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Patriots Catch-22 8/25: Preseason Week 2 Recap, Reported Boutte Trade, Depth Talk · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: I think we're live now. I think we're good. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: let's start, I think. Had some technical difficulties there.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: It happens. If we are on here, hello. How we doing? Bartha,
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  Speaker 1: we have something to talk about today. I had a
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  Speaker 1: whole thing planned to talk about... the game on Saturday night,
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  Speaker 1: some of the practices that we've seen since the last
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  Speaker 1: time we were on the air. Uh, but then yesterday afternoon, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we find out that the Patriots reportedly still not officially
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  Speaker 1: announced yet, uh, reportedly have traded Keishon booty to the
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  Speaker 1: Houston Texans, uh, for safety Jalen Reed and a 2028
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  Speaker 1: draft pick. So, uh, you know, obviously a lot to
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  Speaker 1: react to this trade Keishon booty, uh, trading him in general, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Reed and the players are getting back for him. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the wide receiver room fallout from this trade as well. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but just starting with Keishon booty, I think we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about this, uh, with ACE before the show started,
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  Speaker 1: we have watched Keishon booty here in new England, uh,
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  Speaker 1: as Patriots fans and observers, we have watched Kayshaun Booty
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  Speaker 1: kind of rise from the ashes. A guy that was
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  Speaker 1: drafted in the sixth round that didn't get his foot
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  Speaker 1: in bounds in his very first NFL game on a
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  Speaker 1: catch along the sideline, which put him in the doghouse
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  Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick, which basically made him redshirt his entire
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  Speaker 1: rookie year. And then we watched him get better and
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  Speaker 1: better and better to the point where he was a
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  Speaker 1: big contributor for a team that made the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: So there is... I guess, sentimental value that we have
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  Speaker 1: with the player built up equity that we have with
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  Speaker 1: Keishon booty that I think we need to recognize the
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  Speaker 1: other 31 teams in the league are not thinking of
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  Speaker 1: Kayshaun Booty as this long-term, look at where he's come
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  Speaker 1: up from, look at him rise from the ashes, a
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver that the Patriots actually developed and drafted and developed.
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  Speaker 1: They're not looking at it that way as the other
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  Speaker 1: 31 teams. The other 31 teams are seeing 33 catches
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  Speaker 1: for 500 yards and six touchdowns. That's the production. Now
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  Speaker 1: we might look at that a little bit differently than
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  Speaker 1: they do because of the history that we have with
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  Speaker 1: Keishon booty. Uh, but what I'm getting at is we
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  Speaker 1: have discussed on this show multiple times. I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 1: discussed it on your 17 shows as well. The market
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  Speaker 1: for Keishon booty was never what Patriots fans thought of
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  Speaker 1: Keishon booty. So I'm not telling you have to like trade, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that I don't think any of
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  Speaker 1: us are that shocked here sitting here on today on
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, uh, As we record this, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: any of us are that shocked that they didn't get
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  Speaker 1: blown away with an offer for Keishon Booty. Like when
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  Speaker 1: you were hearing things like second round picks, third round picks,
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  Speaker 1: things like that, that was never on the table for
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  Speaker 1: Keishon Booty. So as much as I understand why people
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  Speaker 1: are underwhelmed by the return and it does feel like
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  Speaker 1: an underwhelming return on the surface.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I also don't think that there was ever going to
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  Speaker 1: be anything much better than this on the table based
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  Speaker 1: on the market. So that's my initial reaction to the trade.
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  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of other thoughts, but what's your
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  Speaker 1: initial reaction to it as well?
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  Speaker 3: Um, underwhelming return, but I understand why they did it
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  Speaker 3: and we can get to, you know, Jalen Reed and
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  Speaker 3: maybe some of what he brings. I think you highlighted
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  Speaker 3: an important point that, uh, I think something you just
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  Speaker 3: noted is a very important piece in why this happened.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the way the rest of the league
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  Speaker 3: viewed Kayshaun Booty. So if you, and I think people
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  Speaker 3: look at the return at different levels. If you're somebody
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  Speaker 3: who's really low on the return and you wanted Kayshaun
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  Speaker 3: Booty here and you believed, oh, well, you know, he'll
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  Speaker 3: be fine with the backup role or whatever. Take that
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  Speaker 3: return and translate that into a contract. That's what Kayshaun
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  Speaker 3: Booty was looking at if he hit the market in
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  Speaker 3: for agency without adding to his production, significantly adding to
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  Speaker 3: his production, right? That's why he ultimately wanted out because
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  Speaker 3: he wants to increase his value in the eyes of
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  Speaker 3: the league before he hits the open market.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so then if you're the pay, that's part of
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  Speaker 3: what makes him the odd man out. If you're the Patriots,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Oh, why couldn't they have moved off of
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  Speaker 3: Mac Hollins instead? Well, Mac Hollins is okay with that
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  Speaker 3: lesser role. We, I mean, I assume I haven't asked him,
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  Speaker 3: but he did it last year. Seemed fine with it.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams is on the second year.
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams doesn't really have a choice, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's on the second year of the same rookie
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  Speaker 1: contract Keishon Booty was on, but Keishon Booty's on the
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  Speaker 1: fourth year of the contract instead of the second, so
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  Speaker 1: they have team control of Kyle Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Efton Chisholm, kind of the same thing, also plays a
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  Speaker 3: different role.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can both say.
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  Speaker 2: He..
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  Speaker 3: I understand why Keishon Booty was the odd man out.
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  Speaker 3: I understand why they traded him. The return is disappointing,
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  Speaker 3: but looking back, like, the more I look at it,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, it makes some more sense. Like, the
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  Speaker 3: big thing is going to be, what does Jalen Reed
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  Speaker 3: become for the Patriots, and what does Keishon Booty do
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  Speaker 3: for the Texans? Because your thing the whole time was
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  Speaker 3: just don't trade into an AFC contender.
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  Speaker 1: That's the part of the trade I like the least.
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  Speaker 3: And the more I look at it the same way,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see what Jalen Reed is. If Jalen Reed, and
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  Speaker 3: I see some people talking like Jalen Reed might not
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  Speaker 3: even make the team. Jalen Reed's on the team.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You don't make this trade for him. If you don't,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not, if Jalen.
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  Speaker 3: Reed doesn't make the team, we can revisit this. And
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  Speaker 3: then it's a major mistake, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't he make less than a week
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  Speaker 1: from roster cuts?
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  Speaker 3: Just cause I've seen some people say that. So just
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  Speaker 3: to put it out there.
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  Speaker 1: What is he going to do in the next six days,
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  Speaker 1: five days, that's going to make him not make the team.
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  Speaker 3: I think some people look at it cause he was
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  Speaker 3: a backup in Houston, only played seven games last year.
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  Speaker 3: He was hurt. He actually started both playoff games for
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  Speaker 3: them as a rookie, which is notable, but, You know,
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  Speaker 3: if Kate Shambuti's going off and putting up big games
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  Speaker 3: for the Texans, as the Texans and the Patriots are
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  Speaker 3: kind of right there battling in the standings, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to get looked at a little differently, right? So, especially
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  Speaker 3: if Jalen Reed's not playing a ton. I think Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Reed might actually play a little bit for the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: and not just on special teams. Yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 3: get to Jalen Reed. Yeah, like, I think people have
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  Speaker 3: a right to be disappointed with the return. The reporting
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  Speaker 3: was in May that it was a fifth-round pick, which...
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  Speaker 3: I think some people wouldn't have felt great about, but
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  Speaker 3: it's obviously a little more. I do think some people view, again,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to come down to, I do think some
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  Speaker 3: people view Jalen Reed as a throw-in. Jalen Reed's not
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  Speaker 3: a throw-in. Jalen Reed is a player who's going to
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  Speaker 3: be on the roster. Real quick, funny story, and then
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  Speaker 3: we can get to Jalen Reed. My buddy, who's like
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  Speaker 3: a pretty casual football fan, like he's a Pats fan,
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  Speaker 3: but outside of that, he plays fantasy and he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: really follow all the teams closely. And he usually is
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  Speaker 3: pretty pessimistic on any deal the Patriots make. He's a
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  Speaker 3: big Keishon Booty fan too. Text me, he goes, wow,
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  Speaker 3: what a trade. I'm like, You actually like it? Like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised. He goes, yeah, dude, Jalen Reed can play.
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  Speaker 3: I loved watching him. I'm like, I didn't know. And
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  Speaker 3: he hates college football more than you. Like, zero. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you're like a big fan of his at Penn State? Like,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? He goes, no, like the Guardian cap guy, right?
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  Speaker 3: He's a big hitter. I thought they traded for Jalen Petrie,
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  Speaker 3: which would be a very different trade.
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  Speaker 1: They traded for a player that..
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  Speaker 3: They traded for Jalen Petrie's backup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they traded for a player that they hope could
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  Speaker 1: be something like Jalen Petrie.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to share that. I thought that was funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say... We kind of hit it
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  Speaker 1: both directions here, which I think is good. From the
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  Speaker 1: market angle, from the Patriots angle of this trade, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that the market was as hot for Keishon
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  Speaker 1: Booty as everybody would think here locally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the one other thing I meant to say,
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  Speaker 3: and this is my bigger second guess on the trade,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe there's some semantics here. If they had made
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  Speaker 3: this trade, Rosser cuts headlines Sunday at 6 o'clock, Sunday
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  Speaker 3: 6 p.m. If they'd made this trade at 530 on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: I'd feel a little better about it solely for the
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  Speaker 3: reason that like, all right, this is what out there.
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  Speaker 3: You got it done at the buzzer. You had to
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  Speaker 3: trade him, whatever. Again, I get why he had to
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  Speaker 3: be traded. There's a part of me that's like, there's
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  Speaker 3: still wide receiver needy teams out there. Could they have
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  Speaker 3: waited and seen if anybody got a little more desperate
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  Speaker 3: this week and offered any more? Maybe not. Maybe the
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  Speaker 3: Texans put a clock on this offer. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't in the room. That honestly was my big
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  Speaker 3: second guess was could you at least run it down
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  Speaker 3: to the buzzer and seen if anybody came up with
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  Speaker 3: something in the 11th hour that was more than this.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe there was a reason they couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure the Texans obviously would rather get it done sooner. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we want to get him in our offense. We want
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  Speaker 3: to get him working with C.J. Stroud, all of that. Understandable.
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  Speaker 3: I do wonder why now and why not run it
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  Speaker 3: out until the latest he possibly could.
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  Speaker 1: So the other argument, of course, in that same vein,
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  Speaker 1: is there's kind of two windows to trade him. One
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  Speaker 1: was now and one was the trade deadline in season.
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  Speaker 1: So could you have held on to him until I
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  Speaker 1: think it's like early November?
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  Speaker 3: See, I didn't like that to me was a lose-lose.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what I was getting at because
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that take out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How is his value sitting on the bench today? where
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get him for less games. If you're
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  Speaker 1: the team that's trading for him, going to go up.
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  Speaker 3: If somebody really gets hurt, which I would be the
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  Speaker 3: one thing you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know how his value increases here at,
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  Speaker 1: you know, riding the bench behind AJ Brown and Romeo Dobbs.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to the trade deadline. And remember
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these trades, we don't look at it
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  Speaker 1: this way necessarily as much, but teams look at it
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  Speaker 1: as how many games are we getting team connections? of
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  Speaker 1: this player for? So, so the Texans are going to
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  Speaker 1: get the whole season now from Keishon booty. If they
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  Speaker 1: trade for him at the trade deadline, they're only going
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  Speaker 1: to get eight or eight or nine games from him.
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  Speaker 1: That team that's different. That is a different amount of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a different trade at that point. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's from both angles. From the Patriots' angle,
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  Speaker 1: I think that they've been chopping Keishon Booty. We really
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  Speaker 1: started to hear that this, I would say, strongly around
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  Speaker 1: the draft. So this has been going on since April
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  Speaker 1: that they've been monitoring the market to trade Keishon Booty.
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  Speaker 1: The package offers never really got crazy. They never really
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  Speaker 1: got desperate. They never really got anything of real substance
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  Speaker 1: in terms of draft pick compensation. That's that side of it.
