Speaker 1: They're nowhere near each other. That was not even part
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Speaker 1: of the plan to go to Yosemite. So well, and
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Speaker 1: the timing that was on about ODG twenty nine ish. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know that Brian Laundry's back home parked in his parents'
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Speaker 1: driveway on September one. There is no way they could
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Speaker 1: have gotten from Semite or Yellowstone all the way back
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Speaker 1: home in thirty six hours. That's not gonna happen. So
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Speaker 1: he National Park mentioned in the fake text and be
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Speaker 1: physically impossible, right, And it also gets rid of well,
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Speaker 1: did they just separate voluntarily? Did she tell him to
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Speaker 1: go back home while she stayed somewhere with friends. We
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Speaker 1: know that because he sent a bogus tech he did that.
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Speaker 1: But let me tell you something he ain't thinking about.
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Speaker 1: He ain't thinking about her Apple Watch. That watch has
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Speaker 1: its own GPS. That watch can also track if it's
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Speaker 1: away from the phone, So when people do their jogging,
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Speaker 1: they can track those bad data the same way your
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Speaker 1: cell phones can do it. So I think the FBI
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Speaker 1: has owned to some things, but he is not aware
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Speaker 1: they can do. Let's talk about that the Apple Watch
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Speaker 1: versus a fitbit jump in Cheryl. That Apple watch cannot
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Speaker 1: only track your activity, it can check your heart rate
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Speaker 1: and it has like a virametric alimeter that can tell
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Speaker 1: if you're, you know, increasing your altitude or you're decreasing
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Speaker 1: your elevation. So that watch is going to have a
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Speaker 1: ton of information for law enforcement. Jep J. Scott, Well,
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Speaker 1: my thought is that the biometric issue is going to
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Speaker 1: be key relative to what's going on with her from
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Speaker 1: a physiological standpoint. And of course, you know, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to think about worst case scenarios, but look, we're
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Speaker 1: right in the middle of it right now, and tracking
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Speaker 1: her and what's going on with her as in her
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Speaker 1: person is very significant. When we start to look at
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Speaker 1: this timeline Nancy, how are they going to be able
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Speaker 1: to track her down and what was going on with
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Speaker 1: her physiologically at that particular moment in time, and can
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Speaker 1: can they triangulate this phone or this wrist watch back
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Speaker 1: to her specific location where she was last found? Again,
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Speaker 1: I go back to this idea that Laundry has had
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Speaker 1: a sufficient amount of tom I know, to clean out
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Speaker 1: of the van. I'm trying to talk to you about
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Speaker 1: tracking her on her iPhone or her Apple Watch. That's
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about now, Cheryl McCollum. How is it done?
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Speaker 1: So basically, this watch can work whether you have cellular
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Speaker 1: or Wi Fi, So if she's connected, even at a
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Speaker 1: cafe or somewhere, it can start tracking. If she's on
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Speaker 1: a hike, so all of a sudden, that watch is
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Speaker 1: going to be able to show if she goes eighty
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Speaker 1: feet in a relatively short period of time up or down.
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Speaker 1: So let's say she fell or she was pushed, that
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Speaker 1: watch could possibly indicate that breas. It also could track
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Speaker 1: your heart rate, so it may show if the heart
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Speaker 1: rate has stopped, for example. There's a lot of information here.
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Speaker 1: Even if she does not have her phone near her,
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Speaker 1: you can send and receive text messages. So again, if
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Speaker 1: that has thtopped as of August twenty fifth, she hasn't
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Speaker 1: bought anything off Apple pay off that watch. She hasn't
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Speaker 1: taken a photograph, she has not done a voice memo.
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Speaker 1: All of these things are gonna show what did occur
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Speaker 1: before August twenty five and more importantly, what's occurred after
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Speaker 1: it's just her iPhone that we're talking about, it's the
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Speaker 1: Apple Watch as well. Now I've asked Joe Scott and
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum to explain how it's done. Both of them
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Speaker 1: go off on their own individual tangents. This is how
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Speaker 1: it's done. You know, when you're going down the street
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Speaker 1: and you pass a cell tower, whether you're on a
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Speaker 1: phone call or not, if your phone is on, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you can see your bars go up and down. When
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Speaker 1: you go buy a cell tower, your phone, unbeknownst to you,
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Speaker 1: pings off that cell tower. And then you go five
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Speaker 1: miles and you ping off another cell tower, and another
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Speaker 1: and another. Wherever you're getting a connection, your phone is pinging.
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Speaker 1: Identifying is the only way I can say it off
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Speaker 1: that cell tower. It's like, let me think of a
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Speaker 1: different way to say. When you use a key card
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Speaker 1: to get into your office, you hold it up and
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Speaker 1: you go in. It's just like that when you pass
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Speaker 1: a cell tower, your phone identifies and pings off the
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Speaker 1: cell tower. So what I think they would be doing
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Speaker 1: is trying to figure out where her cell phone last pinged.
