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UK Column News Podcast 22nd March 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twenty second of the March twenty twenty four,
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just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Colin News. I'm your
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host Mike Robinson joining me in the studio today. It's great to have Ben
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Ruben. Hi, Mike Kelly. I'm doing very well, Thank you very
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much. We've got Debbie Evans with us today as well and also a special
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guest. Now we are going to get started off with hatred, because of
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course hatred is the top of the headlines, the one particularly hatred in Scotland
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and well HOMESI Yusef is not terribly excited about what's going on in terms of
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the response to the Hit Bill or the Hit Act as it now is in
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Scotland. There's been a lot of disinformation spread on social media, he says,
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through some inaccurate media reporting and by political opponents. So what is he
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talking about. Well, this is this new law which comes into force and
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we're going to give a little bit of a detail on it at the moment,
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but it extends the offensive, stirring up hatred to other things like eage,
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disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics
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otherwise known as intersex. Now, of course a lot of the farouor over
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this came with Police Scotland putting this web page up and creating their hit Monster
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campaign, and this resulted in a huge derision online and so on. If
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you go looking for this page nine, this is what you get a four
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four page nine find in the mainstream press. They are denying that the hit
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Monster is dead, but it's certainly been taken down from the website in the
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meantime. Now we might be making light of this. Actually there's an extremely
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serious aspect to this, and I just want to look at some of the
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text from the Police Scotland national guidance on the issue. So let's look at
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what it says for recording purposes, not words for the police to record this.
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As I see, my font are a bit messed up, so I
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do apologize for this. For recording purposes. The perception of the victim or
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any other purpose is a defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hit
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incident or is recognized, or in recognizing the malice element of a crime.
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The perception of the victim. Ben right, let's go on with it and
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this is also going to be a bit wrong, but anyway, the perception
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of the victim should always be explored. However, they do not have to
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justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff members should
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not direct the challenge this perception. Evidence of malice and ill will is not
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required the hit for a hit crime or hit incident to be recorded and thereafter
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investigated as a hit crime or hit incident by police. It goes on the
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alleged actions of the perpetrator must amount to a crime under Scottish Crime Recording Standard
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rules, so fair enough it has to be a crime. If this is
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the case, the perception of the victim or any other person will decide whether
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the crime is recorded as a hit crime. And finally, if the facts
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do not identify a recordable crime, but the victim perceives it to be a
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hit crime, the circumstances will be recorded as a hit incident, not non
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crime incident. But I don't know what you think about this, Ben,
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but it seems incredible to me that they are really trying to get away with
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evidence not being required in order for an event to be recorded as a hit
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crime, and therefore investigated by the police. And the question then is where
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does that end The police could be and perhaps this is the way that campaigners
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might go. Police could be overwhelmed by this extremely quickly. If every comment
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that anybody MIxS is reported as some kind of hit crime, I mean,
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it's a total perversion of due process, and yeah, I think it could
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descend into chaos very quickly. Maybe that's the point. Well, maybe it
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is, Debbie. I don't know if you've got any thoughts on this,
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well, yes, I certainly have. Good afternoon everybody. After speaking to
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the youngsters that I spoke to with regard to PREVENT and what's happening in England,
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you know, you've only got to say something and it gets reported to
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a Prevent officer and then you get a knock on the door. And if
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that knock on the door, the person that's knocking on the door deems your
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comment to be discriminatory or a matter of national security, it's a police investigation.
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So it's just Prevent on speed. I think in Scotland it is.
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Indeed, now let's just bring this up from the Scholarsh Union for Education,
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because if you want to know more about this, there's no better place to
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go. And Stuart Whitten, who's been on this program that's written for us
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in the past, is involved with this organization. What I'm looking at here
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is this Union for Education used letter number sixty and they're making two real points
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here, Debbie. First of all, as you say, does this mean
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that children who are often or can be a cerbic at times are going to
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be being reported a widespread basis. And if they are being reported on a
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widespread basiness, what effect is that going to have on their future lives,
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on their future careers if they have a black mark against them from the age
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of nothing. And we already have a regime in England, for example,
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where children are in primary schools are having instances of whatever kind of behavior recorded
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and this on a piece of paper, and this piece of paper falls them
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through right through the adulthood. So this is a pretty difficult direction to be
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going in. But then the other point that they also make, of course,
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is that teachers and lectures are likely to be on the receiving end of
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comments from students. In fact, as we know from the David Miller Kiss
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he lost his job at Bristol University for making what we're alleged to be antisemitic
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comments. You know where does this end, Debbie, Well, the consequences
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ripple on throughout lives. I mean this is it's going to get worse before
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it and we all need to be aware of it, and we need to
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be standing up against it. It's as simple as that. We need to
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be talking about it. Yes, indeed, Okay, Now let's come to
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you then and move on to health issues and well. Blood First of all,
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yeah, let's talk blood. Now, For an adult man weighing about
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two hundred pounds, they'll have about twelve pints of blood, that's six liters.
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For women weighing one hundred and sixty five pounds, you're looking at around
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four point three liters, which equates to nine points. So blood is unique,
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it is unique to us. It's a very very precious commodity. And
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I want to talk about blood transfusion in particular. Now I'm not going to
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touch on the unted vaccinated blood debate because you'll see where I'm going with this
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segment. So that's a whole new segment of its own. But blood's thicker
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than water. Blood, brothers, Well, let's remind ourselves of the hepatitis
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blood inquiry, which actually this has been going on for forty years and the
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victims of some of them are dead actually, but the victims still haven't received
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any compensation. So we know that there are massive problems with infected blood,
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but it seems as though we haven't learnt our lessons. But there are other
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uses of blood. And back in two seventeen, BBC three was reporting a
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story about the super rich were injecting blood from teenagers to gain immortality. Now,
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this was a clinical trial that was held in San Francisco that was offering
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blood transfusions for older patients from younger people, and that was plasma. And
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we're looking at six two hundred pounds for two and a half of plasma.
