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Joe Rogan Experience _1411 - Robert Downey Jr.(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Boom. So we're talking about losing eyesight.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You actually take comfort in the fact that your eyesight
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  Speaker 1: is starting to dwindle?
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  Speaker 2: You want to chase it. At first I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine. Then I'm 42. Then it's like, let's try
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  Speaker 2: some ones. Then it's one, two fives. Then it's one fives.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I stopped because I have so many fucking glasses. Some
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  Speaker 2: of them are ones. Some of them are two fives.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: But what I appreciate is you know where you're at.
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  Speaker 2: by what you're able to retain if you fight for
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  Speaker 2: it and the things that are going no matter what
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  Speaker 2: you do. Now I've heard there's some Israeli guy who's
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  Speaker 2: got this app, probably from Laird, got this app and
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  Speaker 2: you do it and you get your eyesight back. And
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it's about, I don't need to try to use
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  Speaker 2: something to hold on to everything. I want to pick
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  Speaker 2: the five or seven things that I definitely want to
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  Speaker 2: hold on to. And I want to watch the rest
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  Speaker 2: of it go in and out with the tides.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that in some ways. But if there
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  Speaker 1: was a real thing where you could get your eyesight back,
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely be on that. I don't think there
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  Speaker 1: is a real thing. Lasix? That's not real. Well, Lasix
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  Speaker 1: has several problems. You can get it if you have
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  Speaker 1: problems with your vision. But we have macular degeneration that's
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  Speaker 1: coming from age. Age-related macular degeneration. Lasix doesn't really fix that.
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  Speaker 2: But I know people who are wearing glasses. And then
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  Speaker 2: got Lasix and they don't wear glasses anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: But also sometimes– But we never wore glasses.
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  Speaker 1: They get one eye to close up and one eye
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  Speaker 1: for distance.
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  Speaker 2: It's even more fun. Half the eye exams I've gotten
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  Speaker 2: wind up fucking me. Two weeks later, you're like, these
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  Speaker 2: don't work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What about the loss of a sense that you're accustomed
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  Speaker 2: to being fine annoys you?
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  Speaker 1: What about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like being able to see things. Read labels in particular.
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  Speaker 1: How many of these fuckers am I supposed to take?
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  Speaker 1: And what's in here? How many milligrams? What does that say?
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing this shit?
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  Speaker 2: But it's also funny to go up to like a
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  Speaker 2: little Lutron pad and have to go– like that to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's a gas.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Except the things you cannot change. Now, if someone comes
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  Speaker 2: in and says, Joe, Bob, I got it. We're done.
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  Speaker 2: Come over here. It's easy or it's a supplement or
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  Speaker 2: do this for two weeks or stop doing this, this
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  Speaker 2: and this. Then there's a tradeoff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, I'm down for anything that actually works to
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  Speaker 1: make your eyesight come back. But I have heard of nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody that I've.
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  Speaker 2: Heard of– This might be our project then because you
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  Speaker 2: care and I don't. So we have a nice balance.
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  Speaker 1: There's a guy named David Sinclair that I talked to.
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  Speaker 1: He's a professor at Harvard. Is it MIT? Where the
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  Speaker 1: fuck is he? It's Harvard. He's– they're doing some work
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  Speaker 1: with people that have serious eye diseases and serious injuries
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  Speaker 1: and they're actually injecting some form of bacteria– That has
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  Speaker 1: been encoded with some miracle cure for degeneration. And they
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  Speaker 1: can detach retinas, fix things.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they're working on some stuff. Yeah. So maybe in
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  Speaker 1: the future. You won't have twos and ones and 1.5s.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what am I going to do? I have alighted
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  Speaker 2: to greener pastures. I'm sure there's going to be other
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  Speaker 2: issues and hurdles that you're going to go eyesight. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I can time that. We've got real
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  Speaker 2: shit going on here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure too. I'm concerned about that. That thing
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  Speaker 1: that you're wearing around your neck.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Being as you are obviously known as being Iron Man,
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  Speaker 1: are you concerned with wearing a large thing in the
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  Speaker 1: exact same spot? No. Did you ever think of that?
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  Speaker 2: Life is funny because I was doing this before I
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  Speaker 2: ever got fitted for the RT. So it was more
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  Speaker 2: of art imitating oddball stuff I was doing anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Well, but Iron Man– this is even more interesting
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  Speaker 1: because maybe you were born to be Iron Man because
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  Speaker 1: Iron Man obviously had that from the comic books.
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  Speaker 2: Loosely prearranged destiny. And what's incredible is how far afield
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  Speaker 2: you can go from it and still find your way back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's been– the whole superhero genre thing is
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  Speaker 1: so interesting to me because there's so many reboots and
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  Speaker 1: there's so many– like how many fucking Spider-Mans have there been?
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  Speaker 1: How many Hulks have there been? There's only one Iron Man, though.
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  Speaker 1: You got that.
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  Speaker 2: Thus far. What year is it?
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  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. You're Iron Man, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like certain dudes just own a role. And
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  Speaker 1: if anybody else tried to be Iron Man, we'd be like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, interestingly enough, East Coaster, a dad of some renown,
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  Speaker 2: very different. My dad was kind of an underground filmmaker guy.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up definitely being Bob Downey's senior's kid. Spent
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  Speaker 2: time on Long Island, which is, I think, where Tony
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  Speaker 2: was raised. But when Stan Lee was really thinking that through,
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  Speaker 2: it was the Vietnam era and he was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: the military-industrial complex. He was thinking about, how about if
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  Speaker 2: I can throw a little bit of, not politics in here,
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  Speaker 2: but karma. And he gets that. shrapnel by the own
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  Speaker 2: thing and it becomes you know so uh and then
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  Speaker 2: of course there was the whole demon in the bottle
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  Speaker 2: i think he was the first superhero whoever like had
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  Speaker 2: that you know almost like hang up his jersey because
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  Speaker 2: he was hammered yeah so i mean yeah there was
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  Speaker 2: obviously but again once something goes your way you can
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  Speaker 2: draw all the parallels you want you can call it
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  Speaker 2: destiny but it was it was something that i def
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  Speaker 2: i definitely felt drawn to and i definitely fought for
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  Speaker 2: And looking back on it, I go, why was I
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  Speaker 2: fighting for that? Because it turned out to be a
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  Speaker 2: pretty special thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was an amazing thing. I mean you embodied
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  Speaker 1: it in a very strange way. I mean it's inexorable
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  Speaker 1: at this point. Which is why I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: cool that you're going to do Dr. Doolittle because I
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  Speaker 1: love the fact– like I'm a fan of your work.
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  Speaker 1: You've done a lot of great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Likewise.
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  Speaker 1: And you– doing Dr. Doolittle is like a cool– I
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  Speaker 1: want to say you're not taking yourself seriously, but you're
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  Speaker 1: taking a risk.
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  Speaker 2: Trust that I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: But you're taking– I mean this is a fun kids
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  Speaker 1: movie about a guy who talks to animals. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's a great break because like if you're Iron Man,
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  Speaker 1: like there are certain people that– for whatever reason, become
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  Speaker 1: a role. And that is it. That's what we will accept.