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  Speaker 1: And we were on the crossover podcast and we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about offers for Keishon booty. And I said on
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  Speaker 1: that show, if they had gotten a third round pick
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  Speaker 1: offer so far for Keishon booty, he would already be gone.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like this is just not materializing the way. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing is what you said, which is from his perspective
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  Speaker 1: of how, you know, maximizing his value on the last year.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a great spot for him, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: let's throw that in there. Like happy for him. The
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  Speaker 3: thing I'll say about the trade deadline that, Maybe his
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  Speaker 3: value goes up. Say, like, Devite. Well, they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to because they don't have a quarterback. But some good
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: team starts off 6-2, 7-2, loses their top receiver. Like,
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  Speaker 3: now maybe Booty has more value because that team is
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  Speaker 3: more desperate. I still think holding on, even though that
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  Speaker 3: could happen, holding on, Tim, until the trade deadline was
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  Speaker 3: a lose-lose because you still end up without Keyshawn Booty,
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  Speaker 3: but you also lose that other roster spot you would
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  Speaker 3: have had to start the season and he would have
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  Speaker 3: been sitting on the bench is mostly non-contributing players. So
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  Speaker 3: the deadline for me was roster cuts. When I say,
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  Speaker 3: could they have waited until the end? The end was
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  Speaker 3: Sunday at six o'clock to me. The end was roster cuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't going to be on the 53, but you
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  Speaker 3: could have still carried him on the 90 for another week.
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  Speaker 3: And again, maybe somebody goes nuts and that clock's ticking
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  Speaker 3: down and maybe they think certain wide receivers are going
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  Speaker 3: to be waved or that aren't getting waved. And it's
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  Speaker 3: all right. Like, here we go. We'll yeah. We'll, we'll
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  Speaker 3: give you a little more, Um, that is, I just
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  Speaker 3: said something that reminded me of another take I had
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  Speaker 3: on this and I'm trying to remember what it was. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't, I also don't think they were ever going
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  Speaker 3: to keep seven. I don't think that was ever realistic,
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  Speaker 3: especially after Vrabel's comment about the depth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason I say that, because I see some
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  Speaker 3: people saying, well, you're complaining about the depth and you
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  Speaker 3: trade this really good depth player.
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  Speaker 1: Let me hold that thought because this is related to
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Reed and I know where you're going.
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  Speaker 3: So just borrow from one to take.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So let me just tee it up with this before
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: you get to safety.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Are they still deep at receiver?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Agree.
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  Speaker 3: And now they're deep in a deeper and another position.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So last thing on, and then I want to segue
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  Speaker 1: into exactly what you were just getting into. Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 1: since he's gotten here, has been very cognizant of the
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  Speaker 1: locker room and the vibes in the locker room, the culture,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He's been very cognizant of that.
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  Speaker 1: Kajan Booty has been an absolute a great soldier about this.
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  Speaker 1: He's done everything right about this. He's done everything, you know,
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  Speaker 1: above board about this. To the point where Todd Downing,
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  Speaker 1: the wide receivers coach, is saying he's going to use
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  Speaker 1: it as future coaching examples of how to handle a
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  Speaker 1: situation like this, a difficult situation for a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Keyshawn Booty, who could not have handled it better.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That being said, if you're a coach and you're very
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  Speaker 1: cognizant of the culture and in the locker room, Having
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  Speaker 1: a guy that feels like he should be playing, having
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's not maximizing his contract value in a
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  Speaker 1: contract season, going into free agency next year, losing playing time,
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  Speaker 1: significant playing time, and sitting on the bench. That to
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  Speaker 1: me feels like some of the moves, other moves Vrabel
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  Speaker 1: has made since he got here, that they just don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be in a position where not everybody is
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  Speaker 1: on the program and not everybody is pulling the rope
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  Speaker 1: in the same direction. And I'm not saying that Keishon
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  Speaker 1: Booty wasn't doing that up until this point. But when
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday passes and a Sunday passes and a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: passes and he's still standing there with his helmet off
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  Speaker 1: on the sideline, It's just human nature.
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  Speaker 3: You're asking. I think what people lose track of, you
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  Speaker 3: can be not every player that's disgruntled as being a diva.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You can understand I'd be disgruntled. He'd be rightfully disgruntled.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so the other point that I wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: to is Jalen Reed. and just talking about him as
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  Speaker 1: a player, you just mentioned exactly what I think this
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  Speaker 1: trade was about. They talked about depth and a lack
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  Speaker 1: of depth. I think specifically, actually, one of the exercises
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do before this news broke yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to here in a little bit, is what
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  Speaker 1: positions do they have depth in and what positions do
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  Speaker 1: they not have depth in to our eye, to our opinions.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the money quote from after the game
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  Speaker 1: from Mike Vrabel. Elliot Wolfe actually said kind of the
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  Speaker 1: same thing at halftime to the McCourty's on the game broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: But the Vrabel quote was a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: Direct headline grabby.
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  Speaker 1: So the money quote of I don't think we're a
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  Speaker 1: very deep team right now, Mike Reese, that that was
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  Speaker 1: the money quote that everybody has written and everybody has highlighted.
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  Speaker 1: The wide receiver room was seven deep. The safety room,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: which is something that we have talked about on this show,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: was really too deep. And maybe if my guide, who
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I have built an island for, by the way, where
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: we have another island for John Saunders, maybe John Saunders
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: has made a push here in training camp to make
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the roster.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: But..
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: They definitely felt like Craig Woodson and Kevin Bayard were
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: really all they had at safety. And I also want
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: to talk about the specific type of safety that Jalen
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Reed is right. And how that brings value to the
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: team as a bigger nickel or a dime backer in
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: a way that I actually think, even though it's not
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: exactly the same position, it kind of helps your safety
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and linebacker depth in a way to have a player
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: like this. So Jalen Reed, who's a guy, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: when he was coming out of Penn state, I found
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: him on my spreadsheet. I did watch him at Penn state.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I remember the player. I think the description that you
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: hear about the player, especially the way I wrote him up,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: is similar to like a Kyle Duggar or Jabril Peppers,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: but I think he moves a lot looser and more fluid.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: So body type the exact same as Jabril Peppers.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think very different type of player, though, in
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: terms of how he moves on the field. I think
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he's a better cover player and a better space player
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: than those two guys. Probably not as physical at the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: point of attack as those two players. You know, I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: don't think that he's taken on pulling linemen and stuff
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: like that quite like those two guys can, but I
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: think he covers better and covers more ground and space
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: better than those two players. But the idea of Jalen Reed,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and I said this last night with your buddy, Joe Murray,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the idea of Jalen Reed, I love now. is Jalen
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Reed going to develop into that player that is yet
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: to be determined, right? It's too early to determine whether
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: or not he's that guy yet. We have been talking
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: about on this show all summer long. Do they have
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: three safeties that they can play at once? Do they
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have a third safety? Mike Brown hasn't stuck. How it
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: hasn't worked. Good spring tailed off in the summer. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: believe that Del Pettis is a special teams player. I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: don't think Del Pettis is a guy that you want
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: playing too much defense, at least not building a package
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: around a player like Del Pettis. John Saunders, again, is
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: another one of these guys that's a training camp breakout player,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: but he's doing it against twos and threes. The pick
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: he had in the joint practice was against Cole Payton,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: who's the fourth string quarterback for the Eagles. Like that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was the types of guys he was playing with, not
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: taking anything away from what he's done, but who he's
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: playing with is important. You know, he's playing in preseason
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: games in the second half. He's playing against two threes
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and fours in joint practices. Like that's the group he's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: running with right now. So they haven't moved him up
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the depth chart, so to speak. So with Jalen Reed,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I really liked the player type. I think that that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: box slot safety, whatever you want to call it, nickel
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: dime backer, that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Kind of slot corner safety, a little bit of linebacker is.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Six feet to 12 and plays with urgency and plays
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: with physicality. That kind of player is becoming extremely important
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: in the NFL because teams are putting more and more
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: beef on the field. Offensively, they're putting multiple tight ends.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Obviously the Rams play with three tight ends a lot.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Now that's popularized across the league in the super bowl,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, how did the Seahawks eventually break through offensively?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It was two tight end sets and handing the ball
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: off to Kenneth.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Defensively. What gave the Patriots fits blitzing? And I'm not
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: saying he's these players, but blitzing Devin Witherspoon and Nick
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: even worry from the spot that you're describing.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So I think just looking at the Seahawks offense for
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a second in the Superbowl, they played 25 snaps in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: 12 personnel, two tight ends on the field. Their success
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: rate in 12 personnel is 40%. Their play success rate
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: when they were in 11 personnel, three wide receiver, their
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: play success rate dropped to 29%. So the Patriots defense
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was winning when the Seahawks were in three wide receiver.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So what did the Seahawks do? They put multiple tight
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: ends on the field. They started running the football and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they started featuring the tight ends in the passing game.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Because the Patriots were playing three corner nickel. They were
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: playing standard three corner nickel, which was the base of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: their defense all year last year. It was Christian Gonzalez,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, Craig Woodson, Jalen Hawkins. Now just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: take Hawkins out and put Bayard in. It was, that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: was the group, those five guys. And the one Achilles
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: heel of that type of defense and playing that much
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: three quarter nickel, especially when your nickel is Marcus Jones,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: who we all love, but it's just smaller. That's just the,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it's just physics. He's just a smaller guy that all the,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the Achilles heel of all of that is teams that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: can put big personnel on the field offensively, and can
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: run the football at you. With a guy like Jalen Reed,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: in theory, and again, this is just theoretical more than
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it is real tangible, but in theory, Jalen Reed can
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: be a... bigger stouter nickel than a guy like Marcus Jones,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but you're not giving up all of the coverage. He's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: not a linebacker.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So I love the role. I've been pounding the table
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: for them to play more three safety and getting somebody
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that could play more three safety. I thought it might
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: be Mike Brown. It's not going to be Mike Brown.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I then thought maybe, okay, what if you put John
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Saunders in the deep part of the field and you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: let Craig Woodson play the nickel, right? And you kind
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of move it around that way, kind of get there
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in more of a backwards way. Doesn't feel like they
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think John Saunders is pushing as much as we do.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: But even if he does, like they're going to keep four, right?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: So John Saunders is your backup deep safety.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He's like in a perfect world. I think he's like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Daron Harmon.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Like if you lose, I don't think John Saunders is
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: part of this equation.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Not exactly.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: If you lose Kevin Bayard, you're not putting Jalen Reed
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: back there.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: No, he's his own type of player.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Honestly, the guys that I think it impacts the most
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: on the roster in terms of roster chance are that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: group of Charles Woods, Karan Pranti, Kendall Vildorff.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: At corner. Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: So I think it impacts guys like Del Pettis and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Mike Brown.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: So Del Pettis... I honestly just kind of don't even
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: have Brown on the bubble at this point, if I'm
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: being honest. That's fair. Pettis is on the list, too.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I just look at it as... Who's their backup slot
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: corner right now? For all we've talked about, the third
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: boundary corner..
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Charles Woods has probably played that the most, but now
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: it's probably Jalen Reed.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And also, Charles Woods is also your top backup boundary guy.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Right. So..
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: If he's both, you'd have to carry another corner, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they still might keep Vildor or Prunty anyway, but now
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: he gives you some more flexibility in the slot, some
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: more depth in the slot that you didn't have, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: maybe that keeps you keeping a corner. If we're going
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to go really nuts, and maybe I'm getting a little
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: out over my skis here, Evan, but does he, because
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: he's going to play special teams too, play a lot
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of special teams for Texas, the linebacker depth really isn't there.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Does he maybe save them from keeping that fifth linebacker?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And is it, you know, does he take Khalil Jacobs
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: spot or KJ Britt spot or Chad Moomins spot and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: on the OBizer spot and that, you know, key saves
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you a spot for, you might have to keep 10
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: offensive linemen, depending on what's happening with Marcus Bryant and
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Ben Brown. And I think it's more spread out over
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: the depth chart than just he's on this guy's off.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Pettis is a part of it too. I don't think
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: he impacts John Saunders a ton in terms of the roster,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: but I think it's, There's, you know, maybe guys battling
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: for the last depth spot at a few positions that
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you can now just fire right where we have Jalen Reed.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: We maybe don't need to keep this guy.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So..
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of the player. I love the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: role that they probably have in mind for him. There's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys around the league that play that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: safety nickel position that are really good players. His teammate
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in Houston, Jalen Petrie, is one of the best, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: would say. He's a little bit bigger than Petrie, but
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I think the Texans drafted him thinking that they were
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: going to be kind of... redundant type of skill sets
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that they could back up Petrie, who does play a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: very physical car crash kind of position and gets hurt
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: every once in a while. You know, the other guy
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that he reminds me of that ironically is also on
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Houston now is CJ Gardner Johnson, like similar kind of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: player like that. He's not Nick Eamon Worry. Nick Eamon
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Worry is much bigger.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's going to get thrown at Eamon Worry.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Similar roles, but..