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Now, these blood transfusions back then were being promoted at society galas. It
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was a big thing. So you bought your ticket for the gala for one
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hundred and ninety five dollars and then you would get a handout once you got
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there. Now, if you look further into what you actually had to do
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when you got the handout, is that you would have to pay two hundred
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and eighty five thousand dollars to enroll on this clinical trial and this scheme to
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be able to be transfused with young plasma. Now, there was plenty of
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interest. There was one company called Ambrosia, and Ambrosia started the whole thing,
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but there have been other companies like Cellularity and Google Calico. Plenty of
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interest in young blood, even to the point of using plus centers plus cental
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blood. So this was all about age reverse alright, and immortality. But
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the FDA soon put their foot down and said that absolutely not, we cannot
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use young blood. And that's why I'm titling this segment young blood. We
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cannot use young blood for this purpose. However, the narrative has changed.
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So what has it changed into. Well, it's changed into using young blood
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for Alzheimer's. So if we look at this study here young blood a plasma
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administration to fight Alzheimer's disease. Now this is basically young plasma, and it
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says that that has potential therapeutic properties by ameliorating aspects of disease present in Alzheimer's
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disease patients. And the clinical trials are underway now. Interesting engineering also brought
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out a very interesting article in twenty twenty three. So we're coming right up
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to date now twenty twenty three, where researchers have been finding that young blood
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could have rejuvenating effect when infused into older bodies to rejuvenate heart muscle and generally
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organs. But then in twenty twenty four March, so this month this has
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just been published, and this is exercise blood plasma promotes hippocampal neurogenesis in the
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Alzheimer's disease of a rat brain. Now, the hippocampus is in the limbic
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system and it holds all your memories, your working memory, your rote memory,
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autobiographical memories. So you can see how that plays into Alzheimer's. But
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if we go to look at the conclusion of that paper, you can see
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that it says our proof of concepts study demonstrates that plasma from exercise trained donors
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can protect neuronal cells in culture and promote hippo campel neurogenesis in Alzheimer's disease rat
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brains. Now, I just want to rewind a little bit to a TED
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talk that was given eight years ago. This was given by Professor Tony weiss
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Core Now he's a professor of neurology at Stanford and he'd studies degeneration and the
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degeneration of brains, and I want you to listen very carefully, just to
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the end of his talk. Let's have a listen. So to summarize,
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we find the old mouse and its brain in particular, are malleable. They're
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not set in stone. We can actually change them. It can be rejuvenated.
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Young blood factors can reverse aging. And what I didn't show you in
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this model, the young mouse actually suffers from exposure to the old So there's
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old blood factors that can accelerate aging. And most importantly, humans may have
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similar factors because we can take young human blood and have a similar effect.
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Old human blood I didn't show you does not have this effect. It does
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not make the mice younger. So is this magic transferable to humans. We're
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running a small clinical study at Stanford where we treat Alzheimer's patients with mild disease
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with a pint of young plasma or plasma from young volunteers twenty year olds,
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and do this once a week for four weeks, and then we look at
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their brains with imaging. We test them cognitively and we ask their caregivers for
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daily activities of living. What we hope is that there are some signs of
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improvement by this treatment. And if that's the case, that could give us
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hope that what I showed you works in mice might also work in humans.
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Now, I don't think we will live forever, but maybe we discovered that
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the fountain of youth is actually within us and it has just dried out.
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And if we can turn it back on a little bit, maybe we can
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find the factors that are mediating these effects. We can produce these factors synthetically,
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and we can treat diseases of aging such as Alzheimer's disease or other dementias.
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So, as we know, Alzheimer's is a big agenda in the UK,
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and actually the Alzheimer's Guidance has been written by our very own Raj Long
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from the MHRA, who we know has no qualifications either in geriatrics. She's
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not a geriatrician, she's not a doctor, she's not a psychologist, she's
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a nobody. But she's written the agenda and we know that it was high
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on David Cameron's agenda. So what was interesting about that was they were not
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just talking about the effects of young blood on old people, but they were
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affected. They were talking about the negative effects of older blood within younger people.
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So my question to everybody out there, and if we've got any hematologists,
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of which I haven't met very many, but if we have any hematologists,
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they could perhaps answer that question in the effect that do we know who
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we're getting blood from? Would an eighteen year old want to receive my blood
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for example? So that's a question I'm throwing out. But on top of
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that, we can see that the National Citizen Service and the NHS are very
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busy. They are encouraging teenagers to sign up to donate their first pint and
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we've got this first pint campaign going on, which actually means that at sixteen,
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please sign up, is what they're saying, and you can give as
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early as seventeen. So looking at UK fundraising you can see that they're looking
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for a lot of people though, for one hundred and thirty five thousand new
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blood donors, specifically forty new black donors, and they're encouraging teenagers to register.
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But just to finish this segment off, I just want to finish on
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an article in The Guardian written by Zoe Williams, columnist who woke up one
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morning and found an email in her inbox and it said would she please donate
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a kidney? And that's what she received in her in books. As crazy
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as it might sound, would she please donate a kidney? She decided she
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would decline, but maybe in the future she might give some platelets. But
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are we looking at body parts? Organ donation? Blood donation? Okay,
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thank you, Debbie. Now I'm going to welcome Jackie de Void to the
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program at this point. Thank you very much for joining us. Jackie,
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Now you have well of course, first of all, we remind everybody that
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we hosted your symposium a few weeks ago on madazolam and that was an extremely
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interesting event. If anybody hasn't seen that, please have a look at the
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UK COLMN website and watch it if you possibly can. But Jackie, you
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have a documentary and production at the moment, it's almost finished and ready for
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premiere. Yeah it is. It's called Playing God. I just want to
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say thank you very much for your support with it and forgetting me on the
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show to talk about it. So Playing God is exposing a medical demicide in
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the UK over the last fifty years, so it's quite a broad look at
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death by government policy. That's what Demoside is. So we've been actually working
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on it for two years. It is finished now and you're going to show
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it. You're going to be the UK platform that is going to premiere it
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on April twenty second. We've also got Children's Health Defense Robert Kennedy Junior the
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kindly offered to platform it in the US, so that'll be seen worldwide via
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their site as well. So yeah, it's been in production for two years.
