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WTF: The Siders Indictments, Laken Snelling’s Confession & Morgan Geyser Wants Out AGAIN · Justice For

• justice for: Welcome back to Justice For WTF edition. We are your hosts. I'm Jackie. And I'm Sam. I really love our WTFs. I love that we're getting back to them. Sorry, I'm getting I'm way too excited over here. You are way too excited over there. She's excited because we had our live show last night. Last night was. And even though we're recording this before, we just know it was incredible. Yeah. There's there's no way else it could go. I just I know it. Because we have the best listeners that are all gonna show up. Period. All showed up. And we love Voodoo and all the people that work there and that were there that didn't know we were gonna be there. You're welcome. And thank you to Voodoo again so so much. We love you guys. We can't wait to come back again. Yeah. We I mean we probably already have one planned. I guarantee we don't even know about it. I mean the owner, the owner Micah from our very first one was like, So you guys wanna do this monthly? 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Also, also, also, you guys, I understand that all not all of you watch on YouTube. But even if you don't watch on YouTube, I need every single one of you to go onto YouTube and subscribe to our channel. Right. Yes, please. We are so close to 500 followers. It's crazy. Please, I want to hit 500 so bad. And you're the reason that we're gonna hit it. So do it. Even if you don't watch us on YouTube, if you're a Spotify one like her and Apple or any yeah, whatever. Anywhere else, please go on our YouTube and Subscribe to us. It's free. Free ninety-nine. Please go do it. We are almost to five hundred. We are like twenty-five away. Yeah. We're right there. We're so close. Please. All right. So today we're going to go over three different cases. They are all three cases that we have discussed before, but they do have breaking news in them. So we have the Siders case that we have already done two deep dive episodes on. We're going to be touching on Morgan Geyser and the pain in my ass that she is. And Lake and Snelli. It won't fucking stop. It won't. And Lakin Snelling, we actually we kind of did a deep dive on during our Skylar Richardson case. Yes. Because they go hand in hand, but now some shit's going on. Yeah, a year almost a year to the day. Yeah, that's cool so easy. All right, you ready? No. Okay. Yeah. All right. I I'm ready. Let's get into this. First off, let's go over the grand jury indictments and the shocking new twists in the Siders case, which is also being referred to as the Ohio House of Horrors. Yeah. And you know what? I'm I'm really gonna stick with it being the Ohio House of Horrors at this point. That's fair. Where it's it's gonna keep that dub after you hear what I have to tell you. no. Like I said, we do have the two deep dive episodes on them. Please go watch, listen to them if you haven't already. There's a lot of information in that. Just to refresh your memory on the case, June thirtieth, twenty twenty six, authorities in Vinton County, Ohio were executing a search warrant when they discovered sixteen children ranging from eighteen months to eighteen years old living in horrific conditions. All sixteen children were in need of immediate medical attention. Two were life lighted in critical condition and seven additional kids were hospitalized and one reportedly had to be innovated. That's just we were clinging the life for some of these children. Literally. Four adults were also living in the home at the time and they were taken into custody and charged with second degree child endangerment. Seventy three year old Gary Siders senior, sixty seven year old Christina Siders, thirty six year old Gary Siders Junior, and thirty three year old Elizabeth Siders. All four Siders adults have put in for competency evaluations and are currently going through the process of being evaluated. And then we have to wait for the court to review it and then we will have a hearing on it. So it's gonna be a little while. But in our last update or our last episode on them, Elizabeth actually hadn't put in for this competency yet. And since then her lawyer has. I think it was like a few days after that episode released that it was officially put in. So this brings us to the Vinton Grand Jury convening. And we have learned that they don't convene very often. Once every few months, and not even prosecutors knew when they would convene again. But on August twenty first, they issued three separate grand jury indictments and three separate criminal cases all related to the Siders case. Period. Let's first start with the child endangerment charges against the four Siders adults living in the home that we've been talking about. So they are if officially officially charged with this in an indictment. And the indictments alleged that the children suffered serious physical harm under the care of these adults. Gary Siders Jr., the children's follower father, was indicted on 19 charges. Two counts of endangering children, which is a felony two, ten counts of endangering children, felony three. Seven counts of endangering children, misdemeanor one. Okay. Interesting. Elizabeth Siders was also indicted on nineteen charges. Two counts of endangering children, felony two. Ten counts of endangering children, felony three. Seven counts of endangering children, misdemeanor one. Do you think it was because of the ages of the kids? I mean, I understand there wasn't