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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace now just got Morgan. I know,
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Speaker 1: three strikes and I'm out. I'm gonna try one more time,
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Speaker 1: okay with her phone. Once it's cut off, it's not
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Speaker 1: gonna paying anymore. Could you, in lay person talk civilian talk,
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Speaker 1: explain the process of triangulation, Well, the triangulation what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about are three separate phone towers where you can
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Speaker 1: ping in on a specific location. So you have three
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Speaker 1: separate locations where this information, this data is coming back
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Speaker 1: to to give you one central location. That was brilliant, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Del Carson, I hear you jumping in, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Jacksonville, former FBI, And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when youth, when I
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Speaker 1: find out the FBI is on my case, I stop
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Speaker 1: in my tracks. The FBI is on this case. That
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Speaker 1: tells me a lot. Del Carson, former FBI. What does
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Speaker 1: it tell you? The FBI looking for Gabby? They're investigating
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Speaker 1: as well. Well. They bring a lot of technical sophistication
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Speaker 1: to the problem that other departments simply don't have access.
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Speaker 1: That involves essay and other people who can help locate
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Speaker 1: and have the analytical ability to look at things like
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Speaker 1: triangulation and other things. Stop right there, Stop right there,
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Speaker 1: because I think you're absolutely right, But I want to
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Speaker 1: explain what you're saying analytical ability. I'm anybody on the
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Speaker 1: palel and knows what we're talking about, jumping if you
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Speaker 1: can explain it, because I don't explain this as well
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Speaker 1: as you guys might be able to. What we're saying
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Speaker 1: is analytical ability to make sense of all the scientific
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Speaker 1: data about triangulation, about finding your iPhone, finding her Apple Watch.
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Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever looked at coding? My shouldren
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Speaker 1: show me their coding' It's crazy. It's like mumbo jumbo.
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Speaker 1: And unless you know how to analyze this, you're up
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Speaker 1: the creek without a paddle. So he's right. Non Carson
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Speaker 1: is right former FBI. The FBI have people that do
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Speaker 1: nothing but analyze this data. Okay, go ahead. Oh, the
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Speaker 1: analysis of that data will help locate things like where
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Speaker 1: she lasts predictably was and those things are critical because
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Speaker 1: you only have a finite amount of resources to devote
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Speaker 1: to doing ground searches, which has to be done. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's a little question that she was dropped off or
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Speaker 1: ran off some place, and the result is she's out
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Speaker 1: there by herself somewhere in twenty two days. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to circle back with you, Jo Scott
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Speaker 1: about the possibility of surviving in the wilderness for twenty
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Speaker 1: two days now. She's called van life girl for a reason.
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Speaker 1: She's not called a hardcore camper girl or wilderness survival
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Speaker 1: girl or extreme wilderness girl. She's called van life girl.
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Speaker 1: There's a big difference in crossing the country in a
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Speaker 1: van and living in the wilderness. It's very hard to
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Speaker 1: live and survive in the wilderness for this long. I
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Speaker 1: want to bring in our expert joining me out of
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Speaker 1: la Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psychoanalyst Bethany, I've got so
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Speaker 1: much to ask you about, but let me just say,
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Speaker 1: as a big umbrella for all of us, Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: has not been named as a suspect in her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: He has been named as a person of interest, Doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Two things just jump out at me. Number one, the
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Speaker 1: power play of locking her out of the car. It's
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Speaker 1: not like me locking David out of the car the
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Speaker 1: mini van until he says, I love you more than anything,
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Speaker 1: and then I laugh and let him in. Okay, it's
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Speaker 1: not that you're out in the desert and extreme temperatures,
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Speaker 1: very very very rugged terraink just took the children out
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Speaker 1: to hear the Tetons and Yellowstone. It's tough. It's tough,
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Speaker 1: and we were not on the most difficult trails at all.
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Speaker 1: That the power play, I've got the key right here
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Speaker 1: in my pocket. It's her van. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: you've got the key in your pocket? And telling her
22:23
Speaker 1: to calm down. Also the sister, the sister appearing emerging
22:32
Speaker 1: suddenly to say, basically, I don't know anything. He hasn't
22:36
Speaker 1: even taught to his own sister. Okay, you take it
22:39
Speaker 1: in your order that us doctor Bethany. Okay, Well, the
22:41
Speaker 1: first thing that stand out is that she doesn't have
22:44
Speaker 1: a cellphone. What one person on the face of this planet,
22:49
Speaker 1: unless they're in a developing country, does not her cell phones.
