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Hutton & Withrow: Titans Revoke Jared Stillman’s Credential, Lane Kiffin vs. SEC & Tennessee’s $120M Deal | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 2: So we're excited to be a part of it, Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited, too, for today. We have our first two
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  Speaker 2: guests we've ever had on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Karen Krause will join us. That's coming
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  Speaker 1: up in less than an hour, where we will chat
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  Speaker 1: with her about joining Sporting State from the New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: And Karen Krause, the latest addition, she'll join us. That's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later. Plus, Jared Stillman. who can't go
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  Speaker 1: cover the Tennessee Titans practices anymore. His credential has been revoked, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it when I saw the news. We
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  Speaker 2: got the news broken to us from the person who
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  Speaker 2: had the credential revoked in a text from Jared Stillman.
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  Speaker 2: And when I read the text, and it was a
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  Speaker 2: story from our old colleague, Paul Koharski, writing the story
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  Speaker 2: that his media credential had been revoked, it was one
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  Speaker 2: of those, Hutton, where I did the double take, thinking,
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  Speaker 2: is this like AI-generated, not real, Is this a fake story,
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  Speaker 2: fake news?
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  Speaker 1: And then I read it. I'm like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: very much real.
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  Speaker 2: We were surprised when Jared Curtis wasn't the starting quarterback
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  Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt, right? I'm typically not overly surprised about certain things. Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: you know this organization better than most human beings alive,
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  Speaker 2: I would say. So I want to cede the floor
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  Speaker 2: to you on this and what this says about the Titans.
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  Speaker 2: I think my initial response was just that of surprise.
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  Speaker 2: that an NFL team would behave in this small manner.
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  Speaker 2: Because we get on the WNBA for not being big time, right?
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  Speaker 2: The most big time of big time things in American
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  Speaker 2: sport is the NFL. So it does surprise me when
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  Speaker 2: I see an NFL organization behave in a way that
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  Speaker 2: I just think is very much beneath them. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what the Titans did with this, with revoking the credential
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  Speaker 2: of Jared Stillman, Very shortly after, he had a small
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  Speaker 2: exchange with Cam Ward that was a bunch of nothing,
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  Speaker 2: where he asked him a question about his evaluation, and
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  Speaker 2: Cam Ward asked it back to him, and he said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you feel that way, next question. And they
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  Speaker 2: moved on, and then they revoked his credential.
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  Speaker 1: What were your thoughts? I thought it was soft. I
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  Speaker 1: thought the organization's being soft. And par for the course,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, with what we've seen. This is state-run media now,
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  Speaker 1: is what it comes across as. And I was told
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  Speaker 1: that it was Robert Sala that walked in and told
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  Speaker 1: the beat writers that this was happening right before the
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  Speaker 1: general manager spoke. So, yeah, if it was Robert Sala,
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  Speaker 1: then Robert Sala is not learning from his past mistakes
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  Speaker 1: in New York. I don't know if he's the one
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  Speaker 1: that came down with it, but he's the one that
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  Speaker 1: informed the rest of the media corps about it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm told.
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  Speaker 2: He came down and told the media corps that they
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  Speaker 2: were revoking Jared Stillman's credential?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm told, yes, Chad. That's what I'm told.
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  Speaker 1: As like a warning shot? Not a warning shot. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Don't twist what I'm saying. Not a warning shot. He's
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  Speaker 1: just the one that informed everyone before Jared Stillman could
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  Speaker 1: get it out. Okay. So that's how Paul reported it. Yes, correct. Okay. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Jared had just leaked it to Paul. I
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  Speaker 1: did too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Paul had a full story written too, pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: So I assume that Jared told him and then he
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  Speaker 2: got with the Titans and then he wrote his, his
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  Speaker 2: opinion piece on it, which I mean, look, Paul said
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  Speaker 2: what everybody in media understands that it's a mistake by
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  Speaker 2: the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: He said that in a video, he said that in
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  Speaker 1: his story also. I mean, I'm not as harsh as
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  Speaker 1: we're saying, not as harsh as we're saying that it's
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  Speaker 1: soft and it's, and it's ridiculous. I mean, look at,
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  Speaker 1: Paul also said that Jared's probably reveling in this. He's
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  Speaker 1: probably gleefully skipping around. I don't think that's the case either. Right?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't think so at all. But look,
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  Speaker 2: I would also say that this could help Jared. It's
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  Speaker 2: not going to be a lasting thing. Like these stories
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  Speaker 2: go away pretty quick. We're going to talk to Jared
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  Speaker 2: Stillman later in the show about this, too, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: hear it straight from him about how he feels about
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  Speaker 2: it and whether or not he wants to actually try
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  Speaker 2: to get the credential back at some point.
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  Speaker 1: We'll ask him all those questions.
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  Speaker 2: We'll ask him to defend himself against what people are
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  Speaker 2: saying as to why he got it taken away, and
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  Speaker 2: he can explain everything about it. Hutton, what I've seen, though,
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  Speaker 2: the reaction from media is people that are longstanding media
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  Speaker 2: members that have done it for a long time or
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  Speaker 2: even if they don't like Jared, are like, this is
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  Speaker 2: a soft move by the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: It's stupid.
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  Speaker 2: This and that, right? I saw Joe Rexroad post that.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen others. We're going to be harder than most
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  Speaker 1: on that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what this is?
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  Speaker 1: What? Say that again? You know what this is? This
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  Speaker 1: is Vanderbilt Commodores-era James Franklin, where they want apologies read
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  Speaker 1: on the air. This is Nashville Predators-era Chad, you better
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  Speaker 1: stop singing the national anthem. We're going to take P.K.
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  Speaker 1: Subban off a 3HL era. Yeah, you're right. This is
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  Speaker 1: National Predators soft. Now it's the Tennessee Titans. That's who
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  Speaker 1: they are. This is their era of that, which is
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  Speaker 1: weak sauce, man. You're spot on.
