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Jaguars Happy Hour | Where the Jaguars Need to Improve Heading Into the Bye Week · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: October 19th, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: is brought to you by Jet Home Loans. And now,
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  Speaker 1: a gal who is truly fond of horses, zebras not
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 2: Kainani Stevens.
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  Speaker 3: No stripes. Referees are not my friend. Welcome into Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans. I'm Kainani Stevens.
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  Speaker 3: Austin Lane and Pete Prisco are with me today from
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  Speaker 3: Hyundai Studios. And there's a lot to talk about. We
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  Speaker 3: finished up with that London road trip, but we've got
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  Speaker 3: a lot coming up on your show today. It's presented
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  Speaker 3: by Deep Eddie Vodka, handcrafted with real fruit, proud partner
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  Speaker 3: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's Monday, October 19th. It was
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  Speaker 3: a heartbreaker in London. You win by a field goal
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  Speaker 3: in the first London game. You lose by a field
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  Speaker 3: goal in the second London game. And Are some changes
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  Speaker 3: coming up? This is the bye week. Pete, I know
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  Speaker 3: has always said when there's a winning, you don't make changes,
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  Speaker 3: but they have a loss now. So maybe some changes
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  Speaker 3: coming their way, keeping it real. We'll answer your fan questions.
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  Speaker 3: There were a lot of them after that really tightly
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  Speaker 3: contested loss. So as mentioned, CBS sports senior writer, Pete
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  Speaker 3: Prisco with me, former Jaguars offensive and Austin lane as well.
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  Speaker 3: And guys, it was a really competitive game.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to the game, before we get to
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  Speaker 2: the game, what about our national star that we're working
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  Speaker 2: with now? Look at you. Wow. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep up with you, Pete.
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  Speaker 4: You're our national star.
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  Speaker 2: That was nice. It was a nice write-up, a nice situation.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. NFL.com did a feature piece about
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  Speaker 3: my work. So it was very, very, very kind of them.
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  Speaker 3: And I appreciated it.
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  Speaker 5: It was a great write-up. I didn't have to subscribe
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  Speaker 5: to anything.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have to go through a paywall, Pete.
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  Speaker 5: Free 99. You'll love to see that. So I definitely
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  Speaker 5: checked it out. It's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Pete. It was a good one to watch
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  Speaker 3: as a fan, but obviously not the great finish. I
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  Speaker 3: was excited that we got another competitive game in London.
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  Speaker 3: But what happened at the end there? And was it
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  Speaker 3: just that or was it the whole thing for you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they got a hot quarterback. I mean, he was sensational.
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  Speaker 3: C.J.
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  Speaker 2: Stroud has been playing really good football. And they got
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  Speaker 2: carved to shreds across the board. And I thought they
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  Speaker 2: got caught in some bad defenses. You know, their blitzes,
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  Speaker 2: they had a good plan for handling all those blitzes.
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  Speaker 2: They identified where the open receivers would be. And his
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  Speaker 2: accuracy was unreal. So you add it all up and
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  Speaker 2: you had defensive problems all day long. And I saw
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  Speaker 2: your clip today also where you're talking about the field
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  Speaker 2: and the pass rushers and how hard it is.
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  Speaker 5: And that was part of the issue, I feel like.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't the whole issue.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to rush the passer in the snow. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to rush the passer on a slick field. I
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  Speaker 2: think the advantage always goes to the defense. So I
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  Speaker 2: agree with you 100%. But, man, that quarterback was cooking
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I felt like we went into this game thinking, like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: they got Daniel Hunter, they got Will Anderson Jr., right?
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  Speaker 5: We got Josh Heinzown, and we have Trayvon Walker. We're
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  Speaker 5: not really talking about our defensive ends. We're talking about
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  Speaker 5: their defensive ends a lot more. we probably didn't take
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  Speaker 5: into account of how everyone seems to be talking about
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  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence. And I feel like from a national level,
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  Speaker 5: maybe no one's really talking about CJ Stroud. So to me,
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  Speaker 5: that was almost like this CJ Stroud coming out party
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  Speaker 5: a little bit, not to say Trevor played a bad
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  Speaker 5: game because he didn't, but I think Stroud in terms
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  Speaker 5: of some of those throws, um, that one where we
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  Speaker 5: got pressure to jail and no, I think that one
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  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, over the middle. Um, to me and listen,
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  Speaker 5: I've watched the Texans play and yes, he's getting the
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  Speaker 5: ball quickly. He's got accuracy and everything. But to me,
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  Speaker 5: that was a showcase right there of, CJ Stroud saying, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you guys may think Trevor Lawrence is good, but check
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  Speaker 5: me out too as well.
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  Speaker 3: He was 24 for 34, 312 yards, three touchdowns, obviously
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  Speaker 3: the one interception in the end zone to Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 3: But I think, Pete, maybe if Jaguars fans haven't been
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  Speaker 3: watching the Texans along, you would think, oh, the defense
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  Speaker 3: is as great as always and this offense had been struggling.
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  Speaker 3: But it was really kind of the opposite until recently.
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  Speaker 3: It was CJ Stroud playing really well and then the
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  Speaker 3: defense kind of putting it back together now that D'Amico
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  Speaker 3: Rines has taken over play calling. But They had everything
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  Speaker 3: working for him on Sunday, it felt like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, defensively, I thought Liam Cohen had a
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  Speaker 2: great plan to attack the Texans. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Texans played a lot more man than they normally do.
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  Speaker 2: D'Amico Ryans will have them playing more man, and they did.
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  Speaker 2: And every time they did and they blitzed Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: he beat them. He beat them in the man. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to a lot more of the details of the
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  Speaker 2: offensive performance because... Parker Washington has to catch some balls.
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  Speaker 2: We'll put that out there for now. We'll tease that,
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  Speaker 2: but that's something we'll talk about coming up. Trevor missed
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  Speaker 2: a couple. Jacoby Myers in the middle of the field,
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  Speaker 2: he got to hit that one. Now, Myers could have
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  Speaker 2: caught it, but he's got to hit him in stride,
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  Speaker 2: and he's probably still running. So there were some misses,
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  Speaker 2: but I thought Liam Cohn called a great game offensively,
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  Speaker 2: I thought. The decision not to kick a field goal,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like that early in the game. I would
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  Speaker 2: have kicked the field goal And, by the way, late
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  Speaker 2: in the game, they sure could have used that field goal,
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  Speaker 2: I think, couldn't they?
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that how it works out every time?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, to me, and I spoke about this
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  Speaker 5: earlier today, to me it's about consistency, right? You had
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  Speaker 5: a 55-yard opportunity. Is that the one you're talking about, Pete?
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  Speaker 5: Because there was really two of them.
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  Speaker 1: One was a 60.
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  Speaker 5: They went for it on fourth down.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So that would have been, I think it was a 55-yarder.
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  Speaker 5: That would have been if you take into account. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I keep hearing Cam Little's a weapon, and I believe
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  Speaker 5: he is a weapon. And I don't know what the
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  Speaker 5: analytics say and I don't know what the percentages say,
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  Speaker 5: but what I do know is that you believed in
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  Speaker 5: your offense on what, fourth and four it was? Fourth
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  Speaker 5: and three?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Fourth and short.
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  Speaker 5: Fourth and short. Okay. So you went with that. Didn't
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  Speaker 5: work out fine. But then when the game's on the line,
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  Speaker 5: then you change your mind and go, okay, well, Cam,
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  Speaker 5: this is a 60-yarder. We need you more than ever.
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  Speaker 5: Get out there and no pressure, but get out there
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  Speaker 5: and make it. Like, to me, you have to be consistent, right?
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  Speaker 5: Where if you want to go for it, then go
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  Speaker 5: for it both times, right? Then go for it in
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  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, even though Camlin, we know, probably can
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  Speaker 5: make it. But then go for it again, try to
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  Speaker 5: win the ball game, and you go for that 60-yarder.
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  Speaker 2: See, I probably, you know, Austin, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I would be consistent in that situation either because I probably–
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  Speaker 2: would have kicked the first time, and me being me
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  Speaker 2: and I hate not kicking, I probably would have went
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  Speaker 2: for it the second time. And I think he battled
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  Speaker 2: himself on that. You could see him over there on
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  Speaker 2: the sideline thinking about it because my rationale would be
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  Speaker 2: they hadn't stopped the Texans basically all day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So if you get the first down, you go in
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  Speaker 2: and you can win the game with a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't get the first down, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to go get, you know, 35 yards to go
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  Speaker 2: get a field goal anyways. So in that scenario, I
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  Speaker 2: might have gone for that. I didn't like the third
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  Speaker 2: down call that much either because, remember, it was third
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  Speaker 2: and what was it, third and nine or whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: they had a picket fence across there, and they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even challenge him. They threw it to Strange, and he
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  Speaker 2: got tackled for a six-yard gain or seven-yard gain. Then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're looking at– fourth down now
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  Speaker 2: so he didn't even give you a chance to get
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  Speaker 2: the third down well.
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  Speaker 5: And listen hindsight's gonna always be 2020 but keep in
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  Speaker 5: mind what the Texans did as well D'Amico Ryans could
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  Speaker 5: have went for it on a fourth and short it
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  Speaker 5: seemed like and they opted for the field goal and
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  Speaker 5: when I think a lot of coaches in that situation
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  Speaker 5: I'd probably say what Pete 75 80 of the coaches
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  Speaker 5: probably would have went for it there and right and
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  Speaker 5: he opted to kick the field goal get three points
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  Speaker 5: and lo and behold They won by three.
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  Speaker 2: See, I think game flow matters. If that game was
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  Speaker 2: 16-13 and you're trying to tie it on a 60-yard field, go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I give you that. They haven't moved all day. You
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  Speaker 2: kick them in, you get the ball, you stop them,
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  Speaker 2: they go to overtime.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 2: In a game that nobody was stopping anybody, I think
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  Speaker 2: those are where you might consider going for it. And
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  Speaker 2: believe me, that was a tough decision. It really was.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he agonized over it. You could see
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  Speaker 2: he was. Do I go for it? Do I kick it?
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  Speaker 2: We're getting to the point now where we say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: 60-yard field goal. He'll bag that through. I mean, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But he did.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and keep in mind, if you're Cam Little, you're essentially,
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  Speaker 5: they're saying, we didn't really, I mean, we trusted you,
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  Speaker 5: but we're going to go for it on fourth and three, three, whatever, 55.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So we don't need you here, but hey, it's 60 yards.
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  Speaker 5: We kind of need you now. And then you saw
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  Speaker 5: the reaction after he made it like a big side
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  Speaker 5: relief because, well, we think the game's over then.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like one of those ones where almost whoever
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  Speaker 3: had it last was going to because they were at
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  Speaker 3: that point. It was score, score, score, score, score. Like
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  Speaker 3: it was nonstop at that point. And I was surprised, Pete,
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  Speaker 3: as well, that he didn't go for it just because
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  Speaker 3: he had. And maybe it's a little bit of gunshot
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  Speaker 3: from last week with some of the decisions or he's
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  Speaker 3: evolving as a coach. I mean, that was his first year.
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  Speaker 3: We can't take everything as gospel going forward, but. it,
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  Speaker 3: it is interesting. And, and I think part of the
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  Speaker 3: difficulty of that decision was, as you mentioned, the defense
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  Speaker 3: was just falling apart. We talked about Ben don't break, right?
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  Speaker 3: The first couple, they broke, it was broken.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, they were, they were, they got out game
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  Speaker 2: planned and we don't say that much about camp, you know,
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  Speaker 2: cause he's been so good.
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  Speaker 4: Kip and Ellie has been so good with his plans, but.
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  Speaker 2: He, they had, whatever he threw, they had something to
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  Speaker 2: counter it. You know, how many times did we see, like,
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  Speaker 2: you saw Ventrell Miller up near the line mugging the A-gap,
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  Speaker 2: and they, they threw to Schultz over his shoulder because
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't get back out of there in time to
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  Speaker 2: cover that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and there were a couple busts. They busted,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was either, either, it was miscommunication, either
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  Speaker 2: a Luokan or the safety Murray, whichever one, one of
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  Speaker 2: them did it on the goal line when the guy
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  Speaker 2: was wide open.
