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TMI: When Black Journalist are Under Attack with Guest Monique Pressley · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I am black blessed and Holly favored today, Tamika D. Mallory.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm black blessed Holly Favorite, but.
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  Speaker 3: Sure said, look black love, he.
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  Speaker 1: Blacks right, that's right, But that's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, my hands have been in the air like
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  Speaker 4: this for months, but definitely for the last few days.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I do. All that, I just go,
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take some deep breaths because it's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot, and we knew it would
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  Speaker 4: be this way, you know. I was talking to a
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  Speaker 4: person who runs one of one of the larger blogs
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  Speaker 4: and they said to me, it's worse than I thought.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a person who knew how bad it
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  Speaker 4: was gonna be and was calling us saying.
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  Speaker 1: What are we gonna do?
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  Speaker 4: How can we you know, slow this thing downstop it?
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  Speaker 4: Like they were already in co read this is bad.
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  Speaker 4: And they said to me, this worse than I thought,
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  Speaker 4: and I said, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's not worse than you thought.
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  Speaker 3: You knew.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you was calling and doing chats and trying
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  Speaker 4: to pull people together to have conversations. It's just watching
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  Speaker 4: it all happen is deeply like you feel deep grief.
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  Speaker 4: Because there was a way to get in front of it.
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  Speaker 4: It was a way to get in front of it.
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  Speaker 4: It does not mean that things would have been perfect,
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  Speaker 4: or that people who live on one thirty fifth Street
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  Speaker 4: and eighth Avenue, or the South side of Chicago or
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  Speaker 4: whatever community in Saint Louis and North Carolina, and places
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  Speaker 4: where folks had been distressed for generations upon generations upon
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  Speaker 4: generations of generations of family members who have grown up
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  Speaker 4: fighting the system, dealing with oppression, being shut out of systems,
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  Speaker 4: being mistreated in the workplace.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, having inadequate.
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  Speaker 4: Health care, having poor education, having housing insecurity, food insecurity.
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  Speaker 1: These things have been happening.
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  Speaker 4: So I recognize that. And now the woman who lived
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  Speaker 4: in the house or the community, who had the good job.
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  Speaker 1: That was able to donate to the thing and help
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  Speaker 1: with the cake.
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  Speaker 4: Sales and whatever the underground economy moving, she has also
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  Speaker 4: lost her employment, her contracts, her ability to do mental
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  Speaker 4: health support, youth programs. The Brothers who had money for,
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  Speaker 4: you know, an addiction prevention program or Biden's prevention program
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  Speaker 4: no longer had that. So on top of the fact
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  Speaker 4: that there were all these socioeconomic conditions that had existed
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  Speaker 4: for too long, now we have a structural thing that
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  Speaker 4: is designed to remove whatever little bit of protections and
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  Speaker 4: resources that we have from our community. And it's all
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  Speaker 4: happening at the same time, and it's very distressing, and
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  Speaker 4: so all day long, I just do this.
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  Speaker 1: That's my that's my.
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  Speaker 4: Only different because it's just it's a lot and so
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, yes, black blessed and highly favored, but.
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  Speaker 1: Experience and a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember in twenty eighteen when we marched through
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  Speaker 4: a monsoon for Blonso Castile and it we marched on
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  Speaker 4: the NRA and this was during the Parkland shooting. After
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  Speaker 4: Parkland shooting took place, we decided that the Women's March
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  Speaker 4: was going to organize a march that was from Parkland
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  Speaker 4: to Filando Castile. We went from the NRA headquarters and
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  Speaker 4: walked literally from Virginia to DC to the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 4: In the middle of monsoon floods and rain to bring
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  Speaker 4: awareness to how these things connect, that people can turn
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  Speaker 4: out by the millions to support students in a school
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  Speaker 4: which was real needs to happen, and act like Orlando
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  Speaker 4: Castill was nothing. And we and the and the n
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  Speaker 4: our raised response to our call for them to be
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  Speaker 4: more responsible in the moment and to speak out against
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  Speaker 4: the killing of Filando Castill was for them to put
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  Speaker 4: an advertisement because we were saying, we want to get
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  Speaker 4: rid of of of.
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  Speaker 1: Of assault weapons.
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  Speaker 4: And and I'm and I do believe in people's right
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  Speaker 4: to bear arms. So I'm not a person that's saying
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  Speaker 4: that I think all guns should be you know, people
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't have access to to guns at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's that's not my politics.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think people need assault weapons where they
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  Speaker 4: can shoot multiple people in seconds. I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: that's a necessary piece of artillery in our society.
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  Speaker 1: So we want to make sure that. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that you need.
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  Speaker 4: To have rigorous mental health and otherwise screening before you
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  Speaker 4: can even get access as to a regular gun that
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  Speaker 4: is not an.
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  Speaker 1: Assault weapon where you could kill people in seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So that's where I stand that's where my politics lie.
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  Speaker 4: And so when we started calling out the NRA, their
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  Speaker 4: response was to.
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  Speaker 1: Put out an act.
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  Speaker 4: You remember, they put an ad on TV online and
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  Speaker 4: on TV.
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  Speaker 3: With the lady's name who did it, and she said
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  Speaker 3: your name in it and oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Her name. She's the c she was at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where she is now, the CEO. I
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  Speaker 1: think Dana is something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Something did with w something DNA.
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  Speaker 4: Ana she was the CEO, did a piece I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: I think some of the other members of the Women's Marshals,
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  Speaker 4: Linda Property was in it. I don't remember, but I
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  Speaker 4: know that it was specifically targeting me and my the
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  Speaker 4: rate of calls, the death threats, and the people showing
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  Speaker 4: up at my speaking engagements, you know, with weapons and
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  Speaker 4: all that stuff, and the security had to be increased.
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  Speaker 1: It was a real thing because when the NRA puts
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  Speaker 1: a target.
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  Speaker 4: On you, the people who watched that and listen to it,
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  Speaker 4: they not just they don't have knives.
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  Speaker 1: These are people who own weapons.
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  Speaker 4: That's why they have access to the content, and they
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  Speaker 4: are paying attention to the NRA.
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  Speaker 1: So at that time they were like, you know, basically,
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  Speaker 1: we're the enemies.
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  Speaker 4: When they were asked to speak out on the situation
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  Speaker 4: with Filando Castile because he was obviously a licensed gun
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  Speaker 4: owner who said I have a weapon, a licensed and
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  Speaker 4: they police still shot him and killed him in front
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  Speaker 4: of his family. The NRA's first statement did not even
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  Speaker 4: include his name. They said full investigation, troubling investigation. Then they,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they cast some heat for that, and we
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  Speaker 4: was on the ass and other people.
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  Speaker 1: When they came. And this is before the women's mart
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  Speaker 1: this is in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: Then they came back with another statement that named Filando
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  Speaker 4: Castile and said it's a horrible tragedy and there's some
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  Speaker 4: things that could have been done differently, and people need
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  Speaker 4: to take our training so that they could which to
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  Speaker 4: me places some of the onus on Filando Castile, because
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  Speaker 4: why would you be talking about the training that citizens
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  Speaker 4: can take in order to protect themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So they caught a lot of heat for being.
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  Speaker 4: Ambiguous, taken a long time to respond, and then having
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  Speaker 4: a statement that did not squarely state that what happened
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  Speaker 4: to Filando Castile was wrong. But now that alex Pretty
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  Speaker 4: has been murdered by the state, their.
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  Speaker 1: Statement is very clear.
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  Speaker 4: The statement says, and I'm paraphrasing, you all can go
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  Speaker 4: look it up, that he was a law bidy citizen,
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  Speaker 4: that it is dangerous. They have gone as far as
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  Speaker 4: to respond on social media when the administration is saying
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  Speaker 4: that Alex pretty shouldn't have had the weapon and whatever.
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  Speaker 4: They have gone as far as to double down on
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  Speaker 4: the Second Amendment and to to say to to to
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  Speaker 4: to reply to those social media posts put their stamp
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  Speaker 4: on it being dangerous that there would be any implication
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  Speaker 4: that he did something wrong. They literally they have They
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  Speaker 4: have entered the chat in the ways in which people
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  Speaker 4: asked them to do when Filando cas Still was the
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  Speaker 4: subject of a shooting with a licensed weapon.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes me think about which this isn't my
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  Speaker 1: thought of the day, but it's important and we can
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  Speaker 1: move on.
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  Speaker 4: It makes me think about what examples white people need
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  Speaker 4: to be looking at in this moment to understand the hypocrisy, right,
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  Speaker 4: because I know white people are like, damn, some of
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  Speaker 4: us are out here, we're fighting, and we're being met
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  Speaker 4: with this constant reminder that white people now are getting
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  Speaker 4: shot and so you care, and you know, people keep
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  Speaker 4: on badgering black people been going through this going through this,
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  Speaker 4: going through this, and that sometimes might make a person
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  Speaker 4: feel like damn, like Okay, you know I have to
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  Speaker 4: keep hearing this and I'm out here and you just
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  Speaker 4: keep on coming at me. But it's things like what
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  Speaker 4: I just laid out that white folks need to be
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  Speaker 4: able to digest so that they can understand where this
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  Speaker 4: level of frustration comes from that we need to lay
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  Speaker 4: out for you examples of the same thing happening.
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  Speaker 1: And yet you as the NRA, which is an ultra
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  Speaker 1: conservative network, has.
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  Speaker 4: The they made the right choice to defend the white
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  Speaker 4: man and wouldn't even call Filando Castill's name.
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  Speaker 1: In their first statements.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's and that's why when people say
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  Speaker 2: is you you know, it's the same. It's never been
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  Speaker 2: the same, even the States Sanctionfoy, even the way that
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  Speaker 2: they killed they're killing us, but even the way that
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  Speaker 2: the response from the public when it happens, right, this
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  Speaker 2: is like you just said. The NRI has been very
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  Speaker 2: conservative and they always want to make sure that you
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  Speaker 2: know that carrying a gun is right, but they will
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  Speaker 2: never have that conversation when it comes to black people,
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  Speaker 2: like they will make sure that they stand up for
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  Speaker 2: the rights of gun owners when it's a white person.
