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#249 - Longing for God's Presence (The Revival Legacy of Pastor Steve Gaines) · The OneCry Podcast

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He said, they started worrying less about having more people come to church.
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And they started thinking more about experiencing more of God at church.
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His statement was, if we build a service to attract the presence of God, God will attract
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people.
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Welcome to the One Cry Podcast, a nationwide call for spiritual awakening.
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The goal, accelerating the movement of God through sharing revival truth, stories, and
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reports.
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Well, welcome to the One Cry Podcast.
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I'm so glad you're joining us.
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We're just thrilled and honored, and as my granddaddy used to say, bum-fuzzled that you
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joined us.
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That's a good one right there.
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Bring that back, bum-fuzzled.
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We're grateful, and I'm Bill, and this is Kyle, and we love doing this together because
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we love each other.
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And we love that you let us come into your home and your car, your hearts, and just share
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truth and stir us up by way of reminder to love and good deeds.
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And today, for the next few weeks, we're going to do something very different.
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We had a dear friend of ours that just passed away that is one of the great men of the faith
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in our nation, and for many years was the pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis,
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one of the great churches in our country, really.
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And his name is Steve Gaines, and Kyle was closer to Steve than I was, although we were
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dear friends.
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But Kyle served on his staff, and really, Kyle, you can tell this, but Kyle came to
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Christ and was discipled under Steve and then served on his staff in Birmingham, Alabama
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at Gardendale Church.
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And Steve was a man that was shaped by revival, shaped by a movement of God, and we want to
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just talk about that, and we're going to use Steve as an illustration today, what an illustration
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he is, of just how the movements of God change people, how they shape people, how they're
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never the same after that.
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And Kyle, you were close to Steve.
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You saw this up close and personal.
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Yeah, man, I've just been thinking a lot about his life and then the lives of so many other
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men and women that had a season that shaped their life in ministry and what the implications
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of that has been and honestly will be.
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And what we need to believe for more moments for more men and women to be overcome by the
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presence of God and a real move of God, a little r-revival, maybe at a local church.
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We're believing for that widespread revival, and we're seeing the rumblings of, and I did
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get the privilege of getting to know Steve and his story, and so I'm sharing parts of
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it, and there's those that could share even more, but I have personal implications of
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his ministry.
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Came to know Christ, 19 years old, under the preaching.
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Steve Gaines saw a picture and a model of what a man of God called to preach was in
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those early years, and God used his ministry to awaken my calling to specifically preach,
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and so surrendered to preach underneath him, hired by him, really by his associate, David
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Jett, and got to serve alongside Steve for years there and shaped everything, honestly.
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The Lord has bolstered it and built on that through other men like you, Bill, and that
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helped me get a better picture of it, but what I want to do for just a few seconds is
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give you some timeline of things that I think shaped Steve's life, and I could lose it.
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Yeah, that's okay.
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Steve would lose it, he would absolutely lose it, and yeah, I want to know, because I don't
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know this, the experiences that he had and moments that he had, I saw the residual effects
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of that, and we want to talk about that.
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What are the things that were permanently in his life, but also, what were the moments
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that of encounters with God that just shaped him, so tell us a little bit about that from
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your time with him.
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Yeah, well, he came to know Christ in college and through the witness of FCA, he's a college
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football player, UT Martin, but it was also, Bill, tethered to the rumblings of the Jesus
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movement and what God was doing in the hearts of men in that era and day, and so, man, radical
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life transformation.
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If you ever heard, I heard a guy, a pastor say about Steve, he said, if you've ever heard
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Steve preach once, you've heard his testimony, because I never heard him preach where he
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didn't share it, which is, he just never got over the fact that Jesus reached down and
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saved a defensive lineman and turned it upside down, and so, from that, he felt calling the
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ministry early, went to Union University, met his amazing bride, Donna Gaines, all those
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things, and Steve, life of the party, I mean, walks in the room, big personality, all those
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things, and a heart for God.
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Now, what I want to talk about today, you know, really, and some things that happened,
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so he does well in ministry, several settings, and then finds himself at Garden Hill First
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Baptist, which is a good church outside of Birmingham, Alabama, but the things that shaped
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him and his ministry and then end up impacting us deeply was he got to a season, and he would
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say this, you've heard him say it, Bill.
