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Think Like a Champion: with Dr. Mondo, Therapist + Mental Strength Coach · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe and each week my guests
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Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. I've been fascinated by extraordinary people
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Speaker 1: and talent since I was a little kid, mostly because
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Speaker 1: I think we're all extraordinary and not like in the
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Speaker 1: millennial we all deserve a trophy way in that greatness
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Speaker 1: lives inside all of us. We just have to know
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Speaker 1: how to tap into it. And that's one of the
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Speaker 1: reasons I've always loved sports. Sure, we all know that
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Speaker 1: if you want to get stronger, you have to train.
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Speaker 1: You gotta lift weights, cycle swim laps. But it's the
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Speaker 1: mental strength it takes to be extraordinary that really excites me.
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Speaker 1: I read a book years ago that changed the way
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Speaker 1: I think about all this. Yes, I'd highly recommend it.
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Speaker 1: It's short and super easy to digest. It's called The
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Speaker 1: Talent Code by Daniel Coyle. In it, he writes, although
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Speaker 1: talent feels and looks predestined, in fact, we have a
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Speaker 1: good deal of control over what skills we develop, and
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Speaker 1: we have more potential than we might ever presume to guess.
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Speaker 1: Many top performers are overlooked early on. Michael Jordan was
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Speaker 1: cut from his varsity team as a sophomore. Charles Darwin
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Speaker 1: was considered slow by teachers. Disney was fired from an
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Speaker 1: early job because he lacked imagination. Tolstoy, Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein,
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Speaker 1: Maya Angelo, Lucille, Ball, James Baldwin, Winston Churchill. All of
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Speaker 1: these people constructed talent day by day. So how do
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Speaker 1: we do it? What habits do the world's most ambitious,
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Speaker 1: most successful are those that we deem extraordinary have in common.
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Speaker 1: My guest today knows about the psychology of greatness. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Mondo is a therapist, researcher, mental toughness coach who works
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Speaker 1: with athletes, celebrities, and executives to unlock their peak mental performance.
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Speaker 1: He's also the founder of cheat Code, a nonprofit determined
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Speaker 1: to end stigma and increase access to transformational mental health
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Speaker 1: services in underserved communities. And we agree on quite a lot.
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Speaker 1: One of those being he believes that greatness lives inside
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Speaker 1: all of us, we just have to do the work
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Speaker 1: to tap into it. So you have a background in
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Speaker 1: marriage and family therapy. Later in your career, you shifted
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Now your title is mental health coach.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, mental health coach, mental strength coach, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and then you have a doctorate in psychology, doctor
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Speaker 1: in psychology, Yeah okay. So what does mental health coach mean?
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Speaker 2: Mental health coaching is very similar to therapy in terms
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Speaker 2: of how we do things, but there's a strong presence
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Speaker 2: or a strong focus on the present moment as well
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Speaker 2: as the future in terms of helping people be the
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Speaker 2: best versions of themselves in the present moment, but also
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Speaker 2: really set aggressive goals for the future.
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Speaker 1: So you mentioned athletes, I know you also work with
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Speaker 1: elite musicians, executives, people at the top of their game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, love it.
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Speaker 1: So why do you want to work with this elite clientele?
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Speaker 4: What is it?
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Speaker 2: Athletes, entertainers, highly driven people. Those are my people because
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Speaker 2: I am one of them, you know. And I think
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Speaker 2: that I always felt like I wasn't the typical.
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Speaker 3: Therapist when I was in that role. You know, I
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Speaker 3: wore the suits and I.
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Speaker 2: Did had a private practice, was a professor, and it
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Speaker 2: just never fully fit kind of who I really am.
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Speaker 3: And this is who I really am.
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Speaker 2: And another part of me, I think too, is just
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Speaker 2: that I am I'm highly driven and I'm outside the box,
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Speaker 2: and so working with athletes and entertainers, founders, what you
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Speaker 2: find is that there's a level of work that they'll
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Speaker 2: put into their personal development and growth that if they're
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Speaker 2: really if they really buy in to you know, if
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Speaker 2: they really buy into me being the guy that can
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Speaker 2: take them to the end destination, they'll go as deep
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Speaker 2: as they need to, as far as they need to.
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Speaker 3: Our sessions will be in.
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Speaker 2: Some cases, you know, hours and hours long, because that's
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Speaker 2: the drive they have.
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Speaker 3: And so for me, it became almost an addicting sort.
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Speaker 2: Of work to work with people who had that sort
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Speaker 2: of drive, work ethic, passion, tension to detail, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think it's made me better to work with with
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Speaker 2: some of the greats.
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Speaker 1: How do you define great or greatness?
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Speaker 2: Winning championships, winning awards? I think is one way we
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Speaker 2: can define greatness. To me, I think that's still one dimensional.
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Speaker 2: The folks that I really want to work with are
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Speaker 2: they're committed to being great in every element of their lives,
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Speaker 2: and that's how I really define the graades.
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Speaker 3: I think it does.
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Speaker 2: Strive for excellence, Yeah, strive for excellence in everything you do.
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Speaker 2: In touch it's a standard of excellence, I believe, you know,
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Speaker 2: and I look at historical figures Muhammad Ali I think
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Speaker 2: of I love him as a boxer, I love him
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Speaker 2: more as a humanitarian. The level of excellence that he
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Speaker 2: brought to sport was unparalleled level of excellence and outside
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Speaker 2: the box thinking that he brought to self promotion, all
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Speaker 2: the things that now we see. You know, obviously he
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Speaker 2: paved the way for this social media generation we're in now,
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Speaker 2: but he also brought that same tenacity to his work
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Speaker 2: as a humanitarian.
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Speaker 3: He left out. He sat out some.
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Speaker 2: Of the most critical years of his career to protest
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Speaker 2: the Vietnam War. So I look at greatness really as
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Speaker 2: it being not just I want to be great at
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Speaker 2: my sport or my thing I do, but I want
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Speaker 2: to be great in everything, true greatness.
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Speaker 1: So I heard you mention in a separate interview, Jay Z,
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jordan as people you admire. What
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Speaker 1: are those three men have in common?
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Speaker 4: What's the through line for you?
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Speaker 2: I would say surrogate father figures wow in a way. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, I think I've realized that more as I've
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Speaker 2: reflected on it, and I would say the three of them.
