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#1651 Patrick Throws Me Under The Bus - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment of the
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  Speaker 1: year project. It's been difficult over here. I've been trying
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  Speaker 1: to get a break in the conversation. These two distractions
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  Speaker 1: to my left and right on my screen just wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even let me start the show because they're so chatty.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, TIV, Good morning, Good morning Patrick, Good morning Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: and Fritz.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sorry you ordered his sweet speak now did you?
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  Speaker 2: You're complaining about me talking too much? So I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll have a bit of time out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh look at you being hilarious, just a bit of comedy,
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  Speaker 1: straight up hanging. I just got to go get a
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  Speaker 1: needle and thread to sew up my sides. God, hello, Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Hello Fritz. Why doesn't Fritz talk? He's a dog and
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't understand. He's very cute. Look at that. That's
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  Speaker 1: a fucking lovable face. He seems very stoic. Now I've
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  Speaker 1: figured out what kind of dog. I've narrowed it down
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  Speaker 1: to two dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what are we getting?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 1: See, I feel like it's a no win situation because
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  Speaker 1: whatever dog you say that you're thinking that you might get,
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be people that go no, definitely don't
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  Speaker 1: get one of those, because they'll eat your fucking house
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  Speaker 1: when you're asleep, or you know, they'll dig up your garden,
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  Speaker 1: or or they eat too much, or they die too early,
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  Speaker 1: or they get hip displaysure or so what's see, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't even told I haven't told anyone this, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling the whole world at once. So the first one
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  Speaker 1: is going to be no surprise because I've already had
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  Speaker 1: one golden retriever. The second one, seventy percent of our
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  Speaker 1: audience will go, I don't even know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 1: each three guesses, and if either of you guess it,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you fifty bucks. But tif get off your phone.
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  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to.
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  Speaker 3: I'll try for that breed you talked about. Is it
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  Speaker 3: that breed you talked about the other day that I
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  Speaker 3: won't read?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: Then then you're out, so you straight on my You know,
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  Speaker 4: what about a harrier? Nah, it's a harrier? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: What about an Alaskan melomotor in the ballpark?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Is that going to get twenty five bucks?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, the dog I'm thinking about, but it's like,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a dog. You get lightly like this
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  Speaker 1: dog is a commitment, and that's why I'd probably lean
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  Speaker 1: more towards the Golden Retriever because they're just like me,
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  Speaker 1: fat and lasyer and eat food, fat la Lasian like
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  Speaker 1: cuddles a Belgium Melamoire, which they're they're they're kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a slightly smaller German Shepherd and some say smarter
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  Speaker 1: and better in that kind of highly trainable, fiercely loyal,
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  Speaker 1: and I no, I don't want a big, alpha male dog. Everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I just love them, like I've met a couple and
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  Speaker 1: they're so fucking cool.
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  Speaker 4: It's like black faces. Yeah, gold with a black face.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're like a human, lower maintenance anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but I've got to wait till I finish
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  Speaker 1: my PhD because I just don't have time to like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing I think. And you
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  Speaker 1: both dog owners, but I think if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get a dog, like for me, I want to train
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  Speaker 1: the dog really well and invest the time properly in
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  Speaker 1: the first six twelve months to build a relationship, create
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  Speaker 1: good dynamics, and train that dog in it. Not so
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  Speaker 1: that it's fucking weapon, but just I think it's irresponsible
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  Speaker 1: to have a totally untrained dog, and because they just
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  Speaker 1: don't like because dogs are pack animals, they like being
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  Speaker 1: led as long as they're loved and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But you know so, I feel like, especially if I've
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  Speaker 1: got a Belgium Melamie, I really need to invest some
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  Speaker 1: time into some proper training because if you don't train
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  Speaker 1: some dogs, they're fucking nightmares. But if you train them properly,
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  Speaker 1: they're great. If you're looking at one right.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, And you definitely don't want one of
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  Speaker 3: those untrained.
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  Speaker 5: Do you?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: No terrifying no things.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the guys that I listened to, his
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  Speaker 1: name's Tim Kennedy, is Special Forces x USC. He's got
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  Speaker 1: one and he calls it the fur Missile. So what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing over there, Ti, if you're talking to
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  Speaker 1: your dad?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just popped his head in the studio, Make
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  Speaker 3: Luna for a walk.
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  Speaker 1: Tell everyone what's happening in your world before we get underway,
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  Speaker 1: because it's it's there's lots going.
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  Speaker 5: On, speaking of animals.
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  Speaker 3: I am going to be off on a plane to
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  Speaker 3: India tomorrow, and so my dad flew in yesterday. He
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  Speaker 3: is manning the chaotic house that is bear.
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  Speaker 5: And Lunar HQ. So he's learning the ropes.
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  Speaker 3: He's learning the ropes, and he's getting rap around the
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  Speaker 3: pores of those who run the household here.
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  Speaker 1: Do they love him already? I mean they know him.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday I was in the kitchen and I could just
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  Speaker 3: hear giggling like a schoolgirl. And I snuck my head
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  Speaker 3: around the corner and Dad's on the couch with a
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  Speaker 3: doner on him, with Luna under the doner, with him
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  Speaker 3: smooching him, and he's giggling. And then when they're four
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  Speaker 3: hours after going into hiding, when he first arrived, came out,
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  Speaker 3: next minute she's he's laying under the doner and she's
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  Speaker 3: on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's hilarious. I wonder if I wonder if this
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  Speaker 1: is a probably a dumb question, but maybe not. Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: Do you reckon that that the animals would know that
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  Speaker 1: TIFF's dad is TIFF's dad because there's some smell or
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  Speaker 1: sense or some genetic familiarity.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a really good question, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Like they have like incredible senses.
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  Speaker 2: I think what they would sense is how Tiff feels
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  Speaker 2: about her father, So wow, he comes in and she
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  Speaker 2: is relaxed and loving towards her dad.
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  Speaker 4: That would be what they would sense, is what my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Well, TIFF's dad and Tiff and I had a coffee
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  Speaker 1: yesterday at one forty five, and by about two oh seven,
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  Speaker 1: TIFF's dad was nearly fucking asleep at the table. The
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  Speaker 1: poor old bugger. He was just he hit the wall
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't sleep the night before, and he was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit he was a little bit hyper aware
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  Speaker 1: about ticking all the boxes and going through the airport
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  Speaker 1: and getting everything. Was a little bit worried about some
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  Speaker 1: of that. God bless him.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't a little nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a little bit your conversation too, what maybe
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  Speaker 2: fall asleep?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it was definitely me. That's actually a
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  Speaker 1: good point. I didn't think of that, Maybe because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a boring prick. Yeah, no, thanks for bringing that to
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  Speaker 1: my attention. I was thinking it was a lack of
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  Speaker 1: sleep back in therapy for me. Now, now just quickly, Tiff,
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  Speaker 1: you're heading off to India tomorrow. Yeah, what's the what's
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  Speaker 1: the update? You organized? I know you're not organized, but
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  Speaker 1: where you are?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I started packing yesterday and I realized that I
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  Speaker 3: don't have any India friendly clothes when the description was
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  Speaker 3: loose fitting and cover your shoulders. So I had to
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  Speaker 3: duck out yesterday IVO and get some loose fitting linen
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  Speaker 3: pants and stuff. Yeah, but we've got a tight what
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  Speaker 3: do you call it, baggage allowance, So it's a challenge.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not good at packing. I normally take twenty kilos
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  Speaker 3: for a week in tazzy.