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He wasn't tired of ministry, but he was tired in ministry, and he was like, there's got
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to be more, and then more noses and more nickels, is what he'd say there, and he goes, and Garden
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Hill was growing, but there, he found himself dissatisfied with just merely doing church
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and pastoring church, and there just had to be more to this than that, and he was an avid
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reader of the Bible, like he just consumed the scripture, and he was seeing it, he knew
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the rumblings of revival, he's heard of things like that, and you know, actually, a guy that
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was very influential in his life was he heard about Ronnie Floyd at doing a 40-day fast.
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He heard about it at the church, I think that's First Baptist Springdale, yeah, he heard about
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that, and just Ronnie speaking about it somewhere, and this is in the 90s, early 90s, and the
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Lord used it to plant a seed in Steve, how desperate are you willing to get for my movement
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and activity?
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And so, Steve started wrestling and seeing in the scripture, and to that point, had never
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really fasted and prayed, and felt like the Lord called him to a 40-day fast, and here's
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some things that I'm reminded of.
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He had to get empty, because Steve had a lot of natural giftings, like he had, you know
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this about him, that big personality, all those things, but it could lend itself to
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pride.
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Yeah.
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It could lend itself.
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And self-dependency.
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Yeah, self-dependency.
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You can't just do it on your own, yeah.
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Right, and what God did, and I'm saying this because he said this a million times, God
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used it to break him, to break him.
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And before God could use Steve like He used him, He had to break him.
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And I mean, that's just the story of the Bible, is it not?
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Over and over, men and women, before God can fill somebody, He's got to help them get empty.
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And what Steve was agreeing with, is there's got to be more, and for that to be true, I
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got to become less.
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And so the Lord, through that 40-day fast, and here's the awesome thing to be able to
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take note of.
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God was not just doing it in him, He also, at the same time, without them communicating,
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which was just supernatural, David Jett, his associate pastor, that y'all have heard me
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talk about before, God calls him to a 40-day fast.
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They find themselves praying together, and this is wild, and share with each other that
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God had called both of them to fast, not realizing they had started almost on the same day, a
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40-day fast.
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And so, I say that looking at revival, the history of revival, God's not just moving
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in one man, He's most times moving in multiple people.
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And He's awakening desperation in more than one.
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Well, in that, in Garden Hill First Baptist, in that church, he had a buddy that would
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go get after God with him, which I think is really important, really, really important.
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He had a battle buddy, honestly, because the Lord was about to shift even the trajectory
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and change the culture of that church in a radical way.
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And so he got empty before the Lord, and then the Lord shaped him and changed him, and then
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Bill, you'll love this, that God started giving them guiding thoughts around what they
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were doing as a church.
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And there was a statement that you heard Steve say, he said, they started worrying less about
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having more people come to church, and they started thinking more about experiencing more
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of God at church.
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And his statement was, if we build a service to attract the presence of God, God will attract
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the people.
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That's a huge statement, huge statement.
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Yeah, I have to say, if you build a service to attract the presence of God, God will attract
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the people.
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So it's like, we're here for you.
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So vertical, everything's vertical in worship, everything's vertical in light of God, and
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this was Steve, man, to a T, when, and I think the Lord even changed his preaching
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in this moment.
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He was not just trying to get through the text, and he was faithful to the word, he
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was communicating what God was saying, what God was saying in that moment to these people
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by the power of the Spirit, and like, God, what are you doing in this service right now?
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So they started anticipating Gardendale in that season, not just more people coming,
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more of God making himself known in that gathering, and God, you have the ultimate rule and reign
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over, they started listening to the Holy Spirit, listening to the Spirit in the midst of the
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service.
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So there was a shift happening from merely just doing it to meeting with God, experiencing
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his presence, and then following the leadership of the Holy Spirit.
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So that's where all that started.
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Let me pause you for a minute.
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So what I'm hearing you say, and I know it's true, is that God had to bring him to a place
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of hunger, he got sick and tired of being sick and tired, he was hungry, that brought
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him to a place of brokenness.
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But you know, I like to describe brokenness, it's not being crushed, it's the surrender
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of the will to the will of God.
