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Trump's Tilt with the Pontiff · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Why not bring the magic here. Mike is with us,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to start off first of all by
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  Speaker 1: asking how your day went yesterday, because twenty four hours
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  Speaker 1: ago you and I both sort of sent the picture
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  Speaker 1: back to each other and said, oh lord, that's Trump.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to be Jesus as the day wore on
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  Speaker 1: and examining the source material of that, the Great Nick
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  Speaker 1: Adams America is sick. Trump is a healer. I talked
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  Speaker 1: myself off a momentary ledge. I've he trolls us on
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  Speaker 1: this stuff every once in a while, and the notion
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  Speaker 1: of blasphemy is it's just false, it's just crazy. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I said yesterday, he has a chance
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  Speaker 2: to do something pretty special here. He could take the
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  Speaker 2: post down, which is very uncharacteristic of him, and he did.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like, I mean, moments after I signed off,
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  Speaker 2: don't think I wasn't thinking he's listening to the Mike
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  Speaker 2: Gallagher Show there in the Oval office and watch it
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  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, on the one hand, okay, great, he took
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  Speaker 2: the meme down. Good for him, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to blow over, as things like this always do.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw a headline this morning over at Axios
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  Speaker 2: and I read an article in amazement. You do realize
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  Speaker 2: that this dust up with the Catholic Church and this
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  Speaker 2: meme is the latest chapter in the walls are closing in.
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  Speaker 2: This is the latest iteration of Oh, it's all over
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  Speaker 2: for him now. For example, Axios Trump's incredible shrinking tent.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is torching the coalition that made him president,
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  Speaker 2: seemingly unaware of or simply unconcerned by the depth of
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  Speaker 2: discontent permeating his movement. Here's what's going on here. This
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  Speaker 2: is divide and conquer in a major way. David Axelrod
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  Speaker 2: goes off to the Vatican. Of course, axel Rod famously
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  Speaker 2: from Chicago. The Pope is from Chicago. They have three
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  Speaker 2: left leaning cardinals on sixty minutes Sunday night, which obviously
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  Speaker 2: ticked off the President. He responded, as he always is
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  Speaker 2: going to do. He's never He's no wallflower. This is
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  Speaker 2: a divide and conquer strategy. And yet look at all
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  Speaker 2: the polling about Trump's support for the mass deportation. Look
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  Speaker 2: at all the polling for Trump, for the support for
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  Speaker 2: Trump and the war in Iran, most Americans. A CBS
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  Speaker 2: poll of all places just released yesterday set a majority
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  Speaker 2: of Americans support our goals in Iran. You know these
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  Speaker 2: cardinals in this pope, they didn't They've never spoken out
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  Speaker 2: about anything else that's going on in the world, mass genocide.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they're injecting themselves into our into
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  Speaker 2: our politics, basically, And you expect Trump's going to roll over.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think his polition wants him to. No,
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  Speaker 1: and the notion that he should apologize, Look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want anybody to apologize if the Pope makes, I believe
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  Speaker 1: an unwise choice to dirty his hands with American politics.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, as I said earlier, I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember sixty minutes going and looking for a panel of
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  Speaker 1: priests to condemn what Joe Biden's views were on abortion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that happening. Thank you, we can find them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need anybody to back down or apologize to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: The President gets to have his views, the Pope gets
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  Speaker 1: to have his. The problem that even a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Catholics have many of them don't want their church and
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  Speaker 1: their hierarchy and their pope weighing in and taking one
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  Speaker 1: side of a political battle and choosing to do it
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  Speaker 1: without a scriptural basis. There is no evidence that God
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  Speaker 1: or Jesus disapproves of going to war for a righteous cause.
