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Jennifer Welch · It's Open with Ilana Glazer

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SPEAKER_00: Woo! I just came off such a hot, incisive conversation with someone I am so such a big fan of and turned to truly every day to feel grounded in the insanity of the world, Jennifer Welch of the I've Had It podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: So Jen Welch is an author, a podcaster, and political commentator with her finger on the pulse of American politics.
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SPEAKER_00: Jen was born in Texas, raised in Oklahoma, and worked as an interior designer.
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SPEAKER_00: And then as an interior designer, she was the star of Bravo's Sweet Home.
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SPEAKER_00: And now she co-hosts the podcast I've Had It with Angie Pumps Sullivan, her best friend.
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SPEAKER_00: And she has a new book called Not Today Fascists that is coming out on October 6th.
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SPEAKER_00: She's so brilliant, and I had so much fun talking to her.
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SPEAKER_00: So come on in, y'all.
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SPEAKER_00: It's open.
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SPEAKER_00: What's funny to me about the right hating Hassan Piker is that part of it is that he's hot.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: Their hatred messaging is connected to their horniness.
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SPEAKER_02: Completely.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're so horny.
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SPEAKER_02: Have you on Fox News lately, lately, uh Laura Ingram she keeps talking about how hot Hassan is, how hot AOC is, how hot.
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SPEAKER_02: Why does Abdul wear in these tight t-shirts to the gym workout?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, they are so horny.
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SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, you know, Jesse Waters constantly talking about men and how they, you know, eat ice cream or drink soup.
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SPEAKER_02: He's always talking about masculinity.
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SPEAKER_02: I think they're just so, I think the entire Republican Christian movement, there's just so much uh repressed sexuality.
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SPEAKER_02: I can speak to this because I grew up in Oklahoma City and I was raised by two progressive atheists in the middle of the Bible belt.
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SPEAKER_02: And purity culture and uh being modest is still so uh ubiquitous in these places.
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SPEAKER_02: And all of my friends were uber uber Christian, like megachurchers wanted to get me saved.
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SPEAKER_02: And the biggest thing that their parents put upon them when they were young wasn't to be a good person, it wasn't um to be a curious learner, it was to be a virgin.
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SPEAKER_02: And the pressure that is put on very young kids before they even have hormones, the parents are already engaging with them about sex in a very young age.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think it's abuse.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's very abusive.
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SPEAKER_02: And so, of course, all of these kids, the most religious kids I know, are first cherries to pop, and then they have no education whatsoever about what does consent mean?
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SPEAKER_02: What are STDs?
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SPEAKER_02: What are condoms?
2:41
SPEAKER_02: How do you prevent a pregnancy?
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SPEAKER_02: And so there is in the evangelical movement, which I attribute so much to what MAGA is.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: It is a movement that is about forgiveness without accountability.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's not how the world works.
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SPEAKER_02: If you want to be forgiven for something, you have to go through a series of accountability, atonement, and show the person for whom you're seeking forgiveness, I have changed, I have evolved, I have learned this, I was wrong here, and you know, I've been in the fetal position and I've talked to my therapist, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, look at Trump, forgiveness without accountability.
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SPEAKER_02: And so he is really familiar to these people because he does all of the bad things that they know their dads do, their pastor does, their mom does, their uncle does.
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SPEAKER_02: But he does it out in the open.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's familiar.
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SPEAKER_02: It's very familiar to them, this type of abuse from a government, because this is the way their mothers and fathers are in authoritarian homes and from an authoritarian religion sets the psychological soil for you to fall prey to an authoritarian government.
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SPEAKER_02: This is comfortable for them.
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SPEAKER_02: This type of immorality, this type of hypocrisy, they've known it their whole lives.
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SPEAKER_00: And and the idea of like not sharing a not having a public space or how we've been systematically isolated through big tech.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, there used to be this uh, you know, the a common space for shame, a common space also to have to earn trust, you know, this like sort of having to climb the um ladder of earning someone's trust back or falling backwards in the shame that you're supposed to feel when you do something shitty.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh it's so crazy that it's all out in the open with him, and yet there's really no, there's no shame, there's no like common space for shame among us or uh the people to shame them, however we've been siloed in an echo chamber to have to share that shame.
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SPEAKER_00: And it it's it's tough to cross over.
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SPEAKER_02: But you cannot shame the shameless, they don't feel it.
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SPEAKER_02: They don't feel the shame.
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SPEAKER_02: I think the biggest problem the left makes, or maybe a moderate that is somewhat apolitical but wants the world to be better and kind of uh pissed off about Trump in general, is that we project the way we would perceive things onto them.
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SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: And these are really broken people.
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SPEAKER_02: These are emotionally stunted people who have been abused their whole lives.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: From the moment they're born, they're told in these churches, all of my friends were told, Well, you're born bad.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to get saved.
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SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so crazy.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just really, really spiritual abuse on top of other forms of abuse.
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SPEAKER_02: And now we are governed by all of these broken people.
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SPEAKER_02: And what do broken people do?
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SPEAKER_02: They hurt.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: They broken people want to break other people.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that's what we're seeing.
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SPEAKER_02: And um also on top of that, they're just also painfully unoriginal.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that's like that's the thing I'm like really seeing so plain as day is that destructive people, they're real losers.
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SPEAKER_00: And I don't just mean that as a name-calling thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean they are they start their day at a loss.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a trillionaire on this planet, made up number.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not even real.
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SPEAKER_00: A trillionaire who can't get enough because he's always losing, always deprived.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, that kind of fullness doesn't come from the outside.
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SPEAKER_00: Clearly, we're seeing with the billionaires.
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SPEAKER_00: These people cannot be filled, they're not full.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, there's plenty of sex jokes to make there that they wish they could be, and no matter how hard they try, it just doesn't seem to stick.
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SPEAKER_00: But um, they're so deprived, you know, and I know that feeling.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that I I have I come in with spiritual um bounty.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's something I practice to be at peace with who I am.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I try, I really try to have compassion.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you think that's that makes me weak, but it's not even trying to have compassion.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I want to see these people as human beings rather than demons because I need to feel that it I need that in order to feel that change is possible.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: Not that we're gonna change um little Mike Johnson as you call him.
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SPEAKER_02: Little little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson is his official name.
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SPEAKER_02: Little little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson.
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SPEAKER_02: Imagine you are the speaker of the house.
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SPEAKER_02: And just think back to Nancy Pelosi.
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SPEAKER_02: Whether you like her or didn't like her, she's corporate Democrat, whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: She had power and we felt it.