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I'm wanting to do what I want to do, I'm in charge, and I'm going to run it, and I'm going
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to think it, and I'm going to pull it off to, Lord, what do you want?
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And just surrender.
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That led him to a time of seeking, 40 days of pursuing the Lord, God made him, and not
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only just God doing that in him, but in somebody else, right at his right hand, which shows
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you that this was a work of God, not a work of man, and pursuing the Lord, and then God
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manifesting himself to Steve in a whole new way, and changing his thinking about everything,
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about how he approached ministry, it was the presence of God.
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All we want is the presence of God, instead of manipulating and programs and trying to
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get more people to say, you know, we're this and that, we just want the presence of God,
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and God will take care of all the results of what he does.
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All right, pick it up right there.
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Well, and I would say, let me give you a way to remember it, because this is what Steve
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preached at my ordination service, which is coming out of his life, and I still remember
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he said, encouraging me, and ordaining me and a couple other guys, to be humble, hungry,
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and holy.
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Yeah.
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And he had modeled that, and God had brought him to that, that he had humbled himself before
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the Lord, God had brought about humility, you know, in his life, awakened this hunger
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for God.
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And the thing that I'm telling you, that if you just got around Steve, is he just wasn't
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distracted.
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He wasn't distracted by the things of this world, he just had this, once God had awakened
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that taste in his mouth for God, he was just, he wasn't going to be the guy that's going
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to binge watch a bunch of stuff, you know, he didn't even enjoy a good movie, things
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like that.
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He wasn't going to be the guy that would lose his mind or get lost in sports and different
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things like that.
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Not that he didn't enjoy a good ball game and all that.
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But Steve's going to talk about Jesus all the time.
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Like he's going to talk about what God's saying to him, speaking to him.
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I remember, he said this offhanded, when God had awakened that hunger for him, he said
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this offhanded one time to me, and I said, now hold on, say that again.
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He was a one-year Bible guy, you know, like Bill, you and I have found journeys through
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to get through the Word in one year.
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But God had awakened such a hunger in him, both morning and night, that he was at night
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reading the New Testament through every 30 days.
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Every 30 days, he had another plan, and he would have never known that it came out of
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him in a moment.
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And what it was, he was just so hungry for God, it was just so hungry, it wasn't enough.
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It just wasn't enough.
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And what we love here, dude, we talk about it all the time, is that it had changed the
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way that he prayed, and that Steve just prayed all the time, all the time.
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If you've heard his kids and people that knew him talk about Steve, which you got to love,
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is his kids gave the best witness to their dad's life at his funeral, because he was
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just the same everywhere.
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But they had went through, Bill, they had went through hundreds of prayer cards that
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they had found, just in different seasons, different areas, of things that God had used
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to prompt him to pray for certain things, to pray for the church, to pray for his family,
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to pray for his preaching, and that he had learned a pattern that helped him pray.
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And he tarried there a long time.
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And I'd say to our listeners, when you see a great man or woman of God, someone that
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God can easily use, I promise you behind the curtain, there's patterns that have been established
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in the presence of God.
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I know this factually, I'll say this, Bill's kids, I know you're at Garden Hill, First
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Baptist, bro.
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His office in that season, I know this, because of just the silly stuff, he had an office
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where he could walk circles and pray.
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They had to replace that carpet, because you could see a line where he has walked circles
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in that office praying.
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What surprise is there that God would make himself known to him and to a church, if he
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can find a guy that's so desperate for him, hungry for him?
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You know, Kyle, I was in charge of something in Arkansas, I was pastoring in some meeting,
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and I invited Steve to come over and speak.
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And for like a morning, and about prayer, and he was incredible.
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And then we had a lunch, and I invited a group of pastors, there was about 25 of us in this
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room.
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And I did this on purpose, and I said, Steve, we had time, and I said, would you just tell
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us about your prayer rhythms?
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Oh my goodness, I can't believe that I didn't record that somehow.
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But he started, and he said, well, he said, I do this, and this, and this, and this, and
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then he said, I pray this for my daughters, and he enumerated the prayer.
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I pray this for my son, I pray this for my wife, I pray this for my church, I pray, and
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he would tell me, I mean, he was just telling us verbatim, line by line, it was like a memorized
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script almost, well, it was his prayer cards.
