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Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what.
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Speaker 3: I'm someone who's already got the dog carrier ready to go.
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Speaker 3: I'll be flying Fergia now that they'll allow my little
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Speaker 3: Hendrix on the plane. Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming off the show tonight. The modeling scam
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Speaker 3: behind Labour's climate risk report revealed that they've already made
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Speaker 3: up their mind. There's no real consultation here, so it's
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Speaker 3: now up to the opposition to end this whole net
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Speaker 3: zero madness. More MPs today, the jumping ship with Andrew Hasty,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's diplomacy ships run aground yet again. Another
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Speaker 3: blunder today with a major defense deal with P and
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Speaker 3: G left unsigned. First Banawatu, now P ANDNG. So what's
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Speaker 3: a play here? What's that mean in terms of China's tactics?
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Speaker 3: Reg Sheridan. A little later text exchange is to release
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Speaker 3: today by police between the man accused of murdering Charlie
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Speaker 3: Kirk and his roommate lover as prosecutors pushed for the
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Speaker 3: death penalty in court James Morrow, with the latest staying
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Speaker 3: in the United States too. That astonishing exchange between ABC
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Speaker 3: journalist John Lyons and President Trump as he bought at
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Speaker 3: Air Force wine on his way to the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 3: The ABC's got form on Trump. This is not a
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Speaker 3: good sign ahead of any meeting with Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 4: Where are you from?
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Speaker 5: I'm from the Australian Broadcasting and Paul Corn and provide.
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Speaker 6: The Australians you're hurting Australia.
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Speaker 3: In my opinion, you.
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Speaker 5: Are hurting Australia very much right now.
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Speaker 3: I also want to get into electric cars really die
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Speaker 3: warnings today that they are not safe if they're made
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Speaker 3: in China in a security sense for Australians to drive.
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Speaker 3: But first, if the armageddon dubin gloom of the government's
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Speaker 3: climate and forecasts weren't bad enough. Now we learn that
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Speaker 3: the government's only modeled one emissions target in the run
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Speaker 3: up to the announcement that should have been made months
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Speaker 3: before the May election. Already we know that the Albanezi
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Speaker 3: government is not going to meet its existing emissions reduction
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Speaker 3: targets for twenty thirty and soon we anticipate this week
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Speaker 3: the Government's going to push all of that to one
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Speaker 3: side and announce new and much higher targets. For twenty
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Speaker 3: thirty five. Yet the Australian newspaper reports this morning that
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Speaker 3: one target was in fact modeled only one, not a
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Speaker 3: range of numbers that you'd expect in any serious government numbers,
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Speaker 3: and that says to me that they're not listening to
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Speaker 3: the experts or anyone else that will be impacted by
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Speaker 3: the investigation of options, but modely only one number. Also
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Speaker 3: tells me the government has long made up its mind
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Speaker 3: on what the target will be, and that the past
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Speaker 3: couple of months have been little more than a sham
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Speaker 3: consultation process. Indeed, numerous experts are now scoffing at Bowen's
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Speaker 3: figures on the supposed cost of climate inaction, Shane Oliver
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Speaker 3: saying that climate change would not necessarily have a big impact.
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Speaker 3: He says, and I quote, there are parts of the
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Speaker 3: world that survive in much colder conditions than we do,
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Speaker 3: and yet their GDP living standards quite high. It went
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Speaker 3: on to say, there are parts of the world that
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Speaker 3: are consistently a lot hotter than Australia, think of Singapore.
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Speaker 2: They survive.
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Speaker 3: So don't believe the government when it tells you to panic,
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Speaker 3: and don't believe the government when it tells you that
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Speaker 3: any particular action will save the planet. We are only
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Speaker 3: one percent of the problem, and rather than de industrialized
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Speaker 3: like labor wants us to do, the rest of the
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Speaker 3: world is scaling up only using gas and nuclear that
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Speaker 3: we have caused banned in this country now we export it,
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Speaker 3: or we all but banned here at home. Is it
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Speaker 3: any wonder that good men like Andrew Hasty are prepared
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Speaker 3: to lose his seat in the Parliament over a fight
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Speaker 3: he says, that's fundamental to our country's future.