nineteen kids, but Probably ages and like the severity of some of them had probably additional charges. That makes sense. And sorry, just a small speculation on my end is that maybe the older ones technically couldn't be considered endangered since they were legally adults. Possibly that's why we don't know that for sure. Gary Sider senior. the who was seventy three and the children's paternal grandfather was indicted on sixteen charges. Ten counts of endangering children, felony three, six counts of endangering children, misdemeanor one. That makes way more sense because there's sixteen kids. Yes. And I think ten of like what, six of were under the age of four? Yeah. Or something like that. So that makes four or five so much sense. Christina Siders, the children's paternal grandmother, was indicted on nineteen charges. Two counts of endangering children, felony two, ten countsmen endangering children, felony three, and seven counts of endangering children, misdemeanor one. I'm so confused. Okay. Wait, because she her charges match Gary Jr. and Elizabeth, but Gary Sr. has less charges. Yeah. I wonder if it's because of his But they're all child endangerment charges. That's fair. We're gonna have to wait to see. I guess so. I d I'm sorry, I'm still speculating a little bit here. I wonder because he had the stroke. that he they deemed him as not as competent to be able to do that. But maybe those extra charges, those three extra charges, they could really prove he wasn't a part of. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. So again, we don't have all of this information yet 'cause remember we're under a gag order as well. Yes. So And the grand jury indictment didn't come with a lot of information. I am basically almost reading you word for word out of it with some of this. And on that same note. Remember, a grand jury indictment does not mean convicted. It just means there's enough evidence to prove the charges and proceed to trial. That's all this means. Yep. So let's talk about the other two indictments that the grand jury issued, which led to additional charges against Gary Jr. and Elizabeth. So if you remember, it's been heavily reported that the search warrant was served in relation to charges against Gary Jr. for indecent exposure. Correct. Which it was. For peeing off of his We don't actually know what's for. But Turns out it was so much more than that. There was another search warrant being executed as well along with that one. And this search warrant was for Gary Jr.'s DNA in relation to a much larger investigation into child sex abuse by the special victims unit. In December of twenty twenty five, at the request of the Venton County Sheriff's Office, BCI's Special Victims Unit opened an investigation into allegations of sexual abuse involving two children. This investigation resulted in indictments against two South Bloomingville men. Josh Saunders, 23, who is Gary Jr.'s nephew, was indicted on four charges. Three counts of rape, felony one, one count of gross sexual imposition, felony three. Brandon Henderson Sr. 40 years old, was indicted on 21 charges. One count of endangering children, felony two, two counts of endangering children, felony three, four counts of gross sexual imposition, felony three, four counts of gross sexual imposition, felony four, eight counts of sexual battery, felony four, two counts of endangering children, misdemeanor one. Hey, I have a quick question. Mm-hmm. What the fuck? So did you recognize one of those names? Josh, I think. So in our previous episode, I talked about Gary Jr.'s sister Virginia Siders, who married Joshua D. Saunders in two thousand three, when Virginia was fifteen and Joshua was nineteen. They had a son, Joshua Saunders the Third, who is now twenty three and is the Josh facing new rape charges. You make me sick. So how does Brandon fit into this? Who the fuck is this guy? So When Joshua D. Saunders was convicted of murder and began serving a fifteen years to life sentence in two thousand nine, Virginia began dating and living with Brandon soon after Josh went to prison. Hold on. I need you to back the fuck up for a second. What the fuck did you just say to me? So, Gary Jr.'s sister, Virginia. Yeah. Got married to Joshua D. Saunders. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. And they had a son, Joshua Saunders. Yeah. Okay? And Joshua Saunders, the third. The son is the one facing these rape charges. Gary Jr.'s nephew. Yeah. Okay? But the brother-in-law Joshua D. Saunders went to prison 2009 for murder. He's serving 15 years to life. Just about immediately after that, Virginia, while still married to Joshua, starts dating and living with Brandon Henderson. Now, Virginia has a few other kids. There's a daughter who got taken from her and is living with one of their other siblings. Who I have seen may or may not still be in their custody. This is the person who may or may not be at the center of all of this because the DNA test, allegedly, speculatively, this is not confirmed, is that Gary Jr., they were getting a DNA test to see if he was the father. And they are trying to figure out if I'm what? Which of her kids belong to Joshua D. Saunders and which of her kids belong to Brandon. is what they're trying to figure out and one of these kids was allegedly sexually abused and that's what these charges are against. But we don't have confirmation on the victim or how this all came to be, but this was from back in before twenty twenty two that this incidents happened. Holy shit, brother. So information obtained in that