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Episode #3945 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive January 2004 · The World of Phil Hendrie

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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to another Radio Archive Hour from the Radio
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Phil Henry Show and our website philhenryshow.com.
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  Speaker 1: Dean Wheeler comes to us from January of 2004. Dean's
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  Speaker 1: a weirdo, as you know. He was in jail in
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, but he eventually recuperated and got himself together,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, and started a holistic center in Northern California.
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  Speaker 2: But he's just a mess.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is talking in the month of January 2004
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  Speaker 1: to get kids to bug their parents to vote for
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  Speaker 1: Howard Dean because that's who Dean is. is voting for himself.
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  Speaker 2: You said that who?
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  Speaker 1: I know what I said, okay? That who, that's who
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  Speaker 1: Dean is voting for himself.
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  Speaker 2: George Bush's war machine?
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly what it is, Phil. The Bush war
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  Speaker 3: machine continues to roll on, and the media may have
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  Speaker 3: drummed Howard Dean out of this race, but we are
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  Speaker 3: still going to keep Howard uppermost in our mind. We
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  Speaker 3: think there's great momentum.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it is possible that... Otherwise, many more children, Phil,
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  Speaker 3: and I think this is really the bottom line of
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  Speaker 3: what we're saying, many more children are going to die
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  Speaker 3: in Iraq before the elections, and if we can save
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  Speaker 3: just one of them by stopping the George Bush war machine....
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so, Dean, you know, what about Kerry? If you
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  Speaker 4: want a guy who's against George Bush.
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  Speaker 3: John Kerry is a war criminal who had a hand
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  Speaker 3: in the slaughter of Vietnamese women and children. I... I
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  Speaker 3: don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that is a strong assessment. But I will tell
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  Speaker 4: you this much. Your boy Dean, well, he's not my boy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Mean disrespect, but he's not going to be nominated.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think our alternative solutions retreat, Phil. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to middle schools. We're going to junior schools. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to junior high schools. I mean, we're going to high schools.
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  Speaker 3: And these are kids who can understand what we're handing
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  Speaker 3: out to them.
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  Speaker 4: Now, you're handing out a picture, and I have it
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  Speaker 4: right here, that is without a doubt one of the
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  Speaker 4: most horrific things I have ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to explain it, Phil.
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  Speaker 2: All right, but first of all, I want to tell
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  Speaker 2: people what it is, okay?
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  Speaker 4: It's of a dead child killed by, you claim, an
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  Speaker 4: American mortar or a bomb blast of some kind.
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  Speaker 2: With the words above the picture, George Bush did this.
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  Speaker 4: Now, how can you in good conscience give something like
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  Speaker 4: this to a minor child?
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  Speaker 3: Let me interrupt you, Phil, first. And I understand what
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  Speaker 3: you're saying, and I have two sons of my own,
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  Speaker 3: so please understand. I recognize the concern of the people
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  Speaker 3: listening to you and of your own. And believe me,
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  Speaker 3: I know. But the George Bush war machine can only
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  Speaker 3: be slowed down by regular people. If the middle school
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  Speaker 3: kids and the high school kids that we're handing this
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  Speaker 3: picture to see it and begin to become emotional and
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  Speaker 3: even hysterical in front of their parents because of the picture.
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  Speaker 3: It drives the message home to the parents of how
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  Speaker 3: right I am and what a horror this war is
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  Speaker 3: and how much we need Howard Dean in the White House.
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  Speaker 2: You're giving the kids a.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, we're talking here with Dean Wheeler from
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  Speaker 4: the Northern California Alternative Solutions Retreat.
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  Speaker 2: This picture of.
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  Speaker 4: This is a child that has been obviously terribly maimed
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  Speaker 4: by this bomb. You're giving kids this picture... that's a
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  Speaker 4: baby basically blown apart with the words George Bush did
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  Speaker 4: this above it so that they'll cry in front of
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  Speaker 4: their parents and then the parents will want to get
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  Speaker 4: George Bush.
