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“Joe’s Super Tuesday.” · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: On today's pod, we'll dig into the results of a
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  Speaker 1: stunning Super Tuesday that catapulted Joe Biden to the front
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  Speaker 1: of the Democratic field. We'll also be taking a look
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  Speaker 1: at some of the down-ballot results for the U.S. House
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  Speaker 1: and Senate. I feel like we were just here five
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  Speaker 1: minutes ago, guys.
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  Speaker 3: We were, John. I slept here.
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  Speaker 1: That's how committed we are. Tommy's been crunching precinct numbers
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  Speaker 1: all night.
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  Speaker 3: Just punditing all night long.
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  Speaker 2: Minority report over here. Let's get him out of the tub.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me, what'd you and Ben get into on Pod
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  Speaker 1: Save the World yesterday? Man, you've been potting nonstop. Who
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  Speaker 1: fucking cares?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding. We talked about the very fragile
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  Speaker 3: peace deal with the Taliban in the U.S. It was
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  Speaker 3: signed over the weekend, which is already unraveling. I just
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  Speaker 3: saw a newsletter that said U.S. strikes Taliban in first
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  Speaker 3: hit since peace deal, which is a weird headline. We
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  Speaker 3: also talked about the conflict in Syria and interviewed a
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  Speaker 3: woman who's doing incredible relief work in Idlib province, which
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  Speaker 3: is where there is maybe a million people living in
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  Speaker 3: tents or outside and She's helping get the money in
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  Speaker 3: medical supplies and food. So check it out. Stay for
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  Speaker 3: the interview. And that's it.
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  Speaker 4: Tommy, are you watching Homeland this season?
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  Speaker 1: No, but I've heard there's a lot of parallels.
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  Speaker 4: It is explicitly about a fragile Taliban peace deal negotiated
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  Speaker 4: in part by Carrie Matheson.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's missing from the discourse, but.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: One reminder, no matter how this primary shakes out, our
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  Speaker 1: few bucks today. All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 1: And let's start with the most dramatic political comeback I
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  Speaker 1: think I've ever seen. It was only a month ago
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  Speaker 1: that former Vice President Joe Biden finished fourth in the
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  Speaker 1: Iowa caucuses, fifth in the New Hampshire primary, couldn't afford
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  Speaker 1: many ads, couldn't afford much of a field operation, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get any more endorsements, seemed like his campaign was finished.
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  Speaker 1: Last night, he won the most pledged delegates in nine
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  Speaker 1: out of 14 Super Tuesday states, including Texas. Virginia, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Maine, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. Bernie Sanders won the biggest prize, California, as
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  Speaker 1: well as his home state of Vermont, Utah, and Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Biden's string of victories also forced billionaire former mayor Mike
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  Speaker 1: Bloomberg from the race, who dropped out this morning and
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  Speaker 1: endorsed the former vice president. So, I want to get
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  Speaker 1: into Biden and Bernie individually, and I know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of delegates haven't been allocated, especially in California. which takes
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks to count all of our votes here.
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  Speaker 1: But Dan, what does the big picture, what does the
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  Speaker 1: big delegate picture look like right now?
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  Speaker 4: It looks as we see it here today that Biden
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  Speaker 4: is in the poll position to end the primary with
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  Speaker 4: the most pledged delegates, which is a shocking turn of
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  Speaker 4: events since everyone believed in a crowded field that Bernie
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  Speaker 4: Sanders would clean up on Super Tuesday. The winnowing of
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  Speaker 4: the field helped Joe Biden incredibly, but also This was
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be Bernie Sanders' best delegate day. This was
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  Speaker 4: a very strong set of states for him. There were
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  Speaker 4: states he did well in in 2016. California and Texas
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  Speaker 4: were these two big delegate pots that we thought he
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  Speaker 4: would do very well in. And Biden massively outperformed. And
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  Speaker 4: so now the road for Bernie Sanders after this is
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  Speaker 4: much harder because Biden's strongest states are still to come.
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  Speaker 4: States with large African-American... populations and significant suburban cohorts of voters.
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  Speaker 4: And those states are going to come later. And so
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  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders has a lot of ground to make up
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  Speaker 4: if he wants to be the Democratic nominee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tommy was saying this on the last pod that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in every primary gets to the point where
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  Speaker 1: is it about momentum? Is it about demographics? Going forward,
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  Speaker 1: based on the results we saw last night, we can
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  Speaker 1: start seeing which demographics are good for which candidates. And
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  Speaker 1: then you can start looking at the states and figuring
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  Speaker 1: out who's going to do well in those states.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think that is true. But I would just
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  Speaker 3: say that, you know, I think demographically, a lot of people,
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  Speaker 3: one of the Nates, I believe, thought that Michigan would
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  Speaker 3: be a great Bernie state. But there was a poll
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  Speaker 3: out last night that I think has Biden up seven points. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that is a canary in the coal mine.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason that is, is because the one demographic
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  Speaker 1: that they're still fighting over is non-college educated white voters,
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  Speaker 1: which Bernie Sanders expected to have a lot of strength with.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe Biden has sort of eaten into his lead
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  Speaker 1: with those voters. So And we'll talk about that later.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the ads are about sort
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  Speaker 1: of that cohort of voters. But it is fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: we were sitting here a couple of weeks ago talking
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  Speaker 1: about Bernie Sanders potentially netting three to four hundred delegates
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  Speaker 1: last night. And then as the polls got closer and
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  Speaker 1: Biden did better and he won South Carolina, we were like, well,
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  Speaker 1: a really great night for Biden could be Bernie walking
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  Speaker 1: away with a 100 delegate lead. And now we're sitting
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  Speaker 1: here talking about Biden as the delegate leader. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that is just a fucking stunning turnaround. What to you
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  Speaker 1: guys were some of the most surprising wins last night?
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  Speaker 2: I think Biden winning in Texas was surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that was, you know, look.
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  Speaker 1: Only our friends at Data for Progress captured in one
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  Speaker 1: last poll.
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  Speaker 2: One last poll, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One last poll a couple days before.
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  Speaker 4: 538 model, too.
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  Speaker 2: 538, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They've been predicting it.
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  Speaker 4: Since that fell out, which is very impressive. Yeah, since that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to say what's surprising is the
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  Speaker 5: dramatic shift that happened in three days. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: feel like we've talked about not being in the prediction
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  Speaker 5: business anymore. And, you know, we... We're talking about just
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  Speaker 5: how many things had to go right for Joe Biden
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  Speaker 5: to be in a position to do well on Super Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: And every one of those things went right.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that a consolidation behind Joe Biden that people
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  Speaker 5: had been lamenting, people who wanted Joe Biden or a
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  Speaker 5: non-Sanders person to win, people who wanted that consolidation to
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  Speaker 5: happen were lamenting for weeks and weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Like, where's the consolidation? Where's the consolidation? And it just
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  Speaker 2: happened to happen in this incredibly short window.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in some of the big surprises in the states, Minnesota...
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota was a surprise to me. Where Bernie polled well
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  Speaker 1: and won the 2016 caucus by 22 points. It's now
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  Speaker 1: a primary and Joe Biden won it.
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  Speaker 3: That is a big story. The number of states that
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  Speaker 3: shifted from caucus to primary really hurt Bernie because I
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  Speaker 3: think he was able to organize a smaller group of
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  Speaker 3: people who really, really loved Bernie Sanders and met a
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  Speaker 3: lot of delegates last time. And when you look, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk about this more, but The big concern for
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  Speaker 3: Bernie coming out tonight is that his base seems to
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  Speaker 3: be shrinking, not growing from his 2016 margin. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of that can be attributed to caucus states going
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  Speaker 3: to primaries, but he's still down in a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: primary states as well.