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  Speaker 2: And for those that don't know the story, the National
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  Speaker 2: Predators at one point did threaten our old radio station
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  Speaker 2: because I had the audacity to break who the national
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  Speaker 2: anthem singer was going to be throughout the playoff run
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  Speaker 2: of 2019.
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  Speaker 1: 2019, 2017. 2017.
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  Speaker 2: 2017 to the Stanley Cup final that I was breaking
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  Speaker 2: the national anthem singer every day on our old show,
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  Speaker 2: the Midday 180, and the Preds got so mad. well,
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  Speaker 2: Sean Henry got so mad that he called our radio
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  Speaker 2: station and threatened to pull P.K.
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  Speaker 1: Subban off another show, which.
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  Speaker 2: Put me in a very difficult spot in that, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to cost this segment for our station if
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  Speaker 2: you keep doing it. But I fought it, and we
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  Speaker 2: fought it. We've also been demanded to make an apology
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  Speaker 2: for something we didn't say, for having a reporter on
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  Speaker 2: who had a report and were forced to apologize by Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Hutton, and what really irritates me, and I...
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  Speaker 2: Most of this is from nameless, faceless Twitter bot accounts
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  Speaker 2: that don't even have, some of them didn't even bother
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  Speaker 2: to put a picture next to their avatar. It's just
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  Speaker 2: people cursing Stillman or cursing us or praising the Titans
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  Speaker 2: or you're going to be next. Oh, thank God the
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  Speaker 2: Titans did this. Now they've given a message to all media,
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  Speaker 2: fall in line or get out. I can't say this
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  Speaker 2: any stronger that you're a part of the problem because
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  Speaker 2: the Titans are an organization.
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  Speaker 1: They have antenna ears. At all times.
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  Speaker 2: They're reading the comments. They're listening to the shows. They're
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  Speaker 2: watching the shows like ours. And if your response is
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly positive that someone is going Gestapo with their media policies,
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  Speaker 2: you're a part of the problem. I don't care how
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  Speaker 2: diehard of a fan you are. I don't care if
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  Speaker 2: you've sat in Section 324 for the last 20 years.
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  Speaker 2: You are a part of the problem by defending that
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  Speaker 2: level of softness with an organization. And Hutton, I think
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  Speaker 2: what we've been saying throughout consistently is, Please, oh please,
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  Speaker 2: just focus on the things that can get this team
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  Speaker 2: back to winning and not stupid BS like this.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what that is? Focus on stopping Geno
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  Speaker 1: Smith on third down whenever they play week one. Focus
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  Speaker 1: on running the football against the Jets organization that last
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  Speaker 1: year their team gave up almost as much as the
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  Speaker 1: Giants did on the ground. I mean, they're really, really
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  Speaker 1: bad run defense. Focus on winning week one, something the
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  Speaker 1: organization hasn't done routinely. at all over the course of
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  Speaker 1: the last 10 to 15 years. In fact, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to get an exact number on that just to point
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  Speaker 1: out the emphasis of how much they've sucked in the
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  Speaker 1: month of September. They don't win in the month of September.
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  Speaker 1: They talk about December all this time. They talk about
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  Speaker 1: April more than they talk about September nowadays around this organization.
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  Speaker 1: They talk about the draft instead of week one. And
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  Speaker 1: this is why. They're less than two weeks away from
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  Speaker 1: kicking off And they're worried about a reporter hurting the
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  Speaker 1: feelings of their number one overall pick after the head
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  Speaker 1: coach went on Rich Eisen and said they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to coddle the dude. Again, Robert Sala's tenure in New York,
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  Speaker 1: he was overemphasizing what the media was saying about him
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  Speaker 1: and his team and about media restrictions. And right now,
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  Speaker 1: perception is reality. where it's much more relaxed in Nashville
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  Speaker 1: than it is New York as a media core. And still,
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  Speaker 1: the media stands over three football fields away, according to
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  Speaker 1: what the media has said. They're standing where they can't
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  Speaker 1: even see a practice or what they can report on
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  Speaker 1: or what they can or can't see. Not during training camp,
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  Speaker 1: but what they're about to witness. This is what happened
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  Speaker 1: during minicamp, I believe. And the reporter is no longer
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  Speaker 1: credentialed because he's a YouTuber who dared to ask Cam
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  Speaker 1: Ward a question. And he has no need to be
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  Speaker 1: in that setting. It just so happened that that decision
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  Speaker 1: came down on the eve of when their general manager
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  Speaker 1: was going to speak. I mean, again, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about playing hardball and bringing the fight and
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  Speaker 1: being all gas, no break as an organization, how about DBAP?
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  Speaker 1: Or SBAP in this case. Stop being a pussy. It's
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  Speaker 1: well said, Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: And if this is the case that Robert Sala is
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  Speaker 2: the one who unilaterally made this decision. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: you're saying he unilaterally made it, but if he's involving
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  Speaker 2: himself in going and addressing the media to say that, uh, to,
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  Speaker 2: in their world, the record to chat, a low level YouTuber,
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  Speaker 2: not addressing the media.
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  Speaker 1: Let me, let me just jump in, not addressing the media,
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  Speaker 1: just letting them know the pot, like off the record, like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is going to happen here. This is
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  Speaker 1: what's going to, what you're going to see. This is what,
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  Speaker 1: what the team's doing. He's no longer here. Um, That's
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  Speaker 1: a threat. I mean, that is a threat. The whole
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  Speaker 1: action is it. And that's why this cannot happen. That's
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  Speaker 1: why this matters is because for anybody left, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to show everyone else. We mean business when
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: we say you need to talk glowingly about the Titans.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: You don't need to make fun of us. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need to point out the facts that this team hasn't
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  Speaker 1: won back-to-back games since John Robinson was the general manager.
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  Speaker 1: Or we'll just revoke your credential because you're just a YouTuber.
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  Speaker 1: We'll revise our media policy to make sure that the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are allowed through these gates are the ones
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  Speaker 1: that are going to regurgitate the BS that we've been
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  Speaker 1: pumping out here since we've been a losing franchise. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what they are. They're a loser franchise right now.
