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Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan Part 1 Review · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: All right, what's up everybody. This is Gil and today
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you part one of Meil Gibson
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Rogan. Mel Gibson is a phenomenal guest. This
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  Speaker 1: guy is a little off if you listen to what
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  Speaker 1: he says, if you ever watched the video, he's just
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  Speaker 1: a little off.
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  Speaker 2: There's something not quite right with this guy. But it's
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  Speaker 2: actually pretty cool. So this is Gil. This is part one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna break down his interview into three parts. This
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  Speaker 1: is the first part. I'll go for about thirty five
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  Speaker 1: minutes of that and then you guys can hear.
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  Speaker 2: It out.
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  Speaker 3: Roman Podcast check it out.
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  Speaker 4: But Joe Wigan Experience Train My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan Podcast by Night all day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not what's cracking?
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  Speaker 5: Oh man, my back just now, it's just fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on with your back?
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  Speaker 3: You you have like you've had issues in the past, right,
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  Speaker 3: We talked about that the last time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was born scoliotic, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like I bought just I just bought
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  Speaker 5: my own penelong so I could click the ship.
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  Speaker 2: All the devices away from it. You remember clicking on
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  Speaker 2: the pen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh yeah, I'm a fidget, you know, so I
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  Speaker 5: let me take everything off.
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  Speaker 2: It's not good.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, born born slightly scolliotic, and then of course
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  Speaker 5: I banged myself up over the years.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, what can you do when they do they
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  Speaker 3: do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis.
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  Speaker 2: They do because I don't want to do surgery.
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  Speaker 5: Once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it,
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  Speaker 5: there's no going.
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  Speaker 2: Back, especially the back. Yeah, backs are rough.
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  Speaker 3: I've never met anybody that had like fusions or anything
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  Speaker 3: where it turned out good.
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  Speaker 5: Now, And like Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine,
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  Speaker 5: he said in any ailment, look first to the spine,
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  Speaker 5: and it was like He's kind of right. It emanates
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  Speaker 5: from the from the core.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if your back is fucked up, everything's fucked up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, no matter how strong your arms and
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  Speaker 3: legs are, if your back is fucked up, you're you're
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  Speaker 3: in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Your brain, everything everything goes to hell. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you're in pain all the time.
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  Speaker 3: People with back problems like they can't think straight because
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  Speaker 3: you're always like you know, it's always.
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  Speaker 2: There's a gift in not thinking straight.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me, tell me, well it actually takes you down
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  Speaker 5: some pretty weird paths.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, if you're happy all the time, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: you don't have you don't have to strive to find
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  Speaker 5: thoughts to make yourself happy. Right, So it's like it's
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  Speaker 5: a good it's a good it's a good predisposition.
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  Speaker 2: I think I agree to that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think being happy all the time is it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of an unlikely scenario.
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  Speaker 5: No, nobody is. Yeah, no, but we all want it.
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  Speaker 5: You notice we all yearn for it. There's that's the
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  Speaker 5: only thing we all want, right right, just happiness, little piece.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's also we're showing it like in you know,
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  Speaker 3: television movies, we're shown happiness as this goal, like seek happiness. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: should be happy all the time, happy, should never be upset.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's not realistic, it's completely unrealistic. However, it's
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  Speaker 5: nice to have those little journeys through art where you
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  Speaker 5: can actually explore those things. You can explore your IDs,
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  Speaker 5: you can explore happiness, and so you experience the opposite.
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  Speaker 5: I look at situations around me, and I generally feel
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  Speaker 5: pretty grateful from what some people go through. Shrateful, and
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  Speaker 5: everybody's got their crap you know, but like this morning,
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  Speaker 5: for example, I would be surprised if my home is
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  Speaker 5: still there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just talking about that. The Palasades is
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  Speaker 3: on fire. Yeah, my friend Tom Tom Saga has his
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  Speaker 3: house is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where he used to live. He sold it luckily. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I have a son.
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  Speaker 5: He's in a sort of volunteer fireburg at Milo. I
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  Speaker 5: call him the mayor of Malibu and he's running around
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  Speaker 5: and I asked him, how's things looking there?
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  Speaker 2: Milo. He says, not good, Pops. He says, your neighborhood.
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  Speaker 5: And he sent me a video of my neighborhood and
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  Speaker 5: it's in flames. It looks like an inferno.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think this will get you out of California? Finally?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you know where are you gonna go?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I got a place in Costa Rica.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, Costa Rica's nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I bought there many years ago. And yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: it's in a real nice spot. It's not too touristy
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  Speaker 5: or you know, dirt roads, so it's.
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  Speaker 2: All nice off the beaten. Does it feel safe out there?