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  Speaker 1: You are that guy. And you're not doing that. You're, you're,
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  Speaker 1: you're able to, through your talent and through your ability
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  Speaker 1: to take chances, you're able to be a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different things as well as be the Ironman. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, don't we, I don't know if I'm noticing
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  Speaker 2: anything now, it's that, it's that we need to shift
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  Speaker 2: and we need new challenges. And just like, uh, MMA
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  Speaker 2: and society and politics, things are moving and morphing and
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  Speaker 2: the information age is making things so– everything is learning
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  Speaker 2: and growing from everything so quickly and improving or disproving
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  Speaker 2: or discounting whatever is happening next. But for me, I
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  Speaker 2: heard that this was on the table, my missus who
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  Speaker 2: is my creative partner in all things. said, Steve Gagin.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I know Steve Gagin, Siriana. Really? What
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  Speaker 2: did he do? He wrote, wow, that's a big turn
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  Speaker 2: for him. And then I said, but why do I
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  Speaker 2: want to? And I looked out and we live on
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  Speaker 2: a rescue farm. We have alpacas and goats and coony
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  Speaker 2: coony pigs and it's just crazy. And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: same way I did with Iron Man a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, there's something here. And then
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  Speaker 2: before I signed on, I was just Googling weirdest Welsh doctor.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to think of– I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: just do another English accent. So there's this guy, William Price,
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  Speaker 2: who's a nutty Welsh doctor. He was a neo-Druidist. He
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  Speaker 2: was someone who believed like we could communicate with all
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  Speaker 2: nature and all that stuff. So I sent a picture
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  Speaker 2: of this wild-looking guy wearing like a suit with stars
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  Speaker 2: on it and like a staff in his hand. I
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  Speaker 2: sent that to Gagan. He goes, that looks right to me.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, great. Let's do this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Literally that's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's always it. You know what I mean? It's always
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  Speaker 2: that thing of you click and you go, here's my sense.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? And then the other– the gal
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  Speaker 2: or the guy says, yeah, let's lean into that. And
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  Speaker 2: then you go, but do this and that. Hey, will
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  Speaker 2: you give me some of this? And you go, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're in a synergy. It's
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  Speaker 2: like a good interview, like a good fight, like a
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  Speaker 2: good dinner. It just kind of happens.
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  Speaker 1: There's the gentleman right there. That's a crazy look.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, I just thought that's– Can Doolittle be
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  Speaker 2: like that? He goes, does he have to be that
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  Speaker 2: way the whole way through? I go, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: When they find him, he's a recluse. And then the
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  Speaker 2: animals like clean him up and then he looks less
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  Speaker 2: unhandsome or less weird for the kids for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the movie. But let's find him like that.
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  Speaker 1: This concept of things just sort of falling into place.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What is that though? Is that you getting out of
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  Speaker 1: your own way? Like what is that? Isn't that 70%
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  Speaker 1: of it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it's 70% maintenance of what can I
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  Speaker 2: do to do my part to stay out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other part, I always think of it
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  Speaker 2: as like this little super thin invisible thread. But you
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  Speaker 2: can feel the tug and you just kind of have
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  Speaker 2: to be really gentle and you have to pause when agitated.
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  Speaker 2: And you have to go for it when you're like
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  Speaker 2: there's four walls in here. Which one has the map
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  Speaker 2: behind it? you it's that one and you knock down
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  Speaker 2: the wall and it's there you.
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  Speaker 1: Know yeah what is that though that's.
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  Speaker 2: A synchronicity yeah uh intuition.
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  Speaker 1: But labeling it is very dangerous because it's so filled
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  Speaker 1: with woo so it's you know there's so many people
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  Speaker 1: that are hucksters that have like made a career out
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  Speaker 1: of sort of like labeling it and Sure. Defining it
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  Speaker 1: or teaching you how to get to it.
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  Speaker 2: It's great because it's the commodity that you can't capitalize on.
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  Speaker 2: And yet if you don't show proof of its existence,
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  Speaker 2: you can't even– you shouldn't even be qualified to speak
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  Speaker 2: on it. I don't know. Right. It's the big I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But when it happens, whether it happens with love or
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  Speaker 1: with friendship or with a career or with a path
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  Speaker 1: you're taking, you just know while– there's a smile. There's
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  Speaker 1: an inner smile like, yeah, this is it.
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  Speaker 2: Well put.
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  Speaker 1: I found it. This is it. I'm supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: doing this. Here we go. Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I really feel– it's so funny. At this
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  Speaker 2: point in my life and being kind of middle-aged and
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  Speaker 2: all that, well, I know I'm going to fly around
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: the world and I'm going to sell some soap. And
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: I know I have a new project and I know
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: I've just retired my jersey on this 12-year journey I've
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: been on. And how do I want to start? And
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  Speaker 2: it came up.
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  Speaker 1: How would you like it?
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  Speaker 2: I go, yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go have the Joe Rogan experience and
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  Speaker 2: kick off this– year and this season and this new
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  Speaker 2: chapter by doing what I love, which is an interview
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  Speaker 2: is we're looking at each other and there's a give
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  Speaker 2: and take.
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  Speaker 1: Is the door to Iron Man totally closed? Because I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe it is. Oh. You guys can go through
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  Speaker 1: time now. You can go– there was– you already opened
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  Speaker 1: up that door.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you the question. If I pick the
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  Speaker 2: jersey back up and put it on, wouldn't you feel
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  Speaker 2: a little bit like, oh, crap?
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  Speaker 1: No. Here's what I think. They go through a few–
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: Semi-lackluster Avengers movies without you. You ready for this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the scene. There's a moment where the world's fate
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: is at stake, and they realize they need a super genius.
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  Speaker 1: And then they figure out how to restart that time machine.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, man. The audience sees you when you step
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: out of that thing?
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  Speaker 2: Do you want a little arc on it, too? Because
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  Speaker 2: if this is your idea, then you've got to show
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  Speaker 2: up for it, too.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll show up. What do I have
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  Speaker 1: to do? I don't know. I'll do whatever I have
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: We all have to do whatever Kevin Feige says.
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  Speaker 1: I'll hold the thing. I'll hold the clap thing. Do
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  Speaker 1: they still have that?
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  Speaker 2: They do. They do. It's digital.
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  Speaker 1: I'll hold that digital thing. I'll do it. But the
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  Speaker 1: way people would freak out if you came back. Come on, man.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. Take a few years off. Do a
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: few Dr. Doolittles. A couple more Sherlock Holmes.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting watching Eddie Murphy in this last
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: little period of time. and I was talking to Colin
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: Jost last night who got to sit next to him
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: at the golden globes and who was there and, you know,
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: on the show and writing for him with him when
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: he hosted recently. And I go, it's just incredible. Our
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: culture never encourages taking a break, never encourages saying, uh, uh,
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: don't chase that thing because you've got it in your hands. And, and,
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  Speaker 2: And I love the idea that if you're good at
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  Speaker 2: what you do, then it's not about time. It's about–
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter when you decide to pick up the
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  Speaker 2: mantle again. It's just about– but it's scary, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine? Like if they just said, hey, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: just don't do the show for four years and then
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: come back and do it again. You'd be like, that's
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: a lifetime. Who knows what's going to happen?