investigation prompted BCI in March of 2026 to open a second investigation, and this one involving allegations of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, leading authorities to execute a search warrant at the Siders residence. The indictment alleges that between January and September of 2022, the defendants engaged in sexual conduct with a minor more than 10 years younger than their own age. The victim is not a member of their immediate family. So not their children, but in the family. Gary Siders Jr. was indicted on four charges. Two counts of sexual battery, felony three, two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor felony three. Elizabeth Siders was also indicted on four charges. Two counts of sexual battery, felony three, two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor felony three. Excuse me? no. Yeah. So we were all we I mean, I remember we speculated in the beginning that this could have a sexual turn to it, but apparently not with the children in the household. That we know of. True. Who knows what was uncovered in this investigation with the kids. This is all strictly about the investigation that none of us knew was happening that led to this. So yes, he was being investigated for those indecent exposure charges. That was the search warrant they let us know about, but there was also a secondary search warrant. Now, the gag orders make sense. yeah. do the gag orders make sense and why they make sense to lock everybody down. Holy shit. This has turned into something that I was not expecting. But kind of at the same time. It is very and now this also, remember how they were resisting Elizabeth being released? Mm-hmm. Or Christina being released? Because even if they're released to family, there's a whole other little messed up family thing going on that they have to investigate. So no, they can't let them out to be around these family members. The Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson put out this quote These indictments are the latest developments in the ongoing investigations, but our work is far from complete. BCI is actively investigating these cases alongside the Venton County Sheriff's Office, and my office will continue to support prosecuting attorney William Archer as the legal process continues. the prosecutor and sheriff both put out videos. they'll be linked below. I actually may play the prosecutor's video because he kind of like talks a little bit more about how Like the dollar store employees are really to thank for this 'cause they brought even like they helped them like find where they were and brought attention to it, not realizing the much bigger part of what they were looking for. and so yeah, so I might actually play that 'cause it's only like a minute or so long, but it's got good info. But yeah, so any thoughts on that? I have a couple of thoughts and they're really messed up thoughts and I don't know if I should say them out loud. But I'm going to anyway. So I know we speculated in our very first episode talking about if any of the Siders kids happen to be sexually assaulted. Yeah. If Gary Siders Junior was sexually assaulting his own family, his own sisters, nieces and nephews, basically. And his nephew was also part of it. And their his stepdad, brother in law thing person. Yeah. W I guarantee they knew about the kids. And I wouldn't be fucking surprised. I think that everyone knew about the kids. I just don't think that the family realized they were hiding the kids from like authority. You know what I mean? Like I'm just saying, like, I don't think the family was aware that the site like the siders we've been talking about was actively hiding the kids. That's valid. You know what I mean? What I'm saying, is I wouldn't be surprised if they allowed that ha to happen with these children. Why wouldn't it happen the other way around? True. And I mean I think we are more so talking about it in terms of like, did Elizabeth give birth to all those kids? Correct. And which she did. But there can also be sexual abuse in the home without that And that makes me feel fucking sick to my stomach. Now knowing this. Yeah. So I would not be surprised if we have more sexual abuse allegations coming out. I don't. I yeah. And now we do have the confirmation from the grand jury indictment that there was physical abuse going on. Well, and I'm sorry, I'm gonna keep going on about this, but now that home girl what's her name? Elizabeth. Mm-hmm. is also getting these charges. We're a little bit less victimy now. Period. I mean, there is still coerce and things like that, but this is a very interesting add-on. Like for her to partici I wanna know if her charges with it are because she participated or her charges are because she knew about it. Mm-hmm. She allowed it. Yes. I wanna know, like I'm very intrigued, but their charges are the same. Mm-hmm. I'm just For now. Yes. I'm just very intrigued about her role in it. Yes. One hundred percent. But I'm sorry, and I this probably makes me a complete fucking asshole. Any, any type of what's the word I'm looking for here? that I had for this woman, gone. Fucking gone. Yeah, I think I've I think I've devil advocated her as much as I possibly can to this point. And now you just kinda have to call a spade of spade. Like everybody in this family is kind of fucked up, and it doesn't matter. Like I understand environments and how you're raised and like everything happening, but there's a certain point where you're like, you knew better. Yeah. Like People do know right from wrong. Until these charges