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Speaker 7: If Susan Lee, though, supports net zero by twenty fifty,
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Speaker 7: where does that leave you?
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Speaker 8: That leaves me that a job.
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Speaker 9: I've mailed my colors to the mask Gary like, if
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Speaker 9: I go over with the tide in two and a
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Speaker 9: half years, that's great. My primary mission in politics is
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Speaker 9: to build a stronger, more secure, more competitive Australia. Energy
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Speaker 9: security is a vital input to that.
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Speaker 3: And despite saying today the Hasty thinks he's in the minority,
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Speaker 3: most of.
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Speaker 7: My colleagues in fact don't support my position. So I'm
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Speaker 7: in the minority here. I mean, if you pulled out
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Speaker 7: a spreadsheet, spreadsheet, Pete, you'd find that a lot of
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Speaker 7: people don't support my energy position. So I am in
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Speaker 7: the minority here and I know.
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Speaker 3: That I think he's underestimating his influence because more colleagues
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Speaker 3: today have judged Ship to join him, meaning there's a
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Speaker 3: recting on the way for the Liberal Party and they're
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Speaker 3: supporters who are walking away. Well, they say it can't
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Speaker 3: come soon enough.
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Speaker 2: Right now of P and G, where the.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister's diplomacy ship, as I said again run aground
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Speaker 3: last week and already announced defense and investment deal with
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Speaker 3: Vanawatu fell through the last minute because China yanked the
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Speaker 3: chain of local leaders.
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Speaker 10: I had to allow the Nagamel agreement to go to
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Speaker 10: different stages within the College and Partners, and some of
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Speaker 10: my ministers and my mbs they feel that it requires
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Speaker 10: more discussions to particularly on some of the specific workings
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Speaker 10: in the India agreement.
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Speaker 3: And today but to the same stalled diplomatic outcome with
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Speaker 3: our nearest neighbor, as Prime Minister Alban Easy did his
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Speaker 3: best to blame it on P and G politicians out
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Speaker 3: celebrating in their electorates.
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Speaker 11: They all love celebrating the thing. They all went to
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Speaker 11: their respective homelands and so they didn't have korum at
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Speaker 11: the cabinet meeting, and that's understandable. This is about celebrating fifty.
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Speaker 12: You're not worried about it, the treaties, on the treaty
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Speaker 12: or crackn not at all.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Prime Minster Marape is very supportive.
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Speaker 3: No, mate, you can't pull them all over my eyes.
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Speaker 3: You've arrived there, you've not done the homework and now
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Speaker 3: you are madly scrambling. The reality here is that an
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Speaker 3: Anza style deal with P and G that would have
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Speaker 3: prevented our former colony doing defense deals with anyone else
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Speaker 3: has like the van Awatu bid, also fallen through today,
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Speaker 3: at least to the press conference Albanezy it is counterpark
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Speaker 3: PM Marape. Well, they did their best to frame the
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Speaker 3: setback as only temporary.
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Speaker 11: Well, this is about us, the processes of their cabinet
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Speaker 11: that we respect.
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Speaker 6: It's been a busy week this week.
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Speaker 11: Monday, the cabinet members were in various parts of Papua
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Speaker 11: in ne Guinea. That is perfectly understandable.
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Speaker 13: Even if there was no rugby league team in NRL,
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Speaker 13: this treaty would still have been sign today. This has
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Speaker 13: nothing whatsoever to do with the rugby linqu team. This
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Speaker 13: in my national interests as I said at the fastest, quickest,
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Speaker 13: earliest to build up my defense force.
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Speaker 3: Again, the suspicion here is Chinese influenced. Buy this from
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Speaker 3: a supposed friend with which the government sists that relations
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Speaker 3: have been normalized now in fairtas to the PM, the
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Speaker 3: Obedizi government has been very active in the Pacific and
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Speaker 3: this is an area that was previously neglected, particularly under
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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison. The problem is wants to turn the Pacific
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Speaker 3: into a Chinese lake and is completely pragmatic about how
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Speaker 3: they make that happen. If local leaders have a prep project, well,
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Speaker 3: China will fund that, regardless of any long term benefit.
