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Selects: What was the Philadelphia Experiment? · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me your old friend Josh, And for
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  Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen a
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  Speaker 1: classic episode about the Philadelphia Experiment, weird urban legend about
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  Speaker 1: a World War two naval experiment gone awry that I
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  Speaker 1: have to say I found oddly satisfying to explain away
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  Speaker 1: because I used to be really into this whole urban
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  Speaker 1: legend when I was a younger kid, back when I
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  Speaker 1: had my Time Life paranormal book series. So it was
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  Speaker 1: very fun to revisit it and then debunk it. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did. It's
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  Speaker 1: from October two thousand fifteen, so getty up and enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, it's the actual podcast. He was
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  Speaker 1: ramble and stall as long as they need too. You
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  Speaker 1: remember this from your being a kid? Was this in
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  Speaker 1: your wheelhouse? To filip? The movie was watched the last night? Sure?
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  Speaker 1: Did you really? Yes? It is basically I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: plot makes sense, but it's like a fifteen minute plot.
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  Speaker 1: They manage a lot of chasing in. Yeah, they really
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  Speaker 1: really draw it out. They really gussie. Yeah, they drew
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  Speaker 1: it out. But the idea behind it, especially when let's
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  Speaker 1: see I was eight and I was this was about
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  Speaker 1: the time where I'm like, I'm going to Duke University
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  Speaker 1: study parapsychology when I get older. When you're eight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what college was when I was eight. Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: That was in my wheelhouse. Really yeah. Um, so this
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  Speaker 1: was like right up my alley. Now that I watched
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  Speaker 1: it as a child, I'm like, Man, I was an
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  Speaker 1: idiot when I was eight. But it was pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: that The special effects are like eighties rific. Oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: they do not hold up. No, but I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a fan of tronn Video Drome, yeah, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey and
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  Speaker 1: um robot CoP's partner. Yeah, Nancy Allen? She who what
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  Speaker 1: else was she in? Famously she was in a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of eighties movies. What was her big one though? Or
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  Speaker 1: was she always like co starring the female lead? I
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  Speaker 1: think yeah, I don't think she was ever like the
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  Speaker 1: lead in a movie. They didn't make movies with female
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  Speaker 1: leads in the eighties. I can't remember in this context,
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  Speaker 1: are we allowed to say female or should it be
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  Speaker 1: the girl lead? They didn't. They didn't make leads with
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  Speaker 1: women as the lead in the eighties. They're all just
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  Speaker 1: there to prop up the dudes working girl that was
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  Speaker 1: in the eighties. Good point nine to five? Three ladies,
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  Speaker 1: all right, to take it back few and four between
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  Speaker 1: what I'm I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: and well you should and you're like, no, look at
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  Speaker 1: nine to five. I'm just saying it's I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: were some Yeah, yeah, I agree with you that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean to argue You're right, it's a few. There
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  Speaker 1: were a few and far between. That's what you call
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  Speaker 1: a trap. What about Barbarella? Yeah that was seventies or
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  Speaker 1: was it sixties? I think the sixties? Yeah, yeah. Jane Fonda, Well,
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  Speaker 1: just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment, you and
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  Speaker 1: I know how to draw out a fifteen minute plot. Hey. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out Michael Parrey disappeared in Eddie
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  Speaker 1: and the Cruisers. Oh was it was he in that?
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  Speaker 1: He was Eddie? Was the Was that based on Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Springsteen or something like that? Was it based on any
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  Speaker 1: real life band? No? I mean it echoed he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was Springsteen esque, But it wasn't like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think they were just I think the right was like,
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  Speaker 1: who do I like? Yeah? I like Springsteen, So let's
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  Speaker 1: get John Caffrey to to sing like Springsteen and put
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  Speaker 1: Michael Parrey to lip sync. Wow, that's a Eddie, That's
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  Speaker 1: that's eighties riffic too. And I saw John Cafferty in
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  Speaker 1: concerts in the eighties that hoew what else is he in? Now?
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  Speaker 1: He was the band, He was the real band, John
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  Speaker 1: Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band. They sang those songs
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  Speaker 1: for real. And I saw them a concert at six Flags. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: how about that? And they've now become the Zach Brown Band.
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  Speaker 1: That's right right? Who looks like nol? Full circle? Full circle?
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  Speaker 1: We just did it? Can we be done? Now? So
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment, I guess was right up Michael Perey's
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  Speaker 1: um Ali because echoed real life too in a way.