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  Speaker 1: They are talked about more for what happens off the
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  Speaker 1: field than on. And if we talked about what happens on,
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  Speaker 1: you get your credential revoked. I just....
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  Speaker 2: And I'm hearing this for the first time about Salah.
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  Speaker 2: And I knew about some of the stuff in New
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  Speaker 2: York also. This is really damning to him and what
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be as a coach.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. It's really damning. And I want everybody out.
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  Speaker 2: There to put their feelings aside about Jared Stillman or
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  Speaker 2: about he's too negative or he's a bad faith actor
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  Speaker 2: or whatever the hell that means or whatever you think
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  Speaker 2: about him, okay? I need everybody out there that's going
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  Speaker 2: to watch this clip, or is watching the show right
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  Speaker 2: now to understand this. This is a bad thing for you,
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  Speaker 2: the fan. This is a bad thing for the sport.
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  Speaker 2: This is a bad thing for your favorite organization, if
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  Speaker 2: you are a Titans fan.
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  Speaker 1: It's not funny.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if you think Jared Stillman is the
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  Speaker 2: biggest dick on the planet, and you don't ever want
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  Speaker 2: to hear him or talk to him, whatever, or he's
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  Speaker 2: wronged you in some way in the past, or he
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  Speaker 2: cut you off on a phone call when you called
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  Speaker 2: his radio station. Put all of those personal feelings aside
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  Speaker 2: and understand that, that this is a very bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen some other YouTubers that continue to get access
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  Speaker 2: to the Titans that write a blog or do a
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  Speaker 2: show on YouTube, and they're saying, let me say it
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  Speaker 2: in two ways. Jared Stillman has done plenty for the
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  Speaker 2: organization to hate him.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. And revoke it. Stop. Stop it right there.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Teams hate reporters all the time, Hutton.
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  Speaker 1: This is nothing new. No.
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  Speaker 2: We've worked with people that teams hated the reporter. You
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  Speaker 2: think Vrabel and company, that they wanted to enact a
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  Speaker 2: new media policy?
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  Speaker 1: Of course they did. And you're right. We have worked
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  Speaker 1: with people.
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  Speaker 2: And the Titans organization is allowing a coach... in Robert Salish,
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  Speaker 2: who I like in his public-facing demeanor and what he
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  Speaker 2: says and what he talks about with the team. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a good defensive coordinator. I think Brian Dayball's
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  Speaker 2: a great offensive coordinator. I think the two of them
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  Speaker 2: together on both sides of the football and then with
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: Bones Fossil on special teams could work with good players, right,
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  Speaker 2: for the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: But let's also say this fact.
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  Speaker 2: He's a failure as a head coach so far in
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  Speaker 2: his career.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he is. And I'll leave it there. You're allowing–
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  Speaker 1: this is not– Time to prove it.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't hire John Harbaugh, right, who's won a Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl and won for many, many years as the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: head coach to come in, and then he says, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: this is how we did in Baltimore, and I won
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  Speaker 2: a damn lot of games doing this. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: do this in Nashville now. This is the new media policy.
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  Speaker 2: You're allowing a failed head coach to come in and
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  Speaker 2: dictate media policy, and you've got the little lapdogs all
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  Speaker 2: over Nashville that cover that team daily that are, well,
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  Speaker 2: he did plenty– To get himself, come on, man. And
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  Speaker 2: also the team employees that are sitting by and defending it,
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  Speaker 2: that are also in media, that also have multiple jobs,
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  Speaker 2: that aren't just on the payroll of the team, but
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  Speaker 2: on payroll of an actual media company, and you don't
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  Speaker 2: have a problem with this, you have no backbone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about the employees that are outside of
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  Speaker 1: the practice facility.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the employees that take a check to
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  Speaker 2: do Titans broadcast and also host radio shows.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: If you're not outwardly saying this is a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: BS just because you don't like the guy, then you
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  Speaker 2: are a part of the problem. I'm lumping you in
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  Speaker 2: with everybody else. You're a part of the Gestapo. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, join right in.
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  Speaker 1: They did less for someone who was talking about what
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  Speaker 1: happened on the team flight. That's true. That person just
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: had to fly commercial. Fly commercial. Had to book their
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  Speaker 1: own flight, yep. Just saying. I mean, if you think
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  Speaker 1: it's not directed, let's just look at it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Same regime, by the way. It's crazy. It's crazy that
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  Speaker 1: the Titans would bend their will. Acting ownership and Mike Borgonzi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Titans' ownership bending their will to a failed
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  Speaker 2: head coach so far in his career. going for a
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  Speaker 2: second try at doing something successfully.
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  Speaker 1: Is crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever made this decision would have been crazy to me,
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  Speaker 2: but the fact that now we believe the head coach
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  Speaker 2: is behind it.
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  Speaker 1: that he's the one that's behind it. He's not behind it.