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  Speaker 1: Massachusetts was not a state that Joe Biden was expected
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  Speaker 1: to win. Maine, also a state that was called just
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  Speaker 1: this morning that Bernie Sanders is expected to do well in. Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: which Bernie won in 2016, lost last night. And then
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  Speaker 1: In Virginia, you know, Biden was expected to win, but
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  Speaker 1: I think the margin in Virginia and the turnout in
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  Speaker 1: Virginia surprised pretty much everyone. I think the interesting thing
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  Speaker 1: about the surprise states is this was basically supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be a night where, at his best, Joe Biden did
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  Speaker 1: really well in the South and that Bernie would do
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  Speaker 1: well in the Northeast, in the Midwest, and then certainly
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  Speaker 1: in the West. And at least in the Northeast and
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest, where I'm pointing to the map, pointing to
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  Speaker 1: our map over there, Tim. where, you know, Bernie did
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  Speaker 1: really well in Iowa, and then Bernie did really well
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  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. Joe Biden showed that he had strength
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  Speaker 1: in both of those regions. All right, let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: how Biden turned this around and what he has to
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  Speaker 1: do next. Here's a clip of his victory speech from
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  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 6: People are talking about a revolution. We started a movement.
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  Speaker 6: We've increased turnout. The turnout's turnout for us.
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  Speaker 2: That can deliver us.
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  Speaker 7: To a moment where we can do extraordinary, extraordinary things. Look,
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  Speaker 7: our agenda is bold, it's progressive, it's a vision where
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  Speaker 7: healthcare is affordable and available to everybody in America.
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  Speaker 6: Where we bring drug prices down under control with no
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  Speaker 6: more surprise billing. Access to hospitals in rural areas as
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  Speaker 6: well as urban areas. Access to care. A bold vision
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  Speaker 6: where we invest billions of dollars to find, and I
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  Speaker 6: promise you, cures for cancer, Alzheimer's, and diabetes. Standing up
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  Speaker 6: to and beating the NRA and the gun manufacturers. And
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  Speaker 6: leading the world to take on the existential debt of
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  Speaker 6: climate change.
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  Speaker 5: Hearing it is actually a much worse experience than seeing it.
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  Speaker 5: It looks better when he was up there. When you
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  Speaker 5: hear it, you just hear the tenor of his voice.
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  Speaker 5: And I think someone should just let the vice president
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  Speaker 5: know about the power microphones out these days and how
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  Speaker 5: incredible they are at amplifying sound.
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  Speaker 1: He was pretty excited last night.
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  Speaker 2: He was very excited. There was that one point where
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  Speaker 2: he goes like, they were counting me out. They were
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  Speaker 2: calling me dead. Now they're saying the other guy might
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  Speaker 2: be dead.
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  Speaker 5: He was practically going to go down his list of
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  Speaker 5: grievances to nail to the church door.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when it was a controversy and people attacked Joe
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  Speaker 3: Biden earlier in the campaign for promising to cure cancer?
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  Speaker 3: That's how many lifetimes he's gone through.
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  Speaker 4: He definitely said that with the knowledge of that controversy.
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  Speaker 1: Just one of the many stupid things on Twitter that
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  Speaker 1: did not matter to voters at all. Nope. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so what happened in the Democratic primary that led to
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  Speaker 1: this comeback? Lovett, you started talking about the consolidation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: What was the path here?
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  Speaker 5: Here's what it has felt like in the last few weeks,
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  Speaker 5: which is just that a lot of things, that we
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  Speaker 5: thought would happen sooner just happened later. You know, the
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  Speaker 5: first time that people started going after Bernie Sanders seemed
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  Speaker 5: to happen later. Now the consolidation we thought should have
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  Speaker 5: happened earlier happened just in the final moments before Super Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: And I do think also, you know, one thing we're just...
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  Speaker 5: Inside of is just all voters becoming pundits. And one
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  Speaker 5: of the things that a lot of the exit poll
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  Speaker 5: shows is how many people who decided late decided to
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  Speaker 5: vote for Joe Biden. And so I think there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people watching and really paying attention and
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  Speaker 5: holding their votes to the last minute. And Joe Biden
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  Speaker 5: winning in South Carolina, getting all those endorsements, becoming the
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  Speaker 5: kind of alternative and seeing all of these leaders in
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  Speaker 5: the Democratic movement rally behind Joe Biden in the final
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  Speaker 5: moment gave people the final push they needed to say, OK,
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  Speaker 5: I'll go with Biden.
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  Speaker 3: His late deciders and African-American voters were the story of
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  Speaker 3: the night for him. Bernie had real strength among Latino voters,
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  Speaker 3: especially in California. I think he got 49% of Latino
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  Speaker 3: voters to Biden's 12 in California. But that was really
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  Speaker 3: the only bright spot for Bernie in terms of turnout.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he won younger voters, but they did not
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  Speaker 3: turn out in numbers that in any way backs up
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  Speaker 3: his claim of riding that demographic to a general election victory.
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  Speaker 3: It's very problematic for his entire campaign narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dan?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Ultimately, Bernie Sanders had a very clear path and a
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  Speaker 4: very strong strategy around winning the Democratic nomination with 30%
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  Speaker 4: to 35% of the vote. And once the field winnowed,
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  Speaker 4: that is not a number sufficient to win, even in
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  Speaker 4: your strongest states. And there's real concerning signs in all
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  Speaker 4: the numbers, I think, for Bernie Sanders. It's not too
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  Speaker 4: late to turn it around, but there's work that needs
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  Speaker 4: to be done, and we can talk about that. But
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  Speaker 4: in Biden's strong states, he claimed the overwhelming amount of
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  Speaker 4: the non-Bernie vote. So a lot of Bloomberg people in
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  Speaker 4: Biden's strong states went to Biden, therefore pushing Bloomberg below threshold,
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  Speaker 4: allowing Biden to split the delegates among two people as
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  Speaker 4: opposed to three. In Bernie states, he was not able
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  Speaker 4: to expand, and Bloomberg, and in some cases Warren, also
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  Speaker 4: got delegates. So Biden's strong states netted more delegates for him.
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  Speaker 4: Bernie's strong states netted fewer delegates for him with California
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  Speaker 4: still to be called.
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  Speaker 3: Like Colorado is especially a good example of where Bernie
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  Speaker 3: needed people like Warren and others to not be viable,
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  Speaker 3: but they were and they got delegates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about this. We've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: how the lane theory of the primary isn't perfect, right?
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  Speaker 1: That voters don't exactly see all these candidates in a
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  Speaker 1: moderate lane or a liberal lane or lefty lane or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But it does seem that when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Bernie specifically- that there were Bernie supporters
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  Speaker 1: and then a whole bunch of the party that were
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  Speaker 1: non-Bernie supporters. And I think Elizabeth Warren has a chunk
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  Speaker 1: of supporters that would probably vote for Bernie or could
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  Speaker 1: be Bernie backers. But for a lot of other candidates,
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  Speaker 1: they were all fighting for a similar share of the vote.
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  Speaker 1: And after New Hampshire, I remember a lot of people said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you combine the votes of Pete and Amy and
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  Speaker 1: some of the other folks, it's much bigger than Bernie's margin.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of Bernie supporters sort of mocked that.
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  Speaker 1: But it turns out that when those candidates dropped out
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  Speaker 1: and consolidated around one person, it really was a lot
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  Speaker 1: bigger than Bernie's market.