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  Speaker 2: I have yet to hear them make any statement like
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  Speaker 2: that for a black person. So there goes your point.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of people are frustrated. And
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  Speaker 2: I say, excuse me, we're gonna all be frustrated because
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be people that don't get it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And they keep saying, you know, lett them people go
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  Speaker 2: out there, and I say, and I just and I'm
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  Speaker 2: very honest with it. And a lot of people don't notice.
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  Speaker 2: But most of the rallies that I go to, when
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  Speaker 2: it's big marches, it's not predominantly black people at these
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  Speaker 2: This is just the reality situation, and it's been for
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  Speaker 2: George Floyd. It's been for real and want people to right.
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  Speaker 3: This is not this is not new.
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  Speaker 2: So when people say, oh, let them people go, I'm
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  Speaker 2: like them people been outside. I've been outside hand in
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  Speaker 2: hand with white people that stood in front of me
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  Speaker 2: and said, let me that the police, you know, let
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  Speaker 2: me put my body in front of you. These are
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  Speaker 2: things that I know that happened. And because maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: not on the front line and you've never actually participated
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  Speaker 2: in any type of you know, rally, or march, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a protest, you don't know that, but these things are happening.
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  Speaker 2: So at the same time, I do think that white
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  Speaker 2: people definitely need to step up in this moment because
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  Speaker 2: this is the time that now the world is paying attention.
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  Speaker 2: These are things that are happened to white people and
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  Speaker 2: they need to be on the front line. They need
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  Speaker 2: to put themselves in jety like we've always done. But
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  Speaker 2: I also don't want you to think that they haven't
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  Speaker 2: been there just.
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  Speaker 4: Because somebody the lies the lies, because here's my issue
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to how they protests at the polls,
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  Speaker 4: the numbers don't be aligning. Sometimes it'd be weird that
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  Speaker 4: too on the street with him and it's millions of
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  Speaker 4: people and I And it's true that millions of white
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  Speaker 4: people have voted against XYZ and all of that, But
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  Speaker 4: the nobos don't be aligning, right because the numbers be
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  Speaker 4: looking like when you go to the polls, you be
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  Speaker 4: with your husband, and you make decisions based upon your
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  Speaker 4: family and your husband, and then when you come out
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  Speaker 4: here with us, you want to be in the movement
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  Speaker 4: and want to be telling.
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  Speaker 1: Us what to do. And that's why I made that
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  Speaker 1: I made a comment to a white man who tried
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  Speaker 1: to tell me about how yet, because I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: all over Eric Adams, the former man in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: because we're not gonna let him be comfortable. And he knew,
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  Speaker 1: he knows that I have.
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  Speaker 4: Had issues and take serious concern with some of the
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  Speaker 4: shit that Eric Adams did and.
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  Speaker 1: Said while he was mayor. So he's thinking that he
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  Speaker 1: has found an ally in me by telling me that
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  Speaker 1: they not.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna let Eric Adams rest everywhere he goes. They gonna
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  Speaker 4: let him know. And because of what happened with the
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  Speaker 4: white women on the plane where you know whatever on
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  Speaker 4: the plane or in the in the airport where she
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  Speaker 4: approached and heckled Eric and he's like, yeah, we never
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  Speaker 4: gonna let you know. That's what it's gonna be. And
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  Speaker 4: I shocked him because I said, hey, I hear you
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  Speaker 4: that we have the right to make people uncomfortable after
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  Speaker 4: they have done something that harms us as.
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  Speaker 1: A broader community, but not too much on the black man.
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  Speaker 1: When you have not heckled your mama, Your mammy and
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  Speaker 1: your pappy need to be heckled. Also because they have
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  Speaker 1: voted for this nonsense.
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  Speaker 4: They reinforced it, and in fact, many of them don't
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  Speaker 4: even like YO anymore because their morals and principles aligned
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  Speaker 4: with what they see.
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  Speaker 1: They just didn't want it to be public. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: sit at.
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  Speaker 4: The dinner table holiday time and I always ask white
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  Speaker 4: people Later Day weekend is the weekend before election every year,
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  Speaker 4: the general elections.
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  Speaker 1: What did you do to get yourself uninvited from Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 4: You shouldn't even be allowed to go to Thanksgiving because
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  Speaker 4: since we heckling people on Labor Day weekend. You need
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  Speaker 4: to tell your grandmammy, your your mammy and your pappy
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  Speaker 4: and the words of Tesla figure on that if they
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  Speaker 4: vote for these people, they're racist and they don't have
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  Speaker 4: and they're not worth.
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  Speaker 1: The life gud gig. That's what you need to be
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  Speaker 1: telling them.
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  Speaker 4: And if you ain't doing that, then running and chasing
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  Speaker 4: the black man down the hall, I ain't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not too, I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: That don't align with me because because the other thing,
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  Speaker 4: my son, the other thing is we took care Erican
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  Speaker 4: is straight.
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  Speaker 1: We said for and done, you're out.
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  Speaker 3: You gone.
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  Speaker 4: Black men overwhelmingly supported mom Donnie, and in the last
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  Speaker 4: I checked, they it was and it was early it
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  Speaker 4: was that you all black men was the number one
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  Speaker 4: voting block. But as the count has gone on, I
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  Speaker 4: haven't followed this, so it could have shifted. But nevertheless
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  Speaker 4: that was significant as an early exit pole.
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  Speaker 1: So we did that. We handled that already.
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  Speaker 4: Go get your mammy, your pappy, your grandmammy, and your
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  Speaker 4: friends and family.
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  Speaker 1: It's enough white people walking around the airport.
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  Speaker 4: You could go chase white men down and heckle them
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  Speaker 4: all night long.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm defin where I stand with it, so.
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  Speaker 3: You know I agree. I definitely agree.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, let me tell you about my thought of today,
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  Speaker 4: and I would make it real simple so we can
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  Speaker 4: go because we have. This is an interview coming up
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  Speaker 4: with someone who has been all day long sitting on
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  Speaker 4: the front line of the fight for freedom of speech
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  Speaker 4: by supporting Don Lemon and Georgia Fort and others who
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  Speaker 4: have been involved with these recent arrests, and particularly black journalists.
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  Speaker 1: So she's coming up my thought of the day today.
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  Speaker 4: Lizzie was on the Live and she was reading the
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  Speaker 4: comments section and someone asked her to comment on Nicki Minaj, which,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, I just want to say, for the record,
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  Speaker 4: I done told y'all what was going on with Nicki
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  Speaker 4: Minaj when it first happened, and the people lost their shit,
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  Speaker 4: and now everybody is quiet. They don't say anything anymore
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  Speaker 4: because she has proven that it's worse than what I thought,
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  Speaker 4: because I was trying to say, maybe she don't know
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  Speaker 4: what she's doing, and now it's clear she did. He
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  Speaker 4: does know, and it was all part of a rollout,
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  Speaker 4: And y'all argued me down that she said it's not
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  Speaker 4: about picking side. It wasn't about she's picking side. So
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  Speaker 4: which side are you on?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a side? Now?
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  Speaker 4: Did Nicki Minaj is finally because y'all said she said
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  Speaker 4: this isn't about picking side, So did they get aside?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway? Let me not go down there. That work has
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  Speaker 1: been done. Lizzo is on this line.
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  Speaker 4: She reads the comments in the comments section. Someone says
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  Speaker 4: to her, what is your thoughts on the Nicki Minaj
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  Speaker 4: relationship to the Trump administration? And she gets real close
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  Speaker 4: to the camera and says, Hey, it's a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: of people y'all fen to find out, people who y'all respect,
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  Speaker 4: people with big platforms I'm paraphrasing, who support Trump also,
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  Speaker 4: And as time goes on, you're going to learn about
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  Speaker 4: more and more and more of them, so get.
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  Speaker 1: Ready, basically buck up. I sat with that.
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  Speaker 4: I sat with that, and it occurred to me, especially
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  Speaker 4: after Alex Pretty, because I know nobody cares about women, black, white, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They don't care. They don't care about women.
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  Speaker 4: So Renee Good, God bless her, because I can tell
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  Speaker 4: you right now, she just got lost.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't even hear that. They didn't even.
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  Speaker 1: They put they put Renee Good over there with black people.