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  Speaker 5: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot early mornings coming up.
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  Speaker 1: And I love your rationale that you told me. You
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  Speaker 1: say about how they wanted you to take all of
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  Speaker 1: these prescription drugs for dysentery and all the potential stomach
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  Speaker 1: ailments that you might you know, and you're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, other people will take them. I'll just use
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  Speaker 1: theirs if I get sick taking. I'm not sure that's
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  Speaker 1: a good plan.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not taking a bunch of prescription medication to
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  Speaker 3: go and sit in the bush and then have all
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  Speaker 3: of us that have no idea go, oh, we should
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  Speaker 3: take this prescription medication that we're not sure what we've
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  Speaker 3: got and we should take it.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: Now, all you do, what you do is you have
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  Speaker 2: it all lined up. You google it and say right,
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  Speaker 2: this is for diarrhea.
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  Speaker 4: This is for this, this is for this.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to read it, just say, okay, there's
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  Speaker 2: my diarrhea tablets. There's my tablets for headaches, there's my tablet.
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  Speaker 1: You know what you can do. You can just take a.
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  Speaker 3: Two week supply of protein bars and eat only that.
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  Speaker 1: The only problem is the water. You know what you
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  Speaker 1: can do is just chat, dear chatters. Okay, here's my situation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the jungle. I'm pooing through the eye of
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  Speaker 1: a needle. These are my drug options. I'm standing by
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  Speaker 1: for directions.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you, though, if you don't rely on
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  Speaker 2: other people's stuff, Because when I went to China for
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  Speaker 2: the first time, my tied cheek group is predominantly older women,
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  Speaker 2: twenty years older than me, so I get mothered the
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  Speaker 2: fair bits.
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  Speaker 4: But we got to the university in a place called.
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  Speaker 2: Bed to Her and there's no coffee, and one lady
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  Speaker 2: has brought those little tea bag type coffee, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Harris coffee that's like in a tea bag.
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  Speaker 4: You reckon, satles, you reckon. She's going to share it
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  Speaker 4: with anybody. Man. She's selling the shit.
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  Speaker 2: People really see people's colors when they're the only one
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  Speaker 2: with an essential drug.
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  Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, perrel watch out hey, speaking of I
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  Speaker 6: don't know this is irrelevant to our general theme of
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  Speaker 6: the show, but fuck it, you'll both find this interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So it was Melissa's birthday yesterday, shout out to Melissa
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  Speaker 1: twenty three, and this is she'll probably kill me for
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  Speaker 1: telling you this, but fuck it. So Melissa has been
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  Speaker 1: Melissa has no drugs. She's never been drunk, she'd never
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  Speaker 1: been high, she never had a sip of alcohol. She
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  Speaker 1: doesn't drink coffee, she doesn't drink tea. But she's jealous
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  Speaker 1: of us coffee drinkers, right because I go, I tell
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  Speaker 1: her how fucking amazing coffee is and that she's missing out,
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  Speaker 1: and just like a good what do you call a
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  Speaker 1: drug dealer, I'm just like trying to get her over
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  Speaker 1: the line.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, anyway, she started drinking coffee purely just for the
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  Speaker 1: cognitive benefits of having some caffeine in her system, because
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  Speaker 1: she works a lot, right, and so by about two
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  Speaker 1: or three pms she sometimes hits the wall. So she's
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  Speaker 1: having like a lunchtime coffee and she hates it. But
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  Speaker 1: she goes and buys a coffee. She thinks it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: It's the worst shit she's ever tasted. So for and
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  Speaker 1: her and I have an arrangement where we don't buy
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  Speaker 1: each other birthday presence. Right, But I heard this thing
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  Speaker 1: advertised on the radio called Wakey, Wakey. Have you heard
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  Speaker 1: of it? I know, I know it sounds like no, Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the second line that you think of either.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: that because I'm not going there on this podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing one episode with no dick jokes.
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  Speaker 2: Right, No, anyway, story is that I'm talking about today?
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  Speaker 2: Have you read my notes?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I have? That's funny. That is funny. But anyway, but
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  Speaker 1: you're opening that door, not me. But anyway, So I
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  Speaker 1: went to the supermarket and I couldn't anyway. They've got
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  Speaker 1: these little they're like Baroka chew tubes full of these
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  Speaker 1: pills or these large tablets and they have the equivalent
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  Speaker 1: of a cup of coffee. Now, not that I'm suggesting
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  Speaker 1: anyone does this, but I thought, well, she's only doing
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  Speaker 1: it for the caffeine, and we're talking about a six
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  Speaker 1: dollar present. So I didn't really buy her anything. But
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  Speaker 1: so I just got her. I haven't given them to
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  Speaker 1: it yet, I'm saying yet, but i'll So I bought
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  Speaker 1: her these things where you can buy them, and it's
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  Speaker 1: orange flavored, no calories, no sugar, So you get a
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  Speaker 1: coffee without having a coffee. So I told her. She's
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  Speaker 1: quite excited.
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  Speaker 4: What about a NI.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's different, that's different altogether, you know, do you know,
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  Speaker 1: like while we're opening this door on nootropics, So nootropics
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  Speaker 1: is cognitive enhancing. So any drug that has a nootropic
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  Speaker 1: effect is a potential cognitive benefit, thinking clearer and sharper
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  Speaker 1: for longer, and even improving IQ for a period of time.
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  Speaker 1: We know that people think that's a joke. Like your IQ,
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  Speaker 1: your functional like you actually fluctuates during the day, right,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously your cognitive performance, just like your energy fluctuates
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  Speaker 1: through the day. So your functional IQ fluctuates through the day,
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  Speaker 1: and your IQ actually improves after you lift weights for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of hours, but it also does with coffee
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  Speaker 1: and nicotine. Patrick is really widely used.
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  Speaker 4: Oh really people think, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, so and again everyone, this is just
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  Speaker 1: a conversation, no recommendation, no prescription, no endorsement. But so
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  Speaker 1: Nicorette two and four milligram chewing gum sells like fucking
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  Speaker 1: hot cakes back in the days when hotcakes sold. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: lots of my friends use that, like at least twenty
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  Speaker 1: of my friends use that, and it's ay. But the
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  Speaker 1: problem is, like with all drugs, if you use it
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  Speaker 1: too much, it doesn't work. If you use it every day,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And so but the odd, the odd
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  Speaker 1: piece of Nicorette seems to be I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 1: a good idea, but it seems to be effective. So
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  Speaker 1: people who let's say they've got they've got a focus
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  Speaker 1: for three or four hours because they've got some big
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  Speaker 1: meeting or something where they've got to be cognitively switched on,
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  Speaker 1: they'll do that. Another one also, another one which is
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  Speaker 1: much safer and also the most research supplement on the
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  Speaker 1: planet is creatine, which I use every day. Creatine and
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  Speaker 1: gladly endorse. Again, it's not a recommendation, but I use.
