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Commanders GM Adam Peters on Breaking Into the NFL, the Belichick Years, Top Golf QB Visit Drama, & Drafting Sonny Styles · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume.
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Speaker 2: What is going on? My people? How are we doing?
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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff Three and Out Podcast, Big Show Today, GM
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Speaker 2: of the Washington Commanders Adam Peters, who has been the
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Speaker 2: GM now he's going into his third year. He started
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Speaker 2: working for Belichick back in three or four, then work
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Speaker 2: with John Elway and Peyton Manning and then Kyle Shanahan
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Speaker 2: and John Lynch. So I had a He's seen some stuff,
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Speaker 2: that's for sure. So we'll talk to him a lot
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Speaker 2: about his career and uh, yeah, you guys know the drill.
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Speaker 2: doesn't make this show and I still want to rant
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Speaker 2: You can check that out as well. I do want
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Speaker 2: to open up and start the show though, before we
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Speaker 2: dive into Adam with something that's been bothering me, and
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Speaker 2: I'm as guilty as anyone. It's easy to get excited.
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Speaker 2: We get to talk about sports. If you notice, most
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Speaker 2: people in politics are always angry, like people covering sports
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Speaker 2: should be enjoying it. It's fun it's not that serious.
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Speaker 2: It's an enjoyable experience. It's fun to bullshit about teams, players, rankings.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of the you know, in a weird way,
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Speaker 2: in a roundabout way, what this whole business was kind
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Speaker 2: of predicated on, to start right, arguing who's better. It's
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Speaker 2: the most basic element of just sports talk, who's a
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Speaker 2: better player. I worked in the NFL. It's no different
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Speaker 2: personnel rank the players one through ten, one through twenty
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Speaker 2: one through fifty, and I think sometimes things get thrown around,
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Speaker 2: and I'm, like I said, I am guilty of this
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Speaker 2: as well. After a game, we do a lot of
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Speaker 2: records Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night, after games, and
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Speaker 2: you're excited, you're worked up, you have an angle, you
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Speaker 2: have a take over what you just saw. And I
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Speaker 2: don't blame people for doing this. And there's not one
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Speaker 2: individual who's guilty of this, but there has been a
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Speaker 2: consistent theme over the course of I don't know the
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Speaker 2: last several months, when I hear Victor Webbin Yama's name
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Speaker 2: was san Antonio that he has a chance to be
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Speaker 2: the greatest player ever. Do you know how crazy it
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Speaker 2: is to say that? Do you know the likelihood that
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Speaker 2: he's going to be better than Michael Jordan or Lebron
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Speaker 2: James is slim. The nune to negative zero, Like it's
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Speaker 2: not happening. And he's a young guy. He's twenty two
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Speaker 2: years old, and he's getting cooked in this series now.
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Speaker 2: In fairness, Karl Anthony Towns number one overall pick has
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Speaker 2: been one of the best offensive bigs in the NBA
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Speaker 2: his entire career, and it feels like he's kind of
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Speaker 2: unlocked some secret sauce and is playing as well as
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Speaker 2: he's ever played just in terms of his impact, but
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Speaker 2: he is. He has beaten Victor wembin Yama like a
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Speaker 2: fucking drum and I just think for the hype train
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Speaker 2: on this guy to be the greatest player of all time.
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Speaker 2: He's an excellent talent. He's seven foot seven, he could
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Speaker 2: shoot threes. He's a great defensive player. But the majority
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Speaker 2: of his offense either shooting threes or catching a lob
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Speaker 2: over some dude that's six', Five like that's the majority
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Speaker 2: of his, offense you. Know so it's, like that's gonna
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Speaker 2: be better Than Michael jordan Or Magic johnson Or Larry
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Speaker 2: bird Or Kobe bryant Or Steph, curry can we pump
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Speaker 2: the fucking? Breaks how about do you think maybe one
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Speaker 2: time he could be a top ten player of all?
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Speaker 2: Time some things we agree on relatively, fast, right Show Hey.
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Speaker 2: Otani it's, Like i've never seen anything like. This, well
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Speaker 2: what do you, mean, boy he's hitting five hundred foot home.
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Speaker 2: Runs he runs like a. Deer oh, yeah and if
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Speaker 2: he actually just, pitched he would be a top three
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Speaker 2: or four pitcher in the big. Leagues and like every
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Speaker 2: once in a while you'll look up it's, like, oh
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Speaker 2: Show io. Pitched oh he hit a home, run he let,
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Speaker 2: off and then he pitched seven innings and he had ten.
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Speaker 2: Ks it's, like, Yeah i'm pretty. SURE i know there's
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Speaker 2: a legendary nostalgia that comes With Babe, ruth but Like
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Speaker 2: i've seen some pictures of the, gut and, UH i
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Speaker 2: feel pretty confident even THOUGH i never saw the babe.
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Speaker 2: Live i'm taking Show hey over The.
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Speaker 1: Babe.
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Speaker 2: Now are there individual better pitchers than Shoe Hey otani
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Speaker 2: over the course of the last fifty?
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Speaker 1: Years?
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Speaker 2: Sure are there individual better hitters Than? Otani, okay there's
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Speaker 2: never been the combination of it both and it's just universally,
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Speaker 2: agreed Even. Mahomes it started getting a little crazy because
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Speaker 2: he had won the third Super, bowl he'd been, to you,
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Speaker 2: know five Super bowls in six. Years like could he Catch?
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Speaker 2: Brady it's, like probably, Not and the answer is, like,
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Speaker 2: no they're not Catching. Brady But kenny established himself as
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Speaker 2: one of the best two or three quarterbacks of all
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Speaker 2: time one hundred. Percent he. Can he already has more
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Speaker 2: Super bowls Than Brett fahr Of Aaron, Rodgers Peyton. Manning
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Speaker 2: he's won away From joe Freaking. Montana all. Right so it's, like,
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Speaker 2: yeah probably never Catching brady in terms of, resume but his,
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Speaker 2: resume if at any, today is better than the majority
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Speaker 2: of the guys that were in the top. Ten but
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Speaker 2: we're still, arguing like, This mahomes the fourth best quarterback
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Speaker 2: of all, time second. Fifth it's an, argument but the,
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Speaker 2: hype but look at what he had to accomplish to
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Speaker 2: get in that. Argument everyone's, like, oh you have victor.
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Speaker 2: Woman yam's got a chance to be the greatest greatest
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Speaker 2: player of all. Time he's got a chance to be
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Speaker 2: the greatest player of all. Time are we're sure the greatest?
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Speaker 2: Player do you think your greatest player of all? Time
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Speaker 2: is gonna look like? That like that, SKINNY i know
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Speaker 2: he's really, skilled uh just in terms of you, know
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Speaker 2: hand eye coordination for a, guy that's. All But i'm
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Speaker 2: pretty confident shorting that. Opinion, Again i'm not trying to
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Speaker 2: shit on the guy because he's getting worked in THE nba.
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Speaker 2: Finals he's twenty two years. Old is he gonna win
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Speaker 2: an end? Championship you would bet? On is he gonna win?
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Speaker 2: Multiple more than? Likely look at his, Team but this, notion,
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Speaker 2: like are sure he's gonna be a top ten player
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Speaker 2: of all? Time can we pump the fucking? Breaks Because
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Speaker 2: i've just seen three guys over the course of the
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Speaker 2: last fifteen twenty, years maybe, four that are clearly TOP i,
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Speaker 2: Mean lebron's a top two or three player of all,
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Speaker 2: Time curry's a top ten to eleven. Player jokic And
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Speaker 2: Kevin durant are top twenty, players like he got a
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Speaker 2: long way to go to be.