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  Speaker 2: Out of the White House.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I didn't want to do this, but people,
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  Speaker 3: believe me, Phil, you're thinking I caused this and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't cause this. People making fun of Howard Dean caused this.
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  Speaker 3: People laughing at Howard Dean and saying he sounded like,
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  Speaker 3: I heard someone say he sounded like.
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  Speaker 3: He sounded like Winston Churchill's old fag.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I heard.
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  Speaker 3: And once somebody said he sounded like a fag hag
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  Speaker 3: and this kind of thing because the man got emotional.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so people made fun of Howard Dean's scream.
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  Speaker 4: You're saying forced you into giving kids a picture of
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  Speaker 4: an Iraqi baby murdered.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is... I think that's giving up responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: Phil, the other night when they made me angry, and
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  Speaker 3: it made me resolve to myself, and my wife Terry
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  Speaker 3: was there, that we get Bush out of the White
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  Speaker 3: House and we get Howard Dean, and if that means
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  Speaker 3: showing children blown to bits by a bomb, then that's
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  Speaker 3: what it's going to take.
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  Speaker 4: What if showing that child, what if showing a kid
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  Speaker 4: that makes them traumatized, what if that hurts the kid
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  Speaker 4: you're showing?
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  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, Dean?
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  Speaker 3: In other words, I think the kids today, they're going
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  Speaker 3: to cry. They're not going to be traumatized. These are
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  Speaker 3: kids who have grown up on Grand Theft Auto, and
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  Speaker 3: they've seen their fathers sexually abuse their sisters. It will
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  Speaker 3: make them sad, but they'll get over it.
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  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686, 1-800-449-8686. I'm talking here with Dean Wheeler
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  Speaker 4: from the Northern California Alternative Solutions Retreat. They're doing handouts
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  Speaker 4: in northern and southern California and in parts of the
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  Speaker 4: East Coast and Midwest, a picture of a baby blown
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  Speaker 4: to bits, apparently with the words, George Bush did this,
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  Speaker 4: over the.
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  Speaker 2: Top of it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a parent, and you give that picture to my child,
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  Speaker 4: regardless of what I think of the war.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm well aware of the fact that you support
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  Speaker 3: the war, Mr. Henry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, does that mean that my kid has to be
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  Speaker 2: abused by you?
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what I think it is.
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me. You're not going to call me a child abuser. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: George Bush is the one who... Look, the people listening
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  Speaker 3: to your broadcast right now and yourself, Mr. Henry, and
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  Speaker 3: I say this with great respect because I'm a person
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  Speaker 3: who believes in dialogue. I do not believe in confrontation.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know if it's a concept that you
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  Speaker 3: and your listeners will understand that I care so much
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  Speaker 3: for the children of America I want to show them
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  Speaker 3: a picture of a baby mutilated. I want them to
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  Speaker 3: see that because I love them. And I want them
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  Speaker 3: to see.
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what George Bush did?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, George Bush did that. Once they see that, then
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  Speaker 3: they'll know that I'm right. And that Howard Dean.
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  Speaker 3: But they caused it. And don't ever blame me. They
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  Speaker 3: caused it.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's abdicating responsibility in the stupidest possible way, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Please don't call me stupid. What I'm saying to you, Phil,
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  Speaker 3: is that making fun of Howard Dean forced my hand.
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  Speaker 3: I never would have done this had they not made
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  Speaker 3: fun of Howard Dean.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he screamed like a woman, you know. It wasn't presidential.
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  Speaker 2: People made fun of him. Whatever, okay? You hand out
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  Speaker 2: pictures of a dead Iraqi child.
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  Speaker 3: And then we time it so that as soon as
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  Speaker 3: they look at the picture, and we're very proud of Howard.
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  Speaker 3: We call it the war yell. And as soon as
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  Speaker 3: the kids see the picture, we let out a great,
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  Speaker 3: proud Howard Dean war yell.
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  Speaker 2: When a child sees this?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Demonstrate it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can't. He just went, yeah, like that.