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Speaker 3: There's something inside.
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Speaker 2: Of me that I have this ability to just lock
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Speaker 2: in and if I want something, it's like I'm just
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Speaker 2: going to push all the way. And that's what I
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Speaker 2: saw in especially in Kobe and Michael and jay I.
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Speaker 2: Just I saw a lot of this swag that I
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Speaker 2: think it invited me and many others to embrace within ourselves.
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Speaker 2: But also too, I say that the surrogate father part
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Speaker 2: because you know, I grew up without a father figure.
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Speaker 2: I was raised by a single parent mom, and in
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Speaker 2: many ways, you know saying only child, latchkey kid. In
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Speaker 2: many ways, I was going home every day and the
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Speaker 2: people I was watching on you know, in the videos,
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Speaker 2: the rap videos, and also you know in the sports world,
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Speaker 2: they were guiding a lot of they were modeling a
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Speaker 2: lot of the principles that I was taking in when
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Speaker 2: I was attracted to that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting that you say kind of like
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Speaker 1: father figures, because I get a lot of emails from
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Speaker 1: young girls that are wanting to be journalists or wanting
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Speaker 1: to be in entertainment in some way.
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Speaker 4: And.
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Speaker 1: A common thing I hear is like I'm looking for
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Speaker 1: a mentor, and I didn't have a mentor until later,
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Speaker 1: but I read biographies and memori like Barbara Walters was
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Speaker 1: my mentor. You know, I've never met Barbara. There's something
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Speaker 1: so powerful about choosing somebody or a few people and
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Speaker 1: modeling even if you've never met them. I don't think
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Speaker 1: we talk about that enough as being such like a
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Speaker 1: great north Star.
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Speaker 2: I think mentorship in general is a cheat code to success.
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Speaker 2: I think that to your point, yeah, I mean, I
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Speaker 2: you know again, I think we've talked before offline just
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Speaker 2: about broadcasting and Bob Costas and you know, and loving
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Speaker 2: and the greatest, the greatest that's undebatable talk about, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I think so much of you know,
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Speaker 2: even for me growing up, like and I wanted to
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Speaker 2: be a sports broadcaster as a kid, and I did
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Speaker 2: for a small window of time in my youth, you know,
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Speaker 2: live some of that dream out. And a lot of
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Speaker 2: what I was taught was just from watching and listening
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Speaker 2: to your point, right, and watching the interviewers, and watching
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Speaker 2: Larry Kings and watching the roy Firestones and seeing how
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Speaker 2: they were able to just be who they were, and
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Speaker 2: that I think so much of what we don't realize
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Speaker 2: to your point in mentorship is modeling that we're model
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Speaker 2: whether we want to or not. And that's why I
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Speaker 2: think when you do have kids, they tell you, you know,
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Speaker 2: obviously it's important what you say, it's more important what
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Speaker 2: you do. That's what you're modeling to your kids. And
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Speaker 2: so I think in that way, it's interesting that we
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Speaker 2: don't have more intention around picking someone to watch and study.
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Speaker 2: I've also found that as being a way I've reverse
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Speaker 2: engineered a lot of things I've wanted to do. Right, Like,
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Speaker 2: if there's something I wanted to do, I would just say, okay,
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Speaker 2: well who's done it. Let me just study them, Let
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Speaker 2: me study their process, let me study how they approach things,
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Speaker 2: their mentality, their mindset, and reverse engineer that. So I
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Speaker 2: think it's a great point, and you got me rolling
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Speaker 2: on that now. I want to say too that I
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Speaker 2: think that when I love mentoring because I think probably
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Speaker 2: because of the father wounds I had and how important
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Speaker 2: it was to have a.
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Speaker 3: Village of people raising me.
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Speaker 2: And I always tell people it's like, you know, this
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Speaker 2: current now I sound old to say this current generation
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Speaker 2: will say gen zers, there's a lot of pressure to
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Speaker 2: act like you've made it already and just kind of
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Speaker 2: like fake it and I'll tell you. For me personally,
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Speaker 2: I never want to be in that position, Like there
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Speaker 2: are still things i want to grow and do in
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Speaker 2: my life that I'm.
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Speaker 3: Going to seek out mentorship.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to find someone to either model it after
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Speaker 2: on who I watch from Afar or I'm going to
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Speaker 2: even more importantly ask someone. And I think that's one
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Speaker 2: of the things I always tell young people is.
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Speaker 3: What's the worst Someone could say? That was what my
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Speaker 3: mom told me. What's the worst? They could say? No,
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Speaker 3: what do you lose?
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Speaker 2: And so why not reach out to the people that
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Speaker 2: you admire and say, you know, I'd love to grab
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Speaker 2: ten minutes of your time, I'd love to I'd love
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Speaker 2: to be mentored by you. I think that we often
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Speaker 2: bypass that and feel like we have to act like
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Speaker 2: we're already there and we're missing so many rich opportunities
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Speaker 2: to grow.
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Speaker 4: Can I push back?
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Speaker 3: Little? Sure?
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Speaker 4: Part of me feels like.
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Speaker 1: People come and ask for mentorship from people without doing
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Speaker 1: some of the work themselves.
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Speaker 3: Mmm.
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Speaker 1: I think if you're going to ask someone to be
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Speaker 1: your mentor to ask for their time, you better make
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Speaker 1: sure that you're putting in the time and the work
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Speaker 1: to show them. Agreed, Right, Yeah, did I take that?
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Speaker 4: Was that a tangent?
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Speaker 3: I don't believe so.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think to myself, I have one person
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Speaker 2: that I have taken under my wing, and I had
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Speaker 2: a lot of people approach me, and this one person.
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Speaker 2: His name's Manu. The reason that I took Manu under
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Speaker 2: my wing is because Manu grinds that he works, and
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Speaker 2: I know I can count on he's put the work
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Speaker 2: into your point. So I don't think that we're all
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Speaker 2: entitled to mentorship. And that's where so much of it's hustle.
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Speaker 2: So much of it is manifesting by working hard and
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Speaker 2: making things happen and being intentional and then putting yourself
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Speaker 2: in those positions to make the asks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, what do you think is a common
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Speaker 1: misconception about successful.
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Speaker 2: People that success brings happiness? It just doesn't, you know.
