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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz and NBA, Play-In Tournament begins tomorrow, Doc Rivers out in Milwaukee + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz. What's former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us.
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  Speaker 3: Will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day A list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's O C with basketball sab on Gordy Chiaysa on
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show on a Monday. We're lucky enough to
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  Speaker 3: pack it all in here on a Monday because it's
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  Speaker 3: a short week for me. I'm out for a Thursday
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  Speaker 3: night fight nights in Belfast. Gordy Chiasa kind enough to
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  Speaker 3: adjust his schedule to accommodate mine. Can't tell you how
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  Speaker 3: grateful I am for James doing that, for Gordy doing that,
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  Speaker 3: for everyone here at ESPN seven hundred doing that. Gordy Chiasa,
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  Speaker 3: our NBA insider. Welcome on a Monday. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing fine, Sean, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So the NBA weekend guy, But I think
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more interesting. You've as the regular season
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  Speaker 3: comes to an end, You've got some job openings. We'll
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  Speaker 3: start there, Doc Rivers separated from his duties as a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people expected, and it's a two part question.
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  Speaker 3: What does it mean for Doc's future and what does
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  Speaker 3: it mean for the future of a franchise that has
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  Speaker 3: even bigger fish to fry potentially.
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  Speaker 1: Well, First nme, Doc is at eight sixty five, so
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  Speaker 1: on his contract is one more your left. He was
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  Speaker 1: there for three years and basically because Giannis is ups
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  Speaker 1: and downs and injuries and just the pieces don't fit,
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  Speaker 1: they struggle for the last three years and so Dox
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  Speaker 1: moves on. He might be in a consultant role for
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  Speaker 1: a franchise. It's all based on Johnie what he does
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  Speaker 1: this summer, and I'm sure the Bucks are going to
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  Speaker 1: do it's best for them. So Doc probably would retire
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  Speaker 1: and he did a great job. He said he's heading
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  Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame, and kudos to his Korea.
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  Speaker 3: To be fired in the same month that you head
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  Speaker 3: to the Hall of fame, uh, you gotta you got it.
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  Speaker 3: There's got to be some sort of like mixed messages,
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  Speaker 3: some some mixed emotions and something like that, because nobody,
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  Speaker 3: nobody likes being fired, even if you know it's all
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  Speaker 3: gonna be okay, because it is all gonna be okay,
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  Speaker 3: especially if you're someone like Doc Rivers, even if you're
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  Speaker 3: getting a buyout. Right, nobody likes being fired. But then
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  Speaker 3: you know, the thing probably comes off when even though
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  Speaker 3: the franchise told you, hey, we're done with you, the
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  Speaker 3: NBA itself, the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame is like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you're one of the best to ever do this. So like,
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  Speaker 3: what do you what do you think those mixed emotions are?
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  Speaker 1: Like for Doc, they're very high. He mixed emotions, but
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  Speaker 1: it's really a long term career both as a player
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  Speaker 1: and as a coach, and he's is tremendous. He's a
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  Speaker 1: player's coach at the compliment where he's very good with
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  Speaker 1: the players as far as communication skills. But again, the
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  Speaker 1: Bucks were dysfunctional and they will remember now they fired
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  Speaker 1: Agent Griffin showing his record were thirty and thirteen, which
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  Speaker 1: comes to sixty eight point winning and he let him go.
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  Speaker 1: And this just shows you that that so much is
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  Speaker 1: dominated by one or two players in that locker room
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  Speaker 1: and it was absolutely misresults. Now getting back to being fired,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting that room is now and it makes sense,
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  Speaker 1: is that the Bucks leading candidate to take the job
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  Speaker 1: would be taller Jenkins, who got fired the last week
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  Speaker 1: of the season in a twenty four to twenty five
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  Speaker 1: campaign with it with a tremendous record at at the Grizzlies,
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  Speaker 1: and he moved them on and now it's rumored that
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  Speaker 1: he'll be the head coach of the next of the Bucks.
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  Speaker 3: Do you like that fit?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely is a tremendous coach, telling Jenkins again, he's
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  Speaker 1: a good communicator, good strategist, and it's a new voice
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room with the Bucks feed like many
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  Speaker 1: teams do need when you're not winning or underperforming, and
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  Speaker 1: not like one year as an outlier, I mean, let
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  Speaker 1: me say two or three years in a row. You
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  Speaker 1: need a new person in the locker room to create
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  Speaker 1: more discipline and that's both on and off the court,
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  Speaker 1: and also have a vision and the accountability of a
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  Speaker 1: playing model of this is what we need to do
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  Speaker 1: to be successful with our group. And that's Taylor Jenkins
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  Speaker 1: did a good job at Memphis.