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SPEAKER_02: She was in charge.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: She when when little Moses Mike Grinder gets to the microphone, all I can think of is go to Trump's desk and get your balls back because you have all of this power, yet he acts like a submissive trad wife with a TikTok account.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what he acts like every single day in Congress.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And and to ascend to that much power and to debase yourself, all the while he's all about, oh, I'm a big Christian, such a big Christian that he says, God woke him up in the middle of the night.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why I get Moses Mike.
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SPEAKER_02: This is on tape.
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SPEAKER_02: He said this while the cameras were running.
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SPEAKER_02: So God wakes me up one night and he's like, Hey, wake up.
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SPEAKER_02: You're Moses.
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SPEAKER_02: And little Moses goes, Me?
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SPEAKER_02: This is the speaker of the house.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is something that people don't talk about enough, and mainstream media doesn't talk about it enough.
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SPEAKER_02: The sitting speaker of the house of the United States of America claims God woke him up and told him he was Moses.
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SPEAKER_02: He said, Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And now he is, you know, right in line after J.D.
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SPEAKER_02: Vance to be the president of the United States.
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SPEAKER_00: Speaking of J.D.
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SPEAKER_00: Vance and little, that is so funny.
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SPEAKER_00: Little Moses.
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SPEAKER_00: Little Moses might grinder Johnson.
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SPEAKER_02: Because there's all these grinder rumors about him.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I read about that on Elon Musk's free speech website.
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SPEAKER_02: So it must be true.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
8:31
SPEAKER_00: Copy that.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I want to believe this is like a generational war we're in, that these boomers who are the only generation in the United States who actually got democratic socialism, I have been paying Social Security for, you know, 27 years.
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SPEAKER_00: And now it's being gutted, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Or their plans to dissolve it, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: Boomers got this um net, this support net, and they've been able to um enjoy the fruits of that.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: And while, you know, every generation after them is sort of grasping for that kind of support.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to believe, I want to believe that, oh, Trump is so old, he he does not have much longer.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, there was this point in time, there was a period where it was like he's the, he's their messiah, he's their figure.
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SPEAKER_00: So when he's gone, you know, the energy may dissolve, which, which it it may to a degree.
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SPEAKER_00: But J.D.
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SPEAKER_00: Vance is like 40 years old or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: The guy looks six years old.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, Mike Johnson, I mean, he's these Ron DeSantis, they're 45 years old.
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SPEAKER_00: They are in their 40s.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, this is not a generational thing.
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SPEAKER_00: This is an indoctrination thing.
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SPEAKER_00: This is uh, and you know, you had Lee McGowan on your show, and you guys were talking about the system of plucking these guys, how JD Vance was plucked from above to fulfill, to be plugged into this system.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: What do you think about this?
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SPEAKER_02: So I think that a lot of the MAGA movement, the thing that we're gonna be dealing with for a long time is the cultural problem of it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
10:03
SPEAKER_02: So Republicans lie all the time, trickle down economics.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: That's just a complete lie.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: Republican, it's trickle-down lies, trickle-down stupidity, trickle-down propaganda.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: And in this instance, I think it is a cling on, like the last cling from the patriarchy to cling.
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SPEAKER_02: It's it's the death cough of the patriarchy, if you will.
10:23
SPEAKER_02: And so they use all different types of people to do to help implement this.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's why you see women that are carrying the water for the patriarchy, Scott Bessett, whom I refer to as a DL, no, he's not even DL, he's a demon queen.
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SPEAKER_02: You have all of the other people in this administration.
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SPEAKER_00: Even Caitlin Jenner, they're so anti-trans, but once they have their their dummy to put, they have their one trans person type of thing, or they have their one black person type of thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, and that's a fascinating thing, too, where these people think they're the magic one.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Scott Besson, he thinks he's the magic homo.
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SPEAKER_02: I I get that you hate all the rainbow flag and all those queens.
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SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't hang out with those queens.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Scott Besson.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a billionaire.
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SPEAKER_02: I fly private.
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SPEAKER_02: From growing up in a very white supremacist state, I can tell Scott Besson, they do not have good plans for you.
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SPEAKER_02: You are not going to be special, you are not going to be exempt.
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SPEAKER_02: And one of my favorite sayings that I like to project onto all of these women is the women who carry the water for the patriarchy are the first to drown.
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SPEAKER_02: And to Scott Besson, tokens get spent first.
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SPEAKER_02: But hell, the moral collapse, if you want to go back to JD Vance, whom I refer to as our smoky-eyed sociopath.
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SPEAKER_02: He's obsessed.
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SPEAKER_00: Smokes because of his eyeliner.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, smoky, he has a little smoky eye with varying degrees of smoke depending on who he's talking to.
11:43
SPEAKER_02: I did a whole episode on the degrees of daytime smoke to nighttime.
11:47
SPEAKER_02: You can see it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's unreal.
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SPEAKER_02: It's wild.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it's unreal.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: And here's a guy who's married to an Indian woman.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: This is what I'm talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Mixed-race, yep, mixed-race kids.
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SPEAKER_02: And he is actively a part of a regime that is making the world less safe for his own kids.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a mother.
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SPEAKER_02: You're a mother.
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SPEAKER_02: It's something that is so hard to understand.
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SPEAKER_02: It goes back to where I say our mistake is we project what we would do in their situation.
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SPEAKER_02: We would never, right.
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SPEAKER_02: If I had a kid that was mixed race, or if I had a kid that was trans, or I had a kid that was gay, and I love my kids with everything in me, I would look in the mirror and I'd go, sis, you got to buckle up and love that kid even more than you do because the world's gonna be mean to them.
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SPEAKER_02: You've got to lock in and love this kid so much more than you already do.
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SPEAKER_02: They don't feel that.
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SPEAKER_02: Elon Musk is the biggest deadbeat dad in the world, which he just tweeted me about a week ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Nice dad.
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SPEAKER_02: I called him a deadbeat dad, and he uh got mad about it.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh and said I was as ugly on the inside as I am on the outside, which I wear as a badge of honor.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and also what a that really must hurt you because he's so handsome.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm just here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, you have all of this wealth, you own all of these companies.
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody's attributed to all this genius level shit to you, which I don't I think is bullshit.
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SPEAKER_02: But nonetheless, people think, oh, he's rich, he must be so smart.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, please.
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SPEAKER_02: And you are tweeting about a podcaster, an Oklahoma podcaster that hurt your feelings.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: Are you serious right now?