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  Speaker 3: I also don't think that a majority of Warren voters
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  Speaker 3: would go to Bernie. In fact, I think they are
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  Speaker 3: more likely to be college-educated women who are late deciders
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  Speaker 3: who would have gone to Biden.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 3: So this whole theory of the case, there's so many
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  Speaker 3: Bernie people online this week blaming Elizabeth Warren for his
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  Speaker 3: defeat and saying she failed to consolidate the progressive vote
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  Speaker 3: around Bernie Sanders. you are telling yourself a story that
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  Speaker 3: is not backed up by the data.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's talk about how Joe Biden won, which
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  Speaker 1: voters he won. Tommy, you mentioned he dominated with black voters.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, I do think the biggest story is
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  Speaker 1: he dominated with the voters who decided in the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of days. It's interesting. The only states that Bernie
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  Speaker 1: outperformed the 538 projections are vote by mail states.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like in Virginia, Virginia tells one part of the story
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  Speaker 5: and California tells the other. And, and, and, Bernie was
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  Speaker 5: always gonna do well in California, but.
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  Speaker 1: And Utah was vote by mail and Colorado was vote
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  Speaker 1: by mail and he did well in those two states too.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think, someone said that late deciders broke
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  Speaker 1: like 51-21 for Joe Biden, which is just a crushing,
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  Speaker 1: crushing margin. I saw 47-17.
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  Speaker 3: 47-17.
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  Speaker 1: So other groups of voters he won, he won women,
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  Speaker 1: he won voters over 45, he won registered Democrats and Republicans,
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  Speaker 1: college graduates, moderate and conservative voters, somewhat liberal voters- which
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  Speaker 1: I think is a key category for Joe Biden to
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  Speaker 1: win somewhat liberal voters. Those, again, were a lot of
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  Speaker 1: those voters that, like you said, Tommy, could be Warren voters,
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  Speaker 1: could have been Pete and Amy voters. What does this
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  Speaker 1: say to you guys about Joe Biden's coalition going forward
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  Speaker 1: and how strong it is and maybe the challenges that
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  Speaker 1: he has?
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  Speaker 4: Within the context of the primary?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he has a, at least for the
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  Speaker 4: purposes of Super Tuesday, he put together the exact coalition
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  Speaker 4: you need to win the Democratic nomination. which is you
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  Speaker 4: have to dominate with African-American voters, which in terms of
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  Speaker 4: the delegate math can be disproportionately advantageous to you because
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  Speaker 4: of how districts are drawn. And he has suburban voters.
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  Speaker 4: And so that combination is very similar to the one
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  Speaker 4: that put Barack Obama over the top in 2008 and
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  Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton over the top in 2016. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, in Texas, for example, the electorate skewed
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  Speaker 3: older than it did in 2008 and in 2016. And
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  Speaker 3: Biden won 65 and older voters 48 to 15. That
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  Speaker 3: is very hard to come back from.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Bernie is crushing among young people for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But in some states, Biden showed some strength with 30
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  Speaker 1: to 44 year olds. He showed some strength with younger
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  Speaker 1: black voters. But even though Bernie is crushing among young
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  Speaker 1: people and Latinos, which he is, youth turnout has been
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  Speaker 1: down significantly. in some of these states, or at least
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  Speaker 1: not quite, certainly not up. And the other problem for
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  Speaker 1: Bernie is the states with the heavy Latino populations, the
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  Speaker 1: heaviest Latino populations have voted. You've got Arizona and New
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  Speaker 1: Mexico still on the map. And obviously there's Latino populations
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of different states. But if those are
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  Speaker 1: his two best groups, that's tough going forward. What are
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden's challenges, aside from coalition building, just message-wise, performance-wise,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: going forward in the rest of this primary? If you're
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: in the Biden campaign right now and you're looking ahead
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: at the rest of the primary and you see Bernie
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Sanders coming at you, what do you got to do?
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: I think the Joe Biden we saw give a speech
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: in South Carolina is the Joe Biden they need to
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: put out over and over again. And they need to,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I think, mitigate the challenges he's had in debates and
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: his performance.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd worry about debate prep.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: It's a performance question. I mean, as Dan said, he's
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: put together the coalition he needs to win. I think
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: the reason it took this long for people to rally
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: behind Joe Biden is because some of the questions about
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: his performance. And I see a lot of Bernie people saying,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: he's making all these mistakes, he's doing all these gaffes,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: how can people rally behind this? And I think those
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: are a bit over-torqued, but nonetheless, I do think that's
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: what Biden has to answer.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Dan?
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's performance, but I put two other things,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: which is, He has to improve his performance with the
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: young voters, not necessarily for the purposes of winning this primary,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: although that would certainly help. But he's not going to
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: be president if he cannot motivate young voters to turn out.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: That is a key part of the 4 million Obama
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: 12 voters who did not turn out in 2016. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: you're going to have to get voters like that, particularly Madison, Wisconsin,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Ann Arbor, Michigan, places like that. The second is, if
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: he is going to be the nominee, he has to
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: find a way to land the plane that keeps the
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: party unified. And that was a huge challenge for the
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Clinton campaign, I think, in 2016. Obviously, there was responsibility upon,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and this is all just presuming that Biden wins, which
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: is far from decided yet. But if he has been
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: the nominee, he has to become the nominee and unify
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the party and welcome the Bernie Sanders coalition together. open arms.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: You have to show some grace to the opposition. We're
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: going to talk about that Bernie needs to do that too,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: but I do think that Joe Biden needs to do
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that too. Back to the gaffes, I think that Joe
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Biden can survive all the gaffes that people on Twitter
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time obsessing over and the media
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: obsesses over if he has a strong message. To me,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the gaffes are not necessarily the problem. They're sort of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: built into what you know about Joe Biden. He's going
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to say some stuff that's off. But you need a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: solid message. And I don't No. Look, you saw in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: South Carolina, he talks about restoring the soul of the nation.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: He talks about a return to decency. I think that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: part of it. I think he really now needs to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: sharpen the economic message. And I think Bernie Sanders will
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: force him to do that because Bernie Sanders has a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: very good economic message and he's going to come for
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden with it. But I think Joe Biden needs
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to respond with an economic message of his own that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: is partially rooted in his accomplishments as Barack Obama's vice president,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: but also about the future and what he's planning to do.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And You know, a lot of people might not know this, but,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, if Joe Biden becomes president, he'll become president
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: running on the most progressive platform in history. Not as
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: progressive as Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, but more progressive
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: than the president he served with.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Biden shouted during the speech last night, this election is
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: not about the past, it's about the future.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And it was sort of apropos of nothing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: And it wasn't on either side of that sentence backed
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: up by any kind of a message.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And that just doesn't cut it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he needs to do a better job
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: of laying out what he is affirmatively for. And Bernie's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: about to come after him on a lot of old votes.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to hammer him on the Iraq war vote.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: They're already out with a new TV ad attacking Biden
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: for statements he's made in the past about cutting Social
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Security benefits. And he needs to. lay out a progressive
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: policy agenda that helps blunt that. But also, I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I wonder if voters are going to care more about
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: old votes, even massively problematic ones like the Iraq war
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: vote versus the ability to beat Trump. And I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: if Biden can project an ability and capability to stand
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: up there and debate him and kick his ass in November,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: then he's likely to come out of this primary ahead.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like he has a progressive policy platform. He
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: just no one really knows what it is. He hasn't
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: he hasn't talked about it enough or at least it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: hasn't broken through in any serious way. And I think
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: maybe the one advantage of a longer primary where he
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: goes head to head with Bernie Sanders is that, you know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: he gets to talk about that more or at least
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: he should.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Just one more thing on this too. I think there's
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a mirror version of this for Bernie too. Would you
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: encourage him to be, in a world where everybody's a pundit,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: would you encourage him to be incredibly direct in speaking
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: to young people that support Bernie Sanders, whether it's now,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: whether it's soon, and make a direct plea to say,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: you know, I welcome you into my movement and I
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: want you to push me in the direction you want
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: to take the country, or some kind of direct plea
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to the young, impassioned people who I think today feel very,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: you know, not that this is at all over, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: who right now kind of feel incredibly nervous and pretty brittle?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think always being direct like that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is a bonus for a politician because people think you're
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: just going to be scripted and say what people, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: what you're supposed to say. And I think moments where
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you can acknowledge a weakness that you have and then
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: talk about how you're going to fix that weakness or
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: at least try to overcome it are always a strong
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: point for a politician. Let's talk about the other remaining frontrunner,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. We don't yet know how many delegates Bernie
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: will net from his victory in California. There should be
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a lot. Elsewhere, Bernie underperformed in several states compared to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: 2016 and did not appear to expand his coalition in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a significant way. But he did say in his speech
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that he will win the Democratic nomination, and he called
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: out what he sees as the key distinctions between him
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and Biden. Let's take a listen.