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The reason it's taken that long is because our crowded funded it pretty much
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single handedly. So you know, we're stopping and starting quite a lot.
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We couldn't do all in one go. We're a small team. There's just
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four of us. We've got award winning directors nim My Mood and his brother
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ashm Mood. We've got Phil Graham and myself as producers. And yeah,
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it's looking pretty good. So I think you're going to actually premier it on
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the twenty second on UK column at the same time as Children's Health Defense.
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I do believe, is that right? Yes, that is our intention.
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So we'll have a page on the front page of the website for that and
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we'll give the full details in due course, but just to put your website
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on screen, just tell us the web address for this. Yeah, so
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it's playing good dot UK. Very simple, So just one word playing good
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dot UK and you can see updates there and any information that you might want
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to find out. You can actually donate there as well, because we're still
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even though the film is finished, we're now in the post production phase,
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which obviously includes marketing, promotion, distribution. There's still a few more costs
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before we can actually get it to your screens, so if you come donate,
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that will be brilliant. It's also a crowdfunder look up playing God's Final
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Phase and it should pop up on crowdfunder. We've also got a brand new
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trailer. That's that's just the teaser there, but we've got a brand new
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trailer. I don't know, are you going to let's have a look at
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the trailer. Okay, brilliant thanks. In the last thirty years you can
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see good evidence that the National Health Service has become a killing machine. Elizabeth
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was killed off after I was crimly assaulted and made to have my baby two
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months early. But I've seen no reason at all. You can imagine the
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trauma of watching your perfectly healthy partner of twenty one years just died in his
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medication. Chat appears he had me daz alamin morphine two days after he died.
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Now I want to know what happened in my steward. When you go
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to a hospital, like a National Health hospital, you go there to be
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cured. You don't go there to die. It's a moment they go into
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hospital. They're being put onto these hospital protocols which dictate which drugs, which
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treatment they're going to receive, and it's a one size fits all blanket policy.
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Once procedures are put into a protocol, it becomes a straight jacket.
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They're literally killing people. At the moment, she was in no pain,
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there was no shortness of breath. Yet she was on six or seven different
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forms of medication. We hadn't known the Badley's side effects. There was nothing
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in the paperwork that he was given. The night nurse just pomp in with
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midazilamimorphine. Helena Bye was the first fatal case of the drug ep limp.
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These big pharmaceutical companies are money making businesses, they're not healthcare companies. That's
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what we're dealing with the money making potentially for audulent certainly historically criminal enterprise and
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then children. Also a market for unlicensed medications is the lack of the draw
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whether they benefit or is causation of death. The CQC said they were doing
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an investigation but Nates England stopped it. Those two doctors were playing god.
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They were killing people. She suffered much, she died needlessly. She could
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have been saved. That she was murdered by the state. And the thing
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just to finish off Jackie. The thing here is that you know, people
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have been talking about Liverpool care Pathway and so on, but that and the
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fact that that had been replaced. But the point is it has been replaced
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and there are other care pathways that people are being put on, maybe don't
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have the same reputation that that one did. Yeah, absolutely, I mean
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the Liverpool care path it was abolished in twenty fourteen. It shouldn't have been
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replaced with anything really, but back in twenty twenty they brought it back in
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under the guise of n G one sixty three n G one nine one.
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The film isn't solely about involuntary euthanasia and care pathways. It's covering demoside in
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a much broader sense, So we're covering drug trials so that people have been
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involuntarily put on and also jabs, you know, anything that the government's brought
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in that has killed people, basically dombside. Yeah, okay, Jackie,
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thank you very much. Nig will just put the crowdfunder on screen here so
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that anybody that wants to contribute can do so, and we would encourage that
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if you possibly can. So, Jackie, thank you very much for joining
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us today and we will keep every post everybody posted for the premiere in the
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next on the twenty second it was the twenty second, Yeah, twenty second
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of April. Yeah, brilliant, thank you, thank you, Jackie.
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Right, we're back off, do you That film just looked remarkable and we're
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going to continue talking about the many and ongoing misdeeds of the British state.
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There's a lot of excitement going on at the moment about an upcoming election for
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the lower house of Parliament, the House of Commons. But today we're going
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to have a look at some of the creatures who occupy the unelected upper house,
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the House of Lords. We're going to start with Baron Mandelsson, of
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Foy and Hartlepool, also known as Peter Mandelsson, the Prince of Darkness,
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and towards the end of last year, he was asked to give some advice
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to David Cameron on his return to a senior ministerial position. From the Lords.
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You mentioned David Cameron's return, on the fact that you welcome it,
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What advice do you have for him on how to be a successful senior minister?
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From the Lords in a surprise return to government. Love them, love
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them to bits, love them. Go there, be open, be warm,
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be friendly, but be congenial, and in return they'll love you back.
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Not on his kiss. Love the Lords, so congenial, so smooth,
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honestly British politicians. Well, Manderson loved the Lords. Who else does
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Manderson love? He loves this fella, Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein used to call
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him Pete, you know, he had a little pet name for Mandelson.
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Here they are sharing a birthday cake. Epstein obviously the notorious pedophile, human
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trafficker, mossad agents, and he was such good friends with Mandelsson that he
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had every single contact detail you could possibly want, his direct number, multiple
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addresses. They were clearly incredibly close and Mandelsshon is still advising top politicians in
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the UK Labor Party. I don't understand how this is possible with that track
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record, but he is actually one of the main influences over Kirs Starmer.