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Speaker 3: THAT i mean in terms of their overall skill, set
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Speaker 3: because catching dunks over guys that are six six when
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Speaker 3: you're seven to six is not that.
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Speaker 2: Impressive it's just not and, uh you should be able
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Speaker 2: to do. It it's like you ever played pick up
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Speaker 2: when you're fourteen years old against some of your little
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Speaker 2: brother or younger cousin's friends and they're like, eight it's
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Speaker 2: like big advantage. You SO i just think the hype
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Speaker 2: train on, this AND i get. It THE nba was.
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Speaker 2: Desperate they needed. It then the next along and they
7:00
Speaker 2: didn't even need that hype train because The knicks are
7:03
Speaker 2: just gonna carry the. Day but holy, SHIT i, mean
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Speaker 2: for so, long you, know golf was like next Tiger,
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Speaker 2: Woods next Tiger. Woods, guys there's never gonna be another Tiger.
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Speaker 2: Woods it is never ever. HAPPENING i promise you. That
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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean there won't be other great, players other
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Speaker 2: guys that accomplish a. Lot there is never going to
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Speaker 2: be another Tiger.
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Speaker 1: Woods it ain't, happening you.
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Speaker 2: Know SO i it's just one of those. Things i've
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Speaker 2: heard so many people say, it AND i didn't really
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Speaker 2: pay that much attention to. IT i was, like, oh
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Speaker 2: this guy's got a lot of. Hype but IF i
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Speaker 2: watched those first TWO Nba finals games and A Keem elijah,
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Speaker 2: ONE i, Mean Karl Anthony towns does that to. You
7:46
Speaker 2: no one's allowed to say that for like four more
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Speaker 2: years no one's allowed to utter those. Words let's see
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Speaker 2: the guy accomplish win THE, mvp be the best player
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Speaker 2: in the. World uh, BE i don't, know have an
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Speaker 2: offensive skill set that is more than just dunk and shooting,
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Speaker 2: threes you. Know So i'm not anti the. Guy i'm
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Speaker 2: not just anti him because He's. French seems like a
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Speaker 2: very focused all. IN i admire everything, that by All
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Speaker 2: accountcy stands. For but the hype train behind, Him Holy,
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Speaker 2: the party. Started, okay very. Excited have a Guy i've
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Speaker 2: known for a long. Time, ACTUALLY i think he played
10:40
Speaker 2: football with my cousin way back in the day AT
10:42
Speaker 2: Ucla Nick, amidola back when you know people FORGET ucla
10:47
Speaker 2: in THE i was a big fan in the nineties
10:49
Speaker 2: and early two, thousands was the prominent program in Southern.
10:53
Speaker 2: California and you land a guy Like Adam peters out
10:55
Speaker 2: of junior college to set the. Edge you, know they
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Speaker 2: really knew what they were doing A gm of the.
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Speaker 2: Commanders what's up, man what's?
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Speaker 1: Up? JOHN i think that's when we started getting bad
11:05
Speaker 1: once they started getting guys like. Me but, yeah we
11:10
Speaker 1: were good for a while and then and then not so.
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Speaker 1: Good But Bob chesney's doing a great. JOB i, think you,
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Speaker 1: KNOW i have high hopes for The bruins coming back
11:19
Speaker 1: and getting back to those eighties and nineties when we
11:23
Speaker 1: were the top team in Southern. California but thanks for
11:25
Speaker 1: having me.
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Speaker 2: On, dude IF i would have told you back, then
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Speaker 2: when you had finished playing and started working for the,
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Speaker 2: program that you would be a part of the hiring
11:34
Speaker 2: committee one day later on in your, career in your,
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Speaker 2: forties would you believe?
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Speaker 1: Me, no not one. BIT i didn't know WHAT i
11:42
Speaker 1: was doing back. Then so it's definitely was an honor
11:45
Speaker 1: and it was a cool process to be a part.
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Speaker 1: Of and, like, HONESTLY i don't know if we want
11:50
Speaker 1: to get into this all, day but the second WE
11:53
Speaker 1: i talked To, BOB i was, like we got to
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Speaker 1: hire this. Guy it wasn't even like forget the. Process
11:58
Speaker 1: this is the. Guy and it was really really interesting BECAUSE,
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Speaker 1: i you, Know i've never been a part of a
12:04
Speaker 1: process like, That so it was really cool to be,
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Speaker 1: involved and especially in a place THAT i care so
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Speaker 1: much about AT. Ucla and it sucks because one of
12:14
Speaker 1: my good friends was the coach before, that And DeShawn and,
12:17
Speaker 1: he you, KNOW i don't know that he got the
12:19
Speaker 1: best opportunity, there and so it was a LITTLE i
12:23
Speaker 1: had mixed feelings about doing it BECAUSE i was close With.
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Speaker 1: SHAWN i talked with him a, lot and so to
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Speaker 1: be a part of the process right after they let him,
12:31
Speaker 1: go it definitely wasn't something it was LIKE i definitely
12:35
Speaker 1: wanted to dive. Into BUT i care about the program
12:37
Speaker 1: enough and it was really neat to be a part.
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Speaker 1: Of AND i think we hit a home run With, Bob.
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Speaker 2: So, YEAH i planned on Having bob. On we were
12:45
Speaker 2: supposed to HAVE mam WHEN i was down With colin
12:47
Speaker 2: and the schedules didn't. Match BUT i you, know you
12:50
Speaker 2: guys Have Dan, quinn who really became something For. Seattle
12:53
Speaker 2: so many of these college, guys whether It's, saban Whether Urban,
12:56
Speaker 2: meyer whether it's. Whoever it's pretty rare when you kind of,
13:00
Speaker 2: GUYS i mean even you you, Know Bill, Belichick John,
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Speaker 2: elway this guy did IT i, mean it just doesn't
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Speaker 2: happen anymore when you look at his, resume did not
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Speaker 2: come but it's, like, well, yeah he coached For Kirby
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Speaker 2: smart At. Georgia, no, no, no this Guy's John. Hopkins.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah and that's WHEN i first because they gave
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Speaker 1: me all these different packets of, here here's the guys
13:20
Speaker 1: who were, interviewing AND i saw and, obviously being a college,
13:24
Speaker 1: SCOUT i know all the small, colleges SO i knew
13:27
Speaker 1: where they. Were but IF i, wasn't like what Is Salve?
13:30
Speaker 1: Regina you, KNOW Johns hopkins has a football team and an,
13:33
Speaker 1: assumption and but what you saw every place was an
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Speaker 1: incredible amount of program building and winning every single. Time
13:42
Speaker 1: he's the head coach of all those places, REALLY i
13:44
Speaker 1: mean except for the early, parts but being a head
13:47
Speaker 1: coach for so, long just being able to rebuild those
13:50
Speaker 1: like three different, programs it was extremely. Impressive and then
13:54
Speaker 1: the SECOND i got on the phone with, HIM i knew.
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Speaker 1: Why and you, know that's what we. Needed we needed
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Speaker 1: someone who could bring energy to back to the. Program
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Speaker 1: and he's done. That he's doing a great job in.