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: One of us in this race led the opposition to
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: the war in Iraq.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You're looking at him.
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: Another candidate voted for the war in Iraq. One of
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: us has spent his entire life fighting against cuts in
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: Social Security, wanting to expand Social Security. Another candidate has
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: been on the floor of the Senate calling for cuts
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: to Social Security, Medicare.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Medicaid, and veterans programs.
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: One of us led the opposition to disastrous trade agreements
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: which cost us millions of good-paying jobs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And that's me.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: And another candidate voted for disastrous trade agreements. One of
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: us stood up for consumers and said we will not
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: support a disastrous bankruptcy bill.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And another candidate represented the credit.
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: Card companies and voted for.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That disastrous bill. So Bernie was the prohibitive favorite for
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the nomination just a few weeks ago. Uh, what happened?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, he didn't do that well on super Tuesday.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's the kind of analysis you come here for.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I was just on the, on the Bernie speech. Uh, uh, I,
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I watched the whole thing and cause you need that
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: contrast though. That contrast is what everybody's been replaying. And I,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and I went to watch it because I wanted to
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: see like, so does he turn from there? into a
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: bigger positive message, just sort of a bigger, broader coalition
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: building optimistic message.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't. He doesn't in that speech.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: He delivers that contrast and the kind of core of
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: the message that has appealed to the portion of the.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Voters that he's already won.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: And I do think that in that speech, you see
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: the challenge that led to him to this place, which
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: is there wasn't a lot in there about appealing to
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the kind of people who as of now have not
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: been with Bernie.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, those are important policy positions and votes
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that he's talking about, but it's kind of hard to
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: hear a speech that is half booing. And I know
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: that wasn't the entirety, but you're like, he needs to
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: build on his coalition. It's shrinking. He needs to reach
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: African-American voters who probably like Joe Biden. If they know
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: about Joe Biden, he needs to reach older voters who
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: probably like Joe Biden or college educated white voters who
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: probably like Joe Biden. And like, I don't know that
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: that does it. I don't know that that's a speech
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: that builds. That seems like more of the same negativity.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So it's a challenge in that you need to contrast
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: yourself with your opponent, but you also need a positive message.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And you also need to reach out to people who
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: are clearly obsessed with electability. And Bernie, I think better
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: than some of the other candidates, has been talking about
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: electability throughout this primary. I think if I were Bernie,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'd go up there and be like, you know, we
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: need a candidate that can offer the best contrast with
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Right. We want when Donald Trump says he's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: going to cut Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid, we need
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a candidate who's been fighting for Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and wants to expand it. When Donald Trump passed another
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: bad free trade agreement, we need a candidate who's been
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: against free trade agreements from the start. Right. Then then
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the future. You get people cheering, not
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: people booing at Joe Biden. It's about Donald Trump. It's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: about an electability case. Like he just sort of needs
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to turn the case around because if he decides these
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: next couple of weeks that it's just going to be
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: lighting Joe Biden on fire. That's his right to do that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Like you said, I don't think that's going to expand
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: his coalition in any meaningful way. Yeah, but I think,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you said this earlier, Dan, clearly Bernie hit
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: a ceiling. And everyone's been wondering this whole primary, like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is there a ceiling? He only got 33 to 36
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: percent in the states that he won. California's not in yet.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And Joe Biden in the states that he won. had
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a much higher percentage, even in a crowded field, in
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a multi-candidate field.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: North of 50 in several cases.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: North of 50. In Bernie Sanders' theory of the race
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, Tommy, I remember you had talked to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: some people on that campaign early on that they thought,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: as long as we can keep our support around 30
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in this crowded field, that's enough to win.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And they weren't wrong for the early states. Well, not
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: South Carolina, I guess.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Right. But in some of the early states. And I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: think that the... problem with Bernie's coalition right now is
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: there's incredible depth in the support and the passion among
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: his coalition, but there's not a lot of breadth. It
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: is just not big enough. And I guess the question
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is like, what does he do? How does he expand
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that coalition?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I think everything you guys just said about the dangers
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: of turning this into just an attack on Biden are correct.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: And this is very challenging, right? Bernie has been working
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: at this now for six years, and he is actually
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: in a in terms of coalition size, in a worse
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: place than he was at this point in 2016.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: He was doing worse.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Along many groups, demographic groups, than.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: He was in 2016. And so, in that whole period, he, like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you look at this from the very beginning, you were
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: to say to Bernie Sanders, like, how are you going
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: to do better in 2020 than you did in 2016?