came into play, sh it looked like a 13-year-old got trapped in a horrible situation and it kept going and Gary's list, but now you're kind of looking complicit and A little bit. And if that's if it ends up not being that way I'll admit that I'm wrong, but right now I'm not admitting that. Yeah. Just gonna have to see how this keeps going. Definitely took a turn that we didn't think it was gonna take after ever you've been going down the road, you know? I thought we were just gonna kinda be like, All right, well, that happened, we'll see what happens when they go to court or trial. Yeah. Didn't expect this to happen. No. Alright, so let's go back to that little clip I've played, yall at the beginning, that I've just ignored and she played it for me. Skipped right on over like we didn't just do that. She played it for me like right when we sat down and she's like, I'm starting like this. And I'm like, All right, man. So on August twenty-first, twenty twenty six, Lakin Snelling, the former University of Kentucky cheerleader, pleaded guilty to all four charges connected to the August twenty twenty five death of her newborn son. Just to refresh your memory Twenty-two-year-old Lakin is being charged with first-degree manslaughter, abuse of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, and concealing the birth of an infant. Yikes. Lakin initially told investigators that she gave birth unexpectedly, later fell asleep on top of the baby and woke to find him turning blue and purple. The medical examiner ultimately determined that the baby was born alive and died from asphyxia by undetermined means. After giving birth and concealing the newborn in her closet, Lakin went to class and tried to carry on like normal. But Lakin's roommates who had heard weird noises coming from Lakin's room the night before decided to investigate, ultimately finding the newborn in the closet and calling authorities. I love nosy roommates. I do too. except for if they were ours. Yes. That's different. So on August twenty first, Lakin told the judge exactly what happened. And what she told them is very different from her original story. Mm-hmm. But you know, I'm glad that she finally did Admit. Admit it and tell the truth. And I'm gonna play the whole clip for you because I just played a very small portion of it for you at the beginning. I want you to hear this because honestly it's a difference. She she does seem remorseful. She does seem like she it's a very big difference from the girl that showed up to her first hearing, done up in makeup and the red dress and the heels and the smirk on her face. Mm-hmm. You can definitely tell the reality of what she did and what she is living has come in, even though she's been out on bail this whole time. Yeah. All right. I'm gonna play this clip for you guys, then we're gonna talk about it. so I I genuinely think that like what you said reality has really been setting in. Also, she was in college. In college, I mean I remember when I was in college, I thought I was a shit. I mean, I am still. Thank you. But it's different because like in college I felt untouchable. I felt like I could do whatever I wanted and I would get away with it. You know, I was still a fucking kid in my head, even though I was legally an adult. So I think maybe that is essentially what's happen. She's growing the fuck up. Yeah. And r realizing, I fucked up. Yeah. And which is good because honestly I had my doubts for that to ever happen with this one with her like Wanting to be out at her parents' house, but then wanting to be able to still switch houses. Like it just we were very spoiled. Full of ourselves. And I I'm glad to see this version of her. So per the plea agreement, prosecutors are recommending the following sentence. Ten years for first degree manslaughter, one year for abuse of a corpse, one year for tampering of physical evidence, and one year for concealing the birth. What was the first one? Ten years? Mm-hmm. Okay. So like thirteen years? Yep. That's a potential thirteen year total recommendation if the sentences are imposed consecutively. Okay. The judge decided to postpone sentencing until she can get a pre sentencing investigation from probation and parole board. I didn't know that was a thing. But this I'm gonna link this clip below from Court TV. it's ten minutes of Lakin and being in there. I really like this judge. She is I just really like Tell me what you did. She's such a mom. She is, but like in a very she's like stern and profess and professional, but you can tell that she has that mom touch to her because everything she like she is not talking to Lakin like she is a piece of trash for this. She's talking to her and like, do you understand? Like, are you sure you're doing this? Like, I want to tell you that like this is like I will change this if you feel this is unfair. And I she these are all things she has to say, but like the softness with the sternness. She's a Southern Bell mama. Yes. She's a Kentucky mama. I just I really love judges like this. Yeah. They are it's like that one that one judge, the guy who's like a dad with all of his like cases and stuff and especially that like single mom with like the kid and whatnot and like had the kid asking like how much like God, he's so sweet. Like a judge like that, you know, who just genuinely cares and they they took that job to make a difference. Yeah. And you know what's crazy too guys, like when you talk to judges like humans and like not be mean and rude and abrasive. They're generally pretty fucking helpful. What's the saying, like