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  Speaker 4: So as soon as the kids' eyes fall on this
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  Speaker 4: pile of what looks like just red meat, and forgive me,
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  Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, but it's just to hand this to kids.
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  Speaker 3: And then we say, vote Howard Dean. But I never
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  Speaker 3: would have done it had they not made fun of him.
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  Speaker 3: You tell your parents to vote for Howard Dean or
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  Speaker 3: this kind of thing, and this is the message we
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  Speaker 3: want to get home to the kids so desperately. Unless
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  Speaker 3: they vote for Howard Dean, what you see in this
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  Speaker 3: photograph could happen to you, a younger sister, or your
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  Speaker 3: new baby brother that your mother just brought home from
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  Speaker 3: the hospital, or something like that. It is a direct
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  Speaker 3: action campaign. It is done with love and caring. And
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  Speaker 3: I have principle, and I'll tell you why, Phil. I'm
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  Speaker 3: from San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: In the Mill Valley area?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and we live in San Francisco. As a result
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  Speaker 3: of that, we have a bit healthier lifestyle. We're more
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  Speaker 3: aware of life. Our children are not. The kids that
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  Speaker 3: grow up in the Bay Area are more prone to
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  Speaker 3: enjoy a bike ride than they will a, you know, a,
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  Speaker 3: what do you call it, paintball. We're a little more
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  Speaker 3: aware of life than the typical meat-eating Americans who are
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  Speaker 3: led like cows anyway down a slaughter ramp by George Bush.
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  Speaker 2: All right, 1-800-449.
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  Speaker 5: I'm angry.
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  Speaker 2: You know that.
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  Speaker 3: Frankly, Phil, I'm sorry you're angry, but you and all
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  Speaker 3: of you people have made fun of Howard Dean. And
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  Speaker 3: the media censors pictures like these without me. Kids won't
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  Speaker 3: learn the truth about what the president's done with the
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  Speaker 3: media censoring these things.
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  Speaker 2: You don't care what happens to these kids.
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  Speaker 3: I care very much what happens to them. Showing them
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  Speaker 3: this picture will get Howard Dean elected, and then the
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  Speaker 3: kids will know that I was right.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let me go to Eleanor.
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor, hi, you're on the Phil Hendry Show, 1-800-449-8686 with
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  Speaker 4: Dean Wheeler.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I would like to let this gentleman know that
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  Speaker 6: what he is saying is totally out of line. I
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  Speaker 6: work with little young people who have been traumatized by
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  Speaker 6: things like this in their early childhood. They don't forget
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  Speaker 6: these things. They remember these things. And it traumatizes them
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  Speaker 6: for their whole life. It just doesn't go away.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see Howard Dean being made fun of?
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  Speaker 6: No, I did not see Howard Dean being made fun of.
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  Speaker 3: I think you should have seen that to know my motivation.
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  Speaker 3: They made fun of him.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse me, sir.
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  Speaker 7: By laughing at him.
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  Speaker 5: They laughed.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse me, sir. You are an adult. That man is
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  Speaker 6: an adult. What you are doing, you are destroying children's lives.
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  Speaker 2: Eleanor, you have your radio turned up, don't you?
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  Speaker 6: Just a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to turn it down for us.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Phil, I'd like to comment on what the lady said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm showing the reality of war, what happens when you're
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  Speaker 3: blown apart. Excuse me, sir. Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 6: What are you trying to do by showing a child
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  Speaker 6: someone being blown apart?
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  Speaker 5: I am shocked at you. It will get the child
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  Speaker 5: to go home to his parent and say, look what
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  Speaker 5: President Bush is doing to children in Iraq.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: And then, through the grace of God and your help, Eleanor,
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  Speaker 3: and good Americans like you, you'll vote for me.
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  Speaker 6: The grace of God. I am a born-again Christian. And
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  Speaker 6: I would never allow anybody to traumatize my children like
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  Speaker 6: this to go.