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  Speaker 1: In a way, the makers went back and read a
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  Speaker 1: couple of books that purported to be nonfiction accounts of
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  Speaker 1: this incredible experiment carried out by the Navy. So incredible,
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  Speaker 1: and we should probably let's let's describe the experiment to
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  Speaker 1: begin with right experiments, we should say, yeah, that's true,
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  Speaker 1: this article gets it wrong. Yeah, on how stuff works? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There were two separate things, both involving the destroyership called
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  Speaker 1: the SS Eldridge recently commissioned. Uh, summer of nineteen three
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  Speaker 1: is when it began July, I think, And what supposedly
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  Speaker 1: happened was that there was um this ship and there
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  Speaker 1: was a big secret navy experiment that who's what's aim
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  Speaker 1: was to make the ship disappear. Yeah, not just to
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  Speaker 1: like radar something like that, but if there was a
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  Speaker 1: guy with the periscope, he would look right past the
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  Speaker 1: ship because it had been made invisible, essentially invisible. And
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  Speaker 1: then the story goes that that was successful. It was
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  Speaker 1: a successful experiment that was carried out. It disappeared in
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  Speaker 1: full view and broad daylight. Uh. And from the was
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  Speaker 1: it the Philadelphia shipyard and then reappeared. There's a big
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  Speaker 1: glow and then it reappeared and all the sailors aboard,
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  Speaker 1: we're in bad shape. So did that take place in
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  Speaker 1: July or was that took place in July? Okay, well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: then it happened again in October and then the second experience. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then they read the experiments. Supposedly the ship disappeared and
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  Speaker 1: popped up in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and then then reappeared
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes prior so at time traveled back ten minutes
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  Speaker 1: in to Philadelphia again right, which again the sailors were
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  Speaker 1: in bad shape even by teleportation standards. That's impossible, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, And supposedly these uh the
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  Speaker 1: shipmen were umu semen were Some were caught like in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the ship right, like crazed and crazy. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So basically the implication is is that they had been
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  Speaker 1: some sort of in some fashion molecularly disintegrated along with
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  Speaker 1: the ship, and then when it was brought back together,
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  Speaker 1: the coordinates were maybe off slightly, maybe the ship and
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  Speaker 1: the people were where they were ten minutes earlier, and
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  Speaker 1: things just went a little haywire, Like my upper halves
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  Speaker 1: on the Leado deck and my lower halfs on the
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  Speaker 1: uh or the other decks on the Love the Man.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only decade I know, the party deck, the
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  Speaker 1: Tango Debth, the Tango Debt, yeah, uh and the the
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  Speaker 1: and I'm still alive. And I've also gone mad because
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  Speaker 1: my brain didn't configure back correctly either. Yes, and this
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  Speaker 1: was all possible thanks to um Albert Einstein working with
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  Speaker 1: the Navy and teaching them all those little tricks on
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  Speaker 1: how you can make ships disappear in time travel. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: the theory is that UM or the rumor, the conjecture,
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory is that um Albert Einstein figured out
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  Speaker 1: the unified field theory, which is not true. He did
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  Speaker 1: not basically the theory of everything. No, it frustrated him
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  Speaker 1: for his whole life. UM there's this idea in physics
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  Speaker 1: that there's possibly one explanation for the behavior of everything
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  Speaker 1: in the universe. Right now, we've got a pretty good theory.
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  Speaker 1: I think the theory of special relativity ties in three
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  Speaker 1: of the fundamental forces in the universe, but gravity is
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  Speaker 1: this outlier that can't be tied in through physics formulas.
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  Speaker 1: And they think that there's some way of understanding things
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  Speaker 1: to where everything ties together. And as I think Michio
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  Speaker 1: Kaku famously put it, um he said that what they're
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  Speaker 1: searching for with a unified field theory is within formula
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  Speaker 1: and inch long you'll be able to read God's mind.
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  Speaker 1: And so the idea is that that Einstein came up
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  Speaker 1: with this unified the field theory, again not true, and
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  Speaker 1: that it was used to understand how to teleport things.
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  Speaker 1: So they used this understanding to carry out an experiment
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  Speaker 1: with a bunch of navy seamen on a destroyer in
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  Speaker 1: broad daylight, because you can you can imagine the advantage
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  Speaker 1: to be able to make your ship invisible. But not
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  Speaker 1: only that, if you could figure out how to teleport it.
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  Speaker 1: Like you're You're done, dude, no more war, because you
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  Speaker 1: would win them all and the rest of the world
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  Speaker 1: would just cower at your invisible feed. Yeah, you just
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  Speaker 1: suddenly pop up behind your enemy, put him in a
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  Speaker 1: full nelson and be like you give your give. You'd
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  Speaker 1: be like give and that's it. You just let him
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  Speaker 1: go and be like this right, and you tell port
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  Speaker 1: out of there. You see how easily that could happen.
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  Speaker 1: Nazi unified field theory. Alright, so the Philadelphia experiment never
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  Speaker 1: happened like that at least. What we'll go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: not give any credence to the conspiracy theorists out there,
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  Speaker 1: although we'll probably get a couple of people that emailed
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  Speaker 1: in Oh man, this is this is like a nucleus
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  Speaker 1: of conspiracy theory. It ties in UFOs, ties in theoretical physics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the US government of course, yep, ginormous cover up um
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  Speaker 1: it ties in all these different things. And it's really
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  Speaker 1: really interesting if you go read this stuff. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's to me. It's more interesting than just just UFO
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. You're just government cover up conspiracy theory. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a clearing house of conspiracy theories all tied up
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  Speaker 1: into one package. On the secret experiment that, if you
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  Speaker 1: listen to the Navy's official line, never took place. There
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  Speaker 1: never was a Philadelphia experiment. There never was. It was
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  Speaker 1: also known as Project Rainbow. There was never a Project Rainbow. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. The whole thing was made up
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  Speaker 1: out of whole cloth, apparently by a guy named Carlos
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  Speaker 1: m Yeah, and there were there was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: hinky details. Will go over why this thing has survived
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later, But there are a few hinky details,
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  Speaker 1: not to make it believable, but that just have fueled
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  Speaker 1: the fire over the years. And let's let's take a
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  Speaker 1: break right here, Chuck, because I'm getting a little over excited. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just put this under your tongue. You'll be fun. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, wake up, buddy, what we're back? Okay? How
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  Speaker 1: much time has passed in your mind? Millions of years?