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Speaker 3: And in many countries in our region, the line between
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Speaker 3: what's government money from China and what can then be
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Speaker 3: pocketed by an MP personally, that's a pretty gray one.
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Speaker 3: This is where the people of the Pacific need to
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Speaker 3: know that only Australia has their best interest at heart
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Speaker 3: and stands ready to help them because helping them is
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Speaker 3: also in our own best interest. There are many parts
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Speaker 3: of the world where our cloud's pretty limited, but we
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Speaker 3: are the superpower of the Pacific and our allies are.
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Speaker 2: Expecting us to act like one.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 3: This is the endless junket for the Prime Minister. He'll
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Speaker 3: head off soon, of course, to the United States and
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Speaker 3: potentially a meeting with President Trump. But we haven't got
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Speaker 3: much to chaw for it at the moment. Let's sad
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Speaker 3: to Cameron Ow for the headlines Sky Is political reporter.
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Speaker 2: Camerd Good evening.
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Speaker 5: The Government will imminently release its twenty thirty five emissions
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Speaker 5: reduction target.
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Speaker 9: The target has to be two things.
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Speaker 5: It's not on either.
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Speaker 8: All has to be ambitious and achievable.
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Speaker 6: It has to be just as precise on the cost
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Speaker 6: to the Australian family.
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Speaker 5: Satisfaction is in short supply. Climate activists targeting the office
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Speaker 5: of Assistant Climate Minister Josh Wilson BHP will slash seven
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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty coal jobs, blaming the level of royalties
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Speaker 5: charged by the Queensland Government.
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Speaker 12: These are necessary decisions in the face of the Queensland
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Speaker 12: Government's unsustainable coal royalties and market conditions. The simple fact
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Speaker 12: is the Queensland coal industry is approaching a crisis point.
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Speaker 1: I think that is un Australian. I think they should
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Speaker 1: keep investing.
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Speaker 11: They have made billions of dollars from the resource is
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Speaker 11: owned by Queensland taxpayers and Queenslanders we know that.
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Speaker 14: This is a difficult day for hundreds of workers and
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Speaker 14: their families.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, I want to go back to that climate
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Speaker 3: report that was out on Monday.
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Speaker 2: This is the Risk Report.
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Speaker 3: The chief economists of AMP Shade Oliver declaring that with
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Speaker 3: regards to property values, which is mentioned in the report,
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Speaker 3: the numbers there are quote a gross exaggeration. Likewise, insurance
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Speaker 3: counsel who are often cited in the report going public
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Speaker 3: today to point out that little attention has been given
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Speaker 3: to the fact that mitigation will minimize much of the
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Speaker 3: doom and gloom that the report predicts. And we also
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Speaker 3: have due at Lansburg admitting that mitigation so limiting the
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Speaker 3: impact of climate change was not even within the scope
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Speaker 3: of this report.
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Speaker 8: This report really it doesn't provide any useful information from
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Speaker 8: a cost benefit point of view about whether we should
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Speaker 8: cut the missions by or to zero.
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Speaker 15: And now, as I said, the report was as guiding
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Speaker 15: adaptation and looking at scenarios for what Australia may look
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Speaker 15: like and what some of the impacts would be. It
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Speaker 15: was mitigation was out of scope for the report.
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Speaker 3: Now to put it into some context. That's like saying
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Speaker 3: that everyone's going to die early in Australia because we
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Speaker 3: haven't taken out the things that we might do to
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Speaker 3: save them, like medication, like hospitals, like GP visits and healthcare.