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Well, with Eddie, what's interesting is he was– arguably the
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: greatest of his era and just stopped, just stopped for
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  Speaker 1: 30 years. And no one does that. No one who's
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: that good. And then when you see him, I don't
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: know if you ever saw him, he received some award
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  Speaker 1: and he was on a panel, you know, and, uh,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: sitting in front of a podium router rather. And he
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: was talking about Bill Cosby and he was doing this
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: routine about them taking away Bill Cosby's awards. And it
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  Speaker 1: was fucking brilliant. And the timing was so good. And
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: all of us, comics were just sitting there going, he
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  Speaker 1: could do it tomorrow. He could just get up there
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow and he'd be fucking murdering.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And, but it would be different.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be different. He's a different human.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is one of the more interesting things
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  Speaker 1: about it. It's him talking about some of the more
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: homophobic stuff that he did in the past. Now it
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  Speaker 1: makes him cringe and you just can't believe he was
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  Speaker 1: that person. But he, you know, he was, when he
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: did delirious, I think he was like 22 or something
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  Speaker 1: crazy like that, which is just bonkers that he was
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  Speaker 1: that good.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I've been thinking about him lately in relation to
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of things, but also just that particularly nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: giving yourself permission to not have to jump because, you know,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: strike the iron's hot, all that stuff. And maybe it's
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: just as a bit of an anxiety to the times,
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  Speaker 2: which I remember, too. Speaking of past generations, I remember
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: growing up in 1974. nixon's black and white tv getting
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: impeached my dad and his buddies are whooping it up
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: but they're still pissed and i'm going like wow it's
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: it's not worse or or or better it's different but
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: now it's on us yeah so there's the a bit
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: of an urgency and that that whole thing and just
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: being able to say like so to answer your question
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  Speaker 2: to me uh starting up again is off the table
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  Speaker 2: i feel i've done all i could with that character
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  Speaker 2: there would have to be a Super compelling argument and
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  Speaker 2: a series of events that made it obvious to it.
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  Speaker 2: But the other thing is I want to do other stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Of course. What you're talking about, about
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  Speaker 1: Nixon and people get– people can lose themselves in current events.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean by that, like it doesn't necessarily completely–
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Your life is more than what's going on in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Hunter Thompson talked about that when he was
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: running for sheriff in Aspen. He was talking about how
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: local politics, like your neighborhood, that's real. This actually can
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: affect your life. Like what's going on in Washington, how
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: much does that affect your day-to-day existence? It's very little.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: But for some people, it becomes– an enormous portion of
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: the real state of their mind. It takes over most
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: of their day-to-day consciousness where they're consumed with it and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it becomes a thing they're cheering for or they're rooting against.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, your life revolves on something that
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: you have very little power over.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Teams, turf wars, interests.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Think globally, act locally.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, it's a beautiful statement. It really is.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: It's one of those cliches that you don't even think about.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was Hunter in that picture out there.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: To me, it looked like Joe Walsh.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Could as easily fit Joe Walsh. I mean, he moved
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: to Colorado, too. Oh, wow. Yeah, the Rocky Mountain Way.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn if he didn't.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: He once told me, I'll speak out of school, he said, Nowny,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: you should just watch TV for a year, bro. I
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: was like, Thanks, Joe. By the way, he's probably right.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Probably right. Look, if you just hung back and just
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: did nothing but watch TV for a year, the fucking
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: ideas you would have, you'd probably have a really rock-solid
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: idea of what's going on.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: His was more trying to have enough things going on
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: that I wouldn't have any ideas for a year. And
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: then I'd give myself a break for a year.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's good too. See, I'm thinking differently. I'm thinking
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like analyze the landscapes. I think Joe Walsh is one
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of the most underrated guys ever because he changed the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: fucking Eagles. The Eagles were one thing, and then Joe
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Walsh came around, like victim of love. That's Joe Walsh.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: He came around, and all of a sudden there was
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a rock to it. It's like they were kicking down
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: doors and lighting shit on fire. It was different. There
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: was an edge to it. He added crazy. He added
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: crazy to this beautiful harmony.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And I love it when the guys that added crazy
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: go up to the thin veils. between dimensions and say,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to stay put. And then all
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of a sudden they represent stability. They represent, uh, being okay.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Hanging up your guns.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And just being, you know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what, that's everything. Everyone has to accept that
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: at some point in time.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's you and your glasses, right? Because
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: everyone has to accept that at one point in time,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to get off the ride. But
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: when you're doing great and you're kicking it, like boxers
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: are a perfect example. They always last too long. There's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: only been a small handful. Like Andre Ward recently, marvelous
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Marvin Hagler in his prime. They just go, that's it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'm done. And they actually are done. Almost every one
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: of them comes back and almost every one of them
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: chases that dragon.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Here's why I love you. You're making an argument for
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and also the argument against me coming back and doing
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: another Marvel picture.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not married to anything except my wife. But
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not married to any ideas. All the ideas that
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I have are just like, hmm, maybe that idea sucks.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I love you as Iron Man. So I would– if
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you– if they opened up this time machine and you
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: popped out, I just imagine the moment where everybody goes
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy. It would be amazing.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: It would be great.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I would love that. But I would also love you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: hanging it up.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Look, it's just– first of all, it's 2020
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm not an OCD guy but I keep thinking
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: see clearly. See clearly even if your vision is going
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and it's difficult because by I feel like we all
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: just get buffeted by feelings and ego or fears or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: little you know chips of resentments or intuitions that are
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: tied to something maybe higher but you think is out
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of your reach or whatever so it was a perfect
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: time and I got to go have dinner with a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: bunch of the uh, Marvel folks last night and kind
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: of have just a little bit of extra closure. Cause
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the movie came out and it was bananas
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and the directors are sending me pictures of like people
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: flipping out in theaters when Tony snaps. And I was like, Whoa,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: this was kind of like a really big cultural thing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But then like, uh, Victoria Alonzo, who's the head of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: VFX for all of these movies, a literal super genius
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: or Kevin Feige or Favreau or, uh, Scarlet or some
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: people that have just been there with it for a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: long time. We were there experiencing it all when it
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: came out and then we see each other on a
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: red carpet and it's not intimate and then we kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of hadn't really had a chance just to do nothing,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: just hang out and have some crudite and kind of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: talk shit. So it was really interesting being here today
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because yesterday was this kind of– last night was this
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: kind of real like– felt like closing the circle on
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: things a bit.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: That's got to be bittersweet.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: But I like that you want to move on. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I like that you're doing something like Dr. Doolittle. Because
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you've done a lot of wild shit in your life.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: You've done a lot of wild shit in your career.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: But you sort of embody every new chapter with the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: same kind of energy, although there's a different result and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a different piece of art. It's all the same you.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the more interesting things about people
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and particular actors because actors get to be a bunch
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of different things. And it's one of the weirder things
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: about that craft. Like when you see a guy who's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like Daniel Day-Lewis who embodies these different humans, like literally
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: becomes different humans. But it's always Daniel Day-Lewis. You know
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like even though he plays these– there
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: will be blood guy and all these different psychopaths and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: various fascinating characters. It's always the– like you're pumped to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: see him do it. Right? And I think that's– I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: feel the same way with you. It's like I know
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: there's– you're an interesting guy. There's a lot of shit
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: going on in your head. So when you dive into something,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, whether it's your character from Tropic Thunder
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, like you're going to– it's going
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to be Robert Downey Jr. diving into something. So I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: would imagine it would be kind of annoying even though
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you are brilliant at Iron Man to stay Iron Man.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, fortunately, I don't have to find out.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It's just interesting too. Life is doing something and I'm
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: at this place. It's also– it baffles me, confidence. What
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: does it really mean? There was a period of time
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: where I felt like I did the first Ironman and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: then I went and did Tropic Thunder and then I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: was doing the first Sherlock and I had my shirt
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: off and I was doing martial arts. I was like–
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: all over the place. And it just felt like I was,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I was hitting triples no matter what I did. And, um,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and then people are like, are you really as confident
