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Sharri | 2 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This.
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Speaker 2: Is Sharry, Thanks Andrew, and good evening.
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Speaker 3: Massive show Tonight, a major exclusive AZEO Director General Mike
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Speaker 3: Burgess declares that HERMAS supporters are a national security threat.
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Speaker 3: These comments clarify his view on the GUASA.
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Speaker 2: Visa issue that's in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, an ex UK spy chief weighs in on
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Speaker 3: this very issue.
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Speaker 4: And you're not going to avoid this terrorist problem.
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Speaker 3: My exclusive interview with Sir Richie dearlove coming up shortly
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Speaker 3: and with the heartbreaking news that six Israeli hostages have
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Speaker 3: been executed by Hamas. For Israeli government spokesman Elon Levy
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Speaker 3: will speak to us exclusively about the media bias against Israel.
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Speaker 3: Also today, Jim Chalmers at war with the RBA as
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Speaker 3: the economy sinks. Will economist Warren Hogan would tell us
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Speaker 3: who's to blame. But first now to our major exclusive.
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Speaker 3: AZIO Director General Mike Burgess has told a private gathering
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Speaker 3: that anyone who supports Harmas or the October seven terror
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Speaker 3: attacks would pose a security threat. These comments clarify his
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Speaker 3: view on the guards of visa issue. I can tonight
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Speaker 3: reveal that mister Burgess has made it clear that Gazans
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Speaker 3: who want a Palestinian state will be allowed into Australia,
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Speaker 3: while support for HERMAS would be, in.
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Speaker 2: His words, a deal breaker.
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Speaker 3: This is a major development in the saga that has
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Speaker 3: plagued the government over the past month. Since mister Burgess's
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Speaker 3: appearance on the ABC last month, there's been considerable community
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Speaker 3: confusion over whether Hamas activists were welcome in Australia.
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Speaker 5: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
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Speaker 5: an ideology or support for a violent stream as an ideology,
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Speaker 5: then that's not a problem.
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Speaker 3: And then in question time Anthony ALBINIZI wouldn't answer the
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Speaker 3: question twice about whether HERMAS supporters would pass the character
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Speaker 3: test for an Australian visa.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister does supporting has pass the character test for
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Speaker 6: an Australian visa.
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Speaker 7: Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to
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Speaker 7: the same security standard set by the same agencies and
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Speaker 7: the same personnel as under the former government.
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Speaker 3: Well after weeks of concern, Mike Burgess's new comments.
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Speaker 2: Clarify his position on the issue.
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Speaker 3: I can reveal that Mike Burgess told a high level
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Speaker 3: private gathering of business leaders and academics last week that
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Speaker 3: it wasn't the case that he would give the green
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Speaker 3: light to HERMAS supporters entering Australia.
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Speaker 2: I understand.
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Speaker 3: He told the gathering that any HERMAS supporters would be
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Speaker 3: considered by ASIO to be a security threat. He said
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Speaker 3: words to the effect of and I quote, if you
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Speaker 3: support terrorism, if you support what happened on October seven,
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Speaker 3: then you are a threat to security. So Mike Burgess
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Speaker 3: clearly stating there that any support for her Mus or
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Speaker 3: the terror attacks of October seven would be considered.
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Speaker 2: A security threat by ASIO. He also made it clear that.
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Speaker 3: Supporters of a Palestinian state, but not individuals who support
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Speaker 3: her MUS, would be allowed into the country. I understand,
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Speaker 3: he told the private gathering, and I quote believing Palestine
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Speaker 3: should be an independent state would not automatically disqualify someone,
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Speaker 3: but providing material support to HERMAS or harboring extremist beliefs would.
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Speaker 2: Be a deal breaker.
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Speaker 3: So Mike Burgess is now saying that supporters of a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state would be allowed into the country, but harboring
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Speaker 3: extremist beliefsing support material support to HERMAS would be a
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Speaker 3: deal breaker. Mike Burgess also spoke about how more people
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Speaker 3: in Australia are being radicalized and how it's impossible to
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Speaker 3: keep tabs on everyone. He also spoke about the approach
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Speaker 3: taken by the organization he leads ASIO. He said again
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Speaker 3: I quote AZIO takes a comprehensive and in depth approach
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Speaker 3: to its security checks as defined by the ASIO Act.
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Speaker 2: Each case is taken on its merits.
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Speaker 3: We look at everything to determine if a person is
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Speaker 3: a direct or indirect threat to security, not just one thing.
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Speaker 3: And he also told the gathering that ASIO cannot go
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Speaker 3: into the details of the security checks process because the
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Speaker 3: more applicants know, the more likely and extremist will be
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Speaker 3: able to use this to their advantage. Suffice to say,
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Speaker 3: asio's checks and advice are part of a bigger process
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Speaker 3: that's administered by Home Affairs. Now, my story tonight comes
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Speaker 3: after considerable concern and confusion in the Australian community about
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Speaker 3: how the possibility of her MUS activists arriving in Australia
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Speaker 3: could be allowed. Mike Burgess's comments now clear this up.
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Speaker 2: From a security perspective.
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Speaker 3: He is saying unequivocally that support for HERMAS or for
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Speaker 3: the October seven attacks would be considered by Asio to
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Speaker 3: be a threat to Australia's national security. Now this tonight
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Speaker 3: clears up Asio's position, but not the Albanese governments. The
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Speaker 3: Australians editor at Large Paul Kelly wrote on the weekend
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Speaker 3: that there has been a deliberate confusion between entry policy
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Speaker 3: and security checks. Albanzi has tried to blur this line.
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Speaker 3: He's tried to mislead the public by saying he's got
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Speaker 3: confidence in Asio. Asio doesn't set the immigration policy. As
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Speaker 3: Paul Kelly wrote in his excellent piece, the Albenzi government
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Speaker 3: has given no explanation for its visa policy or process.
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Speaker 3: He said, almost nothing is known about the government's originating decision.
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Speaker 3: Was this authorized on submission by the National Security Committee
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Speaker 3: of Cabinet as the only proper decision making body was
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Speaker 3: an overall entry number agreed? Why were tourist visas used?
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Speaker 3: What security provisions were authorized? Why didn't the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: make a formal, detailed statement on the decision and take
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Speaker 3: related questions? Now, the Albenze government chose to use visitor
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Speaker 3: visas tourist visas that have a lower security vetting threshold
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Speaker 3: to speed up the process of getting Gazans into Australia.
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Speaker 3: And this is an admission already made by adhusik.
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Speaker 6: Why visit A visas because they're faster. The process withf
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Speaker 6: G visas take longer, and given what's happening right now
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Speaker 6: and the dangers presented, the view was to try and
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Speaker 6: get people out as quickly as you can.
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Speaker 3: And as you know, the government has issued nearly three
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Speaker 3: thousand visitor visas, with only some where a flag is
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Speaker 3: raised actually going to ASIO.
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Speaker 2: For vetting the form ahead of m I six.