14:03
Speaker 1: Recruiting we got to do a better. Job we got
14:06
Speaker 1: to get more. Money that's the name of the game
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Speaker 1: now with college, football as you, got it's. Money so,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately but he's selling the school for what it, is
14:14
Speaker 1: and it's a great. University it's a great, INSTITUTION i
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Speaker 1: mean incredible shape my life and, SHOOT i WISH i
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Speaker 1: could go back there right now and be Like Fan, wilder.
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Speaker 2: WELL i want to get INTO i get so many
14:27
Speaker 2: questions about how do you get into the, business how
14:30
Speaker 2: do you get, started how do you get your foot
14:31
Speaker 2: in the. Door i've always, said like my store is
14:34
Speaker 2: a little like your college football and BACK i mean
14:37
Speaker 2: you're a little older than. Me it did not, exist
14:40
Speaker 2: Like derek ray is THE gm at court for that.
14:43
Speaker 2: Position it was unheard of fifteen twenty years. Ago so
14:48
Speaker 2: you basically just had to like almost do you, know
14:50
Speaker 2: be a coffee runner and it wasn't even a position
14:54
Speaker 2: where now these scouting, DEPARTMENTS i mean you're going into these,
14:56
Speaker 2: Schools is there that much of a difference at all
14:59
Speaker 2: the tops in their scouting departments in your scouting departments
15:03
Speaker 2: in terms of, Staff, yeah now.
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Speaker 1: Where they're getting it's they had more people BECAUSE i
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Speaker 1: think they have more resources to hire or even just
15:13
Speaker 1: have interns. Right so even back before they got him
15:17
Speaker 1: into THE gm era which we're in right, now in college,
15:19
Speaker 1: football like places Like, alabama they had twenty thirty guys
15:23
Speaker 1: just running around there all the time because they have
15:25
Speaker 1: the resources and those bigger schools In, georgia and they
15:28
Speaker 1: had tons of kids running around and working hard in
15:31
Speaker 1: the recruiting. Area and then they started building and making
15:34
Speaker 1: these different titles and. Roles but there is from The
15:38
Speaker 1: alabama's to even just the other powerful conferences which were
15:42
Speaker 1: not powerful back, then but just the lower end Like
15:46
Speaker 1: DIVISION i. SCHOOLS i, mean there was a stark difference
15:49
Speaker 1: from how many guys they had working for. Them and,
15:53
Speaker 1: shoot like you, said WHEN i was, working they didn't
15:55
Speaker 1: have a position for. ME i finished football AND i
15:57
Speaker 1: know what to, do SO i just said any kind
15:59
Speaker 1: of come work For and so like you, SAID i
16:02
Speaker 1: was running, COFFEE i was doing, VIDEO i was doing,
16:04
Speaker 1: RECRUITING i was doing. WHATEVER i was sitting in the
16:06
Speaker 1: coaches meetings breaking down. Tape and BUT i was the only.
16:09
Speaker 1: One you, know NOW i got like forty. Guys it
16:12
Speaker 1: was just, me and they didn't have one before. Then
16:14
Speaker 1: so it's changed, dramatically and it's cool for the sport
16:19
Speaker 1: because you have a lot of people that can who
16:22
Speaker 1: have so much passion for football and love, it and
16:24
Speaker 1: now there's more positions for people to work.
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Speaker 2: In, well that's HOW i got to meet guys like.
16:28
Speaker 2: You you guys would come Through Fresne state and it's just.
16:31
Speaker 2: Me it was just just the coaches And Coach hill AND.
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Speaker 2: Ucla but the difference Of Fresne state and there was no.
16:37
Speaker 2: Difference you, KNOW i would have had the same role AT,
16:40
Speaker 2: ucla where now you, know there's a clear hierarchy at
16:44
Speaker 2: some of these. Places you, KNOW i didn't know, this
16:47
Speaker 2: BUT i knew.
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Speaker 1: It AT.
16:49
Speaker 2: Ucla you got to meet people that were coming. Through
16:52
Speaker 2: but on your wiki page it said that your breakthrough
16:56
Speaker 2: with The patriots was one day That Scott pioli And
16:59
Speaker 2: Jason light came through when your boss was out of
17:01
Speaker 2: town or. Something, yeah and you got to interact with
17:03
Speaker 2: him directly and that led to you to going to
17:05
Speaker 2: that Early patriot.
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Speaker 1: Dynasty, yeah it's it's really it was really. Fortuitous and
17:13
Speaker 1: the Great Randy, taylor who was my, BOSS i don't
17:15
Speaker 1: know if he interacted with him at, all but he
17:17
Speaker 1: was our director of football operations for a while and
17:20
Speaker 1: he was the one who handled the scouts when they
17:22
Speaker 1: came in and he's a great mentor of. MINE i
17:26
Speaker 1: still talk to him to this.
17:27
Speaker 2: Day but.
17:29
Speaker 1: He's he was out of town and so he's, like,
17:32
Speaker 1: hey can you we got some guys coming in from The.
17:34
Speaker 1: Patriots can you just take care of? Him and SO i.
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Speaker 1: Did and if he was out of town the next
17:39
Speaker 1: week or you, know the previous week or, WHATEVER i.
17:41
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't Think i'm sitting. Here and SO i
17:44
Speaker 1: was really lucky to be able to meet with those
17:46
Speaker 1: guys who obviously you Know scott who was basically a
17:49
Speaker 1: general manager for The patriots at the, time and Then
17:52
Speaker 1: jason who's now still a general manager at The bucks
17:55
Speaker 1: and certainly one of the, best if not you, know
17:58
Speaker 1: the count him as one of the BEST gms was
18:00
Speaker 1: in the league for how well he's done. There being
18:03
Speaker 1: able to sit and have lunch with those guys and
18:05
Speaker 1: then stay in, touch and they invited me out to
18:10
Speaker 1: The East West shrine, game which was actually at The
18:12
Speaker 1: Giants San Francisco Giants. Stadium it's kind of where you're
18:14
Speaker 1: playing football. THERE i remember that At Bell. Park, yeah
18:18
Speaker 1: so they had me running and trying to get, interviews
18:20
Speaker 1: AND i remember LIKE i was, Nervous LIKE i was
18:23
Speaker 1: nervous talking to these college, guys like trying to get
18:25
Speaker 1: interviews with. Them i'm like their same age as. Me
18:28
Speaker 1: but for whatever, REASON i just, Like, god this is.
18:30
Speaker 1: Hard BUT i got to meet a lot of people
18:32
Speaker 1: there and they ended up hiring me and my first
18:35
Speaker 1: day of work was at The combine in two thousand and.
18:37
Speaker 1: Three it's.
18:38
Speaker 2: COOL i, REMEMBER i think it was a couple of years,
18:42
Speaker 2: ago maybe When questi got the. Job you had worked
18:45
Speaker 2: with him and you know how he has a, Guy
18:47
Speaker 2: Andrew berry's brother who came back from Like Goldman. Sachs
18:49
Speaker 2: these guys leave college and they started like one hundred
18:53
Speaker 2: and fifty. K now it's a, grind but it's they're
18:56
Speaker 2: making a lot of. Money safe to, say you get
18:58
Speaker 2: your foot in the Door New. England and what Did
19:00
Speaker 2: Dante scarnecci the twenties and twenties or something was it, was.