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: as you seem? And I was like, I guess right
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: now I am.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: And then, and I think this goes, I mean, this
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: reminds me, we were just talking about the, uh, um, McGregor, uh,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: cowboy fight coming up, you know, it's like, it's, you're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: going to go to that. I'm going to watch it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I can not watch it, you know, to, uh, Brilliant
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: souls who cannot lose. Neither one of them can afford
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to lose this fight. Wow. That is a matchup.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Particularly, Cowboy doesn't want to lose.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Heck no.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: But there's this guy who's the poster child. The guy
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: who's the one, right? The chosen one. That's Connor. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: then there's Cowboy who's like, I think I can fuck
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that guy up.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: The journeyman.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So confidence, you know, there's been times when I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: felt I'm in possession of it. And then you want
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to let go a little bit because it's only ever
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the moment and life guiding you. The wind is so
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: at your back that you're like, wow, are you just,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: are you just, you know, jumping over the waves and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: all that by yourself? And you're like, you bet I am.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: But there's a physics to the moment, man, moment, machine, whatever.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And the wind's at your back. And then The wind
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: does what the fucking wind does and it changes. And
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: if you're left there thinking what– so I think it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: great to be in full possession of what you would
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: call supreme confidence and then see what happens if you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: don't hold on to it so hard because it's great.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But it is a bit of an illusion because like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: everything else, it's always changing. And every day, the reset button,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the space bar gets pressed and it's like now what? Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: The reset button. Yeah. That, that, that you, you kind
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of have to have a confidence to jump into some
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of the roles that you've taken though. But I, I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: see what you're saying like that. You don't want to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: hold onto it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Because it could come and go. I remember, uh, Warren Beatty,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: who I learned so many amazing things from, uh, I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: was doing a movie called the pickup artists with Molly Ringwald.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that movie.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. And he was kind of the de facto producer
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of it, uncredited. And, uh, He taught me a lot
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: about just acting and what it was. And he said,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: what's your action in this scene? And I was like, oh, no,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he's asking me. I was like, my action, I'm picking
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: up girls. He goes, what's your action in this scene?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm driving a car. And he
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: asked me like, you know that thing sometimes when someone
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: asks you a question and just you get caught flat footed.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And he goes, no, your action is you're trying to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: go to work, but you're getting distracted by this person.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: addiction you have to trying to get laid so your
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: action is you're trying to get to work and i
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: was like oh yeah he's right and he said always
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: know what your action is because then when you come
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in in the morning confident or when you come in
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: in the morning you can't hit your ass with both
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: hands you know what to do so to me one
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of the great lessons i learned from him was oh
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: yeah just boil down what it is you're doing whether
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: there's a camera around or just what am i doing
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: today Today I'm showing up and I'm trying to be
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: honest and also to listen and learn. But really my
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: action today is I'm beginning a process of promotion.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Warren Beatty is another guy who learned how to put
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: his guns down.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember watching that Madonna movie. Remember when he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: was dating Madonna?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Truth or Dare. Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And he's hanging around with her. She's in the throes
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: of fame and everything. And he's like, what in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: fuck is going on here?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's never seen it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's an older gentleman now. He's the best.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And he's hanging out with her and just shaking his head.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: And that kind of marked it for me where Warren
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Beatty just realized, all right, let me step away real quick.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: If I had to talk to him, one thing I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: would ask him is, what was it like when Carly
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Simon writes a song about you? That's got to be
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a trip.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: So many. I mean, we should do a whole session
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: just about things I learned from Warren Beatty.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I would imagine. He's a brilliant guy. Clearly. Do you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: think that you could do Tropic Thunder today? Would that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be possible?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, you could do it. And again, like, Eddie, you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I look back to me, that movie to me was
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a circle back to my dad's movie called Putney Swope.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: which I highly recommend anyone who hasn't seen to see,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: about a black guy who takes over an ad agency
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in the 60s because everyone votes for him when the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: head of the company dies because they think no one
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: else will. And it's about what happens when someone who
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: is free-spirited takes over an essentially corrupt endeavor. And then
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he realizes and confronts his own corruption. But– I remember
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I was probably two or three when that was being
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: shot and when it came out and it was so
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a part of my upbringing. And I just remembered some
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of the folks that were around my dad at that time.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And so when Ben called and said, Hey, I'm doing
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: this thing. And, you know, I think maybe Sean Penn
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: had passed on it or something like that, possibly wisely. And, uh,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I'll do that, and I'll do that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: after Iron Man. And then I started thinking, this is
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a terrible idea. Wait a minute. And then I thought, well,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: hold on, dude. Get real here. Where is your heart?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And my heart is, A, I get to be black
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: for a summer in my mind. So there's something in
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: it for me. The other thing is I get to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: hold up to nature the insane– self-involved hypocrisy of artists
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and what they think they're allowed to do on occasion.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Just my opinion. And also Ben, who is a masterful
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: artist and director, probably the closest thing to a Charlie
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Chaplin that I've experienced in my lifetime. He writes, he directs,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: he acts. If you had seen him when he was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: directing this movie, you would have been like, I'm watching
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: David Lean. I'm watching Chaplin. I'm watching Coppola. He knew
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: exactly what the vision for this was. He executed it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It was impossible to not have it be an offensive
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: nightmare of a movie. And 90% of my black friends
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: are like, dude, that was great.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: What about the other 10%?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't disagree with them, but I know
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: where my heart was. And I think that it's never
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: an excuse to do something that is out of place
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and not of its time. But to me, it was
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: just putting a, it was a blasting cap on And
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: by the way, I think White Chicks came out pretty
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: soon after that. And I was like, I love that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, that was great. So, you know.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it might be the last time we see that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Unless things change. It seems like no one can really.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think you could do blackface anymore. I mean,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: we almost lost the prime minister of Canada because he
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: did brownface. He pretended to be Saudi Arabian, right? He
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: did Arabian Nights in high school or something like that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It's interesting and. Necessary meditation on where is the pendulum,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: why is the pendulum right, where is the pendulum maybe
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: cutting a little into what could be perceived as part
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: in the right place, openness of its time. But again,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a morality clause here on this planet
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and it's a big price to pay and I think
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: having a moral psychology– is job one. So sometimes you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: just got to go, yeah, I effed up. Again, not
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in my defense, but Tropic Thunder was about how wrong
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that is. So I take exception.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: No, it's– I think you could do it today.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I think you could. I think it could be done today.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: There would be so much outrage, but there would also
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: be people cheering. And if we boiled down all the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: bullshit and got to the actual result of what the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: film did, it's fucking hilarious. I watched it again about
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. It's a great movie.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's a great, fun movie. I mean, it's ridiculous, over
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the top, hilarious, and it worked. And your portrayal, I mean,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it wasn't egregious. It was necessary. It made sense. All
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of it fit. There's square pegs and square holes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking square pegs. I don't know why. Oh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about Sarah Jessica Parker on the ride
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: over here. Isn't that crazy? I think I drove by–
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: is it that Warner Park near here?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I think she went to school over there when she
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: was doing her show. Anyway, interesting.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It worked. But it was– it might be the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: last time we'll ever see a studio take a chance
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: on a guy wearing blackface and the prolific use of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the word retard. Those are two things.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: By the way, that's– Ben– the funny thing too was
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: all the heat got deflected to Ben and Simple Jack. Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: That's what people were pissed off about. And I go, woo, great.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But you never know when it's going to be your
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: time in the barrel. Sometimes life just says, you know what?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And I've been on both sides of that coin. Sometimes
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: life just says, you're a symbol now.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Did you have anybody that was telling you not to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: do it? Were there a bunch of agents or anyone?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: My mother was horrified.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Bobby, I'm telling you, I have a bad feeling about this.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, me too, Mom. But anyway, how