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  Speaker 5: Pretty safe? I think, look it, no place is safe.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you've got the Darryang down there. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of in the what's the next country down
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  Speaker 5: Panama and you and and there's this no man's land
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  Speaker 5: where the Colombians come through, and it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: all kinds of dirty dealings in the jungle with you know,
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  Speaker 5: who knows, you know, drugs and mules and you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 5: You know it can be dangerous, and I've heard of
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  Speaker 5: danger happening there, you know. You hear about somebody getting
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  Speaker 5: chopped up by a machete. And Costa Rica is actually
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  Speaker 5: it's actually a cool place because it never had a
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  Speaker 5: culture of death like a lot of the Central American
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  Speaker 5: countries did. They have a culture of death, you know,
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  Speaker 5: even Mexico. I mean they used to you know, tear
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  Speaker 5: people's hearts out and all that sort of stuff. Aztecs
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  Speaker 5: were like the Romans. The minds were like the Greeks,
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  Speaker 5: but they all sort of dabbled in some stuff. Costa
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  Speaker 5: Rica always had a policy where they it was like
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  Speaker 5: the Switzerland of Central America. They emphasized education and health
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  Speaker 5: and everybody's literate. And it's kind of interesting in that way,
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  Speaker 5: but it deals with its own little troubles.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah country, you know, but anywhere down in that part
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  Speaker 3: of the world. It's just like there's so much sketchy
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  Speaker 3: shit going on all around you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there can be. Yeah, yeah, one.
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  Speaker 5: Has to be forewarned, forearmed all that, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a nice place down there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have some friends that have a place in Mexico,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm always like, don't you ever worry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I work in Mexico.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of times I was down there and it
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  Speaker 5: was it was in Veracruz and apparently, you know, people
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  Speaker 5: were rolling heads into bars and stuff like that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: rival gangs and stuff. And they said, I go for
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  Speaker 5: a walk, you know, and they'd say, you're crazy going
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  Speaker 5: for a walk.
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  Speaker 2: You'll get kidnapped. I said, I'm not going to get kidnapped.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the guy that pays.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to get kidnapped, and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 5: pay your mansom.
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  Speaker 2: It's like.
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  Speaker 5: I never felt insecure in that way. And you know
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  Speaker 5: this something's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if your number's up.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I used to watch guys who do what I do
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  Speaker 5: for a living, and they have a phalanx of bodyguards
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  Speaker 5: around them, you know, and like for security and stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and I used to have that stuff for a little while.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, it doesn't make any difference. You're gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 3: Or not or not right until you're not till you're not.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody's gonna be okay until they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I got into dodgy situation one night and I act
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  Speaker 5: you crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, what happened? If you act crazy?
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  Speaker 5: Everybody leaves you alone, especially if you are a little crazy.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they know you're in a stress mode, so
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  Speaker 5: you actually get angry. If I feel like I'm threatened,
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  Speaker 5: I get angry, which is what happens, and then you
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  Speaker 5: get really in people's faces and they think.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: But all the old cultures thought that, like when there
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  Speaker 5: were people traveling across the Great Plains that go west,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you acted nuts, they'd leave you alone
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  Speaker 5: because they didn't want your evil spirits.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, So what happened with you? Nothing? They left me alone.
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  Speaker 2: But where was this? Oh man, I was in a
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  Speaker 2: bad neighborhood.
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  Speaker 5: I was. It was when I first got into La
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  Speaker 5: and I was to go to dinner with Costa Gobros.
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  Speaker 5: He was a Greek director. I went the wrong way
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  Speaker 5: and it was before they had you know, phones with
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  Speaker 5: like right, you know, all that stuff. So life in
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  Speaker 5: the car. I pulled into a side street. The sun
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  Speaker 5: was going down, and as I got out of the car,
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  Speaker 5: I thought, oh, I got to fix this muff I
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  Speaker 5: can't just drag it. People started coming from houses and
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  Speaker 5: they came up to me, and I saw them coming
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  Speaker 5: in the rear view mirror, and I jumped out of
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  Speaker 5: the car and got in their.
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  Speaker 2: Face, and I said, what the fuck do you want?
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  Speaker 5: Because I thought I felt threatened, right, And and then
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  Speaker 5: guy said, man, I'm just looking for some money.
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  Speaker 2: You got any money? So I was being mugged, and
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I thought, I'll think about it when i'm fucking finished.
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  Speaker 5: Like you know, I opened the trunk, and this is
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  Speaker 5: the weird part, Joe, I will never quite understand this.
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  Speaker 5: I opened the trunk to see what I could find
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  Speaker 5: to help me put the muffler back on, and sitting there,
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  Speaker 5: the only two things in the back of the trunk
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  Speaker 5: was a pair of wire cutters and a coat hanger.
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  Speaker 5: It's exactly what I needed. And I don't know why
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  Speaker 5: I was there. That's weird, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: That's very weird. So you use the coat hanger to
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  Speaker 2: wire up your muffler. YEP, I cut a piece of wire,
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  Speaker 2: wire the muffler up.
