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SMNTY Classics: Prey · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not good to stuff.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I never told you Production by Heart Radio, and today
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: we are bringing back a pretty recent ish one about
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: the film Pray, which was a twenty twenty two prequel
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: to the Predator movies that was notable for a lot
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: of reasons that we discussed in this episode. But they're
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: coming up with a sequel.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, finally, I know.
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: I don't. I think it's gonna be next year.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Way is it gonna be the same actress?
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think so, but I don't hold me to
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: that because there's something interesting going on in the Predator
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: universe where I think like somehow two different companies have it.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's two different movies coming out
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  Speaker 1: and they're not necessarily related. I'm not sure, but I'm
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: I am fairly certain there is one coming out that
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: it's a sequel to Pray, but I think there's another
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  Speaker 1: one coming out that may or may not be related.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, I'm gonna I've been
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: wanting to rewatch this. I was going to rewatch it
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: for Halloween and then I didn't get too But I
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: was so beautiful I think I watched it at your apartment. No,
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: at your house you had those sounds.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, you and my partner I think watched it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think.
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  Speaker 2: I was just really tired or were we won't show
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  Speaker 2: up in animals and die one of those two things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you did watch it, but I do you weren't
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  Speaker 3: there that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was, and then y'all had it on full
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  Speaker 2: blasts around sound at that point.
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  Speaker 3: It was great. It was great.
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: I care, I loved it, but yes, please enjoy this
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: classic episode.
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not good to Stephan. Never told you a protection
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. And welcome to a feminist movie Wednesday. I say, yes, Yeah,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: it might be a Friday, but I'm pretty sure it's
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: a Wednesday.
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, who knows when you're listening to it, though
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: it could be a Friday or Tuesday.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: What what?
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: You can have feminist movie time whenever you like. Yes,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: and today we are talking about a very recent movie.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: It came out this year. In fact, Pray, So there
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  Speaker 1: will be an intense spoilers. I don't know if that's
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: the word I want to use, but that's the word
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: that we're going with there's gonna be a lot of spoilers, yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: and you can see you Are Mary Sue episode for
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: more information. Actually, we are going to talk about that
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit more and why that's relevant to this
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: conversation in this episode. But we did talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in our episode on Mary Sues, where I defended them
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  Speaker 1: at length.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: She did she had a lot of thoughts.
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: I I have so many thoughts.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: About marys Oh my gosh, and I will be talking
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: about them in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I love this movie. I love it.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: I watched it recently for Halloween with the first time viewer.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: We had such a fun time. I watched it last
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: night and preparation for this, and then I actually watched
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: it at your place, Yeah, for the first time, right
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: when it came out with surround sound, and whoa, I
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: was jumping all about.
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: I was very very nervous, Yeah.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: With a surround sound especially, and then I was also
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: incredibly obnoxious because there's a scene where people speak French
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: and it's not subtitled, and I was appropriately I was
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: appropriately tipsy enough where I was like, I'm a genius
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  Speaker 1: and I will translate this for you.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, came back sober a week later to let
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: us know she's still a genius because correct, that does
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  Speaker 2: not have subtitles, and so what would you do without
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: like me? That was that came later.
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  Speaker 3: So it was such a good friend. I'm such a lovely,
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  Speaker 3: fun friend.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I wasn't even a part of it.
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  Speaker 1: I was just told yes, because you were like, I
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: will watch this later.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: I am. I am sleepy, but you have seen it.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: I have. I really liked it. So here's my thing
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  Speaker 2: about alien horror films. I'm not a huge fan of
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: sci fi. I'm a huge fan of fantasy. I think
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  Speaker 2: I've talked about this before. Anything gruesome, I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: huge fan either. Like, if it's like Kitchi Gruesome, I
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  Speaker 2: can get past it. Bodies, bodies, bodies, perfect example, Kitchi
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  Speaker 2: Gruesome even screamed, but like the newer one was still
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  Speaker 2: like that's a little much. So I don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do like torture stuff. I don't do really
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  Speaker 2: like intense murder things. So pray being along the lines
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  Speaker 2: of the Predator, I've never been a huge fan, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care. But then the way everybody
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  Speaker 2: kind of was so hyped by the characters and like
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  Speaker 2: the nuance of it. I was like, okay, I'm down,
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  Speaker 2: and I do love that type of so it took
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  Speaker 2: me a minute to get convinced to watch it. As
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: much as I do love horror, I don't love Gore.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, cocoa cool and now like
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  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. So yes, I did watch it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it very much. So I really recommend it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to talk about how much I
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  Speaker 2: recommend it throughout, so.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: Ahead and get into so plot. The plot.