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Speaker 3: Sir Richard Dearlove tonight on the show, sits down for
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Speaker 3: an exclusive interview.
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Speaker 2: And he says there's a clear terror risk.
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Speaker 3: He says no gasans should be coming to Australia at
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Speaker 3: this time. He says that would be his strong advice. Well,
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess's remarks that I've brought to you tonight have
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Speaker 3: clarified the security position from Azio's perspective that her MUST
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Speaker 3: supporters do pose a security threat. So now the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister needs to come out and say unequivocally that her
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Speaker 3: MUST supporters don't be welcome in Australia, that supporting her
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Speaker 3: MUS won't.
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Speaker 2: Pass the character test.
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Speaker 3: Because just overnight we've seen the horrific and brutal murder
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Speaker 3: murder of six young innocent men and women after nearly a.
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Speaker 2: Year spent in captivity.
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Speaker 3: Anyone who supports this brutality has no place in our country,
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Speaker 3: and that should be a statement of the obvious, not
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Speaker 3: something the Prime Minister has to obfuscate and equivocate about,
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Speaker 3: as he did on that last sitting day of Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Here you see hersh Goldberg, Poland just twenty three.
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Speaker 2: His mother told us how.
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Speaker 3: Hopeful she was that her son would come home when
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Speaker 3: she spoke to us on this program. There's Alex Lebanov
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Speaker 3: thirty three, Alma Garusi twenty six, Carmelgut thirty nine, Eden
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Speaker 3: Urushlmi who turned twenty four just before she was killed,
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Speaker 3: and Ori Denino twenty five. They each had so much
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Speaker 3: to live for, their whole lives ahead of them, but
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Speaker 3: Hermas executed them. They were shot at close range. Their
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Speaker 3: bodies dumped inside a tunnel under Raffa, Yes, Rafa Rafa,
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Speaker 3: where Penny Wang, Anthony Alberanizi, Kamala Harris and many others
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Speaker 3: didn't want Israel to go.
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Speaker 2: Remember that.
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Speaker 7: I have directly put to Prime Minister net nyahou Australia's
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Speaker 7: concern about a grand invasion of Raffa and the consequences
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Speaker 7: that would be there.
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Speaker 8: We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every
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Speaker 8: way that any major military operation in Rafa would be
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Speaker 8: a huge wants.
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Speaker 9: I wish to restate the Australian government's grave concerns about
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Speaker 9: an impending major Israeli ground offensive in Ruffa. Our message
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Speaker 9: to Israel is listened to the world. Do not go
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Speaker 9: down this path.
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Speaker 3: So many young lives in Rafa waiting to be saved.
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Speaker 3: Yet Penny Wang, Kamala Harris, Anthony Albinezi didn't want Israel
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Speaker 3: to go there, didn't want Israel to go there where
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Speaker 3: these young people, some of them children, some of them
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Speaker 3: a baby, were there in captivity, held by her Musk terrorists,
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Speaker 3: waiting to be rescued. And as for the statements by
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, well, one of their own
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Speaker 3: American citizens was there waiting desperately.
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Speaker 2: To be rescued, Hirsh. He was a duel American Israeli.
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Speaker 3: I can't help but wonder how different the outcome for
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Speaker 3: these hostages and many might have been if international agencies
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Speaker 3: and world leaders had truly put immense pressure on her
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Speaker 3: Muss and its backers like Katar for their release. If
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Speaker 3: the Red Cross and other UN agencies had lectured not
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Speaker 3: Israel but her Mus to release all of these lives,
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Speaker 3: if they had insisted the Red Cross on visiting the
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Speaker 3: children and other hostages in captivity, but they didn't, the
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Speaker 3: world basically turned its backs on these young lives now
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Speaker 3: lost to us forever.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I spoke with Britain's former top spy chief about the
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Speaker 3: Guys of visa issue. The world famous former head of
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Speaker 3: MI six, Sir Richard Dearlove, says that if he were
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Speaker 3: in charge of our national security, his strong advice would
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Speaker 3: be to stop any Gazans arriving from the terrorist controlled hotspot,
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Speaker 3: at least until security vetting is possible.
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Speaker 2: Now, Sir Richard held the.
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Speaker 3: Role informally known as C from nineteen ninety nine to
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Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: In your former role, would you have been worried about
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Speaker 3: social cohesion issues and rising anti Semitism by bringing in
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Speaker 3: literally thousands of people from Gaza when you look at
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Speaker 3: their own governments hatred of Israel which they want to
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Speaker 3: wipe off the map.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, it's a shocking and it's a complex issue,
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Speaker 4: and I think the problem that we're seeing is the
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Speaker 4: exploitation of the Palestinians by Hamas. I mean, Hamas's attitude
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Speaker 4: to the Palestinians has been entirely cynical. And you know,
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Speaker 4: they have created a conflict where the civilian population is
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Speaker 4: a shield, and you know they have mixed combatants and civilians.
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Speaker 10: There's no separation in this war, and the.
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Speaker 4: Palestinians have suffered dreadfully and we all, I think, feel
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Speaker 4: that concern and that sympathy which has turned, you know,
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Speaker 4: into an extreme situation. I think the danger that you
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Speaker 4: mention in relation to Australia, and I'm not informed of
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Speaker 4: the detail, is amongst some of those people coming into Australia,
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Speaker 4: there would I would, I would imagine, not just be
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Speaker 4: Hamus sympathizers, but the possibility that there are Hamous activists
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Speaker 4: as well. And there's no question that Iran, you know,
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Speaker 4: will be exploiting these opportunities. I mean, they have a
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Speaker 4: very active intelligence organization which has a long history in
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Speaker 4: my view, of supporting terrorist movements.
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Speaker 10: So yes, there is a danger in.
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Speaker 4: This sort of infiltration of the Palestinian diaspora, and as
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Speaker 4: it were, the fact that the Palestinians are victims of
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Speaker 4: this crisis. It's an entirely cynical situation. And in my view,
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Speaker 4: people don't explain sufficiently the extent to which Hammers built
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Speaker 4: themselves militarily inside the Palestinian population so that the Palestinians
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Speaker 4: would suffer massively if they were attacked, and that's just
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Speaker 4: what's happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the death toll, the suffering of their own people
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Speaker 3: is part of their absurd military strategy against Israel. It's
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Speaker 3: horrific and it's one of the many reasons why they
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Speaker 3: need to be removed as the governing body in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: But Sir Richard, I'm intrigued by the comment you just
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Speaker 3: made when you said Iran has a very sophisticated intelligence
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Speaker 3: and they would be looking to infiltrate, They'd be looking
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Speaker 3: for opportunities like this. What do you mean how would
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Speaker 3: that work?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 4: The IRGC, which is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard call is
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Speaker 4: of it's the primary intelligence organization in Iran.
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Speaker 10: Wherever there is.