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  Speaker 5: The whole time, more guys are coming Jesus and they're
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  Speaker 5: standing behind me, and I'm feeling like oh and anyway,
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  Speaker 5: I get up. I finished, the muffler slammed, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: acting mad and crazy the whole time, and I think
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  Speaker 5: this guy's nuts. And I get back to the car
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  Speaker 5: and my wife gives me a handful of cash and
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  Speaker 5: I thought, what's this. She says, it's just wives the
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  Speaker 5: ones give it to him.
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  Speaker 2: So I threw it and drove off.
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  Speaker 2: So things are more dangerous now, I think they are? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think so for sure. Yep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We were just talking about the wildfire situation and how
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  Speaker 3: crazy it is that they spent twenty four billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Last year on the homeless.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what are they spent on preventing these wildfires?
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  Speaker 2: Zero? Zip zip.
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  Speaker 5: And in twenty nineteen, I think Newsom said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to take care of the forest and maintain
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  Speaker 5: the forest and do all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: Anything, didn't do anything. And then on top of that,
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  Speaker 3: they cut the water off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, it's all funny.
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  Speaker 5: And then I think all our tax dollars probably went
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  Speaker 5: for Gavin's hair jail. I don't know, but it's like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's sad. It's like the place is just
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  Speaker 5: on fire.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the whole state is just so poorly managed. It's
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  Speaker 3: so it's so frustrating and confusing. And then he gets
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  Speaker 3: on TV and pretends like everything is great and California
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  Speaker 3: is the best, we have the best date, we have
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  Speaker 3: the most amazing economy, and like, you're out of your
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  Speaker 3: fucking mind, dude, you've ruined this state, personally ruined it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's the same team that was up in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 5: and we came down to LA and they're doing what
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  Speaker 5: they did in San Francisco. And yeah, San Francisco is
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  Speaker 5: kind of like apocalyptic now, you know. Yeah I went
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  Speaker 5: there and this it's like people, you know, homeless, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's just it's a mess.
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  Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable that society can crumble that quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Really is unbelievable. It doesn't take long. No, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I read a book once by Jared Diamond called Collapse.
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  Speaker 2: You never read that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, crazy right. It says all the things you
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  Speaker 5: need for a civilization to cave in and collapse, and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the things are present. All those earmarks,
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  Speaker 5: the precursors of a collapse, they're present in our time.
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's an interesting observation. Yeah, and we're no
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  Speaker 5: smarter than our grandparents.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think. Well.
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  Speaker 3: That brings me to one of my favorite movies of
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  Speaker 3: yours is Apocalypto. You know, when the Mayans were running
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  Speaker 3: things like who could have ever thought when they had
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  Speaker 3: such an incredibly sophisticated society, unbelievable construction, like the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that they had built that one day you just walked
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  Speaker 3: through there and there's nothing, nothing, nothing, and nobody.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, there's something, because it's interesting. Somebody was flying
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  Speaker 5: by what they thought was a volcano in the thirties,
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  Speaker 5: some buzzboy, and he thought.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that's somebody built that.
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  Speaker 5: Wait a minute, there's four by eight foot bricks, that's
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  Speaker 5: not that's man made. And it is literally the biggest
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  Speaker 5: pyramid in the world. It's bigger than the ones in
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  Speaker 5: Egypt and it's in Guatemala.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that the other day. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: a recent discovery, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not that reason. I was maybe twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: I visited.
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  Speaker 5: I went down there with the with the archaeologist, the
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  Speaker 5: guy named Richard Hanson, who's from Idaho or someplace, and
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  Speaker 5: he's down there with his family's been working tirelessly for
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  Speaker 5: like thirty years trying to extract this pre Classic city
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  Speaker 5: from the jungle.
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  Speaker 2: And there's not a bunch of tourists.
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  Speaker 5: All the pyramids in Tikal would fit inside the one
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  Speaker 5: big pyramid in Elmirador.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a monster. And so that tells you that
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  Speaker 5: the pre Classic civilization was bigger and grander and more
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  Speaker 5: sophisticated than the civilizations that came after it. Yeah, pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is unbelievable. How like when you the accounts
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  Speaker 3: of like people that visited Mexico and visited the Aztecs,
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  Speaker 3: like what the markets looked like and how insane it
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  Speaker 3: was and how gorgeous it was, and then just yeah, disease, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: disease or I don't know if it was disease or what.
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  Speaker 2: I think the people were pretty dissatisfied.
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  Speaker 5: It would have been hard for Cortes with his limited numbers,
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  Speaker 5: to actually take over a civilization like that unless they
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  Speaker 5: kind of happened upon a civilization that was pretty dissatisfied
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  Speaker 5: with the way things were going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think they had people to help them
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  Speaker 2: sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Michelle, when when you're making a movie like Apocalypto, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's crazy undertaking. You're making an entire movie where there's
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  Speaker 3: no English in it at all, and it's a blockbuster. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's cool. It was fun. That's one of the best movies. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it's a fucking great movie.