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Speaker 3: This is what we're doing here. This is a report
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Speaker 3: to say here's the complex, terrible crisis of climate change,
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Speaker 3: without dealing with any of the things we might do
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Speaker 3: as a nation to mitigate them. See, this is a
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Speaker 3: stitch up, gentlemen. Now, Sky News senior reporter Carol the
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Speaker 3: Marcus and National Affair editor down the Telegraph, Sky host
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Speaker 3: James Morrow so much in this report. James, at best
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Speaker 3: selective with the facts. At worse, it's a very orchestrated
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Speaker 3: attempt to bury the truth about all these supposed armageddon
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Speaker 3: sort of climate we were to hit within the future.
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Speaker 3: Now this has unraveled fast. This is Wednesday night. Is
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Speaker 3: the report was only dropped out there on Monday. And
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen, I mean, how rat cunning is he to
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Speaker 3: build a report around the modeling of only one target number.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so, I mean we know it's a stitch up.
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Speaker 4: But the great thing about Australia is that we still
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Speaker 4: have a free press here, and people like you and
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Speaker 4: the journalists and analysts I've had look at this as
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Speaker 4: the Daily Telegraph have all pointed out what you've just said,
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Speaker 4: This thing is a stitch up. The whole idea behind
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Speaker 4: this report was, as you say, to paint a doom
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Speaker 4: and gloom scenario so that tomorrow or Friday or whatever
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Speaker 4: it is, we get the number, the big twenty thirty
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Speaker 4: five target number. You know, we say, oh, well, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't care what it costs. If we don't have
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Speaker 4: all those terrible things are going to happen to that report.
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Speaker 4: But you know, when the report dropped, Peter, I thought
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Speaker 4: to myself, gosh, you know, the insurance companies are gonna
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Speaker 4: love this is a great ex use to jack up,
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Speaker 4: you know, fees and previous But then what you just
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Speaker 4: said there about the insurance companies that I found absolutely fascinating. Look,
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Speaker 4: we even had Tony Wood at the Graftid Institute say
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Speaker 4: that you can't make predictions as far out, you're just
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Speaker 4: making it up as you go along. Essentially, no one
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Speaker 4: can take this report seriously. This was an expensive exercise.
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Speaker 4: I think it's about twenty nine million dollars to pull
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Speaker 4: this together, costs a fortune, doesn't tell us anything. And
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Speaker 4: as the lady just said to Matt canevant of that hearing,
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Speaker 4: this thing doesn't even look at what you might do.
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Speaker 4: You know, like you saying, well, if we keep driving
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Speaker 4: towards that wall, we're going to hit a brick wall.
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Speaker 4: But it doesn't say, well, hey, maybe we should put
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Speaker 4: tapping the brakes in the scope of that investigation. It's
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Speaker 4: just shocking. It's just shocking.
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Speaker 3: Caroline Susan Lasay I got a big space at lunchtime
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne outlining her economic agenda, and she rightly took
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Speaker 3: aim at our growing dependent on the government.
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Speaker 16: Have listened my dependency, I mean the growing expectation that
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Speaker 16: government will provide for every need and solve every problem
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Speaker 16: by spending more. We believe government support should be a
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Speaker 16: safety net, not a hammock. That means, for example, we
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Speaker 16: should not be paying benefits to high income households.
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Speaker 3: Now, I did a ring around of a number of
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Speaker 3: people who were in the room. It was a good
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Speaker 3: speech and I think she did very well. I'm told
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Speaker 3: in the Q and A. But I think she's got
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Speaker 3: herself now into the position on det and zero that
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Speaker 3: until she resolves that question with her colleagues, I don't
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Speaker 3: think she's going to get a fair hearing on much
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Speaker 3: else in the media.
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Speaker 17: Not just a fair hearing in the media, but a
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Speaker 17: fair hearing among rank and file Liberal members who want
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Speaker 17: to see the party come out strongly on this issue.
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Speaker 17: I mean, she can give lovely speeches and I'm sure
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Speaker 17: it was great and I'm sure it was well received.