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  Speaker 1: It's very very it's a naturally occurring thing in the body.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also someone I'll shut up after this, but
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  Speaker 1: some really interesting research that's come out recently for people
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  Speaker 1: who are sleep dep revised a sleep sleep deprived, which
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  Speaker 1: I sound like I'm sleep deprivived. People who are sleep
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  Speaker 1: deprived are using what they call megadoses of like four
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  Speaker 1: or five times and normal things, so like thirty grams
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  Speaker 1: or twenty five grams instead of five as a dose,
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  Speaker 1: and that seems to offset the lack of sleep, which
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  Speaker 1: is not a solution, but it's just something that some
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  Speaker 1: people are doing. So there it is. Patrick.
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  Speaker 4: I was just reading up on creatine.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know much about it, but it says that
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  Speaker 2: it's most often found in seafood and red meat, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, holy crap, I better look for vegan creatine
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not getting any.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you could just I mean, it is
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  Speaker 1: like if everybody's listening. Everybody who's listened to me knows
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  Speaker 1: I never endorse or recommend anything but I but I
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  Speaker 1: can say that I use that and it works. I
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  Speaker 1: can also say that I've had a few nicorette chewing
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  Speaker 1: gums over the years, but I've probably had in my
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  Speaker 1: life ten and I don't smoke. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: not that nicotine is great for you, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not actually the bit of the cigarettes that cause cancer.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I don't. I generally don't use it,
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  Speaker 1: but if I have, if I need something where I've
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  Speaker 1: got to be up and about, I've done that a
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  Speaker 1: few times and it kind of switches on the brain
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  Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, you too, feel so this is a
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  Speaker 1: conversation you too, Yeah, So when I stopped talking, that's
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  Speaker 1: a queue for one of you, two fucking dummies to
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  Speaker 1: start talking.
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  Speaker 4: Well, okay, let me start the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck have you two been on a podcast before, so let.
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  Speaker 4: Me just gas bagging.
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  Speaker 2: You just don't shut up so we can't get a
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  Speaker 2: worded Edgeway, I'm part.
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  Speaker 5: Of the audience. I'm going to leave this whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: The modelogue.
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  Speaker 4: I love this.
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  Speaker 1: Ah fuck, It's true. Even I get sick of me sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't blame you.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't until this podcast that both Tip
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  Speaker 2: and I learned how to fall asleep with our eyes open.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, point taken, I'll be quiet.
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  Speaker 4: I hate that, but it's sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you want, whatever you want, whatever you want, sor right.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry about Matte.
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  Speaker 4: I think I may have offended him. Tiff, She's so
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  Speaker 4: no sympathy at all.
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  Speaker 1: She does give a fuck. I'm just going to say
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  Speaker 1: before you launch on my list of topics that you
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  Speaker 1: sent through, it's always tech ai health Today. Working backwards
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: from the list, I can see tech ai scams cars,
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  Speaker 1: and at the top of the list porn please explain.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that'd get your attention. Look, we don't often
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  Speaker 4: talk about porn, have we. We don't really talk about
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  Speaker 4: porn very often.
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  Speaker 2: So the first thing I can tell you, it's really
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  Speaker 2: funny this story is when I compile my notes. As
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  Speaker 2: you know, I often cheat, and I get one of
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  Speaker 2: my assistants to actually compile the list. So I get
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  Speaker 2: all the emails together and then I get them to
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  Speaker 2: compile it. But the guy who was helping me this
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  Speaker 2: week is seventeen, and I said, oh, don't put that
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  Speaker 2: story in because it's got links. So I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: him to put the porn Hub story in because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want him to click on a link and potentially
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: send him to porn Hub.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So that was kind of So this is the heading
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that I see. Porn Hub colorizes vintage erotic scenes dating
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: back to eighteen ninety six using AI. What a great
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: use of technology.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: So they knew you'd like it now.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: What they did they used one hundred thousand current porn
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: videos to teach AI what porn was, right, wow, yep.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: So they used it to analyze the colorizing. So because
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: this stuff back to the eight ninety six, this titillating
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: pawn because it wouldn't be you know what we're used
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to now. But what they did was they took this
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: vintage footage of erotic scenes, but they trained it on
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: current porn and then they added and colorized it so
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they to get the skin tones and all that sort
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And they're actually seriously remastered this stuff, so
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a remastered film project, and there's a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: ten vintage videos of this erotica and where they weren't
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: able to get any soundtrack that actually dubbed their own,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's seventies paorn soundtrack music.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: There's going to be some very distressed people out there going, hey,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: do you want to see great great great great grandma? Like, firstly,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: why why why are we doing this? Well, it's just
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: one of those because we can things, isn't it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I just look, maybe if they'd used AI to solved
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: can to cure cancer or something might have been a
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: nice idea, but it's porn, isn't it?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Wow, wow, Yeah, so many things I could say, But
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: as I said, I'm going to try and refrain today.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: But I can't say that I'm going to line up
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to Have you seen it?
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: No, I haven't clicked to and looked at it. Probably boring.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Oh what do you mean?