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  Speaker 3: Because she was not you know, she was white and she.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Was I didn't even thought about that. Yeah, oh please,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: she's really out.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: They threw her to the wolves.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: She's out.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: But after Alex Pretty was killed, there are people who
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I was going to the page like, oh, I know
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the so and so, the so and so, the so
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and so, the so and so, which are friends and
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: people who I respect and love, and people who I
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: have watched speak out time on racism, sexism, you know, authoritarianism.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: They might not use the words fascism, but they talked
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: about this administration. They were advocates against Donald Trump. Maybe
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: they supported Kamala, you know, maybe they didn't even talk
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: too much about Kamala, but they have sounded the alarm
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: around state sanction, violence and all this stuff. Again, they
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: may not have said it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm with Cardis. They gotta used the right language.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Or not the right language, but the language of the
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: movement or the whatever the most the biggest words.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: But that's what they were talking about. And that went
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on for years and years 'n it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: So I'm popping people's pages open, like, oh, I knew
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: because now even if you was you were afraid to
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: speak on Keith Porter because whatever, even if the white
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: woman the car made you, But I know you're gonna
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: say something about this, and they haven't.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It is eerily silent.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: From some of those individuals who hadn't been loud and
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: clear about where they stand.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: It is eerily silent.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: It is almost so silent that it's screaming, screeching loud.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: How many people have completely silenced themselves or they have
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: been silent and they're not saying a word.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And it came to me that Lizo is right. Some
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of us consider the silence to maybe be about fear.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe your finances ain't right, or you know a deal
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you're working you're working on, or you got management company,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: management people and others around you who are like just
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: stirring up all of this fear in you that you
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: can't because because because because.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You want to be a target.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: The most of us think that that's probably the cause.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of cowardice, a lot of as we
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: would say, puss, why right, that's the way.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: We see it. But little made me think it might
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: not be that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: It might be that the very people who you had
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you expect to.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Speak out are actually Trump supporters.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I found that out.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: The thing is this a lot of them was just
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in the day, and you can tell daily now, right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: because what happens is you'll see somebody post something and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: then you'll just see one line from them, or you'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: see them like stuff, and then you'll see them underneath
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like pro Trump or anti because the thing is what
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they won't do is they won't be pro Trump, they'll
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: be anti Kamala. Or you'll see them post something about
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: well going when Obama did this, nobody said nothing now
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: with Trump, and then they'll be under there like that's
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you just see they just silently
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: start doing stuff like that, and then what happens is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: when they get bold enough, then they'll start posting little
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: stuff on the page, and then and then they just
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: get bold because now they found their community got a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: voice because they were silently with that. They were silently
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and they little silos doing it. But now when they
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: start feeling like there's a community for it. Like I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: watched somebody on a page, a girl that I knew
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: for years, cool and he was a dude's posted said
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: about yes, NICKI Minaja's with Trump.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking. I'm glass she with Trump.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And the girl put one hundred fire emojis under the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: picture and I'm like what. But then I just woke
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: under this shake my hand and she sent me a message.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Y'll call me DMN. I didn't even cause nothing to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: talk about. We ain't got in to talk about you already.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I know what's going on there. Nah, you don't better
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: try to tell me what it is and it's not that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It is what it is and I'm okay with it,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And that's just where we are.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, we just have to understand who people.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad to know that's who you are, cool,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: because I know the thing is when people don't understand
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: about certain choices and levels of integrity and character about
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: what you support. It shows up later, right, because you
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: might be friends with somebody and you never was really
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: in any situation where they had to choose or you
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: had to see where their integrity or their character actually
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: had to.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Show up in that manner.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Like you might just have somebody that y'all like sports together,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and y'all go to the games or somebody else listen
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to music together, you hang out.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: You know, they cool.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You hang out with them, they don't talk about anything
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: that has to do with life. But when a real
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: life situation actually occurs, that situation will show you that
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that person was that all along, and it'd be too late.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And you don't know that when you're young.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: You just don't realize that a mother always was able
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: to tell you look the way from that boy, because
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that boy is that way.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And that's that's the discernment that I have now.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So when I watch the way that y'all support somebody
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like Trump, and just watch even what it is that
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you support them in, it just shows me that in
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: any certain situations, you you might be detrimental to my survival.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, my son, everything you just said,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and and.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: There is a web that is almost cultish where there
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: were people who that's not who they were.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: George Floyd, you know, Trayvon Martin.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We can go back because it wasn't trendy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Well no, no, I mean, I mean I believe them.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not even you're right that that could have been
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the case, but I believed them that they were where
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: they were, but they had crossed over because they start
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: listening to those talking points and that propaganda machine.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: It's so.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Back because I've watched people that I'm like, what are
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: you saying? Like the paid protesters. I have friends who
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: use that language now in conversation with me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They use that langue to me.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I was having a conversation with a friend of mine
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: who is not a Trump supporter, who was a dear friend.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: And awesome because they will know that I'm talking about them.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: But I just want to say this, This just mean,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: don't need to be no free busses. Don't need to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: be no free busses. But then they and they said,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: because I was on a bus and I almost got
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: staged by a person. Then they said, and then they said,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: and Johnny was on the bus and got wronged. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: then Sarah was on the bus and was spit on
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: and and and Poky was pissed on. And they said,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: so it can't be no free busses. I said, So,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: what you're telling me is that all those people paid
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: their fare and that shit still happened. All of the
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: scenarios that you laid out still have been with.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: The fair exactly. So exactly, so.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: You might make it free and include mental health expert
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: because clearly the money is not the thing is that
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: that is protecting you from violence. So, but this is
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: some of the my thought of the day to day
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: is that as we analyze and watch closely for people
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: who have been advocates at one point or another for
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the fight for justice and for fairness and for equity,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: and we watched them disappear from this conversation and not
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: speak at a time that you would think they would
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: use their mega platforms to be a part of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: dialogue to educate and to advocate.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But the and that's what I'm saying, people like convenience, right,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And when we talk when we talk about civil rights leaders, right,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: our civil rights leaders, we talk about how many times
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: even Al Sharpton and they tried to throw l under
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the bus and all of this. Our Shopton went to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: jail a lot of times. Our Shopton was stabbed in jail.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to say.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Martin Luther King went to jail over fifty something
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: like like people actually sacled. There was real sacrifice, you
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: understand I'm saying. So we've been, we've been, we have
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: been pampered in a time where civil rights was trendy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Even though it was a lot of people that actually
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: did things, there weren't people that really were making much sacrifice.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: They were able to.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Make a speech, they were able to go a rally,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and they were able to, you know, figure out how
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to navigate.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: It was not really much.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Now right now, when you are anti this government, they
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: are going to be very real consequences.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and this and this is what I'm saying.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And we understand that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And it's people like us that understand that, and we're
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: prepared for that because we actually had to do some
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of those things with Breonna Taylor and during the George
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: flood we actually curioced it, so we actually had to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: do those things. But the average person who you thought
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was loud and this and that. They never really did that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: They did some social media, they did it convenient. They
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: was able to say real strong things and get but
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: they never really understood what it was like to be
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: in the front line with tear gas and be surrounded
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: by trumpers with guns in their hands saying where you going.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And have to all lives matter, all.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Lives matter, with guns in their hands surrounding us, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I had to protect and say nobody's doing nothing to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the females and get in front of them and we
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: had to go chests like They never had to deal
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: with that. They never had the sense of their life
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: not being there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: And in this moment, we're still not speaking to what
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You're speaking to the fear aspect.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm saying the majority of or the general consensus
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: of thought, is that those individuals who are saying less
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: or not saying anything at all, are dealing with fear
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: for various reasons. What I might lose, how I could
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: get harms hurt, this, that and the third and that
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: is a bucket I'm with. I'm saying, my thought of
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the day today is focused on some of the people
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: as we analyze their disappearance.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: They're just.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying of my thought.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Of the day today is that as we analyze people
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: who have exited the chat, and we're trying to figure
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: out with a million videos of where the celebrities and
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: the influencers and the people with big profiles and platforms,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: where are they to speak out on these issues and
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: to use their platform to stay with those of us
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: who are actively in resistance. You're thinking it might be fair,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that I am now beginning to
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: understand Lizzo's point that they might be Trump supporters. They
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: may have voted for Donald Trump, and they may.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Still be waiting to see how his policies will impact
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: them and allow them.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: To either get richer and or hold on to the
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: wealth that they currently had.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Sounds about right to me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I never really thought about that, but it
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: definitely sounds like that might be the situation because a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people that I never knew what Trump's supporters
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: just come out the wing and now they just said, well,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's not that, maybe maybe this and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: well nobody said this with Obama and Joe Biden didn't
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: do this, Sleepy Joe Biden and Kamalo was laughing too much,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and it's like, wow, we did all this come from?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because now now you can
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: pare it the popular and the algorithm, and they feel like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: since the algorithm shows them so much, that they in
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the majority.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And you might be.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Right, but as time goes on, it'll reveal itself absolutely.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Now let's go to our Okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: So listen, family. You know, I don't even know where
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to begin. It's interesting that when federal agents started following
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Don Lemmon last week, it's been you know, all the
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: days seemed to be running together. There was one person
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: who was on the phone call and everybody who needed
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: to know this was happening in New York and calling
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: everybody needs to know, saying.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Pay attention, be ready the messing with Don.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: This is going to get more intense no matter what
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: happens today or tomorrow, these people are not.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Going to leave him alone. And it was Monique Presley
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: who was our guest today.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I just want to say for the record that this
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: is the same woman who was there every single day
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: with our sister, Marilyn Moseby as she was experiencing what
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know the most just an injustice after being
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the Baltimore States Attorney and prosecuting officers around the murder
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: of Freddie Gray. The retaliation was to come after her
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: for some mortgage thing that ended up being all about
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a piece of land about nothing, and Monique Presley again
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: was making every phone call possible to everybody to say,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: we need people to get in, get.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: In, do what you need to do.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: And so if I'm in trouble, my son and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: world which I had and she's also made for.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But if I'm in any trouble and the.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Law is involved, please go get Monye pressed.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I just call her and she will make every phone call,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: show her up, fight and everything. And so I just
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: want to say thank you Monique for that. And if
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you don't know, you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Should be following Monique. She is the host of The
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Monique Presley.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Show on YouTube, but she is a legal analyst and
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: expert who's on shows across networks and just a big
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: sister friend and also an advisor to Attorney Ben Crump,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: which is a major role that she plays. And our
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: friend and SOK you and welcome to the tam My
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Show tonight. Because somebody got to tell the people what's
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: going on. It's so good to be back with you, guys.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: And even as you say that, it's funny, because it
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: wasn't until you said it that I realized how many
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: times I do think that you need a spirit of
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: discernment in this work.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And I know that you have it, my son. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: know that you have it, Tamika.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: And sometimes things will happen. It'll be like, yeah, that's
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: all right, let's wait, let's not go. And sometimes things
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: will happen and something and you'll be.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Like, oh no, everybody needs to know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen. But when I
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: tell you, when I.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Sent you that message, I had texted formal White House
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: people who and it all today made sense because everybody
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: started working because I had given everybody an on ramp.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in told y'all for two weeks this
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was about to be really bad. Like but for Don yes,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: because I knew when I knew.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: When I knew, I was like, oh no, they won't
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: let this go. And and when he told, because I
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: with crisis managers, if something happens and a client or
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: whoever says, well, this happened, or I just said this
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: or this bad negative thing. Crisis Manager book is, We're
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: gonna wait that twenty four hours. We're gonna see if
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: the story starts dissipating and things start de escalating, or
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: things are ramping up.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And we're looking at the data.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: We're looking at social media, we're looking at who's commenting,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: what kind of check marks they have.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: We're just looking like, I don't know if this is
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: a crisis. I don't even know if this is gonna
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: be a crisis. And so I was waiting that twenty
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: four hours.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'm dawn.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: From when he noticed that people were outside from when
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: they had been in the church, and then when a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: little over twenty four hours later he called me and
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: said they had followed him to dinner.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, no, we're there. Crisis.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it might not happen tonight, but they intend to
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: do something, because you don't send unmarked cars, playing clothes
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: agents following people at their homes. And multiple people who
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: were there had told me that they were being surveilled
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: in that manner. So I'm like, okay, they have what
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: we call drop.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: The net, and they got eyes on everybody and that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: means we now have to get information.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And so that's when I started texting.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Steve, Benjamin and them, Angela y In them, Tamika and them,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Menon and them. Ery body who I knew would if
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: they heard from me say, Okay, Monique's not nuts.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: She doesn't sound on the alarm every other day, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: this is a thing, right.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: And so then when we lived when the justice system
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: said no, if the magistrate said I'm not doing the warrant,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: the chief judge said, I'm.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Backing the magistrate. The appellate court said, y'all are dumb.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: This is not an amer urgency. We could breathe for
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a little while.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: But I was on Don Show three times in this
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: past week, and one time Don asked Charles Coleman and
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I were on there, and somebody was like, well, I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: just glad we got past this and they see the
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: air of their ways, and I was like, no, they
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: don't don knew. I knew, But Charles and I together
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: said no, they have one more play and the grand
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: jury can indict a ham Sandwich. They didn't want to
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: go that route because they know that whatever evidence they
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: have or don't have, is the strength of their case.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: When they go in court.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: It would be so much better if a judge was
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: willing to verify and say, we looked at.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Your charges, and I be in a federal court magistrate
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: say that there's probable cause.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: But the federal magistrates were not willing to do that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: So they go to a jury and the level of
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: proof lower, and the prosecutor goes in there and the
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: defendant can't be in there. The defendant's lawyer can't be
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: in there, because if the defendant isn't testifying, then defendant's
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: lawyer can't be in there. We have no idea what
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: whoever they paid to go into that.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Grand jury, what they said, They said whatever they needed
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: to say in order to.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Get that indictment, and it will never be known. It
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't enter into evidence. It's a closed, siloed part of
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: a proceeding.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: So what do you what's what do you think happens next?