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Speaker 2: I think I wish it did. I wish it did.
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Speaker 2: And I say that obviously from my own personal experience
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Speaker 2: of just I think that's something in life that I've
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Speaker 2: seen people climb very high mountains. I've climbed some high
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Speaker 2: mountains myself. We often push through the pain of the
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Speaker 2: climb for this belief that will be happier. When we
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Speaker 2: get there, we may be more fulfilled, but I don't
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Speaker 2: know if we're going to be happy. I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: happiness is such an interesting emotion, feeling, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: something that we're all driven towards. We want to be happy,
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Speaker 2: we want to be fulfilled. But I think that a
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Speaker 2: lot of times we believe that success will get us there,
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Speaker 2: and then when it doesn't, we get devastated and we
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Speaker 2: chase the next mountain, or we pause and really lean
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Speaker 2: into Okay, what am I really searching for here? So
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Speaker 2: I think that's the thing I see. I think that,
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Speaker 2: you know, there's so many people that are success. And
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Speaker 2: the other thing, too, is that it's so lonely that
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Speaker 2: the more successful you become, the more lonely it gets.
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant always talked about that.
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Speaker 3: It's lonely at the top.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I progressively watch you know, people
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Speaker 2: I've worked with experienced success, and many, not all, but
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Speaker 2: many come from humble beginnings. And you think that every
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Speaker 2: time you climb a ladder of success, in many ways,
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Speaker 2: it becomes another distancing mechanism that's hard for you to
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Speaker 2: connect with the people that you grew up around and
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Speaker 2: with for athletes, it's common that they'll feel, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I can go back to where
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Speaker 2: I'm from because everyone's going to hit me up and
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Speaker 2: ask me for something, or you know, I'm seeing in
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Speaker 2: this light like I'm an ATM machine or I'm the
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Speaker 2: person that's able to make things happen.
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Speaker 3: So that parts lonely and then too.
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Speaker 2: I think in some ways, the more successful you are,
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Speaker 2: you get into two rooms full of people that may
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Speaker 2: not share the same values, may not have the same
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Speaker 2: passions that you have, and there's this this fear that
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Speaker 2: you can't trust people. And I see that happen a
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Speaker 2: lot when people are successful. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: downsides to success. It's not to say that we.
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Speaker 1: Should Is it success or is it fame?
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Speaker 2: I think that the way I'm talking about it probably
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Speaker 2: as you, Yeah, that's a good point, like it. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of fame mixed with that version of success,
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Speaker 2: especially with the athletes being in the probably hearing yeah,
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Speaker 2: although again I don't know. I think in this world,
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Speaker 2: the more success we have, the more we work, the
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Speaker 2: more that we stretch ourselves, the more that we have
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Speaker 2: endless opportunities and if we're not practicing how to say
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Speaker 2: no to certain things, then it can be ultimately unfulfilling
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Speaker 2: in some ways.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the happiness component I see no matter similar to
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like, no matter who I'm interviewing, it
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Speaker 1: feels like a ladder to success or a ladder to happiness,
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Speaker 1: and then it's not.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that success in general too, at
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Speaker 2: least when I think of it, I think of it,
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Speaker 2: it's often an individualistic concept. So I think that in
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Speaker 2: general that's the reason why it doesn't lead to happiness,
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Speaker 2: because true happiness, in my experience, leads to service, being
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Speaker 2: in service to others, contributing to something that's larger than yourself.
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Speaker 2: So certainly, if those are the goals you have and
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Speaker 2: you measure your success by that, then maybe you will
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Speaker 2: actually be really happy. But I think in many things
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Speaker 2: that we seek to do, the levels we look to
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Speaker 2: climb are often about self, and I think that's probably
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Speaker 2: why they're so hollow.
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Speaker 1: You talk about guiding principles of greatness on your podcast.
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Speaker 1: You say belief, grind, self expression, intuition, and training the brain,
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Speaker 1: and then you talk about how grind is a principle
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Speaker 1: that's easy to control. Of the other principles, what would
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Speaker 1: you say is the most challenging to practice.
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Speaker 2: I would say intuition and self expression are very challenging
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Speaker 2: to I'd say self expression is the hardest. I just
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Speaker 2: think that, you know, again, it's not about becoming someone
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Speaker 2: you've yet to become.
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Speaker 3: Often in order to.
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Speaker 2: Be successful, to be who it is you want to
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Speaker 2: be in this world, it's about getting back to who
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Speaker 2: you always were at your core and.
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Speaker 3: Expressing that true self. Man, that is hard to.
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Speaker 2: Do because we have so much by the time that
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Speaker 2: we get to be in our twenties and thirties and beyond,
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Speaker 2: we've had so much programming into us from parents, school,
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Speaker 2: you know, community, society at large that's unconsciously shifted us
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Speaker 2: away from our natural state of being who we are
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Speaker 2: at our core. And that principle of self expression being
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Speaker 2: tied to greatness is that the greats at some point
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Speaker 2: either just stopped giving of you know what, or they
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Speaker 2: just had more of an inclination to be that way
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Speaker 2: from the start. They didn't mind if they looked different
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Speaker 2: by expressing themselves. They didn't care if they stood out,
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Speaker 2: They didn't care if it wasn't.
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Speaker 3: Cool or not.
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Speaker 2: They just felt this swagger to be themselves. And I
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Speaker 2: think that when you look at performance, so much of
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Speaker 2: performance and so much of greatness is tied back again
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Speaker 2: to self expression. I just think it's intuition's hard to
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Speaker 2: harness because we don't practice that a lot in our
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Speaker 2: culture and society, but self expression is extremely challenging to
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Speaker 2: fully embrace.
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Speaker 1: So the grind is something that I think about a lot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to become great at anything, no
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Speaker 1: matter what you want to do. And at the same time,
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Speaker 1: sometimes it comes from a wound.
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Speaker 4: Times it leads to burn out.
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Speaker 3: M M.
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Speaker 1: How do you see successful people balancing the grind that
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Speaker 1: you see it taking and also having a full balanced
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that word balanced is real, but
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Speaker 1: a full life I think that that.
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Speaker 2: You know, by nature, most really successful people, they have
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Speaker 2: one area of their life they're often neglecting.
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Speaker 3: You know. Interesting, That's just my thought. You know. It's
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Speaker 3: kind of like that chair over there.
