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Dissecting The New 'Summer House,' Shocking News About West Wilson's Family, 'In The City' Updates, 'The Valley' Thoughts & Bravo Exec's Telling Interview with Kate Casey · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Gabbin with Gabbin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Gibson Johns and today we're gabbin with Kate Casey, host of Reality Life with Kate Casey, all about summer house and also some about the valley but there really isn't that much to say about that show right now I feel like in terms of having an
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[SPEAKER_00]: at least just from my perspective, but we do touch on that towards the end for about 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate and I got into this week's episode of Summer House, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the reunion leaks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The news about West Wilson's cousin reportedly murdering his step-grandmother than I before the reunion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what a wild piece of news to come out this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's a very real thing that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: know we talk about how that might sort of impact the reunion and then I also discussed an update that we got about in the city from an interview that a bravo exact did in my chalice but that interview was behind a paywall and I usually use one of those sites that gets me beyond a paywall that's not a publication that I already pay for and there are some that do pay for
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just none of us can afford to pay for subscriptions to every single frickin news outlet and everything is paywall of these days And so I do use a paywall or move for some times, but for the angler it does not work so someone sent me the full thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: beyond just the one quote about in the city, that had been aggregated everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got that after I recorded my chat with Kate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I found it really, really interesting, pretty like kind of like behind the scenes nerdy, but I wanted to dive a little bit into that for you guys before we get to my full chat with Kate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can fast forward through this if you don't, but this is too nitty-gritty for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leslie Goldberg interviewed Francis Burwick, who is a chairman of unscripted
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to read some from this Q&A because again, there's, there's some really telling quotes I think about, you know, bravo's overall strategy, how it fits in with peacock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot about summer house in here as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this answer is a lot about the audience and how it's sort of evolving a problem which I think is really fascinating and how it's, it's very much informing the programming slate over a bravo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she says that the value of Bravo shows going next day on peacock is that it exposes them to an entirely different audience, often a younger and broader audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're now seeing in some cases at least 50% of the audience is consuming a show on peacock, but at the different audience, and then it allowed us to broaden the aperture and allow people to watch in their own time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A few years ago, we were very focused on a super-educated upscale, predominantly female audience on Bravo, and increasingly with time we have been broadening that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see that from some of the shows that we develop now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For much more focused on co-viewing, we have many shows like Below Deck, which has a higher percentage of male viewers, a lot of co-viewing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Traders is co-viewed, and we're seeing a lot of younger audiences now that we're leading into Neck Genomey C, Southern Hospitality, the Newcastle of Vanderb own Bruels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If she also says, there is a period many years ago when we were much more co-stily focused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're more focused across the entire country and looking at small towns and that's an exciting development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We love what we got with the MacBuy Dynasty, which features a lot of people wearing cowboy boots and hats and leaning a very different type of life, but it's still highly aspirational with great characters and highly immersive storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can tell that the audience at Bravo is getting younger and those shows are really popping for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that last part is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's, you know, I think there's a lot of implications about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of that has to do with like politics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a guess on my part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's a lot a lot in there about what she said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then the interviewer says that somewhere house returned to season highs in season 10, what a surprise you with the reaction to the show this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says there's a fascination with these people, which has been building season over season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People feel connected to the cast, but we see up Bravo Con as they think of them as their friends, and they have a passionate and visceral reaction when there are big moments of drama and emotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a piece of the audience that forgets these are real people, and it's incredibly raw and painful time for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We taped the show more than six months ago, so there's a different light that you will watch these episodes that are now airing for events that happen last August
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[SPEAKER_00]: much more will be revealed as we air the Breunion special that as we get into them and as we get into the spin-off in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the interview asks, what kind of conversations are or were you having about how to capitalize on the chatter around summer house?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything we can do differently because summer houses, people living their real lives and what actually happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they are put under this type of microscope, it can be an intense pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want them to feel as comfortable and as good as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for us to use your expression capitalized on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're conscious that people are interested in the storyline and they're intrigued by it, and they have judgment on it, but this is about us saying true to what summer house is in telling the story in the purist, true is way, that we can as it unfolded last summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walk me through to decision to not pick up cameras when the cast learned of Amanda Batula and West Wilson's romantic relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had finished production on summer house, but it was really about in the city, which does pick up some of the cast who carry forward in the city, which launches in a couple weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen the first episode that we have a new scene that we shot with a couple of the cast members, so we did pick it up there, but we just didn't feel like that was the right thing to do on summer house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does come back to the emotional well-being of the cast members, and we didn't think that was right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did take a beat before we covered that, and as that was obviously in the reunion last week, and as everyone now knows, we taped the reunion last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you my thoughts in a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did the production receive any kind of notice prior to Amanda and West Joint State make confirming their relationship?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, did they have a jump that they were going to do that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, did anyone know a minor heads up a few hours?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A man to let Kyle know a little bit before that day?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That day not so not much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the production really didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna stop there for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they we are going to get a new scene the beginning of in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming that in the city, I'm assuming that summer house will end somebody drives into the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a classic crossover into the spin off back door pilot and I don't know where they will add this new scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's at the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a flash forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they clearly know they have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: address the fact that you know this season that's going to be a lot of Amanda and Kyle obviously this West update on Amanda's love life and so I don't know how they will address that I'm guessing it's a Kyle Amanda scene I don't know if they've gotten West to film in the city definitely not Sierra I don't know that's sort of just my guests but I think it's really telling and I do think that like sort of the emotional well-being stuff I think that is where I've discussed in the past I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: learned a lot of lessons about how to handle something like this from scandal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with scandal, they leaned into it way more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've been much more cautious in this summer house situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think part of that, just from my interpretation of everything,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that Vanderpump rules didn't survive scandal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd got one more season out of it, and they had to clean house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they know that summer house, they really don't want to have to do that with summer house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you'll see, as what Francis says later in this interview, they don't know exactly what that looks like, but summer house is going to survive this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the interview continues, the scan of all controversy similarly occurred late in the show's run and ultimately served as the conclusion for the Vietnam War rules core cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see this playing out for summer house?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What options are you exploring?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I see how they're being completed but they're different types of shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Summer house has a good long runway ahead, very promising, and we're trying to figure out what that looks like right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole intent of in the city was following the new life stage for some of these cast members.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a natural separation in terms of these two shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you in negotiation process for season 11 of summer house?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you share anything about who's returning and who isn't?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys, it's a great interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I not tell you is the great interview?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you got out of reading it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't share anything about who's returning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to put my money on it, I would say summer house is coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you probably noticed, many of our successful shows remain on the schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that we have had real housewives on the air for 20 years speaks to that we're pretty good at refreshing and renewing and evolving shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things we have done differently from many other linear cable networks is we have continued to invest in bravo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have not taken our foot off the gas in any way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The shows have kept delivering and we have been able to add an expand and yes, we think that we are pretty expert at the franchise management of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where we see success, we can build out and we can pivot and we have done that well with the shows like below deck and real housewife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are always looking for opportunities where we can do that with other shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the key is contending to invest in these formats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The stock's about how beyond the villa has been doing well this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, traders is very successful on peacock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the interviewer says, let's go back to summerhouse for the leak, which came from production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is the audio leak from the reunion ultimately good for the show?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes things out of context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unnerving for the cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not how we think the show should be presented.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's disappointing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's well put, simple, direct, and accurate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did the discussion run summer house impact plans were in the city?