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Speaker 4: An indigenous Iranian community, they will reach into it. Wherever
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Speaker 4: there are communities that maybe a sympathizers towards the theocracy
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Speaker 4: in Iran. They will be exploiting that situation. And I
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Speaker 4: think there's no question that you know, Australia, it may
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Speaker 4: seem very distant from the Middle East, you know, is
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Speaker 4: to an extent inevitably involved in this situation. So you know,
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Speaker 4: we know, we've seen. I mean, I remember when I
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Speaker 4: was chief. This is way back warning when Alexander down
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Speaker 4: It was Foreign Minister saying to Alexander, look, you know
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Speaker 4: you're not going to avoid this terrorist problem because of
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Speaker 4: you know, the composition of the ethnic composition of your
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Speaker 4: immigrant communities, and they will be influenced, they will be affected,
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Speaker 4: and there will be individuals who will get sucked into terrorism.
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Speaker 4: That's just what's happened. And I think the risk continues,
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Speaker 4: particularly when the background is like the crisis currently in Gaza,
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Speaker 4: which is extreme and you know it's going to influence
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Speaker 4: all of our communities that are affected by the reverberations
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Speaker 4: of this war and this really ghastly conflict.
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Speaker 3: Is your advice therefore, that there needs to be even
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Speaker 3: more rigorous screening of a country's immigration intake from certain
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Speaker 3: parts of the world.
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Speaker 2: So right now, the front line of.
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Speaker 3: A war zone in Gaza where it is controlled by
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Speaker 3: a terrorist regime. Are you saying that there should be
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Speaker 3: much more rigorous security screening or do you think that
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Speaker 3: it's just so difficult to ascertain if there is a
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Speaker 3: security risk that perhaps it's better to pause, which is
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Speaker 3: what our opposition later has suggested here, to pause immigration.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think if I would response for my advice
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Speaker 4: would be the same and to pause it.
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Speaker 10: But look, on the other hand, Aisier is a.
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Speaker 4: Pretty efficient organization that I've been certainly impressed by. You know,
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Speaker 4: it's it knows what it's doing. But I would have
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Speaker 4: thought that they need to be extremely careful in allowing
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Speaker 4: these people in without some sort of security screening, without
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Speaker 4: some investigation as to who's coming in, you know what,
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Speaker 4: where they are, what they're doing, what their connections are.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it just seems to me like very basic issue.
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Speaker 4: And I would have thought, given the terrorist problems that
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Speaker 4: you've had in Australia, you know, which have been notable
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Speaker 4: over that in the last ten to fifty that people
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Speaker 4: should be very very careful about this, you know, otherwise
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Speaker 4: you're going.
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Speaker 10: To important problem which would be difficult.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why it's been one of the biggest
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Speaker 3: political issues, well the biggest political issue of the past
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Speaker 3: fortnite here in Australia in our parliament. But just to
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Speaker 3: clarify to Richard, at the start of that last answer,
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Speaker 3: you said your advice would be to pause.
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Speaker 2: It is that right?
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Speaker 4: If you're not if you can't trace and you can't
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Speaker 4: vet these people before they come in, I would I
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Speaker 4: personally would have advised to wait until one is in
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Speaker 4: the stronger position to do that. I mean, there's so
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Speaker 4: much uncertainty at the moment. But I guess you know
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Speaker 4: what the other side of the argument is as a
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Speaker 4: humanitarian argument, and you've got to balance those two sides.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I come from a security and intelligence background
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Speaker 4: and obviously I would put that as a primary issue.
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Speaker 4: I put the humanitarian issue second. But then others will
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Speaker 4: certainly disagree with me.
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Speaker 3: The head of AZEO, the Director General of AZIO, said
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Speaker 3: two weeks ago, which is what sparked this entire political
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Speaker 3: debate here in Australia. He said that rhetorical support for
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Speaker 3: Hermas would not alone be a reason to exclude someone
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Speaker 3: from Gaza for getting a visa.
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Speaker 2: To enter Australia.
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Speaker 3: So he said rhetorical support for hermas as opposed to
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Speaker 3: ideological support, would not prevent someone from getting a visa
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Speaker 3: to enter Australia.
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Speaker 2: That has sparked a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of confusion and concern in the community. What do you
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Speaker 3: think of a comment like that, that someone could express
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Speaker 3: rhetorical support for a listed terror organization which a muss is,
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Speaker 3: and still be allowed into a country like Australia.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's very hard to make a distinction between rhetorical
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Speaker 4: support and something more profound. Look all of us, you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the UK. You know, we've been shocked
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Speaker 4: by the extent to which there's sort of apparently militant
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Speaker 4: rhetorical support on the streets for Hamas during the hurrying prices,
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Speaker 4: and it's worrying and concerning. And there's no question that
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Speaker 4: amongst that group they're going to be people who I
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Speaker 4: think are radicalized. That's the danger, you know, radicalized individuals.
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Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily suggesting that the Iranians or Hamas are
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Speaker 4: going to import organized terrorist groups into Australia, but there
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Speaker 4: will be low wolves who you know, and I mean
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Speaker 4: that's one of the characteristics of recent terrorist attacks, the
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Speaker 4: active it is. Look at this recent stabbing in Germany.
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Speaker 4: It is clearly a label for tack killing three people
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Speaker 4: in a provincial German city. I mean, that's the sort
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Speaker 4: of problem that is being faced and I think inevitably
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Speaker 4: Australia isn't going to be immune from that. Why should
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Speaker 4: anybody think you're so isolated from that risk? And this
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Speaker 4: is a very volatile period politically, very volatile indeed when
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Speaker 4: one is looking at anything to do with the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Well, that incident you mentioned the German music festival again
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Speaker 3: that it's been reported that Islamic terror was at least
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Speaker 3: the ideology behind that individual.
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Speaker 2: It's also been reported that he was seeking or is
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Speaker 2: seeking refugee status.
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Speaker 3: So you know, do you think of the left are
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Speaker 3: blind to some of these issues that they see a
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Speaker 3: refugee and they can't believe that that person could be
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Speaker 3: influenced or radicalized or driven by ISIS.
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Speaker 4: But we've had a stack of examples across Europe where
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Speaker 4: individuals supposedly genuine refugees have been radicalized and have reacted,
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Speaker 4: you know, in a violent and inexplicable fashion. That's it's
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Speaker 4: a high risk at the moment, and I would have
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Speaker 4: thought that this is a risk that has to be
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Speaker 4: taken account of in protecting, you know, the safety of
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Speaker 4: Juan's citizens, and that applies in Australia as well. I
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Speaker 4: just think it's a very difficult issue, but I would
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Speaker 4: urge caution and I would urge restraint rather than throwing
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Speaker 4: through and throwing open the doors and letting anybody in.
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Speaker 3: All right, So Richard, thank you so much. It's always
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Speaker 3: a pleasure.
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Speaker 2: To hear your insights. Really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 4: Once again, Cherry, very nice talking with you again the best.
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Speaker 2: So that's there.