19:04
Speaker 1: Yeah twenty years, old twenty hours a, day twenty, thousand
19:09
Speaker 1: WHICH i didn't make twenty. THOUSAND i was, eighteen SO
19:13
Speaker 1: i was twenty twenty, eighteen but it was definitely the
19:17
Speaker 1: twenty hours a day, there and, YEAH i, MEAN i always, thought,
19:20
Speaker 1: like what AM i doing? Here like these guys that
19:22
Speaker 1: are working like half as hard as me making a one
19:24
Speaker 1: hundred Grand i'm Making AND i really didn't make that
19:28
Speaker 1: much money for ten, years you, KNOW i didn't even
19:30
Speaker 1: get to that number for ten. Years and it's not
19:34
Speaker 1: as glamorous as it. LOOKS i can tell you that
19:36
Speaker 1: from the, outside but it sure it's.
19:37
Speaker 2: Fun can we describe BECAUSE i think that you know
19:41
Speaker 2: what happened To bill over the last couple of, years
19:43
Speaker 2: BUT i know so many people that worked for, him you,
19:46
Speaker 2: know for the, decade multiple, decades and it was just
19:50
Speaker 2: stuff of like, lore, right like what actually goes on in?
19:53
Speaker 2: THERE i, mean you you work for The patriots when
19:55
Speaker 2: they were Winning Super bowls With Tom. Brady but this
19:58
Speaker 2: isn't you, know the Recent this Is Vrabel, Bruskie, Yeah Charlie,
20:03
Speaker 2: Weiss Romeo, Crenell like what it was, Like, like what
20:06
Speaker 2: was a day like for you back?
20:08
Speaker 1: Then? Yeah it was LIKE i said, earlier day was, long,
20:12
Speaker 1: right and usually it was pretty, scary you, know in
20:15
Speaker 1: terms of all, right don't do, this don't do. That
20:18
Speaker 1: make sure you, know there's a lot of there's expectations
20:22
Speaker 1: were so, high AND i always, say LIKE i, WOULD i.
20:26
Speaker 1: WOULDN'T i wouldn't trade it for the. World first of,
20:28
Speaker 1: all because the level of detail and thoroughness and everything
20:34
Speaker 1: that is expected in that building set the foundation for
20:38
Speaker 1: myself and my career in terms of what what the
20:40
Speaker 1: standards are for me and everywhere we. Go and so
20:44
Speaker 1: while it wasn't always, fun because it wasn't AND i
20:47
Speaker 1: got you, KNOW i don't know if you could swear
20:49
Speaker 1: on this, show BUT i got a, lot a, lot
20:52
Speaker 1: a lot By bill Or Scott, scott mostly Mostly, scott
20:57
Speaker 1: a couple of times By, bill but Mostly. Uh and
21:04
Speaker 1: but it helds you do a really high. Standard and he,
21:06
Speaker 1: understood LIKE i, mean if you were just doing one
21:08
Speaker 1: thing at a, time and it's like you weren't working hard,
21:10
Speaker 1: enough you had to be like doing two or three
21:12
Speaker 1: things at a, time and in order to get all
21:14
Speaker 1: your work. Done and but like you, said you had,
21:18
Speaker 1: ROOM i mean countless head. Coaches i'll probably forget half of.
21:21
Speaker 1: Them be At romeo you Had Charlie, weiss you Had Matt,
21:25
Speaker 1: Patricia Brian, Flores josh. McDaniels i, mean who AM i
21:28
Speaker 1: Forgetting Brian? Dable, Yeah i'm probably missing four or five
21:33
Speaker 1: more and then gms LIKE i, worked you know with
21:36
Speaker 1: a ton of LIKE gm types OR. MONI i worked
21:39
Speaker 1: With Jason. Light Nick cassio was a mentor of. Mine
21:42
Speaker 1: nick Nick asseia is my first roommate as a matter
21:44
Speaker 1: of fact as.
21:46
Speaker 2: Well, yeah so you moved back there and live With Nick? Asseio,
21:50
Speaker 2: yeah it.
21:51
Speaker 1: Was it was so. Cool he is such a cool
21:53
Speaker 1: guy and such a great like great hearted. Person but,
21:56
Speaker 1: somebody LIKE i, said my first day was at The
21:58
Speaker 1: combi AND i AND i walk. In it's the Old
22:01
Speaker 1: Crown plaza and it was. WEIRD i don't know what's going.
22:03
Speaker 1: On and this guy who's a stranger to, me he
22:06
Speaker 1: comes up to me and, says, hey welcome to the.
22:07
Speaker 1: Team It's Nick. Assario he's, like where are you living
22:10
Speaker 1: when you move out? THERE i was, like, DUDE i
22:12
Speaker 1: have no, idea and he, GOES i want to live with.
22:14
Speaker 1: ME i was like, Sure so five hundred bucks all,
22:17
Speaker 1: in you, know, no, no, nothing just straight five hundred
22:20
Speaker 1: bucks a. Month AND i was, In so we live
22:22
Speaker 1: in where do we? Live In Rhode? Island, Lincoln Rhode, Island,
22:27
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rhode island in a two bedroom apartment and so
22:30
Speaker 1: never saw him ever because he's always. WORKING i was always.
22:33
Speaker 1: Working it was like two ships passing in the. Night
22:35
Speaker 1: but that's the kind of guy and he still is
22:38
Speaker 1: to this.
22:39
Speaker 2: Day similar diets you, too Because i've heard his. Diet
22:42
Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty.
22:43
Speaker 1: Dialed, no not even, close LIKE i. Remember still he'll
22:49
Speaker 1: probably kill me for telling this. Story but so we
22:51
Speaker 1: had Pizza fridays Every. Friday that was like actually really.
22:54
Speaker 1: Fun they delivered pizza and there was like the one
22:56
Speaker 1: time where we actually had, fun but it was like an.
22:58
Speaker 1: Hour right then he got back to, work but he
23:01
Speaker 1: had an hour and just everybody's sitting around the draft
23:03
Speaker 1: room eating, pizza telling stories and. Everything And nick never
23:07
Speaker 1: participated because, HE i, mean the guy's diet was like,
23:10
Speaker 1: incredible just. Regimented everything was. Regimented and one day he
23:15
Speaker 1: decides he's gonna have a couple of pieces of pizza
23:17
Speaker 1: and he like passed out because it's the. Body he's
23:20
Speaker 1: like rejecting. It and we had to have like the
23:22
Speaker 1: trainers come. Up but, man HE i, Mean i've never
23:27
Speaker 1: seen a work ethic like. His i've never seen just
23:30
Speaker 1: so much structure and. Everything he could do so many
23:33
Speaker 1: things and such a short amount of, time and it
23:36
Speaker 1: was just a matter of time before he became A
23:38
Speaker 1: gm and a really good, one and so you, KNOW
23:42
Speaker 1: i talked to him all the. Time still he's super
23:43
Speaker 1: helpful and we'll do deals. Together you, know he's we,
23:48
Speaker 1: hired you, know head of medical who's working. There he
23:51
Speaker 1: gave him a great. Recommendation so but, yeah just the
23:55
Speaker 1: relationships and the PEOPLE i worked with during that, TIME
23:57
Speaker 1: i think that's THE i, mean as hard as it,
24:00
Speaker 1: was we all had each, other, right and we all
24:03
Speaker 1: worked together so, well and we were like trauma, bonded
24:07
Speaker 1: if you want to, say in terms of like JUST
24:09
Speaker 1: i still talk to all those guys till.
24:11
Speaker 2: Today, well you, know we talk a lot about like building.