13:21
SPEAKER_02: It's so pathetic.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: But if you look at his entire Twitter feed, you know, it's just grievance after grievance, white supremacy, all this crazy shit.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but what you're saying about JD Vance and having um mixed-race kids and making the world more unsafe for mixed-race kids, this goes back to the tokenism, the hope that if you um shelter yourself under the umbrella of the white supremacist, misogynist, capitalist patriarchy, you will be saved.
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SPEAKER_00: You're special.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is, I guess, the the um, you know, the abusive pull from authoritarianism is that it tells the people it's abusing, you're special.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, white supremacy relies on white people being indoctrinated, and we are indoctrinated in a particular way that takes a particular type of unlearning because it relies on our belief in the system to maintain it.
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SPEAKER_00: But cruelty being the point, I thought it was money for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: And now, seeing billionaires and trillionaire, this isn't even money to these people anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: This is about the cruelty.
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SPEAKER_02: I agree.
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SPEAKER_02: I I have a book coming out October 6th called Not Today Fascist.
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SPEAKER_02: And I I write about my experience growing up in the very, very religious space as a secular person.
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SPEAKER_02: And the through line in all of this is authoritarianism.
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SPEAKER_02: When you're talking about people thinking they're special, this is what evangelical Christians think once they get saved, that they're special, that they're the exception to everything.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: And so all of these forces have come together, which is really interesting.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: But if you mass down evangelical Christianity and say it's not really a religion, it's a cult.
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SPEAKER_02: But more than it being a cult, it's also a business.
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SPEAKER_02: These churches make hundreds of millions, if not billions, upon billions, of dollars.
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SPEAKER_02: So you have big church colluding with, you know, big tech, plus just some weird old angry white guys.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, did you know there's a guy named, I think his name is Harlan Crow, and he has completely funded uh Clarence Thomas.
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SPEAKER_02: And Harlan Crowe is this multi-billionaire from Dallas, Texas.
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SPEAKER_02: And as a side project, he collects Nazi China.
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SPEAKER_02: Yet he owns this Supreme Court justice.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I think about that a lot.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the Clarence Thomas, the Clarence Thomas of it all, how you get into these spaces and how special and unique you think you are.
15:51
SPEAKER_02: And I I can just tell you the the racism and the cruelty are definitely there, but there's also a big worship of money among white people.
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SPEAKER_02: This whole capitalistic dream that we would have been sold our whole lives, I think is is as powerful as the cruelty component.
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SPEAKER_02: I was definitely indoctrinated into capitalism in a way that when I would hear, even recently, as you know, five or six years ago, billionaires shouldn't exist.
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SPEAKER_02: I was like, that's crazy.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, people just need to pipe down.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: If they earned a billion dollars, why do you give a shit?
16:27
SPEAKER_02: Well, there has never been an easier way to convert somebody like me than the present class of billionaires.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: Because these people are horrible, objectively horrible human beings, with the exception of Mackenzie Scott Bezos.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: Who can't, I mean, who just spins it, spins it, spends it as much as she can all of the time to help marginalized groups.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: But I believe I was, do you know Emma Wigeland?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: The majority report.
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SPEAKER_02: I was talking to Emma Vigiland about it one time.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's like the there's a billionaire psychosis.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like the brain goes to where it's okay, I want it capitalism.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they get really weird about okay, I'm gonna have a rock it.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: And we could, you know, talk to Freud about what that means, and we'll just leave that there.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: And I almost think to an extent, this kind of lends it to I'm gonna loop Gwyneth Paltro into this.
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SPEAKER_02: We do.
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SPEAKER_02: I think some people that have been really successful at a lot of things, okay, like she was a good actress, she has a lot of money, goop was good, etc.
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SPEAKER_02: They get bored.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: And RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: gets gets bored, and these other billionaires are getting bored.
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SPEAKER_02: And then all of this stuff is attributed to them by virtue of their net worth and not by something they've actually earned, like intelligence and all of these things.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: So then they start dabbling their toes into things they have no business.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: Like I think Gwyneth had some sort of vaginal flusher or something.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, she has no business selling vaginal washers or whatever it was.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: I mean just some crazy shit that she was doing.
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SPEAKER_02: And then um, RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: gets into thinking he's an expert on vaccines, which he's not a medical doctor, he's an attorney.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: He's a lawyer.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: My husband's a lawyer, my co-host is a lawyer.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: They're both kind of hypochondriacs.
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SPEAKER_02: They absolutely should not be giving medical advice.
18:17
SPEAKER_02: And so I think there's a boredom that ensues when people reach this kind of success.
18:21
SPEAKER_02: And to your point, then it gets really diabolical and the exploitation they've had to exploit so much to even get there, that a part of them is broken.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think the thesis is money breaks us.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Because I think there's a fraudulence that they know, they know deep, deep, deep down in their lizard brain is fucking true.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: And they are spending all this time outwardly to disprove that fraudulence to others rather than taking whatever the time it takes to prove to themselves that they are enough and actually the money doesn't matter.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's like uh they just don't have enough of like a mother's love type of thing.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying the individuals, I'm just saying that type of like support and love from within, whether or not they did, it's just this constantly deprived state of not having enough foundational self-worth or self-knowledge.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: They're constantly filling that cup up.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: And it's as though the pail has holes at the bottom.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: No matter how much water you fill in, it's just empty.
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SPEAKER_02: So you're saying that like as a means to mask some severe inferiority that they feel, unworthiness of having uh accelerated that much financially.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: They just keep digging so that the mask won't be revealed.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: Because it is fraudulent.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: We had AOC on the podcast and she had such a great point.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: She's like, you can't earn a billion dollars.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: You can't earn it.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: You can manipulate the market, you can inside or trade, you can abuse your workers.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: You can't earn one billion dollars.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: And it's true, and they know that.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I completely come full 180-degree turn on this because it something to be an American is to be sold this idea of the bootstraps and having your own business.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: And I had a very successful interior design business.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: I still have a couple of projects.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: I was able to start the podcast, and it's been successful.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: And I love the entrepreneur entrepreneurial spirit.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: I like that we can do that here.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: I like when I'm in my neighborhood in Manhattan, I walk down, I see a local business, a little restaurant.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: And I think I always think they started that and what the first night before opening, and how exciting that was.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: It's really, I mean, it's like really special.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: It's good stuff.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: It's the good stuff.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, but the level where they are is created by a system that we have here.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Because in the United States, we've worshipped capitalism so much, we've made uh just a horrible, horrible sin of worshiping money more than people.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: And right now, Donald Trump is the manifestation of all of our worst impulses as a country, culturally and um uh policy-wise.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: He is an example of all of us that have uh in this culture worshiped money at the expense of human beings.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: This way that we've seen reality become so surreal that it kind of seems like a cartoon.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: And now we have AI subverting reality and fracturing our our reality.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: It's just so, it's just so like overwhelming.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: And I feel this like really, um, you know, one reason I love your work is that it really, you just sort of nail the sense of a shared reality.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: And the way that your voice specifically articulates it is like, no, no, no, no.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: That is what like most of us are feeling.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Like you're so, you're right on the fucking money, and it's such a relief because, you know, this um, as the billionaires uh have bought up the mainstream media, people are still finding each other to share reality.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: Like we're not going to not share reality.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: I think there's this um sense on the on the left, let's call it, which I almost hesitate to buy into the binary anyway, because it's Part of us like falling for their game, but anyway.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, the sense on the left that we lost the culture wars.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: And I understand that we can be humble about the way that we went about things on the left culturally.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: And people say, you know, people want to talk about why Kamala Harris wasn't the perfect candidate.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: But I argue with that.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't need a perfect candidate.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: I need someone who is good enough right now who can improve and who will be better to push up against over time.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: But anyway.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: But I'm also realizing lately we have this um sense of uh accountability on the left.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: We lost the culture wars, but they fucking bought the all the networks.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: We didn't necessarily lose the culture wars.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: We we literally lost our grasp of the news networks.