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Speaker 17: But until the Liberal Party can make decision and it's
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Speaker 17: been some time now about what their energy policy will be,
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Speaker 17: and make a strong decision against net zero, which is
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Speaker 17: what is driving a lot of people away, this fear
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Speaker 17: to say anything against net zero. We've seen that in
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Speaker 17: the recent poll which showed the primary vote for the
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Speaker 17: party is at a record low. Until that can happen,
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Speaker 17: you know, give as many good speeches as you want,
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Speaker 17: you're still going to be losing people from the party
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Speaker 17: and you're not going to be convincing anyone why they
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Speaker 17: should vote for the coalition instead of Labor. You know,
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Speaker 17: at the end of the day, you're not going to
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Speaker 17: put off a frontbench revolt, which is now seeming increasingly likely.
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Speaker 17: Not just Andrew Hasey, but more and more people are
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Speaker 17: coming out and speaking about how that's going to be
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Speaker 17: an exodus if they don't move away from net zero.
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Speaker 17: So at the end of the day, Peter, they've got
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Speaker 17: to make up their mind. The Liberals have to stopping
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Speaker 17: scared of their own shadow when it comes to this issue,
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Speaker 17: not just because they want to have a chance at
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Speaker 17: future elections, because they want to keep the Liberal Party
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Speaker 17: viable as a political party.
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Speaker 3: And it feels like to me, James, that they're spooked
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Speaker 3: of being made fun of by the Treasurer. But I
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Speaker 3: don't think it does him any good to run out
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Speaker 3: a tax like this. I mean, I think the pretty
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Speaker 3: juvenile here he is today.
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Speaker 14: The Liberal Party is run now by this weird collection
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Speaker 14: of cookers and crackpots. And nowhere is that more obvious
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Speaker 14: than when it comes to net zero.
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Speaker 3: And look despites Andrew Hasty saying this morning with Pete Stefanovic.
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Speaker 3: Look I think I'm in the minority. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that's right. You've got John o'dunneham, former Shadow of Environment
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Speaker 3: minister in cabinet speaking out. You've got Tony passing out
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Speaker 3: there today. You've got Sarah Henderson, You've got a whole
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Speaker 3: lot more and we know where the base is because
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Speaker 3: you know, Caroline makes a point on Monday it was
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Speaker 3: a twenty seven percent primary vote.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they are on the bones.
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Speaker 3: Of their backside with the last few conservatives left. If
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Speaker 3: they don't have a clear position on a net zero
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Speaker 3: and it's a walk away position in my view, and
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Speaker 3: that twenty seven is going to go lower.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's right, it is going to go lower.
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Speaker 4: I actually, frankly don't know that we've hit rock bottom
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Speaker 4: yet on any of this. And the longer that this
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Speaker 4: drags out in terms of in terms of you know,
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Speaker 4: what are they going to do about this? They don't
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Speaker 4: have a firm piece of ground to stand on, you know,
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Speaker 4: they don't. There's nothing sort of conviction about this party.
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Speaker 4: And I think Susan Blaie's messaging today was fantastic around
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Speaker 4: you know, the economy and you know, welfare not being
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Speaker 4: a hammock and all of that. That's fantastic. But again
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Speaker 4: there's a credibility gap here, Peter, which is that this
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Speaker 4: party went to the last election clapping in basically every
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Speaker 4: single bit of spending labor proposed because they didn't want
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Speaker 4: to be seen as means, you know, cutting spending, and
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Speaker 4: it's the same thing with net zero. So I think
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Speaker 4: the net zero thing it's going to have to be
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Speaker 4: Yes a walk away position. But then the next big
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Speaker 4: thing for them is to take the people, the Australian people,
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Speaker 4: on a journey. But why they're doing it. It's going
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Speaker 4: to be one of those things a bit like the Voice,
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Speaker 4: you know, where everybody said, oh, well you know, that's
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Speaker 4: totally really well for Yes. And then with good education
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Speaker 4: around and a good messaging.
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Speaker 3: The James because they had a fight. When you go
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Speaker 3: back to twenty nineteen, Scott Morrison rolled over on After
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen with Scott Morrison rolled over ont and zero.
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Speaker 2: Look at the electoral.
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Speaker 3: Results since then, there's been an absolute peeling away of seats.