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  Speaker 5: Well, because I think it's scary because nobody's speaking your
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  Speaker 5: language and you're looking at indigenous peoples who you and
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  Speaker 5: because they're not speaking the language, you totally kind of
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  Speaker 5: buy it, and you can buy the horror and the
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  Speaker 5: primal nature of the story you want to tell.
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  Speaker 2: And really it's just a.
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  Speaker 5: Series of fears one after the other, you know, being
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  Speaker 5: chased by you know, scary guys, or eaten by wild
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  Speaker 5: animals or you know, hit by blowgun, you know, blow gun.
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  Speaker 5: It's all like a series of these things. But I
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  Speaker 5: think basically what I was doing was trying to talk
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  Speaker 5: about our time now and the civilization that we live
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  Speaker 5: in and how close so we to collapse, and what
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  Speaker 5: are the things that lead to collapse. You know, it's
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  Speaker 5: environmental stuff, it's human sacrifice. Yeah, I mean we do
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  Speaker 5: that kind of we do. Yeah, yeah, we do.
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  Speaker 2: We just dress it up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When you find out medications are killing people and they
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: keep prescribing them and they do it for money, that's
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: kind of sacrifice. When you find out that wars are irresponsible,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: they're not just wars, not just they're there for money.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: We send our young people over there to die, sometimes
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: for good reasons, sometimes for not. I mean, I I
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: love this. I love the warrior, I do. I love
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: the warrior, but I hate the war.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we hate we hate an unjust war. Yes, absolutely, Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Anyway, it's a yeah, it's a myth, but the human
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: sacrifice aspect is alive and will in our society.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I think it really is, is just dressed up in
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: a different way. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, rhetoric around it, but they've always been able to
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: justify it, like an apocalypto, was like, yeah, so the
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: crops will be better.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, we'll just you know, yeah kill yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: And then I had all these people come out of
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: the woodwork, Hey we're we're archaeologists and scientists, and that
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: never happened. So there's this revisionism about it too, that
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: it didn't happen. But there are accounts from the time
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: where yes, people did witness these things. And and of
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: course I had a bunch of battery of archaeologists and
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: scientists and professors on my own that say, yeah, well,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: this stuff did happen, and here's the here's the you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: the depictions of it in paintings and images, and you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: so it's like.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It did happen.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: So when you when you set out to make a
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: movie like that, like what, first of all, what brings
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: you to that?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Did you get the script first? Like? What? It was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it an idea that you had in your head?
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: It was it just came from in here. And I
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: was working on something and a buddy of mine said, so.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: What do you want to do next?
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: I said, ah, man, I want to direct something, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: I always want to direct a Chase film.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: He said, what kind of Chase I said, a foot chase.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: He said what. I said, yeah, people chasing you. I
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: mean there's something kind of primal and scary about a
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: foot chase. And I think in order to have a
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: foot chase, he can't have a society where there's any
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: kind of cars or anything like that. Otherwise you have
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: a car chase. But I want to film a foot
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: chase like it's.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: A car chase. And he said, oh, he said, what
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: are you thinking.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I said, well, I'm thinking if you go back before
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Columbus discovered America, you know, and it's like people assumed
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: that Columbus discovered America and then life began.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I said, I want to.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Know what was happening right before he got there, before
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: he got there. And I said, so, I had this
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: idea that you see all this stuff going on and
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: there's no time period on it, and then all of
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a sudden.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You date it by the arrival of Europeans.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And I said, it's kind of like the rod Serling,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: you know, Planet of the Apes. It's like it's kind
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: of a cool, cool ending. And he said, oh wow,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: And he said, where do you think Columbus landed? I said,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: why do Let's look so I looked up in the
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: first peoples he encountered were Mayan trading canoes off the
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: coast of Hondurath, and I thought, cool, what was happening
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: in Honduras, you know, and you look at these towns
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: and pyramids and temples and stuff at that time, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: then the story was born from there. And of course
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: then we read the book by Jared Diamond Collapse. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: read the Mayan Bible, the Popo Vu, and you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: tried to delve into what they believed and.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: What their civilization was like.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: And they had concepts as we do, of heaven and hell,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: of punishment or reward. You know, it was a little different,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: quite a bit different.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Actually. In fact, when I went down to.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: The archaeological sites and Hill Mirrodor, they dug something up
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: and it was like, well, what is it?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And they said, we don't know.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: There was this carved image in the stone of this
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Mayan warrior drinking and an earspool, and it was like
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: so they dug further and further and it went like
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: twenty six meters down and it was the entire story
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: of the popol Vu, of the twins going into hell
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: and getting their father's head and swimming back and it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: this crazy story.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Kind of dated that book because I think it was
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: almost three thousand years old. This this mural, this carving, so
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: it tells you that the story is pretty old. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: they thought initially it was probably back in the thirteen hundreds,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: but this confirmed that it was at least two thousand,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: six hundred years old something.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's pretty cool to be there when they're
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: digging that stuff up.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Is mind blowing. Well, they're missing so much of the
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Mayne history. It's a very interest on some coffee.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I want the water. That's water in the water.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: They're missing so much of the Mayan history, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: because everybody's gone. But one of the you ever see
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the very bizarre carving where it looks like there's a
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: guy who's sitting in a cockpit of a spaceship. Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: looking through some sort of an eye thing. Yeah, they
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: got some weird stuff. It's like weird where there's fire
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: underneath the chair, Like what is that?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: They got dudes that look like Europeans. They have these