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you move up the premiere date, adjust any of your marketing plans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only change that we did was tape an extra scene to open up the first episode because we felt that would actually ground it in something that was a bit more current than when we had taped in the city last fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it's going to open that episode somehow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Amanda still will be involved within the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is in the whole season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, nobody expected her to be cut from the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, the last, I think notable question I think I want to read to you guys, circling back to your franchise strategy, you have scores of them, Summer House, Housewives, the Trader, Blowdeck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you navigate when a property is right for expansion?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's when we find a castle we feel as worthy of the original cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it's driven by life stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The valley came from some of our customers of it at my brules who were no longer working at Lisa's restaurants, but we still wanted to follow their journeys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we brought in their friends around out the cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, with the real housewives who do a lot of development and look at a lot of different ensembles who could be housewives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bar is incredibly high and they're a way more than we say no to than we say yes to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we find a castle we fall in love with, that's what happened with the real housewives of Rhode Island,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they've got a different point of view and it feels like a different show will go for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Below deck is on basically year round and that's pretty much, oh sorry, there's a couple more that are kind of interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of Vandenpump rules grads have migrated to Disney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you see Bravo talent popping up with shows at a competitor, is that good for your overall ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is talking about Stasi on her new show on Hulu, which is owned by
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[SPEAKER_00]: stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it can be additive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says it increases a number of people who are exposed to the talent, but it depends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it can't be helpful because it confuses the brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the band of my fellow stuff is confusing for the brand personally, because Lisa Bandampomp is still...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the head-hunter on Band-Amp rules, she's also the head-hunter on Band-Amp villa, you know, her last name is in both the shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's confusing branding personally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that's pretty much it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that I didn't bore you, but I really think that's a pretty interesting and telling interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of good nuggets in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'll hear me bring it back up at my chat with Kate, but again, it's just one of those poll quotes about in the city getting an extra scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I agree with a lot of what Francis said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't there's nothing glaring, but I do
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[SPEAKER_00]: some of these quotes really build well for the future of summer house which I think a lot of people nobody was nobody thought that summer house is going to go away like that that way that's so dramatic but I do think that like some of this is encouraging about like sort of how they're really thinking so deeply about okay how do we move this show for because it is clearly such a highly watched
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[SPEAKER_00]: show that people are invested in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we do about this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And clearly they have not figured that out yet, but they want to figure that out really badly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they have in the city now is like such a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably such relief for them, honestly, because it's like some of the people who aren't going to work on summer house anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not just because they're not in that life stage, but because somebody some people might not film want to film with them anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have this other show that's a little bit less, you know, putting everyone under one roof in terms of the premise of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is really a boon for Bravo when it comes to
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[SPEAKER_00]: and having them have a place to land at the network still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, that is it from me up top here, keep listening from my chat with Kate Casey all about summerhouse and a little bit about the valley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check out her podcast, reality with reality life with Kate Casey wherever you get your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And please make sure to rate, review and subscribe to Gatkinless Gid, wherever you're listening to this right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want a gab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, today we're gathering with Kate Casey, host of reality life with Kate Casey, return guest multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You love her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking summer house and the valley today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm well, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you and you're gorgeous young without a wrinkle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we maybe had just been in the sun for a moment face?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're making now you make me blush and it's gonna be more do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you so much What's your dating life like right now like are you that's what we're starting or are you like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm single right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm single right now
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[SPEAKER_00]: How's like are the apps like a disaster in New York?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really doing that right now, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, it's kind of like Instagram's a good dating app.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People connecting with people works sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I noticed with either with the summer house stuff like Sarah, formerly of us weekly, no, and entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, weekly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said something like, yeah, this is like New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's, that's my part of the, that's part of the,
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[SPEAKER_00]: why summer house hits the way it does is because there's like a one degree of separation like high level of relatability aspect to this cast in this show, especially if you live here, but I think that holds up even if you don't live in New York or like it feels like even if I know a lot of these people, but even if you don't know them, it feels like you do and it feels like
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[SPEAKER_00]: That I think why it's hitting, it's striking such a chord for people, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it hits everybody in a different way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you were the Sierra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you were the West and now you have regrets about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you were the Amanda and then you move into your 30s and you're like, I made such bad choices and I was really totally full of myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's I think that that's that's like a whole thing that I would love to unpack at some point we got pretty wild news this week and it kind of it's a little bit like in your wheelhouse in terms of because you do well you talk about everything unscripted and you love to crime and this really wild story about West Wilson's step forward being murdered by his cousin allegedly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the night before the reunion taped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, you can't, like, I was like shook when I saw this headline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wait, wait, wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sort of like, I thought the reaction on the line was like a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like people were like, kind of making jokes out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this is like, for all intents and purposes, Wes, grandmother, one of his grandparents, who was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at first when I heard all the leaked audios, he's not talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I even said, like, he's a mute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why aren't you stepping up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you hear that, you can't help but think, oh, he's checked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in another place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's thinking about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was he gonna do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call and say, it's not like you're a junior in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I got the flu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't come from my final.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all there's so much killed on civil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they're filming up this, the other cast members.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, what do you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to show up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have expected him to aim you regardless because he tends to shut down on these moments where he is in the hot seat in general, but this definitely informs the version of West.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see on the reunion and just like regardless of everything, like it doesn't negate anything, but it's also like this is like a very real thing that happened and it's just like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mia is saying Mia for himself and I was mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said that he had deemed her like two days ago So then okay, so then you're not sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's that about and then you're and then you go I don't know maybe he's taking a moment to I don't you have no idea what's going on
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think West is sending a lot of texts like that, where it's kind of like blanket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry you're driving to this, I'm sorry who I did, I'm sorry XYZ, all the ones that have been brought up, they don't really sound very specific to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, copying paste.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not even copy and paste.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just sort of like my as well as sent an apology kind of thing, you know, like I think he's I think he's trying to eat crow, but I think one of the issues with how West handles this stuff in general is like he just isn't he doesn't get specific enough for like what he did wrong and he also makes him a lot about like he tends to make it about how he feels honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But oh, that's painful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like when I interviewed him the first season, he was incredibly charming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then I started to worry about him because he seemed to be too caught up in the fame of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kept thinking you got that sense from your interview with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm immediately after.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like as a season like kind of continued because I feel like I got more and like the front end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen so many people in the last 10 years and they just been with the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had particular fears about Jesse and West.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't, it's crazy, like people's brain chemistry changes with fame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very much so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I feel like if I were in his neighborhood, I don't know, I'd talk on the door and be like, I think you and I need to have a little come to Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do wonder other people around all these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they're, if they have anybody to give them a reality check,
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[SPEAKER_00]: her, the hard truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many people around them, they have their doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like there's anybody doing that or like at least get through to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're trying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
19:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But all signs point to them, just like not getting it.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the leaks that you've heard, it's just like, you know, Amanda saying like, what do you expect me to be sell a bit?
19:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't date anybody.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, you chose this one person that you shouldn't have.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she can't help with
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to act on that every time you like somebody, you know it's like, yeah.
20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything just points to them not getting it to me.
20:14
[SPEAKER_00]: What we've heard, do you feel the same?
20:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they've just encircled themselves with people who are talking about deals.
20:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're like visibility, equals, profitability.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Just get yourself out there.
20:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're looking at how many comments are on opposed, how many new followers they have.
20:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it takes like at least two years of introspection post show to really get it.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can see that.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So the other thing that happened this week we found out from Frances Burwik, who's the chairman of Bravo and Peacock unscripted.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: She said that on in the city in the first episode, we have a new scene that we shot with a couple of the cast members.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: We picked it up there, but we just didn't feel like it was the right thing to do on summer house.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It does come back to the emotional well being of the cast members.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't think that was right.
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We did take a beat before we covered that.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was obviously in the reunion last week
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm curious, you know, again, the production side of unscripted so well, and so it sounds like they just didn't think it was right for sort of the timeline and the flow into the new show from summer house to in the city to have picked up cameras for summer house to document this whole thing.
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they already filmed all of the city?
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: They've filmed in the city, but it sounds like they've done this new scene.
21:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but that doesn't, I don't know.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's going to flow that well.
21:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Because even if they do that scene, you know, you're still going back in time.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they begin with saying, yeah, like a flash for more kind of thing.
21:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they might do that.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Four months later, something, the other wise, the flow is flowed.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if they drive, I'm picturing the like, drive from the Hamptons, whether it's Lindsey or Kyle and Amanda or whatever.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: eight, eight, ten lines later.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know, it's a Kyle and Amanda talking about it.
22:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, did, did they get Weston's Sierra to do it in the city scene?
22:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not on the cast for the show.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to see why that's a good point.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird to infuse Weston's Sierra.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they would first of all, those two are in the thick of it right now.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: needs to be very careful about the opportunities.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she could actually leave Bravo.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she needs to go.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think if I talked about this last week, like the wording of her dancing with the stars now, it's meant she was like, I have some business to finish up here in New York.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for a fresh shoot chapter.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the decision's been made on her part to leave, but I, my guess is that's this decision she will make, personally, to follow.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: She's done it.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't need to go back.
22:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She can.
22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see her back.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Selfish.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see her story continue to be told and I feel like she's coming to her own as the years have gone on more and more and more as a reality star like this season is like just I think a treat from her in terms of what she's told us about her personal and family life.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see her back but I would totally understand her decision not to.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially you completely depends on like
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: who they also want to bring back to this show that they think they can live under the same roof.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really tricky tricky situation all around in a time.
23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is they always make these decisions for summer house very quickly.
23:32
[SPEAKER_00]: They always make them essentially like between the reunion airing and the show filming for the July weekend.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a pretty quick turnaround, and I'm sure they have people sort of like,
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: on deck if they need to sort of tap in to people they need a lot of people on deck they do but it's like it's just a weird thing with the summer house universe we're like the talent that we care about as viewers either are graduating into a new show or they can't exist under the same roof at this point.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they can.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they know how do you get people.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You think they're
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like people care about Jesse, they care about me and now they care about you know like even if less in the mandarin there Kimea, maybe Jesse otherwise get on new people I think you're not not cage and era I think they did like jump out off the screen for me Okay, and also maybe because they're together, I think it's sort of like I mean they like simple people they like single people in the house Yeah
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see people who like work in these high-pressure jobs who lose their minds and the Hamptons on the weekends.
24:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of, I think I was talking about this, but one of the appeals to me, one of the many appeals about Mia, is that she felt almost like a retro casting, because not only does it felt like she's been there forever, she has a real job in real estate.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That, like, the sharehouse going out to the Hamptons and the weekends is an opportunity for her to blow off steam, she's not just like another influence or content creator type
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to real estate people because they have a little bit more flexibility and they have good personality.
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're always be closing, you know what I mean?
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Always be closing.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And the process don't care if they're on the show because that only helps them with their brand recognition.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get people to their social media to sell the properties.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If I own a real estate company in New York City right now, I'm looking at my hottest party.
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually pitching them.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even need bravo to approach them.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you a bonus if you do this show.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Or wait, if you work at a company like Gold Belly or something, I'm saying to my staff, oh, fuck over it.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Go and get on summer house and I'll pay you a bonus if you get on the cast and you film because that's huge press for them.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Or what if you work at a company that's like a rival or lover boy?
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And another file is not going to be on the summer house anymore.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: There is an opportunity to slot in with like, yep.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what was one in the Hannah burner?