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Speaker 3: That's what the Moderates wanted to do. Sign up to
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Speaker 3: net zero or be Maniana. We'll come back with a vengeance. Well,
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Speaker 3: look at the scoreboard, I say to the moderates, look
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Speaker 3: at the scoreboard. If you think it's bad now to
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Speaker 3: your politics. In politics, it can always get worse. Put
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Speaker 3: your US hat on the moment. I want to go
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Speaker 3: over there today to that exchange, very interesting exchange between
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump him.
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Speaker 2: But we also know.
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Speaker 3: The protagonist ABC journalist who has a long long history,
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Speaker 3: John Lyons, have a listen.
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Speaker 7: He's appropriate President Trump that a president in offers should.
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Speaker 5: Be engaged in so much fits of activity.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm really not.
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Speaker 4: My kids are running the business and you know what
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Speaker 4: the activity. Where are you from? I'm from the Australian
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Speaker 4: broad cantholic of rage.
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Speaker 18: And Paul Corner provoke the Australias.
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Speaker 5: You're hurting Australia.
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Speaker 3: In my opinion, you.
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Speaker 19: Are hurting Australia very much right now.
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Speaker 1: But they want to get along with me.
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Speaker 19: You know your your leader is coming over to see
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Speaker 19: me very so I'm going to tell them about you.
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Speaker 4: You said a very bad talent.
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Speaker 7: Well ahead from.
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Speaker 3: And look after that slept down for the president there
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Speaker 3: James of course that the White House response account had
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Speaker 3: to cracket Lions calling him a fake news loser. This
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Speaker 3: is the same ABC of course for Corners program. But
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Speaker 3: I think it still ows Trump and apology after all
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Speaker 3: of that Russian collusion reporting name. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 3: think any of this helps our prime minister and our
20:05
Speaker 3: country should they ever meet face to face.
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Speaker 2: But where's the stories.
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Speaker 3: About Biden and his son and dodgy laptops that was
20:14
Speaker 3: all buried by the media.
20:15
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for that from John Lyons.
20:20
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly right. I mean, no one ever asked
20:23
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, how much Richard have you gotten since you've
20:26
Speaker 4: been Vice president and then president. That's a pretty good question,
20:30
Speaker 4: you know, given the salary that those officers are. But
20:33
Speaker 4: beyond that, though, the real tell the real key to this, Peter,
20:36
Speaker 4: was when John Lyons identified himself as being from four corners.
20:41
Speaker 4: That tells you that this is for a much bigger
20:43
Speaker 4: stitch up. They're going to rip breeze whatever Russia gates shop.
20:46
Speaker 4: All that stuff still on their website by the way, Peter,
20:49
Speaker 4: you know they never apologize for any of the stuff.
20:52
Speaker 4: Remember the fourth part I think it was thig and
20:55
Speaker 4: then the Russia Are you listening podcasts that they did.
20:58
Speaker 4: These guys participated gladly and gleefully in the hoax about
21:03
Speaker 4: and completely disproven hoax by the way, about Donald Trump
21:06
Speaker 4: being some sort of Russian agent. And it's so clear
21:09
Speaker 4: when he says four quarters, well, we know there's a
21:11
Speaker 4: John Lynes four quarters coming. There's going to be some
21:14
Speaker 4: sort of stitch up about Donald Trump and crypto and
21:17
Speaker 4: all this sort of thing. I'm not saying these aren't
21:18
Speaker 4: legitimate questions to be asked. Fine, but with all the
21:22
Speaker 4: st John lives could have asked, this is not this
21:26
Speaker 4: is what he chose today. Come on.
21:30
Speaker 2: And look.
21:30
Speaker 3: Yeah again, I think they are all legitimate questions, but
21:33
Speaker 3: it just shows how to out of touch the ABC
21:35
Speaker 3: is with this Australian constituency. I mean, we are drowning
21:38
Speaker 3: in real issues here. I love them to go through
21:41
Speaker 3: the climate to catastrophe and the you know, basically the
21:44
Speaker 3: fake modeling here in Australia and a whole lot of
21:47
Speaker 3: other things plenty to come out of the election as well.