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: guys with red beards and helmets and stuff. Yeah, it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: like these Phoenician guys who probably traveled over there early on. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: probably maybe in the sixth century or something like that,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: so they it wasn't that long a boat ride, so
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: they probably went over there and made contact and they
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: thought they were gods or something, and then they went
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: away again and they said, well, wait for them to
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: come back, and of course they did come back, but.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It didn't work out the same.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, Well, there's so many accounts of you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: people visiting the especially when you get into the Amazon.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Sure, oh, I don't know about the Amazon. Oh my god,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: let's tell me about that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the Amazon you used to be
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: filled with people, and most of the Amazon is man made.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: The jungle in the Amazon.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: In agriculture, yeah wow, yeah, okay.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: The jungle in the Amazon. They didn't even know this
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: until fairly recently, and they now know from flying over.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: They use light light ar, which is this light in
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: any radar.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: So when they use this laser radar shit, when they
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: fly over it, they're finding all these grids and pathways
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and cities in the jungle. So the jungle had consumed
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: all these cities. I think there was millions and millions
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: of people living in the Amazon, and that Europeans came
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: over diseases. Everybody dies, jungle consumes the city. People come
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: back two hundred years later looking for it, like the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Lost City of z like that that story, right, they
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: go back to look and there's.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: There's nothing left. Yeah. Guns, germs and steel.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, great, yeah, Wow, that's fascinating.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have to look into that thing. And we're
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: going through all those things right now. Guns, germs and steel.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah like that. Germs, Yeah, germs I had. I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: just just on the tail end of some hideous flu
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: that was gone.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you got the H five in
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: one or whatever the flat is, I don't know what
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the hell. Yeah, I've had that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: That was the swine thing. I had swine flu one time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I had that two thousand and nine. Yes, yeah, it
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: was around in Yeah, yeah it was.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It was an epidemic, a pandemic, whatever you want to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: call it. But it didn't have the same sort of
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: press releases that COVID did.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Sure I got the swine I acted more like a pig.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: That's terrible, terrible, wallowing in my own mud. So I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: like Flight Risk. It's fun movie.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Oh it's a whole you know, it's a it's a hoot.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think the first thing you got to
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: do with any film, and I think it's incumbent upon
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: all directors artists to entertain first in some fashion. Even
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: if it's a heavy story, you have to find some
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: some aspect of it that entertains. And I think this
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: for entertainment's sake is just fun. And it's quick. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I'm not sitting objecting you to four hours of like
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: watching Autism dry. Right, It's like it's like, you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: it's eighty five ninety minutes.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a good time. Yeah. And Mark is insane. Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: he's great in it. He plays a good psycho. Oh,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: he's a psychopath. Mark's got a good dark side.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: There's some there's some dark stuff there that he was
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: able to draw from. And every now and then he'd
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: let it out. I can't even repeat some of this stuff,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: he'd say. In fact, we had to cut most of
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: it out. It was like really sick, but we hint
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: at it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Anyway, when you make a movie now, I mean, you've
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: had such a career. When you make a movie now,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: like what motivates you at this point in your life,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Like how do you how do you decide let's hit
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the green light on this one.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are things that speak to me, and and
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: they speak for a for a long time.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It's a I remember when I was a kid.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: In high school, I was studying English and well where
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the English English come from? And they talked about Wow,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: it came from this old guttural German, old nourse that
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: the Vikings brought across.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And I was thinking, well, that's cool.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: The Vikings, you know, And then immediately I start thinking, man,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: somebody should make I want to make a film about Vikings.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: And they only speak in old Norse. Because if they say,
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: if they say, you know, if they speak English, all
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, right you're not buying it. They're speaking
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: some guttural language, you're sort of scared by them. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: it's like, that's scary to me. And then I said
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: to myself, I'm seventeen years old. Why am I thinking
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: about making films about Vikings. I don't know anything about
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: making films and not much about Vikings, So why the
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: hell am I even thinking about that? But that was
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: something that was early on, was like a drive, I
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: guess to sort of depict things like that. So I
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: did films in other languages, in Mayan and in Aramaic,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: in Latin, you know, And there's the power to that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I noticed when I was young. I used to go
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: and watch a lot of foreign films, and I watch
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: French movies, right, or German or whatever they were, Spanish.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I'd watch them and I think, Wow, the acting is
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: great in those and it seemed better because of the subtitles,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: because yeah, we're believable somehow, I don't know.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Right, because you're not you're not hearing insincerity in their
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: voice because you don't even understand what they're saying.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just feel the emotions and the words.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: And it also it has to take your attention because
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: you have to do another function. You have to read, Yeah,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: which is another thing that sort of maybe blinds you
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: to the flaws in the filmmaking perhaps, so you know, hey.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It's a great trick. Yeah, it's obfuscation.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: There's a thing about reading it while you're watching, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: it's like an added element of concentration, you know, like
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: subtitled movies. You feel like you're a smarter person watching
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: a movie where you're reading it as well.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's yeah, there's something about the written word
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: that's like, it's a pretty interesting thing to throw into
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: the mix. I know when I first started it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: kind of confusing, but then I got really good at it,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: and I think especially with something like what the passion
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: that I did, the written word was very important because
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: it was, you know, you got all those books the Bible.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: You know, you've got the different Gospels and stuff that
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: people are quite familiar with. Half the time, they didn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: even need to read the subtitles. They could look at
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: it and know what was going on.