22:53
Speaker 1: She has all the resources, she has the VAM, she
22:56
Speaker 1: has the watch. She has a cellphone also, the only
23:00
Speaker 1: one supporting this trip. That's one form of power you
23:05
Speaker 1: see in a relationship. Why do you think he doesn't
23:07
Speaker 1: have a cell phone. No, I wasn't wondering. I think
23:09
Speaker 1: that's a really important thing to explore me. I don't
23:12
Speaker 1: know why you would say he doesn't have a cell phone.
23:14
Speaker 1: Let's go with the facts that we do know. We
23:16
Speaker 1: do know he locked her out of the car, out
23:19
Speaker 1: of the van, and we do know the sister doesn't
23:23
Speaker 1: know anything because he's not talking to her and he's
23:25
Speaker 1: hiding out in his parents house. Those are the things
23:27
Speaker 1: we know. Let's talk about that. Nancy, can I jump in? Oh,
23:30
Speaker 1: dear lord mad if you didn't go ahead? Well, the
23:35
Speaker 1: one thing Gabby asked the police officer is to make
23:38
Speaker 1: sure he had a charger, and he said on the
23:41
Speaker 1: body cam, yeah, I found one. I had to crawl around,
23:43
Speaker 1: but I found one. What the hell do you need
23:45
Speaker 1: a charger for if he ain't got a cell phone? Okay,
23:48
Speaker 1: case solved. He had a cell phone, so another thing.
23:51
Speaker 1: We can track his movements on his cell phone as well,
23:54
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't tell us where her phone was ultimately
23:57
Speaker 1: cut off or where it is right now. Okay. Well,
24:01
Speaker 1: one of the things he says to the officers is
24:04
Speaker 1: that he encourages them to take some time apart. And
24:08
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because that's an anger management meniever.
24:12
Speaker 1: It tells me that he's taken some anger management classes.
24:16
Speaker 1: One or two. The first things we teach men, especially
24:20
Speaker 1: in anger management, is if shares of fight, you give
24:25
Speaker 1: the other person permission to walk away or you walk away,
24:29
Speaker 1: because normally when couples are fighting one person or the other,
24:33
Speaker 1: if we walk away, the perpetrator or their abuse or
24:36
Speaker 1: becomes frantics don't leave me, you're going to leave me,
24:39
Speaker 1: or going to be trade me. They become very jealis
24:42
Speaker 1: and insecure, so they stop the victim from leaving. So
24:46
Speaker 1: is just a something he brings up to the two officers.
24:49
Speaker 1: So it told me he's trying to be a good guy.
24:52
Speaker 1: The second thing is when I'm watching these two officers
24:55
Speaker 1: kind of debate back and forth about see various stories
24:59
Speaker 1: about why he hit the curb. He says she grabbed
25:03
Speaker 1: the wheel, she says, no, she hit the arm. This
25:07
Speaker 1: is how a couple of scarping successions sound. When there's
25:11
Speaker 1: domestic violence involved, you can never get a straight story.
25:14
Speaker 1: It's very confusing. You spend so much time trying to
25:18
Speaker 1: work out the details of who did what, it is
25:21
Speaker 1: hard to get to edd down to the actual psychodynamics
25:24
Speaker 1: of the relationship. So I'm hearing like a domestic againes situation.
25:29
Speaker 1: Already just in what the officers or officers we're talking about? Okay,
25:33
Speaker 1: can I cut the shishra here? What do you think
25:35
Speaker 1: about the power apply of he am locking her out
25:38
Speaker 1: of the van. That's where all the food is, that's
25:41
Speaker 1: where her stuff is, that's her only way home. What
25:44
Speaker 1: does that mean? That's my original question to you. It's
25:47
Speaker 1: not the first time he's done this. He's doing it
25:50
Speaker 1: in a wilderness area where she has no place to
25:55
Speaker 1: get to safety. He has all the resources. I think
25:59
Speaker 1: it's it's a powerfully in the relationship. I had told
26:02
Speaker 1: me that she relates to go on the basis of power,
26:05
Speaker 1: not on the basis of affection. But there's a power
26:08
Speaker 1: dynamic in this relationship that probably runs consistently through all
26:13
Speaker 1: of their interactions Climb stories with Nancy Grace. You know,
26:27
Speaker 1: Cheryl mccallumby ask you a question, why are you talking
26:30
Speaker 1: about Gabby Petito's Apple Watch? Do you believe she had
26:33
Speaker 1: an Apple Watch? Yeah, and several of the pictures she's
26:35
Speaker 1: wearing it, so she was either wearing it that day
26:37
Speaker 1: or it's in the van. But again, it will yield
26:40
Speaker 1: some information. You know, I've looked at a lot of
26:42
Speaker 1: them and in some of them she's got it on
26:45
Speaker 1: and some of them she doesn't. But even if she
26:48
Speaker 1: didn't have it on, it would still reveal information about
26:54
Speaker 1: where the van was if it was in her van,
26:58
Speaker 1: or she may have it on right now for all
27:00
Speaker 1: I know. And to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, what do
27:03
Speaker 1: you make of the fact that the sister, according to her,
27:07
Speaker 1: also has not spoken with the boyfriend, Brian Laundry. You're
27:12
Speaker 1: talking about her sister, Dawdy's sister. No, I'm talking about David.