22:49
SPEAKER_02: See, I I push back.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't think we lost the culture wars.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: Give it to me.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: We lost the election.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we did.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: And that was devastating and horrible.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: And I think about it all the time.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: But I don't think we've lost the culture wars.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: I think that look at what happened when Jimmy Kimmel, yeah, when they put him in timeout.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: People started canceling their hulus left and right.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that you have a fever-pitched minority.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: They like to call themselves the silent majority.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: These people are fever pitched.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: They are so fucking loud.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: And they're uh the billionaires bought all the social media.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: So, Elon Musk, can you imagine how rigged up his Twitter feed is?
23:29
SPEAKER_02: I bet you if he if he were to strip it down and raw dog it on Twitter, if he just completely raw dogged it, he wouldn't get near the traction that he does.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: No, because he's chock full of bad ideas.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: And the same with TikTok and the same with Zuck on this.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: I think the majority of people in this country, and maybe it's 58, 60 percent, yeah.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: The majority of people are not wound up about drag queens, are not wound up about some trans bowler in Alabama.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: That I I just I just think the majority of people are not wound up about that.
24:05
SPEAKER_02: The conservatives, you know, conversely, these people get triggered by books, by drag queens, by trans people, by um, you just we can go down the list.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: What the white liberal woman, they're very upset about the white liberal woman.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, just part of my language, they're just pussies.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: And so they they they scream, they throw feces.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: But I don't think we lost the the culture war.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: I think the culture is continuing to evolve and be more encompassing of multiculturalism.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: And I think we lost the election.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: Was Kamala the best candidate?
24:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: But she was I voted for her, I was brat, I was all in on the whole thing.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, she would have been a million times better than Trump.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: I don't buy into this whole thing that you're getting the same thing.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't buy into that because for young people that are queer in Oklahoma and rural Oklahoma, it's a huge fucking difference between a corporate Democrat and a MAGA politician.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: There is.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: Now I've evolved personally off of that, off of wanting a really progressive candidate.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people are, but I don't, I don't think we lost the culture wars.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: I do wish that on the left we wouldn't micromanage and correct people all the time.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Like it's okay to call a man a pussy.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear in my comment section vaginas are beautiful, the pussy gives birth.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: All of that.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't have time for that.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: This guy's a pussy, and that hurts him more than any other word, and I want to use that word to fight fascism.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: So I kind of have a fuck you brand of wokeism.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think it's effective.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: And also, like, you know, I I guess I'm talking about in the um organizing space that people say we lost the culture wars.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: I agree with you.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: I really am um, I really think that most people are mostly good.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: And depending on their the culture that they're fed, you know, whatever what they what messages they'll align with.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: But I think that most people, like when it comes down to it, actually don't want their neighbors to suffer.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: Like that seems oh, I have one point about a please.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: It felt like we lost the culture war when the companies that we pay money to that's right, that's right, capitulated first.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: Because Trump 1.0, these companies held the line.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: They, you know, had flags, they had Pride Week, they did all the shit they were supposed to do.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly right.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: It was so demoralizing seeing industry titans that's right that are billionaires, that have fuck you many, that refuse to say fuck you, that said, I want to fuck with you.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then they made participation trophies and humiliated themselves in the oval.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: And that Marie Antoinette shit show going on.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Jesus Lord.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: And that was an extra dagger.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: Because it made it feel like that because the corporations kind of upheld cultural change.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly right.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: And they capitulated, but we didn't.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: As Americans, I do not believe that we lost that culture war.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I pulled out that the majority of us, the the the of America, that there is a larger percentage of people that are not wound up like cheap clocks about what other people do in their lives, are not hypocrites and enjoy diversity and want to champion for the little guy.
27:15
SPEAKER_02: Same.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: I I I just I I we just we didn't lose, I don't think.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is also like the indoctrination of capitalism that I thought the corporations putting the pride pride flag on their logo actually meant something type of thing.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: I did too.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: So I believed them.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: And and you know what?
27:30
SPEAKER_00: They did for a while, put their money where their mouth is.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: And it was important in a way, and it would be if they continued in a different way.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: But that's not the same as structurally paying their workers enough.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: That's not the same.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: They're putting like the uh three cherries on top of a cake instead of making that cake really sustainable from the bottom up.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think um while it sucks and is a hard hit, it has made it clearer to people what structural change actually will look like and will need to look like for us to be living in a place that is, you know, more centered around human rights.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: But can we just talk for a second?
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Because you have such uh razor-sharp incisiveness about the landscape of the corporate Democrats and what's happening right now with the true progressive fighters within the party.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: So I think that you have, well, before I get into that, I just want to say something about Kamala that I think it's important for us to all pause a second.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: And the left does this a lot.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: Kamala is a woman of color, and you know, half black, half uh Indian, I believe.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: And um, or Southeast Asian, I can't remember what the, but for her to ascend to be the vice president of the United States and then ascend to be the the Democratic nominee, I just think as a progressive party, whether she was corporate or not, those are let's just not beat the shit out of her all the time.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: 100.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: I think that black women are tired of being just browbeat all the time.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's something the left does about her that I think we need to celebrate that our ideas created an environment where she could be the Democratic nominee and she could be the vice president of the United States.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: And so kudos on all of that.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: 100.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: After that, after she lost, obviously, I think we all went through a lot of things because it was just it was just devastating.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: And and you wake up that next morning and and you're a mother and you think about like when you're a parent, or you think, okay, I can take this.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm a big girl, I can do it.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: But I don't want to leave this place, you know, like this for my kids or for my nephews or for my you know other loved ones that are younger than I am.