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• 28:35
  Speaker 3: That was a crazy movie because it was a great movie,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: but it seemed like there was resistance to that movie.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, there was that, which I've thought was
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: very strange. There was like Hollywood resistance to that movie,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: like people didn't like that you were making it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: It seemed like, yeah, there's a lot of there was
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of opposition to it, and I don't know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: It's I think if you ever hit on that subject matter,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get people going, because of course it's big
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: subject matter, and it's like, you know, and my contention is,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: you know, when I was making it, it was like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: you're making this film, and the idea was that we're
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: all responsible for this, that his sacrifice was for all mankind,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: and that for all all our ills and all all
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: the things in our fallen nature. It was a redemption. So,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: you know, and I believe that, you know, I actually am.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: You know, I was born into a Catholic family. I'm
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: very Christian in my beliefs, you know, so I do
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: actually believe this stuff to the full. So depicting that
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: was an honor, but it was also, yeah, you.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Got you got the daylights beat out of you for it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's there's resistance, first of all from secular Hollywood, where,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, Christianity is the one religion that you're
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: allowed to disparage. Christianity is the one religion where people,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: all these progressive, open minded, leftist people, they'll embrace all
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: these different religions until it comes to Christianity, and for
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, that represents like white male. You know, whatever
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: it represents colonialism, you know whatever, you know, whatever it
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: represents its negative.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, it's gotten a bad rap, and they people
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: do feel free to beat up on it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Even I do when I see it's like, you know, when.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It's not fair, I think it's off right, Like.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: You know, when they appoint some cardinal and some diocese
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: and he's been covering up for like people who are
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: child molesters. Yes, you know, like Theodore McCarrick or Cardinal
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: World or those kind of guys.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, well the pope, yes, absolutely, Benedict not Benny.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Well, he was covering up. But like, yeah, so is
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the guy now is he really?
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, it's it's not great. I thought he
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: was like the more progressive Pope's very progressive.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, but he's covering up for stuff as well. Well,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: they all are.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a dark institution in a lot
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: of ways because it's history, you know.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Well you know the institution.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: It was instituted by Christ, you know, but that doesn't
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: mean that it can't be flawed. And there's a school
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: of thought that says it isn't what it purports to
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: be anymore. It's it's moved away from what it was
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: intended to be in what it is almost There's a
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: guy called Bishop Vigeno who says it's a counterfeit parallel church,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: and it's it's running an entirely different religion. I actually don't.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I don't adhere to a post Concilier church.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I adhere. Can you define what that means? Okay?
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: There was an event that happened in the in the sixties. First,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: there was an event in the Vatican where they elected
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: John the twenty third Pope, right in nineteen fifty eight.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: I was two years old, right, he was elected. And
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: out of the chimneys to tell you we.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Have a pope. You know, Habba must pop them, you know.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: And the white smoke came out and everybody cheered and
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: they went crazy, and then about a half an hour later,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: That the white smoke came out and then the black smoke.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: So white smoke means we found a new pope. Black
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: smoth means no.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Pope, that's right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: They'd have boats, or there'd be one reason or another
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: that have around in the conclave, and black smoke would
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: come out many times, many times, maybe maybe it would
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: take two weeks, but never was it known that white
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: smoke came out.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Then black smoke came out. So what was the scenario.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: That somebody was elected and that maybe something else happened
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: So it was power struggle, some kind of power struggle.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: And of course the man who came out was a
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: man called Angela ron Colly, and he was John the
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: twenty third. Now it's interesting to note that never had
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: a pope taken the name of another pope ever before
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: in history, but this man took the name of a
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: known anti pope from the fifteenth century that Cosmo de
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Medici put in there as his own man. I'll get
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: you in the chair and then everything will be rosy,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: you know, everything will go good for business, you know whatever.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: He was putting him in there for some corrupt reason,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: And there have been corrupt men in that place before.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I mean there's.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Alexander the sixth and Julius the second, the sixth's the fourth.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, some of these guys are you know, they're
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: not saints. So he took the name of a known
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: anti pope from the fifth century, who actually said, yes.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I'm an antipope.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm not the right guy, because there was more
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: than one, and he confessed to be and he wanted to,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: you know, square things with with the Almighty I guess,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: so he confessed to being an anti pope, and so
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: he took the same name as that guy, John the
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: twenty third. So it's interesting, don't you think, I mean,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: why would he do that?