27:16
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's sister appeared this morning on National TV and
27:22
Speaker 1: said this is all just a big misunderstanding. I hope
27:26
Speaker 1: it is, and too that even she has not spoken
27:32
Speaker 1: to her brother. Her brother, Brian Laundry has also not
27:36
Speaker 1: even taught to his own sister about what happened to Gabby.
27:38
Speaker 1: How do you not talk to your own brother about
27:41
Speaker 1: your future sister in law going lissing. I mean, the
27:45
Speaker 1: whole mention knows the story right now. You can't pick
27:49
Speaker 1: up the phone and call your own brother and talk
27:51
Speaker 1: about it. She's definitely distancing herself. The family picture of
27:56
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's family seems to be to co up in
28:00
Speaker 1: stanth of their members. And I am guessing that this
28:03
Speaker 1: is not the first time this has happened. I just
28:05
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that they have a long history of accommodating
28:09
Speaker 1: to Brian, of covering up for him. And you know,
28:12
Speaker 1: you were a family member. There's a black sheep that
28:15
Speaker 1: does things that are wrong or criminal or abuse abusive,
28:20
Speaker 1: you know what was Hamsons. In certain families, if they
28:23
Speaker 1: start to cover up for that family member, they start
28:26
Speaker 1: to deny it. They start to say, oh, he's really
28:29
Speaker 1: a good guy, he would never do something like that.
28:31
Speaker 1: And the denial and the accommodation becomes so thick and
28:36
Speaker 1: so powerful that with each meaning this deed, they rationalize
28:40
Speaker 1: it even more. So. I think that his sister is
28:43
Speaker 1: she rationalizing it, and she says Gavine is like a
28:46
Speaker 1: sister to her. You know what, if Gavine was like
28:49
Speaker 1: a sister to her, she would be talking to every
28:51
Speaker 1: news outlet. She would be searching for her sister in
28:56
Speaker 1: law to be. She doesn't seem to be. She seems
28:58
Speaker 1: to be discussing on herself in any explanation to anything. Guys,
29:04
Speaker 1: we are now learning that, according to police, they have
29:08
Speaker 1: a new wrinkle, a new wrinkle in the search for Gabby.
29:13
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seventy two. Do you
29:17
Speaker 1: know that you are ruling out it's really to talk about.
29:19
Speaker 1: But they're not ruling out any connections awful homicide that
29:22
Speaker 1: happened there as well. You will get to that if
29:24
Speaker 1: they're a plus inmulation that we have communication going back
29:28
Speaker 1: and forth with Grand County Sheriff's office. We've provided them
29:33
Speaker 1: with whatever information we could. They don't have any suspect
29:37
Speaker 1: information right now, so you would have to refer that
29:39
Speaker 1: to them, But they hold us that they're looking at everything.
29:43
Speaker 1: At this point here and hearing the presser by the
29:45
Speaker 1: Northport Police in Florida, he's referring to the double homicide
29:50
Speaker 1: of two young women outdoor enthusiast campers with a very
29:55
Speaker 1: odd connection to Gabby Petito victim Kylan Shilty just twenty four,
30:03
Speaker 1: and Crystal Turner, both found dead at a Utah campsite.
30:09
Speaker 1: And here are some similarities that I have analyzed. They
30:13
Speaker 1: are all three thin, fair females traveling without a male companion,
30:23
Speaker 1: physical appearance, very similar same age, Shilty twenty four, Gabby
30:28
Speaker 1: twenty two. The time a link the double murder of
30:33
Speaker 1: these two female campers is just a few days after
30:39
Speaker 1: Gabby Petito has the fight with Brian Laundry and a
30:44
Speaker 1: very serious connection. One of the victims worked at the
30:49
Speaker 1: Moonflower co Op where Gabby had the fight the argument
30:57
Speaker 1: with Brian Laundry. Shortly after that, the two of them
31:03
Speaker 1: go camping. Their bodies were found partially undressed August twelve.
31:10
Speaker 1: We don't know what day they were murdered in the woods.
31:15
Speaker 1: Gabby goes missing, excuse me the fight Gabby has August twelve.