24:14
Speaker 2: CONFIDENCE i don't care what you, do and young, people
24:17
Speaker 2: you get put in, situations whether it's getting hired at
24:20
Speaker 2: a finance firm or getting the opportunity to work For
24:23
Speaker 2: bill Freaking. BELICHICK i would imagine early, on BECAUSE i
24:26
Speaker 2: remember feeling like this With Pat, hill and then again
24:28
Speaker 2: WHEN i went To, philly LIKE i don't know IF
24:30
Speaker 2: i belong. Here this is. Insane, Yeah and you kind
24:34
Speaker 2: of feel like you're getting fired every, day and then
24:35
Speaker 2: the next day comes and everything's, fine so you kind
24:37
Speaker 2: of become numb to just that. Environment but, like was
24:40
Speaker 2: there a specific moment maybe LIKE i did this well
24:44
Speaker 2: and someone says. SOMETHING i don't know if they give
24:45
Speaker 2: out many compliments back In New, england but you were just, Like,
24:48
Speaker 2: Okay i'm gonna make, it because there had to be
24:50
Speaker 2: some times early on when you're, LIKE i don't know
24:53
Speaker 2: If i'm gonna make.
24:54
Speaker 1: It, yeah, yeah there's there's definitely a lot of times
24:57
Speaker 1: WHERE i wasn't gonna make, it you. Know and you
24:59
Speaker 1: know person that really helped me a, lot and she
25:02
Speaker 1: just retired a few weeks ago Was Nancy, meyer and
25:06
Speaker 1: she really you, know you, know every TIME i, thought you,
25:09
Speaker 1: KNOW i wasn't gonna make, it OR i was like
25:11
Speaker 1: this is too much or, WHATEVER i talked To. Nancy
25:13
Speaker 1: she topped me off the. Ledge AND i mean she
25:16
Speaker 1: Was she's a pillar there for fifty years AND i
25:19
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one who she. Helped and she was
25:22
Speaker 1: just like an incredible person who did so many things
25:25
Speaker 1: there behind the scenes that really kept that place. Going
25:28
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of those times that WHERE i
25:30
Speaker 1: didn't THINK i was going to make. It Her Andre
25:32
Speaker 1: tippett was a great resource every TIME i THOUGHT i
25:35
Speaker 1: was going to lose my mind and go See andre,
25:37
Speaker 1: too and he's A hall Of famer but really A
25:39
Speaker 1: hall Of fame person. Too BUT i think probably the
25:44
Speaker 1: first TIME i, Thought, OKAY i have what it takes
25:47
Speaker 1: at least to make it as a scout was WHEN
25:49
Speaker 1: i was an area scout AND i was kind of
25:53
Speaker 1: cheating BECAUSE i was AT. UCLA i WAS i was
25:55
Speaker 1: in The west and SO i was AT ucla AND
25:58
Speaker 1: i had actually Recruited Matt. Slater and when we Signed Matt,
26:03
Speaker 1: slater he was like a receiver SAFETY i had, SURVIED i,
26:06
Speaker 1: think and that first recruiting class WHEN i was working,
26:09
Speaker 1: THERE i got to know, him and so he was
26:12
Speaker 1: a really unknown person and player when he's coming out
26:15
Speaker 1: of a college because all he did is play special.
26:18
Speaker 1: Teams he kind of switched back and forth from offense and,
26:20
Speaker 1: defense but he was like an elite special teams. Player
26:24
Speaker 1: and back then there wasn't a lot of scouts really
26:27
Speaker 1: watching all the special. Teams it watched the, offense the,
26:29
Speaker 1: defense and cut. Out but BECAUSE i knew who he
26:32
Speaker 1: was and knew what he could, DO i, MEAN i
26:34
Speaker 1: watched every single special teams play he had and documented
26:37
Speaker 1: it and did all, that and sure enough we drafted
26:42
Speaker 1: him and drafted him in the fifth, round AND i
26:43
Speaker 1: just felt really, good, Like, okay like IF i do this,
26:46
Speaker 1: work AND i do with all the extra, work AND
26:47
Speaker 1: i make sure That i'm extremely, THOROUGH i could do.
26:50
Speaker 1: This and so that was probably one that sticks in
26:53
Speaker 1: my mind of like staying AT ucla late and watching
26:56
Speaker 1: all the tape and really getting into, it really enjoying.
26:59
Speaker 1: It you. KNOW i mean that one probably told me, That,
27:04
Speaker 1: okay if you do all, this you're gonna be all.
27:06
Speaker 2: Right so IF i fast, forward probably a little under a,
27:10
Speaker 2: decade you're you're one of the main guys For elway
27:12
Speaker 2: and The broncos and those great. Teams and you, know
27:15
Speaker 2: by the TIME. C. J anderson's, retiring he's crediting. YOU
27:19
Speaker 2: i would say safe to. SAY i, MEAN i guess
27:21
Speaker 2: you got there Before elway got, there but you stayed
27:23
Speaker 2: on and moved up your. Confidence by that, time you,
27:27
Speaker 2: know was was pretty well established that you were good
27:30
Speaker 2: at your gig and you could do, it and you
27:32
Speaker 2: BECAME i, MEAN i think it's. UNDERRATED i know at the,
27:35
Speaker 2: end it got a little weird by the time you
27:36
Speaker 2: were in with the forty nine ers For, john those
27:39
Speaker 2: teams WERE i was Doing raider games for. Radio they
27:42
Speaker 2: were elite at every. POSITION i mean you you guys
27:45
Speaker 2: the defensive, line Like Derek wolf And Malik jackson are
27:48
Speaker 2: underrated players because the two edges get all the. CREDIT
27:51
Speaker 2: i mean that every guy on that defense was a dominant.
27:54
Speaker 2: Player so speak to your time working For, john who's
27:58
Speaker 2: obviously just a legendary football. Figure but the confidence wise
28:02
Speaker 2: built from getting screened up By bill And.
28:04
Speaker 1: Scott, yeah AND i don't want to say it wasn't
28:07
Speaker 1: all bad In New. ENGLAND i mean obviously when you're
28:10
Speaker 1: winning like, THAT i, mean, shoot my first two years
28:13
Speaker 1: we won A Super, bowl SO i was, like, ah
28:14
Speaker 1: this is, easy and then didn't didn't get another until
28:17
Speaker 1: we went To. Denver but going To, DENVER i actually
28:20
Speaker 1: went With Matt, russell who's who's a, great great, scout
28:24
Speaker 1: a great, dude and he was with me In New.
28:26
Speaker 1: England got hired as the director of college scouting In,
28:29
Speaker 1: denver and he brought me over and then you, Know
28:32
Speaker 1: josh McDaniels got hired there as a head, Coach SO
28:35
Speaker 1: i Knew, josh so it was a good step for
28:37
Speaker 1: me in moving up because we had so many great
28:40
Speaker 1: people In New, england, like there was no room for
28:42
Speaker 1: me to move. UP i, mean THERE'S gms in front of,
28:44
Speaker 1: Me John, robinson you, know Many austin Fort nick was.
28:47
Speaker 1: THERE i, Mean jason had just come. Back SO i was, like,
28:51
Speaker 1: GOSH i got to find somewhere WHERE i could. Grow
28:54
Speaker 1: and so that's WHY i, left not BECAUSE i totally wanted,
28:57
Speaker 1: to BUT i, thought, maybe you, know that would help,
28:59
Speaker 1: me and so it was a RISK i. Took And
29:02
Speaker 1: matt was really good to take me over there and give, me,
29:05
Speaker 1: uh you, know a really good opportunity to. Grow and
29:09
Speaker 1: Then josh got fired like a year and a half into.