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: are we?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: First day on set when they're putting the makeup on you,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: how hard are you sweating?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: There's been a couple times. I was all the night before,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and we were on Kauai, and I was like, well,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: here we go. And I was just running. I think
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I had six lines that day. But I knew that
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: there was going to be choppers. There was going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: be squib fire. There was going to be choreography. There
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was going to be, you know, it was going to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: be cacophonous. And the only thing that mattered to me, again,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: what's my action? My action as an actor in this
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: movie is to know what I'm doing. Even if what
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm doing is insane. So I ran those six or
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: eight lines I had a thousand times.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So the next day, I was
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: free to enjoy myself and not be struggling to wonder
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: what it was I was supposed to be doing. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: then that's what it is. It was just, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it was one little mosaic after the next. And by
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the end of it, I had some pride that AI
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: had made it through. Forget that it was, you know, blackface.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It was special effects makeup. day after day after day
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: after day after day after day after day, except for
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the times when I would have my bleached hair and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: blue contacts in my eyes or, you know, other characters.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And it was just a, it was a piece of
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: work I was doing. And I cared about doing it
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: as professionally and as honestly as I could.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So when you memorized lines, that's an interesting thing that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you said that you were free to, to do it. Like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: When you memorize lines, is there ever a part, like
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: when you're acting, where you have to think, like, okay,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: what am I supposed to say next? And how much
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: does that get in the way?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Look, I have a very broad band of tolerances. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: don't care if the people I'm with happen to not
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: know what they're doing or don't know their lines or
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: stepping on my lines or whatever, or want to change
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: their lines and my lines. And it's always a different uh, thing.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: It's like reading the room. It's like, you know, if
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I was a fighter, you go into the octagon and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: they go, you ready?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You ready?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And you go, and then you just do it. You
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: go in. But so I've had it where I would
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: try to be off book before everyone else. I would
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: get it down to an acronym. So if there was
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: a thousand words I had to remember, I would just
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: remember the first letter of each and I would put
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: it on a piece of poster board and then I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: would Stand away from it, not as far as you
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: and your archery set up over there, but far enough
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: away to where I can see it but kind of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: can't see it back when my vision was a little
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: more clear. And I would just run it and run
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it and run it. When I did the first Sherlock,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: we were rewriting it so much and I would have
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: pages and pages of stuff. I was like, give me
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: an earwig. And it helped me with my accent. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: then I started getting into like, you know what's so great?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I can finish work, go home, hang out with my
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: kids or do whatever I want to do, go train.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And in the morning, they can change it all they want.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I don't have to trip if it all– unless it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: some monologue that you want to really be committed to
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that's not going to shift. I just go like that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: So you'd put one of those little earpieces in and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: they would feed you the lines.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And now I've kind of gone as far as
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: you can go with that and I'll probably go back
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to a new method or a new version of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: old method.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: So it's basically improvisational. Like you– in the moment– like
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you decide with whatever preparation you're going to do for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: each role– How are you going to do it? Whether
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to go and memorize everything obsessively or whether
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you're just going to be a little bit more loose
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and free with it?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. It depends on the script too. Like Tropic Thunder,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Justin Theroux wrote that script with Ben. It was a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: really good script. I mean my missus who– next to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: my mother, probably more so is the opinion I was
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: really waiting on. And she was reading in the kitchen
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: laughing her ass off. She goes, this is so wrong.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: This is so wrong. And she goes, and it's so true.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: If you do this right, you're doing something that's– it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: about a bunch of self-involved idiots somehow or other becoming heroes.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And she goes, I love that. If that's what it stays,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: then it's going to be good. And so like for
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: instance the never go full blah, blah, blah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You don't want to say it.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: By the way, I guarantee you, I'm getting out of here.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: My stock is not plummeting when I leave here. I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: not smoking dope. I'm not doing a musk. I'm going
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: to do everything right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Your stock went up the next day.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Drop six went up nine.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: With who?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I love that you now have it. Now it's a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: piece of art. Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: With 6% in the smoke. God bless his heart.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just changes. It just changes. And I also
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: know that I don't really... know that much and it's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: different every time anyway. But some, I really like when
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you have a loose concept of what you're doing. There's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: certain parts that aren't going to change much and the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: rest you discover. So the first Iron Man, I mean,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: John and I and the, and the writers or John
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and I, we, we were just would write, you write
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a line, I'll write a line. And then we would,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: we were literally watching the puppies be born as we
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: did it. Frustrating for people who not Gwyneth, because she
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: can look at a piece of paper and, and then go, okay,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I get it. And she's got it all memorized. She's amazing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: But what's for the highest good? Sometimes it's very self-indulgent
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to come in and like, you know, hand out new
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: pages or say, oh, I'm not saying that. So feed
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: me that. You know what I mean? You need an
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: environment of respect, but I like I like discovering things
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: how much.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Of acting is managing those weird relationships that you have
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: with these other people that you're acting with like you've
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: made some references to like people changing other people's lines
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and not being prepared I got out of acting for
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that very that was the thing that I I went
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: from a world of stand-up comedy which are just a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of crazy people to actors, which are a bunch
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of crazy people, but in a different way. And the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: managing all the different characters and all the different personalities,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: how hard is that? That seems like that could really
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: get in the way.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sure it can. And it's like a thumbprint.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Every time you're on a new project, it's a completely different,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: you know, fingerprint. You never know what you're going to get.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And Sometimes projects seem blessed and sometimes you could say
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: they're cursed. But again, my Susan Downey Esquire was talking
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: about this yesterday. She goes, it's the only thing you
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: can't overcome as a creative producer on a big movie
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: or anything is. In principle, no matter what happens, you
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: can fix it. We lost the light. Oh, the thunder
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of the weather came in. OK, he got sick. Oh,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: she's oh, she's pregnant. OK, great. Change the costume. You
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: can't overcome that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the relationships that people have with each other. Do
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you meet up before you commit to a role? Do
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you ever say like, I want to meet Captain America
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and find out what the fuck that guy is really like?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: By the way– I mean, I love that you think
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I'd have the authority. Did you cast this guy? All right,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: let me get a taste of him. I'll tell you
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: if he can stick around.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested in doing that, but can we all
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: have a group dinner or something like that?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Can I meet these guys? My MO is always let's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: mind meld. Let's get together. Let's work weekends. Let's spend
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: time together because you can't replace that familiarity. So you
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: have to try to build it. And sometimes it happens
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: very naturally. Like I adore Chris Evans. I can't even
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: tell you why. He's a Boston guy. He's technically such
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a brilliant actor, but he also doesn't take himself seriously.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: He's flaky, but he's the first guy you would want
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to have your back if something went down. And yet
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: we're different enough where I feel like by being who
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: we are and then both having those characters, we were
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: able to– I think– I thought Civil War was a
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: special moment. in the arc of the Marvel films about
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: turning one against the other and what it meant and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and so sometimes you just get lucky as a matter
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: of fact the whole Marvel universe possibly without exception just
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: happens to be a really well what do you call
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: that when you when you put together something curated group
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: of souls.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Well it's interesting because people take superhero movies seriously now
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: like now superhero movies are films that happen to be
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: about superheroes whereas you know for the longest time superhero
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: movies were bullshit you know the TV shows were kind
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: of clunky they were campy you know it was Batman
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: with the silly pants on and Robin I bought it
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: everything was bang boom bang remember you'd see the big boom.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: In front of the screen and yet who was in
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: The first Superman, Brandon.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So there was always a seed of an attempt to