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  Speaker 1: He delivered the information to the media. That's all I said. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I said. He's not behind it. Now, maybe
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  Speaker 1: Chad Burton. I said Burke. Dondi Plowman. Dondi Plowman is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: talking tough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I've got quotes here in front of me
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: with her. She's the head of the SEC Leadership Committee, basically,
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  Speaker 2: of presidents and chancellors. And she has been quoted as saying,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: we have a responsibility to try and lead the best
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: we can in this time of chaos. Our group is
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: united on this. This is not a rule we will
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: budge on. Enough is enough. It's not a new rule.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: We didn't just cook up a rule. The way we
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: see it, we are a voluntary membership organization, and we
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: have a right to set and enforce our rules. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: want to clarify, this is not about the five for five.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: This is about if you signed a contract, you signed
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a contract. That's always been the bottom line. You don't
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: get to unsign it and come back. And now this
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: is on the eve of a court hearing Thursday in Statehouse.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: court in Baton Rouge, where a judge will decide whether
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: or not to issue a preliminary injunction in this on
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: behalf of the SEC, who's trying to get the preliminary
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: injunction to say, we do have the right to levy
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: penalties against our own conference, which sounds crazy. But because
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: of other court rulings, they have to specify this.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It does sound crazy. We don't have a right to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: levy penalties if we don't want to.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and for them to come back and say that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and now mixing with that also, you've got the college
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: football playoff committee and college football playoff leaders. They're discussing
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: implementing rules that would automatically disqualify a program that plays
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: an ex-NFL player.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Which is what we wanted from the tournament back with Alabama.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we wanted the committee to come out and say,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: all right, then you're ineligible for the tournament.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The SEC can't do anything, but we will. And look,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's going to be.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Some lawsuit from all the lawyers that are on social
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: media all day long saying that they're going to sue
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff Committee if they try to do
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: this and make them ineligible. So that's going to be
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: part of it. Look, everybody's talking. To me, it's all
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of this. It's like, you know, Robert Sala going in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and telling the media, hey, we're doing this. This is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: what's happening. Without saying you're next, what they're saying to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: LSU is, we are having discussions about doing all these things.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And the moment we get the favorable court ruling that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you continue to get, wherever you file it, we'll find
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: our friendly judges.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: We'll go file injunctions with them.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And if this thing dominoes down, we're going to possibly
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: ban you from the college football playoff. We're going to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: possibly suspend you for half a season if you're the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: head coach. We're going to make the players ineligible. We
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: have the right with the college football playoff to make
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you ineligible for the college football playoff. They're saying we're–
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: everything is they're having discussions. We're having discussions about this.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: There's no accident that they're putting this news out there,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that it's getting reported. They're leaking this news to Ross
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Dellinger and On3 Sports and all these different outlets because
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: they want the talk out there going into Thursday– in
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the hopes, which we still haven't seen, which I'm a
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: little bit surprised, but in the hopes that Lane Kiffin
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and LSU would just say, hey guys, this is clearly
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a pretty big deal for the SEC and college football,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: so we're just going to back off on this and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: let them go try to find a home somewhere else
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and do something else. Remember when Texas Tech initially was
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: going to roster Brendan Sorsby? And they're like, we're going
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to send him to gambling rehab. We're going to help him.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: We will support him. He is not in trouble. He
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: will be suspended for the home opener against whoever the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: hell they play.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And that's it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: This kid deserves the right to play. And then everybody
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: crushed him. The Big 12, the NCAA is like, no, no, no,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we're going to make him ineligible. All that talk started.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And this was after they had their little fireside chat
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: where Joey McGuire and Cody Campbell and the university president
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: all got together and they discussed. It looked like a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: hostage video. They discussed why they were keeping Brendan Sorsby.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And then a day later, what happened? They released a statement. Yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's best that we just let him go.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and we move forward with Will Hammond at quarterback. I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: keep waiting on LSU to do this, but they are
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: showing clearly they are a different breed than every other
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: program and every other school in America.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Also, last I checked, I thought this was just for
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a 2022 deal because of that fifth-year option. The way
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: everyone's reacting to this sure feels like it's more than that,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: or could be, could lead to more than that down
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the road if this begins to happen. They're trying to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: end this now.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Look, you give someone an inch, and they're going to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: take a mile. And I think they know that with
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: not just Lane Kiffin, but other coaches that could see
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: any type of advantage they could gain by doing this. Yes,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: now this is, and that's why Donde Plowman says, this
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is not about the five for five and all the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: players that are just trying to get that fifth year.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: This is about you signed an NFL contract or you
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: signed an NBA contract, in the case of Will Wade,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: also at LSU, with RJ Luis and others that he's recruiting.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Right now, he didn't really have a roster. He's trying
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to build his roster around former pros. So that would
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: set up his season for success or failure based on
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: these rulings. They're saying if you've signed a pro contract,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: this is not about firefighting. That's what Donde Plowman is
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: saying from Tennessee. Look, I like all the tough talk.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of threats right now going around.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I keep waiting.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'm refreshing my computer to see if news is breaking
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: about LSU standing down. And they are 10 toes down
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: right now. They are just like, we're going to let
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: these players decide if we're going to play.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Them or not.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, you also have decision-making power as a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: school and as a program to do what you want.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Steve Sarkeesian, he gets on the mic at his press
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: conference yesterday and says, it's immoral. He's like, I see
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it as a moral issue to your team. Like you're
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: going to bring someone in and you're going to tell
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: somebody who's been working for nine months, you know, hit
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the road. Now people immediately are like, well, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you did this with such and such player last year
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and you did this and that when you.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Brought this guy in and all that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And I get his broader point of what he's saying,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: but I keep going back to with Lane Kiffin, he
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just doesn't care about those things.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it factors in his brain.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like when he's talking, the way he's, you know, It's
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: almost like he's just so tunnel vision. It's borderline an
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: issue that he's like, I spoke to the leadership council
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and they all said, I.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Saw somebody.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, who was, I think it was Brandon Marcello
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of CBS that tweeted Hutton and said, this is like
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a dad going to their child and asking who's the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: best daddy in the world. when they're a small child,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: when Lane Kiffin goes to the leaders on his team
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and says, are you okay with me making the team better?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And if someone were to raise their hand and say,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you know, my roommate is this backup tight end, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: now his playing time is going to be affected.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. No one's going to say that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to Lane Kiffin. He's like, you know, I went to
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  Speaker 1: my team, and I asked, you know, hey, what do
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  Speaker 1: you guys prefer here? And they all said they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with it, whatever makes the team better.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he just says it like so nonchalant, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, of course they say whatever makes the team better,
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  Speaker 1: because Their spot's not being replaced. Yes. And Daddy is
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  Speaker 1: standing in front of them, asking them the question.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you don't want to be the guy that raises
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  Speaker 2: your hand as a player and says, you know what, Coach? Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I do have a problem with us being better, with
• 26:08
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  Speaker 2: did affect them a little bit, like with a rotation
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: or some snaps here or there, they're not going to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: be the one to do it because, A, you're– Your
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  Speaker 2: stance as a competitor is I'm going to beat the
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  Speaker 2: of course, I'm not going to sit here and tell
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  Speaker 1: Chad, the Tennessee Volunteers are getting paid how much to
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  Speaker 2: They're getting paid $ 12 million a year to wear a
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  Speaker 2: of three million for men's and women's basketball. That puts
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  Speaker 2: they set the bar higher than anyone's going to set it.