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He's viewed as a core part of the advisory networks surrounding a man who could
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potentially be the next prime minister of the country. Remarkable. So who was
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Mandelson giving advice to in that little video clip? He was speaking to Baron
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Cameron of Chipping Norton. David Cameron, former Prime Minister bond Libya for Obama,
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helped overthrow Gadaffi, which led directly to the reopening of open air slave
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markets in Libya and has enabled the mass migration into Southern Europe over the past
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few years, which Gadaffi had done a very effective job of ending during his
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leadership of the country. He was also called up in the green Sill scandal,
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so he was lobbying government contacts for access to COVID emergency funds. He
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was paid around ten million dollars in two and a half years for a part
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time advisory role before green Seal collapsed in twenty twenty one. Just who you
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want representing you on the international stage. He also helped American genomics firm Illumina
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secure one hundred and twenty three million pounds of government contracts via an introduction to
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Matt Hancock. He's an ongoing advisor to Illumina. I believe that actually makes
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him a member of the Illuminati, by the way, I do, yeah,
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I think it does. Yes. And after committing us to two ongoing
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conflicts in Ukraine and Israel, he spent the start of this year celebrating with
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a trip to the Satanic Temple at Goals House in Davos, just to let
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us know exactly whose side he's on. He's also the chairman of NCS.
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By the way, Debbie was talking about NCS trying to get young people to
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donate a pint of Bloodavid Cameron is the chairman of that organization. Nothing sinister
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about that at all. Now. Cameron is very very close with this fella,
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Lord Bethel of Romford, Jim Bethel, who has Ministerial responsibility for Innovation
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and was absolutely front and center in the COVID scenario. He was actually personally
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responsible for overseeing all COVID procurement. And we're going to have a little clip
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from him now talking about his relationship with China as part of that process.
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I completely agree with those speakers who have noted the failure by the government to
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publish a clear China strategy. Noel Barness Barns to SUSA was quite right when
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she said that is a big mistake. My area is the area of innovation,
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and I want to just talk about what the implications are of that mistake.
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For the area of innovation. I saw for myself as a health minister
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during the pandemic the absolutely critical importance of trade and scientific dialogue with China.
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When the supply chains collapsed, I was on the phone trying to rustle up
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ppe from supplies, literally standing on the tarmac of Hong Kong Airport. And
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I had a role in the three and a half billion pounds worth of the
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lefties that had been bought off China that were incredibly important to our battle against
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COVID. And I gave minister a oversight of development of new therapeutics and diagnostics,
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often with Chinese academic partners and supplies involved. So I am in no
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doubt about the value of Chinese scientists to some of the great challenges of our
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time. So he was on the tarmac of an airport in China personally cutting
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deals with PPE manufacturers and spending billions and pounds of taxpayer money. He was
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actually caught up in a scandal directly as part of this. There was an
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eighty five million pound contract that he was personally involved in that was put in
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question, and he had personal ministerial oversight of the development of new therapeutics working
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with the Chinese state. I mean, this guy is absolutely in the sick
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of everything that we've seen over the past few years. He was also the
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author of this report Genome UK the Future of Healthcare, which basically sets out
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a vision of a biotechnological industry focused on genetic genetic engineering manipulation of the human
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genome, and which would actually make us dependent on technology acquired from Illumina,
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which is where David Cameron is helping out and also has very very deep links
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into the Israeli technology ecosystem that Vanessa spoke about on the News earlier this week.
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Now, finally I want to finish up by talking about this gentleman Baron
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Vesi of Didcot, and we're going to show a short video here of him
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speaking on a panel about elections, misinformation and democracy at the AI Fringe in
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November last year. Yeah, we weren't allowed to do a Q and A,
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but we should have done. Shuldn't we because everyone wants to get stuck
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in theresh? Okay, what do you want to say about censorship? About
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the censorship of the Hunter violent laptop by Twitter Trust and Safety Team and have
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run after the twenty twenty presidential elections. I don't know any of you about
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I have no clue who was that then? So that was that was Baron
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Vasi and a lady could say Akio. She's a former labor counselor in Newham
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and a feminist campaigner type person, and she was also a member of the
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Twitter Trust and Safety Team in the UK. So both of them just denied
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knowledge of the existence of the Hunter Biden laptop. By the way, that
29:53
was me who had made that little interjection. If that wasn't clear, I
29:56
didn't say it, But yeah, I thought I'd take the opportunity to pose
30:02
a question to the noble Lord while he was sat there in front of me
30:06
going on about elections and disinformation and being incredibly disingenuous. Now, Baron Veazi,
30:11
if you're listening, just to be clear, this is what I was
30:15
talking about, right, So this is Hunter Biden's laptop. It was widely
30:19
available on the internet in October twenty twenty three years before our little altercation there
30:26
in King's Cross back in November last year, and it was easily validated by
30:30
anyone with access to the Internet and the stomach to go through the contents.
30:36
It's absolutely remarkable, and I suggest going to look at the Marco Polo report
30:40
on the laptop and its contents, which demonstrate a network of corruption into Ukraine
30:45
and China straight into the top of US politics. Obviously, Hunter Biden is
30:51
Joe Biden's son and further afield. But obviously Vasi, you know, we
30:56
can tell from the way he responded there and from more recent comments, is
31:02
a big is a big fan of censorship. He spoke about the Online Safety
31:07
Act being an important act. This is from a recent statement in the House
31:10
a couple of weeks ago. Says the Online Safety Act regulates the content of
31:14
the platforms and gave offcom very important powers to regulate them because you don't want
31:18
that nasty misinformation floating around. He also went on to say that our public
31:22
broadcasters are important because many of the senior executives that you meet at global media
31:29
corporations trained at places like the BBC. He actually sees that as a way
31:33
of projecting soft power actually probably more like hard power across across the world.