31:19
Speaker 1: Their bodies were found six days later August eighteen. To
31:25
Speaker 1: Del Carson, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville
31:28
Speaker 1: and former fed with the FBI, what do you think
31:30
Speaker 1: about the similarities? Well, we know from serial killers that
31:36
Speaker 1: they frequent certain areas picking up potential victims, and it's
31:42
Speaker 1: simple to imagine that Gabby being upset could become a
31:47
Speaker 1: target for one of these individuals who has absolutely no
31:54
Speaker 1: connection to the rest of us in the sense that
31:56
Speaker 1: he's a sociopath, and he would come up and just say, hey,
32:01
Speaker 1: let me help you. And that's how Bundy, a notorious
32:05
Speaker 1: Siller killer serial killer, approach victims and was very successful,
32:12
Speaker 1: as we know, well, you know what, that's what Israel
32:15
Speaker 1: Keys did who killed the Alaskan barista Samantha Koenig, would
32:22
Speaker 1: go to camp sites, ur V sites and try to
32:24
Speaker 1: find people. But you're right, and I want to point
32:26
Speaker 1: out that both of those victims, Kylan Shilty and Crystal
32:32
Speaker 1: Turner had told their friends when they were camping out
32:35
Speaker 1: there was a creepy man bothering them, and they actually
32:39
Speaker 1: moved camp sites and then were found dead. And they said,
32:42
Speaker 1: a creepy guy's bothering us. If we turn up dead,
32:45
Speaker 1: he did it. And I also want to point out
32:48
Speaker 1: that the cops had issued a warning just days before
32:51
Speaker 1: that about a guy I think had abandoned his campsite.
32:57
Speaker 1: There were thirty weapons found there, including eyes, hatchet's crossboat,
33:01
Speaker 1: and several swords. Now, Cheryl McCullum, is Gabby a victim
33:09
Speaker 1: of the killer of these two young women. I mean
33:12
Speaker 1: one of them worked at Moonflower co Op and that's
33:17
Speaker 1: where Gabby had her argument, whereas the argument started anyway
33:22
Speaker 1: with Brian Laudry and then within days they're dead and
33:26
Speaker 1: she's missing. That's quite a connection. Do I think it's
33:30
Speaker 1: the same person? Probably not, because there's so many other indicators.
33:36
Speaker 1: It could be something very, very different. But that's quite
33:39
Speaker 1: a coincidence, Cheryl. It is a coincidence that law enforcement
33:43
Speaker 1: would have to look at. But again, her fiance returned
33:47
Speaker 1: home without her. Yes, that's like a glaring clue right there.
33:53
Speaker 1: And the fact that he was there jos got Morgan.
33:56
Speaker 1: We can place him there at September one, and the
34:02
Speaker 1: mother didn't report her missing until September eleven, when she
34:06
Speaker 1: realized what was happening. Joe Scott, Yeah, yeah, And you
34:10
Speaker 1: wonder how these timelines marry up. One interesting thing though,
34:13
Speaker 1: is that when these two were having the argument I'm
34:16
Speaker 1: referring to Gabby and Laundry, You remember, the police told
34:21
Speaker 1: them that they were going to have to separate. Well,
34:24
Speaker 1: how one of the interesting things is that, allegedly, one
34:28
Speaker 1: of the things that I've come across is that he
34:30
Speaker 1: was directed to go to a hotel or a motel
34:34
Speaker 1: there in Moab. Yeah. Well, the name of the motel
34:37
Speaker 1: or this area is actually not a motel. It's a
34:39
Speaker 1: Sea Caven Family Crisis Center that's two blocks away from
34:44
Speaker 1: the Moonflower Paint that again place, sure, sure, Yeah, he
34:49
Speaker 1: was directed to go and spend the night away from her.
34:53
Speaker 1: Remember doctor Bethany was mentioned this just a moment ago.
34:57
Speaker 1: The location he was sent to was not actually a motel.
35:02
Speaker 1: It was actually a family crisis center, and it's referred to.
35:05
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the map right now, see Cavan Family
35:08
Speaker 1: Crisis Center. It's two blocks away from the Moonflower Community Cooperative.
35:14
Speaker 1: Take a listen, guy speaking of any potential connection between
35:18
Speaker 1: the two dead women to our cut seventy seven. This
35:23
Speaker 1: is CFI and Kim ABC seven. Police are analyzing something
35:27
Speaker 1: found in the couple's van. Meanwhile, police in Utah are
35:30
Speaker 1: looking into whether Potito's disappearance has anything to do with
35:34
Speaker 1: the double murder of newlywed's Crystal Turner and kyl and Shulty.