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: legitimize something that was otherwise two-dimensional.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Superman was probably the first film that really did that, right?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: And then Batman.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And then the Batman series. But again, how many goddamn
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Batmans have there been? Right.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I want to see what Pattinson does.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. He's going to be Batman now.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I like that guy.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: How many Spider-Mans have there been? That's the most, right? Three.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Only three? Yeah. And three Hulks, right? At least. One, two, three.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Not counting the TV show.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Counting the TV show.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Four. Counting the TV show.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Eric Bana.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Norton.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Mark. Mark Ruffalo.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Ruffalo.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Who I think is, he's my favorite.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: He was just born for it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's perfect.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: You believe him. Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And again, his whole thing was what's my action is like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you know what? I got an anger problem.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: How do you guys manage this giant CGI thing? Like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: how does that work? Like when you're on the set,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that seems like one of the weirdest parts about acting
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in some of those Avenger films is how much of
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: it is actually digital.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just kind of get used to it. I'll digress.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I did a movie with Richard Linklater called A Scanner Darkly.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And it was rotoscoped.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Great fucking movie.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I love that movie. Love him. And Keanu and I
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and Woody and Winona and it was this cool thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And we would shoot these scenes and he would say, oh,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you can just leave your body mic on the outside
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: because we're just painting the whole thing. So that rotoscoping
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: is a great metaphor for essentially what the Marvel movies
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: became when sometimes you would even go and I'm supposed
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to come in and like, you know, throw something and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: it was off camera uh but everything else was great
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: oh we'll just move your arm later and you go
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: wow so you never want to rest on your laurels
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: and say you know but after a certain while i
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: was like why am i wearing this this uh this
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: football suit just put some dots on my shoulders so
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: i can move more freely and they'd be like all
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: right i go to honestly what are you really using
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: this all this stuff i'm wearing for they go for
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: reference I go, great. So I'll wear it for one
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: take and then I'll take it off and I'll relax
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But then other people would be like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: or Bettany would be like, I'm stuck in this fucking thing, Don.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: You know, just paint it purple. So everybody got to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: join in on the joys and the miseries of the, uh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of the, the technical challenge of doing it. And speaking
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: of Ruffalo, by the end, because he's smart Hulk, he literally,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: they were just making him big wherever he was. And
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: they put a little, you know, a, uh, a piece
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: of PVC with a big Hulk head up about five
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: feet over where his head was. And he was just
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: there in a green suit. So in a tracking suit
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: with like his package out, you know, and he'd be like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: can I, let me just at least tie like a
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: little sarong around my, come on guys, whatever, you know?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And so I think Mark went about as far out
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: into the ionosphere of, uh, of CG as you can.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't get the whole smart Hulk thing. I didn't
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: get how he figured that out. It wasn't really. Hulk
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be Hulk. Right. It's supposed to be
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the altar. It's like one you can control. One is
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the genius scientist.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: One is the beast.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: But after so many times, and again, this is the
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: genius of the people who break and shape stories over there.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Feige and his team, as they go, He's Hulk and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: then he's not Hulk. He's Hulk. It's a big battle. Oh,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: he's so conflicted. What if he could meet himself in
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the middle? And then what corner have we painted ourselves
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in by having him meet himself in the middle because
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: then you can't– if that doesn't work, you can't go
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: back to the way it was. You've done it or
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: you can go back to the way it was. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I just think that the real genius of the Marvel
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: creative team is they– and the Russo brothers who did
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the last few Avengers Infinity War and Endgame is they go,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: we love writing ourselves into a corner. We love it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Because then it activates all of those how do we
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: get out of purgatory juices and then you get the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: next right idea.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Now, when you guys sit down and when you first
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: receive a script for one of these things, do they
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: consult with you? Do they discuss this with you? Do
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: they just lay it out and say this is the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: character arc? How do you feel about this? What do
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's changed over time. I think if you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: one of the folks who has their standalone movies like
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Scarlet has Black Widow coming out, I think you take
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a– I would. You take a bit of a different
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: tack in how much meaning– I think the phrase, the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: legal phrase for actors in studios is meaningful consultation, not
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: script approval because then anybody could hold a studio hostage
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: because I don't approve this. $ 30 million that you're trying
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to spend right now. So your schedule is fine.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: When you say, I don't approve. I picture a bathrobe
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and I pictured fine China and tea cups. That's my picture.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I don't approve. And then just storming off.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I've had my moments too, cause I'm so passionate about story. Um,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: but again, after more seat time with the same people
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and new people coming in and, and getting a, a
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: pretty brutal education on what kind of, uh, process these
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: movies require, you just start trusting more that they're thinking
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: on your behalf. And also, little things are easy to change.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Big things become a inconvenience to the higher good. And
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: at what point do you want to pull the air
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: brake on something where the train's already leaving the station?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I would imagine it would be a fine line
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that they want the actor to be comfortable with the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: character and they want some– and maybe some feedback would
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: be beneficial. But they're also– they have a path, a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: vision that they've created.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: To see you somehow or another, at least morph slightly
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to get on this path.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, after I had my
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: second round of kids with Susan, I became both artistically,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I had a bit of a renaissance when I was
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: doing the third Iron Man. And then after that too,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, now I'm going to do this
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Avengers and there's so many moving parts and it's so
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: difficult just to get all these schedules to coincide and
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: get everyone together. Then I'm not going to be like,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling it. So again, it's that thing. It's sometimes,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: what do they say? Faster alone, further together. Sometimes you
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: can only think about further because you got to get downfield.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Other times you're thinking, hey, this is my moment to run.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: And I need a little help and a little approval
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and I need a little leeway. But that's any creative endeavor.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I would imagine when you're involved in something that's so epic,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: when it's actually over, it probably almost seems surreal because
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the production is so massive. There's so many moving pieces.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: There's so many special effects, so many things that you
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: have to sort of visualize while you're doing it. And
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: then after it's all over, you're done. And what is
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: it like? what is a big Avengers movie? How many
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: months are you involved in this?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it could be some part of 18
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: months to two years, depending on how far out you are.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And then four to six months of principal photography and
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: then additional photography and then post. And then I always
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: include promotion, you know, from, um, yeah. From soup to nuts,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I think is the phrase soup to nuts. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: How's that work?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: That's a Joel Silver phrase. One of my, One of
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: my great, great friends and probably one of the greatest
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: big movie producers of all time. We did The Sherlock's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: with him. We did The Matrix series. My missus was
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: running his company for 10 years. Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: which is I think in some ways the best film
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I've ever done, wound up being a calling card. It
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: came out and it bombed. But Jon Favreau saw it
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and he said this guy could do an action movie.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And so that wound up being my calling card into
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: the Marvel universe. But to answer the question, it can
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: be anticlimactic like anything. I mean, this is surreal. You know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I never, I've maybe seen you around a little bit,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: but I feel like I know you because I see
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you all the time and I listen to you and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I'm a, I'm a, a martial arts nut. And yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: isn't it? Sometimes you, when you, when you get outside
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: of the fortunate, interesting, creative experience you're having, you kind
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of go like, it's very dreamlike. Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: My whole life's a dream. Yeah.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Except for the ramifications, the ramifications.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: When those come back and bite you in the ass,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you're like, yikes, this isn't a fucking dream at all.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: This could, this is dangerous. Yeah. I used to, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: remember the first time I met Phil Hartman, uh, I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: was stunned that I was actually like sitting, we were
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: at a stable read, uh, I was sitting across from him,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, how the fuck? You're a famous guy.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: You're a really famous guy. I've seen you in movies, man.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen you on television. Here you are, right there.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: How weird. And it seems it's very hard to be normal.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And then after a while, that becomes normal. And then
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that it becomes normal becomes surreal. And then
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it really feels like a dream. When I meet people