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  Speaker 5: Tight end, yep.
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  Speaker 2: They're pointing at each other. Yeah. But, I mean, for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, I think he was ahead. Nick Kelly,
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  Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator, was ahead of Campanile in this game.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I think you saw open receivers and
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  Speaker 2: all these things, you know, like that right there. Look
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  Speaker 2: at Murray and and alu and aluacon pointing at each
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  Speaker 2: other and you see that they both both go to
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  Speaker 2: the same guy you're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 5: Here yeah and that's not a good look because once
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  Speaker 5: again it's beating yourself right it's not giving yourself a
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  Speaker 5: chance to to make a play you had a guy
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  Speaker 5: literally wide open because of a coverage bust and and
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  Speaker 5: that can't happen right so that has to get cleaned
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  Speaker 5: up and hopefully during the bye week, it will. But
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  Speaker 5: I think we got to start. Cause listen, I saw
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  Speaker 5: on social media this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And, and I felt like I had a, like 25
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  Speaker 5: Pete Prisco's in my mentions talking about bringing Max Crosby,
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  Speaker 5: big and Max Crosby. Right. And, And I understand the
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  Speaker 5: frustration in terms of the pass rush.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not just going to blame it on the
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  Speaker 5: field and say, OK, it was a sloppy field. Pass
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  Speaker 5: rushers couldn't get going. Like, no, it's not just the field.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say, well, Anderson and Daniel Hunter didn't
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  Speaker 5: really do a great job.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only reason I take the field argument into play.
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  Speaker 3: So how did we not see them? We didn't talk
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  Speaker 3: about them at all.
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  Speaker 2: They also got blocked.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they got blocked as well.
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  Speaker 2: They got chipped a bunch too. Sure. Jackson was getting
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  Speaker 2: blocked in a lot of one-on-one situations. Those guys were
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  Speaker 2: getting blocked.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and maybe we can go to it now. We
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  Speaker 5: can go to it after the break. But I want
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  Speaker 5: to do highlight that Nico Collins, his first reception, because
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  Speaker 5: I think we have to start the question a little bit, Pete,
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  Speaker 5: if this scheme is not putting these defensive ends in
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  Speaker 5: situations just to succeed, basically, because there's such an emphasis
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  Speaker 5: on stopping the run. that I think it's really taken
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  Speaker 5: the pass rush kind of out of the game, especially
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  Speaker 5: on first down. Because if you look at the explosive
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  Speaker 5: that the defense has given up in the secondary, half
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  Speaker 5: of them have come on first down, which to me
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  Speaker 5: is a barely telling stat. So I don't know. Do
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  Speaker 5: we have the– We absolutely do.
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  Speaker 3: Go for it.
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  Speaker 5: Can we go for just real quick the play, the
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  Speaker 5: Nico Collins play, first quarter, would have been the first
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  Speaker 5: explosive they gave up to Nico. I know I'm kind
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  Speaker 5: of putting people on the spot here. I apologize. I apologize.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are. But that's good.
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  Speaker 5: My bad.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good place to be. Was it the setup
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  Speaker 3: for you, Austin? Did you see it immediately? Were you
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  Speaker 3: kind of concerned?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I was concerned because I'm like, hope this isn't
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  Speaker 5: play action. Because you literally see it the first play
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  Speaker 5: of the game. where you see Trayvon Walker and Josh
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  Speaker 5: Hines-Allen get confused. They're trying to move around and everything.
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  Speaker 5: This is the play right here. So if you freeze
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  Speaker 5: it before the ball's even snapped, you have Josh Hines-Allen
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  Speaker 5: playing head up on a tackle. And his job right here,
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  Speaker 5: this is all in to stop the run. They are
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  Speaker 5: not concerned about the pass whatsoever. So you have Trayvon
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  Speaker 5: Walker on the left side. He's in basically an outside five.
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  Speaker 5: And you have Josh Hines-Allen, who is literally head up
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  Speaker 5: on a tackle. And what they're saying here, I think
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  Speaker 5: it's Dennis Gardick on the side, they're telling Gardick to
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  Speaker 5: come down and stop the run. Well, it's a play-action pass.
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  Speaker 5: You can't get into your pass rush. And if you
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  Speaker 5: know anything about the pass game, when you go for
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  Speaker 5: that long play like that, you need time to develop.
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  Speaker 5: So what the Houston Texans were doing, they were disguising
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  Speaker 5: that they're going to run the ball, run play-action, get
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  Speaker 5: Josh Hines-Allen and Trayvon in these four-eye look, these matchups,
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  Speaker 5: and it essentially neutralizes them. You have all the day
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  Speaker 5: in the world to pass. And you go to Nico
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  Speaker 5: Collins right here. Now, can secondary clean it up a
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  Speaker 5: little bit? Absolutely. But give me a but.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you. But Trayvon Walker is also working
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  Speaker 2: in a one-on-one situation over there against a 65-year-old right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: And he's got to shut him. Go inside of him.
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  Speaker 6: No, sure.
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  Speaker 5: But, I mean, and I get that, man. And maybe
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  Speaker 5: like a split second later, if they do a better
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  Speaker 5: job on Nico, maybe he does get– But my only
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  Speaker 5: point is we're talking about Josh Hines-Allen not doing his
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  Speaker 5: job here, not doing his job. I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: you want a guy to do when he's in a
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  Speaker 5: 4-I and he has to play the run first, and
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  Speaker 5: then you're asking him to work from that 4-I, work
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  Speaker 5: outside of the offensive tackle, and try to get there
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  Speaker 5: in three seconds. It's just not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: No, look, there are things working against them, but also,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you say something about their pass rush,
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  Speaker 2: you automatically, like, I think one of the guys wrote
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  Speaker 2: a story this week about how their pressures are their
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  Speaker 2: second most or third most in the league, their pressures.
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  Speaker 2: But what are their pressures when they're rushing with four?
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  Speaker 2: Because they didn't dissect that part of it in that story.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: And so everybody always says that. But if you've got
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: to bring blitzes all the time to get your pressure,
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: that means your ideal scenario isn't working. Because the ideal
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: scenario for every team in the league is to get
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: home with four. Mm-hmm. You know, the Philadelphia Eagles won
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl getting home with four. You know, back
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: in the day, the Dallas Cowboys used to get home
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: with four. And so, sure, you're getting pressures. You're not
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: getting the quarterback on the ground, by the way. I
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: think they have 11 sacks, and that number has moved
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: them down into the 20s, I think, in terms of
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: sack numbers. So they're not getting them on the ground.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: And in key moments, they're not getting them on the ground.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: We've said that time and again. And so defend the
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: pass rush all they want. Now, you make.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: Good points, but they're not always in that defense scheme.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Even on third down, they're not there.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: And this is my point, man. I'm just saying when
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: it's the base look, when it's first down and you're
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: not sure if it's run or pass, this team always
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: errs on the side of stopping the run more than
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: a play action. And I think teams are starting to,
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: like their offenses that they're going against, are starting to
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: take key to that.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: It's kind of what Liam Cohen does to other teams.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they load up and make it look like
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: a run action and they throw off of it. And
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: that's what teams are doing now in the league. But
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: on third down, when you're in one-on-one situations, you've got
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: to win those. They don't win them. They do not
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: win them. And, you know, the defensive, well, they get pressures.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Somebody once told the defensive end when he showed up
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: in his negotiating, time to negotiate, he said, well, I had,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: you know, 33 pressures on the season. They go, how
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: many sacks did you have? Five? You ain't getting any money.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Pressures don't pay. They don't.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: But here's the thing, Pete. Neither is stopping the run. So, like,
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: when you're asking Trayvon Walker to bump down to that 4-I,
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: you're asking Josh Hines, I want to bump down to
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: that 4-I, you think they're all about that?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But right. So let me ask you this though, Austin.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: If they played Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines, Allen is
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: wide nines. Are they going to win consistently?
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I think they're going to have a lot more confidence
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: in doing so.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: You think they're going to win? I mean, they don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: look like wide nines.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: I think they can win a lot more if they're
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: at wide nines. I mean, I've listened.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I played in a wide nine.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Who's that? Max Crosby.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: So then are we going to bring in Max Crosby
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and change the entire scheme around? Because that's what it's
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: going to entail.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: You can change some things around.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. Okay. I mean, don't you think, this
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: is just me, I love aggressive defense. I really do.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But they got caught a bunch in their aggression on Sunday.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: And you remember the one run where it was it
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: was different with the one run where he got like
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: 11 yard gain. I think Trayvon Walker was at end
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and they came with their attacking guys and they dropped
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: him out like thinking it was going to be a pass.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And he couldn't do anything against the run.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Right inside of him.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: So little things like that have impacted him a little
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: bit lately.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: And also, too, we can break it down later that
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: the one touchdown run. We have to talk because... Well, first.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Of all, the angle from behind is not great.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: It's not a good look for some people.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Well, first off, Jerry and Jones, you've got to make
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: that tackle. Jerry and Jones have to make the tackle.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: But Josh Hines-Allen went up the field, and Josh Hines-Allen
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: usually hustles his butt off. He didn't hustle his butt
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: off on that play. I don't know if you– did
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you see?