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  Speaker 1: You may or may not believe this one is a
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  Speaker 1: righteous cause. I don't need the Pope and get out
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  Speaker 1: there and cheerlead for the war, but I don't need
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  Speaker 1: him to bag on it either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the President said, quite blow Lee yesterday. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think Pope Leo should be getting into politics. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the takeaway from most Americans. And look,
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  Speaker 2: as the Democrats are imploding. I'm talking about Eric Swalwell,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the California gubernatorial race, as Democrats are,
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  Speaker 2: and this is an entire catastrophe for them, and they
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  Speaker 2: know it. All the A listers, all the smart kids
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  Speaker 2: were in Eric Swalwell's corner, all these rich movie stars
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  Speaker 2: and all these jerks who clearly that's why you don't
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  Speaker 2: trust actors when it comes to politics. But they've got
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  Speaker 2: a real mess on their hands. And in fact, recent
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  Speaker 2: polling is showing that Republicans are edging out Democrats in
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  Speaker 2: terms of who they want to lead the country. So
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  Speaker 2: don't buy it. We've heard it for ten years. All
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  Speaker 2: the walls are closing in. It's over now, It's all
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  Speaker 2: finished for Trump. He's blown up the bowl looney bolony,
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  Speaker 2: not for a moment.
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  Speaker 1: For a moment in California, Swalwell gone. And I think
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  Speaker 1: Democrats are seeming to be on board for this, not
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  Speaker 1: because they are genuinely offended by Eric Swalwell, but they
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  Speaker 1: knew they had to fin the field of Democrats. Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be Steve Hilton and Riverside County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff chadlo Bianco one and two, it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be Republican and Republican guaranteeing a Republican successor for Gavin Newsom.
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  Speaker 1: So is Tom Steyer probably the beneficiary, the prime beneficiary
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  Speaker 1: of Swalwell getting out.
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  Speaker 2: Look, we're gonna find out. But here's what I do know.
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  Speaker 2: The big, huge takeaway over the Eric Swalwell story is.
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  Speaker 1: They all knew. They all knew.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way this was Do you see he's got
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  Speaker 2: fifty staffers, an open revolt. Now, if you've got fifty
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  Speaker 2: people on your team, First of all, how many people
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  Speaker 2: does it take to support a congressional office?
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  Speaker 1: You know, my gosh, fifty.
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  Speaker 2: But if you've got fifty people who are all denouncing him,
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  Speaker 2: well they knew the only reason and they threw him
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  Speaker 2: to the curb is because he wasn't useful to them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted him to back out of the caliber and
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  Speaker 2: look at the how cynical you have to be to
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  Speaker 2: recognize that the cynicism of politics. Well, as long as
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  Speaker 2: we can use him, we don't care if he's a
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  Speaker 2: sleeves ball who was sexually abusing women, we're okay, we'll
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  Speaker 2: look the other way. But the second he doesn't play
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  Speaker 2: nice and back out of the California gubernatorial race, well
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna come at him with everything we got. Now
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  Speaker 2: we've got and you know more about this than I do.
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  Speaker 2: The Republican from Texas, this guy resigned.
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  Speaker 1: What's his name, Tony Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 2: So do I have this right that he had an
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  Speaker 2: affair with a poor woman who burned herself alive. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: she committed suicide by self and relation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he asserts that her suicide didn't have anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with their relationship. I don't know that it did.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it didn't.
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  Speaker 2: But that's who he had the affair with. Correct, correct,
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  Speaker 2: And he decided to.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. I think he thought there was sort of
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  Speaker 1: congressional blood and water, and if they were going to
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  Speaker 1: expel Eric Swallowell, which they very well might have done,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe they would be tit for tat Democrat Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Let's throw them both to the wolves. And he thought
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  Speaker 1: that he might face an expulsion vote as well, so
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  Speaker 1: he decided, listen, how about if I just simplify my
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  Speaker 1: life and I'll resign as well. To be clear, and
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  Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez was not accused of raping anybody, not that
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  Speaker 1: they and I don't want to play can you top
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  Speaker 1: this with sexual misbehavior? But he said, maybe my time
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  Speaker 1: has come as well.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's two more coming down the pike. Right,
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  Speaker 2: there's another Democrat and another Republican. Apparently two of them
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  Speaker 2: are going to be two from each party are going
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  Speaker 2: to be out. So that's a wash. Mathematically, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Chad Pergram over it from that's about
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  Speaker 2: the math. That's about the math. Well, okay, you lose
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  Speaker 2: two Democrats, you lose two Republicans. We're still good, We're
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  Speaker 2: still got a slim majority. But isn't there like a
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  Speaker 2: is it a Democrat congresswoman that was from Texas? And
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  Speaker 2: Pilford a bunch of money?