29:11
Speaker 1: That i'm, like oh my, gosh AND i never experienced,
29:13
Speaker 1: That and the whole building is kind of weird when
29:15
Speaker 1: when you're when somebody gets, fired it's really like everybody's
29:18
Speaker 1: on eggshells and what are we going to? Do, Oh
29:21
Speaker 1: we're Hiring John hillway and everybody and everybody's paranoid about
29:24
Speaker 1: that Because john hadn't done anything in, personnel you. KNOW i,
29:28
Speaker 1: mean he's a brilliant guy and a great football, player
29:31
Speaker 1: but he hadn't done anything in. Personnel so people were
29:33
Speaker 1: weird about, that and so we didn't know what to,
29:36
Speaker 1: expect but it ended up being. Great And john incredible,
29:40
Speaker 1: leader h incredible. Listener you, know he he knew what
29:43
Speaker 1: he didn't, know and so he Put matt in charge
29:45
Speaker 1: of the of the personnel and he's, LIKE i don't
29:48
Speaker 1: know how to run a personnel, department BUT i know
29:50
Speaker 1: HOW i know. Football so you run this and then
29:52
Speaker 1: we'll work together and find the. Players and we ended
29:55
Speaker 1: up winning Five big five in a row division titles
29:59
Speaker 1: and it was really really impressive in terms of what
30:03
Speaker 1: the team that he built and how a recipe. Was,
30:05
Speaker 1: obviously we don't Get Peyton manning if we don't Have John.
30:08
Speaker 1: Elway we just. Don't it doesn't have, yeah, right and
30:11
Speaker 1: then you don't Get Emmanuel, sanders or you don't get
30:14
Speaker 1: all these free AGENTS Tj ward to keep to leave.
30:16
Speaker 1: With you, know those guys don't come unless you don't
30:18
Speaker 1: have unless you have somebody Like john in. Charge and
30:21
Speaker 1: then he did a really good job. DRAFTING i Drafted Von,
30:24
Speaker 1: miller which sounds like an easy pick at the time but,
30:27
Speaker 1: now but at the time it. Wasn't you, know he
30:29
Speaker 1: had him And Marcel, darius and he, really you, know
30:33
Speaker 1: did a great job of, like you, know including everybody
30:35
Speaker 1: in that. Process obviously he had to make the decision
30:39
Speaker 1: on his own at the, end BUT i was really
30:41
Speaker 1: impressed with him listening and including everybody in the process
30:45
Speaker 1: and getting all the information and coming up with his own,
30:47
Speaker 1: decision WHICH i. Didn't i've never seen that. Before and
30:50
Speaker 1: just the way he brought us all, together you, know
30:53
Speaker 1: he he brought us all in the, mornings the whole
30:57
Speaker 1: scouting staff could go lift weights with Him John elway
30:59
Speaker 1: in the. Morning so imagine, that you, know you're just
31:01
Speaker 1: sitting there lifting weights With John. Owen after a while
31:05
Speaker 1: you get. Normal but at First i'm just like and
31:09
Speaker 1: then Then i'm PLAYING i played racquetball against them a,
31:14
Speaker 1: lot AND i don't know the guy LIKE i would
31:18
Speaker 1: be beating. Him i'd be you, KNOW i beat him this,
31:20
Speaker 1: time and then he would just turn it. On, man
31:21
Speaker 1: some guys just have. It where he was just, then
31:23
Speaker 1: he just kicked the shit out of. Me and he
31:25
Speaker 1: was like twenty years older than. Me so but being
31:28
Speaker 1: able to see that and see his leadership style and
31:32
Speaker 1: to try to emulate that as much AS i, could
31:35
Speaker 1: Well i'll still be in, myself you, know him And
31:37
Speaker 1: matt that that was really, cool and there's like you,
31:40
Speaker 1: said LIKE i gained, confidence but there's also ups and.
31:42
Speaker 1: Downs you, know there's a ton of ups and downs of, like,
31:44
Speaker 1: OH i Think i'm doing really well and then kind
31:46
Speaker 1: of get knocked on a. Pedestal and so having to
31:49
Speaker 1: figure out the ways to make myself valuable If i'm
31:53
Speaker 1: not really like in the total decision making process was.
31:57
Speaker 1: Cool and so things like getting C. J anderson and, right,
32:00
Speaker 1: like how CAN i help make this team better If
32:02
Speaker 1: i'm not going to be involved right directly in the
32:05
Speaker 1: first couple of rounds of the, draft and so trying
32:08
Speaker 1: to find ways to make myself valuable at the end
32:11
Speaker 1: of the, DRAFT i think was something that it took
32:13
Speaker 1: me a little while to figure, out AND i probably
32:15
Speaker 1: pouted for a little while because it wasn't totally involved
32:18
Speaker 1: in all that. Stuff but that was cool to to
32:20
Speaker 1: kind of grow in that that way.
32:22
Speaker 2: Too so then you had Met lynch through he had come.
32:25
Speaker 2: By he used to sit in the in the personnel,
32:27
Speaker 2: meetings right and L way told, him because they're, close
32:30
Speaker 2: you can take one guy and he takes. You, Yeah
32:33
Speaker 2: and that that had to be your biggest role to,
32:36
Speaker 2: date in most influential role and from a from a personnel,
32:39
Speaker 2: staff you, know when you guys got to The, niners
32:42
Speaker 2: it was pretty. BAD i mean the team was not.
32:43
Speaker 1: Good it was really. Bad.
32:46
Speaker 2: Yeah a couple of years, later you're you're in The
32:48
Speaker 2: Super bowl with the lead Against Patrick. Mahomes SO i,
32:51
Speaker 2: mean uh, Yeah and Now i'm watching a CLIP i you,
32:57
Speaker 2: KNOW i want to get into some of YOUR gm.
32:58
Speaker 2: STUFF i, know you get he has got practice coming,
33:01
Speaker 2: up BUT i watched The Laramie tunzel. Clip at, First i'm,
33:04
Speaker 2: thinking you, know kind Of John Gruden Antonio, brown like
33:07
Speaker 2: where's this thing? Going and then it, says, okay it's pretty.
33:09
Speaker 2: Normal you guys. Negotiating how do you? Learn i'm sure
33:13
Speaker 2: while you're with the forty nine ers you're taking on
33:15
Speaker 2: doing some stuff with agents and, stuff but, like where
33:19
Speaker 2: do you learn to negotiate in your scouting?
33:21
Speaker 1: Career, yeah that's a great, question and you don't unless
33:25
Speaker 1: you have somebody who's willing to help, you you, Know
33:27
Speaker 1: and that that's what was cool about The niners is you,
33:31
Speaker 1: know first Like john was, Incredible lynch was. Incredible One
33:35
Speaker 1: eli is, great and very gracious to let me go
33:37
Speaker 1: and come back home that's Where i'm. From and then
33:41
Speaker 1: Obviously john Empowering lynch empowered me to do a lot
33:44
Speaker 1: of stuff, too and helping him run the personnel, department
33:47
Speaker 1: similar to How elwa Allowed Matt russell to do. That
33:50
Speaker 1: Because John lynch also didn't have a lot of you,
33:53
Speaker 1: know scouting background other than the stuff he did with
33:55
Speaker 1: us In. Denver so you, know he empowered me to
33:59
Speaker 1: do a lot of. Things and we had two people
34:01
Speaker 1: In San francisco that were really influential and the negotiating,
34:05
Speaker 1: part uh Brog, marat who's you, know you, know probably
34:09
Speaker 1: the gold standard and. That and then Then Brian, hampton
34:12
Speaker 1: who's a little you, KNOW i DON'T i don't think
34:15
Speaker 1: people know Who Brian hampton, is but the league. Does
34:17
Speaker 1: And Agent stu and he's an outstanding, negotiator a brilliant.