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Speaker 3: A big intervention in the guys of Visa debate by
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Speaker 3: Sir Richard dear love. Also still coming up on the
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Speaker 3: show a bit later our exclusive interview with Elon Levy.
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Speaker 3: But right now let's bring in our Monday panel Sky
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Speaker 3: News host Steve Price and contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 3: Look, let's have a look at the ozas News poll
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Speaker 3: today on the two party preferred basis. The major parties
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Speaker 3: are neck and neck. The PM's approval ratings have gone
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Speaker 3: down and this is now a consistent trend for the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Steve.
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Speaker 3: These results aren't great for alban Easy.
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Speaker 12: No, they're certainly not, and they're not great for the
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Speaker 12: country either if they are actually reflected during an election,
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Speaker 12: because Shari and Joe, as we know, what that pole
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Speaker 12: tells us is where probably if things don't change, headed
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Speaker 12: for a minority Labor government, where Anthony Albanezi will be
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Speaker 12: forced into doing deals with the Teals and with the Greens.
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Speaker 12: And we discussed this last week and it just doesn't
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Speaker 12: get any better if that happens. Look at the debarkell
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Speaker 12: over this gold mine. We're going to be in all
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Speaker 12: sorts of trouble. I can remember what it was like
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Speaker 12: with Julia Gillard trying to do this and it was
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Speaker 12: a mess.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was indeed, Joe, the newsport did show that
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Speaker 3: the coalition hadn't made in roads in convincing voters that
24:20
Speaker 3: they do a better job fighting the inflation crisis.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, and I think that's very much part
24:25
Speaker 5: of Labour's deliberate strategy. It knows that it's not going
24:28
Speaker 5: to be covering itself in roses or glory in the
24:31
Speaker 5: middle of the cost of living crisis and that people
24:32
Speaker 5: are going to be angry at the government and their
24:34
Speaker 5: only hope, I suppose, is the thinking that they can
24:37
Speaker 5: just make whatever they think of Anthony Albanezi, they dislike
24:41
Speaker 5: Peter Dutton Moore, and I think that's pretty reductive. It's
24:43
Speaker 5: not a lot the sort of politics I like to
24:45
Speaker 5: be played out. But it's clearly it's clearly working. And also,
24:49
Speaker 5: you know, to some extent when you think about, you
24:51
Speaker 5: know the fact that Coalition is criticizing the Labour's cost
24:53
Speaker 5: of living relief. You know, you can define inflation in
24:56
Speaker 5: two different ways, obviously, but in terms of the actual
24:58
Speaker 5: impact on the hip pocket to voters, Labour's cost of
25:02
Speaker 5: living relief is really really important and Peter Dutton and
25:05
Speaker 5: Coalition have already been critical of that, and so they're
25:07
Speaker 5: actually right. If they're going to cut one hundred million
25:10
Speaker 5: bucks worth of relief or savings or wherever it might be,
25:12
Speaker 5: then they are going to get Then they are going
25:15
Speaker 5: to lead people worse off, even if it's better.
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Speaker 11: Off in the long term.
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Speaker 2: It had argument to prosecute, that's for sure.
25:21
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Anthony Alberesi and Chris Bowen are both arguing that
25:25
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's nuclear plan won't work. The OSRA ports that
25:29
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is now arguing the Coalition's plan to build
25:32
Speaker 3: a small modular.
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Speaker 2: Nuclear reactor in Wa.
25:35
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have access to enough water to be able to
25:38
Speaker 3: deliver anything close to the energy the people of Wa need, Steve,
25:44
Speaker 3: But he's then saying that the new clear plan won't
25:48
Speaker 3: produce as much power as coal.
25:51
Speaker 2: But aren't they against coal?
25:55
Speaker 10: They are?
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Speaker 12: And am I the only person who said here today
25:58
Speaker 12: and watched Anthony Alberanesi and Richard mart standing in front
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Speaker 12: of a US nuclear powered submarine telling us how wonderful
26:05
Speaker 12: nuclear projects we're going to be at HMAS Sterling in Wa.
26:10
Speaker 12: How we were going to work with the American Navy.
26:12
Speaker 12: We're going to have nuclear subs in there being serviced
26:16
Speaker 12: and repaired and put back out to see. Isn't that
26:18
Speaker 12: a little ironic that, on the one hand, Anthony obens,
26:21
Speaker 12: you'll fly back to the East Coast tomorrow until everybody, oh, well,
26:25
Speaker 12: nuclear is dreadful, it's dangerous, it's expensive, it's not going
26:28
Speaker 12: to do what you think it's going to do. But
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Speaker 12: you're over there seeing the praises of a nuclear submarine.
26:33
Speaker 12: Can we get the story straight for God's sake?
26:36
Speaker 2: Yeah?
26:36
Speaker 3: And of course you know I brought you that news
26:38
Speaker 3: first about the US submarine on this show a couple
26:40
Speaker 3: of weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: But Joe, that is a contradiction.
26:42
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think certainly a contradiction.
26:44
Speaker 5: If labor is running and sadly a couple of them
26:47
Speaker 5: have running the line that nuclear is untested or unsafe
26:50
Speaker 5: or dangerous or volatile and it can't be trusted.
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Speaker 11: That is idiotic.
26:53
Speaker 5: That is not the case now, and those people who
26:56
Speaker 5: made those stupid social media posts have since been told to.
26:58
Speaker 11: Pull their head in and shut up.
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Speaker 5: I think the only argument that really matters is the
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Speaker 5: economic one. Does the costs of it stack up? And
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Speaker 5: can it be delivered in time to meet Australia's targets?
27:09
Speaker 5: And one of the reactors that they were talking about
27:12
Speaker 5: today I think wasn't.
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Speaker 11: Due to come on till twenty fifty.
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Speaker 5: Clearly that's going to be a bit of a problem
27:15
Speaker 5: when it comes to meeting our twenty thirty five targets now.
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Speaker 3: Victorian library staff have been advised to use gendered language
27:24
Speaker 3: and to check in with children about their preferred pronouns.
27:29
Speaker 3: According to a new guidance toolkit, it'll let a young
27:32
Speaker 3: person in particular know that you're safe, accepting and flexible.
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Speaker 2: Steve, is this even appropriate? To be speaking to children
27:42
Speaker 2: about pronouns. What if their parents aren't happy about that?
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Speaker 12: Of course it's not appropriate. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 12: Rainbow toolkit which was released on Friday by the Allen
27:53
Speaker 12: Labor government in Victoria, and you're going to have librarians
27:57
Speaker 12: hanging lanyards around the necks of five olds to show
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Speaker 12: what gender they identify as. I mean, as a parent,
28:05
Speaker 12: I would not be sending my child anywhere near one
28:07
Speaker 12: of those libraries. I mean, this is just mad, mad stuff.
28:11
Speaker 12: It doesn't surprise mean, the sad thing is Joe and Charry.