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Why can't I think of his name for the Chargers?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Derwin James.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Not close to as thick and as big
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: as those guys.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: But the role's the same in theory.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a role that's becoming a lot more
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: popular across the league. I love the idea of them
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: being able to be in a bigger nickel or even
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a three-safety dime package. with him on the field. It
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: allows you to, you know, he can cover tight ends.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: He can cover backs out of the backfield, like dynamic
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: pass catching backs. I would not necessarily suggest him covering
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: slot receivers. He's done it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: He's not like a big slot.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't loved the tape that I, that I saw.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't cover digs in the playoffs last year. Didn't he?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He, unlike if like, he kind of got there and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: zone and stuff like that. He, he had some man
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: matchups against Cleo Shakir in that Buffalo game that went
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: kind of rough. So I wouldn't necessarily say that that's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a strength of his, but it's something that he could
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: possibly do.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: You're facing 12 personnel. Like you don't have a slot receiver, right?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So I, this is a, the player type is something
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that I have really been jonesing for them to have now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I'll add one more too.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: He's, They have him for three years, including... He was
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: drafted last year, so they still have him under contract
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: for three years, including this one. Plenty of team control.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: This is not a rental for a rental. They got, like,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: a guy that should be here for the long term.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So I probably... too enthusiastic about him right now based
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: off of what he's done in the NFL. Uh, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's more for me, the excitement is coming
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: from the role that he could possibly play for this
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: team versus it's.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: The idea of it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And I, so I, I think that that's a big thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I also just keep on harping on, we have, uh,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: recycled on this show of flavor of the week. Third
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: safeties since the spring, Mike Brown, John Saunders, uh, whoever
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it may be. And they just haven't found anybody that sticks.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So I think that he's got value in terms of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: his versatility and what he can bring to that secondary.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: That's a little bit different. than Bayard and Woodson. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, I kind of feel like he's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: depth at two different positions in a way, because instead
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of playing a third linebacker a lot, you're probably going
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to play Jalen Reed in the box some more than
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: what you were going to do with the third linebacker.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And so in, in some ways it's kind of like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: reinforcements for that, both of those spots. So I, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: really liked the idea of the trade. Let's see if
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the player can, can realize the potential.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: At Penn state. I thought he was, I thought he
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was under drafted. Like I thought he should have gone
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: earlier than the six round pick. I thought he was
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: going to go in like the fourth or fifth round.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: When I looked back last night at where I had him,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I ended up going in the sixth round and, So
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see. It's a, it's a fun player to play
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with though, for Zach core and Mike Rabel. And I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: like the, that they're thinking this way that they want
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to get three safety, you know, centric and be able
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to do that sort of thing. So, you know, one last,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like kind of comp, if you're not as familiar with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: some of those other guys. it's basically what the Patriots
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: used to do with Patrick Chung. Like it's the same
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, as Chung on the tight
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: end in the box, sometimes in the slot as well,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it was Devin McCourty and Duran Harmon in the deep
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: part of the field. That's going to be Craig Woodson
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and Kevin Bayard. And hopefully Jalen Reed is going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be the guy playing near the football in the box.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So exciting that they have this player. Now we'll see
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: if Jalen Reed, uh, can live up to it and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: can develop into that kind of guy. That's more of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a regular contributor, but I'm hearing, and I know I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: going to argue with, with Paul about this on PU.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Cause we talked about it off the air. I'm hearing
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of, the Patriots traded Keishon booty for a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: special teamer. And I personally think that that's selling Jalen
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Reed short. I think he's a better player than that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to play special teams, but Del Pettis.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Is a special teamer and this is not a knock
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: on Del Pettis, but Del Pettis is a special teamer.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You know, those are the types of guys that you see.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: If Chad Mooma makes this roster, he's going to make
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the roster mostly to cover kicks. Like that's going to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: be his role on this team. I think Jalen Reed is,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: showed last year with the Texans, even though it was
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: limited sample size, that he can play on defense and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that this can be a true nickel or dime backer
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that can play in packages up for you on defense.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Last thing, just to put a bow on this whole discussion,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and then we'll get into some of the other stuff.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that we've seen. That's not Keishon booty trade related. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: just want to break down where they're at at wide
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: receiver here now. So obviously AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs, pop
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Douglas has been pretty consistently the top three with, with
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Douglas in the slot. I also think that people are
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: sort of forgetting that Matt Collins was basically had the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: same production as Keishon booty last year in this offense.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And then Kyle Williams, who is, was on my ups
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and three up, three down when we get to that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: in the second hour of the show. you, you all,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: everybody wants Kyle Williams to develop and see what they
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: have with him. Well, he's got to play. If he's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: going to develop, I, I, I just feel like they
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have enough there. Plenty, honestly, at receiver, they have a backup.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They have two backups that can play base receiver snaps
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Williams and Matt Collins. If AJ Brown or
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs goes down, you know, this is, it was
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: an extra added layer of depth. I'm excited to see
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: if Kyle will can step into a bigger role is
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, a guy. And I, you know, we've talked
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: about this before is Kyle Williams, a guy that can
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: catch 25 passes for 500 yards or 30 passes for
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: 500 yards. Just like Keishon booty.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: You'd hope so.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: An average 16, 17 yards of catch. Cause they're all, uh,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: 40 yard bombs down the field. You know, like that,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's the type of guy that you're hoping that Kyle
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Williams is going to turn into. So I think that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: they have plenty at that receiver position. And this probably
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: means Efton Chisholm sticks around as well as a backup
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: slot too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to, I don't think you're going
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: to cut another guy. Now you're probably going to stay
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: at six, but everybody kind of slots into their role.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And I think you laid it out. Well, Matt Collins
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: is going to be as involved as he was last year,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: which I think some people miss just how involved he was.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: You hope for more from Kyle Williams, especially as that
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: downfield threat that Keishon Booty was. And then everybody else,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll see what happens with Brown and Dobbs.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Everybody else is kind of in the role they were
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: in last year.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So I really feel like they're still okay at receiver.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: The positions that they aren't okay at, I want to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: get to now. So this was the exercise I had
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: planned originally for the top of the show until... this
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: news came last night with Keishon booty. So I mentioned
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it earlier, you know, the money quote from Rabel. I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: don't think we have a very deep team from the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: game the other night. So what I wanted to do
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: is I wanted to break up the roster by position
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and just what areas of the roster do we feel
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like they have depth and are good with depth and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: what areas of the roster are they still too thin?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So now we can cross safety off of the still
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: too thin, I think.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's on the good side, just to use
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: an example. So I have one, two, three, four, five,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: six positions where I think they have..
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I thought we were just going to go position by position.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of broke them up already.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I put them in buckets. Good, bad.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Very simple.
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  Speaker 3: I thought we were just going to do like quarterback,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: running back, receiver.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Well, we kind of are.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. So..
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: In terms of good depth on the team.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think I just said I have six.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Position groups. Quarterback.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Quarterback's its own thing. Like, nobody really has good depth
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: at quarterback.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: They have fine depth at quarterback.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're fine, but it's... They have the MVP runner-up.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: DeVito's a backup that's played in the league and started
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: games in the league. And when we got... Well, did
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you see that they... It was the fourth quarter of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a preseason game, but hey, look. He put some good
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: tape out there in the second half of a preseason game,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: so good for him.
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  Speaker 3: It was ESPN or somebody did, like, the... depth rankings
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: for all 32 teams at quarterback. And they had the
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Patriots like 11th. Cause they didn't love Tommy DeVito, but like.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I don't, yeah. I mean, Tommy DeVito is not crazy
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: good or anything, but if Tommy DeVito had to.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Play, he does a fine backup, but it's, I think
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: depth at quarterback is a weird conversation because.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, well we don't have to get bogged down by
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the semantics of death.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: No.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Cause that list annoyed me. If you have a really
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: good start and you lose them, it's not worth having
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the caliber of backup that would replace that guy. Because
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: if you have a quarterback that good, you should be
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: maximizing your roster. And just a backup quarterback is not
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: going to do that. So, okay, you have a pretty
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: steep drop-off. If you don't have a steep drop-off from
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: your starter, your backup, you're the Minnesota Vikings. You're the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings with J.J. McCarthy and Kyler. Congratulations. If you
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: have two quarterbacks, you have none.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care about quarterbacks. My take on backup quarterbacks is,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I always look at backup quarterbacks as like, if your
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: starter had to miss two games, can you win in
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the meantime so that when your starter comes back, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I think the real best example, recent example, is our
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: guy Mac Jones last year for the Niners. He came
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in with the Niners, kept their season afloat, and then
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: when Brock Purdy came back, they still had a season.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: And I think Tommy DeVito's not Mac Jones, but if
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: he needs to win a game or two, they could
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: do a lot worse.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It just, no team that has a quarterback as good
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: as Drake may, it's going to survive losing Drake May
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: for a season. Like if he has to miss the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: entire year for something or God forbid, knock on wood,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: then they're not going to, they're not going to have
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: a good year. Like this isn't Matt Castle in oh eight, right?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Like this isn't, that's not going to happen. But if
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Drake may has to miss two games, a game, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: something like that, I think Tommy DeVito can keep them afloat.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they have enough there. They can
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: devise a game plan and Josh McDaniels can come up
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: with a game plan to win a game with Tommy DeVito.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I believe that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Next position. I still think their running back depth is fine.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I still feel pretty good about it. They have two solid,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: really good backs in Ramondre Stevenson and Travion Henderson at
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the top. whether it's land layers in jam Miller, Hassan
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Haskins is the third guy. I don't feel great about it,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: but when you have two guys like Ramond Ray and Henderson,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I think you have pretty decent running back depth. Like
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: those are two guys that could go for a thousand
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: yards in a season. I feel pretty okay there. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: still feel we talked about it just now. I still
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: feel they're good at wide receiver. I think they have
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: plenty of depth of wide receiver still.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Safety cross that one off now. The one thing that
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're good with depth here, I don't
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: know how you feel about it, is offensive tackle. It's
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a one spot on the line on either side of
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Where are they at with Marcus Bryant? If Marcus Bryant's
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: good to go for week one, they're okay.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I think they have, if Marcus Bryan is assuming that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that's not like a severe season ender, I think they
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: have four tackles that I feel okay about in that spot.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Caleb Luma has had a rough preseason. He's had a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: rough rookie camp, but he's still a first round pick
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that's upside in talent and ability. If you just look
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: at the four tackles that other teams have and the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: fourth versus the verse for tackles, the Patriots have, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: would venture to say the Patriots are in the top
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: half of the league of tackle depth. It's not a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: deep position across the league. So it's relative to, to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the fact that the rest of the league, nobody has
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: four good tackles on their roster size. Maybe the Eagles,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they might have four good ones. So quarterback running back
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: wide receiver, safety tackle. And my last one here, when
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I put something in parentheses, I'll tell you in a second.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Punter.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: They have depth at punter, Alex. This is your moment.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: It's not, well, that's not really what you want.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You'd rather you have three punters on the roster. Cause
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: didn't you hear Baron Morton punted?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Although in, in, if he's the emergency third quarterback, he
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: can't come in and do that. So I don't know
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: how it would ever happen, but yeah, I suppose they do.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Although Morton could be better. No, it sucks. Because Ravel
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: said yesterday, Behringer was having a really good summer. You
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: were as much as you want to deny it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You were right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Behringer was having a really good summer. So you hope
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: this doesn't derail him too much. Matt Hawk is, I mean,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: he's a professional backup. We were kind of, Joking the
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: other day when they signed him that he's been on,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I think, 10 teams in like five years or something.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: As punters do.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Right, because nobody really carries a backup kicker, backup punter.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: So if you need a backup, there's just these guys
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that are free agents that bounce from team to team
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: as a team needs one. And they'll play for like
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: three or four teams in a year, a kicker and punter.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So he's one of those guys. He actually had a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: pretty good year for the Cardinals last year. He played
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: in seven games. But I wanted to see Beringer take
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that momentum from the summer into the season. Hopefully this
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: is a short-term thing. Vrabel didn't say anything about week one.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: None of the reports have said anything about week one.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they just needed a punter to get
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: through camp. And this is kind of a, hey, we
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: don't want to stress you. We'll let you rest for
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a week. And I don't know, maybe I'm being unrealistic.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: That's what my hope is, is that throwing Morton out
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there on Thursday night against the Browns, even though it
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything in terms of the result of the game.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It's not really fair to Morton to do that to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: him again.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And he's probably going to play most of that game
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: at quarterback.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have this week and next before they
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: really ramp it up for Seattle. Maybe that's the thought
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: process there is, hey, let's get through the game on
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Thursday night. Let's get through these couple weeks of practice
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: before we get into a regular season week. And let's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: not make Barron Morton pull double duty in practice and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: be the third quarterback and the punter. I don't think
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's totally fair to him. So my guess is that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Matt Hack is here just to get them through the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: next two weeks.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But hey, they have three punters on the roster right now.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: That's just a fact. So that's depth.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Well, couldn't we have said that when Brady was here
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: that they had two?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So this bothered me. Someone, well, Brady did it. Brady
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: pooch punted from the shotgun. That's not the same thing.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Although he did it very well.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It's not just a little different. It's a lot different.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: He did it very well.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, but he wasn't standing 15 yards behind a long
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: snapper and getting a live rush.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: That's a totally different thing.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: But can I use this opportunity to say, can we
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: bring back the pooch punt? And I understand it only
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: applies in very specific scenarios, but..