34:21
Speaker 1: Guy so both of those guys who worked in that
34:24
Speaker 1: really helped, me like teach me how to, negotiate or
34:27
Speaker 1: teach me like, okay Because i'd be so, Gullible i'd
34:30
Speaker 1: get you, know bent over every, time you, know, like
34:32
Speaker 1: oh you're not gonna do, this all, Right i'll give
34:34
Speaker 1: it to, you you, know and so they're, like, no they're.
34:37
Speaker 1: BLUFFING i was, like, no how do you know they're?
34:38
Speaker 1: Bluffing and like they're telling you they're, bluffing so they'd
34:41
Speaker 1: show you the other. Side And i'm not good by
34:43
Speaker 1: any means right. Now please don't think That I'M i
34:46
Speaker 1: Think i've made. It but he was in a. NEGOTIATION i,
34:49
Speaker 1: lost you, know a. Negotiator laramie got me pretty good.
34:52
Speaker 1: Too but but those guys taught, me you know, there
34:56
Speaker 1: it's really. Cool the collaboration In San francisco was something
35:00
Speaker 1: that really impressed, me between you, know salary cap and
35:03
Speaker 1: scouting AND r AND d and analytics and, coaching everybody
35:07
Speaker 1: working together really. Well and that's something THAT i really
35:10
Speaker 1: wanted to take with me WHENEVER i got A gm.
35:12
Speaker 1: Jobs just the collaboration and the whole building working, together not,
35:16
Speaker 1: siloed not you, know competing against each. Other but those
35:20
Speaker 1: were the guys that had a big influence on me
35:21
Speaker 1: to do.
35:22
Speaker 2: THAT i felt, like you, Know i'm three thousand miles.
35:25
Speaker 2: Away but last year when the quarterback thing with the top,
35:28
Speaker 2: golf you took a lot of Shit and is that
35:32
Speaker 2: fair to? Say or we took a.
35:34
Speaker 1: Lot of shit for. THAT i didn't really REALIZE i understand,
35:37
Speaker 1: why AND i still, don't but, yeah we did. It
35:40
Speaker 1: we got a lot of shit for.
35:41
Speaker 2: That so, basically you, know FOR i, mean it's been a,
35:43
Speaker 2: while you took you, know Beside, kleb the group of
35:46
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that were going to get drafted in the first.
35:48
Speaker 2: Round you brought them all in on the same thirty
35:51
Speaker 2: visit and took them all to the top Golf at the.
35:54
Speaker 2: Time you did not know for sure you were Taking.
35:56
Speaker 2: Jayden is it safe to say that WE.
35:59
Speaker 1: I, mean it was like it was pretty darn close
36:01
Speaker 1: to being one hundred, percent you, know but.
36:04
Speaker 2: But you wanted to see them all interact as a group, essentially.
36:07
Speaker 1: Well not, REALLY i think you, know that was that
36:10
Speaker 1: was a result of. IT i, think you, know just
36:14
Speaker 1: seeing how they interact not just with the other, quarterbacks
36:16
Speaker 1: just with the other guys and and really it's it's
36:19
Speaker 1: VERY i don't want to say, convenient but just really
36:22
Speaker 1: helpful for us to do it all on one. Day
36:24
Speaker 1: and we did it In San. Francisco that's so that's
36:26
Speaker 1: something THAT i took To washington. Here BUT i don't
36:31
Speaker 1: MAYBE i didn't, realize like how much publicity it would
36:34
Speaker 1: get because of the. Quarterbacks but we did In San
36:35
Speaker 1: francisco over and over again and it worked. Great you,
36:37
Speaker 1: know you got everybody, together it was relaxed. Atmosphere you
36:40
Speaker 1: got a chance to really they let their guards. Down you,
36:43
Speaker 1: know it's. Fun you're not trying to LIKE i think
36:46
Speaker 1: we people. Thought we thought we were trying to see
36:48
Speaker 1: if they're, competitive or who was going to do this
36:50
Speaker 1: or who was going to do, That but it was
36:52
Speaker 1: really just like it is a fun thing to. Do
36:54
Speaker 1: this is their last day of thirty. Visits let's all have.
36:56
Speaker 1: Fun like that's only three hours of the thirty, visit.
37:00
Speaker 1: Right the rest of, it the guys are in the
37:01
Speaker 1: classroom with the, coaches they're meeting with different. People so
37:04
Speaker 1: that's just a small portion of. It and it's actually
37:06
Speaker 1: the fun portion of it where they all can kind
37:08
Speaker 1: of relax and let their. Guarden and we still do
37:11
Speaker 1: it today and we get a great benefit out of
37:15
Speaker 1: it in terms of getting to know the.
37:16
Speaker 2: Guys so, no no top golf with seven other linebackers
37:20
Speaker 2: in sunny styles this.
37:21
Speaker 1: Year i'm telling you we had an All american team
37:25
Speaker 1: this year Because i'm picking, seven WHICH i don't ever
37:28
Speaker 1: want to be doing. Again but there was one moment
37:30
Speaker 1: WHERE i looked down all the bays AND i, Mean
37:34
Speaker 1: i'm trying to think of who we. Had but you,
37:35
Speaker 1: know he Had Cornel, tate he Had Sunny, Styles Caleb,
37:39
Speaker 1: downs we had All Arvelle, reese we had all those.
37:41
Speaker 1: Guys we Had mansword De, lane we HAD i, mean who.
37:44
Speaker 2: Else you're, right it's the, quarterbacks because that's the top
37:49
Speaker 2: ten of the. Draft no one says a peep we had.
37:51
Speaker 1: It we Had Ruben. BAIN i, Mean i'm telling you
37:54
Speaker 1: we had An all, star like Both All american, teams
37:57
Speaker 1: everything except we had some like later round. Quarterbacks but
38:00
Speaker 1: Like i'm telling, you like we could kick the shit
38:02
Speaker 1: out of anybody with those the. Guys we had a
38:04
Speaker 1: top golf and but, yeah it's not you, know it's.
38:09
Speaker 1: Nothing there's no ulterior. Motive, really it's, just hey, man
38:12
Speaker 1: let's have. Fun let's go like and you see the
38:15
Speaker 1: guys like guys they suck at, golf like suck like
38:18
Speaker 1: them are. Terrible you, Know i've never even picked up
38:20
Speaker 1: a golf. Club but they go out there and they have,
38:22
Speaker 1: fun make fun of each. Other it's it's It's it's
38:24
Speaker 1: a cool interaction that we keep doing until we, don't
38:28
Speaker 1: until we.