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about. I think that's where Kyle
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: was going with it. That's where I was going with
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: it too.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And that's the only angle I've seen, so I don't
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: know if it looks– I've.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Seen a couple angles.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I've seen– I've watched it all 22 tape, and he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: did not.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: He's not running to the football.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: And had he done so, he would have tackled him
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: for a five-yard gain. Wow. Wow.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: That's very compelling.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: But Jordan Jones has to tackle him in the hole.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: No, you've got to get him in the hole. But
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: once again, stopping the run, it's all about effort and intensity.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: And if you're not going to show that, well, then
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: now you're starting to lose your identity of what you
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: are on defense.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But they also got him a couple. They didn't run
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: in between the tackles. They were running on those tosses.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars didn't do a good job on those tosses.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: A lot to discuss. We've touched some of it already,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: but stay with us here on Jaguars Happy Hour. We'll
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: talk more, and then we'll talk a little bit about
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the offense as well.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Travis played awesome, made some huge plays for us, gave
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: us a spark. I mean, just made some unreal plays.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: So I thought it was cool to, you know, obviously
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: get him involved. And he's special with the ball in
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: his hands. And I think obviously today was probably the
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: most work he's gotten offensively this season. So he did
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: some great things. And, yeah, it kind of just happened
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: that way. We always have a plan for him. And
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: it seemed like we got pretty much all those called today,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: which was great. And he was making plays.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Time now for our player of the game brought to
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: you by Publix, where shopping is a pleasure. And Travis
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Hunter likes to play in London, apparently, because he got
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a touchdown. He had an interception. Obviously, he had his
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: first career touchdown in the blowout loss to the Rams
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: last year in London. But the first time, was it
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the first time there's been a receiving touchdown and interception
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: since 2002? So he's a true two-way player in this game.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And I know at least.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: In the second half, he was clearly a focus at
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: that point when they kind of shifted how they were
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: running the offense. But four targets, four receptions, 59 yards,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: and of course that touchdown, and then a huge red
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: zone interception in the end zone. This is what I
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: imagine they were hoping this would become when they drafted him.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, they wanted to get him comfortable on
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. And now that he's comfortable
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, time to go. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the one play that we showed, the first play there,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the ball was behind him. And he made a great play.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: He's got natural receiving instincts. The touchdown was a great play.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: He's got one shoe on here as well, by the way.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the one play, the one... screen, he stayed
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: outside on it and he might score. But he cut
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it back in. But that's just getting the feel for it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Once you see him catch the ball, watch. When he
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: catches the ball, you can see him now go there.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: See?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: There's no reason to... So, but he's just a natural receiver.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: His quickness, he's so quick and puts his foot in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the ground and he can move. And then we go
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to the, you know, this is the touchdown. That's a
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: great play by Trevor, too. Kind of stepping up and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: firing a shot in there. But then you go to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the interception. I mean, the interception was incredible because he's beat.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: He actually got beat on that play. And his makeup
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: speed was unreal. I mean, he's just this phenomenal player.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: He gave up the long throw to... to Collins.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: He got, you know, called for that pass interference.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Got called for it, yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't happen. He got called for it, though.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Got called for it, yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And then he, you know, the one he gave up
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that pass to Collins where Collins pushed him, they didn't
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: call that one either. Yeah. So, I just think, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: he's a willing tackler in the run game. There's the interception.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's beat on this play.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And, And his makeup speed, which everybody talked about him
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: being a great corner, is his makeup speed. He made
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the play right there. So he's a big-time player. Yesterday
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: on the national stage, it gave Jacksonville a chance to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: showcase him and get people off their backs for saying
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: they gave up too much to go get him.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Exactly, right? I mean, this is a guy who yesterday
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: changed the game, as James Gladstone said. Now, sports entertainment,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be honest, I could really care less
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: about it. But what I do care about is the
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: spark that he gave this offense because there was a spark.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: There was a different type of energy when he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: on the field. And it's almost like when 12 is
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: on the field now, you can't take your eyes off it. Like, oh,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: something crazy is going to happen. Now, can you sustain
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: that or does it even help you out where it
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: eventually becomes like teams will start game planning for this
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: because every time 12 is on the field, you've got
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: to shut them down. And now you're putting more resources in.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: and more energy to try to stop him, and now
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: something else opens up. Like, I think it's a beautiful
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: spot to be in, but what you can't deny is
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: that this offense got a B-12 injection when he was
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: in the game, and I think it changed the momentum
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: of that game a little bit. The dance was absolutely crazy,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: the choreographed end zone dance.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: It feels like he's always doing, like, 12 dances at once.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I would have had a heart attack. I mean, is
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: he at home just, like, playing?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was awesome, dude. I'm all for it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he enjoyed himself. You know what I liked about
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: what they did with him, though, on offense? What? it
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't just put him on the slot and run a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: bubble screen to him or get him on the jet
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: sweep action. They put him in the backfield and let
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: him run an angle route against a linebacker. He's going
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to win that. You can't, I mean, that's just good
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: football coaching by Liam Cohn to diagram that, get him
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: in that scenario. He's going to beat that guy with
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: his quickness and it wasn't the same old stuff. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think they're advancing him as a weapon in the offense,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: which I think they needed to do.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Does it come at the expense of not using Brian
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Thomas Jr.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Anymore? Well, he didn't do anything in the second half, right?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Didn't play in the second half.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Well, if you're not playing him, peddle him.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: What can you get for him?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you could get that package. You put him in
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: as part of a package. I can tell you right
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: now that L.A. Rams lack deep speed players. of any
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: sort on their offense, and it shows up week in
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and week out. Puka Nakua, great player, doesn't run that well.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Devontae Adams, really good player, doesn't run that well, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: he got hurt yesterday. So if you're the Jaguars' Gladstone,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: call the Rams. Say, hey, Brian Thomas Jr., you need speed.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: He can run. We're not using him. What do you
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: got in the defensive line for me?
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, they do have Tutu Atwell, but I
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: feel like he's, and nothing to disrespect Tutu Atwell, but
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: he's more of like, I feel like the decoy. They
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: don't even use him. That's what I'm saying. He's just
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: out there just to kind of run the go-route and say, okay,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: let's get Puka open or Devonta. You get the sense
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: when Brian Thomas Jr. is on his game, he can
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: be a weapon. It's just for whatever reason, it's not
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: coming to fruition here. And it's frustrating because it'd be
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: one thing if he looks like he's checked out. But
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: you watch the film, Pete, the guy is a willing blocker.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: So that goes to show you he still cares. You
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: can tell when wide receivers don't really care anymore and
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: they're over it when they're not blocking and they're just
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: kind of going out there running their routes half speed
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: and they're just like, I'm over this. Send me someplace else.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: He's not to that point. So it's hard to say
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't care. It's just for whatever reason, if
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: it's a mental block, some kind of psychology that I
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: don't even know about what to discuss about, but it's
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: an issue. And you can't trust him right now in
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: the field, it seems like.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: But okay. The Rams don't have anything on their defensive
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: line that I think they would part with. That's part
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of the problem. You know, if they, if they, if
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: do they have anything you want? That's the question.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: You got to find someone that has something you want
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that also would take Brian Thomas Jr. Cause you're right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: The effort is there. Awesome. When you're talking about him,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: cause it doesn't look like he's not trying. We've seen
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: that before. Certainly. And, when Brian's out and think that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: why it's so frustrating and why I think they're still
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: trying to get him involved as much as possible. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this was probably the first game where his drops or,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you know, not making a play was costing them. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's why we saw what we saw in
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the second half.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: And, and the problem is guys like he wasn't like
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I dropping balls yesterday. Like Pete said, Parker Washington, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: like when, when it seems like you're kind of on
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: thin ice, right. And when it seems like they're trying to,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: to build your confidence up and give you some easy routes, um,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: some easy catches, and you can't get that done, well,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: then it's like, what else can we do? You can
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: tell they're trying to help him out, which you should.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: He's a first-round pick. His rookie year absolutely went insane.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: So I get the whole help, but at some point,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: if you're James Gladstone, if you're Liam Cohen, whoever, you
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: look at it and say, well, we got Josh Cameron.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: who's been pretty dependable so far this season, right? Who's
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: got pretty sure hands, not the same type of player, obviously,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: but we saw Parker Washington a little more yesterday, start
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: running those goal routes a little more. So like the
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: deep threat still might be there. Travis Hunter obviously has
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: some wheels. So his deep threat capabilities might be there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: I just, I wonder how long they hang on before
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: they go.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: You don't just get rid of them for the sake
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: of getting rid of them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. If you can get rid of
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: them in some.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Kind of package deal where you can get a.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Good pass rusher, you know, the Raiders also are looking
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: for young wide receivers who can run too. If you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: could package him with the picks and go get Crosby,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: if they're willing to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Do it, then maybe that's a possibility.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Or what about the commanders? He played with Jaden Daniels
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in college. They need receivers who can run. Get Deron
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Payne in a package with him. Because you're not going
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to get him straight up. That's not happening.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: And also, Pete, too, I'm not going to just trade
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: for draft picks either, I don't think, at this point. Like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: I need something in return right now.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: This team is ready to go compete for the Super Bowl.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: You need a body.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: You don't need draft picks. Exactly.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: You need a body. No question about it. You need
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to get a defensive line body, whether it's an interior
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: pass rusher, not a run stuffer, an interior pass rusher
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like Payne, who can push the pocket.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: And it would be a rental.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: He's got a big cap number, but it would be
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a rental because he's up for a new contract. Crosby,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you've got to go for it. This team is there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: They showed on Sunday. The Texans gave them their best shot,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and they were right there with them. And I don't
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: even think they played their best game.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Pete, let me ask you this. I mean, obviously, defensive
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: line has been a big talking point. How do you
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: feel about secondary? Do you think the secondary is where
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: it needs to be, or could you– if you have
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: a chance, upgrade that position, whether it's safety or whether
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: it's probably more corner, but we'll see.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and what happened with Antonio Johnson hurt his ankle,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I think on Sunday or something. He only played 25 plays.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So that that's a concern now too. Um, I don't
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: think Murray Murray might've had one of his worst games
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. I don't think he was very good. Um,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, Merriweather was pretty interesting on Sunday.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: He did some good things, um, He'll thump you. He
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: can come up and play the run. So I don't
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: know if safety would be anywhere you would go looking,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but corner? Because Travis Hunter's a number one corner. Jarion Jones,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: last couple weeks, hasn't been as good. It was a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: rough go for him on Sunday. Really rough go. But
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: more than that, I still believe if you can get
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that guy and constantly disrupt him up front, you're going
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: to make people on the back end look good. Look
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: at Seattle when they won a Super Bowl last year.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Rick Wolin, Josh Jobe, those were the corners. I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Witherspoon's a good player, but the other two, they're just
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: average as average can be, but they cover them up
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: by being able to get to the quarterback. Look at
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Reed Blankenship, and you saw him on Sunday before he
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: went out of the game. He's awful on the back end.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But he played in Philadelphia where they rushed the hell
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: out of the passer and won a Super Bowl and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: covered him up. You saw in this defense normally, not
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: on Sunday, but normally they rush the passer and they
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: cover him up. Again... Rushing the passer is the most
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: important thing. You know that, Austin, as well as anybody.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So I think they have to trade assets for somebody
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: who can push the pocket from the interior or on
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the other side, or an edge rusher, and you can
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: put Walker inside. Armstead was not good on Sunday. He
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: had a rough go of it. He got blocked. He's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: not pressuring the quarterback. And he played 45 snaps. He
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing that many. So they have to do something.
• 29:45
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• 29:47
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• 30:16
  Speaker 3: presented by Jet Home Loans. Pete, Kai, Austin here. We're
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: going to answer some fan questions because we've got some
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: good ones. So We did touch on this a little
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: bit earlier, but I want to know our exact thoughts,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I guess. So how much did the field conditions affect
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the pass rushers? I know everyone is getting on Josh
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and Trayvon, but Walker Little and CVL stopping Willie Anderson Jr.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: and Daniil Hunter seems fishy. Did they block them well, Pete,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: or was the field a little bit helpful?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: That was Walker Little's best game, and there's no doubt.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he was pretty good in the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: run game too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had their run game going early really well.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And I think Van Lannen is finally getting healthy. Now,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: he had helped. They chipped on Will Anderson a couple times.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: You know, the tight ends hit him. It actually blocked
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: him in some double-team situations as well. But all in all,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I thought Van Lannen started to look like Van Lannen again.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And we have no idea how bad he was hurt.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Did he rush back? Should
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: he have been on the field? Because the Van Lannen
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: we're seeing now is not the Van Lannen we saw
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: earlier in the season. So I think that's the biggest
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: difference there. And then as far as the field, it
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: probably impacted it some. I don't think there's any doubt
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: about that. Traction is hard to get when you're a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: pass rusher.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's hard to get to when you're
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: a corner. And, I mean, if we're being honest with ourselves,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I think Chris Rodriguez was probably, like, more suited for
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: that game even than Tootin was. Like, Chris Rodriguez, that
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: seemed like his game. Pete, wouldn't you say?
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Like, I mean.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: No?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: He's on the tootin' train.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: He's not going to.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Get any credit.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: And I understand you're on the tootin' train, but you
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: can't deny yesterday the effect that Chris Rodriguez Jr.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Had. He felt like he was rolling out of it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, but on the goal line, he should have scored. Sure.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: He ran into a back of an offensive lineman. He
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: should have scored a touchdown. That's what you don't get from–
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you don't get that other stuff from him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's the better running back. I'm saying
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: that game was tailored for– No, I know, but I.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Don't think he was the better running back on Sunday either.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: No disagreement.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: All right, back to pass rush.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: By the way, Tootin should have had a third touchdown.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: He should have.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, Pete, I'm sorry.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The interception that Trevor threw, if he takes the shot
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to Tootin on the side, it's a touchdown. Or if
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: he comes back to the middle of the field, he's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: got Parker Washington wide open in the middle of the field. Trevor,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that was a bad play by Trevor, bad read. I'm
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: not talking about the one he got called back either.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: That was a terrible call. Terrible holding call. But they also,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: they regrouped from that and got the third goal. And
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: on the third goal play, he throws the interception in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the end zone. He had Tootin' wide open on the side.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That's the frontside read. If you're going to read the frontside,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you look at the safety, you can't throw it, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: then you might have Tootin' right to the back to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the pylon. Or if you don't like it right away
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and the safety's cheating over on Myers, which he did,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: then you come back to the backside and you have
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington wide open.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: And I said every single week, I hope Coach Camp's
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: listening to this, you've got to start teaching when you
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: get blocked just to put your hand out like this,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: and it's going to be an automatic holding call apparently
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: in this league now. Because that's exactly what's happening.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That was awful. That wasn't even close to a hold.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: You know when the broadcast is on the Jaguar side,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: it's pretty bad.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: But I've said this how many weeks now in a row?