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It's going to it's going to court.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: It's not going to go to trial necessarily, they're going
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: to have an initial.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: For cernel cases, discovery is a little faster.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: What are exactly charges?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So he was charged?
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Well, the four today were charged with the same charges
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: as the prior people who were charged and that eighteen Usc.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Two in eighteen Usc. Two forty eight, eighteen Usc. Two
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: forty one is.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: The Face Act, and it is the body of legislation
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: that prevents intimidation in areas like abortion clinics, where you
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: can't prevent people from being able to access that care.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Never mind that this administration does not enforce that at all.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I've never seen, I've never heard.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Where what it is written for is supposed to be
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: enforced prior administrations. Yes, but this legislation dates back to
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I think Senator Ted Kennedy, and one of the ways
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: that they got it across the finish line was by
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: including churches.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: So it was that you.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Can't prevent access or enjoyment, exercise of your rights to
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: be in a church service, uninterrupted exercise of your rights
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: to be at an abortion clinic, to access go into
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: an abortion clinic, because there were protesters who used to
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: be blocking women where it couldn't go in right twenty four.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Eighteen Usc. Two forty eight is the historical kkk AT.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: It is the act that was written in order to
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: prevent intimidation by the Klan, and that's what they have
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: used to charge to.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Independent journalists black Man and black Woman.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: They have used the Face Act, which is for abortion clinics,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: and they have used the kkk AT that was written
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: to keep the clan from intimidating people in public spaces.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: That's that's the they are. We know for sure that
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Don was not a protester. He wasn't involved in and
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: organizing or being with the protesters, Nor was Georgia.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Nor was Georgia.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And that does not mean because I hadn't heard him
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: say that, you know, he doesn't support the movement or
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: any of that. So that's not because I don't want
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: people to start making a distinction that it doesn't mean
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: legend he doesn't exactly. It doesn't mean he does or
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: he doesn't. This is not about whatever his feelings may be,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: because we can't prosecute on feelings, right. This has to
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: be based upon fact, and the fact is he was
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: not a part of the actual protest. He went in
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: to get reaction from many people about what was happening,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: all the things the church near.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he even went into your reaction.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: I think he went in to cover it as happening.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: He went into document it. He went in with his
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: camera us with his people who were there, and they
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: covered what was happening.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: He said, over and over again, I'm not with.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: The protesters, I am observing, i am recording, I'm live
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: right now, and I'm asking for reaction. So he interviewed,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: But let me ask protesters and acts. That's what I
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: want to say, because he was talking to a white
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: man who had a microphone eared the mouth, and I'm
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: trying to I want to know, is that the pastor
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: or somebody from the church, because I don't think the
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: protesters had a microphone eared the mouth speaking inside the church,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: So if I think that that is him getting also
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: interviewing as a journalist, the people who were in worship
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: who were talking to him, from what I could see,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: they didn't seem to be threatened. They weren't saying get out,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: get out. They were they never asked him to leave.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: And yes, it was not David Eastwood, who was the
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: one who is the regional director of ICE, who the
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: lead pastor. The reason why they chose the pop up people,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: The reason why they chose that place was because it
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: is pastored.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: By someone whose day job is regional.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Director of ICE, right, And so their thought was here's
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: this man saying he loves God, loves people, but he's
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: part of responsible.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: For why we're out here, why people have dying.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: It was only Renee, not Renee and nurse Pretti at
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: that point, but why people were being injured, White people
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: were being snatched.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: They were saying, this is a joke. That's not who
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: But he either was not there by the time they
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: went in, or he's scurried along by the time they
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: went in.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And so it was the minister who was up and
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: having the.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Service who took the time to be interviewed Don and
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: did not ask Don.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: To leave, nor is camera to leave, but instead engaged
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in this interview.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: It's hard to trespass when nobody tells you you're trespassing,
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: especially when it's a public place like a church.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Exactly right, That's the main thing I was saying.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I would say, because I don't know the legal you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know the legal jogging or just the law
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: around it, but I know that church is people usually
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: walk into the church all the time. You know, you're
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: able to walk in and you can talk to the past,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: you can have conversations, you can do that. So I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if that would be even considered trespassed.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: No, churches are public spaces, and this is one.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Churches are public places on private property, and in the law,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: even though the private the property is private, you are.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Anybody is welcome in the church. That's how a man
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: could walk into a church and kill an amage nine,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: because we let everybody come in, right, people, Nobody brings
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: that up right now because this offense, where there was
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: no violence whatsoever, it's so heinous. But other dudes get
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: burger king right, So yes, anybody can come in now.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: At the point that you disrupt the service, right, that's
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: civil disobedience.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: And that has its own consequences, and you get to
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: fight and be heard in court, and a jury of
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: your peers if it gets to that point, make a
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: decision of whether they feel it was criminal intent.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: But it's not the Face Act. It's not in KKKR.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: It's not the KKK Act. I don't know if it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: the Face Act or not. I'm gonna be a lawyer
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: for real with y'all, so that means I'm not gonna
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: pull any punches.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Those protesters are.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Might end up facing some consequences that nobody else would
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: because this administration doesn't mind targeting people, and if they
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: can find a way to make it as serious as
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: humanly possible Lamonica mcgui ver, right, James James Comy, Fannie Willis, whomever, right,
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Jern Powell, if they can figure out a way.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: To change a misdemeanor to a felony, they're gonna do it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: And so that's part of what we as people who
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: are who consider ourselves in any way in the movement,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: in any way organizers, in in any way activists, we
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: have to now know if we decide were going outdoors
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: right outdoors means if I get arrested this time, it
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: might not be enough to just make sure Monique has
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: our Orange vest On and has our bail money in fact,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: because they might wait to arrest me on a Friday
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: and the hopes that they can keep me till on Monday,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: because they know that that's the only way that they'll
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: get any jail time out of me at all, because
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: that's the way this administration functions. And so I can't
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: say whether this was or was not a violation of
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: the Face Act. What I can say, though, is it
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: is disproportionately applied and is not enforced across the board.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: They are targeting different groups and then not enforcing with others.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: All you gotta do is look at January sixth.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Wait, January sixth, you're going back into the archives.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about three weeks.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Ago at Jamal Bryant's church where the white man walks
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: in there down there, and he looked like the KKK
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: by the way, he looked like in the movies that
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: you've watched from nineteen sixty when the Grand Wizard was
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: meeting with the men, the older men with the beard
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: and the thing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: That's what he looked like.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, period, I haven't even heard at all. I
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: hadn't heard anything like I And when I say haven't
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: heard anything about this man walking around in Jamal bryan
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: In church having to be escorted out, screaming, pausing a disruption,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I could say he was blocking an entrance because he
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: was standing in front of a door that people used
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: to go in and out of the sanctuary from the hallway,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: and it was him and his wife or something. Wasn't
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: it feel a bit?