29:41
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29:45
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29:55
SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking at this article that says ABC launches on-air campaign urging viewers to back network in Trump agency fights.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: This is so chilling, dude.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Like the ABC network, which is also, by the way, ABC Fox Disney.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: So crazy.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: This is so insane.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: I have to see how this is being covered.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: The left is covering this like this.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: ABC Escalates, the Hollywood Reporter.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: ABC Escalates battle with the FCC, launches on-air campaign urging public support.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: ABC launches an on-air campaign warning viewers of FCC actions.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay, these are Hollywood outlets too.
30:33
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30:36
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30:36
SPEAKER_00: Deadline, high factuality.
30:38
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30:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is no good.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Variety is a media conglomerate, too.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: So this is just, these are all Hollywood publications.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Let's see how the center is covering it.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Reuters is saying ABC launches on-air campaign urging viewers to back the network in Trump agency fights.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: I want to see how the right is covering this.
30:56
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31:02
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31:06
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31:10
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31:23
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32:49
SPEAKER_02: So I I think everybody started getting radicalized.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: And I also push back a little bit on the word radicalized because is it radicalized or is it deprogrammed?
32:59
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: And I think that we all started deprogramming ourselves to realize that radical ideas are not radical.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: They have been named radical so that we don't adopt them and go, oh, we're crazy.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: We're wild and crazy leftists now.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm on healthcare.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: And so I do think, and this is anecdotal, but I have a lot of female friends in Oklahoma who were probably centrist, and they are like full-blown, you know, woke sharia, Mom Donistan.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: We love Zoran Momdani.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's so great.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: God, I really love him.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you what, I love that Abdul El-Sayed.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: And I even listened to that Hassan Piker.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, everybody said he was scary.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: I think he's just as cute as a button, and I quite like him.
33:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:46
SPEAKER_02: And so I think a lot of people are starting to realize we have all been fed a shit ton of propaganda about Israel, about the United States, about capitalism, about the two-party system.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: And everybody's kind of going through a mass detox of corporate shit.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: Corporate news, we're we're detoxed.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: That's why this space is so great right now because people are coming to people like us.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: And it's better than the news because they want to know what you believe in.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: And if you believe in something, that's right.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't have to agree with you 100%, but I know that you stand on business where the corporations believe in profit.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
34:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:27
SPEAKER_02: That's all they believe in.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: So as it comes to the candidates, I love that Zoran is winning.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: I just had a podcast episode with Bernie over the weekend.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Yes, how was it?
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's just so he's so great.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Was he IRL?
34:41
SPEAKER_02: I apologize no, it was strange.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: But I apologized to him for not voting for him in the 2016 primary that I voted for Hillary, and he forgave me live.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: Jen 100.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: We had fucking Hillary Clinton on Broad City, my show on Comedy Central.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: And everybody was like, fuck you, you dumb cunts.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: You should have had Bernie.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: And there was like, you know, mixed messages of Bernie Bros at that time.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: But also, I'm like, oh my gosh.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about Bernie as a person, but Bernie as a concept.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: Did you vote for Hillary in 16?
35:10
SPEAKER_02: I voted for Hillary.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Me too.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: In the primary.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: Guess who won in the state of Oklahoma?
35:14
SPEAKER_02: Guess who won the Democratic primary?
35:16
SPEAKER_02: Who?
35:16
SPEAKER_02: Bernie.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: So I double lost.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: I oh that's the thing about being a blue dot in a red state.
35:22
SPEAKER_02: Whoever you vote for always loses.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: But the primary, you might get a winner.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: Bernie won the Democratic primary in Oklahoma.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: So I apologize to him.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: He accepted my apology.
35:31
SPEAKER_02: He forgave me.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: But what he did, like my wow, my my oldest son, he's in law school right now.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: I remember my oldest son calling me a conservative because I had a Hillary sign in my yard.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, come to find out he was a big Hassan Piker.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: I always saw these charges for Twitch on my credit card.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Dylan, what's this Twitch thing?
35:51
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh, it's a video gaming thing.
35:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, he's listening to Hassan.
35:55
SPEAKER_02: Bernie set the psychological soil and he hasn't had to change his tone.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: He hasn't had to change his story in all of these decades.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: My favorite you can like YouTube of Bernie's speech from 30 years ago.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: Same shit.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: He's been fighting for the same thing all of this time.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: But he, born out of him, he never won president, sadly, but is Zoran is a duel.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: I I love it.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's going to happen in 28, but I don't like this other thing too.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: Kamala shouldn't run.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: That I shouldn't run.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: This person, let everybody run.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I also didn't realize until um, I think I was also so scared and felt so abused under Trump that Biden felt safe to me.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: And listen, he he won.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: And Biden, I mean, there's a there's a marionette there, but then there's also like a team of people who did incredible work.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: On paper, Biden is the most progressive president we've ever had.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and he had the most progressive uh team.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean diverse team.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Trans people, all right.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: That's right, yeah.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: And and beyond identity politics, they they were they closed the racial wealth gap more than any other president in the past.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: You could the with the um relieving credit debt in real time on your fucking computer, that closed the racial wealth gap.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Also, this program that they fucking launched that of course was gutted under Trump, you could start uh a climate protection career at$90,000 a year.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: They created this incredible program.
37:20
unknown: Wow.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: Like the employment opportunity for that.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, so anyway, I voted for Biden, but I think in my detox in the past six years, I'm also realizing like the genuine um impactful power of voting for who you want in the primary.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, I didn't I didn't know at the time.
37:41
SPEAKER_02: I think I always felt like I'm gonna vote for who I think can win.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, exactly.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: So Hillary Clinton bought into the corporate.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: I was a you know, MSNBC girly.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right, right.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: It was like Bernie's crazy.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: And Hillary, you know, it's her turn.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: And I do that, she's a very accomplished woman, very smart, et cetera, blah, blah.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm with her.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: I was all in on all of that.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: But I I I'm I'm off of all of that.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm off of the party line.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: And I don't think you and I are experiencing this in a vacuum.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: I think this is happening all over the place.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: And I think Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, whom I refer to as Chuckles, are gonna be are gonna be in for a rude awakening because they have not caught up with how angry slash done the Democratic base is with the do nothing democratic wing of the party.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, we like, unless you're gonna fight and tell Palantir to go fuck themselves and not take money from him, tell APAC to go fuck themselves and not take money from him, hit the bricks.