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  Speaker 1: Prey is yes, a sci fi horror movie with a
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  Speaker 1: historical bent, and it is out of the Predator franchise,
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  Speaker 1: which I know I mentioned before, but I had a
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  Speaker 1: great love of when I was a child. I watched
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  Speaker 1: it at my sixteenth birthday. That's what we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 1: It is the fifth one, but it's a prequel to
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  Speaker 1: all of them. It debuted on Hulu in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two and it was its number one debut of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds pretty high there, apparently, Yes, I like for all record.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes you can still stream it there
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  Speaker 1: currently not a sponsor, but has been in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Just fans, Just fans.
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  Speaker 1: It was directed by Dan Trachenberg and written by Patrick Eisen,
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  Speaker 1: and the largely indigenous cast stars Amber mid Thunder, Dikota Beavers,
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  Speaker 1: Dane di Riegro, Michelle Thrush Storm and Kit, Julian Black
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  Speaker 1: Antelope and Bennett Taylor. The creators originally pitched it as
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: a film that would quote follow a Comanche woman who
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior,
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  Speaker 1: which I would say is a pretty good description of
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  Speaker 1: what happened. One of the producers, I think it's Jane Myers,
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: but forgive me if I has pronounced it, let me know,
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  Speaker 1: is a member of both the Comanche and Blackfeet nations.
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  Speaker 1: It was shot in English and the Commanchee language, and
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  Speaker 1: it is the first feature film to have a full
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  Speaker 1: commanche language dub, which we're going to talk about later.
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  Speaker 1: It was incredibly well received, with many putting it at
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  Speaker 1: or above the original in terms of quality. People praise
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  Speaker 1: the acting, the cinematography, the attention to history and detail,
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  Speaker 1: the pacing. Some compared mid Thunder, who plays the main character, Nauru,
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  Speaker 1: to Aliens Ellen Ripley. It's fun and tense and moving
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  Speaker 1: and beautiful. My friend who I watched it with over
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  Speaker 1: Halloween said, this isn't just a good Predator movie. This
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  Speaker 1: is like a really good movie, right, and it does
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  Speaker 1: work as a standalone, Like you don't have to see
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  Speaker 1: the other Predator movies for this to work.
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  Speaker 2: And I have not, and I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: See.
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  Speaker 1: See, they did make a great effort to be historically accurate.
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  Speaker 1: The cast and crew were given this huge binder of
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: info around that, including like time appropriate toothbrushes, like Naru
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: there's a scene where you see her using one. Also
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to shout out that it was composed by Sarah Shackner,
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: and we know that women in the space of composing
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: are pretty rare. The flute and vocals was done by
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Native American musician Robert Mirabel. But I actually really like
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  Speaker 1: the music. It's very intense, A lot of it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's very intense.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So the film takes place in North American Northern Great
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  Speaker 2: Plains area in seventeen nineteen. It follows Naru played by
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  Speaker 2: mid Thunder, and her cada and companion, who, by the way,
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: for those in Georgia, came from the same animal shelter
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: slash Lifeline center that my dog came from.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, and we're going to be talking about Coco. Her
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: name is a little bit as a bonus at the end,
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  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, but.
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  Speaker 2: I still love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So Naru is a young Manchi woman who has been
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: trained in the ways of healing, but has a passion
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  Speaker 2: and talent for hunting, one she shares with her brother Tabe.
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  Speaker 2: Her and Tabe have a close relationship, and Tabe supports
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  Speaker 2: her while also calling out what he sees as her
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  Speaker 2: flaws and pushing her to be better. Yeah, but he's
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  Speaker 2: also showing her up a lot. Very early on, it
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  Speaker 2: becomes clear that Nauru's strategy involves more patience and observation
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  Speaker 2: than Tabe's, though this is coupled with Tabe's longer experience
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  Speaker 2: because the community is pushing Nauru to give up on
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  Speaker 2: hunting and accept her more acceptable position as a healer
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  Speaker 2: as a woman, which she is also good at she
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  Speaker 2: learned from her grandmother, but still so Toabi described his
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  Speaker 2: rite of passage, where you hunt those that would hunt you,
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  Speaker 2: and believes she might not be able to do it.
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  Speaker 2: He kills the hawk before she can. Though she was
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  Speaker 2: waiting for it to cuckle back for easier retrieval. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: showing her up.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, Yeah, Well, there's so many signs throughout
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  Speaker 1: where she's like clear, she's waiting, she's right, patient and
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  Speaker 1: a and she was trying to make it easier to
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  Speaker 1: retrieve it, but he shot it, so now they have
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  Speaker 1: to go across the river to get it.
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  Speaker 3: Naru is determined to prove herself.