35:38
Speaker 1: Their bodies are found partially undressed and riddle with bullets
35:41
Speaker 1: on a mountain trail nearby. On August eighteenth. Shalty worked
35:44
Speaker 1: at the same grocery store where Petito and Laundry got
35:47
Speaker 1: into their argument. You know, that's quite a coincidence that
35:54
Speaker 1: I can't ignore. But the panel is right. The over
35:59
Speaker 1: arching circumstance is that the boyfriend comes home with the
36:02
Speaker 1: van and without Gabby Nicole parton Crime online dot Com
36:06
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. We know that a grid search is planned
36:10
Speaker 1: in the Grand Tetons. I know that the stepfather, mister Schmidt,
36:14
Speaker 1: is there, but it hasn't started yet. Do you think
36:18
Speaker 1: it's because Nicole that they I mean the Grand Teatons
36:22
Speaker 1: or thousands and thousands and thousands of acres, and they
36:26
Speaker 1: don't really know where to start, absolutely, and I think
36:29
Speaker 1: that they are hoping and maybe trying to pressure Brian
36:34
Speaker 1: or his family into saying something so that they can
36:37
Speaker 1: at least narrow down the search. At this point, they
36:41
Speaker 1: have no idea where to start. They're simply going on
36:44
Speaker 1: a faketi phone call from around August twenty one that
36:47
Speaker 1: Gabby had with her family where they believe that she
36:51
Speaker 1: was in that area at the time, but that could
36:53
Speaker 1: be anywhere. As you say, you've been there, you understand
36:56
Speaker 1: the terrain. So if they could get any word from
36:59
Speaker 1: Brian or his family, they could at least begin a
37:02
Speaker 1: search and know where to start. Sheryl McCollum, What do
37:05
Speaker 1: you believe that law enforcement is doing right now and
37:09
Speaker 1: what should they be doing. They are reinterviewing the witness
37:12
Speaker 1: that saw him push her. They are combing that van
37:15
Speaker 1: to see where her jewelry is, where her clothes are.
37:19
Speaker 1: They're even looking to see when did food become just
37:23
Speaker 1: for a single person, like if he stopped at Starbucks
37:26
Speaker 1: or something is only one cup instead of two. They
37:29
Speaker 1: are combing that phone. When did he stop calling her?
37:34
Speaker 1: When did he stopped text messaging her? They are going
37:37
Speaker 1: back over that video of the two of them that
37:40
Speaker 1: last over an hour. They're getting somebody to watch his
37:43
Speaker 1: body language. They're going over his statements, exactly what he says.
37:49
Speaker 1: You know that he's laughing and jovial with law enforcement
37:52
Speaker 1: while she can't stop crying. What did they miss? They're
37:57
Speaker 1: going to track their whereabouts, if there's any video, if
38:02
Speaker 1: there's any receipts, When did they leave, what camp site?
38:06
Speaker 1: Who might have seen him by himself, and exactly when
38:09
Speaker 1: did that start. They're going to track his you know,
38:13
Speaker 1: home path, every single time he stopped for gasoline, did
38:17
Speaker 1: he use her card, did he use his own debit card?
38:22
Speaker 1: Did he throw anything away? They're they're gonna search all
38:26
Speaker 1: of that all the way back to Florida, how fast
38:29
Speaker 1: he got back there. They're also going to search the
38:32
Speaker 1: text messages and phone calls between his family because keep
38:35
Speaker 1: in mind, Gabby's mama reached out to his mama, she
38:38
Speaker 1: wouldn't return her call, she wouldn't answer the call at all.
38:43
Speaker 1: So all of this is very telling that his family
38:47
Speaker 1: knew long before Gabby's family knew. J Scott, what do
38:52
Speaker 1: you believe the cops, the FBI, and the analytics. What
38:57
Speaker 1: are they doing right now and what do you think
38:58
Speaker 1: they should be doing? Well? I think it was kind
39:01
Speaker 1: of telling Nancy. I think it was a couple of
39:03
Speaker 1: days ago that the US Park Service said that they've
39:05
Speaker 1: become involved in this investigation, which I think is a
39:09
Speaker 1: daylight and a dollar short at this point. But with
39:12
Speaker 1: that said, you know, her last known phone call that
39:16
Speaker 1: they received that the family received was in Grand Teton.
39:20
Speaker 1: That's where it allegedly originated from. I want to know
39:23
Speaker 1: what type of information they have at that main southern gate,
39:28
Speaker 1: which is where they would have entered Grand Teton. Is
39:31
Speaker 1: there any kind of videography? Is there any kind of
39:33
Speaker 1: time stamp where they're rolling through the gate where you
39:35
Speaker 1: have to pay to get into this place, and who
39:39
Speaker 1: was in the van? Are there? Videography is the videography
39:42
Speaker 1: of the faces that the individuals as they're entering you know,
39:44
Speaker 1: all of these state parks, particularly this time of year.