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: like you, we've just met an hour or so ago.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Yet instantly I feel like I know you.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange. But also you're not full of shit.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You know, when someone's not full of shit, it's pretty
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: easy to get to know them. You say something. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: say something back. Oh, I know how he works. I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: see what's going on in there. This is an actual human.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Here we go. We're talking.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: This is a good litmus too because you watch your
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: show pretty– and I just love it too because in
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: your show you literally– you just– you start– it's a
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: rolling start with you every time. You come into the
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: show and you're already kind of thinking about stuff. So
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: it feels very organic. And part of me even this
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: morning was like, I hope he looks into my eyes
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and doesn't see a complete and utter foolish fraud because
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I would probably believe him if he mirrored that back
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, that's a danger, right? Yeah, if you respect
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: someone and they think you're a fucking idiot, you're like, oh, no,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I might really be a fucking idiot.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: But there's been times when in just being myself, Someone
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: who I respect has looked at me and said, what
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: are we talking about?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: What are you even saying?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: And you remember that because it kind of stiff arms you.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: But part of those are good because it realizes, well,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: you were probably off on a fucking stupid tangent. Yeah.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: And that's part of being a person. Part of being
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: a person is like I don't know what the next
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: word out of my mouth is going to be right now.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: No one ever does. Unless you do. And if you do,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: it's kind of weird.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Some people are poker players. I respect some people that
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: are that because– there's a, an ability to, maybe it's
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: fear based, but I, I always appreciate people who, you know,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: as people like their icons or big shots or that
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: they hold a certain esteem and all of their texts
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: are very simple. It's like, yes, yes, we should fix that.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Is my favorite. Sure.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. On it. Yeah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No periods either. Like you don't have time to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: make a period.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Beats the all-caps texts.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like those at all. Those people are weird.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Although C.T. Fletcher, he sends me all-caps. I love him.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: But he's shouting at everything. Everything is a shout.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the surreal part is I think part of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the reason I'm still so interested, not just in life,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: but also getting to do what I do, is I'm
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a fan. I love... I love creativity. I love music.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I love culture. And the fact that I actually have
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a place in it while I'm observing it and digging
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: it is like it's an honor.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a beautiful perspective. And that shows in how
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you carry yourself and it shows in the work that
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: you do, that you do appreciate it. One of the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: saddest things is someone who's in an amazing position who
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate it. And that drives other people crazy too.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Like prima donnas drive people crazy for a variety of reasons.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But one of the big ones is you don't appreciate
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: how fortunate you are. And people love when people appreciate
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: good fortune and appreciate a well-earned position and are engrossed
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: in a beautiful life of something that they really enjoy
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and something that really inspires them. Right.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I need to be kept right-sized because I can
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: easily fall into self-seeking and depression and self-pity and judgment
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. It's a bit of a default,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: but I spend enough energy and I've had enough help
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: over enough years to actually just say, oh, that's just awful,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: destructive behavior. You're entertaining in your head, you know?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Bad patterns, just bad thought patterns. Yeah.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I think we could all fall into those. I'm ruthlessly self-critical.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: For me, sometimes it's very hard to step outside and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: just take a pause and recognize that not everything is
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: going to be right the first time you try it.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people that are really
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: great at things, it's one of the things about them
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: is that they're not very satisfied with their work. Like
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: they're always looking to improve it. They're always looking for
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: it to be better. And then that can start that
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: cycle in their head of self-loathing and anxiety and anger
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: at their performance or their work or whatever it is.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: And then that can lead to depression. That can lead
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to just self-hate.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what are your tolerances? Yeah. I'll be the
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: first to tell you, like, you know, do certain movies
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: or movie doing Tropic Thunder. One of the first, you know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Iron Man movies. I was like, I'd go over to
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: the monitor. I'd be like, play that back again. That
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: was so good.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Dude, let me see that again.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I need confirmation. Yeah. Because it's always a miracle. You
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: stayed in frame. You got the line right. Your eye
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: line was right. The lighting was right. The sensibility was right.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And you just look at it and you go, oh.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, I don't know, for me, it's
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: like the playback of the perfect Superman punch KO and
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: just go, show me that again. Or when we were
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: shooting Tropic Thunder, I had a little teaser clip for
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Iron Man, but it wasn't coming out until the next
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: year and we were going to go to Comic-Con. And I,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: so I got to see it and show it to people.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, I think that movie is going
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to do pretty good. And then when we went to Comic-Con,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: we saw it, but it used to be like that
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: with music too. Like I write music. I haven't for
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: some time, but you would write something and then you
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: just listen to it on the loop. Cause you go, wow,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that's not, I know that I was here and I
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: did that, but it feels kind of inspired and you
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: want to get all that stuff. But yeah, self-critical is
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: important as long as it doesn't bleed out into and,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Over the edges and just make everyone else miserable.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Right. Again, get out of your own way.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Again, I mean, that's one of the many tenets of life.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Learn how to get out of your own way with everything,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: including with creative endeavors. It seems like that. thing that
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: you said about music, most people who write things or
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: create things say that. They know they're doing it. If
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you make a great sculpture, you know you're doing it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: But where is it coming from? What is the idea
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: that manifests itself into this perfect thing That you could
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: step back and look at and it seems surreal. How
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: did I create that? Did I? I don't know if
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I definitely made my fingers move,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's me. Who wrote that music?
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Who performed it? I know you did, but there's a
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: thing inside you that sort of like tunes in to
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: this energy of ideas. And then it comes through you.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: And again, you kind of have to get out of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: your own way while you're writing something. And then when
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: it comes out, it's a weird feeling. It's not like–
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: like if you hammer a nail into a board, you
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: fucking are very aware you did that. You're very aware.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: But there's something about the creative process that's not– you're
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: not totally there. It's weird.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is you and it isn't you. Right.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: What does you even mean? I love it. You always
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: hear it too in sports. It's like, oh, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: how'd it go today, Federer? Oh, I was out of
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: my mind. I was not in my mind. It was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: a beautiful day, and I think you saw the results.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Fluid, effortless, poetic.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Well, fighters talk about that all the time, especially a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: counter shot. They land something, and they don't even have
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: any idea they're going to do it, and they did it,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and then it caused the knockout. It's their training manifests
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: itself in this one special, beautiful moment where bang, this
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: thing happens, and then they see the guy drop, and
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: they're like, holy shit.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And then– They walk away, and it's the work. There's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: so many things involved, right? There's so many moving pieces.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: You have to be working on your own mind to
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: learn how to get out of your own way. You
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: also have to be really engrossed in whatever the activity
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: is that you're doing, like obsessed, in love with it,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: passionate about it. And then you have to have the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: discipline to show up and actually do the work. There's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: so many different moving pieces, and it all has to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: be managed. And it's not solid. It's like a fucking
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: raft on the ocean. It's moving around. You're always trying
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to keep it moving and functional.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And it always seems unmanageable. And after it's over, you're like, ugh,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: how the fuck does that even work?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we call it the fader board.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: It's that weird thing.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: How do you get it all? And honestly, particularly in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the last 15 years when I started really taking martial
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: arts seriously, half the stuff that I've been able to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: do right in my creative career life are principles that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I learned on the mat with my Sifu. You know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: guard your center, keep your eye on the lead elbow,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: get to the blind side, you know.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: How often do you do that?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I started, I think I'm in the 15th or
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: 16th year. Sifu was over the day before yesterday. So,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of times a week. And if
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I'm working on something or if he can make it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: to location, we'll have long stretches where we're doing it
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: every day. And there's gratings. So you got to prep