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  Speaker 1: So it's only been about three hours. Do you feel arrested.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel very refreshed. Good, Well, we can continue.
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  Speaker 1: So you tease a man name, Well, he had some
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  Speaker 1: different names, Carl m Allen or under his pseudonym Carlos Miguel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, let me throw a d E on
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  Speaker 1: the end. I'll sound mysterious. Yeah, and Os and the
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  Speaker 1: D so in NFT six, I was gonna get in
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  Speaker 1: the way back machine, but I don't think we should
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  Speaker 1: even bother for this. No, this actually proves there is
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  Speaker 1: no way back machine. That's right. So in real time,
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  Speaker 1: uh Allende sent Um a letter, and he would go
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  Speaker 1: on to send about fifty more letters to an author
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  Speaker 1: named Morris Jessup, who wrote a book a year earlier
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  Speaker 1: called The Case for the UFO Yes, which you can
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  Speaker 1: find on the podcast page for this episode. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he's a he was an author. He's like a legit
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  Speaker 1: dude that wrote a bunch of books. I mean, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't mean legit is in like he
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  Speaker 1: proved any science behind UFOs, but he was. He authored
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  Speaker 1: books for real. Yes, he wasn't printing man, he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just publishing manifestos online. And he was a conspiratorially minded investigator. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but if you read like his writing, it was just
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  Speaker 1: nothing but conjecture. Nothing. There was nothing in it but conjecture.
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  Speaker 1: But then it as fact and he even says like
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  Speaker 1: these are, uh there are three basic proven facts about this,
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  Speaker 1: and then here's some more facts. And it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: these aren't facts at all, but it's really fascinating stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't know what facts are. Maybe so uh
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  Speaker 1: So he got these letters and um in these tersh
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  Speaker 1: At first there were some attacks on him and from
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  Speaker 1: from Alan saying, you don't know what you're talking about. Man,
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  Speaker 1: You're getting this unified field theory all wrong. And I
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  Speaker 1: know because Einstein spent several weeks with me teaching the
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  Speaker 1: stuff himself. Yeah, and not only that. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: cuckoo pot writes crackpot, right, And he was saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: I can prove that that unified field theory has been
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  Speaker 1: mastered by describing this experiment that took place from Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen three concerning one US destroyer called the USS Eldridge. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I know this because I was there, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I was on a ship in that harbor, and there
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  Speaker 1: were other ships in the harbor. That seems to be
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  Speaker 1: the only part that's true. Yeah, I mean this is
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  Speaker 1: a place where ships are being outfitted, like throughout the
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  Speaker 1: summer and fall. Yeah, it was the war, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: So he claimed that he was on one of these ships.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I witnessed this, uh in person, I saw
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  Speaker 1: this green glow. I saw this thing disappear. Not only
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  Speaker 1: that he could come, he could see the field that
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  Speaker 1: was created by this this um experiment, and he stuck
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  Speaker 1: his arm into it. He was that close. Stuff of movies, right,
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  Speaker 1: stuff of movies. Yeah. So he sends his letters, and
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  Speaker 1: he sends like fifty of them. Yeah, and Jessup said, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, let me investigate this a little bit
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  Speaker 1: because I'm a crackpot too. I get where you're coming from. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let me just check into this. Who's right of
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  Speaker 1: my Yeah, thank you for these? Uh, let me look
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  Speaker 1: into this a little bit. And he basically gave up
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  Speaker 1: because the dude could produce. He g asked him for
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  Speaker 1: some evidence or names anything. He had nothing. He didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He just said, here's the story and it's fact, and
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  Speaker 1: he goes. Um Carlos Allende, who by then I think
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  Speaker 1: had dropped the pseudonym right to Carl Allen, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: He might have called himself a big bird at that point.
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  Speaker 1: So he was, and he was a very disturbed man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking, but yeah he had mental problem. He did. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But if you if you research him, and you research
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  Speaker 1: even skeptics of the Philadelphia experiment, like the stuff he
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  Speaker 1: was coming up with was really interesting stuff. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: was good, a good writer, but he was a huge
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  Speaker 1: confabulator as well. Sure, so um he's saying all this
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  Speaker 1: is is fact and he uh, he's saying, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the dates were, I don't know the people's
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  Speaker 1: names or anything like that. But perhaps if I were
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  Speaker 1: put under narco hypnosis, I would remember all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So you got any drugs. And about this time, Jessup
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  Speaker 1: said I'm done with this. Right, he had actually moved
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  Speaker 1: on because apparently the government had directly addressed UFO rumors
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  Speaker 1: and now Jessip didn't do that. I'm sorry. Another guy
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  Speaker 1: did um who was interested in researching Umen, But I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure Jessip was like, I gotta get back to my
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  Speaker 1: serious work. He did. But then something truly bizarre happened.