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  Speaker 2: But they're making $ 17 million.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State signed a deal. All 26 men's and women's sports.
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  Speaker 2: They're making $ 17.
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  Speaker 1: Million a year.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame is making $ 18 million a year. That day,
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  Speaker 2: to be on all, and again, all of their jerseys, okay? 26,
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  Speaker 2: that's $ 18 million. Danny White, you can say what you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: want about his bean-counting abilities and how he's way more
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: concerned with the money part of it than anything else,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: than the on-field or on-court stuff, which I think is
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a little bit ridiculous because he knows that that part
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: of it feeds the other part of it very well
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: when you're winning. He has worked out a situation where
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee now has only three of their sports covered.
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  Speaker 1: And they're at $ 15 million.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee could have the richest jersey patch deal of any
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: other school because they're patchworking it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Literally.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: They've got one company on a football jersey. They've got
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a different company on men's and women's basketball. The other
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: two valuable properties of any real value to sell a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: patch on would be baseball and softball.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So if they could get that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Number north of $ 2 or $ 3 million or around.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: That for both those sports.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: then they're going to be right there with Notre Dame
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and Ohio State. And look, that surprises me. I mean,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I understand Tennessee's a giant brand, but would I put
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  Speaker 2: what they would get for a jersey patch sponsorship? I wouldn't,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: right out of the gates, right? I would think those
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: schools would be a bit higher than Tennessee, but Danny
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: White orchestrated this in a way that they could reach
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the number of those schools. And also you flip it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to the Big 12 that got $ 20 million for every
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: team in the conference for every sport, and that was it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Well, to my knowledge, we only have, is it four
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: or five SEC programs that have this deal in place?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: There's not many.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot are either saying, like, Texas, we're
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: not going to do it, or we're going to wait
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a year to see what we do.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: We're going to see Tennessee set the floor, not the ceiling,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: but the floor, which is great for Tennessee and the
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  Speaker 1: SEC compared to everybody else because everybody else in the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Big Ten can't pull their weight when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: They're 12 for football only. What does that mean for Alabama?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: What does that mean for Auburn? What does that mean
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: for Texas or Texas A & M? Or Oklahoma? You know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: because right now, Arkansas has this, I know. I know
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt has a patch. And maybe one other one? Maybe
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: one other program that I'm, I can't remember who. Maybe LSU?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Is it LSU?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to look up to see
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who all has it in the SEC.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think LSU has a similar, like, Ohio State-esque contract
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: for all programs. But as far as for just specifically football,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's just Tennessee and the SEC right now
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that has something like this.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, according to AI on Google, LSU has partnered with
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Woodside Energy to feature a logo across all athletic uniforms.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Arkansas with Tyson Foods across all 19 varsity sports. Crazy
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to see the difference in the amount of sports. Arkansas
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: has 19 And Ohio State has 26 as an example.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt with SRM Concrete will be on the logo on
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the uniforms for just this year. That's a one-year deal.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Missouri has a corporate patch, and then now Tennessee. The
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: SEC schools have won.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So five. Yeah, so what's a corporate patch for Kentucky
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: worth on hoops? You know, I don't know. I don't
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: know the answer.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It's worth more than Tennessee basketball. I mean, if I'm
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the one that's trying to get the money for it, right? So,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, we know Tennessee got three, three, three and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a half for men's and women's basketball. I mean, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: think Kentucky could get four for men's basketball only, I
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: would say, if they worked it right. I mean, this
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: is a valuable piece of real estate for these athletic
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: departments that now they have to pay players.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: We all know that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So finding different ways to have other revenue streams– And
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: you give back to talent that's going to be on
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: your campus. It's a wise investment right now. And I think,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to talk to these companies to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: see like whatever factors they put in to see the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: value they get out of that. Like Pilot on Tennessee's
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: football field is an example. You know, I'm sure they
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: have all these things like the visibility they get for
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that is worth X amount of dollars in marketing for
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: their company. I'd love to talk to these companies about
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: how they feel about these partnerships and what they're getting
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: out of it. If it's a good, positive experience, then
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot more money rolling in
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: over the years, even more and more with the jersey patches.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I would say pilot, though, in essence, that's where your
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: NIL is coming from primarily anyway. Yeah. And you're finally
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: having a front-facing return on investment in some way, form,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: or fashion, right? Just for the Haslam family. That's how
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I would say we'll start to see some of the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: return on investment because otherwise, like, That's been my question
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on if you've been donating to NIL between 2021 and now.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's the return on investment if your team
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't make the college football playoff? Again, I think there's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of clout to it. There's a lot of, hey,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I'm the team owner, pat on the back thing. But
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: we really don't know very many names behind the money.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And this certainly puts a name behind the money.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark J. Burns at Sporting State wrote a
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: good piece about this, too. Talking about what you're mentioning, Hutton,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: that yes, now these big boosters that were giving money
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: with no return on investment now can go, if you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: A & M and you own an energy company, right,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and you wanted to go buy the patch, that oil
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: owner's spending a lot of money with the program anyways.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Now he gets something in return by putting his company's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: logo on the jersey or on the football field. Yeah,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's a good avenue for a lot of
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: these people that would, let's face it, that they're paying
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: money for suites at the basketball game or the football
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: game regardless. And now they can get a little bang
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: for their buck also. Look, it's smart business. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: if you don't, I think the risk is don't make