38:41
SPEAKER_02: Like nobody wants you.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: And uh Chuckles is so old.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you doing?
38:46
SPEAKER_00: You don't want to be with your family, is what I'm saying.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: With the last gasps of life that you have in you, go meet your grandchildren.
38:56
SPEAKER_00: Get out of my life.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking about like Trump and Mitch McConnell, and I think Chuck Chuckles can't seem a little young, comparatively speaking, because we have an assisted living center in Congress right now.
39:13
SPEAKER_02: You just saw him wheel out, Mitch McConnell.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: Did you see that?
39:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, he's half dead.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: It's I don't know.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh god.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: He still votes the wrong way.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: They have to come and intervene.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Insane.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: It's it's so past Veep.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's so past V, it's we're post-VEP.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Did you love that show?
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: But then, but then like in the sixth season, it started being reality, and I was like, I I have to pause and maybe watch after the election.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, so what do you think is gonna be for the midterms?
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I think it's gonna be a blue tsunami if they don't cheat as much as I think they're going to.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: And so, of course, you know, in Texas, they there's a like 1.3 million people who have been kind of put on a purgatory, if you will, of voter lists.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: And these people are not aware that they've been kind of shifted from the active polls to some sort of temporary list.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Secondly, um, Governor Greg Abbott, whom I refer to as Governor Hot Wheels because he's in a wheelchair.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I know what y'all are thinking.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's not woke.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing he voted against after a tree fell on him and caused him to be handicapped.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Then he voted into law that such lawsuits now you couldn't do anymore.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: And so in the fight for fascism, gloves are off.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: You have to just go after these people.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the only language they understand.
40:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he has closed down 93 polls.
40:44
SPEAKER_02: Now, these are the freedom people, these are the constitution people, these are the we love America people.
40:50
SPEAKER_02: So, in the state of Texas, where Talo Rico is bound to win, hopefully, but I will never trust the Texas electorate that much.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: And I was born in Texas, so sorry, Texas people, I'm one of you.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: Because Ted Cruz continues to get elected and elected, he's the most unlikable, unfuckable MFR on the planet, only surpassed recently by Stephen Miller, which I didn't think you could outdo how horrific Ted was.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: But I think that what Trump learned from 1.0 when he called Georgia and he was like, I need you to find me 11,000 votes.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he found Republicans that had um decency.
41:29
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
41:30
SPEAKER_02: That wanted to uphold the law.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: And even Mike Pence, you know.
41:34
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: Even Mike Pence, that's what I have to say.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: White people, you think Trump's gonna protect you?
41:39
SPEAKER_02: They tried to kill Mike Pence.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Literally called for his Mike Pence rule.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: But I think that in a lot of these states, now he has secretaries of states or governors that he can call, and they're like, sir, yes, sir, we'll gladly throw all of this away.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: And then this sounds very conspiratorial, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say it because I think we've all thought it.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: I have no evidence for this.
42:02
SPEAKER_02: I just all these tech guys and all of the satellites they have and everything being digital just causes me a lot of unease.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know that there's any fuckery with any of that.
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Would it surprise me?
42:14
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Do you know Elon Musk just uh opened something called votesafe.org?
42:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh do you know this?
42:20
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: And then you put your information in and they uh uh manipulate you and track you and confuse you out of voting safely and fairly.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have to be such a loser to know that you have no chance of winning.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: It's they cheat because they can't win.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: It's it's crazy.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: They cheat.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: They cheat because they haven't won the culture wars.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: They cheat because they know their pop their policies are not popular.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: For decades now, the Republicans have fought against this progressive march towards a more perfect union, to sound cheesy, but more towards equality, more towards inclusivity, human rights, human rights, basic human rights met.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: And they have constantly tried to make it more and more and more difficult for people to vote.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: My whole life has always been about Republicans and this voter fraud and all of this stuff.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: And so I do think it will be a blue tsunami because I do believe everybody, even some triple Trumpers, I think are like we fucked up.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: But I don't trust the system that he has now rigged to deliver it.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: But look at what just happened in Hungary with That's right.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: Victor, yeah, Orban was thrown out.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, and they rigged that up as best they could, but the turnout was too big to rig.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that we have to have that type of thing.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: Too big to rig, too big to rig.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: Who do you turn to for organization?
43:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, what are we gonna do?
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Who are we gonna, whose system are we gonna pump up?
43:46
SPEAKER_00: Indivisible?
43:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, like what are we gonna fucking do?
43:49
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna rig it, they're gonna jan six it.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: I just watched your latest episode with your husband.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, what are we gonna do in your in your eyes?
43:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, I there's a guy named Mark Elias.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Have you do you follow him?
44:01
SPEAKER_02: He is the the premier election, it's election alliance, is I think the name of his uh group.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: And he is the premier lawyer on voting rights.
44:13
SPEAKER_02: And he's always taking the Trump administration to court and he's always winning time and time and time and time and time again.
44:20
SPEAKER_02: Um also, I don't want people to feel too scared to go vote, but you know, obviously if you voting is done at a state level.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: And so if you live in a blue state, you know, I don't think it's, you know, I think all of that's gonna be on the up and up.
44:35
SPEAKER_02: But if you live in a red state where I voted for 50 years, or how once I turned 18, so what, 30 something years?
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that even in red states, you know how in 2024 it was like the count, this county moved red and this county moved.
44:51
SPEAKER_02: And you're just like like the salt in the womb.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, there's more mega.
44:56
SPEAKER_02: This can't be it.
44:57
SPEAKER_02: But I think now we're going to see a recovery of that, yeah, plus an even bluing out.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: And so I hope that even in these red, really, really red states.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: But here's a message that I want to say to your listeners because blue dots and red states are the toughest progressives in the country.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: You have to be tough to be progressive in New York.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: You just walk outside, breathe air.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: The air's great.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: There's not any conservative cooties in it.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nobody's trying to keep you from having an abortion.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: You want to go gay marry, you can do that.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: You want to go to a drag show, you can do that.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: You can go get at the library and get any book you want to get.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:33
SPEAKER_02: So then it's a degree of how big of a liberal are you?
45:36
SPEAKER_02: Are you a leftist or are you a progressive or are you a centrist?
45:39
SPEAKER_02: And you have these quaint fights about that.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: When I first moved to New York, people were like, I hate Kathy Hokel.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, really?
45:46
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, oh yeah, she's a fracker and da-da-da-da-da.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I just moved from a state where my government did a total abortion ban.