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  Speaker 3: If you're a born-again Christian, then why did you make
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  Speaker 3: fun of Howard Dean?
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  Speaker 6: I did not make fun of Howard Dean.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't this the lady who said she thought he looked
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  Speaker 5: like a fag or some word like that?
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  Speaker 6: No one ever. If you accuse me.
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  Speaker 5: Of that, young man, I would like.
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  Speaker 6: To have your name and your address, and my lawyer
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  Speaker 6: will contact you.
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  Speaker 3: All right, ma'am.
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  Speaker 5: My name is Dean Wheeler.
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  Speaker 6: I have never said anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: I believe you said that you thought Howard Dean looked
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  Speaker 5: like a poofter.
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  Speaker 8: My God.
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  Speaker 6: May God bless you, sir. I'm hanging up this phone.
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  Speaker 5: Don't you want my address?
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  Speaker 6: And he had better bless you well, because this is
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  Speaker 6: going to cost you plenty.
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  Speaker 5: Well, ma'am, I can tell you that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank.
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  Speaker 2: You very much for that, Dean.
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  Speaker 3: What did I do?
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  Speaker 2: What did you do? What did you do? She's now
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  Speaker 2: threatening to sue.
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  Speaker 3: What is she going to sue? I thought I heard her.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't say any such thing, sir. And yet you
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  Speaker 2: make that claim.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Phil, we're way off point here. George Bush
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  Speaker 5: did this. I didn't do it. You didn't do it.
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  Speaker 5: That lady didn't do it. George Bush, by blowing.
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  Speaker 3: The kid up, and then they made fun of Howard Dean.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so you're saying you never would have passed
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  Speaker 4: out these pictures of this poor Iraqi child maimed through
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  Speaker 4: war if they hadn't made.
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  Speaker 2: Fun of Howard Dean.
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  Speaker 3: It pissed me off, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so because you're angry at people for making fun
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  Speaker 4: of Howard Dean, you're going to go out, show their
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  Speaker 4: kids pictures of this child, they'll cry to their parents,
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  Speaker 4: and their parents, out of guilt, will vote for Howard Dean?
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you this much. They'll either vote for
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  Speaker 3: Howard Dean out of guilt, or they will vote for
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  Speaker 3: Howard Dean because they believe in Howard Dean. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that he is the best man that I have
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  Speaker 3: ever met in politics. And for people to say he
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  Speaker 3: screamed like a pillow-biting queen... In my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: All right. We'll take a break, sir.
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  Speaker 8: 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 4: Talking with Dean Wheeler from the Northern California Alternative Solutions Retreat,
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  Speaker 4: the NCASR, about Dean's campaign to hand out pictures of
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  Speaker 4: Iraqi children maimed in battle at middle schools and high
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  Speaker 4: schools because the kids need to see them. If the
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  Speaker 4: kids see them, They will be affected by them emotionally
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  Speaker 4: and they will convince their parents that George Bush has
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  Speaker 4: to go.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Anybody shows my kid a picture like this, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to find him and I'm going to talk to him
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  Speaker 4: about it. I'm not saying I'm getting violent. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to find him and I'm going to talk to him
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  Speaker 4: about it. I don't think that kids, you know, today
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  Speaker 4: we're sexualizing kids. We're doing everything. They can't be adults
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  Speaker 4: fast enough, for God's sake. We've taken every shred of
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  Speaker 4: childhood away from them.
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  Speaker 2: Why? I don't know why. Because we've got bigger problems,
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 5: 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 2: Phil Henry Show. The Phil Henry Show.
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  Speaker 8: 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 2: We eat kittens.
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  Speaker 8: The Phil Henry Show is back.
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  Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 4: Dean Wheeler with me from the Northern California Alternative Solutions Retreat.
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  Speaker 4: I've got some phone calls to get to, but I
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  Speaker 4: want to talk to you a little bit, Dean, about
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  Speaker 4: the nature of this. The fact that you say that
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  Speaker 4: once these children see how horrible war is, they'll go
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  Speaker 4: to their parents, cry about it. and then everyone will
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  Speaker 4: know that you're right. Do you think this is about you?