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Drake May did it in college.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And he was very good at it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did it in college.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Sneaky, effective play. They had like one or two chances,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I think, to do it last year, and they didn't
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Bring it back. Fun play. Good football play. And you
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: know what? They're kind of built for it really well.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams and Matt Collins, put them on the outside
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: as your gunners.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: That plays. They got an athletic line. Jared Wilson can
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: get down there.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: He did it in college.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: In on it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And like Mike Rabel said yesterday about this when he
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: was asked about... um, about Morton. the quarterback's the best
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: athlete on the field. He's the quarterback on the football team.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: He's the shortstop on the baseball team. I think Braybill
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: said he's the shooting guard on the basketball team, right?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Like he's, and that's Drake May. Like Drake May was a,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a really good basketball player too. Like these guys are
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: really athletic people, quarterbacks, you know? And so I'm sure
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Drake May can still punt. I'm sure he can still
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: bring that out. He obviously did it at North Carolina.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure he did it in practice at North Carolina.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: They definitely didn't ask him to do that cold, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: never punted before in a practice. So quarterback, running back,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: wide receiver, tackle, safety, punter. Those are the positions I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: have in terms of depth. I still feel pretty good
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: about them there now, especially with safety with the read trade.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: On the other side of it, the areas where I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: feel like they need to add depth to the roster still.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I still have tight end on here. I haven't been
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: crazy about what I've seen from the rookie tight ends
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: in the joint practices. I don't think Eli Reardon's done much.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't written his number down as often. Now that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the intensity of these practices have ramped up, I'm still
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: optimistic about Eli Reardon long-term and I still like what
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I've seen, but I'm not as fired up about him
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: as maybe I was a week ago. Yeah. Tanner Arkin
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: has really struggled in the preseason games. Now I'll give
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: him an out. He'd, they've been playing them at fullback.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a fullback and he's certainly not
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: natural at fullback. So maybe that's just a position thing.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And if they put him back as an inline blocker,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: he'll settle down. Uh, the fullback tape has been rough
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: for Tanner Arkin. And that's really it. Like Jack Westover
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden is getting two reps again. You know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: he's back in the mix maybe as a depth tight
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: end option. Where do you feel they're at with tight end?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Because I still think I'm still a little bit concerned
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: about the depth there behind Henry.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not as down on Raritan as you are. I
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: think for what his role is going to be, he's
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: shown me. Austin Hooper, like that's probably what he's going
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to be this year. You hope a little bit of
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: an improvement as a blocker from there. I think Arkin's
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: done enough to earn a roster spot. I also don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: think he's done enough that he's beyond replacing. And maybe,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you know, somebody gets caught somewhere. Some of those veterans
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: that we were talking about before, if they're still unsigned,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know, do you just want more experience in that room?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Somebody who's more polished in that room. So I would under, like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're only going to keep two tight ends.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to keep three. If it's Arkin,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I get it. I don't think they have to upgrade
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: from him, but I think it's a place where they
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: could realistically upgrade. Like you're not going to have to
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: make a trade to upgrade that spot.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about Arkin, they clearly want to
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: have two back runs in their bag. And my guess is,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: is that the reason why Arkin's playing so much fullback
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in the preseason is because if anything happens to Reggie Gilliam,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: they don't want to lose the two back runs.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So they're trying to see if he can play fullback.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: They know he can inline block.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't hold the fullback tape against him.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: The fullback tape. It's rough.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: But that's not what he's here for.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: He's over the skis. He's falling flat on his face.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe this is a little bit of a jump.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to kill the kid.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I know, but isn't that kind of like holding the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: punter tape against Baron Morton?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: No, but he's not here to play fullback.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. But he might have to, but he, and he
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: should also still know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I think if Richard Gilliam got hurt, they'd go get
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: another fullback.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: If they go, if he has to go out to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the second level and block the linebacker, he still should
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: be able to do that without falling flat on his face. Like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: but I, I hear you. I, my, my positive spin
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: on the Arkin thing. is that they've already checked the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: inline blocking box. They already know he can do that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Right. So they're trying to see what else he can do.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Which is why, again, I phrase it as, I think
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: he's done enough to make the team.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: It's just, you might have a better option out there too.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I oddly feel, tight end's tricky to me because I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: feel fine if Henry's healthy. Like I think if Henry's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: healthy and Raritan's in that, you know, package role as
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Austin Hooper was last year and Arkin is like your
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: third blocking tight end, maybe he's in a situational package
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of short yardage. He's obviously going to play
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: special teams. Like if that's like his role on game day,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: they're fine. If Henry's healthy, if Henry gets hurt, then
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to get creative and play for
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: wide receivers. I think, yeah, I think Matt Collins kind
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of becomes a pseudo tight end and you're going for
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. at that point, because I don't think that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you can rely on those two rookies to play like, uh,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: which again.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Goes back to, if you have a veteran, you can
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: bring in instead of Arkin, who's just going to be
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: a little more stable. Do you do it?
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Next one here, interior offensive line, maybe one of the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: weakest position groups on the team.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: So what's crazy is if Ben Brown's healthy and it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Ben Brown and Ben wrote, and I actually don't hate it.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: That just feels far off.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: So I thought it's one practice, uh, Van Roen looked
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: okay yesterday. He held up pretty well in the one-on-ones.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I had him 2-0 against Isaiah Eaton, and he played
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: all three spots in team, including center, so he was
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: playing a little bit of center. If Van Roen is
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: as good as he was last year, then I think
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: they're okay as him being the top backup, and then
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: whenever Ben Brown gets back, he's in the mix as
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: well if they have depth there. I just, like you said,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: we're still not fully materialized in there. The good news is,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is that it was Van Roen on the team and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: hopefully Ben Brown back at some point, guys like James Hudson,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Makai Butler, Jacob Rizzi, like those guys shouldn't have to play.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: They might not even be on the roster. Those guys
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I think are all going to get cut. So I, that's,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I maybe one thing is we're watching a lot of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: guys in these preseason games that are really practice squad
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: players for them, like third and fourth string interior guys.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So I think that their true backups are better than this,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: but it's still an area that as of right now
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: is a question mark. Unless Van Roten's fine. If he's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: just the guy he was last year, then they're fine.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Again, if it's Van Roten and Ben Brown, I feel
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: okay about it. It's just getting there and getting Van
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Roten ready and caught up and getting Ben Brown healthy.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yep. I want to skip that one because I had
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: to have a longer take on that edge rusher.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, this one is, this is the one spot
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: where I don't feel great about where they're at at
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: the top of the depth chart.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think we feel great about where they are anywhere.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: So that, that's naturally going to trickle down. You're not
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: going to say, well, I don't love the starters, but
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: at least they have to actually, I guess that's what
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: we said about the Patriots wide receiver room for like
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: a three or four year window in there. But yeah,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I wish I, Elijah Ponder hasn't taken that jump. We
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: were hoping to see gay back. It still is very
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: clearly the, A rookie who's behind, like has the potential,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: but doesn't look ready. Nobody from that next group flashed
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: this summer. Maybe Q Hutchins is making a late push here,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: but didn't see it from Swinson. Holmes got hurt as
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: he started maybe making a push. Lucchetta hasn't done much.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Gaynor hasn't done much.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I think Lucchetta's probably flashed the most out of that group.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that it's rosterable. Like, I don't
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: think that it's like, oh, all of a sudden their
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: edge depth is better because of Jesse Lucchetta. I think
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Elijah ponders had some good reps. Like he's had some
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: good rushes. I like the fact that he beat Jordan,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: my Lada and the joint practice last week for a pressure.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: That was good to see, but I'm with you like consistently,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: this is a three down player. Now we haven't necessarily
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: seen that. Let's call it spade to spade with Accus.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: It's not been good. It just hasn't. I still like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the foundation. I still like the skillset. I still like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the player and the motor and the physicality and the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: power that he can bring to it. Markel Bell is
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a mountain climber. He is a monster of a man. Uh,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: but if your game is power and your game is physicality,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you can't get kicked out like that on the edge
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and give up an 18 yard run into your gap.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: You just can't do that. You know, like that's, that's
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the one thing that Accus needs to be. I'm good
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: at this. I am good at setting the edge of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the defense. So when you see that in a game
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: against what is still a backup tackle in Markel Bell,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you are a little bit concerned. I think the pass
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: rush tape has not been great either. Like he doesn't
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: have a lot of moves in the bag in the
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: arsenal right now. I still, long-term, it's kind of how
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I feel about Eli Reardon. Long-term, I still like Akis.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I still like the pick, and I still like the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: potential of the player. Right now, he looks like he's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: drinking out of a fire hose. He just doesn't look
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like he's up to speed, and in the speed of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the game, it's too fast for him.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I still think that's maybe just a little bit of
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: an understatement. It's mental. Like, physically, he looks like he belongs.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I just think he needs to see more football. Again,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: he looks like a guy that missed time in the spring.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Linebacker. everything behind Robert's playing and Chad and Christian
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Ellis is, is worrisome.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: That linebacker Chad Mooma. I don't know what's going on
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: with Chad Mooma in these preseason games. Maybe he's hurt.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe that that's what it was. He finally
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: tapped out at the end of the game. He's been
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in and out of practice. Maybe it's injury related. KJ
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Brit hits, he comes downhill and he hits people, but
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that's it. Like there's nothing really else that he brings
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to the table. Uh, Khalil Jacobs and Namdi Obaizor have
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: had moments, and they're rookies, and they've flashed a little
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: bit as rookies. Maybe guys that you can keep on
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the roster as long-term development type of players. I'm not
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: sure that if they had to start a game right
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: now in the NFL, it would go too well. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I like what I've seen in terms of, yeah, if
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you want to keep them as a fifth linebacker, maybe
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a healthy scratch on game day's as a rookie for
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: most of the year plays on special teams. Uh, I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: good with that. If Robert's playing or Christian Ellis goes down.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And they need a backup linebacker to come in and
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: start like Jack Gibbons did last year, that drop-off right
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: now feels significant. And I would put Edge and linebacker
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: as one and two right now in terms of where
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you're most concerned about this depth.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: And in terms of are they going to add externally,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I think linebackers... the most logical spot, whether it's Shaq Thompson,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: whether it's somebody else.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: The, the, where they're at in the box right now
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: is not, there's room to improve.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: That, that's why I, I, I sort of had to
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: take about Jalen Reed that I had, like maybe Jalen
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Reed helps out here a little bit. And instead of
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: relying significantly on a third linebacker, they're actually just using
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: him in the box and, Yeah. More last one here.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I feel a little bit better about this position. So
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I almost moved it up. I still have cornerback, just
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: some question marks. They're really good preseason game for Kendall Vildor.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I think it was a good preseason game for Quran Pranthi,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: maybe not the on ball production, but just covering away
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: from the ball. I thought he was pretty good. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: those two guys have made a push and I feel
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit better about that spot to begin with.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: But the one thing I would say about Vildor in
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the second joint practice against the Eagles last week on Thursday,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: they went right at him in that two minute drill.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Right at him. And it was completion completion right down
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the field. He gave up the touchdown in the end
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: zone as well on the, on the play that, that
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: they finally punched it in. So yeah, Yeah, against the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: backups in the preseason games, he looked really good. When
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: he was going up against, like, Wicks and Hollywood Brown
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and some of the Eagles frontline guys, it didn't go
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: so hot. So still a little bit on the fence
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: there with Kendall Vildor.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's been better here in the second
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: half of camp, but it's still not great. Charles Woods
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: has had his struggles. We'll see where Karan Pranti is.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: That's another spot where I wonder if they can make
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: an external addition.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yep. Last one here.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Sorry to just add, that is a spot, too, where
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: it's relatively easier to get somebody kind of up to
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: speed who comes in cold.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Charles Woods.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Was he waiver claim last year or.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Trade late waiver claim?