28:14
Speaker 12: This doesn't surprise me. This is what the Allen Labor government.
28:18
Speaker 12: You know, it's a harsh left leaning Marxist outfit who
28:21
Speaker 12: want to put labels on everybody. I mean, really seriously,
28:26
Speaker 12: this is a worry, but it does not surprise.
28:28
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know they're saying that it'll
28:31
Speaker 3: make the library a safe place, but doesn't it make
28:34
Speaker 3: the library an unsafe place.
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Speaker 5: I don't know any gender ambiguous five year old who
28:38
Speaker 5: thinks the library is an unsafe place. This is absolutely moronic,
28:41
Speaker 5: and it's not only moronic, but it's actually harmful and counterproductive.
28:44
Speaker 5: At the moment, you've got a campaign on the trans
28:46
Speaker 5: people want to actually be recognized and just voted and
28:48
Speaker 5: counted in the census.
28:51
Speaker 11: What do you think that these sorts of.
28:52
Speaker 5: Campaigns actually do to that legitimate grievance? That legitimate Once,
28:57
Speaker 5: of course it makes people think, oh, they're just trying
28:59
Speaker 5: to indoctrinate. They're trying to get my kids and get
29:01
Speaker 5: them to say that their boys when they're girls, or
29:03
Speaker 5: their girls and they're boys. And it gets parents, that
29:04
Speaker 5: backs up parents alarm, and it is the most counterproductive, stupid,
29:08
Speaker 5: counterintuitive thing that anyone could do. And it's strictly the
29:10
Speaker 5: domain of people who need to get some real problems
29:13
Speaker 5: and get them.
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Speaker 2: Fast, strictly the domain of Victoria.
29:16
Speaker 3: It would seem we feel sorry for you, Steve Price
29:19
Speaker 3: and everyone watching them Victorian with the current government. All right,
29:22
Speaker 3: Steve Price, Johood around, Great to see you both.
29:24
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
29:25
Speaker 3: A big exclusive coming up with Alon Levy his message
29:29
Speaker 3: of hope after the devastating.
29:31
Speaker 2: Murder of six hostages, plus.
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers accuses the RBA of smashing the economy.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that after this quick break. Welcome back.
29:44
Speaker 3: Well, the treasurer is ramping up his rhetoric against the
29:47
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank shifting blame for the faltering economy.
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Speaker 13: Have a look, the combination of global economic uncertainty and
29:57
Speaker 13: higher interest rates is smashing household budgets and slowing our
30:00
Speaker 13: economy considerably.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Judo Bank Chief economist Warren Hogan. Warren,
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Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Look, these comments come ahead of
30:10
Speaker 3: the National account figures that are going to be released
30:13
Speaker 3: on Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: How bad are you expecting they'll.
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Speaker 14: Be, Hi, Sherry, Yeah, Look, they're going to be very soft.
30:20
Speaker 14: In fact, we may see no growth at all in
30:22
Speaker 14: the economy in the three months to June, and the
30:25
Speaker 14: annual rate of growth will be one percent or even
30:27
Speaker 14: a bit weaker. And this is the slowest rate of
30:30
Speaker 14: real economic growth since the early nineteen nineties recession. So
30:35
Speaker 14: this is going to portray an economy with very weak
30:38
Speaker 14: consumer spending, no growth in the construction sector outside of infrastructure,
30:44
Speaker 14: and of course an inflation pulse that's still persistent and
30:50
Speaker 14: hanging around.
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Speaker 3: So a technical recession is two quarters of negative growth,
30:56
Speaker 3: and we don't know what the figures are yet. We'll
30:58
Speaker 3: see the national account figures on Wednesday, But are you
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Speaker 3: expecting this could be the first.
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Speaker 1: It could be.
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Speaker 14: We had some very weak partial data today for income,
31:10
Speaker 14: particularly our non mining profits were soft and mining profits
31:15
Speaker 14: were down quite a lot, So there's every chance we
31:19
Speaker 14: could get a small fall, but I doubt we'll see
31:22
Speaker 14: it replicated in Q three I back to back, and
31:26
Speaker 14: even if we did, it would be a technical recession
31:29
Speaker 14: only we're a long way away from a real recession,
31:32
Speaker 14: a genuine recession, because we're creating so many jobs. There's
31:36
Speaker 14: been three hundred and eighteen thousand jobs created in the
31:38
Speaker 14: first seven.
31:38
Speaker 3: Months of the year, but clearly with the economy softening,
31:42
Speaker 3: a potentially no growth at all, this is the treasure
31:46
Speaker 3: trying to frame the argument, trying to look at who
31:50
Speaker 3: is to blame here. He clearly sees the thirteen interest
31:54
Speaker 3: rate rises that we've had as a reason what he says,
31:58
Speaker 3: it's smashing the economy. So do you see this now
32:01
Speaker 3: as a rift between the government and the IBA on
32:04
Speaker 3: economic strategy or is this more of a political statement
32:07
Speaker 3: from the treasurer.
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Speaker 14: Look, I think this is definitely political strategy, both in
32:14
Speaker 14: terms of this week's numbers and getting ahead of what's
32:17
Speaker 14: going to be a lot of headlines on Wednesday about
32:21
Speaker 14: soft economy, but I think this is what we can
32:24
Speaker 14: expect running right up to the election. They got a
32:26
Speaker 14: lot of a lot of benefit out of getting stuck
32:29
Speaker 14: into fill Low when he was around, and looks like
32:32
Speaker 14: they're about to ramp it up again.
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Speaker 1: On Michelle Bullock.
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Speaker 14: The reality is we're seeing rates come down overseas and
32:38
Speaker 14: we're not going to get rate cuts here.
32:39
Speaker 11: And the RBA's orbit.
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Speaker 14: Said that the government's desperate for a rate cut, of
32:42
Speaker 14: course for political reasons, but the risk is we get
32:45
Speaker 14: a rate hike still. I mean, we hope not, but
32:48
Speaker 14: we have not increased interest rates to a level that
32:52
Speaker 14: we can be confident we're going to get rid of
32:53
Speaker 14: this cost of living crisis exactly.
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Speaker 3: With inflation remaining persistent and sticky, it does seem like
32:59
Speaker 3: a rate might be more likely than a rate cut,
33:02
Speaker 3: certainly for this year at least.
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Speaker 2: Now. This attack, if you.
33:07
Speaker 3: Like, from the Treasurer on the RBA comes comes after
33:12
Speaker 3: the Governor Michelle Bullock blamed the government of keeping inflation
33:16
Speaker 3: sticky by their spending. So in a way, do you
33:19
Speaker 3: think this is a bit of return fire from the Treasurer.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, the governor, or more specifically the senior staff
33:29
Speaker 14: and the forecasters at the RBA, the numbers don't lie.