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: The answer had to be African American voters. It had
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: to be. That is where he lost last time. He
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: did not achieve that. And there's a whole host of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: reasons for that. And we can talk about this Obama
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: ad where he's clearly trying to address that. But, It's
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: a little late on that. I think to the extent
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: that he could, where he could make progress in the
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: short term here is he has to go back to
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: making an electability case for himself. Yeah. This is where
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Biden has.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: You can't run away from the electability case because that's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: clearly the number one thing on people's minds right now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: And I think the, like that week between him becoming
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: the clear front runner between Nevada and South Carolina was
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: a thorough examination of his electability. And some of it
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: was unfair. Some of it he handled poorly. and he
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: suffered mightily from it. And so he's going to have to,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: he has to make the case that he has a
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: better job, he's in a better position to beat Trump
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: than Biden. And there is an argument for that. Like
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: all electability arguments, it's theoretical bullshit, but it is an
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: argument that you can, like I would say the same.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Thing about Biden.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: They're all legitimate cases, but who knows if they're right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And they're both candidates with strengths and weaknesses.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: And so, but he has to go back to making
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: that case because he has to get some of these
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: voters who flock to Biden in the states that were
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: voted on Super Tuesday, to come to him as the
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: campaign goes on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One interesting thing, Ron Brownstein was talking about this
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: when you look in the exits, among registered Democrats, right?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So Bernie ran even with Biden and Warren in Iowa
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: among registered Democrats. He won them in New Hampshire and Nevada,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and he's lost them ever since. And this is sort
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of right around when they have, when I say they,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Bernie in some ways, and certainly his campaign supporters have
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: stepped up attacks on the Democratic establishment. And I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I saw us all sort of retweeting this. Ezra Klein
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: had a really great piece about this, that if you're
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: going to lead the Democratic Party, you cannot be at
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: war with the Democratic Party. And I don't think that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Bernie himself has been quite as at war with the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party as maybe he even was in 2016. But
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: certainly if you go online and it's not just fucking
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: random Twitter trolls, we don't care about those people. I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: talking about people on his campaign. Not everyone on his campaign,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: but some people on his campaign who seem like they
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: are more in a fight with the Democratic establishment than
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a fight against Donald Trump. And that is a, again,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that's their right. You guys can do that if you want.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Have a great time. But I don't know if that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: going to win you the nomination. In fact, I don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: think it will.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: And I don't think it's about I don't think this
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: is about, it's not about civility.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: It's not about being nice. It's about people being mean
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to people.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: It's to me, I see a lot of assumptions about
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the motivations of people like Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: that presume that people who came to the conclusion that
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: it was important for the country to rally behind Biden,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe with some, you know, not that these people are perfect,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: not that they're not without flaw, but not that they're
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: not flawed people, but that they came to that conclusion
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: with genuine, like, fear for the country and concerns about
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: both candidates, but came to that decision, difficult, a difficult decision.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: And to be told that they're doing it for nefarious
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: reasons to just to stop Bernie, they don't, because it's
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: purely about that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You've heard, yeah, you've heard a lot of. these establishment
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Democrats don't care about beating Donald Trump. They just want
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to beat Bernie, which is like, what.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: The fuck are you talking about? They hate Bernie so
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: much that I'm going to vote for someone that is
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: backed by the healthcare industry and that's going to lead
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to people dying. That's a literal thing you will see
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: on the Twitter feeds of Bernie's staffers. Not all of them.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Not Faz. Not some of the really thoughtful, smart ones.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Not Ro Khanna. You're not seeing AOC saying things like that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Or Bernie.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Or Bernie Sanders. There are people that make this about
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: grievance and a lot of it is this weird self-absorption
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: that i don't particularly understand but then you also hear
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: that tone from the some of the bernie aligned media
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: outlets like a jacobin or some of the podcasts that
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: back him that like if you don't support motives you
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: want people to die which just assumes that he will
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: magically pass medicare for all the men he walks into
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the fucking oval office and there we go right and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: just it's absurd purity test that i know from talking
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: to not senior staff on the warren campaign or pete's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: campaign but like young organizers and who just fucking hate
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that stuff. They hate that tone and it's driven them away.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Well, because they are working their ass off, these young people,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to elect their candidate because they believe their candidate can
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: help improve the world. And to be told they're doing
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: it because they're trying to help the Democratic establishment maintain
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: power and get jobs in D.C. is fucking bullshit. It's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: not a way to win people over. Tommy, you mentioned
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Ro Khanna. If Bernie people want to see the most
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: effective surrogate For Bernie Sanders, who gets what it takes
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to sort of bring the party together and yet still
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: be a very proud progressive and a proud lefty, watch
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Ro Khanna or watch AOC.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Or Pramila Jayapal.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Or Pramila Jayapal, right? Like, he has some really good
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: surrogates out there who get politics and are still, just
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: because you get politics doesn't mean you're a centrist neoliberal shill.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: You can still be progressive.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: I think I can say one thing about the Ezra
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Klein piece.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I think the actual piece is very, very smart. It
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: has been, in Twitter, reductionism brought down to Bernie's mean
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to the Democratic establishment, therefore he can't lead the party.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Right. Which is always what they do, is say it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: about meanness, which it's not about meanness.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: But it's not even about the Democratic establishment, right? It's
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: not about Susan Sarandon calling for Nancy Pelosi to be replaced.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: It is about seeming like you are open to the
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: views of people who don't agree with you on everything.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: And- If you can't do that in a Democratic Party
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: where you agree on 85% to 90% of the solutions
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: and 100% of the goals, then you're not going to
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: be able to do that in government. And there have
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: been three occasions, I think, in the last week that
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think each individual one moved voters against Bernie,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: but they bespeak the larger problem. And this has been
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: a problem for Bernie since 2016. One was after AOC
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: went out and basically opened the door to compromise on
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Medicare for All, saying- We're going to fight for it,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: but if we get a public option, that'd be a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: huge victory. Bernie Sanders was asked that question. He said, no,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Medicare for all is a compromise. From what? I'm not sure,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: but it is a compromise. Oh, because there's a transition period.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: He's like, we're going to abolish private insurance tomorrow, but
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I'm giving you four years, so shut up. That's unfair.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: I'm kidding.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Second is The his response to the Castro comments, which
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: we all defended him because we thought what he said
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: was right. And the reaction was unfair.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you. A lot of Castro's not the other attack
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: on Joaquin Castro's beard. We'll let that go.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: But we support that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: But like there is an element of politics where sometimes
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you have to learn how to eat shit. And the party,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: a lot of people in the party reacted, particularly to
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: say it's going to matter to Bernie like Florida. I
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: think the reaction was unfair and disproportionate. And there was
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of motivated reasoning there. But sometimes you just
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: have to acknowledge things that you disagree with fundamentally.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Do you think Barack Obama wanted to apologize for not
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: wearing a flag pin and act like that was a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: big deal? No, but he ate shit and he did
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: it and it helped him win the election.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Publicly disavow his pastor twice.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: And look, people say, well, you're corrupt if you think that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: That's not it. You need to build a coalition of
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: people who don't agree with you on everything. And then
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the third one, I think, is actually... under-discussed and pretty
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: significant is that he said he would not pick a
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: vice president who did not agree with him on Medicare
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: for All, which means you're going to use the most
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: important decision of your presidential campaign not to expand your
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: appeal to people who may disagree with you. And all
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: of those things, I think, bespeak the larger problem within
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: his messaging, that it does not seem, fairly or unfairly,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: open to the people who do not agree with him
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: on everything. And that's how you end up with a
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: ceiling on your number.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: And I do think, Contributing to that is the lack of,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: it's not civility, but it's a lack of sort of
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: respect for the motivations of a lot of people who
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: are afraid for the country every single day and just
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: trying to figure it out like the.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Rest of us.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, it does seem like there could be
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: some thinking in the campaign today that Bernie does need
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to expand his coalition. He ran an ad with him
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: and Barack Obama. I think we have a clip of it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Bernie is somebody who has the virtue of saying exactly
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: what he believes, great authenticity, great passion, and is fearless.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Bernie served on the Veterans Committee and got bills done.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: I think people are ready for a call to action.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: They want honest leadership who cares about them. They want
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: somebody who's going to fight for them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And they will find it in Bernie.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's where I feel the Bern.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: I'm Bernie Sanders, and I approve this message.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Barack Obama has starred in so many ads this cycle.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Incredible. Knock me over with a feather. I was watching
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that ad. I'm like, I just have to give him
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: credit for that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love that it's smart.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I remember what Obama said, Phil. I think Obama
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: saying Phil the burn was when he was trying to do,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: it was like a unity thing between Hillary and Bernie
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in 16, because I remember him doing that and laughing
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: at it at the time. But look, I mean, I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if this ad works, right? Because I do...