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  Speaker 1: She goes out with Saddi, who yes, this dog Coco
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  Speaker 1: that we mentioned to track a deer and she does
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: like these awesome kick sliding moves. They're hard to describe,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: but you've got to see it. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah,
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: when she sees this fiery light in the sky, the audience,
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: or I would assume most of us, maybe not you, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't seen predator, but you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, we know that it's predators.
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  Speaker 1: She did, but Naru believes it is the legendary thunderbird
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  Speaker 1: and it's a sign that she should go on her
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  Speaker 1: own right of passage to prove that she is a hunter.
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  Speaker 1: And this opportunity to do so calms up when one
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  Speaker 1: of the members of the tribe is taken by a
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: mountain lion and She convinces her brother to let her
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: go on the hunt, and he agrees, but it's more like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you track. You're a good tracker. I'll you
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: if he needs medical help. You're really good at that.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: The other men in the Green bir extremely doubtful of
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  Speaker 1: her skills, vocally pretty much outright undermining her and mocking her.
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  Speaker 1: One of the men says, we won't be gone long
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: enough to need a cook.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. So they find the hunter and Naru treats him,
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: including giving him something that lowers his body temperature. She
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: is pressured to return with him to their settlement while
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: Taba goes on to hunt this mountain lion, which by
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: the way, is really scared looking. When Naaru discovers a
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: snake that has been skinned and split, along with huge prints,
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  Speaker 2: and it goes back to find Tabe with another member
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  Speaker 2: of the tribe who's really giving her a hard time.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: Because they just all give her a hard time. Naru
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: convinces Tabe to go with her plan of setting a
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  Speaker 2: trap for the mountain lion in spite of the opposition
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  Speaker 2: from the other men, but Tabe tells her this is
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: her ride of passage and that she should tell him
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: this is as far as you go and that's it.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a recurring thing that comes up through
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: this movie. So basically you're telling the creature that's hunting
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  Speaker 1: you in this right of passage like this is it
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  Speaker 1: for you.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: This is the end of the line.
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  Speaker 1: So her and the man hassling her wait in a
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  Speaker 1: tree after he tells her a hunter doesn't wait.
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  Speaker 3: He says, he he hunts, and.
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  Speaker 1: If you're scared, go back to camp where you belong,
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  Speaker 1: and he continues to hassle her, and sold the mountain
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  Speaker 1: lion jumps into the tree and kills him.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, Naru faces off with it.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: There's a really cool like spitting camera scene at this part,
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  Speaker 1: and amazing balancing skills from her.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, whoa when Predator.
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  Speaker 1: He's off in the woods hunting something, doing something, So
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: he distracts her with some sounds and lights in the distance,
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  Speaker 1: so she falls out of the tree, hits her head
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  Speaker 1: and passes out.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, by the way, this.
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  Speaker 1: Whole thing we've been describing has been cut in with
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: scenes of Predator hunting animals, and so a very brief
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: rundown of Predator. As someone who has seen all of
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: the movies, predator's whole deal is that he has to
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  Speaker 1: find the most dangerous predator slash hunter in an ecosystem
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  Speaker 1: and kill it for his own rights of passage. And
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  Speaker 1: I do think most of them are men, although I
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: think there is some women. But anyway, he watches and
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: assesses a threat. So when you see kind of the
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  Speaker 1: like graphics from his helmet, is basically like calculating how
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  Speaker 1: big of a threat they are, learns their moves, takes
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: them out. Uh, And yeah, he has a lot of
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of tech and is invisible.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: Which I think is kind of a cheat, but whatever.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Also he collects skulls in their spines and he puts
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  Speaker 1: them on their ship. And that's how you prove that
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: you did you succeeded in your rite of passage.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, basically you're trying.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to find the top who can I take
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  Speaker 1: out that's going to really prove I am number one
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  Speaker 1: in this hunting game.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say the entire time was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is not fair. There's nothing about this that he has
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  Speaker 2: all this technology that has nothing to do with They
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: don't have any of this, And I'm like, and also
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: his armorers piers from come on Yeah. Oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's a challenge.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting character because he doesn't like in an
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: alien versus predator which you yes to have seen, Like
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  Speaker 1: he won't kill somebody who's cancer, Like there's a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of rules that they follow.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm like, but right, but you're.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of using all this technology anyway. When Naru wakes,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: she has a massive headache and her brother is announced
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  Speaker 1: as war chief. After he returns from killing the Mountain Lion,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: has the Mountain Lion carcass. Naru confronts him, trying to
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  Speaker 1: convince him there's a threat like they've never seen out there,
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  Speaker 1: but Tabay tells her that she's done, that he had
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: to carry her unconscious body back, that she wasn't fit
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  Speaker 1: to be a hunter, she couldn't finish the job.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Well, determined to find proof of this thread,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and Nauru goes off with Sari and she comes across
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: an entire field of skinned buffalo is pretty gruesome. Confused
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  Speaker 2: and unsettled by the needless waist that she says a
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: prayer over them, and then she practices with her axe
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: and attaches a hand woven cord to it. For quick retrieval.