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: But even after doctor Bryant posted about it, it's still nothing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: And he even said, Okay, if there's no such thing
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: as a black church or a white church, then why
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: and he gave the picture, why haven't you found you know, and.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: His whoever his accomplice was.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: And so I'm just I'm you know, because I sometimes
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I worry that people it's so much going on that
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: our folks are folks, let's not say hour because one
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: thing we're not going to do is square is put
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: this squarely.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: On black people.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Any folks can't keep up with all the moving pieces, right,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: So you will hear people say, well, maybe they shouldn't
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: have and maybe don shouldn't and this and that, And
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: what we're saying is you get at least what I'm saying.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: You can have your opinion whether you believe a protest
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: should or should not happen in the church, and therefore
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: you don't have to engage, right because that's your decision.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: You can be a journalist who says, I don't go
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: that deep into the belly. I'm gonna stay on the
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: peripheral across the street, down the block and catch the
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: people when they go to the restroom at the McDonald's
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: after they finish protesting, you know, down the block.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Don Lemon ain't that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: He always has been the guy who crawls into the
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: crevices to get the real true story.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: That's always been him. So that's what he was doing.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: So you can argue all of that, but what you
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: can't argue, and that is what I feel like is
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: our fight is again the hypocrisy that is in how
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: they deal with the law and or not. And in
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: this case, we see clearly that there was a man
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: who went in and disrupted a service who has not
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: been named. I don't know that he's been Has he
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: been named that you no.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: No, never never seen him since.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And nobody is trying to find him.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody is trying to find him.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: And I think because black we're used to that, right,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: We used to disruption, we used to having to move
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: past it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: We're okay, he yelled on the screen. We don't care.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we were on point, we watching
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: him because we making sure that he's not a physical threat.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: So people were paying attention.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, we're used to
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: people having their opinions, and we allow you to voice
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: your opinions.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Lords, you don't put your ends on us, and you
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: don't do that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want, but I think this
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: administration is time that we're in.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Everything that we do is going to be targeting.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And I heard a little bit of Don talking about
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: how this is how you know, authoritarians start, they eliminate
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the media. You know, once they eliminate the media and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: nobody's able to tell the story properly, then the world
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: believes everything that they get from, you know, the administration.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I said, Monigud, I want you to react
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: to this, and I said it and I was like, man,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I can't really say this publicly because people are going
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: to like lose it and not understand the context of
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: what I'm trying attempting to explain. But I think it
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: is worth saying that the killings of all the people
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: who have been named that have been killed or harmed
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: by ice and law enforcement in general, and of course
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Keith Porter, renee Good and Alex pretty and these these
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: situations are severe. I mean, they're like critical, critical co
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: red state of emergency one hundred percent. But the arrest
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: of the journalists to me, rises to another level, right
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And I'm and see you see what I'm saying about
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: why I'm careful. I don't want people to take out
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: of context what I'm saying that. I'm like, oh, those
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: those you know, the shooting, killing, abuse of people is
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: not as important. I'm just saying, when you understand history
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: and you see the arrest of officer I mean of journalists,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: it is telling you a different story because we've always killed, harmed,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: abused people who were participating in resistance, that and or
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: and or just everyday people. That's a that's that's an American.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: That's as as American.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: As apple pie. Right.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: But when we start arresting and charging journalists for covering
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: the story, sorry, we are entering fascism.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: On steroids.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: And it means that we're getting closer to the fulfillment
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: of the project twenty twenty five authoritarianism plan. Do you
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: agree or do you feel like maybe I'm going too far.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Not far enough.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: State sanctioned violence, state sanctioned murder is this country's origin story,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: and it is our story still. So it's not George
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Floyd story. It's not a Sonya Massy story, it's not
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: a both from John's story. It's not a Brianna story.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: That's not what it is.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: State sanctioned killing is. This is a calling card of
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: federal government here. The difference where that is concerned in
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: the past.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Weeks is old.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: But white people too, right, because Ice don't care what
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: color you are.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Now Ice cares what side you're on.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Because the thuggery and the goonishnish of it is all
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: pro Trump pro They stuck us on these streets, and
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: they incentivize us with money per collar, the way that
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: when I first started doing policeman's conduct cases like that's
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: the bad, bad old days, and we're back there again,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: except for with them having little to no training. And
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: when I say no training, I don't just mean they don't.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Have a stun gun.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: They don't know how to use a baton, they don't
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: understand what a traffic stop is. They don't know how
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: to restrain and collar a suspect. They don't even know
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: how to do things that are now illegal, like putting
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: somebody prone and hog tying them. They can't even do
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: it halfway wrong the way people used to die. Sometimes
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: they only have these guns. So that's them. That's the
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: state sanction violence part of it. Right, But you are
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: right because that has always been with us, except for
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: now its white people. What we have that is worse
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: than that is state policy, because when you go after
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: these journalists, it's not on street some thug got mad
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: and pulled their weapon and killed somebody and then clapped.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: That's bad, that's horrible. But we have seen that, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: god knows how many times the cameras weren't there for
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: us to see it. This, though, is we want to
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: prosecute them. We will deliver warrants, We will spend tax dollars,
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: We will pursue them with the full weight of the
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: federal government, of the Department of Justice, of Homeland Security,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: of the Civil Rights Division, of the Presidency of the
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: United States, and when it doesn't work, will keep going
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: until we get them. We will make public statements, we
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: will show mugshots. Is different in every possible way because
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: it is turning the awesome power of one of the
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: most fear supposedly countries in the world, of our enforcement division.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: That's what Department of Justice is, that's our law and
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: order people.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: They're turning it on ten people who went in a church.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Hmmm.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you about this ballot situation in the rides? Yes,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: So what's going on with that? And what do you
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: what is what is the whole legal reentifications behind that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Wait, which ballot situation?
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: My thine in Atlanta?
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, see here's here's happening.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: So many different things that you confuse, like which one.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Right, because they're all together.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: The real goal of ice, the real goal of this persecution,
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: the real goal of Pam Bondi sending a letter to
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Governor Walls and saying, oh, okay, we'll.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Withdraw if you turn over your voter rolls, and you too, Arizona,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: and you too, Michigan, if you just give us the
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: roles because we know you have people on the rolls
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: who aren't supposed to be on the rolls. Give us
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: the rolls and we'll exit. That's connected to Fulton County,
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: where the crazy man who's in the one house has
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: to prove that in twenty.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Twenty he didn't really lose the election.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: He went to Davos, the debacle in Davos last week
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: and said it was a red election, and everybody knows
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: it was a red election. They know now, and people
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: are going to start being perseed, said, persecuted, prosecuted people
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: start to pay conrects and persecuted. And so after he
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: says that, then the next week. Here they go, going
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: to where they keep the paper ballads, as if going
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: in and collecting them is going to change the multiple times,
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: the recounts, the court orders, the judge's decisions, sixty plus
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: cases across this country and three independent investigations, and nope,
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty is still your ass lost.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: You lost, you lost, you lost.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: So it's all tied, and it's not going to sincerely
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: tied to prove he won, that's his mind. It's really
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: tied to Elections are unstable, Elections are not valid.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Elections can't be trusted, So why would we have one
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: in November? Exactly? That's where they are leading.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Is it legal for Pam Bondy to include language in
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: a letter about ice saying, but if you give us
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: the the voting roles, then I don't I don't you know.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Listen, it's just so it's so unprecedented and retarded, retarded,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I would like to say crazy.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A judge called it, called it extortion and a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: a bribery attempt. And we are.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Not we are not immune to or new to or
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: shocked by corruption. We've been watching corruption play out forever
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: and ever and ever on so many levels local government,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: local police force.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, this is not but there, this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is It's like, you know what I mean, that's the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: only thing I can say. What you see. You put
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: in a letter to.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Say, that's this administration.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Everything you're telling everybody paid, he's paid to play.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: They're lawless, and the Supreme Court has taken all restraints off.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: I did a segment for my show last week called
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: the Emperor has No Clothes and and and I really
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: meant it in that it's not his nakedness that's the problem.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It's that there's nobody in the circle.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: To say that you don't got no clothes on?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: He ain't, He'll had an on like it was a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: kid in the story that said. And they're around him
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: and fearful and power grabbing and not wanting to be exposed.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: And he is so very naked that you know, Prime Minister, Canada, Germany, everybody,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: everybody is like, oh my god.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: But to your point, no, I don't think it's gone
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: but for but for Nixon, And then that was a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: specific circumstance.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It wasn't across the board.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: We are seeing Project twenty twenty five work its way
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: through the entirety of our Executive branch and with an
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: assist by Congress. Not because they're helping, but because they
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: are spineless and they will not prevent any of it.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: And that is why Trump knows. Oh, if if we.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: Lose in November, they're gonna hamstring me, They're gonna impeach me.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: They're gonna finish me, and not just him, the GLP.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: That's what I say day before, Yes.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Now on Don Show, I said it'll be the death
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: of the GOP if we handle November right, they might
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: not ever win anything again because the staff is in America, understand, Yeah, right,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: they the masses in America know how unreliable they are.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: It's just a question of us having a chance to vote.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It's not even unlible at this point. It's it's danger.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: It's it's serious levels of danger. The unreliability. Like we
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: always knew that I think most people knew, and they say,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: even it's unliable, I'm gonna be it. But right now,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: the danger that we live in the constant fear, just
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: watching the economy, just watching this, you know, the administration
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: just target people like they they have done nothing right
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: for America and like just it's for real, it's not
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: even like trying to be funny. It's just like there's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: nothing been done right. But I want to ask you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: a question. Do you know how Georgia Ford is doing?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I was watching her live early and it made me