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think many I don't know how many Democratic
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: voters think that Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama are natural allies. Obviously,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the counter to this from the Biden campaign and from
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: others are going to say, well, Bernie did say, you know,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: float a primary challenge to Barack Obama in 2012 said
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: on he said on a radio station he needs a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: primary challenge. And so, you know, I don't know how
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: much that works, but, you know, good for him for
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: trying to work for Bloomberg. Right, it worked for Bloomberg, yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: They didn't like each other.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: They didn't like each other at all. It worked for Bloomberg.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Barack Obama has been just blanketing the airways for
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: two candidates he has some problems with. But I will say, though,
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: what was interesting about that message is it's not a
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: radical message. It's actually a really kind of positive case
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: for what Bernie is in a way that could appeal
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: to a lot of people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Forget that Barack Obama's saying it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Remember, it just wasn't Barack Obama. Yeah, it said he
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: can get things done. He can work with other people
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to get things done, which might be as important for
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Bernie as the Obama thing. Obama saying it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Why do you think Bernie didn't run that ad before
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: the South Carolina primary?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe caught off guard by just what happened yesterday.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: They must have had that in the... You think they
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: cut that overnight? Or you think they must have had that?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Seems like they had that, right?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: You've known it's out there. Any political consultant who heard
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: that has had that in the back of their head.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that ad has been in the can for
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a long time. And there is an element of... I
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: don't like, maybe he felt like he was inauthentic to
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: run that ad because he had floated that primary challenge.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Although I think Bernie Sanders act, despite that primary challenge,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: what actually has a greater claim to relationship with Barack
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Obama than Michael Bloomberg does. Oh, and none of them
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: are in the neighborhood of Joe Biden, obviously, but like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: it's not an unfair ad in any way, shape or form.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: So I'm just like, there must've been a decision. You're
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: heading into the most important state that could essentially, you
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: could end Joe Biden's candidacy right there by causing him
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: to underperform there and building on some momentum you apparently
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: had in polling in African-American voters and did not run that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm just curious, like, I don't know whether that stubbornness,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that was a candidate decision.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Or like the wing of the campaign that's like, fuck
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the neolib shills.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I bet you that Barack Obama listens to a Bernie
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Sanders speech and agrees with 99.9% of what comes out
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: of his mouth. It's just an approach to politics is
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: where they differ.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Obama's always been about bringing people together, even when they
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: disagree with you.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And compromising.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: It has been core to his ability to win.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say there was, you know, the toxic
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: debate in South Carolina. There was that moment at the
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: end where the question was about what are some myths
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: about you? And what Bernie said was the myth is
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: that I'm a radical and the things I advocate for
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: are not radical. They're incredibly sensible, practical things to help people.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: And that side of Bernie, I think, is so important
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: to his appeal. and actually speaks to the incredible achievement
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: he's had in the last six years of pulling the
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: party to the left, regardless of what happens moving forward.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: And if I were sort of sitting at a computer
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: trying to figure out what Bernie should be saying now
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: or what he should have been saying a week and
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: a half ago, it would be that broader message about
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: how practical these ideas are, how much he's gotten done,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: the importance and the positive about, you know, helping the strangers,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: if they yourself, like all that part of that, that
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: undergirds the kind of hope people feel in Bernie.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And it just has been missing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I will say, Dan, to answer your question, just thinking
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: about it for a second, the Bernie people might've been thinking,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: if this becomes a contest between Bernie Sanders and Joe
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Biden about who Barack Obama likes better, There's a very
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: easy moment on the debate stage where you'd be like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I know you've been running this ad, Bernie, but he
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: picked me to be vice president twice. And he's my pal.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And I served in his administration for eight years. What
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: did you do? It reports that you floated a primary
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: challenge to him and you disagreed with him many times.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: So it's all about sort of the frame of the election, right?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: You never want to fight on a frame that's going
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to benefit your opponent. So that might be one reason.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: It's sort of a reductive thing. focus for a whole
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: campaign too, but here we are, I guess.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Or sometimes campaigns just screw up because they're focused on
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: a million things and don't get the.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Ad up or what happened. Who knows?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk all about Elizabeth Warren, but
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I do want to start by, at the end of
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the Bernie section here, talking about how much was Warren
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a factor for Bernie's performance on Super Tuesdays. Many of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: his supporters and some on his campaign seem to blame
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: her for taking away progressive votes. Ilhan Omar tweeted, Imagine
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: if the progressives consolidated last night like the moderates consolidated.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Who would have won? I feel confident it would have
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: allowed us to win Minnesota and other states. Is this true?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Is this fair?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've made my view clear that I don't
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: think it's true or fair.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: It's just the math says no. Every bit of data
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: says no.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe you can make an argument that Massachusetts, maybe there's
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: one or two places where it would have shifted a state,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: but I don't think it would have shifted the overall
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: result of the night. And also, this wasn't a fight
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: between Biden versus Bernie plus Warren. This is a fight
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: between Biden plus Bloomberg versus Bernie plus Warren. If they're
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: all gone, Bloomberg did a lot better. The damage Bloomberg
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: did certainly countervails anything that Elizabeth Warren did, if you
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: even assume that those votes would have all gone to Bernie, which,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: as Tommy said, you can't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And I'll just say, from a political standpoint, like, if
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you're Bernie Sanders and you want to expand your coalition,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: blaming Elizabeth Warren, and not that he's doing it, but
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: even having some of your supporters do it, fucking tamp
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that shit down, because blaming Elizabeth... This is someone who,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: if she drops out of the race, you'll want her endorsement.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe don't tweet snakes at people.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, we should be clear on Bernie's behalf is
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: that he has been explicitly going in the other direction
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: of his supporters. He was asked whether she should drop out.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: He was very explicit that he would not tell her
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Faz said that in the New York Times as well.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: He's doing a press conference now, basically, and I would
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: be shocked if he does not once again offer words
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: of support for her as opposed... There is– throughout all
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: of everything we've been talking about, there is this disconnect
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: from Bernie the person and Bernie the campaign. And it
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: is incumbent upon Bernie the person to make the person
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: a more centerpiece of the campaign, which– And.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: To get the campaign in line.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, there's the Bernie aligned media,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: which it's not fair to blame him for things that
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: they say and do. But if you welcome those same
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: people later into events and GOTV rallies and other things,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: like you're going to get tagged with some of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: shittier things they say. That's life. That's politics.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: OK, let's talk about Elizabeth Warren, who had a disappointing night.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Her campaign hoped she'd win a sizable number of delegates.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but she barely cleared the 15% viability threshold in just
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a few states and lost her home state of Massachusetts.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Her campaign released a statement this morning saying that she's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: going to take a few days to think about what's next. Guys,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it's obviously no secret that we all, really like Elizabeth Warren,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: have been incredibly impressed with her as a candidate and
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: her campaign. What do we think happened here?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's do two parts of this. I mean,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I think there's mistakes she'd made and things that were
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: out of her control. So in terms of mistakes she made,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I do think that the story that was told about
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren probably should have been the story of a
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: woman born in Oklahoma who went to a commuter college
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: after dropping out at 19 because she got pregnant and
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: worked her way up as a teacher. And like that
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: incredible inspiring up from your bootstrap story, I don't think
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: broke through and said it was sort of wonky professor
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: who has a plan for that, which in the moment
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: seems like brilliant branding and amazing. But I think long-term,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: didn't necessarily connect her with voters in the way that
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: builds a connection that is enduring. That would be one note.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: And I just add to that, too, that I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: the warrior Warren that we saw in the debate with
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Bloomberg was one that was so welcome and so incredibly
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: impressive and was sort of the other piece of the wonk.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: It's like, you know, she comes from nothing. to become