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  Speaker 1: And this did happen. He got a knock on his
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  Speaker 1: door and two researchers from the Office of Naval Research
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  Speaker 1: who would have been carrying out experiments like this, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a guy named Carlos Allende?
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  Speaker 1: And you probably could have picked U M. K Jessup
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  Speaker 1: off the floor, I would imagine so, because I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, it's all true, yeah, exactly, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: come in, come in, please have some tea, have some opiates.
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  Speaker 1: It was at this point and they said, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: we got a package a year ago. Um, and it
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  Speaker 1: had a copy of your book, My Friend on the
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  Speaker 1: UFOs and it was, um, yeah, it was annotated very
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  Speaker 1: heavily by three people, well by by three sets of
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  Speaker 1: ink and three types of handwriting, which were all clearly
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  Speaker 1: from Carl Allen. Well they were to MK Jessup, who
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  Speaker 1: corresponded with Allen for well over fifty letters. Right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I'm not fooled this guy, Jimmy, J E, M.
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  Speaker 1: I who may have been an alien. It's it's Carl
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  Speaker 1: Allen and Mr A and Mr B or both Carl Allen.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're all Carl Allen. But regardless of whether they
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  Speaker 1: were all one, dude, the annotations had fascinated these two
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  Speaker 1: navy researchers enough that they supposedly, as far as the
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  Speaker 1: Office of Naval Research officially says, they took it upon
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  Speaker 1: themselves and paid out of their own pockets. And I
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  Speaker 1: guess took vacation time to go find uh m K jessup. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't found. I saw a bunch of conflicting reports
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  Speaker 1: on that, whether or not. And this is what conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theoristal point to that either it was official business or
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  Speaker 1: they did it on their own. Either way, they say
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  Speaker 1: that that means something and I've heard it explained away
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  Speaker 1: is it was just something on their list that they
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  Speaker 1: eventually had to get to. That seems like a terrible explanation.
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  Speaker 1: I think this adds like a real wrinkle of the story,
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  Speaker 1: whether purposefully or it's just something that can't be very
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  Speaker 1: easily explained away. Maybe it is it was just these
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  Speaker 1: guys were really interested in this. Maybe they were into
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  Speaker 1: UFO stuff or whatever. It doesn't matter, the fact that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: those two guys showed up gives this thing legs for miles,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, And it's just awesome that that happened, because
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that has kept this thing alive in part. Yeah, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the box came to them marked Happy Easter, which sounds
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: kind of funny. And uh it had weird punctuation and capitalizations,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: all the marks of a madman, right, Um. But again,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: like the stuff he was saying was it was. It
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: was curiosity arousing in these guys. And they actually took
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: um and again supposedly paid for our their own pocket,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the annotated version of the case for UFOs and published
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it with the annotations. Uh. They had a contractor, a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: military contractor called Vero Technologies I think, and UM had
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: them published it, which is weird, especially if they were
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: doing it on their own pocket. But only a hundred
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and twenty seven copies. Imagine it didn't cast that much.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I saw even and they were like spiral bound, so
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a yeah fancy. I read a lot of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this and it's um, it's you know, it's like it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: really out there. Yeah, you know, sure, but I imagine
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: if you're uphone enthusiasts, it might interest you. I mean,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: if you read Um Morris Jessup stuff, it's out there too. Well.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Imagine meeting that with the annotation from the other dude. Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, get the impression that it was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Carlos and stuff is even more out there. Yeah, you
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: can get online. It's on there's PDFs of it if
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you want to of the vero. Well, yeah, but supposedly
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of forged copies as well in circulation. Yeah. Yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. To seem real, Um, why would someone
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: take the time to forge a copy of the crack
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Pot Manifesto? That's the question we should all be asking ourselves. So,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: um Jessup's story uh ends just a couple of years later.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He was down on his luck and he got injured
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: really badly in a car accident, had a bad breakup
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: with his wife, and he killed himself. He put a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: hose from his car exhausted into his window. And this
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is one of the other reasons that conspiracy theory. Anytime
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: there's a suicide and there's the government involved, it's pretty
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: easy to say he didn't kill himself, the government killed him. Right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: It's made all the more suspicious though, because Um supposedly
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: he that was the day that he was to meet
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a friend who he had said he had told I've
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: made a breakthrough in the Philadelphia experiment case. And then
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he turns up dead of a suicide.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So well, I mean that, and the O n R
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: guys showing up at his door definitely has kept this
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: thing alive. It has uh um. Supposedly his friends came
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: out and said, now he was deeply depressed, and he
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: had talked of suicide in the months before he committed suicide.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But then I'm sure conspiracy theorists say they paid them
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: off me because people said, you can let my family
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: go down. Maybe what he said. And the Eldridge had
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a pretty uh well, it didn't go on to like
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: great things. It was sold to Grease or transfer Degrease,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: renamed the HS leon Um, used in exercises, and then
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: sold for scrap metal in the ninety So no big
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: deal with the boat, right, No big So we'll take
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: another little break here and we'll come back and we'll
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: talk about what really happened in the Philadelphia shipyard that day.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: All right, really happened, Josh, Nothing, that's supposedly what really
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: happened apparently on that day in the Naval shipyard. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: guess either July or October. But July, I think is
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the one that people typically if they just think it
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: was a one day thing rather than two separate experiments.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: It's usually July that they point to, which they did
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: in this article too. On that particular day, Um, the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: US S. Eldridge wasn't even in Philadelphia. Yeah, this is