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: You put your arm out, it's going to be a
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: holding call. Oh, yeah, it's a holding call.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, he got blocked. That's all that was, was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: just a physical block. He knocked him to the ground,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and there's no hold there.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Run blocking is holding now, apparently.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That was a really bad call. That was one of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the worst ones. You know, the tripping call on Woody Marks,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: did he do that? You could look at that and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: say that might not have been purposeful.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It was more because he kicked his leg up, right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't purposeful, Pete, but that's still a trip. Like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: that's a definition of a trip.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you get knocked over and your legs
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: get run through, it's not a trip, though. You know
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was a trip.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one might have been a trip, but you've
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: got to really evaluate it and see. I thought the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: worst calls were that hold. I didn't think it was
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: interference on Travis Hunter. Of course not. I think they
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: were hand fighting. And then there was one other bad call,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I think, that they kind of called on. Oh, Jarrion Jones'
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: one interference penalty was questionable too.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the one he didn't get his head around, right?
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Is that what we're talking about?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: That one, I was a little more of like a
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: mix because once again, and they, they've made it perfectly clear,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: which I am not the, I don't disagree wholly with
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: this where if you don't turn your head around, Pete,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: like it's almost an automatic play. Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You know, what about the Nico Collins when he pushed
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: off on Travis Hunter? They didn't call that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I think that could have been an assault in some States,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: but you're in London. So, you know, you're going to
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: let it slide. It's all good.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Next question.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: All right, back to the pass rush. Watching Josh Heinz-Allen
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and Walker, it seems like they don't have any pass
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: rush moves. They just rely largely on pure strength. Is
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: the lack of moves one of the reasons they aren't
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: getting to the quarterback? Austin, what do you think?
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's not a bad call. If you
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: go back and watch the film yesterday, there was a
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: couple times they call it truck driving, where basically you
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: have your arms right down the middle, and it's kind
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: of like a bull rush, but there's no setup to it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: And yeah, you saw that a little bit yesterday. So
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I do think there needs to be more refinement. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: this is where Pete's Max Crosby thing comes into play.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Or you need a fast twitch guy. Because especially in
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: a game... And this is the thing, too. When you're
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: playing the head up on that tackle like that, it
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: is hard to generate a pass rush move. And I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: not trying to make up excuses or anything, but that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: the fact. Now, if you're on the outside, if you're
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker, then yeah, it has to be more than just...
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: The bull rush. It can be a speed to bull.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: It can be a chop. It can be a lot
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: of things. But you probably want to see a little
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: more of an arsenal going on.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not twitchy enough. I've said it all along.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I just don't see, you know. So when you're not twitchy,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: what do you rely on? You rely on your power.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And their power is smack dab into the middle of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the offensive line a lot of times. And don't get
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: me wrong. They're good football players, both of them. They're
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: just not great pass rushers, pure pass rushers. And that's
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: not to take away from Josh Heinz Allen's, what do
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you have, 17.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: That one year?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 17 and a half. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And I think got like three of them like at
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage when a guy went out of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: bounds or something. But he's a good player. He's a
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: really good player. But they're not twitchy. So if you
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: can get twitchy, go get it. The backups that we
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: expected to be decent players this year haven't been, by
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the way. Strigow, just a guy, right? He hasn't done much.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Green's been out.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: B.J. Green's been out, yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Dickerson on the interior, I think he's been a disappointment.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I raved about him early in the preseason, remember? He's
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: been a disappointment. So... When you go to your second unit,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you don't get any much out of that in terms
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: of pass rush. So you got to do something. And
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you're not getting anything from Armstead. You didn't get anything
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: from him on Sunday.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: All right, Pete. We know you want a twitchy defensive end,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: as mentioned, but do you need another CB1? I know
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Austin asked you about this, but is that even feasible
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. You paid Monteric Brown. You got a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: big contract for Jordan Lewis. There's no way. No, I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: don't think that's the case.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: First off, if you made a move like that, how
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: many of these general managers ever admit their mistakes six
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: weeks into the season like that?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: None. You're right. They're not doing that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: No.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Pete, is some of the problems on the back end
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: have to do with scheme? Like some players are better
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in zone and some players are better in man and
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: they get caught up with that a little bit? Or
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: do you feel like there's other stuff going on?
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: It took Travis Hunter adjusting to playing zone. He never
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: did it. That's not what he did. But I think
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: he's adjusted to it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I really do. But they don't communicate. They look like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: they've When you're not on the field together a lot,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you lack communication skills. And guys have been in and
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: out of that lineup. And you saw that on something.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Murray didn't play the week before, right? He had the concussion.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Well, he's back in. So you get him with the Luokan.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to communicate who's going to take that tight
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: end and who's taking the other one. They didn't communicate
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: it well. So that happens sometimes. So I think that's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a problem. I also think.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: When you.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: When you have a guy like Travis Hunter, and he
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: can take Nico Collins. He's not big like him, but
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: he can run with him and hang with him. He
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: did a good job when he was on him. He
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: gave up the one long pass, but other than that,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: he did a good job on him. Why not play
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: man over there and play the zones on the other side?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And you can roll coverage that way. Or you could
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: do it the other way if you wanted to. Take
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Hunter and put him on the second receiver and roll
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: all the coverage to Nico Collins.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Double him almost, yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's things you can do. But adjusting
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to zone defense takes communication and passing it off and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: not busting. And they bust too much. They bust a lot.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But they also get caught. They got caught on Sunday.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That was the first time they got caught. You saw
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that play when he ripped one right over the top
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of Ventrell Miller head when he's trying to get out
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: of the A-gap. You know, he can't– how can you
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: ask him to do that? That's a hard cover. You've
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: got to be a sprinter to get back.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: There and get into that area. Yeah, I mean, it's almost–
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: you're putting him in a loser situation. Because the ball
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: is coming out quick. You can't get there to affect
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: the quarterback, and obviously you can't get back fast enough
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: to try to deflect the ball. That was kind of
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: getting out game plan there, Pete. That's all that was.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, it's funny how the biggest play of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the game for them in that last drive was was
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: similar to what Jacksonville did to them on those throws
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to Tootin'. You run the receivers off, and then you
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: get the back out of the backfield, and he's by
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: himself for an easy pitch and catch. He scored a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: touchdown on those, and they scored. What did they get
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: on that play, 20 yards?
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Something like that. Yeah, and I don't even know whose
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: fault that was, Pete, because Branson was out there.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you whose fault it was. It was Aluokan's fault.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: It was Aluokan's fault?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Unless you're passing it off.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Which I didn't know if they were passing it off
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: or not. Because it looked like they were.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: If Jordan Lewis comes inside, which he runs with his receiver,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: if you're not passing that off, then a Luokan has
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to stay with the back. But it looked like.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Before the snap, you could see that play. Oluokun is
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: like pointing and yelling, and they were all discombobulated. So
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: they caught him in a good defense. But if he
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: passes it off, Lewis has to take him.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: If he doesn't pass it off, then he has to
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: take him.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's hard-ass to get out there and cover that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I just thought it looked like maybe he was pointing
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: to pass. I didn't know. We don't have that play,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: do we?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, but we can look for it
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: in the break.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Woody Marks with the big completion. That set up
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the field goal. That's what set up the game-winning field goal.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to take a quick break. We will
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: wrap things up as we get ready for the second
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• 41:46
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• 41:51
  Speaker 3: There's two, it's a tie. One of them, Kirk cousins
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: of the Las Vegas Raiders and Trevor Lawrence of your
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• 42:00
  Speaker 3: And again, I think some of getting lost in this
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: because CJ Stroud did play very, very well. Trevor Lawrence
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: didn't play too shabby himself, also throwing for over 300
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: yards and four touchdowns because those two touchdowns were passing
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: touchdowns as well. Trevor Lawrence doing, doing, doing what we
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: expect of him. And now it's a little bit of
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: a norm. It's not a surprise. It's just like, Oh yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Trevor doing Trevor thing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: It's kind of an afterthought. And listen, shout out to
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• 42:29
  Speaker 5: the NFL right now and passing touchdowns is, is a
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: little wild to me.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Trevor's actually been playing really good football. I mean,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: he's confident and, Again, I said this earlier. I think
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: there were some big plays left on the field. The
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: long throw to.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: On the sideline. By the way, Justice News just came out.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Devontae Adams out six to ten weeks. Brian Thomas, line one.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, line one.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: What's the injury, Pete?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: GM Pete's got it on lock. It was a knee injury.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, not good.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But when Parker Washington... ran the deep over at
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: late in the game and he threw it to the sideline.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: He should have caught that. And I thought he had
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: a chance for the one in the end zone if
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: he dove. And then there was one in the middle
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of the field he dropped.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Pete, this jumped out to me because when I looked
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: at the box, because I, yeah, I was like, 11 targets, right?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: 11 targets, only four catches on 11 targets. Yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: And they're not all drops, but like that's strange for Parker.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yep. And again, if you're a number one wide receiver,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: which he is.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: And if you're a true number one wide receiver and
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you want to be paid like that, that's the ball.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: And we still don't know in terms of that punt
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: team debacle. Where it was too many men?
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I was trying to watch it on the All-22. Could
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you tell us?
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter looked like he was the extra man.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So he was the extra man, but the way that
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen explained it post-game was that they called it
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: punt safe and they were going to.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: You're supposed to stay on the field.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Everybody stays on the field. But I also think when
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I re-watched it, it seemed like A, Gardick was running off,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and B, it seemed like... Antonio Johnson was hurt again
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: and was trying to get off. So I don't know
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: if there's confusion there.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't know if it was Parker's responsibility, though, because
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Travis is already on the field. So like Travis was
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: close to the sideline. So he quick ran off. But
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: now I'm watching it back. I'm not sure if it's
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: actually his responsibility.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And that was a big play because that was for
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: that drive.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: And they got a touchdown after that.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And so I agree with you. That was maybe something
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: we'll get further clarification on later.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But you're right, though. 11 targets and four catches, that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: not a good ratio.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Doesn't that stand out to you? It felt weird watching it,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: but then to actually see that many, only four catches
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: on 11 targets, I was surprised by that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: How many big games has he had this year?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Parker?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Parker?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Two?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Two, three?
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I think three, right?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Well, because all those blowout wins was everybody was playing well.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of hard to spread the love games.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Huge. The first game, what, he had four catches?
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: That was when four different people had touchdowns, right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had a touchdown.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: The two blowout wins are always spread the ball around wins.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: What about.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And then he got shut out in Denver, didn't he not?
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: They really game-planned for him really well.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: He had one catch in Denver, didn't he?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: One catch in Denver. They really game-planned for him in Denver,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and then I don't remember.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: What he did in Cincinnati. And then he had four
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: for 64 yesterday.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I don't remember what he did in Cincinnati.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: He didn't have much in Cincinnati either. So he's had
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: two big games. One really big one against the Eagles.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: But he's a great player. Don't get me wrong. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I think they need to pay him. And every time
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: he catches a ball, everybody goes, oh, the value goes up.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: The money goes up. Well, do you give it back
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: when he drops balls and doesn't make the plays late
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: in the game?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: No, probably not.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Probably not, no.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Look, so, again, he's a great player, and he's made
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: himself into a terrific player, and he's going to get
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: paid a lot of money. But he's got to make
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: those plays in the fourth quarter when you're with the
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: game on the line. And, you know, that shot, Trevor
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: threw a great ball on that play. He's got to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: catch that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Pete, I mean, here's the thing. Like, he's definitely
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: got to make those catches because we consider him the
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: wide receiver one. And just because he dropped them doesn't
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: mean he's not a wide receiver one still. So I
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: still think he's going to make wide receiver one money.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think the price is going to go down
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: now or even really go up. Listen, he's a wide
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: receiver one. He's your go-to guy on the offense, and
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: I think he gets paid accordingly.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: But what's accordingly?
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, the wide receiver ones are getting big, big money.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: He's not that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's Chris Olave? Do you think he's
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Chris Olave?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: No. No.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: But in the ballpark.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's Smith and Jigba?