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: the intellectual leader of the Democratic Party. And she does
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: it by being a fighter, but not just being a wonk,
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: but being a fighter who's relentless. And that relentlessness is
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: what had led her to that stage and to take
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Bloomberg apart piece by piece. And that came late and
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: couldn't overcome some of the liabilities that were outside of
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: her control, including misogyny.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Sometimes the people with the best message, the best campaigns,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: don't win. And she made mistakes for sure. Her campaign
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: made mistakes. They bet on Iowa and they didn't win Iowa.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: And then it's, that was sort of the original sin
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: here that has been hard to, very hard to recover from.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: And the bet on Iowa was not incorrect. Like she
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: looked at the map, knew New Hampshire would be hard
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: for her given challenges that she has with being in that,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: in that Boston media market, which has not been friendly
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: to her despite her political success there. Demographically, the next
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: two states were hard for her. So she needed a
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: burst of momentum and to become the front runner. That
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: didn't work. But, Like in the context of what Lovett
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: just said is that in an election where electability, whatever
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: that means, has been the primary issue for Democratic voters,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the role of misogyny has played a huge part. It's
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: misogyny and it's gender and race, right? Which is why
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: the candidates of color, women candidates and particularly women candidates
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: of color are offered no margin of error on their mistakes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: And the way that I think it's just so important
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: to think about that, I know we talked about this
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: on the live stream last night, but is when Elizabeth
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Warren was the frontrunner, there was an electability panic among
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: political elite about her. And the primary reason, even if
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: that was just a proxy conversation or something else, the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: primary reason for that was her support of Medicare for All.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And the Medicare for All bill she supported is the
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: one that Bernie Sanders wrote. And there has not been
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: a similar conversation around Bernie Sanders. And so you don't
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: have to be a fucking detective to figure out what
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: the problem is here.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And in that, I think she faced sort of two
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: factors mainly beyond her control, which was the intersection of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: both gender and ideology, right? Candidates that are perceived as
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: too far to the left have a harder time winning
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a nomination. And then women candidates have an added challenge
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: because sexism exists in this country. And the fact that
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: she was both, that she was a woman running to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the left, which her Medicare for All position and the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: scrutiny on the Medicare for All position highlighted, I think
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: for a Democratic elector that was obsessed with electability became
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: an issue. Because as we remember, we all were there
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: for the poll, the Des Moines Register poll that showed
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: her in first place in Iowa, right? She was leading
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the field for a while.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: And just to update everyone, so I'm seeing right now
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders is doing a press conference and he said
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: that he spoke with Elizabeth Warren a few hours ago.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And per our previous conversation, she said she's assessing her
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: campaign and he is asking people to respect the time
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: and the space that she needs to make her decisions.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: So Bernie Sanders is leading and doing and saying the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: right thing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Good for him. Good for him.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, just on the sort of the misogyny front too,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I do think you see some people trying to argue
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: against it by saying, well, then why did Amy Klobuchar
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: do well?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Or why did she- She was a moderate. Right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, she was a moderate, of course. And why was,
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: how could you say that, you know, misogyny isn't the reason.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth- And Bernie Sanders did well because he's a man.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: And Elizabeth, well, what I was gonna say is, you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Elizabeth Warren was leading. A lot of people didn't suddenly
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: become misogynist. And of course that's true. But I do think,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: We have never grappled enough with the subtle but deep
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: way in which our language of politics, our metaphors, our
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: notions of experience, what we give to men in terms
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: of credit for their accomplishments, what we give to women
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: in terms of credit for their accomplishments. I mean, it
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: was just an uphill battle for her from the very beginning.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: And it's sad, that's all.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I will say one thing, sort of looking at this
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: electorate and what we're seeing in these results. Next time
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: there is an open Democratic primary and Donald Trump is
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: not the incumbent president and fear has not pervaded the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: whole contest and everyone's super worried about electability because if
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we don't nominate the right person, Donald Trump will be
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: president again. I do think that this Democratic electorate will
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: be more willing to take a chance on a candidate
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that is not as traditional, either in their ideology or
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: their gender or their race or whatever it may be.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I think Democrats will feel a little more courageous when
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: we're not facing a Donald Trump.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: That's the fundamental difference between 2020 and 2008. Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Barack Obama gets nominated in this environment.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I think it's highly unlikely that he does. Because a
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: lot of people have asked that question, like, well, how
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: did Obama navigate the electability question? And it was a question.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: It was one very explicitly raised by some of Hillary
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Clinton's advisors. But it was not the primary overriding topic
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: of discussion for the entire campaign. And so it was
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: a It was a much lower hurdle for him to
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: get over than it was for any candidate in this cycle.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: And it's not just like what is actual electability. It
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: is a narrative of politics that has existed since the
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: day after the 2016 election, which is the only way
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: to win the White House is you have to persuade
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: a group of conservative white men in Wisconsin. And when
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: you choose that as the narrative of politics, that is
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: going to ultimately disadvantage anyone who is not a white man.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: I also think Elizabeth Warren paid a price for the
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: incredibly– un-nuanced and, you know, pretty brittle conversation that took
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: place after Hillary Clinton's popular vote win and electoral college
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: loss around the interplay of her unique flaws and weaknesses
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: as a candidate and the role that misogyny obviously and
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: clearly played in that race. And I do think that
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: that conversation ultimately made people nervous and fearful when they
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: were already going to be nervous and fearful going into
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: this election.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Finally, the last candidate who competed on Super Tuesday has
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: dropped out. Mike Bloomberg is calling it quits after spending
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: more than half a billion dollars, which is about the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: GDP of American Samoa, which is the only place he
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: won last night. Bloomberg also picked up delegates in a
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: number of other states, but it wasn't enough. And he
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: endorsed Joe Biden this morning. We talked about lessons learned
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: from Tom Steyer's grand experiment last week. What do we learn?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: What do we learn from Mike Bloomberg's campaign, guys? Hard
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: to run in a Democratic primary when you're a Republican.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'll take that.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say like I feel like there are
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: people over learning lessons around ads.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: There's I think there's a lot of people saying, wow,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: he you know, he spent five hundred million dollars on
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: ads and they didn't work. I do think that, you know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: the ad set up Mike Bloomberg to show up late
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: in the game and actually like allowed him to outpace
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: people that have been running for a year. And he
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: just couldn't close the deal. He came to that debate
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: stage and he and he found her and it led
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: people to walk away.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that is exactly right. Ads can help,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: but they cancel off all your problems. And the problem
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Mike Bloomberg had was he, despite being a true champion
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: on two of the most important issues that Democrats care about,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: climate change and gun control, on the vast majority of
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: other issues, he was ambivalent at best and conservative at worst.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: He had a long history of statements, critical of President Obama,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: everyone's best friend, despite his ads. And generally, and he's
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: also not a good politician. Like he doesn't like, When
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: he went to that debate stage, the person who showed up,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: regardless of how Elizabeth Warren handled him, which was obviously
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: very skillful, but the person who showed up there seemed
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: nothing like the grand, bold leader who's best friends with
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Obama that several hundred million dollars of ads showed up. Eventually,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: some people have to try the product, and the product
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: did not match the marketing campaign, and that is where
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: he tumbled.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's also like a bunch of Democratic voters were like,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: all right, we really care about electability. And we're looking
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: for the candidate who we think is the most electable.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: But you know what? Mike Bloomberg is going too far.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: That's really true. I can't go that far.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I think if he had done well in that debate,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: then he would have seemed electable.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Well, if he had seemed like a Democrat.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Or seemed like a mediocre politician. That was one of
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: the worst debate performances in American history. And to be
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: fair to him, he has not debated since George W.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Bush was president.