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I didn't want to click.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Why is your voice going so high? Why do you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: sound like a twelve year old soprano all of a sudden?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: No, I just was worried that my If I clicked through,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: then of course it'll leave a cookie on my computer,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and suddenly all the ads will be for things late
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: to the pawn and we'll use my computer, my staff
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: use my computer. I don't want to click on something
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I have. Yeah, it would just be highly inappropriate, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: think to be all.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, if people want to go and find that,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Patrick will send you a link, then the federal police
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: will be out his door at dinner time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, you'll find this interesting because we've
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: had some really interesting, challenging conversations about belief.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Systems, and this blows my mind.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people who believe the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Earth is flat, for example, but there are also conspiracy
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: theorists that you believe, for example, that you know, Man
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: never went to the moon, and there's a whole lot
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: of theories around that. And if you talk to somebody
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: who is a conspiracy theorist, they have quite a number
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of really good rebuttals and arguments to support whatever the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory is. So interestingly, what they've done is they've
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: trained an AI model specifically to be able to argue
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: against conspiracy theories. This is a team up between researchers
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: at the Massachusetts Institute of Technologies at MIT, Cornell, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the American University. So what they did was they they
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: created a chatbot call debunk Bot, and they were able
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: then to sit down I think was over two thousand
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: people and they would fire off their supporting arguments for
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a particular conspiracy theory. But because the AI was able
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: to challenge those questions so quickly, nearly it was well nearly,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: quite a large number of them were actually shown to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: have reconsidered what their conspiracy theory was after sitting through
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: three sessions of talking to the debunk bot. Because you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: when you think about, you know what people belief systems are.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: If I have an argument with you about something, you're
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: usually an expert on that, and so it's very difficult
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to argue against the point that someone is really passionate
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: about and potentially has researched a lot, whereas an AI
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: can snappily get those results so quickly that it can
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: debunk every single one of the arguments that's presented. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: they and even after three months, they found a high
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: percentage of those people were starting to challenge their belief
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: system based on the arguments that they had with this
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: AI chatbot.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's very interesting, and I think it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: all you said, a really good thing or a really
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: interesting thing, and you said that things that people are
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: passionate about, the problem with that passion is that that's emotion.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And so as soon as you're emotional about something, you're
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: not rational or logical necessarily right. And it's the problem
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: with us, all of us, and I mean humans, you
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: may tiff, is that our beliefs are intertwined with our
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: sense of identity. And so it's like when you go
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I am you're making an im statement. You say, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: am a vegan. Well, that's an identity. I am a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Collingwood supporter, I am a Buddhist, I am these I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: am statements. And then so regarding your belief and thinking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: about that particular ideology, philosophy, lifestyle, whatever, Yeah, it makes
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you and I'm the same. It makes you almost unteachable
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: because you believe that you're right. So anything that doesn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: echo what you think is right. So the fact that they,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, did that and they got their responses really interesting.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But also keep in mind that conspiracy theories exist for
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a reason. Like if you think that the government, for example,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: tell you everything, you're an idiot, because they definitely don't,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and for good reason, I would imagine in many instances,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you know. So the fact is that some conspiracies are
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: actually true, a lot of them are not true, you know. Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: so that's interesting. I wonder how long that would last.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Kind of turnaround, Well, this MIT professor, he's the co author,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: guy with the name of David Rand and during his
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: media conference he was saying that one of the reasons
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that AI was really overwhelmingly good is because it was respectful,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it was non conspirat when you think about it, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you brought this up before the emotional side of it,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: because it's not emotional. It was able to get the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: explanations back in what was, you know, a rapid time,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and it was able to tackle every single point, but
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it engaged in what they called critical thinking, providing the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: counter evidence. So there was no question from the other
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: person's perspective. So the conspiracy theorist didn't feel like they
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: were getting a red blooded, passionate other person on the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: other side of the argument, and what they were getting
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: was just factual responses rebutting what they believed in. So
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it is an interesting way of kind of doing it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, they talked about over two thousand adults
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: they had conspiracy theories like the John F. Kennedy assassination,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: alien abductions, the world being flat and around it. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: think around about twenty people were ready to walk away
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: from their beliefs, and another high percentage when shown this evidence,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: showed a really strong sense of reconsidering what it was.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: That they had believed.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So I just thought it was a really interesting use
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of AI and a third of the respondents left saying
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: they were no longer certain of the belief and that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: persisted after two months. So in answer your question, after
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: a two month period that was still their beliefs that
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: they had still challenged that belief I.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Think that a caveat needs to be I think that's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: interesting and I don't disagree with any of that or
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's not valuable. I think it is.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I think there needs to be an asterisk and a caveat,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and that is that. I don't think we should just
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: blindly trust artificial intelligence. I don't think that, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like I saw a post the other day and somebody
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: had said, tell me, can you like somebody was asking chat,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: GPT or one of those AI tools, tell me a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: joke about Jesus and you know, and then it said
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: tell me, and it told them a joke or a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: bunch of jokes about Jesus. And then it said, now
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: tell me some jokes about Muhammad and it said, I can't.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I can't tell religious like it wouldn't right. And there
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: was another one similar, like tell me basically tell me
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a story that makes uh Kamela Harris look, you know, silly,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: or and it wouldn't. But then with Donald Trump it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: would so not everything where it depends on what it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: trained on. By the way, I don't think we should
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: necessarily be telling jokes about Christianity or Islam or Jesus
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: or Muhammad or I don't think so. I'm just saying
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it's just I think it depends on, like not everything
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that it produces is unequivocal truth. It depends on where
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it's getting its source of its information from.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: So the human bias of the programers is what you're saying,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: is also.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent because everything's programmed. Even it's like people
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think science is flawless, it's complete shit, like not sciences,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but that idea, because science is a construct of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: human mind. We created this idea and we go, well,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to test this hypothesis with these protocols. Then
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: we're going to and this is someone who's like running
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: his own research at the moment, And then you get
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the research, then you interpret the data, then you tell
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the world what it means. But the problem is all
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the way along there's human interpretation and every human and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: whether you're a minister or a scientist or an AI creator,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like every single one of those people is still a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: human with bias. And the same with me, Like I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: recognize that when I have these conversations with you, my
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: own bias, and there are times when you're right. No
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and I don't want you to be right
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: because it fucking bothers me. But you're right and I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: am wrong. Right, And this is we need to be
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: able to acknowledge the human condition, and that is I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: am flawed. I look at the window through the world,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: through the Craig window I have. And until you can
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: recognize and realize that, you're going to get a lot
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of shit wrong, and so is AI and so is science,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: then we're all kidding ourselves because we think I know
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the truth, but you don't. But the truth is, I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: think ironically, we don't really fucking know most things. We
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: just think we know.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And science always has a cab yet anyway, that this
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: is a theory, So you know, the theory of relativity,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the theory of gravity. You know, we can display and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: what you know, our best approximation of what we understand