31:40
Actually, I mean this is working with big referring to big streaming platforms like
31:45
Netflix and Disney and Amazon and what have you. And Lord Vezi just to
31:52
finish up, is another one of these remarkable individuals who seems to be an
31:56
incredibly important high level political figure but also has his own radio show on Times
32:05
Radio that he's very excited about bringing people through from AKQA, which is owned
32:09
by WPP, the big communications network Kirk Geiger the apparel brand, and apparently
32:17
sees absolutely no issue with this, and he even had the goal in his
32:22
speech to big up Time's radio in the House of Lords, which I thought
32:24
demonstrated a total lack of class on his part. Okay, let's move on.
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well Ben was quickly out with his PILM to record this. Uh and well,
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this is a gift from Bob Moran, and I'm going to say thank
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you very much. Bob. This is spectacular, so help me. I'd
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mean, what an incredible thing to arrive in the office on a Friday morning,
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right, I mean, it's such a treat. He's one of the
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33:42
I mean, his work has been absolutely incredible, just pointing out the
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you know, laughable and entertaining at the same time. It's quite a skill,
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It certainly is, and I have to say just wow, wow,
34:17
wow, Bob Moran. Every picture tells the story, doesn't it. I
34:21
mean, that's just amazing. And this too, I mean, we have
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got a very very limited number of this book, which thank you so much
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to the collaboration between everybody at UK Column, Cheryl Granger and the Daily Cloud
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Thank you, Debbie. And speaking of Cheryl, she will be joining
35:04
us in extra she certainly will. We will be doing an exclusive post mortem
35:10
on the MHRA board meeting which we both went to along with quite a number
35:15
of other people this week. And it was riveting, So all of our
35:20
members and subscribers please join us for that. It's going to be an exclusive
35:24
okay. And finally your blog is up, yeah, the War on our
35:30
Minds. I've done a big piece on that, as you can see NHS
35:36
electric ambulances and also antimicrobial resistance and also what's geo fencing. You know when
35:42
you walk into a shop and suddenly something pops up on your screen and you
35:45
think, how did my phone know that I was looking at that? It'll
35:50
explain in my blog this week. Okay, thank you, Debbie. And
35:53
yesterday's interview of course on fluoride is up on the UK Colm website now if
35:58
you would like to go and have a look at that. And then I
36:00
just want to mention that on the eighteenth of April there will be a bit
36:07
on the floor of the House of Commons now on excess mortality related to COVID
36:10
nineteen and so Andrew Bridge very pleased about that. I'm very pleased about that.
36:17
So I encourage everybody to watch it live on the eighteenth of April.
36:23
No, let's just quickly move on and to psychological effects. Debbie of Water
36:31
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, when something. When I hear words
36:37
that three times in twenty four hours, that's my rule. When I hear
36:40
the same words, it is a red alert. And I kept hearing this
36:45
term psychological safety. Now, we've been hearing loads from doctors, from people
36:51
in different areas of science who have tried to speak up but they haven't been
36:55
allowed to They've been censored, or people that are too scared, nurses that
37:00
are too scared to speak up, people that are too scared because they may
37:02
lose their job. Well, we have a new agenda and it's being pushed
37:07
big time, and it's called psychological safety. So this is just to give
37:10
you an example from the Ministry of Defense how psychological safety is playing a part
37:15
in most major mod projects. Now, I just want to bring your attention
37:22
to Dr Amy Edmondson. She says, there when people believe they can speak
37:25
up at work, the learning, innovation and performance of their organizations is greater
37:30
teams and organizations in which people believe that their voices are welcome outperform their counterparts.
37:37
Dr Amy Edmondson nov Artist, Professor of Leadership and Management at Harvard Business
37:42
School. She's also she's the pioneer if you like of psychological safety, and
37:47
she was I don't know how people get awarded these things, but she was
37:52
awarded something for being the most influential thinker influential things since twenty eleven. I
38:00
don't know how you measure how you're an influential thinker, but apparently you do.
38:05
But I've just picked out a very very short little video for you just
38:09
to get a flavor of Dr Amy Edmondson, the pioneer of psychological safety.
38:15
We'll talk a little bit more about it afterwards. I heard Lionel Richie tell
38:21
a fantastic story. He is a young performer, was crippled by stage fright,
38:27
crippling stage fright, and yet look at him today, you know,
38:32
this remarkable performer. And he says, the difference between the hero and the
38:37
coward is not the presence or absence of fear. He says, the difference
38:42
is they both feel fear. The difference is one steps forward and the other
38:45
steps back. It's exactly right. It's exactly right. You know. I
38:49
think I often say that psychological safety and encourage or two haves in the same
38:54
coin. It's a psychological safety. Is that belief that when I take a
39:00
risk around here, it will prove failal but I still have to take the
39:05
risk, and that's where the courage comes in. So we have to be
39:13
psychologically safe in order to challenge the narrative, to question, or even to
39:19
form a different opinion. But that's obviously not what's happening. So let me
39:22
take you to a McKinsey article what is psychological safety? They describe psychological safety
39:30
as the absence of interpersonal fear. Feeling psychologically safe allows people to perform their
39:36
best at home, school, and work. And this is all based on
39:39
something called the Maslow's hierarchical needs. So you can see there there are five
39:45
hierarchical needs. There's physiological needs, which is air, food, drink,
39:50
shelter, clothing, warmth, sex, and sleep. And then you've got
39:52
safety needs. So people need order in their life, predictability and strives and
39:59
of course momency is complete chaos. They need love and belongingness needs. That's
40:06
human emotions, interpersonal relationships. Esteem needs are the fourth level, and self
40:12
actualization, so that's referring to a person's potential. And there's a little pyramid
40:16
diagram to show you this hierarchical need system. And I just want to highlight
40:23
the safety and security because we're hearing the word safety and security, peace and
40:28
security all the time. And it says health, employment, prosperity, family
40:34
and social ability. Now, in my opinion, we have become socially disabled
40:39
on purpose. So the whole intention is to disable people. But you know,
40:45
psychological safety is a bigger gender. So it's the words that I want
40:49
you to listen out for. Even the World Economic Forum have their fingers in
40:52
the pots of psychological safety. They say we have a shared belief that team
41:00
members can feel safe to take chances without being marginalized and punished. Well,
41:05
that doesn't seem to be happening, does it. Many doctors and many experts
41:08
are being punished for doing exactly that, speaking out. If we just go
41:14
back to that, WEF slide very quickly. It also says that it is
41:19
to enable employers to ask employees, to ask questions, to make mistakes,
41:23
to address difficult topics whilst feeling valued and connected. It's time to build trust.