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was truly, yes.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: What if, what if truly is the next, there's a truly employee and the next sponsor of season 11.
26:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine that.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I'm not saying we're going to change the entire trajectory of the show.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying we're going to change the whole trajectory of the show.
26:23
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:27
[SPEAKER_00]: On this week's episode.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we got a lot.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It was sort of the continuation or the aftermath of Western Sierra's emotional pre-boat coffee date.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We see them hold hands as the cars drive up.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra calls him her person.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: There's his moment where they're sitting down for dinner that night and Jesse's like, damn, I can't believe the summer is almost over and West is like, well, my summer is just begun.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They're multiple hugs in the in the bedroom that we see there like lingering hugs.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it just lands in such a odd way watching this show now.
27:02
[SPEAKER_00]: These moments that like,
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: for the first half of the season before this news came out.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I was rooting for them to get back together because I like their rapport.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but now I'm like, oh my god, I can't even watch this.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's crazy how much it's changed.
27:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just a classic breadcrummer.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a guy that really likes attention.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he had any interest in her romantically.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he just likes the fact that she likes him.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're breadcrum, you're breadcrum.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the first her, I can't speak for her, or personally, but I think that when you're on a reality show,
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: especially of the attention that summer house gets, your world becomes smaller and smaller and smaller.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have this emotional intimacy at point, at one point of physical intimacy, but also this psychological intimacy that you would share with somebody who is this very, very unique life experience.
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: you're right and I think that you add on top of that the fact that Sierra's spoken about how difficult it is to get her to trust people.
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And at one time, she considered West her best friend who she trusted immensely.
28:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's complicated because the relationship was always somewhat romantic, even though it was always somewhat flirty.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But she considered him her person.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she says on this week's episode and it's like it's so hard to watch her say that
28:30
[SPEAKER_00]: there's been this slight narrative on social media like when I would like be like oh my god like Western Sierra like back together you know I love these little moments they're including for us they're bread coming for us on the show people be like why are you rooting for her to trust him again you know and it's like
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: are you not also watching everybody else on the cast, KJ, Mia, they're all supporting Sierra in her efforts to get on back on good terms with West last summer when this filmed.
28:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so it's, I think it's, it makes sense that people were rooting for it and then we wanted to see them get back because they had that baseline great thing, but obviously in hindsight, now we know that it wasn't as deep for him at least.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: and doesn't everybody feel like that they've been there at some point, you have so convinced yourself that somebody is sending you messages and they are not.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just playing you.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of West after getting
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of this television opportunity.
29:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to play up to cameras.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a lot of it is like, oh, people are into this love story with Sierra and they were so enraged when it didn't work out last season.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me play this up a little bit.
29:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We find out via Sabrina that West had told Dan Drunkenly one night that he had a crush on Sierra, apparently.
29:54
[SPEAKER_00]: We also find out that Sabrina Benz, Sierra, and West are going on a double day after the soft bar opening.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because people are probably sick hearing this from me, but
30:05
[SPEAKER_00]: The confessionals are filmed fairly recently, and this is where we hear West and a confessional forum say, I feel like Sabrina's already booked our wedding venue.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is too much too soon.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only doing this because Sierra and Sabrina want to do this double date.
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas in the moment, he has different energy about this.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a people pleaser.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a people pleaser who really loves the attention from the show.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he needs some time away from television to really get a sense of like,
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like a drug to you like how did you lost yourself for a minute.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He did and I think a man does also lost herself I think that like yeah, I see her as somebody different Who do you see I think she I think she's only revealed who she really is?
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's a romantic climber, a phrase that I'm going to call me.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's someone who chooses not for real love, but for the opportunities that someone presents for them.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was the kind of person that always had a boyfriend who was the big personality.
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: She sort of stood behind.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: She kind of, in my mind, lacks the real charisma in the room.
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think she saw Kyle, she was this big personality, he's on this TV show, she shows up for an episode, and she's like, oh wait, I don't have to get a real job, I can kind of do this, she gets married to him despite the fact there is every red flag in the book.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think he seemed that interested in marrying her.
31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: but they get married.
31:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she just held on until she could find the next person that could provide her opportunity.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, some people would say what opportunity is West Gipper.
31:47
[SPEAKER_01]: West is younger, West is very connected to different genres of the digital media.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He is super creative.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He has access
32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the many he showed her attention, she's like, and we got a new program.
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she's a romantic climber.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: She just revealed herself finally.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of this episode, when Wes is telling her about making up with Sierra, and she's like, I'm so happy for you, and she makes that face.
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that her feelings were developing, then that's a crush.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: She has on him at that point in time.
32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was probably, yeah, I had gone way back, but he just started to show probably a little bit.
32:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:35
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where he has to have a moment with a therapist.
32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And when the therapist was like, how do you think this unfolded?
32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, my need for attention was so deep that I was sending signals to somebody.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where we are now.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to know that he has all these women in his pocket, and he's really all about what he wants to do.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's giving a manner to you.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a drug.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs a lifeboat and a ladder.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs a lifeboat to get away from Kyle, but she needs a ladder, because she's going up the social rungs.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And the lifeboat makes it so she doesn't have to make do them much work.
33:11
[SPEAKER_00]: She can just kind of put them along.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: She likes it.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: As we know, she doesn't love to work, basically.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Kyle's there alone that weekend.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels he's like, he's freer than ever, you know, he's like so unburdened by a man, uh, he's really hung up on this group chat thing where a man is basically ignored all of Kyle's texts for the like whenever he's like, hey, got, got all the plane landed in it.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, landed at a, you know, whatever college town he's DJing at, you know, she doesn't respond.
33:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The only kind of communication he's gotten for all weekend is when West
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's one of those things where the confessional for me was really telling because he was like This is what it takes to give her a little foam ale if that's still in January February He we know from what he said publicly that he was putting the pieces together at that point Yeah, so like he's he's sniffing what's going on here when he's saying this on camera
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I thought when she said that, I thought, again, you're only revealing yourself who the person that you are.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a person who has zero work ethic, zero discipline, zero drive.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she derives all over energy from the person that she's with, again.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: She's using them as a social ladder.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she just sits around all day, meanwhile, Kyle,
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he derives energy from work and movement like this in the guys a lousy partner should have never been married.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But he has done the heavy lifting in terms of trying to build that business.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely, definitely.
34:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's reason to for me to believe maybe she did provide some financial help with like a lot of the brand opportunities.
35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I mean, the merchandise that Amanda designed for Loverboy for many years upheld that business.
35:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
35:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was a key driver of them sustaining.
35:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, however, he seems to be far more or seem to be far more stressed out about it.
35:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She just sort of like, like, I just that's her personality.
35:23
[SPEAKER_01]: She just, yeah, I think so.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: She's zero interest in the pre-nob.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, like, he's a business major.
35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So he can do that.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he has the business.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And he, like, how many seasons and reunions did that guy look so stressed out?
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm running every once.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Every single one of my veins pop out.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing this one.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to the Hampton since the only time that I can actually let go and I also know that this is my personality.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So the more up visibility equals profitability, the more I'm on the show, the more opportunities I can get.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going falls out so that he's memorable on TV so he can get somebody to buy the you know the beverage company and the DJ ticket.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And the DJ ticket.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like he is working over time and she's just sort of like lazy on the side.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of always been their story.
36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it's like, I can't stand lazy people.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, I mean, I mean, I think you and I kind of come from the same cloth in that way.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, it's like, we were talking before about like, you know, people holding up there to the bargain.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, it's just, um, yeah, that frustrates the hell out of me in real life.
36:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you were sort of a looting to, I think it's very, it's going to be very interesting to see.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: What version of Amanda, maybe after some of the West stuff dies down in like a year, six months, or whatever long it takes, what version of her will we get?
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, will it be, will she find drive in herself, will she lean on, I mean, I don't see her getting too many brand opportunities.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She'll get an ever-mantic partner who will pay it.
36:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It won't be West, yeah.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The other, so Sierra Manda have a sit down in the city.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see much of Amanda asking Sierra about West.
37:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's editing.
37:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they probably did talk about them, and they did, but it was mostly a Kyle and Amanda discussion.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when we got Amanda's confessional, where she's like, there's no wrong in this calm.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she thought that.
37:18
[SPEAKER_00]: People are reading it as like her trying to go for page energy and the confessional's.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of see that.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really landate for me.
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: can't forget that a lot of these shows, most of these shows, you have a producer or somebody who is giving them stuff because listen, they're not committed to geniuses and they do need a little help.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a right stuff.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, try this.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The show to be like nice and tight.
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's also like it's the kind of they're they're kind of part of the media training is also like when you're asked a question your answer She's sort of repeat some of that question.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like how are you feeling today?
37:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't say good.
37:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You say I'm feeling good today Like that's yeah, sort of part of it.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that yeah, you're right.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It was sort of fed up to her.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious what what you're feeling about Sabrina she is she bugs she bugs a little bit he bugs you
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little bit.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they were together probably a lot longer.
38:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And that she seems like somebody who really knows the situation well knows her partner very well.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just weird for the viewer, because the narrative is this is like a love that they've just figured out is really like so deep.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And we feel like we're being like
38:36
[SPEAKER_00]: miss less sold a bit bullshit story totally.
38:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with you and like I don't I'm not really as bothered by her in particular.
38:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that his reactions to two things in this episode won her on FaceTime revealing to Sierra via him.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That West said he had a crush on her.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wet.
38:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, his reaction.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Sabrina Noel, yeah, yeah, you don't say what you don't say what we say and though like the the hollowed holes of our apartment and the other one was when they get to soft bar and they're talking to you Jay, and she does two things where she's like Do you tell them about Christmas yet?
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you tell them about Christmas yet?
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, yeah, I bought her a ticket and she's coming down.
39:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you tell her what your do you tell what your mom said that you won't that the next person you bring back is going to be the one it's like she is
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: She's been around a while.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell, yes, she's definitely been around a while, but I also can't tell if that's like producer, puppet, E, and she's just kind of like clumsy with it, or if she's trying to just stay for like a long band on camera.
39:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you, he love actor and he's like, okay, okay, yeah.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the show, here's what I got to do.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to pretend that I'm single, okay, so she's just got to roll with it.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's back at the apartment and she knows he's filming it.
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: She's getting phone calls from the bathroom.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's getting annoyed.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yes, I'm sitting in this apartment with the dog or the cat.
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: My friends aren't here this weekend and you're having a blast.
39:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And these bitches better not think.
40:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we see her arrive where she's like, by the way, I'm a man to think, uh-huh.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been here the whole time, okay?
40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
40:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I'll be honest, he's an 11.
40:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hope for her.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like that's like she's just she's using these last few weeks of the summer to establish herself as kind of a character on the show.
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I don't blame her for the the effort.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't like if I were her and I'd be also kind of like frustrated with the situation and I'd want to like be milking it too, you know.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: When I was growing, I've been filled off the other was the show, Albert Showcase.
40:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a girl at school who went on it.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like little girls and little dresses and like an old man.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It was totally weird.
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a girl from my school who was on it.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was so obnoxious.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And she treated every day like it was a Broadway show.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And we used to make fun of her behind her back.
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And we would go, for odd way, baby.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Sabrina is Broadway, baby.
40:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Sabrina is like, I'm here.
41:00
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a showgirl.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I spin off.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a showgirl.
41:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And she just seemed like she came in and know where.
41:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh my god, Sierra, when I, I just think we're like, you know, she's like, now they look kindred spirits, yeah.
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when Jesse's like, well, Sabrina's texting me because it's like that now.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's like, we, we're, what's?
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he was kind of being shaded her.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I think that they're saying it because, yes, I think they're saying it.
41:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was like, okay, I guess we're friends now.
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was kind of the vibe.
41:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's all not just like, okay, our friend has a girlfriend who's a little clean.
41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's really as much that as it's like, oh, she thinks she's like gonna be sure of the show.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also funny because it's
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit less quick, but like not a dissimilar thing happened with Dera to where it's like she wasn't originally going to be on the cast for the season.
41:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, but then her NkJ strike up this quick romance and now she's like basically replaced Levi on the cast.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like.