33:33
Speaker 14: They've got to stick in there, what's going on in
33:35
Speaker 14: this economy. And in the last three months, seeing all
33:38
Speaker 14: the state and federal budgets they've had to see, they've
33:41
Speaker 14: had to increase their forecast for government spending growth go
33:45
Speaker 14: from about two percent to four percent. And of course
33:48
Speaker 14: four percent government spending is a lot more than GDP.
33:52
Speaker 14: And that's this idea that we're putting demand into an
33:54
Speaker 14: economy that can't grow because it's at its full capacity.
33:59
Speaker 14: And that's in and so the government will argue the
34:02
Speaker 14: economy's week, the RBA should.
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Speaker 11: Be considering cuts.
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Speaker 14: The RBA and economists who are focused on this will say,
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Speaker 14: there's a lot of demand in the economy and inflation
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Speaker 14: going anywhere, and that's because government spending growth has been
34:15
Speaker 14: so strong. And of course we're creating jobs, which is
34:18
Speaker 14: great news, but that's new income in the economy and
34:20
Speaker 14: new demand in the economy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then of course there's the immigration levels too.
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Speaker 3: Warren Hogan, always great to hear your analysis.
34:26
Speaker 2: Thank you.
34:28
Speaker 3: Now after the break left wing media bias against Israel,
34:31
Speaker 3: you won't believe how outrageous. It's become Elon Levy would
34:35
Speaker 3: join me for an exclusive interview to discuss.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
34:42
Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 3: The news yesterday was heartbreaking that six young hostages were
34:47
Speaker 3: executed by Hamas, But where has the outrage been about
34:51
Speaker 3: the fact that there are still over one hundred hostages
34:55
Speaker 3: being held captive by terrorists internals in Gaza. Here are
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Speaker 3: constant calls for an immediate cease fire. There's outright bias
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Speaker 3: from most of the left wing media, and it's something
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Speaker 3: my next guest faced daily when he worked as Israel's
35:12
Speaker 3: government spokesman.
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Speaker 16: I was speaking to a hostage negotiator this morning. He
35:17
Speaker 16: made the comparison between the fifty host hostages that her
35:21
Speaker 16: mass has promised promised to release, as opposed to the
35:25
Speaker 16: one hundred and fifty prisoners that are Palestinians that Israel
35:29
Speaker 16: has said that it will release. And he made the
35:32
Speaker 16: comparison between the numbers and the fact that does Israel
35:36
Speaker 16: not think that Palestinian lives are valued as highly as
35:40
Speaker 16: Israeli lives?
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Speaker 1: That is an astonishing accusation.
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Speaker 15: If we could release one prisoner for every one hostage,
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Speaker 15: we would obviously do that. We are operating in horrific circumstances.
35:52
Speaker 15: We're not choosing to release these prisoners who have blood
35:56
Speaker 15: on their hands.
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Speaker 3: Wild and I spoke exclusively about media bias and more
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Speaker 3: with the highly impressive Ailon Levy.
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Speaker 2: Allen lev Great to have you with us.
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Speaker 1: It's good to be here in Australia now.
36:08
Speaker 3: You rose to fame globally because you had the courage
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Speaker 3: to take on left leaning media hosts too, are clearly
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Speaker 3: misrepresenting Israel's position. This was right at the start of
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Speaker 3: the war, right after the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 2: What did you think of this media bias that was
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Speaker 2: just so blatedt I think.
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Speaker 15: It's strategic to see where media bias has led Western
36:30
Speaker 15: countries like Australia. Australia understood when hamasda clared this war
36:34
Speaker 15: that Israel needs to win. People forget this. Australia was
36:37
Speaker 15: gunning for an Israeli victory. The Australian leadership set together
36:40
Speaker 15: with Canada and New Zealand. It wants a ceasefire, but
36:42
Speaker 15: a ceasefire in which hamas lays down its arms and
36:45
Speaker 15: releases all the hostages. Australia was very clear back in
36:48
Speaker 15: December that can be no role for Hamas in the
36:51
Speaker 15: future of Gaza, and I think over time we've seen
36:54
Speaker 15: media so eager to replicate Hamas figures accept Hamas claims
36:59
Speaker 15: without any screen in a way that has soured and
37:02
Speaker 15: poisoned public opinion against Israel and brought us to this
37:05
Speaker 15: position where there is immense international pressure on Israel to
37:09
Speaker 15: leave Hamas on its feet, where we know that leaving
37:12
Speaker 15: Hamas on its feet simply starts the clock ticking towards
37:15
Speaker 15: the next war. Because after the October seventh massacre, Hamas
37:18
Speaker 15: promised it would do it again and again, and Israel
37:21
Speaker 15: vowed that there would be never again. And that's what's
37:23
Speaker 15: at stake in this war. And that's why it's so
37:25
Speaker 15: important when people consume their media to be really critical
37:28
Speaker 15: about the information coming out of Hamas run Gaza, because
37:31
Speaker 15: Hamas has a deliberate strategy, a deliberate strategy of trying
37:35
Speaker 15: to generate human suffering inside Gaza. It's a six strategy
37:39
Speaker 15: to try to generate pressure on Israel to leave it
37:41
Speaker 15: on its feet after the war that it started and
37:44
Speaker 15: that horrific massacre on October seventh.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we hear media outlets and governments around the
37:50
Speaker 3: world say Hamas can have no future role in the
37:54
Speaker 3: governing of Gaza, as you just said.
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Speaker 2: But at the same.
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Speaker 3: Time, more and more they're calling for an immediate ceasefire,
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Speaker 3: often an unconditional ceasefire, but an immediate ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: So how do they think Hamas is.
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Speaker 3: Actually going to be removed as the governing body if
38:08
Speaker 3: there is an immediate ceasefire.
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Speaker 15: I don't know how governments expect Hamas to be removed
38:13
Speaker 15: from power unless Israel removes it from power. Australia back
38:16
Speaker 15: in December said there must be a ceasefire. It can't
38:18
Speaker 15: be unilateral. Hamas must lay down its arms. Hamas then
38:21
Speaker 15: ignored the Government of Australia continue to fight Israel, continue
38:24
Speaker 15: to hold and rape and abuse and starve and torture
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Speaker 15: and execute hostages, and Israel said, we have no choice
38:30
Speaker 15: but to fight to bring down Hamas and to bring
38:32
Speaker 15: back the hostages, because it doesn't care what Australia and.
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Speaker 1: Other governments are saying.
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Speaker 15: In Israel, we want this war to go away, much
38:39
Speaker 15: like the rest of the world, but we understand that
38:41
Speaker 15: we don't have a magic wand and cannot make Hamas
38:43
Speaker 15: go away. If this war ends with Hamas in power
38:46
Speaker 15: and hostages in Gaza. There will be a next time.
38:49
Speaker 15: It will be worse, and it will be worse because
38:52
Speaker 15: the Hamas Army of terror will be convinced that the
38:54
Speaker 15: world will save it from the wars that it started.
38:57
Speaker 15: And by the way, this isn't just a question about Hamas.