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: yourself look like a NASCAR vehicle. You don't want to,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: with the monster energy, like if the colored in monster energy,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the neon green is on every jersey, you risk cheapening
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the product. I think what I've seen with Tennessee so
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: far is a good example of, and I think JPMorgan.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Chase will be the same with Ohio State.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It's tough to even really notice that. Like the mock-up
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of the First Horizon in orange and white looks like
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a torchbearer patch or like something for an academic All-American,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you know, on their individual jersey. But everybody just has
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: one on there with that corporate logo. I think if
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you do it tastefully, it's a really good thing. JT,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: what do you got, brother?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Is this a.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Good idea for people like Tennessee to eat these large deals?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Because you look at, I mean, what's this going to
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: cost in America?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Seven years.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, we may look back and say a $ 10
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: million or $ 12 million deal was a bargain because this
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: rate may be $ 25 million a year in 10 years.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's like the CBS contract for media back in the day. Yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: It's a great question. Like Vanderbilt has a one-year deal,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I'm noticing, with SRM Concrete. So they could then go
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: re-up to somebody else a year from now and get,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what they're making, but get more
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: money than what they're making right now.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Does it escalate? I'm sure it escalates in some way.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: No, it's 10 years, $ 120 million. So it's $ 12 million
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a year for Tennessee. I don't know if it's paid
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: out $ 12 million a year.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. Or like it
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: goes up. But, yeah, it's just a 10-year deal. It's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: a good question. No, it is.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to see what the– JT, you're an Ohio
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: State guy. What's the length of contract for Ohio State
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: on this?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It was lengthy. I'll find out.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it says it's undisclosed, but there's some estimates as
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to how many years– It's going to go with JPMorgan Chase.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It also could be the way that you get that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: much money from that company. They're like, we'll only do
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it if we get it for 10 years. We don't
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: want to be wiped away and re-upped or knocked out
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: by somebody else in three years if we're going to
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: do this. So we're going to sign a long-term deal
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: if we're going to agree to this at all.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. JT, I was ball last night. Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy, there's nothing like a bunch of nine-year-old girls
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: playing softball.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: It was hot. I'll answer that. I'll give you that answer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: By the way, Ohio State, 15-17, it's just a multi-year, so.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: They're not giving up. Undisclosed.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: There's probably a lot of escalators in that. Yeah, it's
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: really bad when it's that hot at night after the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: sun goes down. I noticed that the other night for
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a 7.30 game. I'm like, I'm still sweating. Everyone here
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: is still sweating a lot just sitting here at night.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: That's not good.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: What'll be good will be Saturday in Shelbyville when we're
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: there at 6 a.m.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Until we lose four times. When you're there in Shelbyville,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you just go by like you're digging a hole with
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a shovel. It's welcome to shovel. Shovel, shovel, shovel. Just shovel.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It's S-H-O-V-E-L, shovel.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I got a schedule today, this morning, JT, for next weekend.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: We have our first two-day tournament, our first fall tournament
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: of the year. for September 12th and 13th. Six-game guarantee.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Start at 9 a.m., play at 10.40 a.m., then have
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a four-hour break, which I hate. Come back at 2.40,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: play at 2.40 and 4, back-to-back, and then come back
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: at 10 a.m. the next morning and then have another
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: game at noon. And the top six teams qualify for
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a single elimination tournament in that one. The one good
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: bit of news on that is Tennessee and Georgia Tech
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: play at night that Saturday. And my last game on
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Saturday is four. So while I can watch games on
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: my phone all day from the park, I will be
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: able to. And I'm not coaching anymore. So I'll have
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a lot more of my attention when I'm watching football
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: on the phone. I'll be able to get home and
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: watch Tennessee-Georgia Tech. Enjoy.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: You're looking forward to it. I'll keep you guys posted.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I know Ohio State plays Texas next week, right? Not
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Our good friend Kirby Allen Kirby. He was talking about
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: going to watch this game with his family, with family
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: members and friends up in Ohio. Now, of course, they're
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: playing down in Texas, but he was going to go
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: drive and watch Ohio State play with his family. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: he's talking about going to watch this game. Well, he's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: talking about how he's going to leave this weekend and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: be driving up to watch Ohio State and Texas. Turns out,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of course, they're playing, I believe, Ball State this weekend.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: So he picked the wrong weekend. He planned a family
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: weekend for Ohio State and Ball State, yes. That's perfect.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: That's a perfect, curvy story right there.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I'm sure they're going to have a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: great time hanging out and watching the Ball State Cardinals.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Instead of just watching on TV, Ohio State and Texas. Hey,
• 41:08
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• 41:11
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• 41:16
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• 41:18
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• 41:24
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• 43:02
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• 43:08
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• 43:12
  Speaker 4: with Dom, Clay's right-hand man, about story ideas and And
• 43:17
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• 43:22
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• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's also a very nice change to pitch ideas
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• 43:56
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• 43:58
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• 44:00
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• 44:04
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• 44:06
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• 44:09
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• 44:12
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  Speaker 1: When I saw that you were hired.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: One tiny Vermont town secret to happiness and excellence profiling
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the Olympic champions from this tiny town in Vermont. across
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the Connecticut River from Hanover, New Hampshire, where Dartmouth University is.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I am through the prologue and through the first chapter
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: of this book already, just picking it up yesterday after
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: buying on Amazon and getting it 24 hours later.
• 44:38
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• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's $ 13 in hardcover right now. I love it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I love it so far. What was the motivation behind
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: this book and embedding yourself there in the small Vermont town?