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: He's not Jefferson. He's not Chase.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: I think he's Zay Flowers, and I think he's comparable
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: to a lot of Zay Flowers.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: We're going to ponder over the break. We'll come back
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: with an exact number for you on the second. Where's
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: happy hour on the digital network? Welcome back into happy hour.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: The second hour presented by Mr. Chubby swings before the game,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: after the game and during the game, Kai, Pete and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Austin are here time for the opening drive presented by
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: target zero. Let's get everyone home safely. We talked about
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: it off the top of the hour, but as frustrating
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: as the result of this game was, it was really,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: it was a quality AFC South matchup. I think we
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: are all upset a little bit. It wasn't in Jacksonville,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: but We really got something good to watch in that game.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: High scoring, back and forth, win it on the final
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: play of the game with a field goal. Didn't go
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars way, but Jaguars offense looked pretty good. And
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: they were able to, I will say, I did have
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: some questions going down the stretch. Pete, your thoughts. They
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: got away from the run late. Was that just because
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: of the flow of the game at that point? They
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: really didn't try to run and they had so much
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: success early.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: You mean when they got the ball back late?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they saw the time on the clock
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and figured, if we're going to score a touchdown, you
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: got to go. Because as it turned out, how much
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: time was left when they kicked that field goal? And
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: they didn't run the ball.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Was it two? Or less than two?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Roughly two minutes, a little under two, wasn't it?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: So you're thinking, your thought process is, if we're going
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: to go get a touchdown and win this, we got
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: And they did. So I had no problem with the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: way they played that. Other than I would have considered
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: going for it because of the flow of the game.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I just would have.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I was surprised.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And that's not normally what I do. You guys know that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in taking the points. But I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: think you could have considered it there.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Just in terms of Cohen's style, I was a little surprised.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I think everybody can have their opinion on it or not.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you, Pete. At the flow of
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: the game, I was a bit surprised by it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Well, usually when you make those decisions, you spin it forward.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And so if you kick that, you're tying it to
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: do what? To go to overtime, basically, in the best-case scenario.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: So that's probably... And I see where he fought himself.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: On that one because it was a tough decision.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. But I think ultimately, I think I would have
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: gone for it. And then taking my chances and maybe
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: getting a stop and getting the ball back. And you
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: would have had to go get a field goal anyways.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: But the third down play was the one that bothered
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: me a little bit. I didn't like the third down call.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it almost looked like you were playing to
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: get the artists to kick the field goal rather than
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: try and get the first down. Didn't you feel that way?
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: I thought it was going to be kicked the whole time.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: And then you see him on the sidelines. It's like, oh,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: he's thinking about it. And then they bring out Cam Little.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It was interesting. I want to get to some more
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of the fan questions because we ran a little long,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: so I want to get back to them. But what
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: is the plan moving forward with BTJ? We talked about, yeah,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: including him in a package, but if that doesn't come
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to fruition, how do you handle this going forward, Pete?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Because it's a delicate balance. You always talk about the
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: wide receiver personalities, but how do you deal with something
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: like this?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Well, if he's still on the roster, which he is now,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I still think he's part of the plan. And you've
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: got to use him. You can't count on Travis Hunter
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: doing what he did every day. So I do think
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the field-stretching threat is there. And let's just say he
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: had caught the pass. He should have caught it. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: think there was a little... He stopped. Trevor thought he
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: was inside. Then he kind of panicked and he dropped it. Remember?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I think he stopped on that route.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: But.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I still think you've got to use him.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: You can't just go sit him on the sideline and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: not play him like he did in the second half.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I think he's got to be part of the equation.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, agreed. I think he's... And this is
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: where it comes from. It comes from the good that
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: we've seen from him, right? It would be one thing
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: if we haven't seen anything good his rookie year, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: it's like, okay, well, whatever. We're over it. Like, no,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: because we have seen good. So, I mean, obviously, you
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: integrate Josh Cameron more, give him more reps because he's
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: earned them. And with this team, it doesn't matter where
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: you're drafted, how much they're paying you. Like, if you
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: earn your reps, you earn your reps. Cameron's earned his reps.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: So.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: You use Brian Thomas Jr. when you have some sort
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: of capacity, and knock on wood, but injuries can happen
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: in the NFL, and wide receivers get hurt all the time. So,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, if the worst-case scenario is, once again, knock
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: on wood, but one of your receivers gets hurt, well,
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: then you've got to plug and play Brian Thomas Jr.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the other one. Remember all summer they talked
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: about possibly trading Walker Little for picks or for somebody, remember? Well,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: they didn't. And they're happy today that they didn't.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that. So you're right. Injuries happen.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: You might need Brian Thomas. And if your team's good,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: go for it. And if you're going to go for it,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: if he's part of a package where you give up
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: picks and something to go get an elite pass rusher,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: that's okay. But just to trade him for the sake
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: of trading him for some fourth round pick or third
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: round pick or whatever, second round pick even. I don't
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: think this team is ready to do that. You're ready
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: to win now. You can win. You can win it
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: all this year. Do everything you can to win it all.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Pete, you know, it's wild. During the break, I was
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: talking to Kai. You remember the conversations that we had
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: in training camp talking about how, and you kind of
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: led this a little bit, where if Travis Hunter comes in,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: who's coming off? Because, you know, we just don't know
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: who to take off. Was it going to be Parker
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: Washington in the slot? You put Travis Hunter in. Was
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: it going to be Jacoby Myers who you just paid?
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Or was it going to be Brian Thomas Jr., the
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: deep threat? I mean, I think we're all sitting here
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: as a collective now thinking that's the easiest answer ever.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: And it's sad that it took six weeks and all
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: of a sudden we've completely changed our minds. But it's
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: the fact of the matter. It's, you know, we got
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: so much more. It felt like we're Travis Hunter out
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: there than with Brian Thomas Jr.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yesterday. Also, they loved Cameron in the block in the
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: run game. I mean, that's what he's– when he's on
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: the field, don't you think they're going to run the football?
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of the time, unless he's split out,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he's going to be an in-line run ball.
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a run blocker. It's going to
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: be a slant for like an extra five, six yards
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: after contact.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: That's something that stood out yesterday too, by the way,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: on the tape is Brenton Strange is normally a really
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: good blocker.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: He had some problems on Sunday.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Like when they use him on the move in those
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: split zones when he comes down the line, he got
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: blown up a couple times. And the big play runs
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: were there. That's not like him usually either.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: And once again, I'm probably getting lambasted on social media
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: for talking about the field too much, but I do
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: think it had something to do with the field. Not
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: saying it's everything because both teams played on it equally,
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: but I do think that they were thrown off a
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: little bit in terms of those field conditions.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Just out of character, so you're saying based on that
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: as opposed to him not playing well.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, Miller fell down on a play once where
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: he looked like he was trying to make a change
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: of direction on there, and he couldn't. He slipped.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Parker slid out of bounds on one of those catches
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: on the sideline, too.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: The ref tore everything in his knee.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Also true. And he only jumped three inches off the ground.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, dude, and I felt so bad because he
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: tried to play it off, too, and then.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. But, Austin— If the field is an issue
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and Strange is coming down to blast the defensive end
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: who has no traction because he's having a hard time
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: rushing the passer and running too, somebody's.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: Got to argue.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: You can't play the field for both of them.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: No, I hear you, man. But if you go back
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: and watch the footwork, I just felt like it was–
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: I thought Strange played a little uncharacteristic yesterday in terms
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: of the run game. And honestly, in terms of the
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: most consistent thing, I feel like him and his run blocking–
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Has been that all season.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't as good.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was the preparation of being in London for
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: next year. I don't know, man. But there was a
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: couple of players that just didn't really look like themselves yesterday.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Him and who else?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Let's hear the other names.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think we talked about the Josh
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Hines-Allen run play where he just throws down. That was weird.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: That's not like him at all.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: And I thought Armstead was not good at all. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: thought he had problems.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Pete, are those lack of effort things? Is that scheme?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: What's happening?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Not for Strange.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: No. What about the defense?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Look, do you want to call anybody? Look, Josh Hines-Allen,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: normally that play goes away and you have no chance
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to be a part of it. I see that. And
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you play defensive end. You've played that play before. Yeah.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And you've kind of gone around that guy and you've
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: eased up. Be honest, Austin. Yeah, of course.
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: But Pete... I was never a captain either. I was
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: never the leader of a franchise. And I told Kyle
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: this during the break. It reminded me, and it's not
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: to that extent, but it's the same realm. Remember Chris
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Jones last year with that Trevor Lawrence scramble or whatever?
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: And Chris Jones and the Kansas City Chiefs, and he
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: was just walking. Now, Josh Hanzel wasn't walking, but I
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: guarantee they put on that film and go, is that
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: maximum effort?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Probably not. They'll call him out on that one, I think.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Rightfully so. And I guarantee you... If he was being
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: honest and he'd sit down and he'd probably tell you,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I messed up on that play. Of course. I should
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: have gone full bore.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Of course. And I think that's what a great leader
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: does is that you admit even, hey, I'm a captain.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I– listen, I thought I was going to go
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: on the inside. I was going to– it is what
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: it is, right? But like it wasn't a fatigue issue
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: because that was like the 6 or 7 play and
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: they had the pass interference call to give him some breath.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Then they also had the Poya Luke and call like
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: what interception or whatever that got called.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So like they had time to rest between that.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: So it's, it's not a fatigue issue. Like we're guys
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: are just tired and gassed.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Like I can also, he could also say, well, Jorian
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: makes the tackle like he's supposed to.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: I don't even have to be a part of the equation.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: True.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Let's give some credit to some, I want to go
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: a little, we'll go a little positive for a couple
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: of minutes here. Uh, because I haven't talked about this yet.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And it was one of my favorite plays of the day.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: And then Nate Bork at your touchdown, uh, just going
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: up and grabbing it. And I know, uh, the consensus
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: boards will say what they say, but it was a
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: good catch. We can all agree on that. It was
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: a great, kind of like a little alley of pooping
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: over the top, which is why I enjoyed it so much, but,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: and you never expect it when it goes that way.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: The tight ends.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the Tim Tebow influence.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: The jump pass. No, it is the Tim Tebow jump pass. Um, yeah,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, great catch, great extension. Um, In terms of
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: first touchdowns, I mean, does it get any better than
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: that for a tight end?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Pretty cool.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: It's really cool.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And he had a catch in the middle of the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: field in the opening drive, remember? I think it was
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the opening drive or the second drive where he caught
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the ball in the middle of the field. And he's
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a good blocker. He's a good player. All the people
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: who ripped the Jaguars for taking that guy were wrong.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: He's going to be a really good tight end in
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: this league.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: It's such an awkward thing too, Kai, because like, you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: I remember like my first quarterback sack, right? And we lost.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: So you're bummed because you just lost your rival.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so cool, but now he lost.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, you're texting your friends like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: you got to see that catch because I was pretty sick.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm happy for him, man.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: But if you adhere to the rule of life, what's
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: good for me is good for me, you're happy you
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: caught that touchdown. True.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: And it'll better him as things go along, I think,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: He's a good blocker, too, by the way.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: He's doing a good job.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Basial Tootin, Tootin Train, time for us to give
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: him some credit. He had a great day. Two touchdowns,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: as mentioned, could have had many more. I will not
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: support this touchdown celebration because it creeps me out and
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I don't like it, but it was funny.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that one. Which one are you talking about?
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: It's the meme of the, like.