39:00
Speaker 15: It's a question about the Iranian regime as well, which
39:03
Speaker 15: is attacking Israel through its proxy armies on seven fronts.
39:07
Speaker 15: It's a question about Russia and China and other countries
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Speaker 15: that are challenging the Western order, and countries like Australia.
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Speaker 1: They are looking at.
39:13
Speaker 15: The Western world and asking do they have the courage
39:16
Speaker 15: of their convictions to stand by their allies and do
39:20
Speaker 15: what they need for their security or are they going
39:22
Speaker 15: to allow themselves to be manipulated by terrorists propaganda into
39:26
Speaker 15: leaving these terrorist armies on their feet after those horrific atrocities.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Hamas can be defeated.
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Speaker 1: Isis was defeated, it was removed from power.
39:36
Speaker 15: People say Hamas is an idea, Well, ISIS is still
39:39
Speaker 15: an idea. But look ISIS is trying to pull off
39:41
Speaker 15: terror attacks in Austria. It no longer controls territory, the
39:45
Speaker 15: size of Austria. Hamas is a terrorist regime. It's a
39:50
Speaker 15: terrorist regime that spent sixteen years in power since Israel
39:54
Speaker 15: withdrew in two thousand and five.
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Speaker 1: Deliberately building a network.
39:58
Speaker 15: Of tunnels ten times longer the Sydney Metro underneath people's
40:02
Speaker 15: homes and schools and hospitals.
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Speaker 2: I still billions of dollars in international.
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Speaker 15: Aid, exactly, billions of dollars of international aid, and the
40:08
Speaker 15: concrete didn't go to people's houses.
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Speaker 1: It went to tunnels underneath people's houses. Aid that went through.
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Speaker 15: Organizations like Honor, to which Australia has doubled its commitment
40:17
Speaker 15: and has been covering up how har mass has been
40:19
Speaker 15: stealing aid and allowing it to operate from inside its facilities.
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Speaker 1: That cannot go on.
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Speaker 3: The Abenezy government actually recommitted funding to ANRA without even
40:27
Speaker 3: waiting for the official investigation to be.
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Speaker 15: Complete, and the official investigation found that at least nine
40:33
Speaker 15: members of Honor took part in the October seventh massacre.
40:37
Speaker 15: We have hostages who came back from Gaza and say
40:40
Speaker 15: that they were held in the homes of HONRA teachers.
40:42
Speaker 15: Now the problem goes so much deeper than simply Honor
40:46
Speaker 15: of staff members taking part in the October seventh massacre.
40:50
Speaker 15: Most of the terrorists who took part in that massacre
40:52
Speaker 15: were Honor graduates, graduates of its school system. Most of
40:55
Speaker 15: the terrorists who took part in October seventh were recipients
40:58
Speaker 15: of Honor AID.
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Speaker 1: It's the fact that HONRA gives.
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Speaker 15: Welfare to people in Gaza that gives them the financial
41:03
Speaker 15: security they need to focus on terrorism. And it's an
41:06
Speaker 15: organization that lets Hamas fight out of its schools and
41:08
Speaker 15: then covers it up.
41:09
Speaker 1: That let's have us still aid and covers it up.
41:12
Speaker 15: And Australian taxpayers need to understand that funding for UNRA
41:15
Speaker 15: is a direct subsidy to Hamas's army of terror and
41:19
Speaker 15: that money is winding up in the coffers of Hamas.
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Speaker 3: I think Australian government should immediately stop funding ANRA.
41:24
Speaker 15: I think with the Australian government, and all governments should
41:26
Speaker 15: stop funding ANRA. This is an organization that exists not
41:30
Speaker 15: to solve our conflict with the Palestinians, but to perpetuate it.
41:33
Speaker 15: Because Honor tells the Palestinians to reject the existence of
41:37
Speaker 15: Israel in any borders whatsoever. It tells them that Israel
41:40
Speaker 15: is illegitimate, that they have a right to resist it,
41:43
Speaker 15: and that fuels future conflict. And we need to bring
41:46
Speaker 15: this conflict to a close and not fuel and finance
41:49
Speaker 15: the Palestinians forever war against the State of Israel. And
41:52
Speaker 15: that is exactly what Honor is doing with Australian taxpayer money.
41:57
Speaker 3: The United Nations has also failed in its various bodies
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Speaker 3: to visit any of the hostages who have some of
42:03
Speaker 3: them now been October.
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Speaker 2: It'll be a year in.
42:06
Speaker 3: Captivity, no visits from any UN agencies, no visits from
42:11
Speaker 3: the Red Cross.
42:11
Speaker 2: What do you think about this?
42:12
Speaker 15: It's worse than the fact that the Red Cross hasn't
42:15
Speaker 15: visited the hostages. These UN agencies haven't shown a modicum
42:19
Speaker 15: of sympathy for the hostages. There are still two child
42:22
Speaker 15: hostages in Gaza, Fear and arilb Bus fair Bibus is
42:26
Speaker 15: a baby, he just turned.
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Speaker 1: One a few months ago.
42:29
Speaker 15: If there were any sympathy, you would expect organizations like
42:32
Speaker 15: UNICEF to be pushing out his image.
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Speaker 1: Raising global awareness about it. But there's absolute silence.
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Speaker 15: I know the hostages families gave up a long time
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Speaker 15: ago and trying to Prussure the Red Cross to visit
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Speaker 15: those families.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we have too.
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Speaker 15: Many of these un agencies that are pushing the Palestinian
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Speaker 15: narrative and have found themselves completely incapable of showing any
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Speaker 15: sympathy for the Israeli victims of the October seventh massacre,
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Speaker 15: or indeed the hostages. Let's remember it's been nearly a year.
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Speaker 15: There are still one hundred and sex hostages. Around thirty
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Speaker 15: five of them we know have been killed executed in
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Speaker 15: the terror dungeons, and the others we fear are being
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Speaker 15: starved and tortured and raped and executed. And according to
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Speaker 15: recent reports being held around Yehia Sinhoar himself, the leader
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Speaker 15: of Hamas, in a horrible tunnel somewhere to be used
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Speaker 15: as human shields.
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Speaker 3: Literally, the hostage is trying to protect him, and we've
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Speaker 3: heard reports that he's trying to say that there'll be
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Speaker 3: no return of hostages if.
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Speaker 2: He is not alive.
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Speaker 3: So he's putting his own personal life front and center,
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Speaker 3: while not caring about the Palestinian.
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Speaker 15: People want this war to end, and Hamas does not
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Speaker 15: want this war to end. Hamas wants this war to
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Speaker 15: continue because the human suffering inside.
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Speaker 1: Gaza is good for it because it's poisoning public opinion
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Speaker 1: against Israel. That is what Hamas wants now.
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Speaker 15: Yehia Sinha, Hamasa's warlord in Gaza, is reportedly demanding personal
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Speaker 15: guarantees for his safety. I spoke to a hostage family
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Speaker 15: this week. Offer me, what are the guarantees for my safety?