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: So before I did this book, I had never stepped
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: foot in Vermont. I was covering the 2014 Winter Olympics,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: which were a rather unpleasant affair. It felt like we
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: were all just there as part of Putin's stagecraft. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: it was just awful. And in the middle of it,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I got a reader email saying, you know, you should
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: really check out Hannah Carney's hometown. Hannah was a mogul
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: skier who ended up placing on the podium. at those Olympics,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: you know, they, they produce a lot of Olympians. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: when I find, I was covering golf full time for
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: the time. So when I got a break in golf,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I visited Norwich and I was sort of thinking, wow,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: this is probably going to be a place that has
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: these obnoxious stage parents and very regimented. So imagine my parents,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: pleasant surprise when I found out, no, these kids are
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: being organically developed. It's almost like they became accidental Olympians,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: but this tiny town with fewer than 3000 residents between
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: 1960 and 2014 produced 11 Olympians, including three in summer sports.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: So I just said about, I actually moved there for
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: six months and just reported out, like, what is it
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: about this town? And it is the antithesis of the
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: youth industrialized sports complex, as I call it, or the
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: pay-to-play model. They had a robust recreational league, and if
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: people couldn't afford it, there were people who would step
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: up and pay the fees. And They had kids, the parents,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: they talked about like, oh yeah, we had this kind
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: of benign neglect and you're praising us for it. But
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: it wasn't that they neglected their children, but they would
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: give them agency. They would say, well, if you want
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: to do that, fine, but I'm not going to, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be packing your bag for you
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: and I'm not going to be forcing you to get
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: up in the morning and work out. The two greatest
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: ski jumpers that America has produced to this day, both
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: grew up in Norwich. And the older one, Jeff Hastings,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: he got the younger one, Mike, into it by just
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: knocking on his door one day and saying, hey, I've
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: outgrown these skis. Why don't you try them? And Mike,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: he idolized Jeff and was like, well, I'm kind of petrified,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: but I'll give it a try. And that's how he
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: got into it. And this is how the what really
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: was so lovely about the town is that everybody in
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the town supported everyone's child. So it wasn't like my
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: child needs to be elevated over everybody else for me
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: to feel good about myself. It was like everybody in
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: the town rooted for the athletes as if they were
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: their own. So it was super healthy. Um, I'm not
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: sure even Norwich is Norwich anymore. I mean, it's so
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: hard to, um, stiff arm the you know progress as
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: it's known but um and the one thing like people
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: said oh well it's so easy for a town like
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Norwich they're so affluent and there is an affluent aspect
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: to it but I argued that in some respects that
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: makes it harder because I grew up in northern California
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: and since I've left um it was very much an
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: agrarian community if you can believe that It's so crazy
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: to look back in the pre-Silicon days, Valley days, and
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: remember how there were orchards across the street from your house.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: But when you have extreme wealth or even wealth, what
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: happens invariably is then parents start hiring private coaches or
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: they move the kid out of that community to a
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: different team or a different club. And it's actually very isolating.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: So that's why the recreational leads matter. The community getting
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: behind the athletes matters because then it's just very much
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: one for all, all for one and not this like
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: isolation exercise that just creates a lot of loneliness and pride.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: and expectations on the children.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So I love the book so far.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And first off, it makes me want to move to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Norwich when you hear about how great the people are
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: there and how they support everybody else's kid. And, you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you had the one story about the parents of the
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: star soccer player who scored two goals. Then he checked
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: out of the game. And the parents just kept talking
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to the other parents like, oh, it's fine.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I see that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, parents have been going nuts here in Middle
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Tennessee over a decision like that after a player was
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: playing so well. So it's really refreshing to see all that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: When you see this youth sports industrial complex, though, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: now you pair that with, and I'm sure you're going
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to be writing about it at Sport and State, but
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you pair that with the carrot of, oh, now my
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: kid can make a lot of money to play college sports. Right.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: If they're exceptional at something. That drives the parent ego
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: even more to spend more, to do more, to run
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: that kid into the ground because they're thinking not only
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: can you get a scholarship, which was the motivation for
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: years and years, now it is you could also get
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: rich in college, right? How much do you think that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: corrupts the whole process of kids in sports and their parents?
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Well, it's definitely becomes a situation where I don't, let
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: me just preface what I'm going to say by saying this.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I think no parent sets out to make their child's
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: sports experience miserable, but you know what they say, the
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: road to hell is paved with the best intentions. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I have seen in my decades of being a journalist
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and as a competitor myself as a child, the parent
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: who starts living vicariously through their child's successes. And there's
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: also like in our culture, because we value sports so
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: much and sports excellence so much, there's a status conferred
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: upon parents whose children excel. So there's that, they get
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: social currency as well through their child's success, which adds
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: to it. But let's be completely realistic about this. Less
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: than 2% of kids who start sports will compete in
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: sports in college. And I would submit that number is going,
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: that percentage is going to grow even smaller as the NIL,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: what you guys were talking about, it's going to really
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: be the ruination, I believe, of Olympic sports on college campuses,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: because they are having to pay out so much money
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: to these big name athletes on the teams that make money,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: that it's the money that would normally have been used
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: to fund the Olympic sports is going to go away,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: which then of course will have a ripple effect on
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: our success in the Olympic realm, because let's face it,
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: colleges are the de facto developing ground for our Olympic movement.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: We are not a state sponsored country in terms of
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: the Olympics. And so, kids go to college and get
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: the best coaching and support staff that they can, that
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: money can buy, that will go away. I just really
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: think chasing the carrot is so short-sighted on all and
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: from however you look at it. And, you know, I'm
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: working on a book with a friend of mine who
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I swam with at USC who got fired from her
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: job at Cal. She had spent 30 years there, coached
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: four NCAA championship teams, just was a remarkable coach, and
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: then got fired because some athletes alleged these awful, terrible things.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Of course, the truth is far more nuanced, but who
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: cares about the truth when you can tell the sensational
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: story and get clicks and acclaim if you're a reporter.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: But I digress. She told me that parents would say
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: to her, well, I need you to give my child
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: some money because I need a payoff for this investment
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I've been. And, you know, like, what are we talking
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: about here? You could have all that money spent paying
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: for traveling clubs and trips all over the country and
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: world in some respect. In some cases, you could have
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: put it into some kind of money market and more
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: than paid off your child's college education. But would that
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: really give you the ego gratification? And would all your
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: friends know how awesome you are as a parent because
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: you've raced this champion? I mean, it's very complicated, right?