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Speaker 2: It's got three really sturdy legs and there's one back leg.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you sit down, what's going on this back leg?
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Speaker 2: I might fall I might fall down, and that could
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Speaker 2: be health.
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Speaker 4: That's my love life.
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Speaker 3: There you go.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it could be relationships, right, it
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Speaker 2: could be this one area that everything else is super
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Speaker 2: sturdy and excellent, right, and there's this one area we
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Speaker 2: have to be just beyond intentional to the point that
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Speaker 2: it's annoying.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Like I always say, people that work with me and
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Speaker 2: on my teams, they know, like my biggest pet peeve
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Speaker 2: is if it's not on the calendar, it's not happening.
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Speaker 2: I always say, like, it's on the calendar, then you
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Speaker 2: can't hold me account. But if I accept that invite
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Speaker 2: or I initiate that you know that that invite, then
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Speaker 2: it's happening. And I think the same goes for in
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Speaker 2: order to be super successful, you have to make time,
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Speaker 2: but you have to be really intentional about how you
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Speaker 2: make that time, and you need to put it on
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Speaker 2: the calendar and you need so for me, that's going
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Speaker 2: to be actually finding the space and time to get
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Speaker 2: back to you know, exercising and things like that.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's.
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Speaker 2: Where you know, you'll see some really successful people that
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Speaker 2: have the balance and they're just really regimented about how
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Speaker 2: they create that time and they and they make those
19:46
Speaker 2: commitments and they never and they won't break them.
19:49
Speaker 1: When I interview athletes, they talk about visualization so much.
19:54
Speaker 1: People across industries will talk to me about it, but
19:57
Speaker 1: particularly athletes.
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Speaker 4: I've I used to do this. I still do it.
20:01
Speaker 1: But I used to do this, and I didn't recognize
20:04
Speaker 1: I was doing it when I first started interviewing people,
20:06
Speaker 1: because I was so nervous, and I would lay in
20:09
Speaker 1: bed and I'd play out the interview in my mind,
20:12
Speaker 1: and sometimes the day like that next day, the interview
20:15
Speaker 1: would go as I visualized it. I would play out
20:18
Speaker 1: their answers, even though I'd never met them. Wow, And
20:21
Speaker 1: sometimes it would go differently.
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Speaker 2: Is it going how you expected it to do it?
20:25
Speaker 2: I'm sure you were kept up last night by this interview.
20:28
Speaker 4: It's hard when it's an hour long, right.
20:30
Speaker 3: These were more.
20:30
Speaker 1: Junket interviews, but I did visualize today. I don't visualize
20:35
Speaker 1: as much elsewhere, but for interviews I always have, which
20:40
Speaker 1: I thought was so interesting when I hear other people
20:42
Speaker 1: talk about it. What does it look like for the
20:45
Speaker 1: people that you coach? What does visualization look like for them?
20:49
Speaker 2: I'm always looking at how do we do things the
20:51
Speaker 2: most sufficiently and the most effective. If there's a level
20:55
Speaker 2: of better than I want that level, and I'm just
20:58
Speaker 2: I feel like that's my duty. With my role with athletes,
21:01
Speaker 2: I say, it's like I have a duty to know
21:03
Speaker 2: the best practices that exists. So we talk about visualization.
21:07
Speaker 2: I need to know if there's a way to take
21:09
Speaker 2: visualization to the next level, then I need to know
21:11
Speaker 2: about it. So for me, what that LEDs tell us, Yeah,
21:14
Speaker 2: what that led to was discovering a brain based neurophysiological
21:20
Speaker 2: technique and concept known as brain spotting. So brain spotting
21:24
Speaker 2: is visualization, but it's much more than that. And so
21:28
Speaker 2: with athletes that I work with, what we will do
21:32
Speaker 2: is we will put bilateral music on them. So bilateral
21:35
Speaker 2: music is if you had headphones on, the music that
21:38
Speaker 2: would be panning from one ear to the other, and
21:42
Speaker 2: that would be almost like gently nudging your brain to
21:46
Speaker 2: go into your deep limbic system, so you bypass the
21:50
Speaker 2: thinking part of you, the fight flight or freeze part
21:53
Speaker 2: of you, to oversimplify all of it, and you'd go
21:56
Speaker 2: into your deep limbic system. Your deep limbic system is
21:58
Speaker 2: your body and connecting with felt memories and senses. So
22:04
Speaker 2: the music would start and then we would also have
22:07
Speaker 2: a therapeutic connection that would help kind of guide you
22:11
Speaker 2: in a direction towards making that visualization not just something
22:16
Speaker 2: you see but something you feel. And so that's what
22:18
Speaker 2: we do with athletes, is we try to get them
22:21
Speaker 2: to see the game playing out, see it that's playing
22:24
Speaker 2: out in a way that isn't just seeing it, but
22:28
Speaker 2: they're feeling and they're going through that experience. Or could
22:31
Speaker 2: we take the swagger that you feel in one area
22:34
Speaker 2: of your life and bring it to the batter's box
22:37
Speaker 2: and trying to cross up some of those neural connections.
22:39
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a lot of jazz, it's a
22:41
Speaker 2: lot of just fun. But those are I think when
22:44
Speaker 2: I think now visualization, I think that we've we've progressed
22:47
Speaker 2: in a way that we understand the brain so much more.
22:50
Speaker 2: We have virtual reality, we have augmented reality. It's going
22:53
Speaker 2: in this direction where visualization is being taken to a
22:56
Speaker 2: whole new degree in how we train the brain.
22:59
Speaker 4: That's really cool to hear.
23:01
Speaker 3: You have to try it sometimes. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I always think that part of doing it is just
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Speaker 1: believing that you can And I don't know how how
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Speaker 1: you can strengthen that muscle it's confidence, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's that unshakeable faith,
26:04
Speaker 2: that unshakeable belief, which I believe is one of the
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Speaker 2: characteristics we talked about in breaking down the psychology of greatness. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I do think that faith is a
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Speaker 2: muscle we can strengthen. You know, I think that faith
26:17
Speaker 2: obviously conjures up spirituality.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I think when you're I happen to.