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  Speaker 3: How much will let's say the Jenkins is the guy,
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  Speaker 3: how much will that affect whether or not somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Giannis wants to come back and remain with the Bucks,
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  Speaker 3: or is that already a done deal.
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  Speaker 1: That's already a done deal him moving on. They need
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  Speaker 1: a change both the honest as a player and also
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  Speaker 1: as a franchise very much so that I was surprised
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  Speaker 1: they didn't try to do it last summer or at
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  Speaker 1: the trading deadline. But this this summer they will do
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  Speaker 1: it either before the draft or after the draft, that
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  Speaker 1: they will move them on. And the problem with the
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  Speaker 1: Bucks point of view, they're not going to get true
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  Speaker 1: value for him, knowing that the people that might take
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  Speaker 1: him won't give everything that the Bucks are going to
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  Speaker 1: be seeking, which are definitely players and multiple first round
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  Speaker 1: draft picks. You know, Rudy Gobert was with the catchword
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  Speaker 1: where when they traded him to the two Wolves, they
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  Speaker 1: got those four first round picks and that was an
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  Speaker 1: amazing thing as far as a whole. And it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like that's the benchmark of getting minimum at least two
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  Speaker 1: or three. That's at the minimum when you try to
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  Speaker 1: start player in his prime.
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  Speaker 3: How close to Giannis's prime is? He's still and like
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  Speaker 3: he's not old. He's played a lot of basketball, He's
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  Speaker 3: won a championship, he's been an MVP multiple times, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of of athlete aging is not
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  Speaker 3: years but miles. So the next place for Yiannis are
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  Speaker 3: they getting of his best? Are they getting a ninety
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  Speaker 3: percent version of the best we've seen of Gianni's How
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  Speaker 3: would you quantify that?
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  Speaker 1: Eight Right now, he's heavy, thirty two years young on
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  Speaker 1: the December sixteenth. This is this is this thirteenth season
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA. That's a lot of heavy lifting. And
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  Speaker 1: he's acrobatic, which means why you will create up in
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  Speaker 1: the airplace which means you crash down to the floor.
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  Speaker 1: And so usually speaking, when you're a high kangaroo jumper,
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  Speaker 1: when you do fall to the ground, it eventually affects you,
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  Speaker 1: not that moment, but long term on your lower part
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  Speaker 1: of your body. So he's still absolutely an all star player,
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  Speaker 1: but he's coming, not to the end, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: in the horizon as far as him, he could be
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  Speaker 1: an elite player because again he has talent, but the
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  Speaker 1: next will say three years, and then then it might
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  Speaker 1: be a slight drop. There's always an exception to that.
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  Speaker 1: But Jannis, and also Janni's his whole game is based
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  Speaker 1: on getting to the top of the basket. And he's
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  Speaker 1: still all these years, he's still jump shot. It's still suspect.
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  Speaker 1: So whoever it takes and has to know that on
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  Speaker 1: their team that they have to have around him other
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  Speaker 1: primitive shooters to counter punch what he does roll as
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  Speaker 1: drive to the basket and what he does what he
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  Speaker 1: does less is being a shaky premitive shooter.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy James is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 3: Schill talking big picture in the NBA right now. If
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  Speaker 3: if you take a look at the most likely bracket
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  Speaker 3: and the play in teams, are any of the play
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  Speaker 3: in teams in your mind capable of winning a for
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  Speaker 3: them second round series?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that would be because of their experience. That
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  Speaker 1: would be the Clippers. The Clippers could surprise people if
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  Speaker 1: they get past the Warriors, which they should, and then
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  Speaker 1: they would play. They would probably play the Thunder. But
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  Speaker 1: when I say play, I mean as far as knock
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  Speaker 1: somebody off. I think they would give them a good series,
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  Speaker 1: though I think they're still lose more more like four
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  Speaker 1: games to two, so everyone else, though probably it will
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  Speaker 1: be no competitive I remember now, as you said right
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  Speaker 1: now that showing back in the twenty three season, the
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  Speaker 1: only team ever to be to reach the NBA Finals
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  Speaker 1: after competing in the playing tournament was the Mammy Heat.
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  Speaker 1: So think about the Heat. There were the eight seed,
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  Speaker 1: they won the play in tournament, they beat the Brocks
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  Speaker 1: ironically right on point with Giannis, and then they beat
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  Speaker 1: the Knicks in the semi finals. Then he beat the
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  Speaker 1: Celtics four games to three, and they lost in the
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  Speaker 1: finals four games to one to the Nuggets. So if
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  Speaker 1: all they do serves that say, it doesn't mean anything
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  Speaker 1: to play in tournament for the players, it does, but
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  Speaker 1: it gives a team a ray of hope that because
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  Speaker 1: of injuries during this season and other circumstances, they almost
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  Speaker 1: get a do over to try to show everybody that
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  Speaker 1: we can still be a very highly competitive team by
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  Speaker 1: knocking off somebody in the playoffs. So it does happen.