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: really sad, like hearing the kids in the background crying
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: and she was going to get arrested. You know. I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: was like, this has to be traumatized, like it has
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: being a young kid knowing that Fed's is looking for
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: your mother.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: She's you know, she's a journalist. She's like you can
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: just tell that. It was a lot going on in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: that moment.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's she's safe. I mean, you know, she's out,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: she's safe. I have not talked to her yet.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: She was on my show a couple of days ago.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: And it was really I got it was very difficult,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: you know, to Mika especially. You have been just in
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: places where Angela, our sister, Angela, Ryan and I were
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: working on things.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because she and I are both it's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: quickly out and born on.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: October twenty sixth, both of us close to a decade apart.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: But you know, and we'll battle it out until we
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: figure it out, and then there's always love but then
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: there's some things that just break your heart, just break it,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: and this from me with Georgia has been one of
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: those things where I'm looking at a woman who is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: strong and brave and powerful and standing on her own
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: two feet, and she has a supportive husband, she's got
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: a family, she's got children, but she's out there making
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: her mark in the world right an Emmy Award winning journalist.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: And to hear her just on her public lives and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: then talking to us personally and saying I wanted to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: go downtown and cover something, but I didn't think it
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: was safe. I'm being followed, there's massed people, there's unrest.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: I didn't even trust being able to go into a hospital,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: into a hotel and look out the window like it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: what they're hoping to accomplish.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And it's always black women.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Right where they're doing the most that they could possibly
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: do to us, and they use us as like the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: first step, the first frontier, if we can get away
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: with it with the black women, and then with the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: black men.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe a white woman too, Oh maybe a white man.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And so this administration is inching.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: But she.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Has so much of a moral compass about her, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: so much integrity about her work, and she posted a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: video when she was getting out when she was released,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: and thankfully she was released on her own recognizance and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: did not have to pay a bond. But I'm sure
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: she's gonna need support because this is just the beginning.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: The fact that they don't have to stay in jail
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that these charges are dropped.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: So you got to get council.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting because the chorus seem like they are like,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: why are y'all bother us with this, Like let's let
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: these people out of here, Like it's not even a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: situation where you see the.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Courts being over zealous to say you gotta have.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Bond, and you know, they're even like, I don't even
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: know why we're had because I don't believe now depends
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: on who your final judge is.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: You're real, you know you're judge who's presiding.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that there's even a case as big
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: as a piece of land. Seriously, So it's like a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: waste of people's time.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: But you know, and.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: It's a disruption of to your point about the breaking
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: of breaking your heart, it's a disruption of folks nervous
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: system because this and and to my son's.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Point, her children, her family, that's crazy that I mean,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I've been there.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: I've been in my house and at six o'clock in
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: the morning, federal agent come to my house, ring the doorbell,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: wake up everybody in the house, and we're all sitting
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: on the couch in the living room while they asked
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: questions about taxes and payroll and stuff that they have
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: called and asked us to come downtown to discuss what
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: could have called us on the telephone to get the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: answers to But they are at my house at six o'clock.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: In the morning.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: And they executed this on multiple staff members at the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: same time.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So most families were impacted.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: And my son may have been eight or nine years
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: old who's now out of his bed scared.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: That's what is happening to my mother. So that's a disruption.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: But the other.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Disruption is that as this is happening, right as this
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: is in progress, we're getting live reports on some of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: our channels about what's happening to to to Georgia. And
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: I'm in the airport sobbing, literally stobbing, traveling from one.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: City to the next. My hands are sweating.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: I'm trying not to let people look at they know me,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: I'm in the airport.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: People are like, hey, oh my god, and I'm in
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the airport, like my nervous system. It's too much. It's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: trauma exactly what they want because.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: They because if they can traumatize you, at least we
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: can do that. And once they traumatize you, then they say,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: she's she's gonna be quiet. She's not gonna go out there.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Donald me got me fucked up with this camera.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: George's gonna stay home because she she knows, she has
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: seen the risks, and she's not willing to deal with
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: the risks.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: And that's the whole strategy.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: Did y'all see the graphic that the White House put out? Yes,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: before you talk about that, Why did the d A
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: go to her house?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand how the DEA gets involved in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: executing a warrant of this nature.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, all of this seems so like it's political fear.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: As you would say, there are no more rules, There
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: are not lines, there are not departments, they are not boundaries.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: If they can't get their own agents to do something,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: if they can't probably get the local because normally, if
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: you have to effectuate a warrant, then you're gonna call
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: the local or state police department and they're going to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: do it for you because it's somebody who's in your area.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: But what if they say no, So then you gotta
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: find some federalites.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: Who answer to you. And maybe you can't pick Ice
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: because Ice is already in trouble. So you got to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: go with what you got because you're trying to, again theater,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: do it all at the same time, and you know
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: that you are doing West coast time for maximum impact
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: to arrest don Lemon coming back from an event, and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: you want to do these arrests at the same time.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: And it all was very much coordinated in that way.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: Like my phone was ringing, my text was going off,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: my signal, everything was going at the same time, which
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: is why I'm saying to the nervous system to your
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: point to Mika, yeah, that's I love that song.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Whose song is it? The biggest, the largest? What they do,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: what they.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Did here especially, and what they do is they go
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: after somebody big to say nobody is untouchable, and then
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: they go after your heart to say we don't care.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: We're not making any exceptions.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: We don't care that she's a mother, We don't care
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: that we know she's a journalist. We don't care she's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: in a bj right now, vice president of the local chapter.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: She ain't out here pretending to be a journalist.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: We know, and we don't care, because we are gonna
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: reach out and touch you because they're supposed to make
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: you afraid.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: What I have to say, though, is for the eight
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: hours that I.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Did on the Don Lemon channel today, we had twenty
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: five thousand or more people tuned in consistently.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: But cable that's better than cable news numbers. God knows
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: Right now, people are not with it. Yeah, people are
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: not having it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever. The bridge too far.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Is over.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: We over it. We're over it now now is it
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: too late? How?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: There are things we're not gonna ever recover. And you
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: know I'm not this person, I'm the eternal optimist.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, there are things we're not getting back.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: This country is forever different, especially for black and brown people. Well,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: some of the things we're not gonna get back, I'm
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: gonna be honest with you are relationships. Because there are
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: people that can't ever in their life. Talk to me again,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna tell you why it makes me emotional,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: like I really want to cry getting this out, because
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: they're real relationships.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about people I love.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: But you're putting my particular life in danger because what
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: people don't understand when I've watched that man run up
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: to ilhan Omar representative il han Omar and spray whatever.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever he did. By the way, today, it nothing but
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: a liquid or water or whatever.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: But in three you don't know when God knock on everything,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: and please the Lord, don't let my words come true.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: But when when she and other people who were close
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: to it start having respiratory issues and some other shit
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: and you find out it was olderless colorless, something that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: all you need to do is.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: You know, sprayed in a wrong right, that's right. You
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. This shit is serious.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: And for me, I every single day I have to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: make decisions.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. My mentor called me.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: Today, the the the honorable Marion Berry's widow, Cora masters Berry,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: and she was sobbing like I don't want you going
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: to this place and that place because I'm worried and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: it's unfortunate that I could not say back.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: To her Mo and my son, I won't go.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: I couldn't say that because I don't know what I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: may feel called to do and win.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And every time I step outside, even when I.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: Am not in active resistance, the fact that I woke
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: up in the morning is a threat.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Active resistance act.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Business that we're on here giving people information that flies.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: In the face of the lies that they're trying to.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Tell ye is active resistance, and so just I have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: to tell people, often family members and friends. I'm frustrated,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: I'm aggravated. Sometimes I feel rage. I feel the same,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: but I am not suicidal. I have nothing. I am
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: not using drugs anymore. I don't use drugs, don't want it,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: I don't have a taste for it. If you'll find
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: me somewhere that's right. With twenty pills in my body,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I ain't telling you today that I did not take it,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: that it has been planted, or whatever, however, whatever words
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: you use to say that someone has infused my body
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: with it, that's what happened, because there is I have
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: no suicidal thoughts in my personal life. I'm actually very happy,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: very much fulfilled with love, and family, my granddaughter, my son, everybody.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: But every day I have to tell people that because
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: they will make the case based upon things that you
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: have shared or words you may say.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: If you write on social media, I'm overwhelmed.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: The next thing you know, it is a part of
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: a case that you done have been killed somewhere, and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: they're saying, she said she was overwhelmed, So you gotta
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: If you you can say you're overwhelmed, but you also
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: have to follow that up with but I am not suicidal.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: This is sinsterious shit. So if you voted for this,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: I can't have any thing to do with you. I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: can't and have to be a boundary. I gotta cut
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: it somewhere. If you didn't vote at all, I gotta
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: we gotta work on this, because.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Oh are you Are you working with it? Didn't vote?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm working it didn't vote. I gotta I gotta work
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: with the didn't.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't. This was gonna be my
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. But yeah, I don't. I don't.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I don't have any interest in dealing with anybody that
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: deals with Trump.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Like I made up my mind.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: You look, I tried to have cordial conversations and dialogue.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm at the place that I realized we just
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: have two different moral compasses and and and I don't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: want to.