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: From my understanding it's like rumple stilts compete it's like
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: a little short elf kind of dude.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Elf gremlin person yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: And he does a little dance so yep here break
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: this down real quick yeah and listen self-awareness 10 out
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: of 10 because i was waiting for this celebration.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: To happen so i've got all the running backs in on.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: It yeah and i wish travis hunter would have did
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: it because it They gift him on it too, but.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Well, Travis has too many dances he had to get to,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: so it didn't quite work.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: That's a great play design, by the way, because you
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: could look at... You could see Morris is picking people
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: off left and right. It's a pick. That's what it is.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: The one touchdown he scored on the one longer.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: One, that one.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, the long run, or catch and run.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: The long catch.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: That one... They actually let the defensive end go up
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: the field, and they bring the tackle around, and he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: gets a block on that. I love that design. That
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: was cool, the way they ran that play. What did
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: he end up with, Tootin, in terms of rushing and receiving?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: He had rushing, 12 attempts, 39 yards, so 3.3 average.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Not enough.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Well, Chris Rodriguez had 11 attempts, 55 yards.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, so let's go ahead and just marinate that for
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: a second. What did Tootin have again?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: 11 attempts.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: 55 yards. Five yards to carry there.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Is that good or is that okay?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I think that's good.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but those were– Get off me. Get off me.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Horrible.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: Get him off the field, Pete.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: A big boy run early.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: That was a good run, but that was blocked. So
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: look at that hole.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good block right there. That's a good
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: block right there.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Yeah, he made one guy miss. One. He
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: didn't make a miss.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: He ran through.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: He ran through a couple tackles there.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: Two, three.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: He'll call three. Yeah, that's five points. There's another one.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: One, two.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: What was that? Eight yards?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Look at that hole from behind. Look at that hole.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: That should have been a bigger gain right there. By
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the way, they both missed runs, I thought, yesterday.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: I could just watch this all day.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: You know that?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: I thought they both missed some runs.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: They were available.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: Hang on, I'm just trying to watch a 5.5 yards
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: per average. Yeah, that's not bad. We'll take that. I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: don't know, Pete. Like, I mean, and once again, I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: think it's a nice contrast, right? Because you have the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: big playmaking ability of obviously Tuden, but then once again,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: to quote Seinfeld, his mother was a mutter. His father
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: was a mutter. This was a mutter type of game.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: Like this was.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Is this the goal line run he runs into the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: back of the guy? No, not that one. The next one.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: He's on the goal line. He runs into the back
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: of the guy.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Let's watch this one here in behind.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: We'll still get some yards.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Double spin.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Triple spin.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Physical, Pete. It's physical.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: He's physical, but he runs the contact. The back isn't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: supposed to run the contact. I mean, he's good for
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: what he is.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: 5.5 yards to contact. Don't get me wrong.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. But when he was on the goal. In two
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: of the biggest series that this team has had inside
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the five-yard line this season.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. He's not.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's right in the end zone.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Two of the biggest series that they've had.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Where they didn't score touchdowns inside the five-yard line. One
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: was at Denver. How'd that series start?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: With the Rodriguez getting dumped for two-yard loss.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: They didn't score a touchdown there. They put that game away.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: It's 17-3 if they score there.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Now, was there the Tootin' End Around that kind of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: got stuffed front and fourth down, or did I just
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: make that up?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't in that game.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: No, not that game. I'm saying wasn't there like a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: goal line situation where they ran Tootin' on the outside?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Was it not Philly? Did I just see that or not?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: Or was that not Tootin'? Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I'm saying they started the series with Rodriguez on the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: field getting a carry.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: Sure, okay, gotcha.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They started the series Sunday with Rodriguez on the field
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: getting a carry. Tootin' did score on the next play.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: It was called back. Third down, Trevor scrambled, remember? I mean,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: on second down, Trevor scrambled. Then on third down, he
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: threw the interception. Okay. Look, Rodriguez is a good physical back,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't run the daylight. He runs the contact.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: And that's fine, Pete. I think yesterday in that game,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: in those conditions with that field, I felt like you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: needed more of a physical style running back than you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: did of like the white man.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Austin, you sound like the field was full of mud.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Pete. That's what it looked like. I mean, they were
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: sliding all over the place.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Was there any toot and run where it was like, oh,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: this one's going to be gone? Yesterday, like, did you
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: watch any toon run and be like, OK, well, this
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: is I.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Thought he missed.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you. I thought he missed a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: couple of holes yesterday, too.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I thought he had some back. And I say this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, I kind of watch backs and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I got to get this out of my head with
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Fred Taylor in my head. And the reason I do that,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: like if you got a back, like where they're washing
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: down the front side and you see that little crease
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: on the backside, to me, it's like put the foot
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in the ground and go to the backside.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, easier said than done.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Except for Fred Taylor would have done.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Sure, sure, yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: And so I'm spoiled that way from years and years.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Of watching Fred. I don't know anybody's Fred Taylor.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And these guys aren't Fred. There are few and far
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: between that are Fred Taylor. So I get it. I understand.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I'm probably overly critical of both running backs, the way
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: they run sometimes. And same with HN when he was
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: here and whoever else was here because Fred was so special.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: And you know that. Of course. Him on the backside. Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: No, and I absolutely know that, man. And granted, it
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: was a little before my time, but I remember growing
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: up watching him and just what he meant. My only point,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: and yes, I think obviously Tootin's the much better running back.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: But I just think in that situation against that team,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: against those conditions, I thought that Rodriguez was the better back.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because on the goal line, they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: always put Rodriguez in down there when they get down there.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: And it kind of brings me back to when Coughlin
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: used to take out Fred on the goal line and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: put in James Stewart or Stacy Mack or somebody. There
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: was no need for it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: I don't really.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Think there's a need for it for this team either.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: So here's the thing, Pete, and I'll give you your
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: flowers there. I feel like when it's the goal line
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: and you have Chris Rodriguez in, well, what are we
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: worried about? Are you worried about, like, a toss sweep
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: or a toss, you know, outsides, anything like that? Absolutely not, right?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Because he doesn't have the legs to get out there
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: and the speed to get out there. So what are
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: you worried about with Rodriguez? When he's in the backfield.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Right up the middle.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Up the middle. So if I'm a defensive coordinator, what
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: am I doing? I'm going to move everybody down. I'm
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: not really worried about the pass game. He's got, what,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: one reception this year?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, so I'm probably going to move everybody down,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: linebackers in a little bit and say, we're not worried
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: about the pass game. We're not worried about a wheel route.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: We're worried about stopping the middle of the line. So
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: I do agree with you there. But if you're on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: the 30-yard line, 40-yard line, your own 34-yard line, and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: you want five, six yards in that game yesterday, I'm
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: all for it.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Bottom end.
• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:05
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• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: we are going to talk, because it is the bye week,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: about bye week changes. Pete, I know you don't change
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: anything when they're winning. They've lost now, so... and they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: have a week off to implement any changes they might make.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: So I think we know what you would prefer they
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: do in terms of making a trade or adding to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: the roster. But if you were just going to change
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: what we have here now, is there anything you would
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: want to change right now?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Cleveland has kind of resurrected himself the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: last two weeks. He's actually been pretty good.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: He's come back to life.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he had that little lull there where he
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't very good. The last couple weeks he's been good.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: So I would– I would keep him in the lineup.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: So on the offensive line, the only change I would
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: consider would be changing the center to get more physical
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: in the run game. That's it. That's the only one.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead, Bitar.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: You, Austin?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, but once again, and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: whether it's the field or not, it doesn't really matter. Like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: how do you justify a change on the offensive line
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: when you let one of the best defensive units in football–
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: not really even come close to Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: And I think Haines, he's big in the protections and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: calling them out and everything. And he used to.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Blitz too, Pete, by the way, too. D'Amico Ryan's had
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: a game plan where he's trying to blitz and get
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: home a couple times. And they did a good job
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: of shoring that up. So, I mean, it's.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: Hard to justify. For now, he'd probably keep it as
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: On the offense.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: You keep the wide receiver room as is. I know
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: we talked about if Brian stays, keeping Brian Thomas Jr. involved,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: but what does that look like now?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, who starts?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: If you have three receivers on the field, who starts?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Travis isn't starting at receiver. No, he's not. I still
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: think it's those three.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: So it's those three right now, but the question would be,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: do you start Josh Cameron over him?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: When did they do that? Patriots game? Did they come
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: out with Josh Cameron?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: They started using him a little more?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: They, like, that first couple drives, they have Josh Cameron
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: in a bunch, and we were kind of wondering what
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: they were doing there, and then they brought BTJ back
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: into the mix.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: Because he had the first touchdown.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: But Cameron's a good physical receiver, but he's not giving
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you the juice down the field. You know what I mean?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: He's not a field stretcher.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: But can Parker Washington be that field stretcher, Pete? Because
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: they tried to use that a couple times yesterday.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, a couple of those routes where Parker
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Washington ran those routes they were two receiver routes where
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: they max protected yeah yeah so no i don't know
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: i think you got to keep brian thomas involved if
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: he's on the roster if you can get something for
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: him and by the way davante adams was a torn
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: ham or ruptured hamstring.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Whoo Ruptured is not.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Strain is like, all right.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Six to ten weeks.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: And those can linger, too.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: That sounds optimistic.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: With his age.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing. When I talked about trading
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: with the Rams, maybe you look for one of their
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: defensive linemen. Well, two of those guys got hurt, too,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: because Kobe Turner and Puna Ford both got hurt.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: So you got problems. And so I don't think they can.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, what are you going to get? You're not
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: trading Brian Thomas for draft pick.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: Cause it's not going to be a first, obviously. So like,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: what are we talking about then?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: So, so no changes on offense other.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Than, well, you want to get the ball more. I'd imagine.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that I want to, I want to get the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: ball more, but also they've been using a lot of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: those tight ends. And I know Liam loves scheming out
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: of that. He does a great job with it, but
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: at some point I'd like to see more three receivers
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: on the field at one time operating in a little rhythm.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: Like, Go, go, go.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Because Trevor can play– when Trevor plays fast, I think
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: he plays well.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: He plays great fast.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I think he plays best when he's working, operating quickly
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: and able to kind of feel the flow of the game.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: And I feel like they've given– they've put enough trust
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: in him now he should be able– be allowed to
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: do that more.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: And we'll see if Tootin going forward can be like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: that every– you know, the third down back as well.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Because when he has the ball in his hands, good
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: things happen. So I wonder if you start implementing a
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: little more in terms of you know, giving him a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: couple more targets in the receiving game.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: By the way, I think Liam Cohn is already, this year,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: he's one of the better play callers in this league.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I really believe that.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: I hated the play call.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: To Allen on third down on the opening drive. What
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: the hell was that? I don't know.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Didn't work, so it wasn't good.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: But what was it going to do? It was a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: terrible call. I don't know what you're doing. And by
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the way, why is he there? Why are you throwing
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: to him? You got guys, you got, Tootin's got more juice.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, Allen's a good blocker, pass protector. He's a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: tough kid, but if you're going to throw that, don't
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: you throw it? Clearly, you threw it to him twice
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: further down the line.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, is it a reward for his tackle in
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: the Eagles game? I mean, remember that tackle that he had?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: Is that Liam Cohen going, hey, man, we see you?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: Here you go. Here's some ops, as Liam Cohen would say?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: But that was not a– I didn't like that play
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: call at all.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Did you? No.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: It didn't work, so I didn't like it.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: No, but even if it– it just doesn't– to me
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: it was just like it's safe. We're going to get
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: out of here and punt the ball. It just didn't–
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that call, and I didn't like the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: third down call before the field goal to tie the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: game up. I didn't like that one either.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Should have been more of a Chris Rodriguez up the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: middle kind of run, but it's all right.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Relentless.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: They would have lost by 20 if they did that. Okay.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: If you don't make any additions to this defense, what
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: do you want to change and how do you utilize
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: what you have more effectively? Was it a one-off in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: this game or do you think, I know you talked about.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: No, I think the defense has kind of been a
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: little bit of a fraud the whole year, I'll be
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: honest with you. I mean, fraud's a little hard.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: But I don't think they've been as.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Good as the numbers.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair. I mean, look at all the explosives
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: in the past game. Like, Up until that Texans game,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: they gave up, what, 14 points a game, which is outstanding. Now,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: some of that is shaded with the fact that you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: gave up a lot of explosives in the past game,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: and once again, that got exposed against the Texans. I mean,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: if you're not going to change personnel, because once again,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: the secondary is a little banged up right now, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: I'm sure when, like, Monteric Brown's coming back and everything.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would, and it's not going to happen
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: because I understand the emphasis on stopping the run, but
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: I would take a look at in terms of that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: 4-I that they're doing. And they did it last year
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: towards the end of the year, and it paid dividends
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: in stopping the run. Everyone wants to talk about how
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: in that Bills game, they couldn't get home to Josh Allen.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: They had breakdowns in coverage. But what we don't want
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: to talk about is how they shut James Cook down
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: for almost four quarters and limited him to three-point yards
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: a game and really made him one-dimensional. And a lot
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: of that had to do with that four-eye of Trayvon
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: Walker last year and stopping the run. So that's their identity.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: That's who they are. And it's not all the time, Pete.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: It's those base looks that you see, that four-eye thing.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: But I would maybe take a look at getting the guy.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: It's weird, though, Austin, is that usually when you stop
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: the run, it translates to pass rush success because you
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: have teams in third long.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: And that's not the case with this group.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: Are you sure about that, though, Pete? Because– Well, that's right.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: They get a lot of pressures.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Well, let's– I mean, if we want to play that game,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: the Denver Broncos have how many sacks right now in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: the league?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: 18.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: That's tied for third. Where are they at stopping the run?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: They're dead last.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: They got also twitchy pass.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: It all comes down.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: To the twitch. That's fine. Let's talk about the Cincinnati
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: Bengals then. They're 17th. I'm sorry. They have 17 total
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: sacks right now, which it's hard to believe.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: But they have 17 total sacks right now. And they've
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: only played in five games. Where are they at stopping
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: the run? 23rd, 123 yards per game, which is good
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: for 23rd.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's just you get sacks because I'm
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: saying usually if you stop the run, you get sacks.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, I got it.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for example, you know that. As a defensive player,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you'd rather see a team in third long than in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: third and two.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: Of course, yeah, but I think.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: So who are the top-ranked run defenses right now?