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And what he had gone over so much, it was just, you didn't even need the prayer cards
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anymore.
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Right.
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Now, there's, so we, you know, we get, we say, well, that's kind of routine to have
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a rhythm like that.
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Well, look how he prayed.
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Look how much he prayed.
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More than, and look what, on the other side of that, and I want you to touch on this Kyle,
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not just what he prayed, what happened in that season as a result of a broken pastor
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and associate pastor leading to a humble, holy, hungry, praying lives, and what began
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to happen at Gardendale for, I think, a season of about 10 years of just continuous revival.
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Tell us about that a little bit.
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Yeah.
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So, 40 days prayer and fasting season, God starts shifting the atmosphere of the church
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to be a presence centered, as you talk about Bill, passion for God, like the evaluator
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of, and he was awesome, dude, when I came to know the Lord, I didn't know that this
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wasn't normal, you know, but the, but the language of the church had so changed too.
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People evaluated like, man, the Lord was there today, wasn't he?
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Like the Lord was there today.
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Like the Lord, the Lord was with us today.
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We know he's always with us.
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We know that.
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Hey, but man, did the Lord make himself known in the room today, says such an anticipation
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of God.
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I'll never forget when the, when, and this is, there's a moment, and this is before I
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came to know Christ, but if you ask people in that, in that 10 year window, he was there
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15 years, there's really like this 10 year window that God just broke in to Gardendale
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and there were, there was people coming to know Christ like crazy.
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And Steve said on a Sunday night, there was a worship service and they were baptizing
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dozens of people that night.
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And he looked at the eye, into the eyes of a teenager and said, when you tell, he said,
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when you tell your grandkids, your testimony, when you came to know Christ, he's coming
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to know Christ that morning, he said, you just tell them that you came to know Christ
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during revival and, and everybody knew it.
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Everybody knew it like that.
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God had broke in and he ultimately wrote the book when God comes to church.
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I didn't know Steve during that time.
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And I knew about it.
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I was in Oklahoma and I knew about what God was doing at Gardendale.
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We would just start hearing the ripple reports of this church that, that it seemed like God
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was present and, and just so many people coming to Christ and, uh, so the testimony was going
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out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it was, it was, it was shaking.
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I mean, here's the thing to think about Bill and I'll, I'll, Steve would never say this
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so I can say it on his behalf, right?
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He would never say this.
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Gardendale, uh, my God's grace led during that when the state of Alabama and baptisms
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every year, so over 300 something people are being baptized, went from a church of, I think
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it was like 12, 1300 to about 3000 plus people, you know, in the presence of the Lord every
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weekend.
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But that was never the goal.
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That was never the goal.
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Gardendale is a city of 13,000 people, 13,000.
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Just think about that.
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I mean, like, that's insane.
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You know that, but the amount of like, because there was so much of the Lord there and one
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of the marks of it was, and so I'm 99 when I come to Christ, right?
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So I, the, the move of God has been happening, you know, for a few years in there and I come
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to know Christ, uh, and the thing that I didn't realize was so special, there were so many
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men that were on fire for God.
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So many, like, and I get baptized, but I remember, you know, I'm getting baptized and there's
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a bunch of dudes like me, you know, that are, that were captured.
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And I think a lot of things, and this would be encouragement to our men that are pastors
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even specifically listening that, that Steve was white hot for God and, and it painted
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a picture in me of like, that guy's satisfied in Christ.
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And he's also a dude, you know, like he was, he wasn't some religious, he was a real guy
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that really knew God in a way that was, that was aspiring, you know, you aspired to.
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And I mean, and let me tell you what happened, you know, in that window of time, you had
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a guy that was on fire for the Lord, filled with the Spirit.
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And the other thing, by the way, Bill to mention in this, in the course of all this, Steve
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went through several different health issues.
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Like he had myasthenia gravis, which is a muscular disease.
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You know, he had a tumor at one point that had to be removed from his chest.
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And all those things just availed him more, it felt like for God's in his weakness, that
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the Lord would be strong.
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And I can't tell you, like when at the funeral, they asked those to stand that were pastors
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in the room.