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  Speaker 3: Even engage with people that disturb my peace.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: And you might have been somebody that I loved for years,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: but I've realized we've come to a crossroad to where
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: we no longer have the same value system because anytime
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: that you support somebody who I think is one of
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: the worst human beings in the world, just not even
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: based on presidency. It's not about parties. It's not about
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Republican like you could have voted for some Republicans when
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: we might be able.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: I might not agree this, and that we get, but
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: if you support Donald Trump, then it shows where you're
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: more what your character is. I believe that you have
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: a flawed character.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I don't agree.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that that's just I know.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying this because I'm saying I s
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: with them. But here's what I'll Here's what I'll say,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: because unfortunately I know too many people who are like this.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe you guys do, but I have no idea what
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: the challenges are that the people in Alaska.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Face on a daily basis. I don't know people who
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: live there.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: I know a couple of few people who are from there,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: but not who live there. And the way everything is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: like with the sun and the daytime and you gotta
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: put the shades down in order to get sleep, to.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Create night and day and all of that. I don't
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: identify any of it.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: The way that they fish for food or any of it,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: or even that poor idiot child who could have been
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: our vice president, who see you can see Russia right
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: over there, you can see it.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't understand anyone they were talking about.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: And so their enemies would not automatically be my enemies
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: because I'm ignorant. Now I'm willfully ignorant, because it's not
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: that hard for me to figure out what's going on
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: with them. Like Google is your friend. I could go
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: there if I wanted to. I could know more people
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: from there if I wanted to.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Same with whether.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: It's Norway or whether it's Sweden, or whether it's Bangkok
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: or whether it's Beijing. My level of information is cursory,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: like it's very surface level, and so things that I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: watch people protesting things all over the globe that I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: don't personally identify with. And it is not that I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: don't want them to win, and it's not that I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: want them to be persecuted, because that's just not me
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: anybody anywhere who's being mistreated.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: Shit, I'm on your side, but sometimes I don't know
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: your side. And because I don't know your.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Side, I don't care your side because I think.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Huh, I think what I'm saying is no. But I'm
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: saying if you're disconnected.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: States who are exactly like that, they are ignorant, They're
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: not like, they don't have knowledge, they don't have black experience,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: they don't have black community, they are not aware of history.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: They are living their own lives.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: And sometimes when the information comes and they vote based
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: on their we.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Tell people vote your interests, vote your interest. I don't
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: say that shit no more.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: I say, hear out everybody's interests and then you better voted.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: You better vote my kids interests to Mika, them's interests,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: my signing, them's interests, not just your interest because your
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: interest is always covered. You'ing been covered since the founding fathers. No,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: especially Texas, don't vote like that. Don't vote George Bush's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: grandchildren's interests.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: Vote Lloyd Benson and Richards, Sheila Jackson, Lee, Barbara Jordans,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Nicky Leland vote if you unvote leaders, vote all us
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: all Monye Presley vote all traded truth, vote traded truth interest, Yes, Chris,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: And when I actually I have talked to maggots, I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: have talked to Republicans, I've talked to conservatives. I've talked
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: to Democrats, because white Democrats, it's the same crop. I'm
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: trying not to cuss just because I'm trying to say
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: things that children can listen to, but it's the same thing.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: They are so rooted in their own experience and ignorant
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: to the experiences of others that they are voting their pockets.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: They're voting their religion, they're voting their principles, and they.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: See a lot.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: But that's my point, though you say exactly what I'm saying. Interesting,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: but that might not understand that. And if you vote
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: your pockets, your religion and your interests, and is Donald
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Trump that means we have two different moral come because
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: your pocket, if your pockets supersede morality to me, if
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: your interests supersede a person who lacks any level of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: morality the person who is the most disrespectful person who
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: violates everybody who has no empathy, no connection anything. If
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: you have a level of connection to Donald Trump, then
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: me and you don't really have anything in come.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: And it's cool and.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Poetizens, Yeah, been around seen city.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Because they watch the evening news like that comes on
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: either from five to six or six to seven, and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: they go to bed.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: And the young folks don't even watch that.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: And so a lot of times what I'm explaining to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: people about things.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: That Trump said or things that.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: He did, they're like eye or what. They're not even
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: trying to explain it away.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: It's literal shock, Like as a joke, I'm like, no,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: these are the things he said two o'clock in the morning.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: How does he get any work done?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Because these are people who work all day, feed their family,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: go to bed.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say, when you down here, they
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: but those people have they have those with those people right,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: they have to impose upon themselves the ability and the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: want to know. Right because if you if you, if
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: you're making decisions and you don't know and it's hurting me,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: then you you you you're a threaten to me.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: So you you you.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Gotta want to know.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: And if you don't want to know and you just
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: making decisions that harm me, I don't want to be
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: around you.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Because you're still dangerous to me.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Because if you're the type of person that don't know
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: shit and you going out there and you're making life
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: decisions that are threatening people's lives and you don't have
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: a clue about.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Nothing, I can't be around you. I don't want nothing
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: to do with you.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Listen, listen, y'all are one in one.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: As the judge of this debate, it was one in
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: one because mo Haney going down and dude, you came back.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: With that one right there. It's one in one.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: But I think to sum it up, we're talking about
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: the homemieds that do. That's who I'm That's what I'm
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: talking about. I'm not mad at them people over there
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: that voted for Trump. I'm not making mad. It's not
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: the wrong word that they shouldn't even be using it.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I don't really care because I'm not gonna get around.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: That doesn't I'm talking about relationships people who got.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: No better.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't even hurt me. I hurt you to me,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: but it may be a. It's a scorpio and me.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: But I don't wantsome people and I don't want.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: Them back, and I don't want them back me. I'm
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: gonna tell you that, and I don't care. I care
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: because Lord, I.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Try, good, look, I try.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: But anyway, I don't want to even go down that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: rag and hole anymore. I just want to say money,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: thank you, thank you for what they're doing, thank you
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: for helping to make it plain. We're the same, like
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: you and Angela, Angela Ryal's sister. We fight it out
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: until we come to a place where both of us
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: have a deeper understanding of issues. And that to me
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: is very, very very important because I can hang up
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: the phone with you and be like, I still intend
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: toes down, but when I am speaking out in the world,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm able to recognize other people's perspectives and it makes
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: me a stronger leader.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: And so these.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: People who say we all think alike, and what do
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: they trying to say? We are one thing, one one
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: group thought. No, actually, our groups don't do group thought.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: We fight bus and go back and forth and push
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: one another all the time. Where we all are aligned,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: where we all are aligned is that this is not
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: a drill.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: This is not a joke. It's not a you know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a moment that is going to pass.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: We are deep into something that started a year ago,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: but it actually started even before that. I wanted to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: do this one thing before because I don't want you
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: to leave. We were talking earlier about white people and
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: how this is different because of white people, and I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: wanted to go back and people should actually look this up,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: so we don't have to belabor this show today, but
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: they should go back and look at when doctor King
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: and John Lewis, God Rest his.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Soul, and all of the folks who let me not
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: get myself in trouble, we're out there going.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: Across the Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, and in the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: midst of the civil rights struggle.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: We know that when.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: We think about the time periods when the movement has
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: been at its most critical and its most dangerous and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: inflection point where we could go one way or the other,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: white people who have chosen to stand on the right
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: side of history started getting killed and that and it
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: is it is a it is a clear determination that
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: we have crossed a bridge. That is that we can't
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: we can't go back so it doesn't mean that we've
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: crossed the bridge and it's worse than ever. No, it's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: still all terrible, but we will never go back to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: what it was because every time that that happens, the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: world changes at that moment. And so what I want
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: people to know is that my pastor often.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Says it is that this is a it may be.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: An uncomfortable, terrible, scary moment, but it is pregnant with
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: possibility for what we can do if we all buckle down.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: Not all because we'll never be all, but all that
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: are in if we buckle down and running the place
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: that fit our skill set and do what we're supposed
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: to do in this moment. If we do that, we
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: won't ever go back, but we can create whatever it
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: is to become so that our children will not look
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: back and say, well, what the hell did y'all do
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: when they was you know, shooting people in the face
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: and doing all the things that's happening and stealing people's oil.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's so crazy. So I just I want
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: supposed to be left with that feeling of well, wow,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: we're never going back, and the direction forward is the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: moment is happening now because we've watched and we know
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: from history when the white folks started dying.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: We're on our way somewhere somewhere. Yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm remembering a couple of weeks ago to Mika.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: We were talking, or maybe we were texting, but you know,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: I was in a space and just mad, and you
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: were like, the white folks died too.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Mo At that moment, I was probably like, I don't care. Oh,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: but you know I didn't.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't mean it that way. But what you say
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: about us doing what it is in our skill set
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: to do, I really.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: I appreciate my son, Latasha Brown has been and just
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: checking in and regularly with me, because you know I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: have been.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: Was a crash landing for me, and I've been experiencing
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: just some hard days, some deep loss. But I was
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: comforted in knowing not just that my brain still works,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: but being.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: But it being proven true that which you really are
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: meant to.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: Do, you almost you can do it better in adversity
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: because everything else strips off.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: Like I told you tonight, I'm like, yep, I'll come on,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: sweat shirt and all.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: It ain't matter.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: But I know that I can relay the facts that
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: need to be said. I can talk to you about
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: the things. I can explain the law because this is
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: my set, this is what I do right, And if
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: everybody would get in that get just yeah, you know
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: you know how you had it when you it's a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: drum beat, when you're in the pocket and you're like, ooh.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: It is a perfect song.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Somebody's paying the drums, some mody's playing about this music.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: Did you feel it right there to me music? It's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: late night, this show went. We just went after we
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: just went after dark right there. Because I'm saying you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: can settle in that pocket and it is where you
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: be long.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: So everybody should find that spot, find that sweet spot.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you, Monique. Thank you for the work
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: that you do. Thank you for being our friend, thank
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: you for being brilliant. Thank you for challenging us, getting
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: pissed off with us. Sometimes sometimes I go on my
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: d MS and you cussing me out. But you is
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: always in love and I appreciate that love.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Y'all. I love both of you. Thank you so much
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: for having me all right. Thank you right in the pocket, Bob, Monique, You.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: Know, she has been right there with Don throughout this
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: whole process, so I wanted her to come on and
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: talk about it. I appreciate the fact that you brought
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: up Georgia Fort because you know, we can't allow the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: sister who was part of those detained to be overlooked.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: And then there are others who clearly their names need
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: to be stated.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: They need support. They probably need really serious.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really serious, because I was on a call, you know,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: with folks from Minnesota and just listening to the stories
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: in the way that they're being feared, how they y'all
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: being financially terrorized, how the stores, like some of the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: people can't even afford to pay they rent no more
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: because the Ice people have have labeled them certain things.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: They got these podcasters. They go outside of the stores
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: where these people work, and now nobody is people are
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: scared to go to the store. It's like, it's just
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of things that they are dealing with
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: inside Minnesota. So I wanted to send some prayers out
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: to them, you know, because it's really it's really a lot,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: you know, and that brings me to my I don't
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: We were talking about we were talking about Trump and
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: people who voted for Trump and friendships, and that was
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: gonna be my original. I don't get it, you know,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: because I really I don't get why people don't understand
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: that we can't be friends if you voted in my humanity,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: I don't even get like people make it seem like, oh, yo,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: just because we don't agree, we should still be able
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: to be No, it depends on what we don't agree upon.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man dealing with a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: twelve year old is raped, then we can't be friends.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man telling on a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: man because he's scared to go to jail is bad,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: then we can't be friends.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man who's the president
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: should treat everybody like a human being, then we don't
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: deserve to be friends. If you're trying to tell me
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: that certain people deserve to be thrown and beat and
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: shot and killed because you don't think they from this
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: country and all of that, you think that there's no
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: friendship path for me. So I don't understand why people
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: don't understand that, Like, why do people make it into
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: a big oh, we can't be cool, It's all right,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: y'all come at people because they don't think. No, it's
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: not that I come at you. I just don't want
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with you. It's not that you don't
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: think like I think. It's just that you don't think
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: like I think. That someone who has integrity would think, right.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be around anyone that lacks integrity.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: But that was my first thing. But I was having
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: a conversation with a lot of guys, and it's always
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: been this Republican Democrat thing, Republican Democrat thing, friends that
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  Speaker 2: I know, and like, they're the same people and they
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  Speaker 2: don't do nothing for us, and this and that, and
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  Speaker 2: I made I asked one of them a question. I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: you said that they're the same people like you know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've been working on a transition team with
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  Speaker 2: the mayor Mandani right, and we've worked with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of different governor officially, work with Jamoni Williams, we work
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  Speaker 2: with Todd Share, we work with Tis James, We've worked
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: with Initial giftshit like, we've worked with people right, We've
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: been on the front lines with them.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen them advocating.