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: I think. Okay.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Um, last one here. This is probably the most disappointing
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: one to have on this list for me. Defensive tackle.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I thought defensive tackle was going to be a clear
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: strength of this team. Obviously, I feel great about the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: top of the depth chart. Milton Williams and Christian Barmore.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And I still feel pretty good about Corey Durden. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: think those three guys are, you know, two are legit studs.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And I think Corey Durden is a good rotational player.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: The Joshua Farmer, Eric Gregory, Jeremiah Farms, Leonard Taylor group.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I've just been disappointed by the whole group. This summer,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Leonard Taylor had a decent game the other night. Mike
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Vrabel pointed him out yesterday. I thought he was pretty good,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: especially in the pass rush. But in terms of stopping
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the run, I mean, we know what happened in the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: first quarter of that preseason game. They're blown off the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: ball by the Eagles backups. Time and time again, Will
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Shipley ran it down their throats in the practices and
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: he ran it down their throats in the preseason game
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: as well. Everything that you saw in the first half
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of the preseason game from Will Shipley is exactly what
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: we saw in the two joint practices when it was
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: backups against backups from Will Shipley. So that whole group,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I thought I really did. I thought that those guys
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: were some at least one or two of those guys
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: was really going to emerge as like a fourth guy
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: that they could rotate in. Farmer, I think, has been
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the best out of that group.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Farmers had a good camp.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: It's inconsistent though. And then Leonard Taylor, they seem to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: really like, but where are you at with that entire group?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Cause my grade will call the hockey timeout the other
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: night because that group was getting pushed around so badly.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: So basketball timeout, I call it a hockey timeout. Nobody
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: ever takes timeouts in hockey. No, you never take a
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: timeout in hockey for that reason. You can't even take
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: a timeout until play stop.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? You take a timeout exactly for
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that reason in hockey. When you're getting boat race, you
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: call a timeout and try to settle them down.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I think that was more of a basketball thing, I guess.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: No, but I mean, either way.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Hockey, basketball timeout, either way.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not as low on them as you are. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: think Farmers had a good camp. I also think there's
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: something to be said. Like, we're not expecting them to
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: be starters. They were obviously weren't great in the Eagles game.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: The Eagles backup offensive line is probably better than some
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: teams starting offensive lines.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: So, like, if they were going against defined starters, would
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: you be as disappointed in their performance? Would you say, oh,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: it's backups against starters? Because that's kind of what it was.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: The concern against the run is real, but I think
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: it goes to something that we've talked about, that all
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: those guys, with the exception of maybe Eric Gregory. Taylor
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: forms like their pass rushers.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: That's what they are. They're small. They're missing a nose tackle.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: We've known this since Tonga left.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I know they're.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Missing a nose.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Cause even like with Corey Durden, who I like as
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a player and like in a vacuum, I still am
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: not totally sold on him being a nose tackle. Like
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I still feel like he's best to use over the guard,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: you know, as like a pure, like three technique. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's stout enough in, you know, wide
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: enough in there to be a Tonga one for one
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Tonga replacement. So I guess that's also where this kind
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: of stems from is like, I kind of wanted Durden
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to be like a rotational third guy for Barmore and
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Williams and more in that kind of role and not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: necessarily a pure nose role. And if he doesn't hold
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: up at the nose, then does that mean Barmore has
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: to kick inside? And now Barmore is just wearing blocks
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: all year instead of like, making plays. I don't know.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: It just, the Tonga absence was felt this week against
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: the Eagles. They, they really missed that pure nose.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a lack of debt. I wouldn't
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: characterize it as a lack of depth. I think it's
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: like a specifics and maybe this is semantics. It's a
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: specific position. a specific role that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: They don't have built. You know, to be fair to them,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: like they're talking about a lack of depth on the roster.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe like nose tackles are way that you can get
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: a nose tackle.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: You can get it on drums. You can get a
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: 330 pound dude to eat blocks in the middle of
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: your defensive line. Those guys are not super valuable. I mean,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: we saw the, the contract that Tonga got.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Like, it's not like those guys are getting paid a
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: ton unless you're like Vita Vea. So like you can
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: go out and find that kind of player this time
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of year. So yeah, Maybe something that they can figure out.
• 55:30
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  Speaker 8: What's up guys. Um, just a quick statement on the
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  Speaker 8: He was he was when he was here. I hope
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  Speaker 8: going forward. Um, Alex, I got a question for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, so the show will be back. Uh, I believe
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  Speaker 3: it is the 6th. Whatever that Labor Day Sunday is.
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  Speaker 3: It is the 6th. Cerrone is not returning this year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is this official now? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We can talk about this publicly. Because his Saturday show
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  Speaker 8: Nice. I love that. I can't wait to call and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: rag on Big Head, you know?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, so we will be, it is
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: a week, not this Sunday, next Sunday. I am a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: little bummed because we don't usually get a season preview,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: and then the Sunday of the game, but because they're
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: playing on Wednesday, we're going to have to be a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: busy show.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: And this is going to be a tall task for
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: you guys, but, and if, I mean, if you don't know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: you don't know, whatever. I'm like, like you guys, I'm
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: concerned about the edge depth and position and the position
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: as a whole. You know, maybe Mike Brable has a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: better idea of one Landry's coming back, but, Do you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: guys know of anybody that's, that's possibly like on the,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: on roster fringes that are, that's an experienced guy that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: we might be able to like claim, um, maybe not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: off waivers, but on cut down days. And I'll take
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: that off.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: There, guys.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks for the call, Patty. I honestly, there's a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: lot of teams out there right now that are thin
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: on the edge.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Believe it or not.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a really deep position, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: there's been some injuries, um, across the league so uh
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: not really like i haven't heard a lot of names
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like that you would know like household names that are
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: potentially on the outs because a lot of teams have
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: had injuries at those positions in training camp and are
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: holding on to their depth you know carolina you know
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: teams like that so uh we'll see i mean there's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: always some guys that slip through the cracks i don't
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: know if it's going to be anybody of significance though
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: That's really going to come in here and help the Patriots.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: But have you heard of any names? Because I haven't.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: No, I just don't think the Patriots are getting their
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: answer to the edge on waivers. They might be able
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: to add depth, but that's what it's going to be.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I think the question would be like if it's like
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: a vested veteran that gets cut, that becomes a street
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: free agent more than waivers. Like, I don't know, you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: like a... a guy that's been kicking around the league
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a little while. Like one of the guys that I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: was thinking of, and I, they might end up holding
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: onto him in Philadelphia, but like AJ Ebenezer, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: who's like a depth guy for the Eagles. I think
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: he's probably their fourth rusher, you know, Nolan Smith, Jonathan Grenard,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: J Alex Hunt, I would say probably their fourth guy.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Does Philadelphia feel like one of their younger players has
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: popped enough in camp that they want to give him
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the roster spot and him the opportunity? Just a thought,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: just looking at some of the teams we've seen here
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in camp. Nate in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 11: Hey, can you guys hear me well?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you, Nate.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 11: All right, so I got a couple things first. First off,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: it's going to be my last call for a little while.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: They're sending me back to school tomorrow.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, sorry to hear that. I know.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: Way too early. I'm seeing people start beginning of September,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: and we're starting at the tail end of August. But anyways,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: Keishon Booty Trade. Yesterday, I got the notification that he
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 11: was trading safety Jalen Reed in a draft pick. At first,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: I didn't specify what draft pick it was.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And then later, I hear it's a seventh.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: And I'm kind of mad about that. I feel like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 11: we could have gotten something better than a seventh. And
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying that there's good potential in the seventh
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 11: round of the draft. I'm just saying, you know, At
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: least the value could have been a little higher. I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 11: saw his first touchdown live in person at Gillette, and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: it was just an electric feeling. I wish him nothing
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 11: but the best. But, you know, it's really sad to see,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 11: which I really thought was one of the pieces to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: the future, the next dynasty in New England, which has
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 11: already started. But, yeah, just sad to see him go.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 11: Wish him nothing but the best in Houston. Like Patty
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: and Aguam said.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: I hope he does get paid.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: He deserves it.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: Thank you guys.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Nate. All fair points. When we
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: all saw the trade yesterday, it was an underwhelming feeling
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: on the return.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: That's a totally fair point. The one thing that I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: would just say on it is, again, when I reiterate
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: what I said at the top of the show, the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: market for him was never as hot as you wanted
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: it to be. No. There was never these big early
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: draft pick compensation offers out there, and the market spoke
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: like the two, the league spoke that this player was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: not worth, uh, as much as we were hoping for
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: in a trade. Uh, now the other thing I would mention,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: this is something that I think the league does that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I don't like. And I think is a bad way
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to do business. Teams often have prior feelings about players
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: and they don't depart from their priors. So Keishon booty,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: just like fans three years ago was valued in the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: 23 draft as a six round pick. When he comes
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: up in the last year of his rookie contract and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: he's available via trade, everybody in the league values him
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: at a six round pick. I disagree with it. I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: think that what you did in the NFL should matter
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: more than sometimes it does. I also, you know, I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: didn't want to lead with this, but the stuff that's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: gone on with Keishon booty off the field has contributed
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to this as well. His ankle injury, you know, has
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: contributed to it a little bit in terms of his
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: draft stock back then. I think it's one of the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: biggest mistakes that, that personnel evaluators make across the league
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: is saying, well, this is what making their mind up
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: about a player and never wavering from that. So the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Texans might benefit from that. They, they might get a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: player that's worth a lot more than what they gave
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: up for him because they are going to benefit from
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that the rest of the league said he's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: still worth a six round pick.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: And so we'll see if that ends up being the case.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I want to do three up, three down. Let's get
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: So this is three up, three down specifically from the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Eagles preseason game. Cause we did the show after the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: joint practice last week, the first day. So this is
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: specifically from the game against the Eagles. Who's your number
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: one up?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't do them in order. I just
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: kind of, okay.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Who's your first on your list?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Um, First on my list, if my computer wakes up,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: John Saunders.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: My guy. Great preseason tape. I thought that, you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: he didn't have any interceptions in the game, but he
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: did have a pass breakup covering the tight end, covered
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: tight ends, played a deep part of the field, played
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: some robber, which is all over the field. Like the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: boot concept that he just sniffed out from the jump,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: that was going to be a pick six the other
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: way if Andy Dolan didn't throw that ball into the dirt.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: It was just... he looked like a guy that was
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: above the rest of the players that were playing on
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: the field. He was moving faster. He was keying into
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: things faster, eyes in the right places, body and, you know,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: tilt in the right places, all those different things. I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be enough because of
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: what they just did. You know, they added another safety
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: in Jalen Reed, but I've just loved what I've seen
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: from John Saunders, both preseason tape practice. I don't know
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: what else you could possibly do at this point.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I'm, I'm going to, Yeah, so I agree with you.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: I still think he makes team.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: As the fourth guy.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Backup free safety, backup box safety.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: That kind of thing.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: My first up, I'm going to do a two for one.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Second year receivers. Yeah, I had him on my list too.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: I thought Williams, I still want to see him fight
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: back to the ball more. A little more on some
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of those goal balls. He had a chance, but then
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: just a great route off the line on that deep
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: ball that he catches the touchdown. Efton Chisholm, solid night.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Not spectacular, but four catches, 45 yards. Did a good
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: job creating after the catch. Ran hard. They're probably both