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have the— Once upon a time,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: it was— I mean, if you.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Look at it, the top-ranked run defense is in how
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: they're sacking.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: All right, so top-ranked run defense is still the Jaguars.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: Behind them is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Do you know
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: how many sacks they have?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of sacks.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: 11.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: None.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Then you have the Texans, which is crazy to me.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: Then obviously 18 sacks, which is that they're doing their thing.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: Next is the Falcons at 83.2 yards per game, and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: that's good for 15. They have a lot of sacks.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: They have 15 sacks. And then the Vikings, 86.6 yards
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: a game in the run, 17 sacks. And then right
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: after that, who arguably might be the best team in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: the NFL right now, is the Kansas City Chiefs who
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: give up 88.8 yards per run. I'm sorry, per game
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: in terms of the rush. And you know how many
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: sacks they have? Again, it's one less game.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Eight, I think, or nine, right? Yeah.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: But again, though, here's the other thing about the Jaguars'
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: defensive numbers. The Eagles' offense stinks. The Browns' offense stinks.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: They haven't played a lot of dynamic offenses, yeah. Right?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: And then Denver's offense stinks.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: That's three.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: The other— Bengals?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Bengals' offense is pretty good.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: Patriots?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Pretty good now.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Depending on the week.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: And then the Browns' offense kind of picked it up
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: a little bit, too, after that Jaguars game.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had 108 yards of total offense after three
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: quarters yesterday.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, yeah. Did they win by the way? They won,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: didn't they?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they won. They're 4-2. Yeah, that's crazy. Where did,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: like the Patriots offense the last three weeks has been
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: very good. But up until then, it hadn't been very good.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: So, I don't know.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Look, the Jaguars defense is overachieved. Let me just say that.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: For what they are. Would you change cornerback? What would
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: you do at corner?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Well, once again, do we know, is Brown... coming back
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: he's not healthy he didn't he's.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Got a hamstring which soft tissue injury i feel like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: lingers with dbs and he'll have the bi-week so that's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: helpful some of what's getting lost in this is i
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: know people are kind of calling out jari and jones
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: but jordan lewis a little bit too has been caught
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: at least.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: He jumped he jumped the route yesterday yeah just take
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: it into.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: The back so it's not just one person it's it's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: clearly a couple different people so and i don't know
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: if this is maybe something where, like I'm saying, like
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: they look back and they want to use Travis differently
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: and they want to scheme it up differently and put
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: people in different positions. Cause maybe that's part of it,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: but communications. Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: But up until London games, Jorian Jones was actually pretty good.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: It's just the last couple of weeks. He hasn't been
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: as good. If you had to say going into the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: buy and we'll do more, maybe we'll do more of
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: this next week, but who is, who is the best
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: defensive player on a team right now?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we know that answer. It's the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: unsung hero, is it not?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: Devon Hamilton.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're the DM fan club.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: We are the DM fan club.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: Or is it Ventrell Miller?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say, Ventrell by per all
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: the stats all the time, we're always saying he's the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: best grade.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: He's been really good, by the way. He's been really good.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: He has been. And he punched the ball. I don't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: know if they keep stats about that.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: It's one of those two. And here's– when we talk
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: about pass rush, I just want to– can we put the– what–
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: How many sacks did Josh Hines-Allen and Trayvon Walker have combined? Three?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Three just from the Browns game, right? Or no, Trayvon
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: has an extra one from then. Hold on.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that number.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Well, because we've got to know the number because you
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: said they were going to have 28.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Pete, Pete.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Hey, man. It's the bye week.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to have to walk down with that. There
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: he goes.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to have to have a little chit-chat.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: So what do we do? We need like what? What
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: do we average? Like three a game?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: We've got to average three a game a piece? I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: think they have three. I think they have three or four.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: It's a marathon, not a sprint, Pete.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: Well, you better get.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Your marathon in.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a movie in the back half
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: of the season if they have it.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Many. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Let's see. Josh has one and a half. Trayvon has two.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, so three and a half after six games.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: And I'm due for what now?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: You said 28? It was 28. It might have even
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: been 30.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: Relax, my man. I think it was 28.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: I'll check my notes.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: I think it was 28.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: But I think it might have been 28.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: If it's 30, you might as well forget that one.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: But 28, they would need what they have. So they
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: have three and a half between them. So they would
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: need 20. To break your number, they'd have to get
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: 25 sacks in the last 11 games.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Sounds like a run to me.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: No, 12 games.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: Sounds like a run to me.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: You don't think that's happening?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: Sounds like a run to me. Has he watched the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Colts lately?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: You know how it might happen?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: How's that?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: If they go get Crosby. I know he might get
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: their sacks. That would free him up, though. Wouldn't it
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: free him up for one-on-ones?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: You're going to bump down Trayvon, then?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Okay. All right. Yes.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to see those contracts all added up
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: on this salary cap.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you put a Lombardi on it, would
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: it be worth it?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: No, well, a Lombardi is always worth it, man.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: It's always worth it for a Lombardi. It doesn't matter.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can sell your soul for a Lombardi.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. When we return, we're going to look at some
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: trade possibilities. All that coming up on Happy Hour, Jaguar's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: Rolling right to Stroud. Fires back in.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, intercepted! He threw it into the back of the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: end zone. It was picked off. Who do you think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: got it? Travis Hunter got it.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, interception. That's our call of the game from
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Frank Frangie. Brought to you by Coil Fencing. Since 1927,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: we've been around the block and fenced it too. Unfortunately,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: we have some very pretty angles of that interception because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: you didn't see it on the broadcast if you were
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: watching in real time because the cameraman got faked out.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: A little bit. That was terrible.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: What was going on?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously, I travel with the team, so I normally don't
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: watch the London games. I stayed home this time, and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: it was both broadcasts were very difficult to watch. I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: don't know what the staffing on that is, but they
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: shoot really tight angles. And obviously on that play, on
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: the interception, completely faked out the camera guy because he
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: was going the whole other way. It wasn't even in screen,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: so we didn't even see it until they got there.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: And then they were very slow with the replays as well.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: So it was just, I mean, great play. It was
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: great when I actually saw it. And that was like
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: the back-to-back plays the camera guy got faked out.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: The London trip is over. They're back home. And I'm
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: excited to see the other broadcasts going forward. But this
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: was a really cool play. And I would have liked
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: to see it live. But the replay does justice for.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: It, too.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Pretty great. And CJ Stroud's reaction as well, because Pete,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I think you mentioned it off the top. Hunter stumbled
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit and then got back into it. And
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: I think Stroud probably thought he had enough time to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: get it there. But he has that makeup speed. And
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Hunter's able to get back, even when he does make
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: a mistake or trip or whatever. to get back and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: make the play, and Stroud regretted it immediately after he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: let go of the football.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: That's Stroud's only interception of the season.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: That's impressive. He thought it was a touchdown when he
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: threw it.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Of course he didn't. But I think it's one of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: those you let it go and you're like, oh.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: You don't know what you're dealing with with that.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: He's a great athlete. I mean, his quickness is so quick,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: the first step. And you saw it when he was
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: playing receiver and you saw it playing corner.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: And he's only getting better, too, at the instincts part
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: of it. Because, like, obviously when you're a man coverage, okay,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: you go, you know, you just follow the hip and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: then make a play when it's time to make a play.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: With zone coverage, it's a little different, right, because you
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: kind of have to time it. You've got to tease
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: it a little bit. There's been a couple times in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: zone coverage where maybe he uses instincts a little too
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: much to his liking and got beat a little. Not
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: got beat, but gave up a pass or whatever. But
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: he's starting to get more confidence now on defense. And
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: even in zone, he's going to start cheating that a
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: little more and setting that up and probably get some
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: more interceptions because of it.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised at some point this season he
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: gets a pick.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Coming. I think he's so fast. I mean, as soon
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: as he gets the ball, he'll be able to.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Was that the first game of the season where Garnick
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: affected the quarterback? I think it would have been a
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: pick six, but the ball was like.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, kind of.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: I think that was the first game. I think it
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: was Cleveland where he would have had a pick six
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: if Garnick doesn't. And something against Garnick did a great job,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: but yeah.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: Garnick is a guy that every single week shows up
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: and makes plays.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: He does. He pressures the quarterback.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: He does. Absolutely. Every time they utilize him.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: Some would say twitchy.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: He's a little twitchy. A little twitchy.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: He plays hard, too.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: He plays hard. Yeah.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: All right, Pete, I know you want your twitchy edge.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going to look at the sack leaders list because
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: I think if they get someone, it should be someone
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: that has some sacks, right? We don't want another two
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: sack person on this roster. Is there any names that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: are on this list that I should be looking at
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: that I think are feasible? What are the teams that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: you think might make a trade with Jags?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: We got to go look at all the bad teams.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: And then probably... Nobody in the division. I'll give you
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: an example. Buckner is squawking in Indy. And so he's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: clearly not happy, wants to go play for a contender.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: But would they trade him to the Jaguars?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't have anyone running the ship right now
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: as well because they just let go of their general manager.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: I think would Carl Erso do anything, honestly, like if
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: the price is right?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's probably on a short-term guy anyways because
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: he's got– but you're trading for a guy who has
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: a back issue. Remember that.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: So the price can't be high.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Sure. You got to be careful with the price, but
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: he would help them on the interior push the pocket.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: This is the thing. When he's healthy, he's good, man.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: He's a game– he's underrated.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: The wrong 49ers defensive lineman was signed here.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: You can reunite them.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: It took me a while, but yeah, I got you.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: You got to reunite them. I know the Titans will
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: never trade in the division, so I'm going to skip
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: over them.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons would be the one. By the way, he
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: might be a defensive player of the year candidate as
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: well as he's playing. He had two sacks yesterday.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: He's good.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: He's playing great football.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: It's a shame. It seems like he's getting wasted on
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: all those years there.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: But there's not a chance in hell they would trade him.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: And it seems like he wants to stay there. He
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: said last year he wants to stay. Good on him.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Let's see.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: What about the Chargers?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Khalil Mack's got three.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: More than the other two guys in Jacksonville have.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Or tied tonight.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: Now, when we hear, when we hear, what, a 35-year-old
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: Cleo Mack, we thinking Twitchy?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: He's twitchier than those two.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Are we thinking Twitchy at 35 years.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Old, Pete?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Or are we thinking WD-40 the hips?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: He's twitchier than those two.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Are the Raiders bad or are they still good? Are
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: we still counting them as good?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Well. They're not good. They have the Rams this week,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: although the Rams losing all those guys.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be in trouble.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. But, again, he was traded already.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: So there's a price out there and something they're willing
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: to do if you can get the right price.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: How about Commander's addresser, Calavon Chase? No.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Never in a million years. He's not good enough. He's twitchy,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: but he's not good enough. The way they play defense,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would work. How about.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because you've got to.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Payne.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Payne's the commander.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Deron Payne.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: That's the commander's guy.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: What's the realistic... What would it take to get someone