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Speaker 2: Be a Christian and I've you know, there's a story
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Speaker 2: in the Bible about the faith of the Centurion and
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Speaker 2: Jesus said, this is the greatest faith I've ever seen,
26:31
Speaker 2: was the faith of the Centurion. And you look at
26:35
Speaker 2: the example of that, and that's a powerful story for me.
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Speaker 3: That guides me a lot.
26:39
Speaker 2: Is this belief that I can have very little indication
26:45
Speaker 2: that something's going to happen and I'm going to just
26:48
Speaker 2: know with certainty, not in my mind, but not in
26:52
Speaker 2: my heart, but in my gut that this is the truth.
26:56
Speaker 2: And I think that you can and shift more towards
27:02
Speaker 2: that because I think here's the thing, like there's a
27:04
Speaker 2: truth inside your gut that tells you what it is
27:08
Speaker 2: that you're called to do, Like this, right, something that
27:11
Speaker 2: and the more that we learn to tap into that,
27:14
Speaker 2: acknowledge it, experience it, trust it, whether that's through meditation,
27:19
Speaker 2: brain spotting, whatever it may be. The more we tap
27:21
Speaker 2: into it and experience it, sit with it, the more
27:24
Speaker 2: peace we find in it. And then that creates faith
27:28
Speaker 2: that we take forward with us in our journey to
27:32
Speaker 2: do the things that we feel we're meant to do.
27:34
Speaker 2: And I think that's where that faith and belief can
27:36
Speaker 2: be cultivated.
27:38
Speaker 1: So faith, someone doesn't have it, someone struggles with it,
27:43
Speaker 1: whether it's faith in self or faith in a higher power,
27:47
Speaker 1: faith that everything will be okay. Where do you start
27:51
Speaker 1: to cultivate that?
27:52
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
27:54
Speaker 2: I think that you know, there's some there's some premises
27:58
Speaker 2: that I have in answering this, though all expose right,
28:00
Speaker 2: It's like, obviously I already exposed that I do have faith.
28:03
Speaker 3: It's so some of.
28:04
Speaker 2: That's being informed by that. Yeah, but I don't know,
28:08
Speaker 2: and this is probably a largely inform of that. I
28:10
Speaker 2: just I got this feeling and belief deep in my
28:13
Speaker 2: guts that everyone's got a purpose, everyone's got a calling.
28:16
Speaker 2: That people when they're born in this world, they're born
28:18
Speaker 2: inherently good they're born predispositioned to do something significant, to
28:25
Speaker 2: have an impact on the greater good of people. So
28:27
Speaker 2: I think that's inside of everyone, and I think that essentially,
28:31
Speaker 2: when you frame it that way, I guess it's more
28:33
Speaker 2: of a listening and an awakening to that is where
28:36
Speaker 2: faith can come.
28:37
Speaker 3: From for someone.
28:38
Speaker 2: So if I work with someone, I'll never for me,
28:41
Speaker 2: you know, faith in a higher power that's such a
28:44
Speaker 2: personal thing, Like even if I explain to you why
28:47
Speaker 2: I believe in what I believe in, it would never
28:49
Speaker 2: be very convincing, probably to you, because it's very experiential
28:52
Speaker 2: for me. So I don't think it's necessarily about bringing
28:55
Speaker 2: people to that higher power faith. I think it's more about, though,
28:59
Speaker 2: especially in the work I do, helping people really listen
29:02
Speaker 2: to what they know to be true inside, about what
29:06
Speaker 2: they're called to do, what strengths they have, what gifts
29:09
Speaker 2: they have. I call it purpose calling, strengths and vision PCSV.
29:14
Speaker 2: So it's like, what's your purpose, what you're calling, what
29:17
Speaker 2: are your strengths, and what's the vision that you've been
29:19
Speaker 2: given of how you're going to play that out into
29:21
Speaker 2: this world. I think the more clarity you have on that,
29:24
Speaker 2: the more faith that it creates. So I think that
29:26
Speaker 2: if you don't have it, you know, we need people,
29:29
Speaker 2: We need guides to sit with us and pour love
29:32
Speaker 2: into us to help us see that or sometimes just
29:35
Speaker 2: reflect back what they see in us.
29:38
Speaker 1: That is so powerful when people see you sometimes when
29:42
Speaker 1: you don't see yourself.
29:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that, you know, you go back
29:46
Speaker 2: to some of those other elements of faith.
29:48
Speaker 3: How do you have faith it?
29:49
Speaker 2: I think you said, like everything's going to be okay,
29:51
Speaker 2: or you know, a lot of those are attachment related
29:56
Speaker 2: things that you know, our primary attachment with our parents
30:01
Speaker 2: gives us a sense that everything's going to be okay,
30:03
Speaker 2: or that we're capable.
30:04
Speaker 3: We have what it takes.
30:06
Speaker 2: So when people have wounding around that, it makes them
30:09
Speaker 2: very skeptical to believe that about themselves and of life
30:15
Speaker 2: and of the attention the intentions of others that are
30:17
Speaker 2: attempting to do that. But it's often the only thing
30:20
Speaker 2: that can heal that is a corrective emotional experience that
30:24
Speaker 2: comes in relationship with someone else pouring.
30:26
Speaker 3: That back in.
30:28
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:29
Speaker 1: When I read books about people who are great or
30:32
Speaker 1: from sports psychologists, there is this like this sort of
30:38
Speaker 1: repetitive thing that I hear that's it's less about avoiding
30:43
Speaker 1: adversity and way more about how somebody responds to it.
30:48
Speaker 1: So what's important in responding.
30:51
Speaker 4: To adversity.
30:53
Speaker 2: Leaning into it? I think you know the way too,
30:56
Speaker 2: It is through it. This is something we say over
30:58
Speaker 2: and over and the neuropsychology sessions is that, let's you know,
31:04
Speaker 2: naturally we're leaning into uncomfortable things that the brain is
31:08
Speaker 2: set up to avoid.
31:10
Speaker 3: And so I think that it's leaning in.
31:15
Speaker 2: And it's also realizing that your identity and your truth
31:21
Speaker 2: about who you are never can be altered by the outcome.