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: on the team. I mean, I don't think either one's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: trying to prove that at this point. When I say probably,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, they should be on the team regardless
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: of what that was, right? But credit to them. I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: thought it was a good night for that duo.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I did as well. I had them both on here
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: as two, and maybe this is also just, you know,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: post-Kayshaun Booty trade also. They're both going to be here,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: and they're going to make the team. and I think
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams can have a role offensively. We'll see Chisholm
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: probably more injury insurance in the slot. Uh, but I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: think Kyle Williams is going to have a role offensively.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind the deep ball, uh, as much. I'm
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: not going to fault Kyle Williams for the fact that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito is under thrown him by five yards, two weeks.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Now, The one that I thought that maybe he could
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: have worked back a little bit more was his first
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: target at the very beginning of the game. He was
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: running a curl, you know, like outside curl and Ringo
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: just jumped it. And I would have liked to have
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: seen him kind of like bend back towards the quarterback
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit more because Ringo was sitting on it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: So, right.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: You know, get on the other side of Ringo, maybe
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: and fight a little bit more back to the football there.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I have now, if he, the fighting back for the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: football thing was something that Rabel said, and now it's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: stuck out in everybody's mind from the first preseason game.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I thought the first preseason game, Rabel had more of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: a case because the corner was stacked and he was
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: running right behind him. So if he stops, it becomes
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a car crash, right? Where he's going to crash into
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the back of Kyle Williams and you're going to drive.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: PI the one this week. I didn't, I thought the ball,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: there was no, it wasn't even going to be an
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: underthrown PI situation. The curl may be a little bit, uh,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: but the separation ability, and I posted a cut up
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: on Twitter of it, you know, four or five routes
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: where he's just open, open down the field. Like, you know,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: even ones where he wasn't targeted. where he's just running
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: free through the defense. His speed looked different than the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: other guys on the field, kind of like John Saunders. Chisholm,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I really liked the throw in the flat that he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: broke the tackle and got the first down. The crosser,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: we know he's got that route in his bag. He's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: got that ability to run that route. the duck underneath
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the tackle, pick up the yards after the catch. That
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: was also that, that looked a lot like Julian Edelman.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not like Edelman love to do the duck under,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you know, let the guy drive by duck under them
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: and break the tackle. I Efton Chisholm. I, he's been
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: watching some Julian Edelman tape. He's clearly, clearly cause he's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: running the crossing routes exactly the same. And he's running,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: he's making Edelman moves after the catch. Like it's very
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: obvious to me that he's taking all of these types
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: of things from, from watching Edelman. So yeah, I thought
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: both of those guys did what they needed to do
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: this preseason. to make this Kayshaun Booty trade kind of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: a thing, you know, like to really make this thing happen.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: So we both had the rookie, the second year receivers,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: as you'd say. I had John Saunders, who's next on
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: your list.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Lane Larrison. Good game for Lane Larrison. We talked about
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: this before camp, that I thought he ran with more
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: power than some people were giving him credit for.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Especially out of the gun.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: And I think you saw it. You didn't see it
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: as much against the Colts. You saw it in this game,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: picking up hidden yardage, did his thing in the passing
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: game as well. Now here's where we need to interpret, Evan.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: So Lane Larson played most of the game. Hassan Haskins
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: saw a limited role, but instead of getting his carries
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: at the end of the fourth quarter, they were all
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: like in their beginning of the second quarter. Mike Vrabel
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: mentioned they weren't playing some of the guys or were
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: limiting playing some of the guys they expect to have
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: on the team. did land Larrison strong performance, put them
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: on the team as third running back, or that they
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: only have him do all of that because they know
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: they're keeping us on Haskins and they didn't want him
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: getting hurt.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: It's possible. I, whenever Rabel says that a player had
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: a gritty performance that stands out to me, that's always
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: something that like Rabel, I think, I think he just
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: likes guys like that, you know, that are, that are gritty.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Like he was the one thing that I would say
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: in land Larrison's favor is is that he's a different
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: kind of back than Hassan Haskins and Jam Miller. If you,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: if they want to back a third running back, that's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: truly another, another, between the tackles early down option.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: If Ramond Ray Stevenson gets hurt and they need a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: guy to carry the ball 20 times in a game,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: then that's jam Miller or Hassan Haskins. If they have
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: a role in mind for Larrison, because I think Larrison
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: is different.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Larrison's more of a well-rounded.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: He's a gun back to a little bit of everything.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: He's a gun back. He's a sub package back. It's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: a really lazy, easy comparison, but the Rex Burkhead thing
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: does work.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: And he keeps saying he's like a slightly smaller Brandon Bolden,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: but okay.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Either way, sure. Gun back, sub package back, gun runs.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: We saw that in the third and fourth down plays.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Punch it in on the gun runs. Passing out of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: the backfield, receiving routes out of the backfield. That's more
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: going to be his game than like we're going to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: put him in the dot from under center and we're
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: going to hand the ball off to him. I don't
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: think he's got the speed at the line of scrimmage
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: to be that kind of effectively that kind of back.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: But we've seen whether it's Brandon Bolden, Rex Burkhead, whatever.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: We've seen the style of back that he is. Josh
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: McDaniels is system to like a glove. The one thing
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I would say with Larison that's holding him back right now,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: he did give up two pressures in pass protection. He
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: got run over two times in blitz pickup. So that's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: one area that guys like Bolden, guys like Burkhead, even
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: guys like James White really developed strongly in blitz pickup.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: So if you're going to be that kind of player,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: a sub package player, that's going to play mostly in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the passing game. you got to be able to pick
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: up blitzes, but he's more versatile, right?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Like he can run it out of the gun. He
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: can catch balls out of the backfield. Uh, he can
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: return kickoffs. He might be able to cover kicks. So
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: jam Miller and Hassan Haskins can return kickoffs. Uh, but
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: those guys are just bell cow backs. Like they're traditional
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: between the tackles running backs. This is a little different.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Like he's a little different type of player to.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Your last point. I, or to what you were saying
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: about the pass blocking. Like that's where I wonder, uh,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: They should be able to get Larson in the practice squad.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Do they put Larson on the practice squad, let him
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: keep develop? Haskins starts as the third back, and maybe
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: that changes over the course of the season. But it's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: going to be one of those two. I don't think
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Jay Miller's in the mix, and that Jemichael Hasty fumble
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: was pretty bad.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That one, I never really thought Jemichael Hasty
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: was in the mix. I always thought that he was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: a camp body.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: They really need special teams bodies. Like, it's a sneaky,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: you talk about depth. They need guys that can play
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: in the kicking game, and he can do that. That's his,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: if he makes the roster, that's why.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: You're ruling out them keeping four running backs?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: You're completely ruling that out? I don't even know if
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I want to keep three running backs.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: I don't.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: Four.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: You should keep three.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: You want that depth.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I think they're at three.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: I know you can elevate guys from the practice squad,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: but you can only do that at so many positions
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: and for so many weeks. It's not a full-time fix.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: If they're going to do that, the spot I would
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: do it is on the edge.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I'm at three.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: You are at three? Okay. It was Saunders, the receivers, and..
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I'm at three running backs. I have one more up.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Three running backs. Last up for me.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Demetrius crown over thought he was really good in this game.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Past protection had a couple of lapses, like wasn't perfect
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: in past pro did have the false start. But the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me the most, he was
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: probably their most effective run blocker. He really moved the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on some of those combinations and double teams.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I saw a real power and ability to move bodies
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. And that is not an
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Eagles defensive line. That that's any slouches. Even their backups
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: are pretty good on that defensive line. He felt like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: the one second string Patriot lineman that was really able
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: to move people and uproot people. I'm starting to flirt
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: with the idea. And I, this is maybe getting a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: little ahead of myself. I kind of thought this way
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: about Marcus Bryant to begin with. Now, Marcus Bryant is hurt.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: So we'll see if he's healthy enough to do it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: If I, if they're going to go tackle eligible and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: they're going to play six offensive linemen, I really feel
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: like Marcus Brian or Demetrius crown over is a better
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: option right now than Caleb Lomu. That doesn't mean that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Caleb Lomu, they're better than Caleb Lomu. And if somebody
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: had to play tackle, I'd probably want it to be
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Caleb Lomu, but as a sixth offensive lineman, the jumbo
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: tight end, whatever you want to call it. Don't you
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: want somebody that's going to move people? Like that's really
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: going to get on a block and actually push people
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: off the ball. That's not going to be Caleb Lomo.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: He's not there yet. Physically. He's not developed enough. His
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: body is not developed enough yet. So if they're going
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to put a six offensive line package on the field
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: with the idea of like, we're coming at you and
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: we're running the ball out of this formation. I think
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Demetrius crown over right now is a better option than
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Caleb Lomo.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, I would agree with that. I think
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Marcus Bryant's still the best option. but agreed. Uh, my
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: third up, this one went way under the radar, which
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: I think is good. This is the guy you want
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to go under the radar. Andy Borgalis hit all four
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: of his kicks.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: It's a little, a little helicopter. He may be on
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: the first one.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: He hit all four of the kicks. Didn't doink any.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Did he doink one?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: No, but it's like still some right to left drift
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: to me, but I.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: He made him, he made him, he made all his kicks.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: That's a great sign.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: He made him.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: So I am, uh, We're trending a lot more towards, okay,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: he had a bad week. He moved on.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was the long snapper. All right. To the downs.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: We talked a lot about these in the depth conversation,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: so I don't have to go too deep. Number one
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: for me is Chad Mumma and the linebackers. The first
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: half tape for all the linebackers was really rough. I mean,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: that was just not good. I don't want to get
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: too deep.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he missed a couple tackles, took some bad
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: angles on my list, too. Not a good game for Chad.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: You know, reached in the run game, like climbs to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the second level, couldn't get off blocks in the run game,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: missed tackles in space, just all around. Not good. What
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: do you have? Number one.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was my number.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: OK, number two, similar theme interior offensive line. James Hudson,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Jacob Rizzi, Makai Butler. I hope we don't have to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: see those guys play an NFL game.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: The whole second line pass protection was not good. Tommy
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: DeVito is having to run around a lot.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Barry Morton was having to run around a lot, kind
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: of across the board. Just not a good look from
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: that backup offensive line.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Interior offensive line. Besides Leonard Taylor, I take Leonard Taylor
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: out of this. I thought he had a good game.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: So did Vrabel backing that up. So farmer Gregory farms,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: even Isaiah Eaton, I threw in there as well, got
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: pushed around a ton, but not that I expect him
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: to like stand up in the run game very much.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: But all those guys, I thought struggle. Gregory got reached
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: by the center on that 18 yard run by Shipley
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: early on in the game. I just not, not good
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: enough for many of those guys in terms of how
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: the game started on the defensive line.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I, again, I, I put some of that to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: the Eagles backup. Like I didn't realize until we saw it,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: some of the guys that are on that line, that would,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I think that would be the starting line for some teams.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: All three of those interior. I think Michael Morris was
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: the third interior guy all three of those interior guys
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: can play Drew Kendall is the guy that if he
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: shakes free somehow if they don't have room for him
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to but if they don't it's.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Him or Cam Juergens probably I don't see them keeping both.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: And the way that people are talking in Philadelphia, Cam
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Juergens has really dropped off. Now, he's been better. Oh, no,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: that's Dickerson. Dickerson's been better, I think, at guard and center.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: One of them's been better at guard than they have
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: been at center. It's kind of like a Ben Brown situation,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: but the opposite. But I don't know if Drew Kendall...