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: gravity to be. But it's still just a theory, you know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And when we talk about some of these, you can't
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: have hard and far fast, one hundred percent proven facts.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So science is always reticent to come out and say
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: this is one hundred percent this, ah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: But science doesn't communicate it like that. You're you're right,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, but you know so. One of the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: most famous fucking frauds of all time was by a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: guy called Ansel Keyes who ran a study. His essential
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: theory was we've spoken about this couple of times on
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we've spoken about it on our show,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but he did a study that involved twenty different countries
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and his theory. Essentially, his hypothesis was that low fat
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: equal low fat eating equals low fat people, and he
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: basically dockted the results. He cut out thirteen of the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: twenty studies, so it went from a twenty country study
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to a seven country study because thirteen of the country's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: data contradicted his hypothesis, so he swept them under the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: academic carpets so people wouldn't know. He tried to hide that,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and it went on and on and on, and the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable truth is that since the incidents and the occurrence
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of low fat eating, there's been a continual rise in
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: all the countries that embraced that philosophy with obesity, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and so low fat, high carb high processed food, which
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is what they kind of in part recommended, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and that was allegedly the best science. So the food pyramid,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that was the science. And now people are many, many,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: many people are kind of going, no, you know, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you and in ten years we're going to be thinking
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: something else. It's a slippery landscape.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, while we're on the topic of AI, I had
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a story I wanted to talk about that I really
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: was adverse to.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I kind of worry about this.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So a few shows ago, I used AI to copy
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: your voice and I did the of the show as
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you saying how good I was. So that should have
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: been an indicator right off the bat that it wasn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: really you.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: But what.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Hell? What are you? What are you so nasty to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: me for today? Why are you picking on me today?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Well? Have you ever? Let's listen to our past episodes.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: What I'm just getting really.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I haven't thrown you under the bus once today.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Today, That's why I'm getting in early.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'll take it. Come on.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: So Audible, which is a subscription service that I really
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: love because I love listening to audio books. They're now
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: doing a limited training service of some of their more
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: popular narrators and getting them to have their voices trained
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: by AI with their permission for them to be able
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to read books using their AI voice. Now they will
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: be getting royalties for it, so they're giving permission. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I kind of thought to myself, look, I kind of
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: feel sad. I love the idea of voice acting, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: some of the best audible books I've heard have been
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: from so talented people. You know, sometimes you get one
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: person who does the entire narration, does character voices, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I love that, and they're usually really talented actors. So
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I thought when I first saw this that it feels
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a bit sad. It feels like for somebody who does
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: do voiceover work. I do on holds, I do voiceovers
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: for corporate video and stuff like that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: And I thought, to myself, this feels a bit sad.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Would I AI my voice and just you know, put
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the script in and just do it that way? What
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: it feels like it's losing humanity. However, one thing that
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: just occurred to me, and it happened this week. James
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Earl Jones passed away. Now, if you could, if I
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: would beg you to think of another voice that is
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: more iconic than James Earl Jones. You know Darth Vadamvasa
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: from The Lion King. He has one of the most iconic,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: beautiful voices you've ever heard. Now, if his family consented
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and they trained an AI model on James Earl Jones,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I'm really warring with this. It's not James Earl Jones,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: but it is James Earl Jones because it's sampled from him.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It's using the nuances of his inflections and tonalities and all.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: That sort of stuff. But is it really him? If
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: he narrates?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's interesting because what if you well, obviously
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's just it's a program using his voice.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: But then but then maybe it is, like you think
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: about if if you didn't know that it was AI created,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: but it was using his voice, you would have the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: same experience as if it was really him. It's the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: knowing that fucks it up, isn't it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's actually a really accurate points. That's interesting.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: It's the knowing that makes it not. But if you
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: didn't know, it's like, remember you were telling was it
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you telling us about the Banksies?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: No?
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: You know the art right? Last episode?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, I know We had that conversation, but I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't remember if you or I started. But you think
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: about like you know it's a Banksye, it's worth two
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. It really is a Banksy, but you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: think it's not. It's worth sixty dollars. It's not about
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the painting, it's about what you think you know. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking another very awesome voice, maybe maybe half a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: rung down Morgan Freeman. He's also right up there, isn't
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he like super voice?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So you know what where my mind went is if
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you were blindfolded and put on a message table, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: have very solh Yes, yes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You've obviously thought about this.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: A bit walked in and gave you a message and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: then I walked out.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You've seen Tip's hands. She looks like a fucking construction worker.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: That's not even a joke. If somebody had to rub
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: my back and ass, I would much rather you, because
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: if you like getting fucking sand blasted, it would.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Be good exfoliation. It's good for your skin.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want a massage from you, Eva, but thank you.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: We're still friends. But I don't want you rubbing my ship.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: But Patrick, maybe with a little bit of en you're
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: in the background, and some fucking some baby oil. Just
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: maybe Fritz licking my toes while Patrick does it. I mean,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I could think of worse things.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I asked, I did notice.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: You you opened the door, and then I come in
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, how did that happen?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You didn't just open the door, dude, You crow bart
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: it and then widened it to make it French doores?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm staying quiet, you to keep going.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I like, look, we're all mindful of AI fakes and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: fake them and all that sort of stuff. But Google,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: now of all companies, is planning to roll out a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: new tech that will identify whether a photo was taken
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: with a camera, edited by software like Photoshop, or produced
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: entirely by a I I think that's actually pretty good
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: when it comes to, you know, being able to debunk
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: fake news, but also knowing that if you were a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: client and you're asking for someone to produce some work
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: for you and they're trying to pass it off as
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: fake and looks so accurate, you could then check that
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: so you know, or if you know, TIFF's got an
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: autographed photo of Craig and she's trying to a thousand
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: bucks on ay and I do it scan and I say,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's not Craig. That's been AI generated
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and the signature is too pixelated. And I'm not going
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to pay any them for that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because that would that'd be a big seller.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: That'd be huge, don't you think though that? Moving forward? Mate,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this is going to be an ongoing thing, like just
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's real. I just thought of something.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You know what we could do?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: We could do autograph photos of the three of us
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: posted onto eBay and then put it out to see
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: who gets the best.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Bit.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like none of them are going to sell that,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: would you too much?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: No, I'll just put Fritz in there. Fritz will sell.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Tiff was telling me that she met someone the other day.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not throwing her under the bus because this is
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: lovely who was nervous to meet her because she because
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Tif's famous.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can understand.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: How did you? How did you feel being famous? Tif?
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: It's so funny, isn't it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It's yep?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I was like that put me on a pedestal because
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I'll fall off and break my leg. I'm not I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: don't belong up there.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know what happens when I stand on pedestals,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: don't we do?