38:28
Speaker 2: Can't is it safe to, say, because like you, Said,
38:31
Speaker 2: vaughn not that it was, polarizing but it, was you,
38:34
Speaker 2: Know darius was a high level prospect and some people,
38:37
Speaker 2: thought like a number one overall level. Guy, uh you,
38:40
Speaker 2: know the sunny styles, thing the easiest pick in terms
38:44
Speaker 2: of just a stick and, pick because you probably didn't
38:46
Speaker 2: think he was going to be. There once he's, there
38:48
Speaker 2: probably since Like nick bosat number two when you were
38:50
Speaker 2: with The, niners like that level of like no brainer for, You.
38:53
Speaker 1: YEAH i, think, yeah Definitely nick was. One jaden easy there.
38:59
Speaker 1: Too but then this, one when the draft went the
39:04
Speaker 1: way it, WENT i was REALLY i was really. SURPRISED
39:06
Speaker 1: i MEAN i thought there WAS i thought there was.
39:08
Speaker 1: Four there's there's a lot of places Where sonny could have,
39:10
Speaker 1: gone and once he was the one sitting, there and
39:14
Speaker 1: And Caleb downs is an excellent player, too you, know
39:17
Speaker 1: and that was another player we're definitely. Considering But, SONNY i,
39:20
Speaker 1: mean just the total package of, everything and it was
39:24
Speaker 1: a really easy decision in terms of just the, leadership the,
39:27
Speaker 1: athleticism the, size just that who he was as a
39:31
Speaker 1: person on and off the, field in the locker room
39:34
Speaker 1: on the is JUST i, mean and, man it's fun watching.
39:38
Speaker 1: It right. Now i'm looking to the windows out here
39:40
Speaker 1: seeing what he's doing out. There but he. Is he's
39:43
Speaker 1: a freak, man and he's he's already like one of
39:46
Speaker 1: the hardest workers on our. Team you. Know we had
39:48
Speaker 1: our director at pro scouting was here On, saturday uh
39:52
Speaker 1: taking a walk on the, treadmill and there's one player
39:54
Speaker 1: in the weight room and it's sunny, styles you, know
39:56
Speaker 1: and so all that stuff that we heard about him
39:59
Speaker 1: is true and in. Spades it's really cool to see
40:02
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be a really great player here for
40:04
Speaker 1: a long.
40:04
Speaker 2: TIME i don't want to put you on the spot making,
40:07
Speaker 2: bold you, know proclamations about, players BUT i was told
40:11
Speaker 2: by people in the, league AND i think it's, fair
40:13
Speaker 2: Right Keith, Lee Roquan, smith these were top ten. Linebackers
40:16
Speaker 2: but in terms of a, prospect this guy six,' five
40:19
Speaker 2: two fifty runs a four to THREE or, i mean
40:22
Speaker 2: it's like he's truly one of the best linebacker prospects
40:26
Speaker 2: Of the. INTERNET era, I mean i'm talking about. Coming
40:29
Speaker 2: in i'm not saying what he's going to become IN.
40:31
Speaker 2: The nfl you got to. Prove that but coming out,
40:33
Speaker 2: of college is He's the is he the best linebacker
40:36
Speaker 2: prospect you've?
40:36
Speaker 1: Ever, done gosh it's a. Good question trying to look
40:41
Speaker 1: back AND see I Mean Luke luke keithley was a
40:43
Speaker 1: guy who we THOUGHT was i don't know if we
40:48
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna be as good as, he was but
40:50
Speaker 1: he was. Up THERE but i mean in terms of the, total,
40:52
Speaker 1: PACKAGE yeah, I mean sonny's got a chance to be
40:54
Speaker 1: one of, the best and he. Really does he has
40:56
Speaker 1: every opportunity to, do that and, he's got, you know
40:59
Speaker 1: the the, skill set the mindset to. Do that so,
41:03
Speaker 1: you know obviously you're not we're not, crowning them you know. We're,
41:06
Speaker 1: not yeah we're not put them In the Hall of
41:08
Speaker 1: fame today by. Any means but really excited about what he.
41:13
Speaker 1: Can be and, YOU know, i think, you know sky's.
41:16
Speaker 2: The, LIMIT yeah, i know you got to get out.
41:18
Speaker 2: To practice you got big vacation plans. This summer you
41:21
Speaker 2: can Come. Back california what do you?
41:22
Speaker 1: Guys do you know what. WE don't i don't get
41:24
Speaker 1: Back to. CALIFORNIA enough i feel feel awful. About that
41:27
Speaker 1: we'll be out There With clynton Niners, in october which would.
41:30
Speaker 1: Be good we're Going to we Go to montauk every
41:33
Speaker 1: year and it's like the End Of.
41:35
Speaker 2: Long island, oh, yeah yeah you're living. Well NOW long
41:38
Speaker 2: a long way from being that nineteen thousand dollars you
41:41
Speaker 2: know Grinder from.
41:42
Speaker 1: Bill eighteen it was eighteen that extra thousand when to.
41:45
Speaker 1: Help me but, but yeah that's so that's what. We're
41:49
Speaker 1: doing it'll. Be fun we do that. Every year the
41:51
Speaker 1: girls like, love it they absolutely. Love it they look forward.
41:53
Speaker 1: To itever you have two daughters and so that's. Our
41:56
Speaker 1: thing and, you know everybody has. Their thing, you know
41:59
Speaker 1: everybody as, you know everybody gets the same time off
42:02
Speaker 1: and it's it's really, you know cherished and valued by,
42:06
Speaker 1: everybody here, you know. In football and so that'd. Be
42:10
Speaker 1: Fun but i'm really excited about, this. Team man so,
42:13
Speaker 1: you know we're in. No tas we got, you know
42:15
Speaker 1: three more next week in the. Mini camp but guys were.
42:18
Speaker 1: Working hard we got two. New coordinators so even though
42:21
Speaker 1: it'll be having fun a little bit in, the summer
42:23
Speaker 1: like a lot of one eye on the season and
42:25
Speaker 1: really excited about what.
42:26
Speaker 2: We're doing you start smelling that summer. Heat grass, you
42:30
Speaker 2: know it just smells, like football. Doesn't it, you, know yeah.
42:32
Speaker 1: It does. It's awesome you know what the best smell
42:35
Speaker 1: of grass is. THE rosewall i don't KNOW if i
42:38
Speaker 1: don't know what they do, to it but it smells
42:39
Speaker 1: different than. Anything else we walk out on There and
42:42
Speaker 1: i'll go back there for games or, you know all
42:44
Speaker 1: star games, or WHATEVER and i walk out there and
42:47
Speaker 1: it just brings me back about twenty five.
42:50
Speaker 2: Years, now shit back when you were setting the Edge
42:53
Speaker 2: against oregon and. Making, sure, yeah YEAH when i WAS.
42:56
Speaker 1: When i was getting in garbage Time against cal when
42:59
Speaker 1: we were winning like fifty six, to seven and then
43:01
Speaker 1: that was my time to get in there and get
43:04
Speaker 1: a couple.
43:04
Speaker 2: Of, Stats well i'd say it's all, Worked. Out adam
43:08
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on and enjoy practice and look forward
43:11
Speaker 2: to watching you guys play.
43:12
Speaker 1: This, fall yeah, thanks man thanks for having. Me on
43:15
Speaker 1: i'm glad we. Did, it no it's been, a Minute
43:16
Speaker 1: so i'm glad we finally got a chance to.
43:18
Speaker 2: Do, It Awesome, Thanks Bro.
43:20
Speaker 1: Thanks bake the volume