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the part I don't understand. It was. Yeah. So here's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the thing. This is that revelation came out. We'll get
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to that in a minute. Prior to this, there is
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a researcher, he's an astrophysicist and you followed this named
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Jacques Jacques f Valet, and he was actually the inspiration
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for the upologist Frenchman character in Close Encounters of the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Third Kind. And he was also like a venture capitalist,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: is a pretty sharp dude. He just had some unusual interests, right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that he dedicated did himself
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: too was disproving the Philadelphia experiment, proving that it was
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a hoax. He was a skeptic, right, in some manner.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: He was a skeptic. Yeah, So he wrote a paper
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and Um, in the paper he invited people to uh
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to reach out to him if they had further information
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia experiment, and as a result, allegedly he
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: was contacted by a guy named Edward Dujon or Dudgeon.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Let's say Dudgeon. It's a little a little more pleasant
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: than Dujon. I bet his friend called him the Dungeon. Yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I bet, you know, yeah, that's what I would have
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: called him. So yeah, he responded. The paper was called
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Anatomy of a Hoax colon the Philadelphia Experiment fifty years
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: later in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, and uh, Dudgeon
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: got in touch and said, you know what was in
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the navy from forty five. I was on that boat
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and I can't explain what happened, which is pretty exciting. Well,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: he was. He was on the Angstrom, which was there
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: at the same time. I thought he was on the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: actual boat. Now he was an electrician on the Angstrom,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: but he said he was fully aware of all of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the electrical components on the Angstrom and on the Eldridge
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: because they all party together. Sure exactly that was that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: actually comes comes up later. Um, so he was saying
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he he basically had a pat and completely sensible and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: reasonable answer for every single part of the Philadelphia Experiment.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: For example, part of the Philadelphia Experiment legend is that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a brawl broke out in a bar following the experiment,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and two of the sailors on board the Eldridge suddenly disappeared.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: They vanished, well, um dudgeon. Dudgeon says, I was one
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of those guys. I actually faked my age on my
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: illicit page papers, so I was under age and shouldn't
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: have been in the bar. And the bar the bartender
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: um took pity on me and another underage dude and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: shoot us out the back door, and then pretended that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: she'd never seeing us. So they disappeared. They disappeared exactly
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: out the back door. Another one, he says, Um, Well,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he explains the whole thing basically, right. He says. There
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: was no experiment like that, but they were doing something
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that might have seemed freaky to the uninitiated, and that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: was degossing the ships. Yeah. The time. Germany and I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: guess everyone else really in the navy and the Navy's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: around the world. Uh, they had magnetic uh mind sea
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: mines which would uh find your boat and you know, go,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: who that's metal, let me go stick on that thing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and blow up. Yeah, and torpedoes that were magnetic seeking
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, and they thought, you know what, let's come
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: up with a way to make our ship pulls and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: our metal parts UM non magnetic to these to these obstacles, right,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: which is an established UM project I guess, or an
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: established what's the word I'm looking for process? So I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: was close with projects. It was a real thing. Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it's called degossing, uh, and it basically either changes or
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: gets rid of the magnetism of something that was formerly magnetic,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like a ship's hull. It does not make it invisible
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the radar or otherwise, but it probably looks pretty weird, right,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So they wrapped the ships in hundreds and hundreds of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: meters of cable UM and then ran a really high
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: voltage electrical charge through it, and supposedly this would demagnetize
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the ships, which really came in handy because at the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: time UM, just outside of UM America's coastal waters was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: called the Graveyard of the Atlantic because German U boats
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: were running the show out there at this time, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: as we learned in our did Nazis invade Florida, they
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes were parked right off the coast exactly, so they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: were taken out our destroyers and our cruisers and our battleships.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So this was a this is a big deal to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: be able to do that kind of thing. Although and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it was classified stuff. It wasn't experimentation in anything that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: hadn't been proven before. It was like, we're just de
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: magnetizing our battleships. Yeah, they could have had a big
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: sign up, said the gossing at work. Stand back. Yeah,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it wasn't no big super secret thing, right, But if
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you're a Nazi, don't read this sign right. Um. The
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: other thing that Dudgeon addressed was the concept that the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Eldridge disappeared from the Philadelphia shipyard, reappeared in Norfolk, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: then reappeared back in Philadelphia. Well, that happened, but it
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just went there and then came back, right, But it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: didn't happen in like five minutes or ten minutes or
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds. But again he points out, like if you
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: weren't really if you were just casually paying attention, you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: might have seen the Eldridge in Philadelphia that night and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: then noticed it was missing late at night, and then
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: noticed it was back in the morning, which would seem
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: impossible because that was supposedly a two day trip. Yeah,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: two days including air and back round trip was two
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: days up the up the coast. But apparently the Navy
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: had a canal that they used, Um, I think the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Delaware Chesapeake Canal that only the military could use, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they could make that round trip in six hours. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: in other words, it's easily explainable that it just simply uh,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I keep want to say sailed, but it's not sailing.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I think they still call it that, do they sail? Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: let's ship out. Yeah, it's shipped out and took off,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: shipped back in a regular amount of time, and it
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: just became part of the lore. Yeah, and I mean
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you can even tech on a few hours there. Apparently
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Norfolk was when they where they outfitted it with with