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  Speaker 2: Very smart. Yes, she falls into a bog and almost
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: drowns in it, but is able to pull herself out
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: with this axe and cord. Hello. And then she and
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: sorry are attacked by a bear and are forced to
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  Speaker 2: flee not take shelter in the water under a beaver dam,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: and witnesses an invisible creature take on and kill the bear.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: All you see is like wavy figures. Yeah, taking on
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  Speaker 2: a ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She frantically swims away downstream, where she's captured by some
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: comanche sent to get her. They fight, and she puts
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: up a good fight before the men bind her, and
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: she tries to tell them about the invisible threat, but
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: they ignore her until it the predator arrives and starts
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: to kill them all off because you know, they also
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: put up a good fight, but they die. Predator doesn't
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  Speaker 2: see Nauru, now caught in a foothold trap, as a
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: threat and leaves her alive. But then the French colonizers
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: responsible for the skinning and slaughtering of the bison come around,
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  Speaker 2: capture her and cage her. This is where any skills
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: come into play.
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  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I was so frustrating. I apologize yeah. I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: think I was just so happy.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, Because this is this following sequence is
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: largely in unsubtitled French, so they're just speaking in French,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: but it's not there's no subtitles, but they do this.
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  Speaker 3: These French colonades bring out.
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  Speaker 1: Their interpreter to ask Naru about Predator, who they have
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: dealt with before and are trying to hunt. She won't cooperate,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: so they reveal that they have her brother, Tabe, and
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: they torture him in front of her. The pair are
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: tied to a tree as bait for Predator. Tabe tells
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: her that her plan with the Mountain Lion worked, that
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: she weakened it and that's why he was able to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: capture it and kill it. She in turn tells him
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that Predator won't target them while they are bound, like
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't hunt that way. There is an epic battle
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: scene of Predator using all of his outer space gadgets
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: to decimate the frenchman, while Anaru tells a story that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: culminates in her saying she's smarter than a beaver. Basically,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: it's like building up for you to think she's going
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: to cut off her own hand, but then She's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, but I'm smarter than a beaver. It's really satisfying.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: She uses the foothold trap to cut their vines and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: free them. Tabe goes to get a horse, while Nauru
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: returns to the French encampment to rescue Sarni and expertly
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: takes out some frenchmen along the way.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: It's very beautifully choreographed fight scene.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, delightful. So the interpreter from earlier is now dying
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and begs for her help, promising he'll teach her to
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: use their firearms if she helps them. She does so,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: giving him the same ingredient from earlier that makes the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: temperature drop. She's unimpressed with the firearm and how it works,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: but takes it, abadoning him when predator arrives. Gotta do
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what you gotta do. She observes that the predator can't
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: seem to see the still alive interpreter, realizing that that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: is because his body heat is low. However, the interpreter
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: accidentally a large predator to his presence, and predator kills
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: him and is about to kill Naru after the firearm
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: didn't run for her. When Tabe arrives on a horse
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to distract him.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Very sad, yes, I mean, but also very skillfully, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: might add. So yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: They work together to weaken Predator, but Predator kills Tabe.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: He uses his last action to give Naruo a chance
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to escape. However, naru has observed how Predator's helmet targeting
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: system works and has an idea, so she tracks down
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: one of the surviving Frenchmen and uses him as bait.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: She eats that herb to lower her body temperature because
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: she's observed that Predator can't see if the body temperature
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: is lower, before using the pistol to shoot off and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: steal Predator's mask, and also cuts off his arm and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: rips off one of his mandibles. In the ensuing battle,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: she tricks Predator into the bog she'd almost died in
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: earlier and severely injures him. Predator uses his targeting system
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: against her, but Nauru uses it against him via his
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: stolen face mask and the spear meant for Naru kills
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Predator instead, and she tells him not one step further.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: This is as far as you come.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: She cuts off Predator's head and returns to her camp
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: carrying it, her face smearred with green blood. She is
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: named the new war Chief. I will say as a
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: young girl looks on and just clearly like, oh wow,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I can be me right, Oh my gosh.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I love this movie. It's so good. It's so good.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about some themes here, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: we're gonna start with the whole idea of this kind
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of gender norm about around being a warrior, and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the Mary.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Sue fallout that came from this.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And one of the things I really do like about
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: this movie is that it is Naru's story.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: It's not Predator's story. He's in it, he's a villain.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He has some cool scenes, but it's definitely not about Predator,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: which I love. And also I do like that there