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It was hundreds, obviously, of pastors that was impacted by it.
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But the amount of guys that I know, that came to came to faith, or either embraced
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the call, and was licensed and ordained, like there's hundreds of pastors that were shaped
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in that window, just at Gardendale, you know, not let alone at Bellevue, that I think we
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all got ruined together, in the best way, ruined by a real move of God, would never
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be satisfied for merely just do in church.
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Well, you know, Kyle, I had the privilege of having you come to be on our staff in Little
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Rock at the church where you and I served as a summit church.
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And BJ Strickland, and you know, I could name, we had about four or five guys.
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And all of them came out of Gardendale and came out of that time.
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And I'd see Steve every once in a while at some meeting.
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And he'd say, he'd say, how are my boys doing?
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And I say, well, Steve, they're the best guys I've got, and they're full of God.
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And so you have, not only do you experience the fullness of God, but you raise up men
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who are men and women, and his wife, we could do a whole program on Donna.
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And he would say, you should do a program on Donna, but that, you know, you just raise
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men and you don't even have to try to do it.
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I mean, it's like, I know Steven was intentional in his discipleship very much so.
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He would take you guys, when he was going somewhere, he always took a man in the car
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with him to drive.
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And I've heard these stories, and he would be discipling those preacher boys, you know.
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But that is intentional.
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But even just the non-intentional, just being a man of God, and people see the fruit of
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your labor.
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And Steve later went to be the pastor at Bellevue Church, following a similar pastor, a great,
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great man of God, Adrian Rogers, and went to pastor there until his death, and went
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through, again, another round of health challenges and cancer, ultimately.
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But he just became sweeter, and wiser, and stronger, and more full of God, the more you'd
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see him, you know.
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I think God, it's my observation that the Lord, He does this breaking in young men that
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has to be done.
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It's like taking a young stallion, and you just got to break the will of that stallion
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so that he becomes submissive to his master, and he's willing to go wherever the master.
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And if he gets really broken, then you can neck rein a horse, where you just touch the
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reins to the right or the left.
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And then, if he gets really broken, you can just move in a saddle.
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And that horse, it's just like you become one, and the horse and the rider and the master
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are just one, and they become a powerful force.
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And I see that in history, and just reading biographies through the years of God breaking
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men, but then He takes them through difficulties, and problems, and diseases, and all kinds
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of things, and it's just another level of brokenness.
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It's just another level of surrender.
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It's another level of experiencing the sufficiency of God's grace, like Paul's thorn in the flesh,
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where they come to glory in their weakness, because when they're weak, they know they're
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strong.
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And we sure saw that in Steve.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, one last thought, Bill, just to say, to end this here, and as an encouragement.
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You know, Jet, and I reference David Jet, who's the pastor here, 17 years, where I am.
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You are now, where I am now, in Crossgates, in Brandon, Mississippi.
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But he has this statement that I heard it first from him.
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He probably got it from somebody else.
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He said, you teach what you know, you reproduce who you are.
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I'll say it again.
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You teach what you know, you reproduce who you are.
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And I was just, a lot to unpack in that statement.
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I think with this, to reference Steve, though, Steve reproduced who he was, and that's the
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best discipleship, is he let us get close enough to him, which got us real close to
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the Lord.
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Wow.
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And, and that, and that was, that was more than enough.
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That was more than enough to help us get desperate for God on our own, to humble ourselves and
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to say, I just, I remember us early in ministry, me and the Andy Heises, you know, and then
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this letter is, it is, you know, it's the BJ Strickland's, it's Zach, my brother, who
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got to serve, you know, with him, is he let us get close enough that we had to walk away
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and make personal decisions about what kind of follower of Christ we're going to be.
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Wow.
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We had to, we had to walk away and go, am I going to get desperate too for God?
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Am I going to fast and pray?
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Am I going to seek God in His word like that?
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Am I going to find my prayer cards, ways to do that?
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Am I going to be that?
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And I can tell you a whole lot of us did make our own and, and that those things now, and
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the best part about revival, real, a real move of God playing out specifically in person's
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life, if I find, and that's why I'd say it ruins you in a good way for anything else.
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And truthfully, it's highly reproducible.
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Yeah.