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  Speaker 1: The most recent was the Heat back in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: All right, focusing in on Jazz basketball, which, let's be honest,
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  Speaker 3: not that fun to do when they're racing toward the
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  Speaker 3: bottom of the NBA for obvious and for good reasons probably,
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  Speaker 3: But they close out as has become tradition against the
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers, and the starting lineup is Blake Hinson,
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  Speaker 3: Cody Williams, Oscar sheeb Way, Ace Bailey, who I will
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  Speaker 3: exclude from the question I'm about to ask you, and
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  Speaker 3: bes Meghan Man, excuse me if I take Ace out
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  Speaker 3: of that conversation, and maybe I throw in Let's throw
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  Speaker 3: in John Conchar, who came off the bench for twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight minutes. He was then the most active bench player
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  Speaker 3: for the Utah Jazz against the Lakers. So Hinson, Williams,
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  Speaker 3: chib Wai Bang and Conchar. Which of those guys as
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  Speaker 3: the Jazz turned the corner and hope to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a competing team next year, maybe flirt with the play
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  Speaker 3: in or even the playoffs next year. Which of the
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  Speaker 3: guys that I just mentioned that we saw a lot
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  Speaker 3: of against the Lakers are going to be the most
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  Speaker 3: important piece for the Utah Jazz when they're actually trying.
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  Speaker 1: Two players Cody Williams, who's had a good sophomore season
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  Speaker 1: as far his development, and also John Conchar, who's not
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  Speaker 1: almost like a chility player, where at six seven he
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  Speaker 1: plays bigger than his size and his contract is cost
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  Speaker 1: certainty at six point five million dollars. So both those
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  Speaker 1: guys will be back and to Cody Williams usually probably
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  Speaker 1: off the bench, which is fine, and Contra should be
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  Speaker 1: like usually speaking would be the ninth or tenth eleventh man,
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  Speaker 1: but are ready for action, those two guys would be back.
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  Speaker 1: As far as the Jazz season showing, let me add
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  Speaker 1: to this is as we go talk about the Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: This year, the Jazz finished twenty two and sixty for
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  Speaker 1: the second stain season of losing sixty games or more,
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  Speaker 1: which is a part of the master planet to get
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  Speaker 1: deep in the playoffs eventually once they get their roster
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  Speaker 1: in play. So the three guys that this off season
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  Speaker 1: that Jazz are going to focus on are Keante George
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  Speaker 1: development again, he had a he had a stellar again
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  Speaker 1: a season this past year before they shut him down,
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  Speaker 1: Ace Bailey as a guy that's a really young player.
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  Speaker 1: And then also Larry Marketing, we forget about him. So
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  Speaker 1: in the off season they've got to figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to make Larry Marketing stronger, but with his core his
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  Speaker 1: core strength and his chal speaking because they need Larry
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  Speaker 1: Walkining showing. You mentioned four about possibly flirting for a
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  Speaker 1: playoff bid or definitely in the playing tournament. Do you
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  Speaker 1: realize that Larry Wlkin has missed the last three years
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  Speaker 1: a total of one hundred and two games. Now some
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  Speaker 1: of them they set him out purposely because of the tanking,
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  Speaker 1: but mostly because of injuries. So one hundred and two
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  Speaker 1: games Larry and Malkining has not played, including forty games
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  Speaker 1: this season. So when he's in the lineup, he's a
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  Speaker 1: knockdown shoot. They've got to get him healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Is there anything the team can do in order to
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  Speaker 3: improve that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, just again be with them molded time. As far
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  Speaker 1: as what's evaluated offseason conditioning, what's it like, as far
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  Speaker 1: as strength, strength, as far as habits, what are you
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  Speaker 1: working on? And also is basketball skills and so I
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  Speaker 1: would just monitor it because they need him, so they
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  Speaker 1: could do a lot of different things, maybe more flexibility,
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  Speaker 1: just more of Tredi Mobbs like to say both strength,
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  Speaker 1: definitely core strength. A lot of times when you're injured,
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  Speaker 1: it's based on your core. And so whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: once the doctors decide and the trains decide, they got
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  Speaker 1: to really be conscious of it because they need him
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  Speaker 1: to be successful. So she'd been exciting off season for
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  Speaker 1: the Jets. The Jazz have good players when they're healthy.