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: are so many things throughout this movie where you see
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Nauru's watching and waiting and listening I'm observing and learning
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: from that, and how that all pays off in the end,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: even though she's being made fun of it constantly. That
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: guy I was talking about earlier, he was kind of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: always hassling her. He said, like, you know, a hunter hunts,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they don't wait, But that was her thing, that she
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was always observing, watching, waiting, and that is why she
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: was able to defeat Predator. And I don't want to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: jump too much into the Mary C critique yet, but
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, oh, Arnold Swarzenegger is
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so tough, so many muscles.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Of course he could beat Predator. That's not how he
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: beat Predator.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He beat Predator after all of his crew was destroyed.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: All of these manly army men were destroyed. He had
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to learn and to watch them, to observe. It's the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: same thing. It's about hunting and watching and observing. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I think that that argument is just dismissing what the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: original was about.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: He did not win that because of his muscles or strength.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: He won that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Because he observed and found weaknesses. And that's what she's doing,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like just so competent. Oh yes, and I do. There's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of scenes because I saw some people. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: guess if I'm not making it clear. There was a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: huge backlash from mostly men on the internet about her
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: after this came out, like she could there's no way
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: she could have beat Predator, and some of those arguments,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it's trying to be like, well, we see so many
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: instances of her failing. I would argue that one, you've
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: been mad if she had succeeded at everything, because that's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: what Mary Sue is. But anyway, but also that's when
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: she's trying to do what these men are telling her
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to do, when she's just trying to do it without
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: observing or watching. When she tries to do that, she misses.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: She is somebody who adapts, and so like when she
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: makes that retractable ax, like she sees a problem with
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the acts, right, she makes it retractable with the cord,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and then immediately after you see she's killed like I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't know five seven rabbits, right, So she's somebody who's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like smart and cunning and very very capable, but is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: always adapting to what she's seeing, right, right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And also like the failures are not necessarily because she
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: couldn't do it, is because something was a mess.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost always predators in the background making noise.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And I mean that's another point that I don't think
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: we're going to go into too much in this, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we've talked about that before of the woman in horror
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: often who's like, hey, I think something's wrong, and.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: She's like warning everyone, Hey, there's something bad out there.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: You are not listening and they're all like, I'm not
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: afraid of a bear, and she's like, I'm telling you,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's not a bear.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like we're not talking about it,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: but paranormal activity. I watched it again, You're like the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: entire time, I'm the man. I can fight this goes,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I can hail it. It's me. I can do this.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I can take care of us. You did, yeah, oh
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: yeah you did.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, if we disregard all the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: other ones, I think she would have been fine without him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: He really screwed it up. But anyway, he did, he
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: sure did. But yeah, she was.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: She was just clearly competent, and people didn't listen to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: her or we're just like, but you're good at medicine though, yeah, yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but you're good at that, and that's more appropriate for women,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is that you should do this. But there I do
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have a lot of instances of if I can just
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: talk about how cool she is, like when she so
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: there's so many things that I think when you're watching
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it the first time, you're just like, oh yeah, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: if you actually kind of pay attention to the story
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and all of the seeds, they planted and all the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: payoff that is there, Like she uses the foothold trap
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: after witnessing it, like she uses the gun after witnessing it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: She uses Predator's helmet after witnessing it, like she's always watching, calculating, learning.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: She leads him into land that she knows better than
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a foreign invader, which is the same for the French colonizers.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: She does not give up, even when she fails, even
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: when no one believes her, and even when no one
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: thinks she can do it. She sees what you can't
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: see even as the viewer. There's one scene where she's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: fighting all the French people. You're like, oh, that's the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: last guy, and there's a guy behind her, but you
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: can't see her as the viewer, but she can and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: gets him, and it's just so satisfying, Like it is
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: hard earned bad assness that she has, Like she has
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: been doing this, she knows what she's doing and just
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like the way she dodges and sees that quick reflexes.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I do think it's really interesting and a purposeful take
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: on what is the threat right. Multiple times Predator has
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a chance to kill her and then doesn't because he
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't view her as a threat.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That's his whole thing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's because she's in one