you catch more flies with honey than you do your vinegar? Yeah. What an idea. Kill with cadness. So, right now her sentencing is scheduled for October sixteenth. we will definitely be on top of that for you guys. Court T V will have that live so we'll go ahead and have that link to you guys or get that video out as soon as we do. Yep. for how long she's sentenced. Yep. You got any other thoughts on her? Not really. I'm really I'm really happy she's admitting it. Honestly. Like I'm really happy that we're not having to go through Trial and Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And I think I genuinely think that like okay, so I know we said we talked about it during the Skylar Richardson case. And the thing was the Skylar Richardson case is none of that was figured out until way later. Yeah. So I think this because her roommates Caught it so fast. also it's just being it's just being young and dumb. Like you think that like you think you're smarter than everything, you think nobody's noticed, you think that you did this and like it's okay, but you know what I mean? Like that just goes to the naivety of her age at the time and like Yeah, she was in college and in her twenties, but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like she clearly was thinking in the moment, like, my life is gonna be ruined if anyone finds out about this. Guess what, girl, you ruined it even further. Yep, you ruined it anyway. And honestly, I think she got a much better chance with taking the plea deal, 'cause she's gonna get a much shorter sentence than she would have if she gone to trial. Yes. this is actually one of the first times that I've seen a plea deal taken in a smart way, like Mm-hmm. I agree. Actually But I The only reason that I enjoy this plea deal is because she actually does have remorse. She actually is taking responsibility. She's not taking the plea deal to get lesser and to get away with it and to avoid responsibility. I and also I think that's why she was offered the plea deal. That's valid. Totally valid. So I have another thought though, just because this was a conversation we had during our episode on it. what happened with her fucking boyfriend? He knew something. We never we're never I think because of the plea deal, this guy is Yeah. But I don't think he's clear. He might have a baby, but I don't think I would be willing to bet he knew about the baby, knew she was pregnant. Yeah. I would have more fault with him if this would have gone on longer and he was silent. Yeah. But they figured it out so fast that he probably didn't even know she had that baby. She probably didn't say anything. Because we didn't have any text messages between them and like a grand jury indictment, like none of that. We've never heard of that. So he might have known about the baby, but I Don't think he knew about her giving birth and doing that and all of that until the news arrested and the news broke. Probably. And at that point Well half you're not coming forward also. At that point you're gonna go talk to the police, but you're not gonna say anything else. I mean, yeah. So it just the way that he deleted all of his socials, it just seems sketched to me. And like, yeah, even he's not the one that did anything to the child. He still probably didn't they have like kind of sort of a maternity shoot allegedly. Yeah. I'm just saying. But I mean also he could have been like excited for this baby and wanted this baby and then really upset after the news broke and like all of this and just like wiped it clean and like I mean that's fair. I don't I just boys are dramatic too. God hate them. I hate all this. Yeah, so definitely the update we wanted. Yeah. With a twist we didn't know we were getting, you know what I mean? Yes. And we're we're proud of growth. I know that we are assholes for perpetrators. We like to come down on them. But you know, we we recognize a character arc when we see one. Absolutely. And guess what? Lakin, I don't have respect for you, but I respect what you're doing. Yes. Unlike a couple of other people. I vibe with that. All right. Honestly, I don't think any of you should be shocked by what I'm about to tell you. Morgan Geyser has filed for conditional release. Do you know what's fucking crazy, guys? You know what's fucking crazy? I was like, when we were doing our update episodes, I was like, hey, do I need to do an update on Morgan Geyser? And she was like, no, we were probably done with that. Keep going. On August 25th, 2026, Morgan Geyser's attorney Anthony Cotton filed a new position asking the Waucassa County Court to grant her conditional release from the state psychiatric system. That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see how it works out. FA Cotton. FNA cotton. FNA, Cotton. Alright, so let's all collectively roll our eyes together. If you don't know who Morgan Geyser is, allow me to refresh your memory. Seriously, if you've been listening to us for this long and you don't know who Morgan Geyser is, we have something else to talk about. We do. Back in 2014, twelve-year-old Morgan Geyser and twelve-year-old Anissa Weir. Lure their classmate, twelve year old Peyton Leitner. to a wooded area in Waukasa, Wisconsin, and they stabbed her nineteen times. The girls later told investigators they believed killing Peyton would protect them from Slender Man, a fictional internet horror character. They had become obsessed with him, and miraculously Peyton survived the attack after crawling to a nearby road where she was found by a passing bicyclist. Yeah, she did. Both