39:47
Speaker 1: We're talking August twenty fifth was when that phone call
39:50
Speaker 1: was made. These things are backed up with people trying
39:53
Speaker 1: to get into these places to tour around before the
39:56
Speaker 1: kids go back to school. I want to know were
39:59
Speaker 1: they actually physically there, what kind of information relative to
40:03
Speaker 1: this And you're right, our panel is right the vastness
40:08
Speaker 1: of this place. They're seeking information because it is a
40:11
Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. Just give us a crumb of
40:13
Speaker 1: information so that we can narrow the search down within
40:17
Speaker 1: the Tton region. I don't understand why the good search
40:21
Speaker 1: hasn't started as of yet too. Del Carson, What do
40:24
Speaker 1: you believe is happening right now at FBI headquarters and
40:27
Speaker 1: what should be happening. Well, you know HIDA, which is
40:31
Speaker 1: the High Intensity Drunk Enforcement people have equipment called NSA
40:37
Speaker 1: light that allows them to look at text messages throughout
40:40
Speaker 1: the country. So the technology that is really available that
40:45
Speaker 1: we're not really privy to very much, including things like
40:49
Speaker 1: the sting ray which emulates cell phone powers, is used
40:53
Speaker 1: by the government constantly so they can look backtracking to
40:58
Speaker 1: the stored data to see these things. If there's enough
41:02
Speaker 1: pressure politically to do this, and I suspect that's where
41:06
Speaker 1: they're headed, and that's what's delaying all of this, because
41:10
Speaker 1: that takes a few minutes. I would say a little
41:13
Speaker 1: bit more than a few hold on, I want to
41:15
Speaker 1: follow up on Stingray. It follows a little more than
41:18
Speaker 1: a few minutes. How long, del Carson, I mean, you've
41:21
Speaker 1: been there, you're the former FBI agent. How long would
41:24
Speaker 1: it take realistically to do that? Several days at least?
41:27
Speaker 1: And you have to break through a couple of protective
41:30
Speaker 1: walls between the various agencies in order to make that happen.
41:35
Speaker 1: And as you probably know, there's a deep storage facility
41:39
Speaker 1: in Arizona that stores all of this data, and so
41:44
Speaker 1: getting to that really requires basically a power play by
41:49
Speaker 1: one of the agencies, and hopefully they can do that,
41:52
Speaker 1: and that involves satellite history and other things that can
41:56
Speaker 1: help locate where she might be. Doctor Bethan, I've been
41:59
Speaker 1: trying to find out, and everyone I asked says we
42:01
Speaker 1: can't talk about that. There are reports that Brian Laundry
42:05
Speaker 1: flew home during the road trip and then flew back
42:11
Speaker 1: out to where Gabby was, and that items have been
42:14
Speaker 1: moved her items have been moved out of their home
42:18
Speaker 1: to put in storage. I can't get the truth of it.
42:22
Speaker 1: But if that is true, what does it mean? See,
42:25
Speaker 1: I think that it's great that everybody's talking about the
42:28
Speaker 1: search for Gabby. What's happening, you know in the parks?
42:31
Speaker 1: What what was the last peing, what was happening in
42:35
Speaker 1: terms of their you know, their communication with family members.
42:38
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering what's happening in the Laundry family. In
42:42
Speaker 1: Brian Landry's family, It's that could be a little fly
42:45
Speaker 1: on the wall. What the hook are they talking about?
42:49
Speaker 1: Their future daughter in law has gone listening, their son
42:53
Speaker 1: has flown home, I was in storage, flown black. I
42:57
Speaker 1: think this family is for empically scraping together a story
43:03
Speaker 1: and trying to come up with their own timeline and
43:05
Speaker 1: avoiding talking to law enforcement until they can get their
43:09
Speaker 1: story straight. They are trying to protect their sons. Obviously,
43:13
Speaker 1: those violence going on in the household even before they
43:16
Speaker 1: went on this trip. Obviously he fully home to make
43:20
Speaker 1: sure there was no evidence of violence in the household, violence,
43:25
Speaker 1: evidence of them fighting or maybe un writing in a diary.
43:29
Speaker 1: Oh hold on, you just brought up a great idea.
43:32
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Dill Carson has been focused on a Yellow
43:36
Speaker 1: Spiral notebook. Speaking of diaries, Doctor Bethany Dill Carson, what
43:42
Speaker 1: is your interest in a Yellow Spiral notebook and a
43:45
Speaker 1: Drone memory card? Well, I mean, we seek drone footage
43:48
Speaker 1: and the only way Droan's work is by a memory
43:51
Speaker 1: cards when they film, And I don't know did they
43:54
Speaker 1: have a droan? What about anything she was using to
43:58
Speaker 1: edit the film? All those things become critical because, as
44:02
Speaker 1: we know, when we edit film on a video, it
44:06
Speaker 1: stores multiple copies of things that are going on. And
44:09
Speaker 1: one of the videos, it's evident that underneath an iPad
44:13
Speaker 1: is a Yola Spiral notebook, which is likely a diary
44:17
Speaker 1: of some sort. And I did read yesterday that the
44:21
Speaker 1: attorney for Landry provided investigators with some items that belong
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Speaker 1: to Gabby, and I'd be fascinated to know what those
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Speaker 1: items were. Were they computers? Were they exactly? Actually, you
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Speaker 1: just mentioned something really interesting. I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum. You just heard Dell Carson mentioned an iPad.