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Well, whenever you have that kind of power, like I'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: sure you've been to the Vatican, right, Yeah, it's stunning.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's huge. It's so crazy.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: When you're walking around you see just the massive just
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: a dollar value in.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: The art that they possess. Yeah, it's fucking insane, it's crazy. Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: And you know it's a very small country. It's a country.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a country inside of a small city. Yeah,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: because Rome's not the biggest city. No, and then it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: got a country inside the city. Yeah, with walls around it. Sure,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: and you can't extradite people.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty weird. How convenient.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, even rat Singer. He didn't drive from the Vatican
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: to the other place. He flew ooh, and it was
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: only a little while because who knows why.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I well, he was wanted, yes, yeah, I mean he
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: had done. One of the things that he had done
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: was he had moved a priest that had molested a
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: hundred kids and he moved him to some new place
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: where he molested deaf kids.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, yeah, I know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: That's the dirtiest, most evil practice that the Catholic Church
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: has been accused of.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I think so in many institutions as well.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: But that is a very bad one, and I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: it's all part and partial of the same.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Corruption they crept in.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: And when you asked, what's the difference between pre Vatican too,
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: so Vatican Two happened, and of course they they took
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: the church and they reformed it and they changed things
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: in it, and it didn't necessarily agree with everything that
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: went before it to that point, yeah, you could find
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: it agreed with itself. But all of a sudden you
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: got something else, to the point where now I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, we got a pope that brought a South
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: American idol into the church.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: The worship.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Really he did the pacha mama. He bought the South
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: and he got it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what that is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: It's a it's kind of like a South American god,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: pacha mom.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: That's why would he do that? Good question? But he did.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Did he have an explanation for why he did it?
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of a weasel worded thing of like, oh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: all religions are just as good as one another.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: But you know, if that's his contention, it shouldn't be
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the pope. No, I mean happed to be the pope.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: If say, all religions are just as.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Good, we all worshiped, you know. So, yeah, that is
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: a pacha mama.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: So he brought that in, yeah, into the Vatican. Then
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: the higher he, the hierarchy even worshiped that. They had
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: a ceremony round it outside.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: What well, that constitutes a possible to see.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an apostasy, all right, worshiping false gods.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's number one on the Mosaic hit list. Yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Moses goes up on the mountain, he comes back down.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: People are worshiping in a golden calf.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: It's it's that Yeah, so you can't do that. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: for me, that's a departure from Yeah, you know, that's
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: called apostasy. It's a falling away from it. And the
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: very nature of apostasy means that you have to be
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: part of it to fall away from it. So it's
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: an inside job. Ah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: So what do you think there's a motive behind these things?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think you know, probably what do you think
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: it is?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But it isn't good. I think.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Look, I think we're looking at a world where and
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: this is the in the next film I'm going to
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try and tackle this question that they
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: are a big realm, spiritual realms. There's good, there's evil,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: And my question is, why are we even important, little old,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: flawed humanity? Why are we important in that process where
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: the big realms are slugging it out over us? And
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I think there's bigger things that play here, and institutions
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: that purport to touch on the divine are necessarily going
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: to be affected by that slugfest that's.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Going on between good and evil, right, and and sometimes
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: good gives up ground.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and maybe not on purpose. You know, maybe there's
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: some deception involved, or self deception. Collect every morning when
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I wake up, I actually pray that I don't deceive
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: myself because it's like, you know, your mind is a
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: very funny place. I mean, there's I've always said, you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: it's your second thought and your first action, that that
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: you're responsible for your first thought, throw it away, you know, right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: But upon consideration, the second thought is what you're responsible for. Yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that's the difference between first degree and second degree murder.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: There, you go, right, right, there's the first degree.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Like I'm plotting this out, and we we take that
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: into consideration when we sentence people. Sure, like if you're
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: a person who just you're all of a sudden, you're
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: in a fight with a guy you didn't expect it,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: and you stab him and kill him, second degree murder. Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: But if you're like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna find out where he is, I'm gonna go
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: get him first degree.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: I planned a lot of murders in my life, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: and you will have, Yeah, in your head, you plan
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: the murder and you think, well, that's not a very
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: good idea.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But I think I could get away with it, right,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: there's the second thought.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting that we take that into consideration
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: that we do. Like, if you've had time to think
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: about it, you're a different kind of person than person acts.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: In the act. Sure, you're in your act of passion.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I found this out. I actually spent a
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: long time in my animal brain, which is a very
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: horrible place to be.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And when you say that, what do you mean by
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you spent a long time in your animal brain?