41:30
Here we go with the rebuilding trust and respect. But it's not just
41:36
the WEF, it's their home office. So I'll just refer you to this
41:40
psychological safety for researchers and they're using the stress bucket. And perhaps I'll maybe
41:45
do a no smoke with Brian about alostatic stress and alostatic load and how important
41:53
stresses and how dangerous and how harmful stress is on the body. But psychological
41:59
safety literally is everywhere, including of course our very own NHS. So NHS
42:04
providers psychological safety and why it matters. And the reason that I brought up
42:08
psychological safety this week is because I heard the buzzwords at the MHRA board meeting.
42:15
And my question to everyone talking psychological safety is when does psychological safety have
42:22
a stop sign where people are being discriminated against for trying to speak out,
42:30
trying to challenge the narrative. So watch out for the words psychological safety.
42:37
That's good question. Thank you Debbie for that. Now let's come on to
42:39
the issue of war and well, good news David Cameron's out of the country
42:45
in Australia and Soul's grant shabs. But the bad news are the less good
42:50
news is that they're there to deepening the relationship between the UK and the U
42:54
and the Australia otherwise known as August. So here's what they were pushing out
43:01
on Twitter this morning. The Ministry of Defense August update it by working together,
43:07
the August Partnership is delivering what's are delivering, well, it's delivering a
43:13
new fleet to submarines. These are nuclear part submarines. They won't be carrying
43:15
nuclear weapons, at least not on day one, but they are nuclear part
43:19
submarines. And so part of this was the announcement that BA Systems design is
43:25
going to be used for these new submarines. They're going to be built in
43:30
Australia, but don't worry, seven thousand jobs will be protected in the UK.
43:35
What else are they saying here? With advanced capabilities from artificial intelligence,
43:38
autonomy and quantum technologies to undersee warfare and hypersamic capabilities, that deepening defense and
43:46
security cooperation in the end of Pacific. Because you've got to remember, the
43:50
focus on Russia is only in the short term. The long term focuses on
43:54
China, and we are going to go to war with China once we've dealt
43:58
with Russia. And if you understand the RNY in that statement, please don't
44:02
take it as me being supportive of the idea. But anyway, the Russian
44:07
narrative continues in the EU and yesterday, the lovely Ursul of Underlyon and Charle
44:14
Michelle. We're speaking together about Ukraine, about Russian grain, about defense,
44:20
about enlargement of the EU, and about Gaza. But defense was really the
44:24
main focus of the thing. And so here's Charlot Michelle. He was giving
44:31
the statement that they are more determined to bring more support to Ukraine than ever.
44:37
The question is how are they going to do that. Well, they
44:39
have decided that they need to start spending more and more money, of course,
44:46
but they've also proposed that a legal task force revisit a crucial provision and
44:52
this is known as Article forty one brackets too, which stops the EU Common
44:57
Budget from funding operations having or defense implications. So they're going to go along
45:02
and they're going to remove that provision anymore. And this is unprecedented and it
45:07
basically gives the European Union, not the member states, but at EU level
45:13
for the first time the ability to buy and commission the purchase of weapons and
45:19
the commission the manufacturing of weapons. And this is a key part of European
45:25
Defense Union. But don't worry. In the meantime, here in the UK
45:30
Ukrainian pilots have been learning to fly F sixteen fighter jets by flying these things
45:35
with propellers, because that's going to teach you how to learn to fly at
45:38
F sixteen. Right. This is how the Royal Air Force was presenting it.
45:43
But the UK government has announced that ten pilots have received basic flying,
45:46
ground school and language training in the UK and will one day form the first
45:52
line of defense and protecting Ukraine skies from Putin's forces. They will now move
45:57
from flying these things to flying to advance jet training and it's going to be
46:02
the French that are going to provide that level of training and eventually, at
46:06
some point in the future they might get to fly some F sixteens. But
46:10
I'm just going to end this segment on defense with another bit of humor.
46:15
This is a little bit of video that the Ministry of Defense was pushing out
46:21
this morning. Just have a look at this. So for anybody that's just
46:52
listening and not watching the video, that was the Ministry of Defense telling us
46:57
that Russian exports of arms have fallen by fifty four percent, And of course
47:01
they've fallen because export because actually there's only one importer of Russian arms at the
47:07
moment, and that's Ukraine, isn't it. I'm sorry to be making a
47:10
joke of that, but I mean this whole video was a joke. Russia
47:15
is not. The implication is that because they're so tied up with the war
47:19
and they're giving you know, they're expanding so many weapons in Ukraine, that
47:22
they don't have anything to export anymore. Well, surely the key point here,
47:27
Ben is they're tied up with a war, winning a war. Yes,
47:30
indeed. But anyway, tell us about the data for the City of
47:35
Tomorrow. Data for the City of Tomorrow. I spoke about this report a
47:38
couple of weeks ago, and this is just to kind of tea up and
47:43
show you some continuity between what I was talking about before and what's been happening
47:46
this week, because the stars have been aligning in London for the just transition
47:53
to net zero technologies. This is probably the biggest industrial transition that's ever happened
47:59
in the Holy que in history, if these people get their way. We
48:02
talked about this report from the World Economic Forum. It sets out a roadmap
48:06
for implementing smart cities anywhere in the world. It was created a partnership with
48:10
these two organizations, the Business of Cities, which is a private sectors organization,
48:15
and Connected Places Catapult, which is a UK government entity, and this
48:22
week saw the Connected Place's Summit arrive in central London. Good morning, ladies
48:44
and gentlemen. Let me give a very warm welcome to the six hundred or
48:47
so people who are here in the rum at twenty two Bishops Gates as the
48:52
UK's innovation accelerator for Cities, transport and place leadership. Our mission is clear.