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: gets cut. It sounds like he's training towards making the team,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: but they have a lot of depth on the interior.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: They have their starters. They have Willie Lampkin. Who's, you know,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: been a training camp hero. Uh, they have drew Kendall,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Michael Morris. If any of those guys get cut, I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: would not be shocked if the Patriots put a claim
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: in for it for one of those guys.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, it would be an upgrade for sure.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, were we on the same page with all three
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: of those? Uh, you have another one.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: No, my third. Well, I, I kind of split up
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: the offensive line. I said all those ones. I'll say
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: that like, I'm higher on Gabe Axe's performance than most
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: people are, but he had some rough, rough reps in
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: that game.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let me ask you, let me preface you this
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: way because, well, I have two questions for you on
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Gabe Axe. One, is this your priors? Because I, that's fair.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Like it's one, it's two preseason games. It's his rookie
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: training camp. Just totally throwing out what we thought of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: him coming into the league is not. Some of it is.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Priors plus preseason. you have to acknowledge that he's behind.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Like it's not, I feel like people are acting surprised
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: that mentally the game is a little fast for him
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: right now, which maybe that's why I'm not as down
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: because he's kind of doing what I expected. What a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: guy who missed the entirety of the spring would do.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: So it's totally fair to say, I'm not going to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: just throw out what I thought about him coming into
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the league because of three weeks in training camp. Like
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: that's not fair to him more. And isn't the right
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: way to look at it. My second question is, What
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: did you like about the performance? I, you still just
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: see the, the physical traits I think are still on display.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: The burst, the raw strength, that kind of thing. The motor,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: like that's all there. He doesn't look, I think some
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: guys would get discouraged in his spot and you're still
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: seeing the motor and all that. So I like the motor.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: The motor is there.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I had him on my, you're asking me
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: that I had him on my dad.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you just said you were higher on
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: it than other people.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: So people, I, cause I, I see people saying like,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: like they're using these two games to declare him a bust.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: It's entirely too soon for that.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: And if we're going to do that with him, then
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: we have to say the same thing about Caleb.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Like both of those guys have been underwhelming.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: And I, I think one was been more underwhelming than
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: he has as a first round pick.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Probably. I mean, he's drafted.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe that's some of it, but that's just the fact. I,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: it's way people are writing them off and it's just
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: too soon for that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I think that the one thing I would say about, uh,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Accus is just block and play recognition needs to improve.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Like he, right.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: And that's just going to come with more sand, right?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Like when they, you know, he's on the front side
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: of that run. Like he knows, needs to know that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: they're trying to, where they're trying to hit that run
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: in the C gap. And he needs to be able
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: to squeeze that gap. Like that's not, you know, I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people saying, well, he set the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: edge and no, he got moved off the edge. He
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: got Markel belt, took him and moved him off the edge.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: And to me that it's, he's too strong to have
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: that happen just off of pure strength on strength. Like
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: he's too sturdy and strong and big of a dude
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: to get moved off the ball like that. So that's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: a recognition.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: So I think some of it is because you saw
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: this at Illinois, right? He sees what he thinks he sees.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: And because he has that motor, it's 100% go for it,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: make the play. And you know what? If you overrun
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: a draw or a screen or a read option in
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: college against like Purdue.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: He can recover and catch up to produce running back.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: You can't do that in the NFL. So he just
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: has to learn that. And it's, it's only the instincts
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: that's only going to come with him playing more football.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: And the other one that stood out to me was,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was the first snap of the game defensively.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: He ragdolls the tight end, but he loses contain. Like
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: he takes the tight end and he throws them, which
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: is cool to see. And it's like a cool, like,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, cut it up, you know, like put it
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: on a clip that he just ragdolled a tight end.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: But then Andy Dalton just went right around him and
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: out of the edge. So those are just the little
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: things of like harnessing that aggressiveness and like understanding, you know,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: play recognition and pacing and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: The other, that that's, I would say 90% of it
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: for me with that guess is, is mental. The 10%
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: that I would say that I, you know, has a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: little bit small C concern for me is that he's,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: his pass rush is just unrefined. Like he just doesn't
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: really have anything besides a bull rush. You know, there's no,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, hand counters. There's no, like, I need to
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: see more of a bag from him, more of a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: toolbox and, And that's just a young player thing. That's
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: not a gay back is thing that just a lot
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: of these young guys come into the league and they're
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: one trick ponies on the edge. They have either have
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: speed or they have power and, but they don't really
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: have a counter. And these tackles in the league are
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: too good. They're too good. They're going to brace for
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: your power. They're going to know what's coming. And if
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: you don't have a counter, a spin, an inside move,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: a swim move, you know, some sort of counter, you know, dip,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a dip or a ghost go around the edge. Um,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: the one other thing I would say on, on that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: is his favor. They haven't, I haven't seen him a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: ton on stunts. I think he's going to be really
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: effective on stunts. I think they're trying to get him
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: to rep one-on-one pass rush in live games.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: More so than like, we're going to put you on
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: a stunt. I think he's going to be able to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: translate the stunts pretty well, but he just hasn't done
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: that a ton.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, it's, it's just getting the snaps. And I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: think part of it is to like the Patriots going
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: to ask a lot of them pretty quickly. Yeah. Which is,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: I that's just kind of the team they set up.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: They're going to have to do it.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I have one more and we already talked about it,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: so we don't have to belabor the point. Uh, but
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I just had Tanner Arkin at fullback on here. Like
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: it has to be said, uh, Tanner Arkin at fullback. Uh,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: but again, maybe that's, we're just going to try this
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: out in a game and see if he can do it.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: All right. Uh, we got some calls again, rolling in here.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Let's get to him. We can start with the what's up, Eldred.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, fellas.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: Hey, Evan.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: How y'all doing?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Doing well. How are you?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: I'm a little sad about Booty, but I guess it
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: had to happen. My question is this. If the Giants
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: pick up the phone and say, we would trade you
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: a third traditional second if you do so many things,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: would you pick the phone up and say, yeah, we'd
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: make that trade? Or would you say, no, we're good
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: at where we're at, and I'll take it off the air?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Eldred. What was the conversation?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: Give it up for a third. I'd probably do that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's right on the cusp. Like, I think
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: he's a third or fourth round pick, probably.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: I'd probably do it.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd probably.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Especially since Harold Landry's not back yet.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I'd probably think about it, too.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I think that that's right around where they're probably looking.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: It's like a third or fourth round pick. Again, you know,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: it's another one. People are going to say, well, why
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: does he have so much more value than Keishon Booty?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: He's a top ten pick. He's a top 10 pick
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: in the first round. You know, like those types of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: guys just have higher end potential to tease.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: He's also, he has more proven production. Now it's not
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: as recent. The flip side is booty's a player that's
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: trending upwards. Thibodeau is a player that's trending in the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: other way in terms of his production. He does have
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: a double digit sack season on his resume. Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: And like a 50 pressure season on his resume too.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: That the tablet inside baseball, it's like times out now.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: So it just logs me out and then I can't
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: get the emails. And thank you, sir. Because it's very secure.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: It's a Microsoft product.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, good. Yeah, thanks for that. All right. Eddie is
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: in New York. What's up, Eddie?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Eddie.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Eddie going once.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Call back in, Eddie. We'll get you on here. Matt
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: is in Houston. What's up, Matt?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Hey, can you hear me well?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a first-time caller. I know it's irony. I'm
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: from Houston, but I've been a Pats fan since Drew Bledsoe.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I kind of, the booty trade, I kind of like
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: when a quarterback and a receiver has a chemistry. So
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I was sort of like, and I like players from LSU,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: so I was kind of upset about that. But it
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: just seems to me that the Texans has always cherry-picked
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: or for the Patriots. From our general manager to coaches,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien to players, when they need something, it's like
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: we're the first ones. They come to fill their gap.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I'll hang up and listen and join y'all. Thank you.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Matt. Well, Nick Casario is your general manager.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: There's a reason for that.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: There's overlap. There's player skill sets that you like. You know,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: D'Amico Ryans isn't a Patriots guy, so at least you
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: got him going for you. Nick Caley is still their
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, right?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: So he's a Patriot guy. I understand what he's saying, though.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: It does feel like I was watching the Texans defense
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: tape last night to watch Jalen Reed a little bit.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: And there's Miles Bryant popping up on the film and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: things like that. So they do have some Patriot guys,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: but it's because of Nick Casario. I mean, he's right.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: You know, he's has a connection to the building and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff is somebody that. I'm sure
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Elliot Wolfe feels comfortable with working with on trades and
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Good stuff, too.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I was hoping we were going to get a Jalen
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Reed breakdown.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: I do have one, if you want, from somebody who
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: covers the Texans.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give it to me.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: It's basically all stuff we said.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: It's because we know Ball.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Landry Walker does a great job down there.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I know Landry.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: He's solid. Hasn't been able to stay healthy, but they
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: trusted him even last year to start when he probably
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: more capable of playing close to the line of scrimmage,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: but just not here talking about Houston, just not here
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: because of bodies, solid backup that can start in the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: NFL for sure. They just have a lot of safeties.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: So another team that barred from an area of depth
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: to help improve. I saw Phil Perry said something. I've
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: only seen this on Twitter. So I haven't heard the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: quote and maybe there's some semantics in here, but. see
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: if I can find it again.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: While you're looking for it. I, I just looking at
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: their secondary, I, I, they, they're obviously loaded on defense
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: at all three levels of their defense. Uh, but you know,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: they have, uh, Kamari Ramsey was their draft pick at
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: a USC safety at a USC. I think they really
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: like what they've seen out of him. Uh, they brought
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Reed Blankenship in and free agency. Uh, they still obviously have, uh,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: you know, Petrie as the nickel and Bullock. And so
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: they just have a lot of safeties in that room.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that, reading the tea leaves from
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: the Houston side. I don't think that Jalen Reed was
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: one of these guys that was going to get cut anyway.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: The first thing I did was go look at their
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: roster projections. And I, I looked at, five or six
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: and he was on all of them.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I, I don't think that this is one
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: of those situations where we're going to cut our guy.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: You're going to cut our, your guy. I actually think
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: that they both traded NFL player for NFL player here,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: which is why I pushed back at the beginning of
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: the show on the, they traded at first special team,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: or I don't think that that's, that's fair. Jalen Reed. Uh,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: what would you see from Phil?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Um, so I want to make sure that this quote
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: is right. Um, Just talking to people in Houston, it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't sound like he's assumed to be a starter there. Yeah, booty.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: Talking about booty. Talking to people in Houston doesn't sound
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: like he's assumed to be a starter there. They're not
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: necessarily enamored with this guy. They don't feel like they've
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: gotten one over on the Patriots. And this is a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: massive steal for them, even though. they have a need
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: at the position given they've dealt with some injuries recently.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: So it kind of sounds like how we feel about
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Jalen Reed.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: They have Nico Collins. Who's obviously a stud in their
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: number one receiver. Jalen Noel. They're pretty high on both
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: of those Iowa state guys. Obviously Jaden Higgins got hurt
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: and that's what facilitated this trade is my guess. So
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I assume that they think that Xavier Hutchinson is the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: other guy.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, tank Dell is, I don't know if tank Dell's
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: ready to play yet.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Anything you get from tank Dell's a bonus. Although, uh,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Lewis Bond has apparently had a really good camp for them.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I liked Lewis Bond.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: Lewis Bond might be their F and Chisholm.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Similar types of players.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: That's a good comp. Uh, this is emails from Alex, uh,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: good way to just tee us up before we have
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: to wrap up the show, uh, on our reset, our
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: thoughts on Christian Gonzalez. Uh, so he saw that Christian
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Gonzalez was back in practice yesterday. He was on Monday.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: He was back. Is that just him being back from
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: the injury or possibly a sign? We were closing in
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: on a contract.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, back from the injury.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: I thought of the contract thing a little bit too.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: It did pop in my head. Like this seems notable.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: You hadn't, circled yesterday, Monday, as a big day for you.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: It was more about if he wasn't out there. I
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: think it was more telling about him if he didn't
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: return yesterday than he did. Because the thing that got
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: lost in all of this, Evan, I think so many people,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: fans hate contract negotiations. It's part of the game. I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: get it. These guys got to take care of themselves.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: The teams have their interests. It's maybe the worst part
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: of being a fan because you have to do one
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: of the players versus your team and it's a lose-lose. So,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: and obviously the nastier the negotiation, not saying Gonzalez was ever,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: that thing got nasty, is nasty, whatever. But the more
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: heated it gets, the worse it is. Just as a fan,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: we lived it as kids with how many different players
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: where you didn't know if one of your favorite players
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: is going to be back with the team or not.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: And sometimes it worked out, sometimes it didn't. So I
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people, when Gonzalez went out and
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Greg Bedard and others reported it was an injury, were like, Phew.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: He's just hurt. That's why he's not out there.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: The contract. He's not mad at the team. The team's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: not mad at him, but it's also your second best
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: player is hurt less than a month to go before
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: the season. Like that's not good.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: And so, well, last year it was just a hamstring
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: and then he missed games.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: So I think that kind of got lost in it
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: was like people glad it wasn't him holding out because
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: of what that meant for the longterm. And then it's like, okay,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: like it's, it is, Good it's not that, but also
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: this injury isn't exactly encouraging. And so you want him
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: to be able to ramp up for the season. So
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: if he hadn't been out there yesterday, either the contract
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: situation has maybe gotten bad, considering how much Rabel talked
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: about there was a ramp up in return to play, or, hey,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: he's actually hurt, and you got Seattle in two weeks,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: and somebody's got to cover JSN, and you want to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: have him out there at full strength. So him returning
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: yesterday was more just about All right, the ramp up
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: to the season continues. I don't think it's necessarily indicative
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: one way or the other. It definitely means the contract's
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: not in a horrible spot, the negotiation. I don't think
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, he returned yesterday, so he's definitely signing.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: But it's whatever that was that kept him off the field,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: clearly not super serious, whether it was the contract, whether
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: it was the injury.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: And he moved well.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, full participant, too. Not just back out there.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: He looked like himself.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Looked fine. Now, cause my, my theory had been maybe
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: for one reason or another, he was just going to
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: miss the joint practices and he wasn't going to come
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: back in between. That wasn't, that wasn't realistic. I did
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: think it was interesting when some of the players were
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: asked about him returning yesterday. We're like, I was very
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: happy to see him. I was so glad to see it. Like,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know, felt a little flowing for a guy
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: that maybe dealt with a minor injury. So maybe they