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  Speaker 3: No, Phil, no, it is not about me. It's about
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  Speaker 3: Howard Dean, but, Phil, I come from San Francisco. I
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  Speaker 3: was born and raised here. I started the Northern California
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  Speaker 3: Alternative Solutions Retreat when I left the armed forces.
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  Speaker 2: Were you in the armed forces? You were in what?
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  Speaker 3: I was in the United States Army.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see combat?
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  Speaker 3: No, sir, I did not. No, I left the U.S. Army.
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  Speaker 3: I was given what is called a D & D.
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  Speaker 2: Dishonorable discharge? Yes.
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  Speaker 5: It was a Section 8.
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  Speaker 4: You were Section 8 out of the Army, which means
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  Speaker 4: they thought you were nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Because they are fascists, and they think everyone's crazy who
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  Speaker 3: doesn't agree with them, that's all. But I will tell
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  Speaker 3: you this, Phil. I come from San Francisco. We don't
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  Speaker 3: hurt children here. We enjoy children more than you'll ever know.
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  Speaker 5: But I have to show them this child blown to
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  Speaker 5: bits because they made fun of Howard Dean. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that's Christian, and it certainly doesn't cover the tenets
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  Speaker 5: of the other major religions of the world.
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  Speaker 2: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Veronica, go ahead, Veronica.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Wheeler, I just have basically one point, is that I
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  Speaker 7: think that you're traumatizing these young children who, to make
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  Speaker 7: a political point of voting for Howard Dean, which are
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  Speaker 7: two totally separate issues. But you're traumatizing the young children,
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  Speaker 7: and I think that you would probably also be the
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  Speaker 7: type that says, well, let's not show, let's say, the
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  Speaker 7: partial birth abortion type pictures, which also traumatize children. But
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  Speaker 7: you're still traumatizing.
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  Speaker 5: Are you showing children those pictures?
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  Speaker 7: I would never show an innocent child.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, you just said that you did, though.
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  Speaker 7: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, she didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she did.
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  Speaker 5: She said she thinks it's more valuable to show abortion
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  Speaker 5: pictures to a child.
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  Speaker 7: No, I said you would.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be happy to do that if you had some.
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  Speaker 7: I said you would not.
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  Speaker 2: She said you.
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  Speaker 7: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: Excuse me. Please don't interrupt me.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: No, but you're saying.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: You're interrupting me when I'm making a point.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: No, you interrupted me, and I'm saying that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: No, wait a minute, Mr.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Wheeler.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: The lady made a point comparing the picture... From Iraq. Okay.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Have you seen these pictures that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: We've got, Veronica?
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: No, I have not, and I certainly don't want to.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: You really ought to.
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: First of all, I guess you're not going to like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: this because Mr. Henry has twisted this conversation. We've had
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: some full-color shots done.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: We've blown them up poster board size, and we wanted
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: to put them on. into a coffee table book so
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: that the children have access to see what the devastation.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Of war looks like. Otherwise, we're lying to them. Otherwise,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: they think war is just, oh, I think I'll go
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: to the video game and kill an Iraqi.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: Now, would you also include the.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait. Did you say you want to put
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: these into a coffee table book?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Would you also include the World War II where the
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: Jews were total annihilated?
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Haven't you seen those?
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: Of course I've seen them.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Well, then what, do you want to see them again?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: How sick are you?
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: No, I'm saying that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: You want to see dead Jews? I'm giving you a
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: dead Iraqi.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: I'm saying, are you going to include the whole war
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: picture rather than putting it into a political program?
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: No, because this is about getting Howard Dean elected. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: don't know where you've been, but that's what I've been
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: If you have abortion photos, I'd be happy to include
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: them in the book, but I can't promise you what...
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Whatever your kick is, I mean, I'm not judging you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: This is not her kick. You're not listening.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: No, the lady said she had abortion photos, and she said,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: why would I use those? You said, would I use those.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Did you not say that, or am I going crazy?