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Because it, it, it just, it's what you said, Bill, earlier.
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It wasn't that he set us down.
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We're going to meet every Tuesday morning, this amount of time, I'm going to go to this
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course or something.
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It's more real than that, honestly, and, and it's highly reproducible.
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So I'd say to our listeners, Dan, you know, that's one expression of one guy that impacted
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all of us and who's in heaven now, whose ministry is way outliving us and, and it's reproducing,
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it's reproducing that, that seed of revival, honestly, like it.
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And, and I just think, honestly, I believe this in my whole heart, men like Steve, men
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like Bill, you Bill, that have painted that picture of a real move of God.
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It positions us, but generations have to make a decision what they're going to do with that.
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I sat there at his service thinking about, personally, like, there's a greater call.
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There's a greater call to cooperate with this kind of movement and activity in my own life
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and ministry for the sake of future generations.
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And so I hope we respond to that well learned.
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It's amazing you say that because I sat at Bill Faisenfeld's service and, and the guy
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preaching who was a well-known man, he said, unless a grain of wheat falls in the ground
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and dies, that was his text.
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And he was praying for men who would, who would now be raised up.
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And I got on my knees and God called me on my knees to leave where I was and go into
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a tenor at ministry at that time and a whole different, and opened up a whole different
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stream of what I've been involved in for a long time.
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And I went home and I told my wife, I said, well, God did something unusual.
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He said, he's calling us to revival ministry.
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I said, how did you know that?
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She said, I just knew.
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So it's like, what you said about Jet being called to something, you know, Steve needed
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Jet.
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Yeah.
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Jet needed Steve and God sends us out in pairs and I needed my wife to be there with me.
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Shoulder to shoulder and a big jump that we made, a big leap of faith that we made
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that God was calling us to that opened up a lot of things in our lives.
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But, but it was Dale Faisenfeld's life.
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Wow.
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It was his life at his funeral that called us there, you know.
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I mean, to do this, Bill, pray, pray, just pray for our listeners and specifically that
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in this moment, I mean, what God, I mean, we're learning from the life of one, but there's
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so many others.
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And I bet you listeners right now are thinking about others that have been in their life,
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but that we would reproduce, reproduce that heart for revival in the real name of God.
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So Father, we're so grateful.
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We just, we just specifically, Lord, we're grateful for Steve and Donna Kane, Lord.
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We're just grateful for their lives, their surrender for David Jet and Father for what
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you've worked and all these men of God that have just in our sphere of our lives have
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affected us.
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I can, I can think of so many that have impacted me.
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And Father, we want to be those men and women for the next generation.
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And Lord, that won't happen if we're asleep, when you're calling us to pray.
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If we're unsurrendered, when you're calling us to let everything go and take the next
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bold step of faith, Lord, we will not experience that and the glory of your presence.
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And so Lord, I just pray that you would take us there.
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I pray that even this program today and the ones that will follow about how revival ruins
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us and how it changes us and shapes us.
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And Father, I just pray that this would go find its way into people's lives and Steve's
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life from this program would keep impacting people literally around the world.
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And so we love you and we entrust all this to you and we pray in your precious name.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Well, what a, what a blessed time and thanks, Kyle, for opening up your heart and sharing
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about a man that you love deeply and that we all love and we're so grateful and we're
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grateful that you joined us today.
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I pray that you'd pass this.
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This would be one of those programs that you need to go tell your buddy about and say,
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hey, watch this and then let's get coffee and let's talk about it in our lives.
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What does that say to you?
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What does that say to you today?
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What's that calling you to?
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And use it as a catalyst.
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Maybe you decide in your next Sunday school class that instead of the lesson you'd prepared,
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hey, we're going to listen to this podcast for 20 minutes and we're going to let it be
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our lesson today.
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And this is a lesson of a changed life.
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And so use it, let the Lord use it and be an instrument for that.
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And then join us next time.
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We're going to, we're going to take several weeks here and talk to several men and different
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people and about people that whose lives show the fire and the smoke is still on their clothes
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and what that does to us.
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And that should cause us to love the movement of God and pray for it and give ourselves
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to it more.
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And so that's our prayer as we pray for a nationwide and worldwide movement of God in
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our day.
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So thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time.