45:54
SPEAKER_02: His name is Kevin Stitt.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: And after he won his second term, he said, I dedicate every square inch of this country to Jesus Christ, of this state to Jesus Christ.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: So it's even though Kathy Hokel could maybe be better from where I come from, Kathy Hokel means that women don't die because of an ectopic pregnancy.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: And women are not driving to some state in the middle of the night because they were raped by their uncle.
46:21
SPEAKER_02: And so to all the blue dots in the red state, I mean, I think the biggest message that you all have to message in your friend groups is people in Oklahoma will say, you know, I just we got to take our country back.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, from who?
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Oklahoma has a supermajority.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: You have Republican governor, Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican Supreme Court, and that's local.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: Then you get to federal.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: Trump has fucking everything.
46:48
SPEAKER_02: If you don't like how the world is right now and you live in a red state, these are Republican policies.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: This is what it is.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: So it's just been like for me moving up here this last year.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: High times in Mom Donna stand.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm so excited that you're a New Yorker.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: It is so, and so Pumps is still in Oklahoma.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: She's in Oklahoma, yeah.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, I wore my pumps glasses for you today to honor her.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, so how does it feel?
47:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, I want to talk about, I was so excited for you in a personal way to see you moving to New York.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Your kids are grown, you did the fucking thing, raising those kids, working, mom, keeping a marriage together through all that is its own job.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, and now you move to New York.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: Tell me how it feels.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm excited for you.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's all.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: It's so liberating.
47:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:36
SPEAKER_02: It's so awesome.
47:37
SPEAKER_02: I everything that you said, like I worked, my husband struggled with addiction, sent him to rehab a couple of times, raised the kids, um, made sure my boys didn't have to boys, made sure they didn't come out of that Republican or evangelical, successful on both fronts.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: Incredible.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: They're both super progressive, secular, good, good, fine young men that fight for the underdog 12 times out of 10.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: And hell yeah.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: 12 times out of 10.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: They do.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: They're so good about that, too.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: They are so, so good about that.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: Inspiring.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so then I just in Oklahoma, the patriarchy reigns.
48:18
SPEAKER_02: And so the mindset around women once their kids graduate is it's gonna be so depressing, you know.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: The emptiness syndrome is this huge, like I went through depression and I'm on a new dose of Lexapro and da da da da.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: Wow, wow.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying that's not real because it is real.
48:31
SPEAKER_02: No, totally real.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: It's very real.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: And I just thought, I I don't have to do that.
48:37
SPEAKER_02: Men reinvent themselves at 50 all the time and start new businesses and do things.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: And I just thought, I want to know what it's like to live in a place where nobody asks me what church I go to.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: And I've been here for one year.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: Not one motherfucker has said, Jennifer, what church do you go to?
48:59
SPEAKER_02: And then when I respond, I don't go to church in Oklahoma.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: The judgment that ensues is so massive.
49:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, and then the plan to save me and rapture's coming, all these things.
49:11
SPEAKER_02: But um, it's been so fabulous, and the diversity and just just the walkability of the city.
49:17
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I'm just so firmly believed that we were more humans were more meant to live this life.
49:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm outside more than I ever have been in my entire life.
49:26
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: And you think, well, Oklahoma, that's be outdoorsy.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: You'd be no, you drive in your car, you pull into your garage, you put your garage door down, you go inside.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: But here I walk everywhere, I go to parks all the time.
49:40
SPEAKER_02: My dogs love it here.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: They're so happy.
49:44
SPEAKER_02: They do such a good job getting pigeons up back to their uh nest.
49:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh tell me about like your day.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: You walking around saying hi to people.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: People must recognize you all the time.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: And the richness of the city is just, I mean, it's it's invaluable, it's very expensive here, but it's also like, yeah, no shit, because you're getting to be with all different kinds of people, get all different kinds of ideas and backgrounds.
50:06
SPEAKER_00: It's incredible.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: It's just so fun.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: Are you seeing shows?
50:09
SPEAKER_00: You're constantly, are you like constantly on?
50:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're making your own show.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: I've had it all the time, but other people's shows and stuff.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, on other people's shows.
50:16
SPEAKER_02: My son, um, he my youngest son goes to USC and he did an internship here this summer.
50:21
SPEAKER_02: You know, um, Julian Shapiro.
50:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: So he did that outside tonight.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: Julian Shapiro Barnum, recess therapy, but young mogul, young mogul.
50:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
50:30
SPEAKER_02: So he had that show Outside Tonight, and my youngest son Roman was his intern.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
50:34
SPEAKER_02: And so Roman lived with me all summer, and we would go see matinees, and we would just, I'd be like, let's go explore a neighborhood today, and we would just pick a neighborhood to explore.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's a there's a saying in Italian, I think it's dolce far niente, which means the art of doing nothing.
50:51
SPEAKER_02: And you can't really do that in Oklahoma, but you can do that here, where you get up and you have no plan as to what you're gonna do, and you find yourself at Washington Square Park.
51:02
SPEAKER_02: That's incredible.
51:03
SPEAKER_02: My friend and I go to Washington Square Park the other day, and we're sitting there with the dogs.
51:07
SPEAKER_02: My dogs like to sit with the people, not inside the dog park.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: And that's just another thing we could get into in another episode, the psychology of dogs.
51:14
SPEAKER_02: But we're sitting there, and these two men walk by and they each have a tray in their hand, and on top of the tray is a bunny, one tray has two bunnies, and one tray has another bunny, and they're white, really pretty bunnies with like floppy ears.
51:30
SPEAKER_02: One of them was black, and then two were white with spots.
51:33
SPEAKER_02: They take these bunnies to this area in Washington Square Park where it's kind of fenced off, and they put the bunnies down, and the bunnies are just running around in there.
51:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm just watching the entire thing.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, I I have so many questions.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: The tray is bugging me out.
51:47
SPEAKER_02: The tray.
51:47
SPEAKER_02: So I sent my friend because I couldn't take my dogs in there because they would try to attack the bunnies, sadly.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: So I sent my friend Renee Stubbs.
51:55
SPEAKER_02: She's a uh she just coached Serena and Venus in there.
51:58
SPEAKER_02: She's a tennis.
51:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
52:00
SPEAKER_02: She's cool.
52:00
SPEAKER_02: So she's a power, she's a power lesbian.
52:03
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, Renee, you know, if you need something done, send a lesbian.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Renee, go in there and ask those guys what's going on.
52:10
SPEAKER_02: I need to know why the bunnies are on the tray, what they're doing here, how often they come here.