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: I said, now, if you'll listen to me, I said,
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: you're probably the type that would not allow people to
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: see abortion pictures But you would allow them to see
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: war pictures. And I never said anything about me having
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: pictures of anything.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Can I say something?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not judging Veronica if she has abortion pictures, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: that's her freak.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: That's her thing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: And thank you for putting words in my mouth.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: She didn't say she had abortion pictures.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Well, then what is she talking about?
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: Do you want me to put them in the book?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: All right, Veronica, hold on for a minute. 1-800-449-8686. What,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: are you going to put abortion pictures in the coffee
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: table book, too?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Mr. Henry, this is not about me. This is about
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: how we can get Howard Dean to stop the juggernaut
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: of the Bush war machine and how little kids will
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: know that I'm right. I'm from San Francisco. I'm not
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: going to hurt anybody. And that woman, if her kick
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: is looking at aborted babies, good. I'll put a special
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: index in for them. All right, hold on.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: 1-800-449-8686. 1-800-449-8686.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Phil Henry Show.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: The Phil Henry Show.
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: 1-800-449-8686.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: God's favorite radio show.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: And now more on The Phil Hendry Show.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm back with Dean Wheeler from the Northern
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: California Alternative Solutions Retreat.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Wheeler, you said you had something you wanted to say about,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: you said you had an announcement you wanted to make.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I told your producer that, I'll tell you what,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in about two minutes I'm going to make you feel
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: really stupid. And I don't want to do it, Phil,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: but the things you've been accusing me of, of trying
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: to scandalize kids. I told you where I'm from. It
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have an impact. I told you about
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the Bush war machine. You're not listening. I told you
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that John Kerry is a war criminal. You're not listening.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: They made fun of Howard Dean, and you're still not listening.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So in about five minutes, I'm going to tell you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: You're the one that's passing out pictures of a baby
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: blown up in Iraq and giving them to school kids
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: in the hopes that they'll show them to their parents
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and say, please vote for Howard Dean, Mommy and Daddy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see any more kids killed.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I told you I'm from San Francisco. I know you're.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: From San Francisco.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: 1-800-449-8686.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Charles, go ahead. You're on the Phil Henry Show.
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: Hello.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you for.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: Taking my call.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: And I have two points. The first one is, as
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: a parent, if I was to thank my child in
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: public or to even raise my voice in a threatening
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: way towards my child, I could be subject to arrest.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I wasn't aware of that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: So what gives you the right, number one, to basically
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: hand the child something like that and then scream at
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: the top of your lungs like Howard Dean did and
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: then expect nothing to happen? And then, two, you say
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: that you're from San Francisco. You say that you wouldn't
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: do anything ever to harm a child. But do you
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: know that there's an organization called NAMBLA also based in
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: San Francisco that say basically the same thing? But you
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: know what? Just like you, they get off on traumatizing children.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Well, NAMBLA, you know, I've seen a couple of those
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: guys at some golf tournaments.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I think you've got a lot of them. I don't
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: agree with what they do, but if you sit down
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and have a drink with them, they can be a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: lot of fun.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: Okay, you know what? And I think that's what you've done.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: What do you mean you went to golf tournaments with them?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the Nambla guys will buy a foursome.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: But I want to say to Charles more than anything else, Charles,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: what would you say if I told you that the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: picture of the Iraqi baby, okay, are you hearing me?
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: Yes, I'm listening.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Was actually a hamburger that I threw on the sidewalk
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: and photographed.
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: Then I would say either you're lying to everybody else,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: in which case you are a fraud, or if you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: telling the truth, then you're still a fraud because that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: the kind of thing that could still... You should be
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: liable for... You're definitely leaving yourself open to lawsuits.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: So you're telling me I ought to be sued for
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: showing a kid a picture of hamburgers?