Morgan and Anissa were ultimately found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and were committed to psychiatric care. Morgan. Morgan. She's the problem. Not Anissa. Anissa got out. She's been on house rouse. She's done all the things she's supposed to. She's monitored by the court. She hasn't been a problem. She has not been a problem. Morgan, on the other hand. She has decided to grow up a little bit. Has been the entire problem. Huge. She escaped last year, guys. She literally escaped last year from her group home in 2025. In November. Yeah. And let let's talk about that timeline real quick. So January 2025, her Morgan's conditional release was granted. Yeah. November of twenty twenty five. Morgan leaves the group home and cuts her ankle monitor bracelet off and flees. I was in Chicago at the same time as her. Well was it like a week later? No, it was the same time. No no no. Like a week later, Morgan was found in Illinois. I thought it was literally a couple of days later. Yeah, it like a day later. It was like within that week, a few days later, she was found. Yeah. And then December twenty twenty five, her conditional release was revoked and she was ordered back into confinement and told that she can reapply for conditional release after six months. Ta-da It's been six months guys and now we have a petition for conditional release filed again. It's been over six months. It's been over. She gave it a little time. She gave us a little bit. I mean, unless they made this decision in March. Mm-mm. They gave it in December. They revoked it and told her she couldn't apply for six more months. So she gave herself three extra months or two extra months in there. Okay. Okay. Fun fact this is not an immediate release order. This petition filing just starts the new review process. According to the pos petition, the court is expected to appoint an examiner to evaluate Morgan's current mental condition. The examiner will prepare a report for their court. The court will then review that report and determine whether she should once again be conditionally released. I swear to God, if they release her again. How fucking- I'm moving to Wisconsin and I'm getting a job in this court system. I I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I'm I'm I'm s this close, guys. We're gonna write a strongly worded letter. The timeline we are looking at is roughly twenty days for the appointment of an examiner, thirty days for the examiner's report, and then another thirty days for the court to consider the petition. This is a very similar timeline to the Siders competency hearings. Yeah. It's a very similar timeline of how long they have to appoint, get the exam done. And then they have like a whole month to turn it into the court. Then the court has a whole month to review it. So like these things take time. Yeah. and most importantly, she isn't being released simply because she filed the petition. The mental health evaluation and judicial review still have to happen. Mm-hmm. but honestly, I don't understand why the petition was accepted to begin with. I agree. She literally escaped. She clearly cannot make good choices. She got a little bit of freedom and literally ran with it. Literally. The reasoning behind her escape was because she was told she couldn't have one specific visitor. So like a teenager whose parents told her she can't see her boyfriend anymore, she ran away with him. Honestly, at this point, just locking her up and throwing away the key. Like, just do it. It's clear that the mental health institution she was put in only helped her until the money ran out. That's a big part of the reason she was granted conditional release last time. She clearly doesn't see anything wrong with the fictional word the fictional worlds she continues to consume herself with, and she has been found multiple times in the past drawing and reading material that she's not allowed to have per her sentencing and conviction. And none of this has come out about the time since she's been. put back in the institution about anything she's reading or the books or any of that. Obviously that's gonna come out at hearings like it did last time. But last time these things came out that she was in contact with somebody selling memorabilia about the case. She was making drawings and sending them to them to be sold. She was reading books that she wasn't supposed to. Yeah. And they still released her thinking it was a good idea. Like at what point are we going to realize that yes, she needs mental health services, but also at the same time she is a danger to herself and the public. And it's between this and Lindsay Clancy and a couple others that seriously I think the biggest change that needs to happen in our justice system is we need to have mental health prisons. That is somewhere between a mental health institution and a prison where you are sentenced to that. It is like a prison in terms of the fact that you are there. You cannot get released early due to funding, none of that, but it is in the setting of a mental Hospital. Yeah. But it needs to we need a middle ground because these places we're putting them in, once they deem they can't do anything else for them like Morgan or the funding runs out for them, they're like, Okay, let's do the next step. Yeah. No, we need something in the middle that has all the resources but is also a prison. Yeah. Like I don't know, my my other thing also, I'm just gonna add into this, is like just because someone is finally doing better after they've been on the correct medication to