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: their explosives, and apparently they could load a battleship in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: four hours. So even taking that into account, it's still
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: ten hours. If it shipped out at eleven PM, which
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: is what uh Dujon says, right, what would dodge Yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: um he uh he says that shipped out at eleven
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it's still be back by nine am. So again, if
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you're just casually paying attention, what seems pretty mysterious really
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: took on legs over time. It's basically like a game
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of telephone, like any conspiracy theory. Maybe there's a kernel
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of truth that got exaggerated by some drunken sailors and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: then bam, it gets shrunk down to ten seconds through
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a teleportation experiment. Well, and these sailors, the drunken sailors
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: supposedly could have been overheard saying things like, you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: they're gonna make a ship disappear, They're gonna make us invisible,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: when in fact what they were saying is they're going
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to make it more or less invisible. To these minds
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: got all twisted around. It wasn't literally invisible. Yeah, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: so there were apparently tons of merchant semen around the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: area as well. Yes, so again this would have been
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: classified stuff if there have been loosely lips which sinks
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: ships the um and somebody had said like we're gonna
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: make it invisible, like you said, they would have picked
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: up on that. Maybe they were the ones who were,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: um just casually paying attention to the to the eldridge
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: here there, and it just seemed to disappear and reappear. Um.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And there's this guy named Robert Gorman and he um
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: in a nineteen eighty Faet magazine article wrote about tracking
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: down Carlos Allany. He was from the same hometown as him,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and turned out that he already knew the guy's father.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: He just didn't realize that he was Carlos Allan's father
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: or Carl Allen's father, your old man Allen's son. Yeah,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: pretty much. Um, and he managed to interview the family
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and get a pretty good picture of the guy. Um.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that he found was Carl
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Allen's merchant seamen papers, So it's entirely possible he was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: there around the time. Or if he wasn't there at
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the time, Um, he may have been. He may have
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: known somebody who was there at the time. I could
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: totally see him have been there, and that's probably how
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: he got the idea to cook it up right, Okay, Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and again, all of this lane squarely on the desk
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of Carl Allen because no one, no one talked about
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment. It was never those words were never
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: put together until he his first letter to Morris jessup right,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So it appears to have been totally fabricated by him.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah and um. After the movie came out, people started
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: coming out of the Wooden work, including a dude named
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Alfred Biolic. You can do his website. Oh yeah, he's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: he's something else. He made a video uh called h
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Experiment Part one, Crossroads of History, and he
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: claims that he was a physicist on board the Eldridge. Uh.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And he was a part of the team. And not
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: only that, he says he time traveled in three all
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the way to nineteen eighty three during the experiment to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: tell his story. That sounds excremely close to the plot
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of the Philadelphia Experiment movie. Yeah, and and except it
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: was a little different in the movie. He travels from, Um,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't mock this, it's a fascinating website. But he
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: puts himself squarely at the um the center of the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment. And he also says that he was part
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of the mont Talk project. Yeah, which they're sort of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: tied together somehow. Yeah, well you should do one on
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that at some point, somehow. Debunking things. This guy, this
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: guy wrote a book where he just basically made this
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: stuff up out of whole cloth. He says that the book,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: whether you take it as science fact or science fiction,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you're in for a really great story. Um, even though
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it's it's basically loaded with soft facts. This this is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the author in the preface right, but basically it's this
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: extension that, like the Philadelphia experiment, was wildly successful and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: from that we learned all sorts of things like getting
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: in touch with extraterrestrials, being able to teleport everywhere, um,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: just doing all sorts of really interesting things. Basically anything
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you can possibly think of that a conspiracy theorists would enjoy.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It's crammed into this book and it's it's given um
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: a bit of gravitas by associating it with the Philadelphia experiment.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You know in some quarters, manned some quarters that that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: definitely gives some gravitas. Uh. This green glow has been
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: explained away by most people as maybe an electrical storm
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: or st. Elmo's fire. Um, and it was just, you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: maybe just another part of this story that people took
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and ran with it, or maybe it was nothing at all. Yes, Um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it also could have been. The Office of Naval Research
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: put out a fact sheet on what they understand about
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment and they said, um, it's possible another
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: origin or the origin of that specifically was experiments with
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the U. S. S. Timmerman later on after the war
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: in the fifties where they tried to use a small
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: generator that was higher power than the narrator that was
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: currently on board, and it actually caused coronal discharge with
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a glow um and they said that no one was injured,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: no one was meshed into the ship. It was just
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a glow was created, which is what you'd expect from
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a very strong electrical field. Right. So they think possibly
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that combined with UM the degassing stuff they were doing
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: during World War two, came together um and helped this
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: legend take off. But what they say also though, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: what was supported by this reunion of USS Eldridge sailors
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in is that even the guy who debunked and discredited
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: everything that Carlos Allende said, um dudgeon, he was full
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of it too, apparently because the US S Eldridge wasn't
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia then it was in Brooklyn. Yeah, they got
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: together in Atlantic City and I read an article on
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: this meeting, and they had a good laugh and said