31:26
Speaker 2: And when we start to understand that the truth of
31:31
Speaker 2: who we are is not going to be impacted by
31:34
Speaker 2: whether or not we succeed or fail, win or lose,
31:38
Speaker 2: it becomes a lot easier to show up and play
31:39
Speaker 2: the game, shoot our shot, take chances because we know
31:42
Speaker 2: again it goes back to that faith of knowing who
31:45
Speaker 2: we are and what we have to offer. And I
31:47
Speaker 2: think that you know, a great contribution was made in
31:50
Speaker 2: this space too with Ryan Holliday's book The Obstacle is
31:53
Speaker 2: the Way and how again the way too, it is
31:56
Speaker 2: through it.
31:56
Speaker 3: It's this idea that no I yearned for failure.
32:01
Speaker 2: I learned for pivots because in the pivot, I get
32:04
Speaker 2: closer to my destination. In the pivot, I learn more
32:07
Speaker 2: about myself. And again, not all of that is going
32:10
Speaker 2: to be the perspective we have in the midst of
32:13
Speaker 2: it and the adversity. Sometimes we got to just survive
32:15
Speaker 2: that thing and then get on the other side and
32:17
Speaker 2: pull over and reflect a bit, and then we get there.
32:20
Speaker 3: But I think that's important.
32:22
Speaker 4: I really love what you said, and you're right.
32:25
Speaker 1: So when your work is performance based, you have to
32:28
Speaker 1: learn how to deal with nerves. What advice do you
32:32
Speaker 1: give entertainers or athletes about getting out of their own head?
32:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the you know, the advice often
32:42
Speaker 2: is to go listen to you know, we have the
32:45
Speaker 2: music that we created, the Bilateral music. It's we're not
32:47
Speaker 2: the only ones to have it, but you know, we
32:49
Speaker 2: have it on Spotify and Apple Music, and so a
32:52
Speaker 2: lot of times before games, you know, we'll have our
32:54
Speaker 2: players listening to the music because it's Bilateral and there's
32:57
Speaker 2: time to heal volume one and two, and then there's
33:00
Speaker 2: level up volume one and.
33:01
Speaker 4: So people can subscribe to your playlist.
33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an album that's been released. It's free, they
33:07
Speaker 2: can download.
33:07
Speaker 4: It listen where how do they find it?
33:09
Speaker 3: Spotify and yeah, and Apple Music.
33:11
Speaker 4: But like on Doctor Mondo cheat code.
33:13
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the company cheat code Yeah so cool.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's out there, and so you know, I'll
33:18
Speaker 2: tell people listen to that music because what that music's
33:21
Speaker 2: going to do is essentially massage your brain into feeling
33:25
Speaker 2: more focused, more confident, more at peace. And so I
33:29
Speaker 2: think it's there is you know, just those internal practices
33:32
Speaker 2: of quieting yourself, turning within.
33:36
Speaker 1: We're taught, I think so often to follow our intellect,
33:41
Speaker 1: our mind. What's the difference between following your heart and
33:45
Speaker 1: your gut.
33:49
Speaker 2: I always go back to a quote and I don't
33:50
Speaker 2: even remember where I heard it, and I think it
33:52
Speaker 2: was on a podcast. I think it was on a
33:54
Speaker 2: Tim Ferris podcast. The guest he had on there said
33:57
Speaker 2: something about Native Americans used to say, you have three brains.
34:02
Speaker 2: The first brains in your gut, the second brains in
34:04
Speaker 2: your heart, the third brains in your head. And they'd
34:06
Speaker 2: say the problem with the West is that they've divorced
34:09
Speaker 2: themselves from the first two brains become self reliant on
34:11
Speaker 2: the third. So I think that you know that the
34:16
Speaker 2: gut is again, it's this sense that I know that
34:18
Speaker 2: I know that I know you know.
34:20
Speaker 3: How do you know that you love someone?
34:21
Speaker 2: You may argue that's from the heart, but I also
34:23
Speaker 2: believe that if it's true, it's it's a gut oral feeling.
34:28
Speaker 3: It's this.
34:29
Speaker 2: So I think that the gut is something that you
34:31
Speaker 2: just feel, this sense of unshakable belief in. To go
34:36
Speaker 2: back to that again, I think the heart is something
34:39
Speaker 2: that feels. I think the heart feels and we just feel,
34:42
Speaker 2: and I think that there's intuition that is derived from
34:45
Speaker 2: both the heart and the gut, and I think that
34:47
Speaker 2: those are the places to look to. I think the
34:49
Speaker 2: third is you know again, it's it's not to it's
34:52
Speaker 2: not to say we don't need the frontal lobe of
34:54
Speaker 2: our brains to analyze. It's it's how we've advanced this
34:57
Speaker 2: far as humans. So so I think we should keep it.
35:01
Speaker 2: But I think what we shouldn't do is we shouldn't
35:04
Speaker 2: over we shouldn't rely upon it, especially with the big
35:06
Speaker 2: decisions in our lives, because it's very easy to talk
35:10
Speaker 2: ourselves into things that logically make sense but aren't for us.
35:14
Speaker 2: I see people all the time who were raised to
35:17
Speaker 2: live a certain way, and it's almost like the people
35:21
Speaker 2: in their lives, whether it's their parents or society, is
35:24
Speaker 2: the director and they gave them this role and they're like, well, crap,
35:27
Speaker 2: I don't know how to play this character, but let
35:30
Speaker 2: me do my best. And then after a while they
35:32
Speaker 2: just feel like this sucks. Like this is what life's about,
35:35
Speaker 2: and we need to listen to our guts because our
35:38
Speaker 2: gut is telling us who the true character of the
35:40
Speaker 2: film is and who we truly are. I think too
35:43
Speaker 2: often when we make choices about careers or partners or things,
35:47
Speaker 2: it's all up here. The reason I love betting on
35:50
Speaker 2: my gut is that I can live with that. If
35:53
Speaker 2: my gut's telling me that I need to do something
35:56
Speaker 2: and it seems bold and it ends up being ridiculous,
36:00
Speaker 2: I can live with it, being like I don't know,
36:02
Speaker 2: I just had a feeling on that I had to
36:04
Speaker 2: go with it right when it comes to me intellectually
36:08
Speaker 2: convincing myself it's the right conclusion, it's harder for me
36:11
Speaker 2: to live with that, so true.
36:14
Speaker 1: I was also thinking the heart sort of leads us,
36:17
Speaker 1: the gut guides us.
36:19
Speaker 3: That's good.