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Emergency?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: That replied, Big Gone, buddy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to do one more AI story because
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: this is a particularly good one, and it's also about
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a painter that I one of their pieces of art
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that I love because it's also associated with a movie
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that I love called The Woman in Gold and good
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Stuff Climped.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: So Good Stuff Climped Austrian painter. A lot of his
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: paintings were lost. They were either stolen or they were
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: and there's a whole group that were actually burnt in
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: a fire. So there was a massive fire when the
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Germans left Vienna. They burnt a lot of buildings.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And what they've done is they've taken black and white
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: photographs of those paintings, then trained an AI model on
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Gustav Climt's style of painting, and then they've been able
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to recolorize the imagery to give us some better understanding
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of what the original painting would have looked like. So
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: are you familiar with the movie The Woman in Gold?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Helen Mirren was in it. It's a phenomenal story. Basically,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it's a true story about the reparation of this painting
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: by Clympt called The Woman in Gold that hung in
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a gallery in Vienna for years. It was kind of
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the Mona Lisa of Vienna, of Austria and the original family.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So that this woman, this woman who lived in New York.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: It was her auntie. The painting was of her auntie
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and it belonged to her family, and it was stolen
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: by the Nazis and then eventually it was you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it was then put on display in Austria, and she
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: fought to get the painting back and it happened. It
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: was amazing. It's a phenomenal. If you haven't seen the film,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it's great. I'll certainly encourage you to see it. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I just think this is an amazing way to restore
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: something that was tragically lost to fire and using this
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: late you know, this really great AI tech to not
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: just recolorize, but to recolorize. So we're not talking porn
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: hub here. We're talking good climped right the whole use
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: your powers for good or evil in this game.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is a good version of our first story.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think that's a better app but I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: wonder then even with that, Like when you get let's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: say you get the kind of the restored artificially AI enhanced,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you know you still know that that's not the original.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, so much of this stuff is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: about like what you think about it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Like, But I've got a production of the Gustaff Climped
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: painting in my home. It's a really large format, it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: almost a meter high, and it looks stunning. It's nowhere
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: near what the original looks like, but it's nice because
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I love the painting and it's great to have a
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: prince of it. When I see it, it makes me think
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: about it. I couldn't you know, I think of, you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: some of the master painters. None of us are ever
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: going to be able to afford h Monte or you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: anything like that. But you know, at least you can
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: appreciate it by having a reproduction of it in some way,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: shape or form.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: We've got a friend of a friend of the You
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: project who's been on a couple of times, my friend
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Dylan Dylan Key's art. You follow him, don't you tip?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, and I think.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to be famous one days. He's
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a big deal on Planet Craig. I love him. Dylan
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Key's art, go and follow him and he does the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: most incredible charcoal stuff. But what's interesting is, like he
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: does you know, a lot of a lot of animals
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's so good.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Wow, I'm looking at it now.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't believe that this motherfucker drew that. I'm like,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: how did you with charcoal? And but what's interesting is
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you can buy, by the way, if you buy an original,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think you can still buy original for a grand
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: or fifteen hundred or I don't know whatever. Like, but
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: when I first met him, like he was doing all
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: this incredible stuff and he only had a two or
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: three hundred followers, and I saw his stuff and I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: reached out and went, hey, your shit's awesome. You should
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: be famous or something like that. And then we connected
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and we spoke, and then he got a little bit
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: more of a following. So I think he's up to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: like three or four thousand followers or something on install
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: or something. But my long winded point is you can
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: buy one of his originals for still what I think
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: is really cheap. You can by he does these incredible
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: prints which are pretty much indistinguishable from the original and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that's like one hundred bucks. And I think it's so funny,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: like you would somebody would have to tell you that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: this is a print, that's how good they are. He
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: sent me one, and I didn't know that if it
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was print or like, I didn't know, and I'm like, wow,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: this is fucking amazing. But yeah, then you go, well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you could get the like some things which are worth
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a million bucks, and then you could get a phenomenal
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: print that to look at from a few meters away,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: would know, but for the average punter, like I look
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: at stuff, you go wow, I wonder if you get
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the same joy. I wonder if it does the same
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: thing to your emotions and your body, if it's a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: print versus something real, if perceptually it's identical.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: My cousin is a artist who does the cartoons for
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the Times Malta, So he lives in Europe and he
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: does their weekly cartoon and he's got a great portfolio,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and I've got about five of his pieces of work now.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I actually I've only ever bought one original and that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: was to give away as a gift.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: But the other stuff.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: My favorite print of his is called Imbeciles of Frontier,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: so it's Imbeciles without Borders, and it's got all the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: world leaders and a big banner over the top and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: one of the guys standing behind the other guys doing
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: a you know, the rabbit years behind him and all that.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: It's a cute.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's a really beautiful framed print, but it is just
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: a print. And I think the original had already sold anyway,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: so I couldn't have bought the original. But it still
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: gives me that same reaction, and everybody who comes to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: my house who sees.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: It really loves it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It's just so wonderfully drawn and it's really detailed, you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: when I was looking at the stuff that you're just
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: talking about. Now, people obviously can't see it, but it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they are indistinguishable from a black and white photo. There's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: soap and so people who can, you know, meticulously create
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: beautiful art. I can say it's amazing, but sometimes you
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: can't afford the original, but it's nice to have a reproduction.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I think it still gives you that warm fuzzies, don't
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you what do you reckon?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Tiff?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well? Oh sorry god, Tiff?
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's interesting. It's all about the
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: context of what someone appreciates, because I was just thinking
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: in my head, someone doesn't appreciate someone's the story of
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: someone drawing it. What's the difference between getting a copy
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: of the print that was his reference photo because they
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: look exactly the same. But the idea is you appreciate
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: someone's gift, and you appreciate telling the people that come
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: to your house and go, oh, that's a nice print.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You go, oh, that's drawn by Dylan Keyes. Have a
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: look what this guy does.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Hmmm.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I saw this guy drawing. He was a street artist
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: as a video and he was drawing with his feet
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: because you've got no arm. And I mean I'm not saying, oh,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: gee's art was good for a bloke drawing with his foot.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: His art was just phenomenal, I mean amazing. And then
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: on top of that, I'm like, this bloke's doing this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: with his foot. I could have all the bloody training
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and like education and resources and I couldn't do anything
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: but one tenth of that. And then so the art
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: all on the side of the art is amazing. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: then you think how the art was created to me
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that time's at by one hundred, and I go, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: would love some of that guy's art, you know, just
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: because of the story that accompanies it as well.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: You know, every year, my mum used to subscribe to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: a Christmas card bundle from artists without hands, and I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: vividly remember that she would there would get these gorgeous
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Christmas cards she would send all our family and it
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: was specifically from artists who weren't paid in traditionally their hands,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: some with their mouths.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: That that'll my mind. That's yeah, isn't that great?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: The talent knows no bounds, and disability isn't always a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: hindrance to creativity.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent, one hundred percent coup going champ.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, this is I thought you might find this an
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: interesting story because I know you like tech, but you
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: also like old tech. You like an analogue display on
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: your motorbike, not a digital display, would I be right?