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that one of him even has something about an on
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: his license plate just so people like ask him about it.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And a few of them said they would pull people's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: legs and say like, oh, no, I disappeared and my
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: hand was caught in the ship, and then they would say, no,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: none of that happened. But they said that that was
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, and the ship's log confirms that. So, um,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: apparently it wasn't even in that shipyard that day at all. Right,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: So that's that's the only part where I'm like, oh,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, how could they completely invent that it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: was even in the shipyard. Why wouldn't they just use
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a ship that was there, because then it would give
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it a little more credence if there was at least
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a ship there. But that's what I'm saying, Like, Um,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Carl Allen, he made he said all this. He was
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the one who just came up with it from the beginning. Yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, it just seems a little weird
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that he he didn't care at all about making it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: believable by picking a boat that was actually there. Well,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. He may have been there at
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the time. He may have known that the Eldridge was
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: there and just fudge the date because he couldn't remember.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Because this is like twelve years later, over thirteen years
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: after the fact. You know what, I mean bad memory, right,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So maybe he just got the date wrong and the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: thing really did happen, and then the O n R
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Would be like, oh that experience, Yeah, oh yeah, we
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: teleported a battles. You just got the date wrong. So
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we've mentioned quite a few things here that why this
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: thing has lived on through the years. Um there, Uh
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that Jacques Valets theorizes that you know, anytime you have
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: like a movie made about it or any kind of imagery,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: whether it's a photo of the Lockness Monster to the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: photo of the Montauk Monster, people are gonna have something
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: physical to point to and say, look, they made this movie.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And that's when people started coming out the woodwork was
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: after the movie. So you know, yeah, I was there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I remember that now. Michael Paray just reminded me of
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: this thing that happened. He also had My favorite thing
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: on his website is that, um, he met the person
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that he later realized was the actor Mark Hamill in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Hawaii in six but Markamil would have been five at
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the time. Well did he say he was a little
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: nice little kid. I don't think he was a kid.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: He said he's a full grown adult. Interesting. Uh, what else?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The fact that it's the federal government. Of course, in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the in the military, you know, people are gonna run
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: with that stuff, which I mean, that's the military's fault.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I remember. Oh yeah, sure they did secret experiments, still do,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: tons of them back in some stuff that got declassified,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and it really opened people's eyes to the fact that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the government in the military experimented on un uninformed and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: unwitting subjects, not just in in its um ranks, but
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: also in the general public. So yeah, it's totally the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: idea that the military would do this um with its
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: own people on board, probably the most believable part of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, agreed. Uh And also just um, throw
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Albert Einstein in their throw in uh secret scientific theories
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that haven't been proven, and it's just ripe for the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: picking when it comes to conspiracies and the suicide. Of course,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I think we mentioned earlier that definitely doesn't help. It
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: did not help the case any But um, this is
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: one that I had a hard time finding people that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: still believe this. Uh yeah, I think a lot of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: people I could aren't aware of it, even except for
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the movie. You know what else helped it get legs.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: There's a book in nineteen seventy nine, and it was
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: called the Philadelphia Experiment Colon Project Invisibility, and it was
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: reprinted in in excerpts in papers around the country as
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: as fact or nonfiction in ninety nine. Does not help.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't help things. You know, I personally with all
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. I just I enjoy reading this stuff. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: think it's fun and funny and interesting. I don't there
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: aren't any that I really believe in, but um, I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: do think it's funny when people get all upon their
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: hackles and right in that. You know, that's making fun
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of the stuff, and it's you know, you don't know
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it could be real. Well that's the other thing. Man,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up, because they're like the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: just being like, no, this is not possible. That's stupid.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Stop thinking stuff like that. It's like, no, this is
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: at the very least people using their imaginations and uh,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: exercising it in ways that I don't typically do. And
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: so it is nice to come kind of visit it
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and check it out and read it. You know. Yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: although I claim to have seen a ghost, so what
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: do I know exactly? Although I have to say, probably
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the best excuse against this. There are two things that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: just say, just on its face, this isn't right. One,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: this happened seventy years ago, And if the military successfully
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: transported a battleship, we would know about teleportation by by now. Yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: they'd be doing it all over the place exactly. The
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: second thing was a quote from Robert Gorman, the guy
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: who tracked down Carl Allen, in that eight magazine article.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: He wrote, if we are to believe Carl Allen, our
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: naval hierarchy abandoned sanity and historical president by conducting an
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: experiment of enormous importance in broad daylight using a badly
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: needed destroyer escort vessel. Yeah, I think that kind of
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: sums it up nicely. Agreed, But go forth and read
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia experiment because it is interesting stuff. Watch
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the movie why not on Netflix? Now it's on YouTube.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: You watch the YouTube. I can't believe you made it
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: through it. I did. I'm telling you, like, I mean,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I was working too. I had to like windows open,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but it was fine. Yeah, it was fine. It's as
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: believable as Tron. That's Josh's review. Let's see if you
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: want to know more about the Philadelphia Experiment. You don't