36:21
Speaker 4: I don't know what my brain does. My brain makes
36:24
Speaker 4: me crazy.
36:25
Speaker 3: That's what over complicates everything.
36:27
Speaker 4: The brain over complicates stuff.
36:29
Speaker 2: But there are three different personalities if you think about heart,
36:32
Speaker 2: and that's where it's like we have parts of self
36:34
Speaker 2: and so the brain is the you know, the super responsible,
36:40
Speaker 2: you know, person that wants it makes us sure. Yeah,
36:45
Speaker 2: And when we get all three signing off on something,
36:48
Speaker 2: you know that that's the best.
36:50
Speaker 4: That's when you really know.
36:51
Speaker 3: That's when you know.
36:54
Speaker 1: When you talk about self expression, you said something really interesting,
36:58
Speaker 1: you said, some of us have accepted our programming and
37:00
Speaker 1: our survival mode responses as our personality.
37:03
Speaker 4: Can you elaborate on that.
37:06
Speaker 2: I think there's no better example than looking at poor
37:09
Speaker 2: neighborhoods right now.
37:11
Speaker 3: So so many people in poor neighborhoods have grown to.
37:17
Speaker 2: Internalize and tell the story of themselves, of who they are,
37:20
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's aggressive or passive or and many
37:24
Speaker 2: of those are responses to the trauma the ndoor every day,
37:28
Speaker 2: just from existing in a world full of.
37:33
Speaker 3: Trauma and violence and threat.
37:37
Speaker 2: So I think that I think it's really important when
37:40
Speaker 2: you learn the theory of trauma, all of us should
37:43
Speaker 2: that when we learn and understand that the body will
37:46
Speaker 2: go into a place of self preservation and the body
37:49
Speaker 2: will always fight to keep us safe, and the way
37:53
Speaker 2: that it will fight is sometimes by going into fight, flight, freeze,
37:57
Speaker 2: or fawning, and that we can start to believe that's
38:02
Speaker 2: truly who we are. Like some people developed, they may say, like,
38:06
Speaker 2: I just love to make everyone happy, that's my personality.
38:09
Speaker 2: Well is it your personality or did you grow up
38:11
Speaker 2: in a family system where you had to do that
38:14
Speaker 2: in order to survive that if people weren't happy, then
38:17
Speaker 2: the household energy would be off and you wouldn't get
38:20
Speaker 2: fed or you know, so there's I think it's really interesting.
38:23
Speaker 2: I watched this happen a lot. People's stories that they
38:26
Speaker 2: tell of themselves change the more they heal their trauma,
38:29
Speaker 2: the more they remove themselves from traumatic experiences.
38:32
Speaker 3: They go, wait a minute, that was just me.
38:35
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen you know, women and men who
38:40
Speaker 2: may tell stories of themselves of being aggressive and you know,
38:43
Speaker 2: I have an anger problem. And really it was there
38:46
Speaker 2: was context that they were in that were stimulating that
38:49
Speaker 2: survival response. So was it really that that's who you
38:53
Speaker 2: are at your core? Or was that just you surviving?
38:55
Speaker 2: It's it's something that we don't we don't really look
38:59
Speaker 2: at because because we don't still have a full understanding
39:03
Speaker 2: of trauma societally or trauma. IQ isn't high enough yet
39:08
Speaker 2: and it will happen over time. The more that we
39:10
Speaker 2: learn to where we understand the impacts that trauma has
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Speaker 2: on how we behave and how.
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Speaker 3: We show up.
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Speaker 1: The conversation as a whole around mental health has changed
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Speaker 1: so much over the years. I know that cheat code
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Speaker 1: is kind of based on that idea. You really want
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Speaker 1: to open up the conversation where are we and what
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Speaker 1: is cheat code doing to try and move that forward.
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Speaker 3: We're in a place that.
39:38
Speaker 2: Seemed a bit outlandish at the beginning of the decade.
39:43
Speaker 3: On January first, twenty twenty, I was.
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Speaker 2: On a local news channel being interviewed about thoughts about
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Speaker 2: what this decade will be defined on reflecting and I said,
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Speaker 2: this will be the decade defined by mental health. It
39:57
Speaker 2: just felt like we were progressing in that way. COVID
39:59
Speaker 2: was the accelerator though. You know, we went from overnight
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Speaker 2: feeling like some people had mental health struggles or experiences
40:08
Speaker 2: or a mental health story, to overnight, now men women
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Speaker 2: regardless of age or demographic. We've reduced so much stigma
40:17
Speaker 2: so quickly that everyone goes, yeah, like that stuff applies
40:21
Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 3: And that's a huge, huge win.
40:24
Speaker 2: But it's also putting us in a very dangerous position
40:28
Speaker 2: because now we have so many people that are looking
40:31
Speaker 2: to engage in experiencing healing transformation. And what's being exposed
40:40
Speaker 2: is that we don't have an adequate enough mental health
40:44
Speaker 2: system in place in society. We don't have a system
40:47
Speaker 2: that's accessible. It's really hard to find support when you're struggling.
40:54
Speaker 2: It's super expensive, and you know, people, even if you
40:59
Speaker 2: have insurance, you don't know how to navigate that, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of people don't. The most traumatized folks in
41:05
Speaker 2: our society often have no clue or no empowerment, or
41:09
Speaker 2: no access to mental health services. So I think there's
41:13
Speaker 2: so much good in saying that we'vened, you know, we're
41:16
Speaker 2: ending stigma. It's a big part of what cheat code
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Speaker 2: has been about. But cheat code was created because there
41:22
Speaker 2: is this feeling that we have to do more. And
41:25
Speaker 2: you know, there's two sides of cheat code. One is
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Speaker 2: a nonprofit side, the other is a for profit company.
41:33
Speaker 2: The for profit company got it start first with working
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Speaker 2: with athletes, musicians, entertainers, and.
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Speaker 3: The idea was, Okay, I'll give you the cheat.
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Speaker 2: Code to your mental health, but you have to go
41:44
Speaker 2: be an advocate because I need you to help move
41:46
Speaker 2: the stigma.
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Speaker 3: Thing forward quickly. As that's been.