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Correct? Yeah?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So in the United States there's a massive push at
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the moment, and it's actually gone to the House Committee.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: They're talking about forcing manufacturers to put AM radios.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Back in cars.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, because new cars don't have AM radios.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: They are only digital services and streaming services. And the
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: thing they're saying is you've got to put AM radios
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: back in cars, and you're not allowed to make it
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: a subscription service because of course some manufacturers and I
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: know Elin Musks been a little bit criticized for this.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: If you buy one of his cars, you can then
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: upgrade just by buying a subscription, so the physical vehicle
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't change, you're just subscribing to extra features, and so
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: that's how they're upselling people these days. They're actually not
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: just selling the car.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: They're saying, yes, you can buy the AXE, but if
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: you want to have the sharpened version, you've got to
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: buy a subscription. So the reasoning or the rationale behind
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the AM radio though, is that AM travels a lot
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: further than FM or DATA. I mean we're talking much, much,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: much greater range because it's about the way that the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: wave is generated. So that's called vertical polarization and horizontal
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: polarizing waves, and that's how the sound waves generated, but
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the radio waves are generated. So this is interesting though
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to put a lot of pressure on
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: car makers to have the AM range so that if
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: there's a national disaster or an emergency, they broadcast using AM.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: So for example, here in Australia, if there's bushfires, if
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you're tuning into an FM signal, you don't have the
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: range that you will on an AM signal. And it
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense when you start to think
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: about it in those terms, because we recently this week,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: we had no cell phone coverage, We had no mobile phones,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: so the second I stepped out of my house, my
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: phone was useless. I couldn't get Internet and I couldn't
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: make or receive phone calls. So the only way you
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: could make and receive calls was if you were in
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: a Wi Fi hotspot, So that.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Was a real challenge for a lot of people in town.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: They were doing upgrades that were getting rid of three
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: G going to the five G towers, but it meant
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that anybody who was using the Telstra towers was effectively
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: without a device.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: So if there's a bushfire and you're trying to tune
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: in to.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Find out the latest information, you may not have phone coverage,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: you may not have data, and which case AM may
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: be the only way to get a really distant signal
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and be able to get an update on an emergency situation.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I love it, good AM station mate. I think they're
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: going the way of the Dodo. But I tune into
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: SCN in the mornings, Melbourne's home of Sport and Garry
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and timbang on. Yeah that's interesting. Hey, can I share
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: some tech with you that you might not know? You
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: might know it? Yeah, right, So this is hot off
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the presses. Elon Musk's neural link device blind Site gets
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: FDA approval FDA Breakthrough Device designation. Blind Site is an
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: experiment mental implant aimed at restoring vision in people who
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: have lost sight in both eyes, even for people who
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: are born blind. Elon Musk's Brain computer interface implant startup
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: neural Link as received FDA Breakthrough Approval designation for blind
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Site and implant that restores vision. So it implants a
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: microelectrode array into the visual cortex of a person's brain,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: then activates neurons, which provides the individuals with an image.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I read about it yesterday and said, at like, right now,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it's giving people like a grainy view of the world,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: but eventually it's going to be way better than twenty
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: twenty human vision and give you a capacity to see
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: infrared as well.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Wows seeing in the dark.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: A good friend of mine, he went progressively blind in
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: his late teenage years. He's a mad car fanatic and
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: he actually has a couple of collectible cars. He still
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: is a car enthusiast, so even though he's now blind
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: fully blind, he's very passionate about cars. And for him
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to have suddenly lost the ability to drive in his
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: late teens, well early twenties, so he still drove a
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: little bit and then actually got progressively blind, this would
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: be amazing for him to be able to get out
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: on the road again or be able to appreciate his
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: collection of cars. I think for peace, people who are
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: vision impaired from birth, they see the world in such
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: a different way in terms of augmented senses that have
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: made up for their lack of vision. Whereas somebody has
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: lost vision because of older age or potentially because of
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: an accident. You can see there'd be massive, a massive
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: jump to try to do this. I wonder whether somebody
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: who's been vision impaired, and I've got some friends who
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: have been vision impaired from birth as well, and I'd
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: love to ask them whether or not they would want
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: to get sight.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: It's a really interesting one, isn't it.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I never thought of that That is a great question.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That is because I just thought, oh, of course, but
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: then maybe.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Not that is bias because we can see one.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Hundred I saw this documentary on this guy. You know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: obviously black bat's a blind Patrick tell people, I'm sure
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you know how they navigate the world. So nar, yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: echo location, sonar? Yeah yeah, yeah. So so this guy
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: taught this blind dude taught himself echo location.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: So he may slight dish like these noises and depending
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: on how quickly it comes back to him, and he
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: could navigate the world with his own version of sonar
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I guess or echo location that he developed, and he
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: would know when things were in front of him that
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: like nobody had told him. But yeah, because he developed
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: this unbelievable almost like extra sense.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Can I just debunk one little statement you just made
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: sure that's not actually blind. They do have small eyes,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they have a little bit of vision. They're very sensitive vision,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: but it's actually sensitive to being able to see at
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: night as well. But they're not I mean, the term
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: blind is a bat. I know we use a lot,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: so they don't have very good site, but they're not
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: actually blind.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, all right, So the site the vision impaired.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Well not necessarily they're not. It's not sharp, colorful vision
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. So they don't see like you do.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I'm vision impaired if you look at my face.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: But the echo location, they're much better at that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: So I guess when they're flying, particularly at night, if
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: they can use their echo location to see a rat
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: or a mouse.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Or something and be able to swoop down.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Hell do they do? They? I don't know, all right,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: black bats are not blind, just vision impaired.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Well that's subjective.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Not at night at night that's going to outperform you
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: hands wings down?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But is that is that with eyes or echo location both?
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna I'm going to do a deep
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: dive in today. No not so, I don't have time next.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: You know, give us some advice. I liked the advice thing.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: You know, we should ask people if they want me
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: to kind of look up stuff for them at any point.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Uh, happily have a chat.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, batteries in your laptops, so the life of the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: battery in your laptop can be compromised if you plug
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: it in continuously all the time, which is what I do,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and I forget to unplug it. So one of the
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: things that we've now found with improving the longevity of
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: standard batteries is not to discharge them by one hundred
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: percent and not to charge them to one hundred percent.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: And in fact, I believe Tesla's and a lot of
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: electric car manufacturers, when you plug them into charge, they
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: try to charge to say about eighty five ninety percent.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: They don't ever go full to one hundred. So it's
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: only occasionally that you would do the part of me
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that you would do that. And so just a bit
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: of advice. So when you're looking at you know the
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: way that you use battery power. I mean, for a
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: lot of us, I guess we keep out. I mean
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I work off allaptop a lot. Sitting here right now,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I'm off the laptop, but I have a desktop machine.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: But the longevity of the battery will be really be
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: dictated by how we use it. So for good battery health.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And this is not just laptops, it's smartphones, anything that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: uses a battery, scooters, you name it. But don't plug
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it in and leave it plugged in overnight. I know
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: we do it with our phones all the time. Phone
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: manufacturers are getting better at regulating battery charging so that
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: they don't damage the battery, and they have some really
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: good tech built into some of the newer phones. But yeah,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: so they're saying, you know, don't keep your laptop plugged
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: in or tablet or whatever it happens to be. So
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I just thought i'd throw that one out there. If
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: you want to try to impress.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Are you saying I shouldn't plug my phone in overnight
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and leave it all night.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Well that's what they say. Yeah, you shouldn't leave it
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: on all night. You should charge it and then take
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: it off charge. Don't leave it plugged in overnight, so
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: before you go to bed.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: So Mom's got setting and it only and it only
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: charges to eighty percent. So I leave it in overnight,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: but it only evers.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, some of the smartest.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Settings on your laptop. When I had my laptop.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Setup, I had a guy set up and he was
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: he did all that clever stuff.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so fully charging and fully discharging puts the battery
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: under a lot more stress, and that's thought to shorten
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: its live but we're not.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: We're talking about.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: A massive increase in the duration of the life of
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: the battery. If you try to avoid doing that, so
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you will get a lot longer out of the battery
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: if you do that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: And listen.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Once upon a time, remember we used to be able
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to change the batteries in our phones. We just swap
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: them over, and then of course we don't do that now,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: so we need to be more mindful about how we
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: do that and how we charge and discharge so that
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: we're not, you know, not damaging the battery.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: So not one hundred percent, not zero percent. There you
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: go somewhere in.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Betaatrick, did you, Oh, you don't have an iPhone? You
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: have a Samsung? Do you?