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: have anything else right, you can type those words in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a search bar at how stuff works. And since Chuck
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: said tron, it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: this uh email from an up and coming podcaster in
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldog Nice. Hey guys, my name is Bailey. I'm
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a junior mass media, arts and theater student at good
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Old u g A Go Dogs wolf wolf Uh my
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: professional identity aside, I'm also a longtime listener and lover
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: of you guys. I listened to my first episode on
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the bus home from seventh grade that Wow. I'm pretty
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: sure it was episode on brainwashing. So she's in college now.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I mainly listen to y'all a is. I'm working on
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: my on campus job bus driving. Did you ever take
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the buses in Athens? The student bus? I was so
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: crippled with social anxiety that if I couldn't find a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: parking space, I would just skip class because I didn't
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: want to get on the bus. You had social anxiety,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: really like I didn't want to get to know anyone
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: or you just I just couldn't bear being around pure
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: at that age. Really interesting? Uh, the buses were always
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: a little scary because it was like, here's a forty
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: ft long bus full of students and it's driven by
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: year old student. Yeah, it's scary for me for different reasons,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: but I can imagine it's scary for that reason too. Yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it took him a few times. I mainly one. Um, okay,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: where was that bus driving? So my passengers have the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: honor of listening to you as well. Oh, I gets
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: you plays it out loud. That's nice, That is nice.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: That's the party bus, I guess. So the other day
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I was driving, I realized, is my destiny to produce
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and host a podcast on campus. We don't really have
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: anything like that, so I'm excited about it. My idea
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: is to have me and another host be constants on
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the show, and every week bring in a different u G.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: A professor or Athens professional or general awesome person to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: talk about the one thing in their field that fascinates
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: them the most for about thirty minutes. It would include
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: informal conversation between the three of us about a topic
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: highly inspired by all's witty banter. Anyway, because you guys
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: are my muses, I would want to uh wanted to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: ask you any advice for a baby bulldog podcaster. As
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: an m M A major, I feel like I have
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the basic knowledge and resources for the technical side, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: as far as what makes a good episode, I'm feeling
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: pretty shaky. What is your environment, Like, how much do
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you prepare for the actual script? Do you have a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: specific formula for every episode? I'm fascinated and that is
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Bailey Johnson, Uh, you got any advice? I will give
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you the same advice I would give anybody starting out
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in podcasting. Bailey, get good mikes. It's worth the expenditure,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: make it sound good, and they probably have them on
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: campus I imagining. Yeah, I mean yeah, if you can
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: finagle your oy into a studio with good mikes, ye,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: do it. Oh yeah, do whatever you need to do
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to get that done. H And then release on a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: reliable schedule. That are those are the two keys to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to begin with. I mean, like, as long as you're
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: leasing on a reliable schedule, people will come to appreciate
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. Yeah. And my advice as far as
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: scripting goes is, you know, we said this a billion
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: times on different interviews, but we don't script stuff out
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and we don't go over stuff with each other. We
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: just do our own research and try and have as
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: natural a conversation as possible, which I think has helped
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: our show out. That's not to say that you need
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to do that, but I think being relatable and um
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: conversational helps rather than feeling like you're being read a script.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people that would be
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: as into that, So my advice would be trying to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: make a conversational um, you know, maybe go over it
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: with whoever your co host is some at first, she's
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a theater major, right, Yeah, you should be pretty good
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: at this stuff already. So yeah, I'm sure it's good
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: at ed Livings. She's probably finds comfort in the idea
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of a script. I don't think there's anything wrong with
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: starting out trying that, but if it doesn't feel right
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: or you're not getting good feedback about it, and try
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: try something else. Yeah, my my, I guess I would
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: say maybe try like instead of script, try like an outline,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: um that you share with each other with poor Man's script. Yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: so you've got a little roadmap ahead of you, and uh,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: we kind of just we've been doing this for so long,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: we don't need that. We don't need it, not online.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But we have our own roadmap that we share via
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: our brain waves. Yes, map to the White House. It's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: not written down two thousands, sixteen. So those are our
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: points of advice. Um, we don't have a specific formula.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: We just try to talk about things that we find interesting.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: That's I think that's a key to man. Yeah, be
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: into what your own topic is because that'll show for sure.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Although we've also found that like just about everything is
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: interesting if you dig hard enough, has a story. Yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So if something's like really boring, you maybe abandon it,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: but you can also try digging harder. Agreed, So good luck, Bailey,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: send us a link when that's up and we'll plug
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: it for you. And um, and since you're doing an
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: interview show, your goal should be with each interview to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: make that person cry. You know what, Bailey, I'll I'll
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: even be on your show if you want. Whoa nice Yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I'll do that. If you get it up and running
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and you need somebody, I'd be happy to sit in.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: That is so nice. Why not well too, if you want,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I phone Forday athletes. Uh yeah, it's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: not that I don't like to, but I might just
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: be easier to do it on the phone. Okay, we'll
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: see Bailey. He's laid it out there for you. Get
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in touch, all right, Bailey, Good luck class of seventeen.
• 47:34
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