49:00
We connect people, places and businesses for a future of sustainable growth and
49:07
prosperity. Places that aren't connected don't get housing, don't get jobs, and
49:13
don't contribute to our column or twenty first century. What's so good about the
49:16
Catapult is it's innovation lead. So I'm delighted to be here and delighted to
49:22
be able to give small and major enterprises a little bit of a lift.
49:29
It's only by joining the dots the potential of our cities and regions will be
49:34
unlocked, and the Connected Places Catapults is the glue through which that happens.
49:40
I'm delighted that we and D and B are sponsoring the summit. It is
49:45
about connecting people, it is about meeting industry leaders. It is about meeting
49:50
technical experts. What I enjoy most about the summit is being able to connect
49:54
with people who have the same objectives and the same ambitions for their communities as
49:59
I have. For MI, I have to say it's been amazing being at
50:01
the Connected Place as Summit, and I'm really excited that we're announcing our partnership
50:06
with a Connected Place as Catapult to be looking at the Crown of State portfolio
50:08
and how we can bring innovation toward the new ways. The Connected Places summer
50:14
has been a wonderful moment to network and to share ideas. I think it
50:19
really marks a moment of setting out what we can do in the next five
50:22
years, what can be achieved in the next ten years, and how we
50:24
can get on with it. So that is a public private marketplace. That
50:37
is how a fascist system is built, how it's enabled. We've got a
50:40
bunch of extremely high profile establishment figures promoting this message like it's some kind of
50:46
organic transition that is just popping up out of nowhere. This is all centrally
50:52
planned. One of the people that we saw there was Chris stig Skidmore,
50:55
former UK Energy Minister. He said said outside of that film that there is
51:00
no going back, no future economy without a green economy. The work of
51:02
connective place in Cantapot is so integral. Businesses and industry is are raring to
51:07
go. They want that leadership position of net zero and to start to introduce
51:10
best practices and take pilots and put them into place nationally and globally. A
51:16
lot of local politicians there here you can see Marvin res Obez, the mayor
51:22
of Bristol. One of the challenges with a place and they love using this
51:24
word place. Everything's place based. It's all about place. The thing about
51:29
that is you should never underestimate the power of very small politics to get in
51:32
the way of very big delivery. You will have heard of Nimby's that's not
51:37
in my backyard for people who don't know what that is. But there is
51:39
a banana build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone. That's Marvin's view on things.
51:45
He wants to cut through all of that and get into big delivery, like
51:50
all of these people do. Who else do we have there? Sir John
51:52
Armitts cbe Chair of the National Infrastructure Commission. The next government will not have
51:57
any choice but to pull all of the leavers at their disposal. If we
52:00
want to increase UK productivity and that means increasing public investment in infrastructure, this
52:08
is absolutely on the top of the agenda for the next government. They've already
52:13
been told by these people. Who else do we have there? Andrew Ruffin,
52:17
who I spoke about before, is the chief executive of Plexel, which
52:22
is the US State Department MI six Rothschild family backed innovation facility based in the
52:30
Olympic Park in East London. He was there on a panel with Emma Frost,
52:34
chair of the UK Innovation Districts Group, and actually it turns out we
52:38
already have a bunch of these innovation districts that are going to be the hubs
52:42
for disseminating this technology all around the UK. There's eleven of them, from
52:45
Glasgow in the north to London in the south and a bunch of other places
52:51
in between. They talk about themselves as a peer network of UK innovation districts
52:55
and knowledge quarters. Better together we enable the delivery of and maximize the benefits
53:00
from innovation districts and knowledge quarters. They're all about pushing innovation out into the
53:06
country and if you remember Jim Bethel earlier talking about his remit is being innovation.
53:12
A lot of that stuff is coming from here and other people elsewhere in
53:15
the House of Lords, and we can see how all this stuff is connected.
53:19
Essentially, this is one organization pushing this forward. There might be some
53:22
different logos, but actually they're all interconnected via non exec positions and even just
53:28
dual roles that people play. So Emma Frost, who's the chair of the
53:31
UK Innovation Districts Group, is also a strategic advisor to the Business of Cities,
53:36
which is the organization that partnered with the World Economic Forum on that report.
53:39
So who's going to pay for all of this because it sounds quite expensive,
53:44
Well, it's going to be a public private partnership. Three CI,
53:47
which is another organization that we've already spoken about, which is absolutely in the
53:52
thick of this new Marketplace issued this report on the same day that the Connected
53:55
Places Catapult started. I said, it's been a busy week this week.
54:00
Whole bunch of things have happened. This report was issued from challenge to opportunity.
54:05
We've got to unlock a UK wide net zero investment dividend. Obviously,
54:08
this is going to payback to ask the taxpayer. There's no way that it
54:13
could possibly go wrong or all of the benefits go to the people investing from
54:16
overseas and also from a home here in the UK. This was launched by
54:22
this crowd in the House of Commons, obviously because these people have got access
54:27
to the halls of power, and there were three recommendations. They said that
54:30
we need active demonstrators, which is what the innovation hubs will be doing.
54:35
So they've got to move from theory to practice. We need demonstrators. These
54:38
are going to address the task forces challenges, starting with pilot projects to take
54:44
a place based approach, ensuring community buy in and tailoring financial models for a
54:49
just transition. That's another word they love, just transition. This needs to
54:52
be a national conversation. We've got to get the public involved with this.
54:57
They're obviously talking about sortition and other democratic innovations to make that possible, and
55:06
we need an enabling environment which actually sounds like the language the MHRA uses where
55:10
the regulator doesn't get in the way of them doing whatever the hell they want.