help them with the mental issues that they are having, doesn't mean they're good to go in society, they're gonna be fine. No. Clearly that does not always fucking work. Let's not forget about the fact that it was proven by a therapist that she was malingering. Her schizophrenia. That is no longer on the table as one of her diagnoses because she was faking it. She doesn't need meds for it anymore. She's all better. That doesn't happen with schizophrenia. Spoiler alert, doesn't happen. I guarantee she learned those symptoms and mirrored them because her father had them. And lived in the house with her. And then Anissa was mirroring her. We've already learned about Anissa's and mirroring and mirroring, and that's why she does so much better apart from Morgan. But It like like it just it I just because someone is doing better mentally does not mean they're going to continue to do better, especially by themselves. Most of the time, people who are thriving after being medicated properly is because they are continuing to see a doctor. But the economy is so fucked right now. Trying to get medication for anything is ridiculous. I know my ADHD, I forget to take pills every Damn day. She got me a pill weak pill thing. Guess what? I'm really good about filling it once. I take all of them and then I forget to refill it. And then like a month. Genius. I I I'm just saying. And like ADHD, yeah, obviously it's a mental disorder. But schizophrenia is very spectrum. It also depends on your support system. Yes. Morgan's mom. Sorry, no offense here or all the offense she's want to take. She's fucking idiot. She is not helpful. She is oblivious and like, I just thought it was teenage hormones. I read it at that age. I knew what it was. It was fine and just downplays everything. Like, bitch, you're part of the problem. One hundred percent. Like she she was what's the what's the word I'm looking for here? She was delusional. Yeah. She was like complicit. That yes. She was complicit in Morgan's like she it goes beyond not wanting to see it or wanting to believe it because like you don't want to think that there's something wrong with your kid. Yeah. It goes beyond that. It it is straight ignoring what is in front of you. Yeah, yeah. And I will say though, I I'm gonna play devil's advocate this this fucking much for this woman. Okay? I don't know exactly how old she is, but I know her mother is not a millennial. No. And mental illness has been so frowned upon by all the generations up until like the end of Gen X. Alright? Because like, even now I'll tell I'm sorry if you're listening to this mom, I'll tell my mom, like, yeah, I'm having ADHD and she was just like, I don't think you have that. Like Okay, have you talked I I I would agree with you and go along with this. Yeah. If she wasn't married to a man who was schizophrenic and acts actively being treated for it. So bitch was enthralled in the mental health world and should have known better about the dangers of her child potentially also being schizophrenic given the history of her father. But she should have been more on top of it. True. Or, you know, okay, I'll flip with and your devil's advocate. She's in denial. One hundred percent. I think that's part of it too. A lot of the parents are in denial about people having these mental illnesses. Yeah. And I think it's finally becoming more I don't want to say common, but like accepted that people are not all okay in their heads. And some people just refuse to believe it. Yeah. So And I think this is one of them cases. Yeah. And we also haven't really heard much from her mom over any of this, which is kind of interesting. Like I I I know it's I I don't like to watch her talk, it how it kills brain cells. but it's just interesting that we haven't heard any statements out of either one of them or anything. It is looking like Morgan's next status hearing is going to be on September third. It has not been confirmed. That's just the date floating around. so once we know for sure, we'll be posting about it and let you know what happens at that hearing. Or you're gonna get another WTF with probably the ciders and her in it again. Possibly. Who knows? And maybe Lakin, because they're all around the same time. Well, Lakin should be yeah. I Lakin will probably just be like our post, yeah. but yeah, that's that's what I got for you guys in WTFs today. As of this recording, which is about a week out from when you guys are gonna hear this, deliberations are still happening in the Lindsay Clancy trial. we were ten hour, fourteen hours, something like that. I think we're at fourteen hours of deliberation. honestly, I think they're gonna deliberate till probably Tuesday or Wednesday. That's what I'm thinking. then it's Tuesday or Wednesday. but yeah, so that's I definitely we will have a deep dive on that coming to you guys. There's some definitely interesting things that have been happening since jury has gone into deliberations. there's just a lot of very interesting things about this case. gosh. That yeah, it it did it turned out so different than what I thought it was before we got to trial. Yeah. So we are very excited to talk to you guys about that. We've been talking about it a lot and we will be coming at you guys with that. All I'm saying is that if for any reason I get accused of murdering someone Kevin Reddington you better get him as my attorney. Damn. Kevin Reddington. Please. Like, I would like to pay for a five star steak dinner for you, sir, and your wife. Guess what? 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