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: A man he endorsed.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: You were going to say that. But also, that is
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: why it was so reckless to think that you could
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: use Blanket the Airwaves to create a position for yourself.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: If you're not ready... Well, it wasn't reckless.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It was a smart move that almost worked until he
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: got on that debate stage.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not practiced as a candidate. And that's what
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: we need. We need a practiced candidate.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That's all. No.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: He didn't do interviews. He didn't do town halls. He
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: didn't do debates. And so... When he basically had to
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: go up to the plate at the biggest, most important
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: moment of this entire campaign without ever having swung a bat.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't, it's a sports thing, but.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work. I mean, listen, Elizabeth Warren dismembered him
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: like an extra in Dexter, right? I mean, he like
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: faced one of the most brutal, effective debaters this entire cycle.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: But also, it is.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden should send Warren a thank you note.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Everyone should.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: It was gross when she whispered his ear, shh, it's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: almost over.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: You can't win the Morning Joe caucus and think that
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: then $ 600 million of ads is going to cover up
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: for tons of allegations of... Yeah. I don't even remember
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: the specifics. I mean, sexual harassment, et cetera, et cetera.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of terrible stuff at your company, a lot
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: of terrible votes, a lot of terrible positions. routinely talking
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: shit about the former president united states who is popular
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: i mean none of that was fixable with money thank
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: god by the way yeah that's something good about our democracy.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: His problem is he's not as close to brock obama
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: as bernie sanders.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I mean look for all the criticism that mike bloomberg
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: has received most of it deserved um he did say
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: this morning or his campaign said this morning they will
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: be spending all of their money now to help elect
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee where they think the Democratic nominee will
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: be Joe Biden. They're supporting Joe Biden. But nonetheless, I nonetheless,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I do think that is some very good news and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: speaks very well of Mike Bloomberg that after taking shit
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party for the last couple of weeks
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: as this monstrous oligarch, he's like, hey, I'm still here
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: to beat Donald Trump and I'm going to help in
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: every way I can. Yeah, it does. Good for Mike Bloomberg.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, it does speak well of him.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: And, you know, he decided he could have run as
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: a spoiler independent as some other billionaires considered.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Or just take his money and gone home and be like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: fuck you people.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Go to his new home in American Samoa.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where he'd be welcomed like a king.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: But he chose to run in the primary and make
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: his case, and it didn't work, and he backed out.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: More than we can say for, you know, better than
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Howard Schultz.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: He dropped out, so we're fine. For now.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: For now.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: What do you know?
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway, before we go, we should just talk about a
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: few down ballot results. In North Carolina, former state senator
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and veteran Cal Cunningham won the Democratic Senate primary and
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: will face off against Republican Tom Tillis in the fall.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Polling has showed Cunningham and Tillis in a tight race.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: It's a big race in North Carolina, and we got
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a good candidate.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: And I think the turnout in North Carolina in this
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: primary is phenomenal. encouraging for that race.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah thom phyllis has to be a little worried.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: About that was a big number every time i try
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to find his handle on twitter to speak something mean
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: about him it's so hard because it's thom phyllis in
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the thank for trump um go to votesaveamerica.com slash get
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: mitch to donate to all the democratic senator candidates but
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: now you cannot now we have one in cal cunningham
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: um In Texas, no Democratic Senate candidate cleared 50%, so
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: there will be a runoff between MJ Hager and someone else.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: We don't know who because it's still too close to call.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: In Alabama, Doug Jones, our boy Doug Jones, send him
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: some money. He will face the winner of a runoff
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: between Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions and Tommy Tuberville. Who do we
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: want to win that runoff? Do we want Sessions?
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I actually think it may be worse than that. I
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: think it's Jefferson Beauregard.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Jefferson Beauregard Sessions and Tommy Tuberville.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Tommy Tuberville.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: He's a football coach. Listen, let's just all sit here
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: and be happy that Roy Moore got his clock cleaned
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: by Alabama voters.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: He might have been the easiest to own.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I know, but even the prospect of that disgusting scumbag
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: potentially serving in the U.S. Senate is too much to bear.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Because you know Mitch McConnell would be like, well, give
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: him some committees.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Might as well. Yeah, he would have done it before. Oh,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: it's Tuberville. Tuberville. Okay, thanks, Michael. There was also a
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: jungle primary in California's 25th congressional district to fill Katie
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Hill's seat. No candidate reached the 50% required majority. So
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Democrat Christy Smith will run against Mike Garcia in a
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: runoff in May. Smith and Garcia will also face off
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: in the general election in November.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Brutal.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Two elections for those two to see who will serve
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the full term starting in 2021. That's an important seat.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And so everyone here in California near the 25th, help
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: out on that one. And then finally, one congressional primary
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that we were watching closely was the Texas 28th. Jessica Cisneros,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a progressive 26-year-old human rights lawyer who we endorsed, who
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Tommy interviewed here on Pod Save America, challenged Trump's favorite Democrat,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the very conservative representative Henry Cuellar. Cuellar ended up beating
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Cisneros 52% to 48%. Close. That one sucks. And Cisneros
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: said she'll be back.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Good for her.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: She's 26. She's a badass. She inspired a lot of people.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: And Cuellar had Pelosi coming in at the end. He
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: had DCCC money. He had Koch brothers money. He had everything.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: The whole kitchen sink. So she'll be back.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: That's it. Anyone else have any other?
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Can we just say something about the voting problems?
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Which is all across the country.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: They were bad.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Particularly in California and Texas. People were forced to wait
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: in line for hours. The more likely you are to
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: live in a low income or community of color, the
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: longer you had to wait in line. And Mark Elias...
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Our friend, Democratic attorney who has been fighting these in
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: courts for voting rights for a very long time, pointed
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: out on Twitter last night that if we do not
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: make fixing those issues a priority, we were going to
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: get our clock cleaned in November. And it is particularly
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: frustrating in California where we control all the levers of power.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: We give people vote by mail and every other thing.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: California is supposed to be the model for how you
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: do it. And the fact that people were waiting in
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: line five hours after the polls closed to cast a
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: vote in a Democratic primary is deeply- In.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: A Democratic state. Yes.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: All the levers of power.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: We have the power.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Can I just say one stat from Texas? Since the
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, Texas has closed
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: 750 polling locations, 72 of them are in the 50
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: counties with the fastest growing African-American and Latino population. This
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: is deliberate. It is racist. It is voter suppression. And
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: we see it every election and it's just priced into
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: the coverage that the media just expected to happen. We
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: need to treat it like a scandal event. and an
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: outrage and make it a top priority.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you the fact about Texas that I
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: think shows just how unsubtle they are in their efforts
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: to disenfranchise Democratic voters. Texas has, obviously, a very onerous
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: voter ID law. But don't worry, if you don't have
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: a driver's license, you can vote with your conceal and
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: carry permit. But if you are a student at a university,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: including a Texas State University, your student ID does not count.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Wow. On the California piece of it, I do.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Help flip the Texas legislature.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: But in California, too, I do think that there's like questions,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: you know, because it was a system where you could
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: vote and you can vote in multiple places. You can
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: go where you wanted to vote. So I do think
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: that a lot of this is just sort of figuring out,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: forget like efforts at voter suppression, like what happened to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: break a system that was supposed to make voting easier
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: and better?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to hear from Alex Padilla, who's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Secretary of State, who I think has done really incredible
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: work in trying to make California the model for voting.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what were the unintended consequences of a plan to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: try to make the system work better?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Well, we will talk to you. I mean,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: we're just going to be sitting at this desk probably
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: because there's a debate, primary. Yeah. There's just a million things.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Hoping Biden shows up so we can interview him.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Biden. Invitation's open still. Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Got a seat right here.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Got to get those young voters.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: We're here.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: We're here.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: We're ready to chat.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Remember us?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: We'd love to talk to you. Anyway, there's a debate
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: sometime next week.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: It's a week from Sunday.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: It's a week from Sunday.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: So then we have the primary next Tuesday. Okay.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: Right? Yes.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: All right. So, you know, we'll be back on our
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: normal schedule. We'll talk to you guys.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: Bye.
• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:01:03
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