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: for those, you know. So what are you doing?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Are you doing Kung Fu? Is it a very particular style?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Traditional Wing Chun. Really? Yeah. Which is.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Very underrated art form. Yes.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Also, so many trade secrets and so different than... how
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I see it when I'm looking at videos and that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: in UFC, everything is out in the open and it's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: discussed and you see in a lot of the Eastern stuff,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: there was a turf wars and we're not really going
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: to show them our footwork. We're not going to do this. So,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: but anyway, it's been a real deep dive with my Sifu,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Eric Orem, who's Sifu. My Sifu is a grandmaster, William Chung, renowned,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: kind of Hong Kong rooftop fights, all that stuff. Amazing lore.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: But very technical, difficult to build, and easy to use.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you very rarely see that in the UFC.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: One of the best fighters in the UFC uses it regularly.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson. Tony Ferguson uses trapping hands.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: The Mook Chung.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He grabs wrists and comes over the top with elbows.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: He does straight Wing Chun. He does it all the time.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: And he even practices on a wooden dummy.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I got my ass kicked by a wooden dummy for
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: about three years. And then I finally understood the principle
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: of don't fight force with force. And, you know, it's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: just nuts. So anyway, half the time, if I would
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: be in a critical artistic situation, I would just say,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: because Wing Chun problems are life problems. Life problems are
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Wing Chun problems. And I would just go back to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: how did this kind of relate to– because I don't
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: like getting clocked and getting my teeth knocked in because
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: we tend to– sometimes we glove up, but we're not
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: wearing mouthpieces. It's very– Why do you wear a mouthpiece?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: It's certainly not– because he's very good at pulling his punches,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and he's also even better at making sure that I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: don't accidentally hit him. But we get as close as
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: we can to what the real experience would be. But again,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: it's like everything. I'm sure a few clicks back down
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: the road, there's things that instructors were doing that would
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: be considered illegal to do to a group of students nowadays.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Not just a few clicks while I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: was coming up.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: That's what I would imagine.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They'd hit each other. that students would get beat
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: up it was a normal thing yes um you so
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: did you start training for Sherlock Holmes or you started
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: training before that.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't it absolutely coincided with my recovery and the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: two things just somehow or other seemed to to lock
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: in when and uh talk to you uh um Off
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: the record and afterwards about any and everything to do
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: with my recovery as far as it locked in with this.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It was an apprenticeship and it was an apprenticeship that
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: was contingent on me being in a certain headspace.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing too because it's a very
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: addictive thing. People get very addicted to martial arts and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: it's a good substitute for sometimes negative addictions. Bourdain, before
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: he died, he was obsessed with Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Yeah, became
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: really obsessed with it at 58 and got really good.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: He was training every day, and he was training twice
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: a day every day. So he went from when I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: first met him, he was chubby, he was smoking cigarettes,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: he drank every night, still kind of still drank every night.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: But he just did enough healthy things to keep his
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: body together. And then his ex-wife got really into jiu-jitsu.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And then he decided to follow her one day to classes,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: and he was kind of mocking it and laughing at
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: it at first and then became obsessed.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: And then really got good. I mean, he was– look
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: at how he won in a tournament. I mean– Oh,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah, he's fucking 60 years older. Jesus H.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: What's really crazy is a picture of him walking down
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the street in– I think they were in Rome, and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: he has no shirt on, and he's fucking ripped. Anthony Bourdain,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: full six-pack. Yeah, dude. He was obsessed. He would take
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a private every day. Look at him. Look at that photo.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. He's like 60-something years old there. So he
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: would take a private lesson every day, and then he
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: would take a class. So he would take a private lesson,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: sharpen up techniques, and then he would roll. He would
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: take group classes too, which is very critical. You've got
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to roll with different people. 100%. Yeah, and so he
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: was in there. And it became a good thing for
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: him to sort of become addicted to this positive thing.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for me, it wasn't going to be golf.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't going to be something passive like that, even
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: though I hear it's great. But it's just been a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: great gift. And it's also the thing where you're never done.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I made black belt five years ago for another grading,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: and now we're doing a lot of weapons stuff. That's awesome.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah, my Taekwondo teacher said something to me when
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I was very young. He said that it is a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: tool for developing your human potential. Wow. Yeah, and I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: never forgot that because I'm like, yeah, it's because it's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: really difficult to do. All martial arts are really– it's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: really difficult to get your body to move that way
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and to be able to be effective in a conflict situation.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: And if you can do it and you can do
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: it over and over again and you can overcome that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: difficult thing and you thought it was insurmountable and then
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: you figured out how to do it, eventually you get
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to this point where you realize, well, everything in life
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: is like that. Everything in life is like something– it's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: a puzzle. You have to figure out how am I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: approaching it wrong? What can I do to make it better?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: How do I get more competent at this particular skill
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: or this particular discipline?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the humility too. I mean if I've
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: noticed anything in the last couple of years just in UFC,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: which by the way, I was doing a Robert Altman
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: film called The Gingerbread Man back in the 90s and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: UFC had just started off and I was getting the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: VHS tapes and watching them. And so when they go
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: back on the 25 years ago, I was like, I've
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: been there from jump.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: But we watch– it's just that thing of no matter
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: what you think. the tides are changing quickly.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: And you just got to keep working.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that was a real wake-up call for a lot
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: of martial artists was the UFC because a lot of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the stuff that they were doing really wasn't effective. Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: They thought it would be if everybody was playing by
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the rules in the dojo and sort of following along
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: the– but once you really saw an actual caged event
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: where people were just going balls out, you realize, oh,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff just doesn't work.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I love how messy it was at the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: beginning too because the style matchups were so– they were
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: almost laughable until you saw the violence.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: And no weight classes. You and I share another passion,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: resto mods.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: You have a, what is it, a 1970 Mustang?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that 302. I did a Speedcore, a
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: couple other ones.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Speedcore does amazing stuff.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: They're great.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I saw that they were doing your car,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I go, oh, this is going to be good. You
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: picked a unique color, too.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the only.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at that thing.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's back east right now. That's a good car
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: for straightaways. That's a nice Long Island car. Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. But the beautiful thing about something like
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Speedcore is they're going to take that car and make
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: it so that it's manageable. You can actually drive it.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: If you drove a real 1970s stock car, it would
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: be horrific. And it's amazing how far we've come. Those cars,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: it's like you're blindfolded as you're driving. You're sort of.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: aware of what the car is going to do as
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you turn the wheel, but not really.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: No. To me, it's like a crop duster without wings.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Every time I start, I just go, Jesus Christ, man.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: I got kids.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I got kids.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: And also, since I threw my hat in the ring
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: with this kind of green technology initiatives, I'm probably going
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to wind up auctioning them all off, to be honest.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Drove a little BMW electric car here. I saw.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I saw. I started laughing when I saw it pull
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: into the park. I'm like, okay.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: You got to do what you got to do. I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: have a Tesla.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I'll hold on to a few.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to hold on to that one, man.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: You got to. What is this?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: That is a tarantula hawk that Maynard Keenan from Tool
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: sent me from his farm in Arizona. Oh, that's fantastic.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: We were talking about it on a podcast. And he's like,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen one? I go, no. And then
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: a week later, one arrived in the mail.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Let me see what this says.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't read.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: By the way, have I been too far off mic
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: this whole time?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: No, you're fine, man.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: We're good.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: You could give me a sign.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Jamie's a master. He knows how to handle this. I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: know you have a lot of other shit to do,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to let you get out of here.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: But I just want to say it's an honor. Honor
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to meet you. Likewise. A real pleasure to sit down
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: and talk to you. I appreciate you taking your time
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: and best of luck with everything.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Just flew by, pal. I'll be back. Trust me.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Okay. I hope you do. I hope you do come back. Bye, everybody.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I wanted to get to? There's a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: guy named Bran Faron. Have you heard of him?