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: You guys are probably already seen it with your children.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Karen, you mentioned covering golf full time for the times.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Which of the sports that you've covered is the most rewarding?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Um, it's funny because every sport I covered, I really
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: liked it. Like I covered, um, as a columnist, the
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Lakers in the early, um, the last Dell Harris years
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: and the early Bill Jackson years, that was so great.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: It was like covering a soap opera, you know, it
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: was wonderful. I loved it. So I would have told
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: you the NBA is my favorite then. Um, I would
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: say overall the Olympic sports, I love the Olympics. It's
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: my origin story. Um, I'm going to show my age here,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: but I don't care. I started swimming after watching Mark
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Spitz win seven gold medals in 1972. I turned to
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: my dad and said, that looks really fun. And literally
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: the next week, I was swimming at the club that
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Spitz had swum with for part of his career. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: so that's what made it so amazing or remarkable when
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I then covered Phelps winning his eight gold medal run
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: for the New York Times in 2008 because it felt
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: like a full circle moment where I got into the
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: sport because of one man and then got to chronicle
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: this other man supplanting Spitz as the all-time best.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, I know you also cover the New York Jets.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: at one point in your career. I got to ask
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: you about this because later on our show, we're actually
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: going to have on a local YouTube host who had
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: his media credential revoked from the team here in Nashville
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: with the Tennessee Titans. And I can't think of a
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: single time that a media credential was revoked for behavior
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: with the Titans in all of our years of covering
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the team and being around the team. Do you recall
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: many instances of this? And if so, what was the
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: reasoning behind it? With this situation, it's simply... he's too
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: quote unquote negative for the team to handle. So they
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: revoked his, his credential.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Well, if that had been the case, I would have
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: been the only beat writer covering the jazz because I
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: was the only one who didn't go into the locker
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: room during the access period every day thinking like, what
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: shit can I stir up?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: So, um, yeah, it's just a whole different world. That
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: sounds so crazy to me. I can't even wrap my
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: head around it. Um, I will tell you a very
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: funny story. So, um, I was the most junior beat
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: writer at the Jets easily by seven, eight, maybe 10 years.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, these people were jet lifers. And the players
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: did not really like the media at all. It was
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: so obvious from the start. And I was thrown into this.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: I couldn't understand the culture at all. So Chad Pennington
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: was the starting quarterback. my first year was when the
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Jets had so many injuries that they ended up signing
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Vinny Testaverde. You can't make any of this up. So anyway,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I ended up doing some really, I, my, let's see,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: maybe my third month there, I did a profile on
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Lavernius Coles, the receiver who, this is a very long
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: story and I don't want to, you know, make it
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: even longer, but long story short, when I, I was
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: trying to introduce myself to Lavernius the first few days
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: and the other media members were saying like, ah, don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: even bother. He hates the media. And I thought, well,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: that's interesting. Like, why does he hate the media? And
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I noticed that he was really beloved in the locker room.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: He would come out every day with flanked by teammates,
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: both of whom would probably be laughing at something Lavernius said.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, this is not a bad guy. Like
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: what's going on here? So I made it my mission
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: to find out what makes Lavernius tick. And so I
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: told him I wanted to do a feature on him.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: And again, dating myself here, said, hey, I noticed that
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: you wear your headphones and are listening to music a lot.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Why don't we trade iPods? Because what better way to
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: get to know someone than to listen to the music
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: that they like? And I think he was so stunned
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: by the request that he handed over his iPod to me.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: And that was the start of this really amazing rapport
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: with this very complicated and lovely man that resulted in
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: him telling me, um, for the first time about his
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: childhood abuse, sexual abuse. And, um, a lot of the
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: pieces of Lavernius clicked into place when you understood his background. But, um,
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: A while later, I said to Lavernius and Chad, like,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: how come you guys were so fair to me? And like,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: it seemed like you didn't really like us, but you
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: always were super respectful and pleasant to me. And they said, Karen,
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: we could see how you were being frozen out by
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: the other reporters. So we thought there must be something
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: okay about you. It's a lesson to young journalists that
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: you think that you're observing the athletes like an anthropologist might.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: That is if you can get off your screen for
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: three seconds. But the reality is they are also watching
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: every move that you do and they're paying close attention
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: to how you carry yourself in, you know, the whole environment.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Karen, it was great to have you on the show today.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: We hope this isn't the last visit, but the first
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: of many. I hope so too. Yes, we would love that.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I learn a.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Lot listening to you guys, so I appreciate it greatly
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: being on.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I love
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: the story about the Jets locker room and the media
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: right there. Good lesson for all.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Karen, thanks so much. And I look forward to finishing
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: the book. All right. Tell me what you think.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: It's got me in. I'm going to visit Vermont at
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: some point now.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Man, I could not ask for a better publicist. Thank you.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. Thanks, Karen. Thank you. Thank you, Kara. There's Kara Krause.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: And you can check out her great work and the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: great work of the new writers currently at sportandstate.com. Continuing
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to grow, Chad. Loving it. Dom's doing a wonderful job there.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: A long friend of ours as well, dating back from OutKick.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So looking forward to what Sport and State's got coming
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: on the horizon. And getting different types of voices, I think,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: is always very important for any media company. And go
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: read her intro column.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: As to what drew her to Clay and to Clay's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: ideas and to Clay's intro column about sport and state
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and what it was going to be and why she
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to get back into the sports media world because
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Really compelling stuff. She's a really good writer.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And again, having the different styles, different viewpoints, not everything
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: always looking and sounding the same, I think is really important.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Clay knows that. And that's what you're going to get
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: with Karen at the site.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: So Check it out.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Her intro column's up at Sport and State, and thrilled
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: to have her on the show this morning.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I believe we have a three-leg parlay coming up from
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Chad Withrow. A little three-leg, a little tripod. Don't feel
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: good about it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I already don't feel good about it after last week's disaster.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I got one out of three right last week, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: I do better this week.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: We're about to find out. We'll tell you about Hard
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Rock Bet, the tripod that is what Chad's bringing to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the table today for Hard Rock Bet, and Crockett Coffee,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: plus Jared Stillman. It's right around the corner here on
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Hutton with Rowe.