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: way like entrapped or bound or something, but at least
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in one case, I'm pretty sure it's just because.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: He was like, nah, she off red, right, which I think.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Is really interesting because that's basically what the whole A
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: lot of these men who were hunters were telling her,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and even some like women, were like, Oh, you're just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: not a hunter, You're just not a threat, and even
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Predator was kind of like that, like me, yeah, And
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: she even says, I think at one point, like that's
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: why he doesn't see me as a threat, and that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: why I can get him, right, Yeah, And she does
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: have There's a lot of scenes where you see everyone
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: telling her like, oh, you can't hunt, and that's why
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: she says like, that's why I want to do it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: No one believes that I can.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And this is like her brother Predator, the French colonizers,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: everyone thinks say no better than her to different extents,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: And it's also pretty rewarding to see both the French
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: colonizers and the Predators tech like backfire on them, right.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That's pretty I love the scene where they're all trying
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to reload their weapons out right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: They deserved it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this is like Predator is essentially
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: saying she's less of a threat than a snake because
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he killed that snake, he skinned that snake, and he
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: let her be so whoom. Here's a quote from Din
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of Geek addressing the idea that the Commanche couldn't have
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: fought Predator, which is again missing the point. And this
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: is a lot of what came out of those like
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: angry white dudes at the end. The Commanche are generally
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: recognized as perhaps the fiercest warrior culture among the Native
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: American communities that lived among the Southern Plains. Historians even
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: attribute fear of the Commanche as creating the limited borders
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of both Bane and France's colonization projects in North America
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: during the eighteenth century, and the wars between Texan settlers
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and the Comanche and the nineteenth century remained the stuff
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of legend, right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think of all the tribes, I've definitely heard Commandchi
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: warrior more than any other. Not to negate that, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's one. I feel like it's legendary
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: for sure. So also a quote from Matgeable, they say,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: when I tell you that Naru kicks ass, I don't
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: think you'll understand quite how much ass she kicks. She's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: an ace with a tomahawk and a gifted tracker with
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: an excellent canine companion to boot. On top of all that,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Naru is smart. Her decisions such as fastening a rope
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to her tomahawk so she's always able to pull it
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: back to her consistently have satisfying narrative payoff. You want
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: her to succeed, not just because she's Pray's main character,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: but also because Pray makes it abundantly clear how capable
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: she is. It's true, it's a whole build up, which
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: is that weird, Like it's not a sud thing. You
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: see her building up to all of her crafts to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: be beyond good, which we've talked about with women in
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: general and those marginalized communities having to op prove themselves.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: This is that narrative.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, well we're gonna talk about it in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a second. But yeah, I mean it's too like you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: immediately are rooting for her. At least that was my experience.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I am so in with you.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Were amazing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't love her killing rabbits, but I know you gotta.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Eat, you gotta eat.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: She does become, as we said, the war chief in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the end, and I love when her and Tabe are
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: joking about, like Predator of all the right of passages.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You could have gone with right with this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But it is that was her right of passage. She
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: cut off his head, comes back with the blood smeared
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: on the ice. It's pretty pretty good. And I do
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like that overall, it's an amalgamation of her knowledge and tracking,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: healing and hunting that gave her leverage to beat Predator
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: in the end, like she was more well rounded outside
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of gender norms. Like she couldn't have done it without
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: her knowledge of medicine, right, she also couldn't have done
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it without her knowledge of hunting.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: It Like, I like that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It was that she's so skilled in all of these
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: things that you know are gendered, but she's crossing those norms. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, let's talk about this Mary Sue Blacklash,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: which again you can see our whole episode we did
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: on Mary Sue pretty recently where we talked about this
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: because after this movie came out, mary Sue started trending
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I knew it it was nothing to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: be good.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And when I saw it without seeing the movie Old
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: What's happening.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Yep, I was like, oh no, oh, no, no no.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And the reason it was trending was, as I said,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: because so many people, and I'm assuming most of them dudes,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that most of the articles were and videos were done
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: by dudes, thought that no, there's no way Nauru could
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: be that skilled, and there's no way she could have
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: taken on Predator. So essentially, if you haven't listened to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the Mary Suu episode of Mary Sue is a typically
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a woman character that is loved fictionally loved by everyone