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  Speaker 1: They are solid. Now from a big standpoint. Defensively, that's
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  Speaker 1: where it starts and it ends at the Jazz. The
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  Speaker 1: last two seasons were either ranked twenty ninth or thirtieth
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  Speaker 1: back to back seasons as far as the worst team
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA defensively. So as you talk about scoring
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  Speaker 1: the ball, which they're very efficient at, they've got to
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  Speaker 1: get collectively and individually more determined with accountability to defend
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  Speaker 1: both side, defend the ball and to rebound.
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  Speaker 3: With Walker Kessler back in, with Jaron Jackson Jr. Hopefully
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  Speaker 3: in and healthy. Obviously your system, the way your coached,
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  Speaker 3: how you make take defensive shape is going to be important.
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  Speaker 3: But are those guys leading a defensive charge going to
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  Speaker 3: be enough to elevate the Jazz and probably not to
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  Speaker 3: number one from twenty nine or thirty, but into the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the pack in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: No, because it all starts with ball containment. So if
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  Speaker 1: any defensive starts at the point of attack on the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and the Jazz historically for only they know that most
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  Speaker 1: players in the Jazz unfortunately do not guard the ball
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  Speaker 1: on perimitive. If you're playing switch defense one through four
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  Speaker 1: or one through five, then you have to have ball
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  Speaker 1: containment and so even though Kesla is a good shot
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  Speaker 1: blocker and so is Jaron Jackson, their floormates have to
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  Speaker 1: be more determined. And that's based on tenacity and technique
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  Speaker 1: and toughness of ball containment. And that's how the jazz
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  Speaker 1: will get better. So if you do get off the dribble,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be much more limited time versus almost consistently. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's what they've got to address. And the second
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  Speaker 1: part of that, for far as being technical, is guarding
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  Speaker 1: screening action. That you've got to be able to guard
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  Speaker 1: screening screening action by lowing your shoulder and by understanding
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  Speaker 1: the technique of how to stay body on body. When
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  Speaker 1: a good shooter comes off of screen like say it's
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  Speaker 1: own like a Devin Booker because off a white screening action,
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  Speaker 1: how you're going to guard it? And what's the accountability?
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  Speaker 3: Gorty? What's your list today?
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  Speaker 1: All right? My list today, Sean? As the season is
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  Speaker 1: over right now? How to do this list? We haven't
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  Speaker 1: updated this since the last September before the season started.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. The NBA create leaders in most regular
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  Speaker 1: season triple double games, so Korea triple double games. What's
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  Speaker 1: a triple double? A triple double is recorded when a
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  Speaker 1: player registers ten h more and three of the following
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  Speaker 1: five game categories. They are one points, two assist, three rebounds,
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  Speaker 1: four steals, and five block shots. Prior to the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy four season, the NBA did not officially record steals
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  Speaker 1: or blocks. So here we go the top ten Korea
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  Speaker 1: triple double leaders. Number ten with this guy's injured this
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  Speaker 1: year Sacramento Kings. However, he's tenth all time. Domatas Sabonis
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  Speaker 1: of the Kings has sixty eight triple doubles Korea. Number nine.
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  Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain has seventy eight. Number eight. James Harden eighty
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  Speaker 1: two Korea triple doubles number seven, Luca Dantage ninety triple doubles,
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  Speaker 1: number six all time, Jason Kidd one hundred and seven
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  Speaker 1: number five, he plays for the Lakers. Lebron James with
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five number four, The Magic Man
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  Speaker 1: Magic Johnson with one thirty eight, number three all time,
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  Speaker 1: The Big Old Oscar Robinson with one eighty one number two.
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  Speaker 1: He plays for the Denver Nuggets. This season, he had
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  Speaker 1: thirty four triple doubles in sixty five games. He has
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  Speaker 1: a career total as we speak right now of one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety eight creat triple doubles, and the number
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  Speaker 1: one player in the NBA history with the most triple
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  Speaker 1: doubles is Russell Westbrook with two hundred and nine. Quickly,
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  Speaker 1: what about jazz basketball. The two leaders as far as
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  Speaker 1: career triple doubles as a Jazz member, it's Pete Marriage
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  Speaker 1: at seven and Mark Eaton at six And Sean, do
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  Speaker 1: you realize that this past season your use of nurkice
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  Speaker 1: had three triple doubles in the twenty five to twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixth season and very limited amount of games. Thus, that's
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  Speaker 1: my list of today.
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  Speaker 3: Your top ten, Six of the top ten if you
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  Speaker 3: were keeping count, there are currently active players and Joker
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  Speaker 3: will pass Russell Westbrook before it's all said and done. Wow,