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny to have it happen almost twice in a row where it's like those these women are like almost like it feels that they're dating what dating their way on to the show But Ben and Sabrina were clearly already together and so yeah, and so Sabrina sort of I think by How it's been set up.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of set up to fail a little bit in terms of her favorability It's like you they're all working at a company because I really thought it was what it is and then you've got this employee that's like pretty new last six months
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: and shows up with a full presentation with the consultant that's been in the office two times.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And you realize, oh, the consultant has been working with the new employee and they think they're going to change the whole company.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're, you're also just too prepared, girl.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm not as bothered by her, but I totally see it.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We get to the software opening and, you know,
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very proud of Carl for doing this in general.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, I've been inside this space.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually really beautiful.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually went for an Amanda brand event in the fall.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's all far.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And he should be really, I'm really proud of him.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody's really proud of him.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think his speech was really great and his confessional sort of explaining.
43:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the dynamic about how like this wouldn't even exist if his brother hadn't passed away, but like it's this really weird feeling inside of him.
43:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really special to hear about.
43:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the soft bar of it all kind of spawns like several.
43:31
[SPEAKER_00]: storylines.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have the Kyle thing where he didn't invest financially in soft bar.
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the board, you know, Carl has a snowman earlier in the episode where he kind of shades Kyle by being like, everyone here's been supported, but some people have been supported with their wallets.
43:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get to soft bar and lover boy.
43:49
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not on the menu.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you make of that of that situation?
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to blow up next week, clearly.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I love passive aggressive behavior at a reality show.
43:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to.
44:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my favorite.
44:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Until it builds up and explodes.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll cling to classes with the wall.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love it.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But it needs to happen.
44:08
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I keep thinking about.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all this discussion of like, does taking a shower mean, is that like double speak that there's other stuff going on like, I think about those rumors and then I think about them all having these theme parties and everyone's like, guzzling beer and they're like, beer pong and it must be so hard for Carl to be in those environments and I don't think enough is said about
44:38
[SPEAKER_01]: how strong he is and it is a variety and how he has been able to navigate to be in an environment like that.
44:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree.
44:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's impressive.
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I could do it.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very charged and it's very fueled by things that he's trying to avoid.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like remember when he was talking about this smell of like wine or something in failure?
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Or he was like, I would drink a whole bottle of, I would drink a whole bottle of rosé and I would be more honest.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, it's, I don't know what it's like to be an addict, but like to live with that for the rest of his life.
45:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be really difficult, but also I so admire his honesty about things like that and like I don't think I've ever heard it presented in the way that he's presented some of these ideas and so he's kind of breaking ground for reality see which I think he should feel really proud about at soft bar itself.
45:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's showing up for him.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of past past cast members, Danielle, Luke, Andrea, et cetera.
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They're showing up, but it's also, they're not just showing up for him.
45:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this weird thing where they're supporting him, but they're also there to sort of,
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: plant the seed for in the city, which is about to start filming soon after this event opening Danielle's on that show on Dreas on that show and Carl's not on in the city, by the way.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a big mistake.
46:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand that.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they think that's a big mistake.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially because there's so much story happening right now involving him and softbar.
46:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's an interesting decision that
46:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't utilize him as the friend who will actually sit down and listen to you.
46:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a good listener.
46:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of them, anybody else is.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand Carl not being on summerhouse anymore.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Like arguably, I think this is best season probably, but arguably before now, you could have said he's out, he's out overstate his welcome.
46:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on a natural fit for him anymore.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just for a variety of reasons.
46:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'd think like, okay, but like, in the city is about life in the city.
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as party centric, presumably it'd be more natural for him to be around.
46:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for that decision to be explained by like an exact or something because especially given towards the end of the season, unlike there's him and Kyle, there's him and Lindsay, there's Lindsay and Sharon, there's a soft bar.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of stuff going on that I'm like, okay, like so we just drop off at the end of the season
47:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about the rent of soft bar.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so must be so expensive.
47:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's in a really popular area of Brooklyn Green Point, which is like right next to Williamsburg, which is even more kind of expensive.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I've only been there for an event, so I don't know what it's like day to day there.
47:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he is leaning into the events of it all, which is probably smart.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they have summer house, watch parties every week, like it's like, there's a lot going on there all the time, but I don't, when it's like not,
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: an event happening there.
47:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what the vibe is.
47:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard it.
47:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to utilize every single thing.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's not open in the morning, rent it out for people who want to film stuff.
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they could like use it as a reality TV show, like filming space totally.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I, what did you make of the Sharon and Lindsay conversation?
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Reaction to it.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I have stopped to say it, but I'm curious what you think about it.
47:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should say, I think you should explain how you feel first because you know her personally.
47:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I can say what I think is an answer.
48:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
48:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's probably informed by me knowing this situation because I'm friends with Lindsay.
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Lindsay clearly went into that event like wanting to like avoid talking to Sharon because of the history and she was kind of like co exist with her.
48:16
[SPEAKER_00]: great, like keep a classy kind of thing.
48:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I'm a little confused about why Sharon like needed to go up to her, because there is a lot of history there, not just because Lindsey and Karl were engaged and broke it off, it predates that.
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe if you could give us a little bit more context because I think that's how yeah, I mean like earlier in summer house like in like an early season.
48:41
[SPEAKER_00]: When Carl was struggling Lindsay invited Sharon to the city in a range for her to be there for Carl I forgot what the occasion was but there was a scene where they all got drinks together and essentially Lindsay like.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Carl's mom, I think, became kind of a really important mother figure to Lindsay when she was friends with Carl.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Lindsay has abandonment issues from her mom abandoning their family early in her life.
49:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's talked about that a lot.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think through their friendship and then obviously the friendship turning romantic I think that intensified as the years went on I think with the breakdown of her relationship was Carl I don't know if Sharon from what we know like really acknowledged that and like I think she acknowledged the breakdown of the relationship I don't know if she acknowledged like.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: her now no longer being a figure for Lindsay in that way.
49:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember on that season where they were broke up, one week was her telling Carl to end it with Lindsay when the Carl went and talked to Sharon and her new partner.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: The next week was Lindsay's bridal shower where she came in with this weird energy and talked about Lauren work is, but then also supported the relationship
49:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of, it's confusing message to be sending.
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: She called her mean last season.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like Lindsey went in trying to avoid and Sharon didn't.
50:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd understand respect your elders, but also like that that doesn't erase genuine hurt and disappointment that you have on the other side of that in the other person.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I come from the other and different and having been married for 19 years.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: to a man who only has a brother.
50:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So similar kind of family structure.
50:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So a mother-in-law, who was just since past, by the way, but didn't have daughters.
50:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, I didn't matter what I ever did.
50:43
[SPEAKER_01]: you will never be in the same alignment as the sun.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The sun is the priority.
50:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have a sun now, I have four daughters, and I have a sun.
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get it now even more, so now that I have a sun, my suns well-being is my priority.
50:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't matter what young woman comes into our lives, my sun will always be a priority.
51:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that, that's just an innate thing, a protection of your child.
51:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Make total sense.
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I also have had a parent abandon me, a dad, so I have empathy because it's deeply painful.
51:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have come to an understanding my own life experience, interviewing people for so long, knowing other people that have had some large experiences that we often have expectations of people that I think are unrealistic.
51:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think her expectation of Carl's mother to embrace her and to support her in that time where their relationship was unraveling and they clearly should not have gotten married.
51:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
51:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think her expectations of his mother were a little bit unrealistic.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was projecting a lot of her feelings about her own mother on to somebody, who's just not your mother and never will be.
52:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there.
52:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really painful, but it takes like a minute to kind of walk away having some breathing space.
52:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And she probably, in the six months after, should have approached her, obviously off-screen.
52:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And just had a conversation, I know that you're not my mother.
52:22
[SPEAKER_01]: but I just want to talk this out a little bit.
52:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You are really special to me for a period of time.
52:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm having a hard time letting go of that.
52:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that I haven't done anything to upset you, but although it's not going to work out with him, I want you to know that in this space of time, like you were really important to me.
52:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she had done that.
52:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been better.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's also a communications professional just like I am.
52:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a publicist like her before
52:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think words matter, and I think in the moment she's on a television show that's going to live in perpetuity.
52:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And she has a young girl.
53:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that message that you want to send to your daughter, but most importantly to yourself, because you're going to go back and look at it is, success is having a life well-lived.
53:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not making other people feel uncomfortable in moments and being dismissive.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She could have turned around and said the following.
53:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful to see you.
53:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really proud of Carl.
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I'm really happy for him.
53:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit uncomfortable to see you at some point I love to talk to you privately.
53:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for asking about my daughter.
53:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's catch up soon.
53:40
[SPEAKER_00]: She could have done that.
53:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Sharon, by approaching her made her uncomfortable at base level, and they're on a team show.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would she not expect that his mom's going to come up to her on a, like on the set, like the boys also call her mean on national television the year before.
53:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have to be honest with you.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a little mean.
53:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But to Sharon, she said she was mean to me when was she mean to Sharon before that.
54:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see an example of that.
54:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
54:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't we don't know because we don't we're not all those moments, but she does come across.
54:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard about it.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It does come across as mean.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is totally a valid read of her.
54:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that Sharon by approaching Lindsey did the wrong thing personally.
54:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she needed to approach her, given the history.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think to expect Lindsey to like have had that conversation, take the high road.
54:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I say, I say you take the high road.
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Lindsay is one of the better reality stars in this space because she's not gonna necessarily do that.
54:41
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna give the moment.
54:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But not everything has to be so volatile.
54:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a big, a great reality moment is high road.
54:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And having a moment where the viewer goes, I've lived that, I've been that before.
54:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, maybe I should look at life that way.
54:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
55:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with that.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree.
55:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't see it as it, I guess I'm black and white as it, I think people are viewing it.
55:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, well of course, because you know, or personally, yeah, and it's informed by this, it of course, so I'm not gonna, I would never ignore that or like deny that.
55:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
55:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a very layered thing, and I don't know if it like will continue or not, but like, there is a real tension.
55:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's real tension.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to watch scenes between the two of them on camera.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of a emblematic of a lot of relationships that don't work out on reality TV where I just jump through the screen.
55:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing with page and Craig.
55:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Like as your older sister for hand, I want to be like, it's okay.
55:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you guys are going to be so happy that you didn't get married that you're not together anymore.
55:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're happy together.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get to that place, but I don't.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There's open wounds still.
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is just tries to be so respectful to her and she just is so mean to him all the time where I got, I wanna go, you know what?
56:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a good life.
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a daughter, your work, your successful.
56:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a great network of friends.
56:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you don't need to harbor this resentment so much.
56:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you gotta let it go a bit because it's an us, again, the best revenge in life is a life well-lipped.
56:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's well-plated.
56:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good reminder.
56:29
[SPEAKER_00]: The last thing that sort of came out of this soft bar thing that I think is teeing up in the city in one way is the Danielle and Lindsay thing where they don't talk to each other at this at the soft bar opening, because they haven't spoken since the previous season aired, her lens on this show because of Danielle shading professionals about her.
56:48
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see how do you feel about Danielle being back in the mix and that that dynamic being explored in this in this
56:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I love is that they're like Danielle's witchy.
57:00
[SPEAKER_01]: She like no stuff.
57:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They want someone like that.
57:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You need somebody who knows we're all the skeletons that've been buried and we'll bring stuff out.
57:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I love, I dig that.
57:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like, wherever Danielle goes, drama kind of follows like that.
57:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very much cheating up, I think, to spin off.
57:17
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's summer house.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to quickly ask you some things about the valley, which I can't decide how I feel about this season so far.
57:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it just reminds me of like a window in my life.
57:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
57:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if you haven't had a baby and like gone through, like the period of postpartum.
57:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean postpartum.
57:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The actual diagnosis.
57:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying the period of time after you have a baby.
57:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just a snapshot of this very specific point in your life.
57:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So it just, it's I'm, I actually feel nostalgic about it.
57:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for anybody who's had a child, you kind of look back with pride, like me and I made it through that really hard time.
58:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I can completely understand why people who haven't been through all of that experience would be like, this is boring shit.
58:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I only want to find a boring.
58:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I almost feel like we're like, okay, it's another season of Janet and Kristen and then Zach and and all of them like trying to, I'm Brittany like trying to play like,
58:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even pay attention to that stuff.
58:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think that's like by the wayside.
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more like into Kristen versus Luke.
58:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Nia versus Danny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Danny kind of gives me like preacher vibes.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he started a mega shirt piece, he gives me the TVG piece.
58:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised.
58:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like what I'm watching that show.
58:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like at what point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: is Nick and I like breakdown because I feel like she feels like it's a ticking time bomb.
58:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, I don't, Janet, I don't even pay attention to that.