52:14
SPEAKER_02: I need I have so many questions, but I can't go and I can't leave the dogs with you because then they'll try to get to me.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: So she goes over, and that's just how they transport them on the trays.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: They live around the corner, they take the bunnies to the park every weekend so that they can run around in the grass.
52:29
SPEAKER_00: That is so New York and that is so um Washington Square Park in particular.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: Right?
52:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: But imagine me, Alana, my entire life.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: I and I had a great life in Oklahoma.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: And I have great, great blue dot friends in Oklahoma that I mean, I stand with those people because we have to fight to be progressive.
52:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, the air's against us, right?
52:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
52:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you don't have an experience like that would be judged.
52:52
SPEAKER_02: People are like, those guys are weird.
52:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and they're gay.
52:55
SPEAKER_02: And who do they think they are with their bunnies?
52:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
52:57
SPEAKER_02: All of that would just be judged.
52:59
SPEAKER_02: Half the shit I see in Oklahoma, I mean in New York would be judged.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: And here, nobody thinks anything of it, first and foremost.
53:07
SPEAKER_02: And secondly, the weirder and the quirkier, the more it's kind of celebrated.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: Celebrated.
53:12
SPEAKER_00: It's just like get that bunny tray, like whatever.
53:15
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
53:15
SPEAKER_02: It's fun.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: It's so fun.
53:17
SPEAKER_02: It's so fun.
53:17
SPEAKER_02: It's one thing I love about New York is there's, I guess it's the difference of living in the Bible belt and a non-Bible belt.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: Is there the judgment that I lived around is just that air is gone.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: There's no judgment here.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: The judgment you're naming, it's so funny, you know, these these places and people that uh posture themselves to be so Christian.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: Who are you to judge?
53:37
SPEAKER_00: I thought that was for God.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna fucking judge people and what they do?
53:40
SPEAKER_00: Like they're the worst.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: I think the bigger the Christian, the bigger the judger.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: There's something about New York where you come in and you it's it seems overwhelming at first, but then you just start tackling it.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: And then it kind of becomes your version of it, and then you meet the most interesting, fascinating people.
53:58
SPEAKER_02: And I I've been here long enough now that I recognize the faces in the dogs of the neighborhood.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: So good.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: So you know, like I'm like, I know that dog for you.
54:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I know that dog because I talked to his owner the other day.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: And then you meet their like dog walkers, you know them too, because you recognize the dog.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: The best thing is is the time in the streets.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: Walking from point A to point B, like Josh, my husband was just here, and we went, we walked to the gym, and you know, you experience three or four different things that are kind of interesting or funny or peculiar or quirky, and walked back.
54:31
SPEAKER_02: And I said, There's just so much richness in the unexpected times of life.
54:36
SPEAKER_02: Like when if I was in Oklahoma and I drove to the gym, it would what would make that drive is what song I chose.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: But in New York, you're just out with everybody.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: Every, everybody has to be on the street.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, even if you're a billionaire, at some point you're gonna have to walk a block.
54:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nobody's exempt from it.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so it's to me, it the streets of New York are a great equalizer.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: I take the subway everywhere, which I love.
55:00
SPEAKER_02: So fun.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: Because I just watch humanity go.
55:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:03
SPEAKER_02: And it just, I don't know.
55:05
SPEAKER_02: There's something really beautiful about being human.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: What I'm hearing is that you do have hope right now for our country.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: Is that right or no?
55:13
SPEAKER_02: I do.
55:14
SPEAKER_02: I do have hope.
55:15
SPEAKER_02: I I really do.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: I don't mean to put words in your mouth.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: We have to have hope.
55:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:19
SPEAKER_02: We really do.
55:20
SPEAKER_02: We have to have hope because you know, I I vacillate, and your listeners have probably experienced this.
55:25
SPEAKER_02: So there's like a schizophrenic part of me where I'm like, on one token, I'm like, I fucking hate America.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm so tired.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: But then on the other token, I like see this moment with you, and we're making this great podcast, or just little moments that you have in the street, or you watch the New York Knicks win, or I watched the Oklahoma City Thunder win the season before that.
55:52
SPEAKER_02: And you, I just went to, you know, you can go to a music show and you see the diversity of black athletes, of black artists, of gay basketball players, you know, in the WMBA, and what's like, no, we really support women's sports, you know?
56:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: And you see how I don't know, there's just something really badass about being American.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: Everything they hate about America, I fucking love.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
56:17
SPEAKER_02: I love the diversity.
56:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: I love the fact that Barack Obama was president.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: I love that Kamala ascended to where she did.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: Do we need to go further?
56:26
SPEAKER_02: Do we need more progressive candidates?
56:27
SPEAKER_02: Do we need a new new deal?
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, to all of those things.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: But I every I I I get hope in thinking because I just hate the MAGA so much.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: And I'm talking like they were a species.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: I hate, I hate the MAGA so much.
56:42
SPEAKER_02: I hate the MAGA so much.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: But I think, you know what?
56:46
SPEAKER_02: I love everything that they hate.
56:48
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like we have to love those things even more because they hate on them so much.
56:52
SPEAKER_00: Hell yeah.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: It's such an honor to be in conversation with you.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: You are fucking genius, incisive, razor sharp.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: You are fire, girl.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: I fucking love it.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: And um, it's it's just my pleasure and honored to have you.
57:06
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Jen Welch, for coming today and chatting.
57:12
SPEAKER_00: This was just so fucking cool and also just got my brain flowing, girl.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank um everybody who helped this podcast become possible today.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank David Rooklyn.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank Annika Carlson.
57:24
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank the Brain Trust, Madeline Kim, Glennis Mahar, Kelsey Kiley.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: Also wanna thank our producer Amanda Jane Stern and our head of partnerships, Deanna Spin Allen.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank the people who made this so beautiful, Kevin Deming, Nicole Maupin, and Lexa Krebs.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank Toboli Boitz, who edits the shit out of this shit.
57:40
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank Ray Moventura for the um lit graphics and branding, as well as the opening musical sting, which rocks.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: And you know what else rocks?
57:48
SPEAKER_00: This outro by the band Don Her, which is Elliot Glazer, Jimmy Hines, Derek Nero from Smithtown Long Island.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know this is a Star Pix production.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: You know this is a human only made production.
57:59
SPEAKER_00: And if you like this show, if you like the vibe, like and subscribe and comment.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: This shit makes a difference, actually, for me to be able to bring you this show.
58:07
SPEAKER_00: For all of us, this village to be able to bring you this show.
58:10
SPEAKER_00: So get on it.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: And uh can't wait to see you next time.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Bye.