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: know something. We don't that if you want to read
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: into a little bit being contract related, I would say so,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: but yeah, Yeah, me hyping up yesterday as a big
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: day was more about what it would have meant if
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: he wasn't there.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: So it did cross my mind when we saw him
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: out there yesterday, especially when we saw him out there
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: in team. It's one thing to come out and do
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: positional drills.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole participation.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when he was out there in team.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: A day before Elliott Wolfe speaks, by the way.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: It felt notable that he was out there. I always thought,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion, that it was a
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: little column A, a little column B. He banged up
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: his ankle, plus he doesn't have a long-term commitment yet
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: from the team in terms of the contract. We're not
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: going to push it while we're in a negotiation. He's
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: obviously healthy. That's good. Item number one is perfectly, that's good.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: That needs to happen, right? It did dawn on me, though,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: yesterday that If they were really in a dark place
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: in this negotiation, he would not be out there.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: That's his leverage. His leverage is to hold out.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Or hold in or whatever you want to call it.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: The other thing that it dawned on me, though, with
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: the contract, too, and this is something I think gets
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: lost in these contract negotiations on these rookie extensions. at
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, the team kind of has
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: him over a barrel. He has the fourth year of
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: his rookie contract. He has the fifth year option. And
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: if we really want to play it out, he, they
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: have the franchise tag in their back pocket too. So
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: in theory, the Patriots have three years of team control
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: on Christian Gonzalez before they have to actually extend them.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world to just
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: give him his money, right? From a team perspective too,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: in terms of mindset and motivation and all that kind
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: of stuff. But if you're Christian Gonzalez, there is gotta
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: be a piece of you that's saying, and I think
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: that he's kind of said this at the podium. Either way,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: I got to play football, whether it's on a new
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: contract or it's on the fourth year of my rookie deal,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I have to play football. I have to play well.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Cause if it's here or it's someplace else, Trent McDuffie,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: then it's gotta, it's going to have to come out
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: of me playing well.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Somebody's going to pay him.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: So it just, at, at the end of the day,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: his leverage is not as much as you might think
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: because the team has three years of, of team control
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: on him until they really need to get, busy here
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of this contract. So I understand why he's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: practicing maybe a little bit more than, than some others
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: because of that, because it's not like he's on in
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: a contract here. It's not, you know, the end of
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: the deal or there's no guaranteed money left on his
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: rookie contract or something like that.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 9: Nope.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Like the next two years of his rookie contract, the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: fourth and the fifth year option, if he plays are guaranteed.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: He's going to get that money. So he's kind of
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: has to play like it. And if he's going to play,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: you might as well practice and make sure you're ready.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Cause you got Jason out of the shoot week one
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: in Seattle. You got to write.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: You want to make some money.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: That's a showcase.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Just like the super bowl was. It's a big, big showcase.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: All right. A couple more emails. And we got to
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: wrap just a little bit early. Cause P is on
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: right after us. This is from Joe. And he's got
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: a little spicy about this Keishon booty trade, which I expected.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I expected some people to not, to really not like
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: this trade, but he repeatedly in the email, Alex says
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: that you blew it. And in reference to us, just
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to be clear, I had nothing to do with this.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Like we don't make decisions.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: We're getting blamed for this.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: You really blew it. It was the subject line of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: this email.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: Nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with our takes.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Blow it.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: We, we don't know. No, Alex, this is about like,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: you know, he thinks he's emailing the Patriots. Like, so
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: he's emailing that. My Ellie Wolf is our email. Wolf
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: are emailing, reading these emails. Um, But this is sort
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: of just a general sentiment. I'm going to I'm going
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: to edit out some of the not so nice things
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: he said here that I thought that most people would have.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you gave away a 24 year old weapon
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: for a backup safety in a twenty twenty eight. I
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: understand having that mindset of this trade like that. That's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: how we all kind of felt in the moment. So
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I get that. And I don't want to you know,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: we're not dodging that opinion whatsoever. But I do want
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to get out there that I had. We don't have
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: anything to do with the trades. Your emails are not
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: going to Robert Kraft or Elliot Wolfe. I'm sorry that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: that's not the case.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Tell me Elliot doesn't watch our show.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: He might, uh, Matt in Wichita has kind of the,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a different spin on it just
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: to play both sides here. Uh, I think part of
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: the problem with the booty trade is that a lot
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: of Patriots fans have roasted tinted glasses when it comes
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: to Keishon booty. So many of booty's catches last year were,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: how did he catch that? You know, highlight type catches.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: There were so many throws that were 50, 50 at
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: best when the balls in the air, that somehow he
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: came down with ball skills are definitely a thing, but
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like there was some level of luck there.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: the case on booties production last year, considering his lack
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: of separation. So I don't think that it was luck.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I think that that's a skill set, you know, winning
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: the ball at the catch point, understanding how to use
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: your body to box guys out and shield the catch.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Why I think is a skill set. my whole thing
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: was always with Keishon booty was okay. And what, like,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: what else does you bring to the table besides the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: ability to win a go ball down the field? He's
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: a lead at that. He is as good as any
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: receiver in the league at winning go balls down the field,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: did it against Derek Stingley, not once, but twice in
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. It's one of the best
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: cornerbacks in football that he's doing that too. my whole
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: thing with him in terms of volume, he had 33
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: catches last year. And the question always was, how do
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: you get more volume to case on booty? Well, volume
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: comes when you're a three level player, when you can
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: do things at the first, second and third level of
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: the defense. So what's his first level route. What's his
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: second rebel level route. Can he play in the slot?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Can he move around the formation or is he truly
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: just a, I'm glued to the boundary and I'm running
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: a go route down the sideline. So far within his
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Patriots career, the one like elite trait that he's been
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: able to show is just that Kyle Williams is kind
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: of in the same boat right now. He has one
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: crazy good skill and that is he's a burner. He
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: can get down the field and he can, you know,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: win a go route. Keishon booty is kind of the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: same thing in order for him to go to like
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: a 30 from a 33 catch player to like a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: 60 catch player.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not throwing him more go balls. It was throwing
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: him different routes. It was finding ways to expand his role.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: And I just feel like that was the one thing,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: the one hangup in him as a player was, is
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: that he never really had like a B and C.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: He only had, he only had a fastball. He had
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: no off speed. So if you don't have any off
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: speed pitches as a receiver, then you're kind of, you're
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: one trick pony, you know, and that, that's where I
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: was kind of at with booty in terms of his
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: ceiling as a player.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And again, with AJ Brown here, there just wasn't going
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: to be more opportunity to expand that. So he was
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: going to be a depth player and they have other
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: guys that can do that.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, this is from David, uh, in South Carolina. This
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: is a good question. Uh, It's from Dave in South Carolina.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I'm stumbling because that's just his dad's name, and he
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: also lives in South Carolina. Is it him? He listens
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I've been hearing DeMario Douglas's name a bunch this summer.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: He looks like he's really finding his stride in terms
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: of his role in the McDaniels offense. What are your
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: expectations for Douglas this upcoming year? He has 40 catches
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: for 600 yards. This is my number one question with
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: DeMario Douglas, because I think he's another low volume, like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: high yards per catch kind of guy last year. is
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: there a volume element to his game now? Has he
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: rounded out his game so much in the slot that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: he's going to now be the guy that we thought
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: maybe could catch like 80 balls inside?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if he's going to be a
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: hundred catch guy. I think the number of him is
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: probably more 60 to 70. So yeah, In 24, he
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: had 66 catches for 621 yards. Can you improve on
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: that a little bit? Like, I think that's kind of
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: the ballpark I'm looking for.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to hope that maybe he's improved
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit in some of those areas. I think
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: the one thing that we've seen from him, though, in
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the preseason and in camp, is those crossing routes he's
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: been really good on those crossing routes running away from
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: man coverage out of the slot on like you know
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: second first and second level shallows and intermediate crossing routes
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: uh he's been like a demon on those so like
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: really difficult to cover.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Just using that speed yeah he.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Got cooper dejean a handful of times in those joint
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: practices on those types of routes so uh you know
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: if he can do that uh maybe that's another element,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it with booty. Like what,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: what are your off speed pitches? We know tomorrow Douglas
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: can stretch the seam and get up the field and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: run vertical. Uh, maybe like those shallow crossers are kind
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: of his change up to that. It'll run horizontally and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: stretch the field horizontally. So that's what I'm hoping to
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: see a little bit more uptick in volume from him
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: is to be able to do that sort of thing.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: This is more of a you question, so I think
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: it's perfect. Have you seen the new rivalry jerseys? You
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: were just talking to me about this, so you have.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I'd like to know if you agree with me that
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: our uniform is... And most of the uniforms from last
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: year are much better than this year. Do you have
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: a rivalry uniform take?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: So I think as a whole, these are better. Cause
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: last year outside of the Patriots, everyone was basically all
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: white or all black. I know the Cardinals was kind
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: of like tan. I think the jets is technically very
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: dark green, but they're all white or all black. They
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: really weren't imaginative. This year is more, I think diverse.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: I think they're more hit and miss. I think the,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: in no particular order, the Titans one's really good. The
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: Vikings one's really good. The bears are, And the Packers
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: ones are excellent. The Lions one is just a Panthers uniform.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it at all. It's weird. I think
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: they even already wore that helmet as an alternate. The
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Colts one's okay. I like the helmet, the jerseys, whatever.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: And then the Jaguars one's very bizarre. I actually like
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: the helmet more than I think most people do. I
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: think the teal with the gold face mask pops. The
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: jerseys are okay, but they'd be better if they were
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: teal than if they were white. And the leopard print
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: black pants are not it. So it kind of gets
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: worse as you go down. It was potential. I think
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars overall idea isn't terrible. The execution kind of sucks.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: The leopard. I mean, they are the Jaguars, so they
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: have leopard pants.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't look right though. It looks weird, but
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: they are.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: They're Jaguars.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: Do it in the number. Like, if they did it
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: in the number..
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: So it's, like, too much.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Which I think it is too much. It's too much.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: I still think... Let me look at last year's.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Like, a number maybe just on the stripe, like, down
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: the leg or something.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be the whole pants.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: I still think the Patriots are probably... I don't know.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: I love those Niners ones. Those are very good.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Patriots rivalry jerseys really grow on you. They're excellent. Well,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and because they really grow on you.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Cardinals were all white. Seahawks were all white. Dolphins were
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: all black. Jets were basically all black. Niners were all black.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Rams were all black. Bills were all white. The Patriots
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: were the only one. And they were all monotone. They
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: were like, I like some that bugs me on football
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: uniforms with very few exceptions. Jersey pants, same color feels
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: very high school. So they were the only ones that
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: actually had like a real NFL looking uniform. Um, you know,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: these new ones, I think the bears and Packers especially
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: are right up there, but the Patriots are still upper
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: echelon of rivalry jerseys.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: They really grew on you when you first saw them,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: when they came out last year with the, with the like, yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: die whatever those are called markups whatever it was like
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: what is this is a weird blue it's not patriot
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: blue it's not I've never seen that blue before that
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: sort of thing the jerseys I don't I see Drake
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: May 10 rivalry.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Jerseys All the time. They're very popular.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: That is the most popular jersey I have to imagine
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: that the pro shop sells. The rivalry gear, like the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: sweatshirts and the rivalry jackets and things like that are awesome.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm not just doing this just to, like, be
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: a brand ambassador.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, they're always sold out of it.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: It's really... I don't know if I've ever seen like
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: a Jersey do a one 80 like that, where the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: initial impression of the Jersey was not good. And then
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden people started to like, see them
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: in person.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: I will say that.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: And now they're the most popular thing going.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: If you talk about the merch aspect of it, not
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: just the Jersey, but the whole thing, some of the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: Chicago merch I've seen in the branding is excellent. They really,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: really now. It's very heavy Chicago, Chicago, Chicago. And I
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: see people photoshopping in Hammond over that. But they have
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: this one logo where it's like a football shape. And
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: it says Chicago in letters in it. And then there's
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: a bear lying on the top. Almost kind of looks
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: like one of the Bruins alternates here. I'll show this
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: to you. People can look it up. But it's like
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: a different kind of look than what they've had. Like,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: that's pretty cool.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: That's a good look.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: And then people keep photoshopping Hammond.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: I absolutely love my robbery jacket. One of the best
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: jackets I've ever owned. That thing is awesome jacket.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Nike has not totally blown this. And I was a
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: little hesitant about it coming in. Uh, Nike's done well
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: with it so far. So we'll, we'll see. And they
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: also announced part of this. Uh, they announced the rivalry
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: schedule for the upcoming year. Okay. The Patriots will wear
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: theirs week 13 against the bills this season. And they
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: will also be on the other side when the jets
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: wear theirs this year.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: So the bills are not wearing them against the Patriots.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: No, so there is one. Hang on. I have it here.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: We have to wrap, but I want to see the ice.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: I don't love the ice out bills ones, but just
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: because I think that they fit with the.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: It would be cool.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: The ice out bills against the Patriots blue, you know,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: rivalry blue. I feel like that's just a nice jersey.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: I thought that's what it was going to be like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: you know, nine when they wore the throwbacks. but I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: guess they like the Packers dark green, the bears dark
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: blue wouldn't get work. But, um, the Rams and Seahawks
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: are wearing theirs against each other head to head week 16.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: And they made a note in the release. It is
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: the first time two teams will wear their rivalry jerseys
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: against each other. because the Rams wear black, Seahawks wear white,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: so they can do that. Couldn't do it with all
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: of them, but you can do it with those.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Well, you could have done it with the Patriots and
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: the Bills.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they should have. That would have been cool.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: All right. Patriots unfiltered will come up in eight minutes.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: We'll reset our thoughts and get the rest of the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: gang's thoughts on the Keishon booty trade. As far as
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: catch 22, I think we're 10 to 12, right? Because
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: you're on with... I'm on younger math next week. Yeah,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: so it's got to be in the morning, Ace, so
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: make a note of that. 10 to 12. on Wednesday
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: next week. Cause this guy's got to go deal with Felger.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: So we'll let him do that.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Fancy pants over here.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, I gotta do my job. Just like you have
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: to cut this show short so you can do your job.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here though. And
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: unfilter will be up at noon. So we'll see you
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: guys next week on catch 22 and I'll see you
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: in eight minutes on unfiltered.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:49:23
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