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of like, look, it's to me.
58:55
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a show about these two couples the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
58:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And then so that's Nick and Danny are thoughts on them.
59:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Kristen and Luke.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Luke, I like them.
59:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I hate, I know.
59:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to save Kristen.
59:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really bad.
59:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's another one where I might...
59:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be okay if you're not with him.
59:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be okay.
59:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically seems like a nice dad.
59:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He won.
59:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's good, he's good, good, good, good, good dad.
59:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But you personally, this is not it.
59:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll be okay.
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like so soon after her having a baby for like him to be pressuring her in this way.
59:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so crazy.
59:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell you.
59:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I I don't want you to throw up.
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to throw up.
59:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
59:46
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no there's no just like it's TMI when it comes to me.
59:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever you're going to have.
59:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you have a baby and you come home and you have blood clots for six weeks giant blood clots that are coming out of your vagina in the shower in your underwear.
59:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you're breastfeeding, you continue to have contractions.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of like kind of go away maybe at like two weeks, but then you get cracked nipples where your skin is like splitting and bleeding, and you are consumed by the contractions of your uterus, your cracked nipples, your blood clots.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is like, even if you work out, I worked out all the time still.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's soft in areas, it's like,
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's moving your, your, everything is different and are trying to adjust back to their original position.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So to have this asshole asking, well, when he, okay, so my one friend is a pediatrician.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_01]: She told me that once she's like Kate, one time I went to one of the rooms after the baby was born and the, and the mom is laying in the bed and she's like, like, or at least servicing that that she's like, I want to disagree.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_01]: my jaws.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how selfish some of these men are.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like my needs, like, and you're sleep deprived and you're, and you're taking care of your, you're looking after a new board.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at the 80.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Your life's totally adjusted.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen your friends.
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You're on camera.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You're crazy.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You're on camera.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You're on camera.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, we look like that one scene, they went right into her cellulite.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have body
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It would check if you're on reality TV, like you probably do.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we all do, but it's like...
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like...
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I just was like, why would they do that to her?
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am very pro-Christian.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I will fly the flag for her.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be here for her.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: For her.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, what she's going through and for this jackass to be going over and like complaining, she's not giving him sex.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what an asshole.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's just being so...
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the editors hate them too.
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they love they really love Kristen and their matches with this but Dodo bird and the way like he wore those socks and then they let go.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_00]: This socks.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They're taking the spoon and digging through the half of the water melon.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they hate them too.
1:02:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really dark.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you're not paying attention to this part of it, but I do want to know it because I like when you have these read on friendships and stuff, Britney's position and this whole thing, with Janet and Kristen and all this, like, she hasn't learned how to handle this years into it.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She, you know, I'm kind of, I'm kind of done like feeling bad for like Britney being caught in the middle of not having a single like, like, like, like, like, take a stand.
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everybody gets cuts this friend off out of their group, like they're okay and like the, like, the 20 to like, I don't know, 20 to 28.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But 28, you're like, okay, she's annoying.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And by 30 gone, they cut her off.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I don't need this.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But the difference is that she's the center of this show.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think you see, she though, I think she's center of the graphic.
1:02:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she was a leader with Jacks.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I kind of see her as the center of it.
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if that's misguided, I guess, at this point.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's misguided because I- She's the conaster.
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_01]: This shit, I don't even think so.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I actually think Lala is like pushing, bringing out that she's moving into it.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You want a friend at age 30, you know, like 27 to 34 who will stand up for you, give it to your straight, support you, be, you know, be your super fan, all those things, Britney's one note.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually, I'm actually really glad they brought in Mala.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too and I don't think I've already I didn't think that but I I And then you know what and when I watch her I go oh, that's the that's the real.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that's who you really are you were the other person.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She says what's actually on her mind She like she will I think that she got too wrapped up in the post-scandable like Producers in her ear like yes, you know not wind this ability The whole thing.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she totally got caught up in that.
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_00]: She needed the break and she
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think somebody like Lala's meant to be on reality television.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's very good at this She's not not everybody's gonna receive her well right now.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm receiving her well though.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I am that's why she's better than Carl's ex She's better reality star because she's not always a tent.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_01]: She'll come down to one and go I messed up And I bait bad decisions and I need help You got you got to move down.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to absent flows
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she, I, I really like what she's bringing to the valley.
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, she's, to me, she feels like she's supposed to be there shorts.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm done with this steak, Michelle shorts, storyline, and he has a girlfriend in real life now.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and she's with Dr. Dre.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, what do we do in here?
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about a life well-lived, Dr. Dre.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let Michelle, Michelle knows how to get a bag.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting person to say with a dinner party.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but there's also a lot of accusations against him.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, interesting.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, okay, what is going to happen?
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, tell me what I need to know.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw somebody myself.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw somebody post this morning.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine Dr. Dre right to talk about Jesse Lali.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't stoop solo.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to pretend that guy doesn't even exist.
1:05:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:05:20
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get, she just doesn't seem so nice to him.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, um, let's see, yeah, she and I think he like, I think he likes women that treat him.
1:05:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_00]: She likes him.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, don't say that.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't say this.
1:05:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like Lisa, you against my against my better judgment, but, um, I kind of like her vibe sometimes.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_00]: but I also like Michelle.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, I think that's kind of, again, the valley like there's not that much sun pack with the show right now and that's, I don't, I don't dislike it, but I'm not like loving it so far.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I enjoy having it to watch every single week, I guess.
1:05:57
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1:06:32
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1:06:39
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1:06:42
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1:06:50
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1:06:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I just interviewed a woman who's like, okay, here's the story.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I took a DNA test and it turns out my father is not my father, my real father is my dad's best friend.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So like stuff like that.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good tea.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, yeah, speaking of DNA tests.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why the fuck have they not done a paternity test?
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Allala's baby with Luke.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm decided.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the father.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, I'm sorry.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I understand that it was fresher, sperm or whatever.
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I need, I need that there were union for there to be DNA tests revealed.
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're keep, they keep on talking around it in the after show.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm sorry, on paper.
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of crazy.
1:07:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that we haven't gotten a 100% answer either way is crazy.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I need that for much to sleep at night, honestly.
1:07:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We, you've clearly watched too many true crime documentaries.
1:07:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And I still wish you for that.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_00]: We're also all conspiracy minded these days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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