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: You're in flight or fight right all the time. You
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: don't even sleep. It's like really not a good place
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: to be. And if anybody looks at you the wrong way,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: you want to bite him. Yeah, and sometimes you say
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: and do things that are socially unacceptable. And you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I went and got a brain scan by this guy
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: called Daniel Ahman, who's this brain guy. He's against all
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: psych meds and stuff, but he thinks like, let me
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: have a look at your brain, and you put a
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: radioactive tracer in me.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And to photograph my brain. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: He works a lot of football players and guys have
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: got brain injury.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Man, it's thirsty in here.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: But so he looked at my brain and he was like,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: and he opens the file and I'm in there with
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: the guy and he looks up and he goes, are
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: you okay? And he go first, now, first, he went
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: like this, huh. And I said what anyway? Are you
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: okay like that? And I said, yeah, I think so.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: And he came over and he sat next to me,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: but very slowly and cautiously, and he says, no, you're not.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: And I said, what do you mean. He says, you
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: got the worst case of PTSD I've ever seen. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I said, you mean, like even worse than guys in
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: war and shit like that. And he goes, yeah, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: he says, you're not okay.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: And I was like, and I started, I started a
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: well up, you know, like.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not. That's oh boy. And it was.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: He had a very miraculous and great remedy for it,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: which was to eat a bunch of fish oil, vitamin
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: B complex and get into a hyperbaric chamber for forty sessions,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: but make sure you do at least two or three
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: a week. It fixed my head, really, yeah, it got
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: me out of that wacky place, you know.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: So it was something to do with nutrition and oxygen.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: And and your brain is neuroplastics. You explain neuroplasticity to me,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: and how okay you could get brain damage and like
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: holes in your head and you know, cancushon. I used
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: to play rugby. I've been knocked out on the field
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: a couple of times.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: That explains a lot, you know, yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: It actually you can actually heal the holes in your head.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: It look like Swiss cheese. It's like horrible.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: There's a lot a lot of these football players get
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: like that too, the poor guys. I mean they get
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: depressed and they yeah you know, oh.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hormonal imbalance, pituitary glens fucked up.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Not producing testosterone or human growth hormone correctly, that's correct. Yeah, depression,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: low energy.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Yep, irrit ability, irritability when to kill somebody, and it's
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: like terrible.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and uh and it's just not so
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: really acceptable. Plus I don't want to go to prison. Yeah. Well,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the rugby I bet that's a giant factor. Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: I played from like thirteen to probably in my late teens.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: And you get knocked around.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: At Yeah, there's no evans or bots about that, no helmet,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: no you know, well, people don't realize, like even shots
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to the chest caused brain damage. Yeah, yeah, that's what
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: people are realizing now.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah sure, I mean, you know, and like I'm addicted
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: to the UFC, right, I love it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But I know that these guys are I feel kind
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of sorry for him. I do as well.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: And one of the guys I knew one of the
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: guys fairly well, and usually I'm pretty immune to like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: but like he was in there and he was fighting
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: against Volanovskid was Brian Ortega, and he was getting his
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: ass handed to him. In one fight, he almost got
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: him a couple of times, but.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I almost submitted him twice.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, But because I knew Brian, it was
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: like my child. It was like my son was in there,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: started crying and it got to me. I was like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I should probably feel like this about all these guys,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: but I don't know them as well.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: It becomes a problem for me when I'm friends with
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the guy. And then also I see when they're on
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the tail end of their career and they can't take
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: shots anymore, and then when you talk to them, you
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: recognize the speech patterns are slurring.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I met Muhammad Ali when he was in
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: the chair, you know, and man, I don't know if
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: I could even tell the story. What he said was
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: so funny, but he was still in there and he
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: was still a little devil, and he was like and
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: he was still he was still fucking with people, of course,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: but it was like, I can't tell this.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: He can't know, man, okay, footnote it tell me later.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you later.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: It is funny. But it was my assistant, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: it is. What he said to my assistant was like
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: so funny and and then he said it and we
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: all were like whoa.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And then I looked at him and he was just laughing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: He was laughing his ass off.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: So he was still all in there, but it was hard.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: I guess he had the damage of being punched.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Trauma related Parkinson's disease.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, very common for fighters.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah it's not.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Gil. Thanks for listening. Please like, subscribe, share,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and comment. Like I told you, he was a weird dude,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: but he's very interesting. So stay tuned for part two.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It'll be coming up soon later.