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Speaker 2: Happening, now the focus shifts to what we're doing on
41:51
Speaker 2: the foundation side. We're getting ready right now to hopefully
41:54
Speaker 2: fingers Crossed get a significant amount of money from a
42:00
Speaker 2: city here locally. I won't name the city yet, but
42:03
Speaker 2: we're in talks and that city would be turning over
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Speaker 2: its mental health system to us in admitting that it's
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Speaker 2: not really as accessible or as effective as it needs
42:14
Speaker 2: to be, so we need to transform it. And that's
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Speaker 2: where I want cheat Code and Cheat Code Foundation to
42:21
Speaker 2: be and myself to be more involved as in redesigning
42:25
Speaker 2: the mental health system to make it more accessible and
42:28
Speaker 2: then raise the standard of care to where people should
42:32
Speaker 2: be getting the highest standard of care, not because of
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Speaker 2: any certain demographics, just because if they need it, they
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Speaker 2: deserve it. It's a human rights issue in my mind.
42:43
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, we have ninety seconds for
42:47
Speaker 1: some rapid fire.
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Speaker 3: Are you ready for ninety seconds? Okay? Rapid fire a.
42:50
Speaker 1: Model you live by, no regrets, true or false attitude would.
42:57
Speaker 4: Always win out over ability.
43:00
Speaker 3: True.
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Speaker 1: Your dream client, my.
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Speaker 2: Dream client I think of the first thing that comes
43:06
Speaker 2: to my mind is someone in juvenile hall, but people
43:08
Speaker 2: I've worked with in juvenile hall. Dream client is someone
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Speaker 2: that has so much, so many gifts that they just
43:16
Speaker 2: they can't see, and no one's ever been able to
43:18
Speaker 2: shine a light onto them. The people that have been
43:21
Speaker 2: cast away in society, those are the people.
43:22
Speaker 3: That I want to go in power.
43:24
Speaker 1: A small purchase that you've made that's made a big
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Speaker 1: impact on your life.
43:28
Speaker 2: This is, I guess, not a small purchase in terms
43:30
Speaker 2: of monetary amount, but they are small, and I'll just
43:33
Speaker 2: say that they're worth every penny they air pod pros
43:35
Speaker 2: they've shanged, Sorry shameless Apple plan.
43:38
Speaker 4: Aren't those bad for our brains?
43:40
Speaker 3: You know what they may be? And you're probably right.
43:43
Speaker 2: I need to probably do more more research, But that's
43:46
Speaker 2: called cognitive dissonance.
43:48
Speaker 3: I love them. I don't want to know this stuff.
43:50
Speaker 3: Don't tell me that.
43:52
Speaker 1: Okay, one too? Will you use to shake off a
43:54
Speaker 1: bad day.
43:56
Speaker 3: Knowing that I'm that I'm loved, you know? And that's
43:58
Speaker 3: where my faith comes in.
43:59
Speaker 2: Is that just going back to knowing that I have
44:03
Speaker 2: in my concept of faith that there's a father in
44:06
Speaker 2: Heaven who loves me unconditionally for who I am, doesn't
44:09
Speaker 2: need me to show up and.
44:10
Speaker 3: Be anyone other than who I am in order to
44:12
Speaker 3: be loved.
44:13
Speaker 2: And that's enough, and that usually is enough to get
44:15
Speaker 2: me back to where I need to be.
44:17
Speaker 1: A book that you've read that changed your life something
44:19
Speaker 1: you think everyone.
44:20
Speaker 3: Should read, The autobiography of Malcolm X.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very common answer on this podcast.
44:26
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
44:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that came into my life when I was in
44:30
Speaker 2: high school and it was one of the only books
44:33
Speaker 2: I probably read and I couldn't get enough of it.
44:36
Speaker 2: And you know, it led me to love X and
44:41
Speaker 2: love Ali, And yeah, it was a book that changed
44:43
Speaker 2: my life.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I have somewhere behind these pillows, the card
44:47
Speaker 1: debt question everything.
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Speaker 3: This is great, by the way, I love these.
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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.
44:52
Speaker 3: This is so cool.
44:53
Speaker 4: You're getting yours in the.
44:54
Speaker 3: Mail, getting mine in the mail? Really? Okay?
44:57
Speaker 1: Of course I look at this, yeah, to read it
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Speaker 1: out and answer, and.
45:03
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, no, it's for you. Oh okay, what's
45:06
Speaker 2: the story behind your name?
45:08
Speaker 3: Oh? This is funny. What's your nickname? Who gave it
45:10
Speaker 3: to you? Okay?
45:12
Speaker 2: So I'm thin slicing a lot here and just doing
45:15
Speaker 2: what comes to me first. So the story behind my name.
45:19
Speaker 2: I'm named after my father. I'm a junior Armando Gonzalez.
45:23
Speaker 2: And you know, my dad was from Mexico City and
45:27
Speaker 2: my dad was super proud to be Mexican and I'm
45:30
Speaker 2: named after him. And so that's the story behind my name.
45:33
Speaker 2: What's my nickname? I remember being in elementary school and
45:37
Speaker 2: someone started calling me Mondo man, and then that turned
45:40
Speaker 2: into Mondo. And then when I started, you know, working
45:43
Speaker 2: and got my doctorate, people started calling me doctor Armando,
45:45
Speaker 2: and then it became doctor Mondo. And that's that's That's
45:48
Speaker 2: where I'm at. And who gave that to me? Just
45:52
Speaker 2: you know again, it's other people give you your nickname.
45:54
Speaker 3: You can't pick it for yourself.
45:57
Speaker 1: The smartest decision you've ever made.
46:01
Speaker 2: To realize that I can't do it on my own,
46:04
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that goes back to my
46:06
Speaker 2: faith journey of realizing that there were limits I would
46:10
Speaker 2: face on my own, and that I had to eventually
46:12
Speaker 2: surrender to something bigger than me, and that was terrifying,
46:16
Speaker 2: but it's worked out really well and I'm glad I
46:18
Speaker 2: did it, and I think it's pretty smart in hindsight.
46:21
Speaker 4: Pretty smart she did there.
46:24
Speaker 3: I did it without even without even trying to. I
46:28
Speaker 3: only get one of those. Gosh, I want ten more.
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Speaker 1: Well, you got the whole pat perfect, Thank you, thank
46:33
Speaker 1: you so much. All right, today is a good day.
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Speaker 4: To have a good day.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.