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  Speaker 1: They're there are so many stories of misbehavior of various
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  Speaker 1: types and when people are when the bar is moving
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  Speaker 1: on expulsion or censure, or when whether when parties are
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  Speaker 1: starting to eat their own And I think that all
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  Speaker 1: of this relates to midterm nervousness, because everybody is so so,
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  Speaker 1: so so wired into the midterms as am I, as
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  Speaker 1: are you and talking to Steve Moore a minute ago
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  Speaker 1: about the economy and thinking about this war. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's messy now, but it's April. I'm just not going
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  Speaker 1: to get into a funk and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: tie myself in knots. I have a feeling there's plenty
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  Speaker 1: of room for the Trump agenda to be shining brightly
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  Speaker 1: enough in September, October and November for the midterms to go. Okay, cook,
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  Speaker 1: please lord, let me be right about that.
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  Speaker 2: What would we be saying if Iran annihilated Israel with
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon and we hadn't done anything about it,
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  Speaker 2: we would look at the history. Yeah, would would that
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  Speaker 2: make you happy? For forty seven years, Iran has been
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  Speaker 2: the bully of the Middle East, and they have been
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  Speaker 2: terrorizing everybody they can, including Americans. They've been killing Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Finally we got a president the narrative ought to be
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  Speaker 2: coming out of CBSABC, NBC. Finally, after decades of promising
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  Speaker 2: to do something about Iran, this guy did. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: we got a hope and pray Mark that most Americans
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  Speaker 2: have the common sense the Good Lord gave them to
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  Speaker 2: understand this and not fall for this crap. And you know, look,
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  Speaker 2: we all kind of got fell to for it yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I got all swept up in the meme
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  Speaker 2: and we were talking about it was a big story.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad he took it down. But don't let them
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  Speaker 2: divide us. That's what that's what they're trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: That's all that it's about. It's divide and conquer. It's
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  Speaker 2: a classic strategy because they got nothing. They don't have ideas,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have policies. What policy that the Democrats offer
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  Speaker 2: is better than what Republicans have, even the worst of Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: What's the best Democrat you know who they got. They
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  Speaker 2: got Fetterman. That's all they got. You got John Fetterman
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  Speaker 2: is the slice of normal for the Democrat Party, and boy,
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  Speaker 2: what a turnaround. He's ninety. I still can't get over him.
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  Speaker 2: What a what a journey he's been on.
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  Speaker 1: It is and that is the definition of courage, and
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  Speaker 1: that I just I love him. The interesting thing, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that the modern Democrat Party in any way
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  Speaker 1: would elevate or elect or nominate somebody who is as
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  Speaker 1: sensible as he is. Do you sixty seconds?
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  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but I do want to close in one
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  Speaker 2: observation and pull the curtain back. When you and I talk,
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  Speaker 2: we always talk over each other. But I noticed that
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  Speaker 2: when you do the morning show, the Christa gaul Show
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  Speaker 2: sixty eight, you're un characteristically polite to me.
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  Speaker 1: What is that? No, not at all. It's not anything stylized.
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  Speaker 2: And those guys are they giving you a hard time?
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  Speaker 1: They tell me. I listen to them. It's very very simple.
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  Speaker 1: You know what it is, Mike. I'm completely exhausted. I'm
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  Speaker 1: up at three o'clock in the morning. I'm ready for lunch,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready for dinner. I'm so close to don I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna do the rest of mine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm teasing it.
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  Speaker 2: Did not try this at home. Mark is a professional,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: I love you too. That's my Gallagher show on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: We will definitely see you tomorrow. And he's right because
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  Speaker 1: Mike and I come into this with such energy, so
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  Speaker 1: eager to make this point, make that point with a
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  Speaker 1: ticking clock. Nothing quells my energy like being up in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and being ready for luncheon
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  Speaker 1: about this time.