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and is amazing and skilled and everything with one or
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: two endearing flaws. It's a term that has roots in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: fan fiction, but I do think the way that it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: thrown about in the mainstream media is very sexist and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: actually pretty devoid of what it actually was in fan
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: fiction in my opinion. But whatever very sexist in nature
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to mean essentially a competent, skilled woman, which.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: A woman could never be.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Unless we see her train a ton, which is often
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: an argument that comes up, and I'm like, well, here
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: it is you did see her train a ton and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that still wasn't enough. It's not believable and heavy quotes,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: never mind the liss male characters that match this criteria.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's very much like just in my opinion, it's a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: woman man character always gets called Mary Su these days,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: people argue that she's usually Mary suhs like Bland or
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't have much character development. But again, I think that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: just kind of main character stuff, and I would say
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Nauru has tons of character development. I don't know, but yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I mean people were trying to find like, well, she's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: bad at hunting, here's why, but also like she's too
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: good at hunting, and here's why. Like it's just so
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: many contradictions that they had, and yeah, like I said,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of that was she was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: struggling to adapt to a hunting style that wasn't natural
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to her when people kept telling her like stop waiting,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: stop waiting, and when she did do her own hunting style,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: she's the one that defeated predator, and she was consistently
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: distracted by Predator. As you said, here is a long
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: quote from Din of Geek that I want to include,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: since while before Prey was released, they've made their criticisms
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: known online, most of which are couched in thinly veiled
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: forms of bigotry and misogyny. It began when the first
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: teaser trailer appeared for Prey, which highlighted the terrifying technological
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: imbalance between Narro and a fellow Kamanche warrior and the Predator.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: In the original teaser, we see the pair hiding in
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: tall grass while one character draws bowstring and arrow from
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: his shoulder, and the Predator's infamous three pronged light, which
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: signifies death, appears on his head. By design, you are
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: meant to experience a realization of dread. By the contrast, however,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: many online influencers reacted with scorn the very idea of
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a Predator movie focusing on Native American warriors taking on
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a pop culture icon from the Reagan years, particularly since
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the main character among those warriors is a woman. Based
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: purely on the trailer, YouTubers were already reviewing Prey months
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: ago with headline It's like how to spoil a good
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: idea and then lamenting that the fan base quote just
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: wants a decent Predator movie instead of a king intersectional
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: struggle session. The same video, which we're purposefully not linking
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to here also snarks that unlike the muscular Arnold Schwarzenegger,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Mid Thunder quote has the size and build of a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: small child, and her facing off against the predator will
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: be quote in ludicrous. Since the movie's actual release, such
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: criticism hasn't gone away on social media apps like Twitter,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: where memes have gone viral depicting images of the cast
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of Predator nineteen eighty seven chextaposed against mid Thunder and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: text that reads a team of highly skilled badasses with
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: years of experience and almost no chance versus a predator.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: A girl with almost no experience beats a predator alone.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It is, of course, impossible to separate the misogyny and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: racist undertones of these critiques from any point they're trying
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to make. A predisposed need to dismiss any film, particularly
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in genre and fanboy fair as Ludacris are undeserving when
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: it stars a woman is as common as mindless uses
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of the term Mary Sue writing off Prey because it
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: stars a Comanche woman who's played by a woman of Lakota,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Nakota and Dakota heritage as the ultimate survivor, as opposed
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to a six foot two inches Austrian male bodybuilder. Is
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the point, Yes, yes, oh my gosh, this so.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Much that makes me mad about that?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like if you pick apart any of this,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: it falls apart. Like I've said a million times, you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: can have critiques about writing, but a lot of this
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is just sexist and racist, and basically what you're saying,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like the line where you're like one unskilled woman alone,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't she wasn't unskilled. And also, like I said, all
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of Arnold Swartzenegger's crew got destroyed, and if they had
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: all of these weapons and training or whatever, she had
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: just as much training but whatever, And the way he
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  Speaker 1: survived was doing by what she did, which was observing
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  Speaker 1: predator and finding flaws and hunting.
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  Speaker 2: But I really found that it weird that those who
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  Speaker 2: the ones I saw critiquing were critiquing her against Ripley
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: from Alien saying that Ripley, you know these are the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: reasons Ripley was Okay, there's no I'm like, wait, what
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: how are they different? Why do you why do you
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: accept one without the other? I'm confused.
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  Speaker 3: I really think there's a lot going on there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's probably racist but come on, Okay.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It's probably racist. But it's also like Ripley wasn't a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: very physical.