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  Speaker 2: There's actual times where you might be able to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we need these things for our community, these things a
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  Speaker 2: going wrong in our community.
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  Speaker 3: We're able to get on the phone with them.
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  Speaker 2: We would actually make things happen inside our community because
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  Speaker 2: we have these relationships and we've been on the front
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  Speaker 2: line and work with these people. And these are people
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  Speaker 2: that we actually voted for and help get into these offices. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So I asked them what Republicans can you call or
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  Speaker 2: do you have a relationship with that can actually impact
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  Speaker 2: your community, Because if you're saying that the same they
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  Speaker 2: don't do. I know that you can call me, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know you can call me, And I'm able to
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: have be able to call certain people, and there's other
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  Speaker 2: people that can make those in our community.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not the.
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  Speaker 2: Only person that can make those calls in our community
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  Speaker 2: that can get things done in our community, can have
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  Speaker 2: people come out and say, hey, we need resources in
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  Speaker 2: our community for the parks.
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  Speaker 3: We need to get a new park.
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  Speaker 2: You know they just built the gifts that just got
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  Speaker 2: Highbridge Park done over. Like these things are happening because
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: of relationship. And it wasn't even me, it was my
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  Speaker 2: brother Pop. Shout out to him. He throws a basketball
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  Speaker 2: tournament in Highbridge, and he reached out to our thee
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  Speaker 2: and said, hey, we need to get some new basketball
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  Speaker 2: courts and some new rims, and they're supposed to do
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  Speaker 2: to park over and.
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  Speaker 3: Those are things that can act.
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  Speaker 2: Those are tangible, you know, things that can happen that
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  Speaker 2: I know happened with Democratic people that have been voted
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  Speaker 2: in office. And I asked them, I said, what Republicans
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  Speaker 2: are you able to reach out that you've seen do
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  Speaker 2: things like that in our communities?
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  Speaker 3: Where do you have the relationship?
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: So when you're telling me they're all the same, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even make sense to me because I've literally campaigned
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  Speaker 2: and been on the front line with the Democratic officials
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  Speaker 2: and elected officials. I've been on the front line with them,
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  Speaker 2: and I've watched them get into office, and I'm able
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: to utilize them to help our communities. So tell me
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  Speaker 2: where you can do that. So I don't get when
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  Speaker 2: they keep saying that shit to me, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand how you even rationalize that. I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's some shit that they hear on the internet over
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: and over so much so they just repeat it. And
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: then what happens is when they need something done in
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  Speaker 2: the community, they say they call me, and.
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  Speaker 3: You know who I'm calling.
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  Speaker 2: I'm calling to somebody that's a democratic office to help you.
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  Speaker 2: So when you tell me that, it's so it's so
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  Speaker 2: asinine to me with friends of mine. So all these
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: people ain't doing nothing for us. They don't do nothing,
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  Speaker 2: But you called me. And who the hell you think
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  Speaker 2: I'm calling? Like, who you thinking? Who you think I'm gonna.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: Call the help?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on in the community When you say we
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: needed to do a block party and or lesson, we
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: need permits and we need to get all these things.
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  Speaker 3: Who you think I'm gonna call and say, hey, we
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  Speaker 3: wanted and some.
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  Speaker 4: People might feel like a permit or whatever. You know,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: that's just one thing. But I know, like, for instance, my.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Relationship with Eric Adams was clearly very strange.
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  Speaker 4: But I can tell you that when I needed information,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: people get arrested, and you know, stuff be happening in
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: New York with our friends, their kids and family members.
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  Speaker 1: There were people I could call in this administration.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, in one instance I called about something
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  Speaker 4: and even though the relationship was strained, he went and
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: looked into it himself to see what.
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  Speaker 1: Was going on.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely does not exist that same way when I'm
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: in cities and places where there.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Are people who are not Democratic leaders. That's just the truth.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a reality. So that's what I'm trying to
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: How do we get tricked into believe in that dumb shit?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it doesn't even make sense.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make the Democrats, No.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make them perfectly, because we definitely have to
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  Speaker 2: call them out. We have to, and it's some of
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: them that just ain't shit at all. But I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to tell you, I don't know any Republican that
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  Speaker 2: anybody that I know can call to get things happen
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  Speaker 2: in outside our community. I don't know, And I know
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: the people that tell me that they don't know don't nobody.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And the closest person they might know to anybody with
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  Speaker 2: their government is me. And you calling me to help
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: you with stuff, but telling me that the Democrats don't.
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  Speaker 3: Do shit for you. It is the faust.
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  Speaker 1: So that's always the way that it is. Right.
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  Speaker 4: You have families right now who have lost their children
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: who have said, you know, to some sort of state
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: sanctioned violence, and they've said I prior to this moment,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: wasn't involved in a movement at all. I wasn't involved
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: in the movement matter. In fact, I thought that was
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: just some wax shit. They got nothing to do with me.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: And now that I am.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: Actually in the system and trying to navigate this system
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: to address whatever my child, my loved one, I am now.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Sharing the message don't wait until it's your child.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: I've heard that over and over again by families, and
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  Speaker 4: so what often happens is that people don't see it
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: until they feel it. And you know, what we try
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: to fight for every day is that you won't have
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: to feel it and without holding you, without without judging
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  Speaker 4: you for where you may or may not have been
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: ignorant to what it takes to like move the wheels.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: And I get it because for most people, their position
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: is that they want.
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  Speaker 1: The whole pie.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: They and we deserve that, and they would be right
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: to say that they're tied a piecemeal. They're tied at
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: these you know, short hand wins. They want real, deep,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: systemic change, And I get that, and I understand it, and
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: I respect it, and I wish I, you know, could
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: be responsible for making all.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: The changes at once.
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  Speaker 4: But I do know one thing there's a system that
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: exists in America where there are people who are in charge,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: who get to make decisions about your lives, your children's lives,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: and all of us collectively. And while there are people
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: who maybe working to change it dismantle it, I truly
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: do believe we're in a moment where.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a different thing that exists.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: While that is happening, still, this system has the ability
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: to really harm people, and we have to be engaged
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: in building and protecting at the same time.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: I have to, we have to, we can, we can't.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: I keep saying it, and I'll say it again. I'm
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: tired of having, you know, symbolic wins. I'm tired of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: having symbolism. I'm tired of dying on the cross. I'm
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: tired of not to take anything you know from the Bible.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: But it's just just like, I want to see us
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  Speaker 2: actually win something to where we actually benefit. I'm tired
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: of our leaders going out taking shots and he dying
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: at thirty, broken off out of I'm tired of those
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: levels of winds and moral victories. I'm tired of that.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: I actually want us to be strategic. I actually want
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: to see us prosper I want to see evolved. I
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: want us to create generational wealth. I want us to
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: actually be able to thrive and live, you know, And
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: that's that's what I hope for. And I just think
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: in order to get there, we have to understand strategy,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: and we got to put pieces in play. When you
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: play chess, you don't just come out with your first
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: piece and just try to get checkmate. No, you sacrifice
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: a pawn. You might have to sacrifice the night. You
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: have to push your porn. You got to move the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: queen out the way. The queen might have to protect you.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Like this strategy, It just ain't you just go out
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: there and say no, I want it, no strategy. These
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: people are playing with strategy. They're playing chess and you
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: playing checkers. And this is why we keep losing, because
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: they're like, nah, I won't you just jump the piece.
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  Speaker 3: Just go out there and fight face to fait. No,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: they're not fighting you.
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  Speaker 2: Face to face because they know they can't beat you
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: face to face. So you playing by her Wilow said,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: you playing by a set of rules that nobody even
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: playing by. You got a handbook, were rules that nobody
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: even playing by.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: No more and by the way, my son as bend it.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: People say the system don't mean nothing, but they using it.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: They are using this system.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: I want to end it. But a woman that I'm
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: working with shout out to Tan Adrian. We was having
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: this conversation today and she was talking about different cultures
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: and how they utilize this system and how she worked
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: with this, and she said, I daily watched different cultures
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: take this system and the welfare system and all these things,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: and these people are profited and utilizing it. These billionaires
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: that you talk about, they've utilized this system. And we
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: telling our people that we need to pull ourselves up
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: our bootstraps and we don't need no.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Help from nobody else.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: And everybody else that actually is winning in America is
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: utilizing it, benefiting off everything in America except for us.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: And we built it.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: And with that said, we've come to the end of
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: another episode. I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika D.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Marris and not gonna always be wrong, but we will
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: both always and I mean always be authentic.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: That's how we