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: Oh, boy.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: And screaming at the top of their lungs like that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me hear that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: Especially if it is not your child.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So you go up to the kid, you show him
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a picture of this baby. Okay, you know what?
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: I'll give you an example. It would be the same
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: thing if I approached your child and did the same thing.
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: What would your reaction be?
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: Your reaction would not be to vote for somebody else.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: All right, let me tell you what happens.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: Your reaction would be to kick my butt.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you the three-step program.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: Because I know that if you did that to any
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: of my children, that's the first thing I would want
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: to do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: But I'm from San Francisco.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: You know what? That's right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: You're from San Francisco. That's the land of fruit and fairy.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: You just need to stay right where you are.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Hold on.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: This is what we do. I walk up. I say,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: look at this poor baby blown to bits by George Bush.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Vote for Dean.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Now, what is wrong?
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: And if Dean has people like you campaigning for him,
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: he has no chance in hell of winning the White House.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Now you've just insulted him again.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: So now....
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Now what?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Now I have to go show more pictures to children.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: No, I didn't insult Howard Dean. I insulted you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: You called me a fruit.
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: Yes, I called you a pathetic excuse for a human being.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: A twisted old fruit.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: That's exactly what you are.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Charles.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Charles, what city do you live in?
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: Why does it matter to you?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe I've got some pictures to show your kids.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: You know what?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I've got to put up your thing. Okay, Charles, thank you. 1-800-449-8686.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Here is Roger. Roger, go ahead. You're on the Phil
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Henry Show with Dean Wheeler.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mr.
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: Wheeler?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: Okay, now I want you to listen to me real close.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, sir.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: I was in the military for 30 years. I was
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: in Korea, Vietnam, and Okinawa in World War II.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: Now I want you to listen real close to what
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: you're saying.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: George Bush did not do that. It might have been
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: something because of the war, but he definitely didn't do it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: So that is a lie right there. And the next
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: place is, when you show this picture to these children,
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: you're doing the same thing as violating them with sexual
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: or anything else. You should be put in prison because
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: you are violating the children.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Roger, I eat nothing but sprouted seven-grain bread. I get
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: up in the morning and do a variety of postures
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and Pilates, and to suggest that I abuse children.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: You are abusing them. Everybody knows that. If you had
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: a brain in your head, you would understand this is
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: abusing a child. It traumatizes them.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Now, Roger, this is Phil Henry. You're a veteran, sir, right?
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right, now, I've got another veteran on the line,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: also a Korean War vet. Is this Lloyd?
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Lloyd, meet Roger.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Roger. How are you doing?
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm really upset.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I've never called a talk program before. Yeah, I listened
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: to this guy, this joker they got on the radio
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: right now who keeps saying he's from San Francisco. And personally,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't go across the street to piss on the
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: whole city myself.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I'd like you to watch your language, too.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I'm very sorry, but what this man is saying, he's
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: not showing a picture of an Iraqi baby. He said
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: he took a picture of hamburger meat.
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: That's totally irrelevant. He's been saying it was a baby.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: How about the 2 million-plus people at Saddam Hussein gassed
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: to death and laying in the streets? Why don't you
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: show pictures of that?
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I agree with you. Let me tell you, I agree
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: with you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: But this guy, you know, and another thing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Can I jump in, Phil? Go ahead.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein, yes, he gassed people. You're right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: But we really forced him to do that because... Who
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: forced him to do it?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: America did. We forced him into that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: He didn't want to do it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: He didn't really want to do it. But we were
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: so insulting. Look at what we did to Howard Dean.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Howard Dean gasses a number of people in Vermont.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I won't be shocked.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: You're doing the same... Well, that's the craziest bunch of garbage.
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: I've ever heard in my life.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let Roger say something.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Is this the host?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I'm the host, yes, sir.
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: Okay, well, sir, I respectfully request that you take this
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: guy out of his mind. You cannot talk to him.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. Listen, man, you know what I used to do
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: with guys like you? I was in the United States Navy.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: We used to take you guys down in an alley
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: and go through your pockets, take all the money, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: leave you with no pants on.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: You think so, huh?