55:14
Essentially, that's what we're looking at here. And then just to finish
55:16
up, sorry, there's Ed Milliband looking awkward as he always does. This
55:22
was also coupled just by pure coincidence, I'm sure, with the annual CEO
55:28
summit held at Saint James's Palace for the Sustainable Markets Initiative, where the top
55:32
one hundred CEOs from the biggest companies get together to talk about climate and the
55:37
Chief Executive of the Sustainable Markets Initiative, Jennifer Jordan CEFI, said that these
55:42
people are delivering a private sector leadership and innovation to help drive this important transition
55:47
that is under way. They are control of trillions of assets under management.
55:52
The private sector is playing an outsized role to shift the global economy onto a
55:57
more sustainable trajectory. So everything is lining up just perfectly for these people to
56:01
put their plan into action. Now we've already talked about censorship and online safety
56:07
earlier in the program, but I just want to let everybody know that rest
56:10
assured. The regulators are at work, and they have been for the last
56:14
couple of years, but it's starting to build now. So the various regulators
56:19
in multiple countries absolutely increasingly desperately working to deal with online safety regulation legislation which
56:25
is popping up everywhere, and in the UK, of course, there's the
56:30
UK, there's the Online Safety Act, as everybody knows. In the European
56:32
Union there's a Digital Services Act and their new Online Safety Acts in Ireland and
56:37
Australia and Singapore and Sri Lanka a bunch of other countries. And of course
56:43
they want to build this global information space which is basically conducive to Western narratives
56:50
and the rules based international order. So let's just bring a little bit of
56:53
text on here. Membership of the Global Online Safety Regulators Network has opened to
56:58
regulators with le legislated online safety functions who meet criteria on independence from political commercial
57:04
interference and are committed to upholding human rights, democracy and the rule of law.
57:08
So I mean everybody should be absolutely comfortable with that. Ben it goes
57:12
on. Well, first of all, they've got three stages in this.
57:15
First of all preparation, that's pretty much of the stage we're out at the
57:19
moment. Then they're going to consolidate this all in the one uber regulator,
57:23
and then they're going to grow from there. And so we've got much more
57:29
to say on this, but it is just this international network, which of
57:34
course isn't global at all. It's only Western and its outlook continues to build.
57:39
Now we're going to end then on a little bit of health news.
57:43
First of all, I just wanted to give everybody a bit of a laugh
57:45
because the UK government has managed to track down six horsewarming medicines packages which have
57:52
been seized. This is a package containing horse medicines was identified by a career
57:57
company based at a depot in East middle As Airport. They said the package
58:01
arrived from the USA continue medicine destined for residential address in Reading. The medicine
58:07
was detained and subsequently seized band inspector from the VMD that's the Veterinary Medicine's Directorate.
58:13
Of course, what are we talking about here ivermectin. They don't want
58:15
it coming into the country under any circumstances and so on. And just finally
58:22
on this Gordon the Office of Gordon Bryan and Gordon and Sarah Brown sorry have
58:28
issued a joint letter to the leaders of World Health Organization member states calling for
58:32
an urgent agreement on pandemic accords. So they're getting concerned that this deal is
58:37
not getting done right, it's just not getting done. There's too much pushback,
58:42
and so he has written to them in an effort to get them give
58:45
them the confidence to move ahead. And frankly, this is the most unbelievable
58:51
bit of bad grammar and spelling mistakes and no spaces between words. They they're
58:57
clearly desperate to get designed as quickly as possible, not really paying too much
59:00
attention into hire it was put up. But there you go. And Debbie,
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we're going to end then with a little bit of video about Jenny Harris.
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Yeah, well I promised to show you this last week. We featured
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Professor John Bell at the Select Committee and we were talking that that select committee
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was actually attended by Jenny Harris. Now let me just paint a very quick
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picture for you. So Chris Green, who's the MP for Bolton West,
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at the previous Health Select Committee, asked Dame Jenny Harris about excess deaths,
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but she couldn't answer the question, so he tries to answer ask her again.
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Let's look at Chris Green asking the question again. Let's week on these
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Science and Technology Select Committee. You asked a question about the data around access
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deaths or excess deaths, and you're quite cautious about supporting the release of that
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data, but you said you look into it, have you looked into it.
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I'm reaching for my piece of paper. Let's listen to the answer.
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But I think an important point as well is there are very large data sets
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on things like open Safely as well, where vaccine mortality has been looked at
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and it's actually shown protective effects for when it's actually restricted to non COVID mortality.
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So if you like, if you're looking at people who have not had
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COVID but have had a vaccine, actually there is no increased risk. So
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this is stepping right away from some of those risks. And if you just
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look generally, if you look at countries which have had a higher vaccine update,
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they have lower excess or cause mortality. That's quite generalis But I think
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the key point here is we have looked. We don't routinely share. We
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will look. We've got there is a commercial sensitivity element around this, and
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we will answer that question very soon in full commercial sensitivity. A yes.
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And also the claim that people that countries that had higher vaccine uptick had lower
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excess mortality lower than what I've just been looking at the Office for National Statistics
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mortality statistics over the last few days and looking at how the change and how
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we measure what is considered excess mortality has managed to make the number of deaths
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fall consistently below which is no longer a five year average. Of course,
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they're new measurement level, so in my opinion, my personal opinion, those
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figures are now fiddled, and we can no longer get any kind of serious
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assessment on whether we have excess mortality or not. So for her to sit
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there and say, well, countries that had more vaccination had lower excess mortality,
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I would like to know exactly what she means by that and exactly how
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she is making that statement or what evidence she's using to base that statement from.
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But anyway, we will leave it there for today. Thank you very
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much to Debbie and to Jackie Duvoi for joining us today. Thank you,
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Ben. We'll be back for some extra in a couple of minutes. Cheryl
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Granger will be joining us. But otherwise, have a great weekend and we'll
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see you Monday.