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I've got a pixel, Google Pixel.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: So I just updated because I'm I'm a dummy with
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: tech obviously, but I updated. Is it iOS eighteen or seventeen,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: tifth the latest or you know eighteen? So I just
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: updated to iOS eighteen on my iPhone fourteen. But what's
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: interesting is I was having a look at I was
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: having a listen to the start of a podcast the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: other day. I can't remember one of ours? Or are
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: you project one? And now with a new update, you
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: open it up and the text as you're talking, like
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: right now, if somebody's listening to this on an iPhone
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and you've got the update. You can go in and
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: it gives the whole text of the whole show in
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: real time as you're talking. It scrolls up the screen
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: with so no.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Typeost I've had that.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I've had that built into my phone for about five years.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: It's great that I haven't.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I know you haven't.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: They probably had an event.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: It's not your job to bring me down every time
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I just mentioned something.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you some pro Apple stories then,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: because they did have a big look Lunch event recently.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: And I've got to say, there are two little things
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: that did pique my interest in knowing that you're an
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Apple person. The new AirPods that are coming up are
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: coming out. I actually have a hearing test built into them,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: so you can test your own hearing using the new
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Apple AirPods. I thought that was pretty good. And the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: other thing that is really good that you're probably going
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to need Crago.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Is if that's about five, you could put.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Your Apple Watch on and it will detect sleep apnear.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: So why would I have sleep AP Now I'm fucking
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: lean and healthy. What do you think because I'm old,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to sound like a walrus when I sleep.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: People with diagnosed sleep APNE right now are like, yeah,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: not lean.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Email what he puts the podcast on himself to sleep? Well?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people who are overweight have sleep
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: ap there.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: That's Trotye who's overweight. Thank you. That is in there
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: for all our listeners.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Well, and also not everyone who's got sleep APNA is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: out of shape. Of course guys should have clarified that
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: at the start. But why would you assume I wouldn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: need it, but you are tears? Wouldn't like what's behind that?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Look, he's very old. You are older than us though,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: and it does tend to come age, doesn't it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Now you're being agist. I can't talk about Parker now.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm getting gaged up on
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: my own show.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: You gotta kind of are no, But I think, well,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I was just doing a pro Apple story. This is
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: me doing a pro Apple story. I thought you'd be interested.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not pro Apple though, I'm not anything. I just
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: happen to have an iPhone. In fact, Melissa hates my laptop.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I've got a what do you call non Apple? Like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I've just got an old school piece. I've just got
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a laptop fucking that she thinks is a piece of shit,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm used to it, so I won't change it.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Probably is a piece of shit. Give us one more
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: to wind up, just something, no pressure, just something.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Amazing photovoltaic cells. How's that?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Good?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you'd like carry on. No, this is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: really interesting because for those of us.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have an old when I subscribe to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Time magazine about thirty years ago, I got a free
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: calculator with a solar panel in it, and I've never
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: had to charge that bugger up for thirty years. You
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: sit it out anywhere inside, you don't have to be outside,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: just any ambient light, and that bugger works. And I've
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: always thought to myself, why the hell don't we have
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: other stuff that we can use indoors. Well, finally, a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: new tech startup in Wogga Wogger is going to be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the first Australian company to produce a new type of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: solar cell and they're saying it'll be able to generate
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: enough electricity just indoors and eventually get rid of disposable
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: batteries so you remote control anything that you use. Indoors
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Potentially could be run off this new photo voltaic cell.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: That is that is actually a really good story because
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: that I'd never thought of that. But those little kind
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: of solar powered calculators. I used to have one and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: they were they are great, So yeah, why can't they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: do that with all the you know, the stuff that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: we use in the house.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Well, things like keyboards need to be connected constantly, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: bearing in mind, a calculator uses similar tif to your
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: tablet uses it kind of an e ink. Liquid crystal
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: displays don't take much power to power to have them
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: come up. But you know, these days, a lot of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: the technology we use just takes more power. It's not
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: it needs something a bit more robust than a standard
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Betric battery. But I think it's kind of really cool.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's called Hallo cell, and they reckon they're going to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: start producing seven centimeter long photovoltaic to generate enough power
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: to replace a pair of disposable batteries in a TV remote,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: or so the charging cable for a set of headphones.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: You could build a wind farm in your backyard, mate,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you've got.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Enough space, well not even the backyard, I just have
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: it indoors. I've got a pretty big house, and.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: You produce a lot of wind, so you should be
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: able to run the whole fucking house. Patrick. Where can
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: people connect with you? My friend?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: No one's going to want to connect with me after
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: this show.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Here they are, yeah, they are. We love you even
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: though you threw me under the bus, and I apparently
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: throw you under the bus a lot so.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: It didn't just run over you reversed about four time.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just go to websites noow dot com
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: TODAYU is probably the easiest way.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: To find me. So websites now to com today you.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: But if you want to send a message and get
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: us to talk about something on the next show, I'd
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: love to hear from people if there's something in particular,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: if you've condoleing, if you need to send some messages
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: of support, because it's.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Probably are going to go fuck Craig. He doesn't need it,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: and you're right, I don't. Well, I think that's a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: good idea. Why don't we do the entire next show
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: off listener requests so they can do two places. One
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: is email, you say your email again.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I'll just go to websites now, dot com, tod au.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: You can fill out the form there and send something
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: through to me. It'll come straight directly through to me,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: or you.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Can go tother you project Facebook page, you project podcast
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Facebook page. Say this is for Patrick, and leave you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a question or your idea for a bit of research
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: or an exploration of a topic, and next time will
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: be a completely listener generated and directed discussion.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: It seems like a lot of work for me.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of work for one of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: your underlings. You said, by the way, it was your
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: suggestion fucking thirty seconds ago.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: I think, all I'm just now nervous.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: You make a suggestion and then you go, oh my god,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of work for me. We don't fucking
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: raise it.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: What happens if we do a whole one hour show
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: on one topic, Well we won't.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: That little asked it out.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we need to put in some rules. I was
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: talking to Tiff last night, right, I fucked up earlier
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: this week. I know we're finished, but I'm running a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: mentoring group and I kind of I've got about seventeen
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: people in the group, and I kind of forgot we're
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: running through and I've forgot to say at the start,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: just keep it to two or three minutes. Each of you,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and I thought we'd get through the whole group. Bit
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: of a debrief on the week. It was my fault.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it clear, so nobody's at fault. But
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: let's just say that we got through about seven people
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: in an hour, and I thought we'd get through the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: whole group in about forty minutes. So I think with
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the topics for yours, will dedicate you know, kind of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: three or four minutes to each topic or question, then
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to get through twenty or so.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds really good. I'm in for that.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Go for it websites now dot com, dot au or
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: the new project Facebook page.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Tiff. Good luck, you don't need luck, but have fun
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: on the have fun on the sojourn, enjoy your time
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: in India. Thanks uh, and good luck trying to find
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: a coffee and drugs for when you're puoing through the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I of a needle. And stay hydrated, but care for
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: what you drink.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, stay hydrated, but don't drink the water.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck with that, We'll say goodbye, fair but Patrick,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: thank you, TIF, thank you, listeners, thank you