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: That's what we do with a guy like this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: You think so, huh? If you hear what I said,
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: I was in Vietnam, I was in Korea, and I
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: was World War II, and I'm still alive. There's a
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: lot of dead people behind me, buddy. Who?
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Who are you?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: This is the Roger, the other veteran.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought it was the guy who had the pictures. Oh, no, no.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I want to say something. Saddam Hussein is a victim
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: of a horrible propaganda machine which is run by the
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: warmonger Bush. You know that, Roger, and I know it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: He's not a warmonger.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: What the hell kind of gobbledygook is that? You know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: you sound like the kind of fruit that thinks Michael
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Jackson is all that and a bag of GD chips,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: don't you? Don't you? No, I'm not going to be surprised.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: You know, in a way, I'm sorry I got upset
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: at you, because you are really an asset to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: Republicans and to George Bush, because everyone that hears you
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: talking like this now, I would say I'd never vote
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: for a Democrat as long as I live.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Hey, Roger, I don't want to interrupt you, but you
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: know who's on the television? My wife's got the Fox News.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever see the Fox deal.
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I've seen it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, they've got that Tammy Faye Baker. Now, let me
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: ask you a question.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: What?
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Is that a piece of ass or what?
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: You should apologize, sir. There's millions of people listening.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of women listening, yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm terribly sorry, but I've got to the point
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: in my life where I just don't give a sweet
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Christ any longer, you know?
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: No, but I do.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this gentleman, Roger, is a gentleman, and he
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to hear that, okay?
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: No, I do. I care about this country.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Also, I think it's a horrible way to speak about
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: one of our female species. Women are just like men,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: except they have to squat and, you know, do those things.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: Can I talk to the host again for a second?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right here, sir.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Well, in the meantime, I should talk.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, what do you want to talk about?
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: Okay, is the host on now?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm right here, sir. Go ahead.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: What I want to say is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: A guy like you ought to be taken out and shot.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you don't understand.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. They're talking in the background. Could you two
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: guys not talk in the background?
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Who, me?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Are you talking to me?
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I'm right here, Roger. Go ahead.
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: Okay, what I would say is the more I hear this,
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: the more thankful I am for him because anyone that
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: hears him that would vote for a Democrat has got
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: to be out of their mind. This guy, he shouldn't
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: be allowed loose on the streets. Forgive me, sir.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Because I've always enjoyed sex.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: All right, okay, thank you, Roger.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: What?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: What are you guys talking about? What, are you all
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: of a sudden getting his card now?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Look, Phil, we're really off the point. The point here
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: that I've been trying to make is that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I don't care what the point you're trying to make.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: You're talking to this guy about something, and I'm trying
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: to talk to the other guy.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: What do you mean you've always liked sex?
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: That's none of your beeswax.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Well, what are you talking to him about it for?
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: He's from San Francisco.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see. Yeah, okay. So we're going to go
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: into the stale gay jokes now?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: No, we're not. No, we're not going into the stale
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: gay jokes. Didn't I just say I thought Tommy Faye... Tommy, uh...
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Didn't I just get done saying that I thought Tommy,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: the guy from Motley Crue, is a piece of ass?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: No, you said Tammy Faye Baker.
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Isn't that his name?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: The guy from the thing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Tommy Faye Baker? No, that's Tammy Faye Baker.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Well, who's the guy from Motley Crue?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Tommy freaking Lee.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: You know, Phil, San Francisco to me has never represented
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: anything other than a wonderful place to go and have
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: a weekend. And my wife is here, and I'd like
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: to sing now.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Phil, can I just give out our phone number for
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: George Bush is a warmonger? That's post office box.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Go ahead.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: The loveliness of Paris seems somehow sadly gay. See, there
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: you go, right away, gay. It's not a surprise.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks very much, both you guys.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: If you want more information about the Northern California Alternative
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Solutions Retreat, can you make that title any longer?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Give us a call.