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Speaker 1: I know that she was using a laptop because she
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Speaker 1: says she was working on a laptop for the blog.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't the iPad be located much like a phone could be.
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Speaker 1: It can be absolutely you know, Nancy, there's so much
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Speaker 1: technology that these two young people were using. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be so much data that they've got to go through.
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Speaker 1: And there's another thing we haven't discussed. He did have
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Speaker 1: a cell phone yep, or some type of device. If
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Speaker 1: he plugged that cell phone straight into the port in
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Speaker 1: the car, that car computer reads all of it, text, messages, everything,
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Speaker 1: and unless he deleted it somehow, then the police have
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Speaker 1: access to that too, even a twenty twelve four transit
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Speaker 1: possibly Again, it's all computer based. Everything is in your
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Speaker 1: car as a computer now. So a lot of times now,
45:41
Speaker 1: if you have trouble, like even with a relay, your
45:44
Speaker 1: car may not crank, not because the battery is not good,
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Speaker 1: but because the relay's telling it not to. It's a
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Speaker 1: computer problem, not a engine problem. So there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of data that can be drawn from all of these devices.
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Speaker 1: Let me give an example. The other day, my mom's
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Speaker 1: friend wanted me to jump off his car. I did,
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Speaker 1: and he got up to the dealership. There's nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with the battery. It was the key fob computer that
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Speaker 1: was causing the problem. So you're absolutely right, and you're saying,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum that if he plugged in to charge, although
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Speaker 1: he said he found the charger, but if he plugged
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Speaker 1: in for any reason into the car, if it's computer based,
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Speaker 1: it reads what's on the computer, on the on the phone. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it sours. It like when you rent a car and
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Speaker 1: you plug your car directly into that vehicle, even in
46:37
Speaker 1: a rental car, if you don't delete that stuff, the
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Speaker 1: next person it gets in that car can see your
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Speaker 1: text messages if they pull it up. Do you mean
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Speaker 1: text messages that you send during that time or all
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Speaker 1: text messages did you send her in that time? If
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Speaker 1: they if they are Jackie, doing a search warrant to
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Speaker 1: get the parents, the Laundry parents information, will their text
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Speaker 1: in the cloud, anything that they may have done, remember, Champion,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. The way that's done is if there is
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Speaker 1: evidence that is pertinent to her being missing and it's
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Speaker 1: been destroyed or modified by the Laundry family. Of course
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Speaker 1: that is destructed of evidence. It allows for a search
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Speaker 1: warrant issue with the signature of a judge. And that's
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Speaker 1: precisely what they should be doing. In Florida. Right now, Hey, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to make one more point that law
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Speaker 1: enforcement is doing. They're searching his search history. Oh of
47:37
Speaker 1: course absolutely. I hadn't thought of that, but you're right,
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Speaker 1: just got Morgan. Final thought, Yeah, hold on, I hear
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, go ahead, Dator Bethany. Who are more consuming,
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Speaker 1: very dest regulated And when the policemen were interviewing hers,
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Speaker 1: they is in fighting for hours. Somebody who's bad, tot regulated,
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Speaker 1: who cannot stop crying, probably had a history of fighting,
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Speaker 1: but also a history of reaching out her help. She
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Speaker 1: may have been talking to another about their relationships difficulties.
48:04
Speaker 1: Maybe she her eyes, She had a best friend. Obviously
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Speaker 1: she was supposed to meet around birthday plans. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of communication. If Cheryl McCallum is talking about the attacks,
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Speaker 1: the car, computer phone, you know, continue all of that.
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Speaker 1: But as a therapist, I'm saying that she mixed out
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Speaker 1: for a lot of help. There are a lot of
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Speaker 1: people with information about what was happening in that relationship
48:27
Speaker 1: and maybe even on that ship. Final thought, j Scott. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they got to put the spurs through the horse here.
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Speaker 1: They've got to get on this. Let me tell you
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Speaker 1: if she the last place she was was up in Wilming, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: She's not if she was put out of that van.
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Speaker 1: The tiperature up there and the environment is completely different
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Speaker 1: than it is down in Moab. It's going to be cold.
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Speaker 1: She can die of exposure, dehydration, all of these things
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Speaker 1: that she would be exposed to in that environment as
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Speaker 1: opposed to having been down in the desert. They need
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Speaker 1: to get on this as quickly as possible. Start this
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Speaker 1: grid search and start looking for her up there. Tipline
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Speaker 1: eight hundred, call FBI eight hundred two two five five
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Speaker 1: three two four. Good my friend,