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  Speaker 3: Character.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Like she she has her moments, but she's mostly like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: playing and doing that kind of stuff, and this character not,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it was very physical. And I've just heard so many
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: arguments from people where they're like, but women biologically just
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: can't do that, And like, well, are you telling me
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: these superhero movies was white men they could just do that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that's true.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're listening to yourself.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Sir, exactly exactly. But also, Alien.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Was the first, and this is the fifth of a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: franchise that's already gotten a lot of fanboy gatekeeping going on,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and I do want to say, like, the original was
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: such a macho movie. So here's a quote from Vulture.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: The first Predator came out in nineteen eighty seven, at
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the peak of the muscle movie era, and it's ensemble
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: exuded levels of testosterum that can only really be obtained
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: with some anabolic assistance. Former wrestler and Minnesota governor Jesse
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Ventura slung around the kind of rotary machine gun usually
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: mounted to a helicopter. Carl Weathers engaged in a friendly
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: hand class that turned into an improp to arm wrestle
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that lives on in memes. And Arnold Schwarzenegger, the burliest
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of them all, played a smirking, sentient pectoral muscle with
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the undeniably badass nickname of Dutch. But however, given all
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of that, the creators have said the original was making
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: fun of this macho masculine idea that you can just
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: punch something and win, and the whole thing was super buff.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, the super buff Schwarzenegger couldn't beat Predator
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: until he started observing and using his brain. He reverted
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to less technologically advanced weapons to surprise Predator. So it
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: does once again feel like a very much missing of point.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think we, as I said, we were
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: so ready to pick apart, but physically that is not possible,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: or technically that's not possible with women, but we don't
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: do that with men, or not nearly as much with men,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: or we're just much more willing to go along with.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: The ride with male characters.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I also wanted to point out that we do
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: have in this movie prey women teaching and supporting and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: inspiring each other and other women in this, so you've
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: got Nara's grandmother and the girl watching Nara at the end.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: As we said, and I did want to include this
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: quote from Mid Thunder about the character, and she's been
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: very outspoken about playing against Hollywood tropes when it comes
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to Native Americans. She's definitely determined and hard headed and
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was a well written character. Through her journey, she's taught
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that the why and what you do matters. We had
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: weapon training with the Tomahawks, Lances, Knives, and Artrey. We
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: also developed a sign language. It was based off a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: real Comanche sign language mixed with our personal trainers gal
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: sign language. So she's got a lot of great quotes,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and that brings us to we're not gonna get too
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: much into this, but to the language part, because this
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: was historic, as we said at the top, to have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a full Comanche dub Comanche language is used in it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: The fact that they are not subtitles under the French
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: part really brings home that Narrow is clearly the hero
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of this and they are the villains and she wouldn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: understand their language, so it's from her point of view,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: but it is something that's like when I was reading
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: about it. It's seriously lacking in terms of what everything
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: else has been because this is this is a first
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and it's twenty twenty two, and I think the only
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: example I've found, the only other example I found was
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that Star Wars has been dubbed in NAVO. Oh really
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but yeah, there's just so much more ground
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: we could cover there, but that is that's something that's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: progressed and it was cool. And then here comes our
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: bonus about Coke. Okay, so Coco the dog scene stealer,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: as many people said, was an internet sensation after this
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: came out. Yes, and Coco was adopted from a Georgia,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a Georgia facility trained specifically for the film, and the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: very fond words of mid Thunder was a quote hot mess.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So it is very very fun to watch it, like
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: after your first watch through, watch it again and just
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: watch Coco because it's very funny.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shelter dog.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: So I was really surprised. I think my partner and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I both like because we found out that from Fulton
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: County and Shelter or a Lifeline, which is where our
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: pages is from. Very excited that they were purposely adopted
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: for this movie, and then but that, yeah, is not
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a trained dog, and they really really tried, but the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: dog was all over the place and apparently he's really
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: happy now and a good home. But it was just like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I love that even more because my dog would be
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that dog.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You should, Samantha, you should rewatch it and just watch
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Cocoa because it is very, very funny knowing she was
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: chaos and watching it being like, oh I see it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all like people were like, wow, wasn't
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: she Then more often they're like, look to the point, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: the thunder barely was like choose this fun dog like
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: way level like not want to be unprofessional and knowing
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that everybody loved this dog, but you didn't have to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: act with this dog. And I've heard many actors who
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: refuse to work with animals because it can be chaotic.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and I, like I said, I do
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: think that everybody loved her, but it is like, you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to film the scene and cocos but
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: there's multiple scenes where I was watching it with my
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: friend of her Halloween, when she was like, where's Cocoa,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm sure.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: That couldn't even get coc to do anything. So there
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: are a couple scenes where you're like, where is Coco?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Right? I said that. I was like, there's the dog.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Isn't the dog supposed to be here?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And I can only assume it's because they were like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: we can't Nope.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Done, We're done.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: We're done. Yes.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, But there's a lot of really fun memes about
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: her and stories about her if you want to look
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: those up. And then to end, I have a quote
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: from Deadline. The director puts his faith in a relative
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: newcomer to shoulder the movie. Women rarely get to be
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the heroes of these stories, and women of color are
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: often left out entirely. The cast is made up of
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: primarily indigenous actors, with a narrative that revolves solely around
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: their lived experiences. Trashenberg took an unprecedented risk here and succeeded.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Hopefully this will set the standard for the genre at large.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope so.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It as should be. Yeah, we want to see more
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, it's really really good. I really really
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like to Honestly, I could keep going and going, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I won't.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I would love listeners.
• 45:07
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• 45:10
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• 45:15
  Speaker 1: We've got a few that you all congested in the
• 45:18
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• 45:21
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• 45:23
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• 45:33
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• 45:35
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