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Speaker 15: We want to bring the hostages home, which means we
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Speaker 15: want to bring them home so they can sleep safely
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Speaker 15: in the beds from which they were abducted on October seventh.
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Speaker 15: What are our guarantees that they are going to be safe?
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Speaker 15: And they say, we want the hostages home. But also
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Speaker 15: the Hamas terror regime can no longer be our neighbor
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Speaker 15: because we know that if we're forced to lift next
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Speaker 15: to Hamas, it is only a matter of time until
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Speaker 15: it attacks us again and does another October seventh, or
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Speaker 15: tries to do it just as it has been promising
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Speaker 15: to do every day since that day when it committed
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Speaker 15: those awful acts of burning families alive and those acts
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Speaker 15: of gangrape.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned baby Kafir and his brother Ariel.
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Speaker 2: What hope do you have that they are still alive.
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Speaker 15: Hamas claims that they are dead, but we don't know
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Speaker 15: that for a fact. They released a sick propaganda video,
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Speaker 15: by the way, in which they told their father, who
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Speaker 15: is also a hostage, that his children had been killed,
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Speaker 15: just to watch him break down. And I don't want
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Speaker 15: to imagine what horrible mental condition that poor man is in.
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Speaker 1: But until we know.
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Speaker 15: Otherwise, we have to assume that those two children are alive.
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Speaker 15: And right now in a tunnel somewhere in Gaza is
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Speaker 15: a baby and his five year older brother and their mother,
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Speaker 15: and they are scared for their lives. And little Fear
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Speaker 15: BBus has been a hostage for longer than he was
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Speaker 15: ever free. And how this is not the first thing
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Speaker 15: that people think about when they wake up in the
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Speaker 15: world right now, Look, you have UNICEF right now talking
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Speaker 15: about a polio campaign inside Gaza to vaccinate children. What
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Speaker 15: are their plans to vaccinate fear and arilb Bus? Those
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Speaker 15: are the two most vulnerable, at risk children in Gaza
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Speaker 15: right now.
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Speaker 1: And that is why Israel doesn't have the luxury of.
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Speaker 15: Simply wrapping this up and saying let's pull back and
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Speaker 15: let it be. There are one hundred and seven hostages there,
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Speaker 15: including two children, and Israel has to keep fighting to
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Speaker 15: put pressure on Hamas to let them out. And we
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Speaker 15: need pressure from Australia on Hamas and on its backers
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Speaker 15: on Cuta, Turkey.
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Speaker 1: And Iran to let them go.
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Speaker 3: We need you hear more frequent criticism from the Australian
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Speaker 3: government from the Albaneze government of Israel rather than you
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Speaker 3: do for them calling for the release of the hostages.
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Speaker 3: It's often an afterthought included in commentary rather than the
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Speaker 3: main demand from our government. Look a big political issue
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Speaker 3: in Australia. Over the past few weeks. It has been
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Speaker 3: the center of debate in our Parliament has been over
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Speaker 3: the Australian government issuing nearly three thousand visas to Palestinians
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Speaker 3: coming out of Gaza. What would be the concern from
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Speaker 3: your perspective of bringing in from a terrorist controlled war
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Speaker 3: zone thousands of people, and I should mention they're coming
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Speaker 3: in on visitor visas so often without adequate security checks.
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Speaker 15: I understand the very noble impulse to want to give
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Speaker 15: a safe haven and a refuge for people fleeing a
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Speaker 15: war zone, but Australians need to be a word that
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Speaker 15: Gaza has a very deep extremism problem. Polls still show
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Speaker 15: that a majority of Gazans think that the October seventh
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Speaker 15: massacre was the correct decision by their government Hamas, despite
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Speaker 15: everything that has happened since. A poll by the Doha
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Speaker 15: Institute of Palestinians in the West Bank asked them whether
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Speaker 15: they thought the October seventh massacre was legitimate or illegitimate.
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Speaker 1: Zero percent said that it was illegitimate.
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Speaker 15: Unfortunately, within Gaza, there is widespread support for the barbaric
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Speaker 15: atrocities unleashed on Israeli civilians on October seventh. And if
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Speaker 15: Australia does want to take in refugees, it has to
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Speaker 15: make sure that it has in place a very firm
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Speaker 15: deradicalization program. Two impossible if it is possible us to
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Speaker 15: help wean them off the radical ideology that they were
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Speaker 15: taught by Hamas and by UN schools as well through
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Speaker 15: honer of funding that has taught them to despise the
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Speaker 15: state of Israel, that has ingrained them with deep anti Semitism,
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Speaker 15: deeply deeply ingrained in Gaza. Noble impulse to take in refugees,
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Speaker 15: but you cannot simply pretend that the extremism problem and
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Speaker 15: the support for jihad in Islamic terrorism doesn't exist.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just turning a blind eye to all of
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Speaker 3: this and putting humanitarian concerns above nowtional security, which is
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Speaker 3: a huge problem. Ailon Levy, terrific to have you in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Great to meet you in personal and Alon is here
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Speaker 3: with J and F Australia and our interview was recorded
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Speaker 3: before the news came.
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Speaker 2: Through about the six hostages shot at close range by
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Speaker 2: her Mus.
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Speaker 3: Now after the break of final word from me about
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Speaker 3: how weak Anthony Albinizi is. That's in a minute. Well
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Speaker 3: to end, let's recap the major news on the show
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Speaker 3: tonight that ASIO Director General Mike Burgess has declared that
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Speaker 3: support for her Muss or October seven would pose a
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Speaker 3: national security threat in Australia. We also learned that his
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Speaker 3: view is that people who support a Palestinian state would
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Speaker 3: be welcome in the country, but that any extremist beliefs
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Speaker 3: or material support for her Mus would be a deal breaker.
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Speaker 3: His words a deal breaker. After weeks of confusion, this
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Speaker 3: clarifies his position on the Gaza visa issue and it
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Speaker 3: now puts the pressure on the Prime Minister to come
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Speaker 3: out and say that no Hamas supporters no terrorst supporters.
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Speaker 3: We'll pass the character test for an Australian visa. This
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be something difficult to say. Any support for a barbaric,
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Speaker 3: brutal terrorist organization has no place in our country and.
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Speaker 2: It's a serious national security risk.
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Speaker 3: As Sir Richard Dearlove made clear tonight, alban Ezy should
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Speaker 3: watch Sir Richard's comments before it's too late, before there's
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Speaker 3: a terror attack. Now, if you missed any of this
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Speaker 3: coverage on the show, Sir Richard deal Love's interview is
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Speaker 3: on our website skynews dot com dot au. So are
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Speaker 3: my articles about his interview and Mike Burgess's comments.
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Speaker 2: That he made at a private gathering a few days ago.
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Speaker 3: Now that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow for
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Speaker 3: another big show. But right now, here's the man with
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Speaker 3: the biggest heart on Australian television and the biggest hugs,
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Speaker 3: Paul Murray