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: like that, though? Is that like a pick?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: It's a rental, so it wouldn't be... It would be picked.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: And the commanders don't have a lot of picks, so
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: it would be probably picks you can get them. Hey,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. and some– the fifth and something else maybe.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: You get them?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, it doesn't make– because I think at wide receiver,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: they're pretty good if they can stay healthy. But the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: Eagles are going to be in sell mode.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: But they don't have any– oh, the Eagles.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: What about Jalen Carter?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: The Eagles are– they're sellers now. Okay.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: But what about Jalen Carter?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: No chance. They just re-signed him to a contract. I
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: think that contract is too prohibitive to trade him. Okay.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: But a Jomo, who's actually played pretty well, he's a possibility.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. because he's in the final year of his deal,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: so he's an unrestricted free agent after the season, so
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: he would be a one-year rental because they're not going
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: to pay him to stay.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: And Mack, too, would be a one-year rental. I think
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: you have Mack for one more year, and then you
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: can get him off the books, be cheap.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: By the way, here's one, not in trade situation, but
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: you guys just maybe think of this. On the interior
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: of that defensive line, should Oro Roro play more than Armstead?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, I always thought the plan was going to be, Pete,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: that they're going to move Armstead just for, like, pass
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: rushing situations and then.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Have– Right. He was supposed to play 20-something snaps.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: And he's playing a lot more than that.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Calais Campbell is playing 20-something snaps a game, which is
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: what he should be playing, and that's what Armstead should
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: be playing.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: So– Yeah.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: And I think Oro Oro has done some good things,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: by the way.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've said this about him since he got
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: to Jacksonville. I think he's still a little raw in
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: terms of, like, learning what they're trying to do as
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: a scheme.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: But his first step is great. And if you have
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: a first step, you've got a chance. So maybe they're
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: trying to still teach him up and scheme him up
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: and everything like that. But I do like the get-off.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: I do like the speed from the first step.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: But that snap count should switch a little bit.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Don't you think?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: You would think so.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: Did you know Max Crosby and Trayvon Walker have the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: same amount of sacks?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: No, it's cool, though. He's twitchy.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: He also chases down plays on the other side of
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: the field that nobody else does. I'm just checking. I'm
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: just checking.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: Wait, so Max Crosby has how many sacks this year?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Two? All right.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: What is that, 30 million? That's cool.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd also has two.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: Well, let's bring back Devin Lloyd, get the same amount
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: of sacks as Max Crosby.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: The problem is it's a little early to tell all
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: these things.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd's not playing as well as Ventra Miller.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: That's a good point. We've been talking about how good
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Chris Rodriguez is, but we had to talk about a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: two-sack Max Crosby for 30 minutes on the show today.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: When you look at it, who? What else? Okay, how
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: about Josh Sweat from the Cardinals? Doesn't do a lot
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Also two sacks.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do a lot for me.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's hard to tell with that kind
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: of defense.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: There's a couple more bad teams, aren't there? Of course.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Giants.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're trading anybody.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Are the Cowboys ready to admit it yet?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: That's the thing about the NFC East. Everybody's still in
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: the ranks.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: Everyone's got a reason to keep on going. You get
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: the sense the Eagles are done though, P. You're not
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: going to.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're done. How about the NFC South?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: No, because I feel like it's the South. Everyone's in it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean. They're bad and everybody's bad, so
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: it's like the same thing.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: Everybody in the AFC North is still in it.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: Might be a little too early for it, I guess.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: The AFC North, everybody's still in it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Try to wait some of these guys out a couple
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: weeks and things become a little more clear.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: But you only got a couple more weeks, though.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: What day is the trade deadline?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because you can't do the NFC North because Green
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: Bay is still in it. Detroit's still in it. Minnesota's
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: obviously in it.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Minnesota's still in it.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: November 10th.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: We've got a little time.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: We've got a couple weeks here.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: What'd you say? It's November 10th.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: 10th, right?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we've got a couple weeks here.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a couple weeks, but how many more
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: teams are going to emerge and say they're out of it?
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Like in the NFC East, are they going to admit
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: it when the leading division team has as many five losses?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. The Giants lose a couple
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: of their leading division with five losses.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Crazy times. We are going to take one more break.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about what's going on around the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: NFL when we come back here on Jaguars Happy Hour
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Time now to go around
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: the NFL. Kai with Austin and Pete. We need to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: talk about some things. I do want to start out
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: first with Jalen Hurts out for the rest of the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: season with blood clots. Pete, such a weird situation, and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: obviously we're happy to see that he's kind of dealing
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: with his health now, but crazy. I'm sure we'll hear
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: more as the week goes along, but the way the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: Eagles kind of dealt with it, knowing about it, traveling,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: going international travel, playing with that seems very strange.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, what about him deciding to play with that?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to play or help themself a little bit.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Someone needs to step in.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: No, no, you're not playing? Isn't that a doctor's job, though, too? Like,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: to save a player from themselves?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Because every player, they're warriors. They want to go out
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: and play.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: So you've got to protect them. It's a bad look
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: for the Eagles. I mean, and Sirianni won't answer questions
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: about it when he knew what he knew, how he
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: knew it. And so it just keeps getting worse. I
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: think it's a bad look. Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes when you don't say anything at all,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: people just speculate more, and that's what makes it worse
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: as well. Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: And I think he's like, I'm not a doctor by
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: any means. I'm not going to speak on the medical stuff.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: But I feel like it could have been a lot
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: worse against the Jaguars maybe. Like if he gets hit
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: in a certain– I don't know. Like heaven forbid something
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: happens on the field during that game.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Flying with that is always risky.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: They're extremely lucky that, you know, it didn't get worse.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: It would have been a really bad look for the league.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: And remember, Chris Bosh had the– he forced him to retire, remember,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: because he had the blood clots. He didn't want to. Remember,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: they were talking to him coming back, and he said, no, no, no.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Can't play with that. So he's going to be on
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: blood thinners receiving treatment for that. So he'll be out
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: the rest of the season. They'll kind of assess after
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: that goes forward. the Colts in division, they lose to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans, and then Chris Ballard is out. They
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: keep the coach, though. Pete, why not both for now?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Is this just until the end of the year so
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: we know what's happening?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Chris Ballard, they hadn't won a division title since Andrew
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Luck was there, and every other team in the division
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: has won it at least twice since then. Think about that.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: He had to go. It was time. Plus, he traded
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: two first-round picks for for sauce gardener that's enough reason
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: to get fired.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Honestly i'm surprised he lasted as long as he did
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: i agree and like i was with him in kansas
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: city so i know him and everything and nothing but
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: respect but like look what they did remember they brought
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: in philip rivers and then who'd you draft you drafted
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: the dude from florida anthony richardson that didn't go well
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: like usually if you're a gm you're tied to your
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: quarterback and you're only as good as your quarterback's gonna
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: allow you to be he had a couple swings at
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: the quarterback position it never worked out so yeah And then.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: He paid Daniel Jones a boatload of money, and he's
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: just as average as they come now. They paid Pierce
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money, and he's hurt. They knew he
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: was hurt. The moves he's made, they don't have– here's
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: the thing. They don't have a first-round pick next year.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: So if you think you're going to go get a quarterback,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Think again.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of interesting decisions, and I'm curious how
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: quick they'll– like we've seen other franchises obviously, you know,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: quick rebuilds, if you will, quick flips. It doesn't feel
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: like that's going to be the situation in Indianapolis.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: Well, not without the first, not without the first round pick.
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  Speaker 2: Because how do you rebuild Colts history? The Colts had
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: Johnny Unitas. They had Bert Jones. You guys won't remember him.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: He was a great quarterback. They had, uh, Peyton Manning
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: and Andrew Luck. That's their hit that, you know, they're
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: looking at their history. They had quarterbacks. They won with
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: great quarterbacks, some of the all-time greats. Now they have nothing.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: When you have a good quarterback, everything else kind of
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: falls into place at certain times. Uh, What's going on?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: The Saints get a win over the Giants, Pete, but
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Cam Scadaboo didn't get a carry? Is he getting punished?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: What's going on in New York?
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: He fumbles. He's fumbled four times. And when you fumble,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get... Plus, he's not that good.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't make anybody miss. He's one of those guys
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: like Chris Rodriguez that runs straight forward all the time,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: and he's not going to make anybody miss. And by
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: the way, Chris Rodriguez is a better runner than Scadaboo.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just not. He's a much better runner.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think Scadaboo's very good. I watched his games
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: at Arizona State. He's just a hard, tough-nosed kid, but
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: you can't run that way in the NFL. You've got
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: to make people miss a little bit. And he fumbles.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: So he sat him down. He wasn't happy about it.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: And they played four backs yesterday, four of them. They're
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: also going to go for a quarterback. They haven't admitted
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: it yet, but they're going to make a change at quarterback. J.J.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: McCarthy is going to start for them.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: He got off to a rough start, but then, yeah,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: he ended up willing them back in that game. made
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: it interesting towards the end.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Why not play them?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: You know what you have with Jameis Winston?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: You got the yo-yo up and down.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: You know what you got with Jameis.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The full experience. How about the Cardinals getting a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: win without scoring a touchdown? And are the Rams, what's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: going on with the Rams?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Cause the Rams are slow across the board. They don't
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: run very well. That shows up on offense. Did you
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: see what Kyron Williams said? Yeah.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Not out there.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Bro, I wasn't out there. So I don't, it's the, don't,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: you know, basically don't blame me. The reason we're losing
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: is cause I'm not out there. Um, I think when
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: you get the dream team label, I think that puts
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on a team.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: And they're not living up to the pressure at all.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Stafford's old, looks old. Nakua and Adams, now Adams is hurt.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: The defensive line, those guys haven't played that well. I mean,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: it's just McDuffie's played well. I'll give him that. He's
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: played really well.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: Crazy how fast he can go for MVP and then.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: where we are this year with them.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: The next four weeks at the Rams, they have Washington,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: they have Arizona again on the road, and they have
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: one other winnable game. They have to go 3-1 in
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: those games. If they don't, then the schedule gets brutal.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: They're finished.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: What about your other Super Bowl pick? The Cowboys fall
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: to the Packers. They're 2-4 now.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: They're still alive in that bad division. You've got time
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: to clean things up. But if they were in another division,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: they'd be in big trouble.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: They've got to clean up that defense at a time
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: soon or not. We're just going to roll with it.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: And you know what's weird, though? The defense actually played
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: better last night. The offense didn't play very well.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they look discombobulated, man. And getting Joy Porter Jr.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: is going to help out a little bit, too. It
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: seems like they needed it, and I appreciate when you
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: address a need like that. But we'll see.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: And Quinton Williams was better last night. And bad. And bad.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: If you hold a team meeting, you better be pretty good, Pete. Right.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: If you're going to call a team meeting, you better
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: back that bad boy up.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: All right. Tonight, Jane Daniels and the Washington Commanders head west.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: They're going to try and upset the battle-tested San Francisco 49ers. 49ers, Commanders,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: what do you got?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: Washington, huh, Pete? You think of Washington, Pete?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: No. Come on.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: Let me update the records because you both lost last week. So, Pete,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: you both picked the Rams. I tried to get you
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: to go Bills. No one wanted to do it. Pete,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: you're 3-2. Austin, you're 1-4.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: Jane Daniels picked against that defense. You've got to like
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: the Washington Commanders.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: Pete, you're up first. I'm taking the 49ers.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: Obviously, taking the 49ers, too. I just tried to boycott.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: Tyler Chris Rodriguez. That's five yards right there.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Are the 49ers the best team in the league?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy your bye weeks. We
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: will be back next Monday. Enjoy the weekend off. It
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: was a good one.