21:49
Speaker 3: That's where their focus should be. This looks like they're
21:52
Speaker 3: trying to become relevant in the United States because they're
21:55
Speaker 3: no longer relevant in this country. That's a concern. Here's
21:59
Speaker 3: something they can be looking at. Caroline, what about this
22:01
Speaker 3: video I've said in a Fatima payment surface today in
22:06
Speaker 3: relation to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
22:08
Speaker 17: Have a look, Yeah, Charlie Kirk got shot and he's
22:14
Speaker 17: IRAP whatever you want IRIP.
22:17
Speaker 2: To stand for. Some people will say it's not peace.
22:21
Speaker 2: So fill in the blanks. People fill in the blanks.
22:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course this has got out in media. She
22:30
Speaker 3: has issued a statement. She says she extends her sympathies
22:33
Speaker 3: to Charlie Kirk's young family, but she also says she
22:37
Speaker 3: condemns hate speech and reserves the right to speak out
22:39
Speaker 3: against it. Well, come on, Caroline, what's your reaction to that.
22:43
Speaker 17: I'm sickened, I'm appalled, but I can't say I'm very surprised, Peter.
22:48
Speaker 17: I mean, this is the tolerant, compassionate left for you
22:51
Speaker 17: in a nutshell. And you know what the hypocrisy is here.
22:54
Speaker 17: It was only last month that a man pleaded guilty
22:58
Speaker 17: in court to sending a death threat to Fatima Payment
23:02
Speaker 17: in which he allegedly said that she had a bullet
23:06
Speaker 17: with her name on it, and she gave an victim
23:08
Speaker 17: impact statement to the court about that, saying that it
23:12
Speaker 17: had had a significant impact on her physical, emotional and
23:16
Speaker 17: mental health. And yet here she is mocking a man
23:20
Speaker 17: whose life was so cruelly and disgustingly taken from him,
23:25
Speaker 17: leaving behind a widow and two young children. Except in
23:29
Speaker 17: Charlie Kirk's case, the person actually followed through with a threat.
23:34
Speaker 17: It is appalling she is dancing on his grave by
23:38
Speaker 17: doing this, and she put it on TikTok, so of
23:41
Speaker 17: course it.
23:42
Speaker 2: Was going to get out.
23:43
Speaker 17: She has hundred thousand followers, and you know it would.
23:47
Speaker 3: You and I both know if Charlie Kirk was Islamic
23:52
Speaker 3: not Christian, she'd be claiming and others would be claiming
23:55
Speaker 3: Islamophobia if someone had made comments like that.
23:58
Speaker 2: But yet again, he's a.
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Speaker 3: Christian or in your cast, Caroline, jee's a fair game
24:03
Speaker 3: with some just going back to this issue out of
24:06
Speaker 3: the US, James, Yes, the prosecutors were in court today.
24:09
Speaker 3: They're pushing for the death penalty. Has been formally charged
24:13
Speaker 3: with a killing Charlie Kirk. But what I thought was
24:16
Speaker 3: very interesting the release of those text exchanges between the
24:19
Speaker 3: alleged killer and his roommate lover where he is said
24:24
Speaker 3: to have confessed to shooting Kirk.
24:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, the transcripts of these messages between the two are
24:38
Speaker 4: absolutely fascinated to me, and I feel like we're going
24:40
Speaker 4: to learn more about these are going down the track
24:44
Speaker 4: because to me, and this is just a theory, and
24:47
Speaker 4: I know this is all before the courts. To me,
24:49
Speaker 4: this feels like something that was you know, almost replanned.
24:53
Speaker 4: These messages between them, because they don't feel like messages
24:56
Speaker 4: that people, particularly young people, will be writing in the
24:59
Speaker 4: heat of the moment. I mean when you text with
25:00
Speaker 4: young people, you know what it's like. I think there's
25:03
Speaker 4: more to come out in this story and this investigation
25:06
Speaker 4: and the other thing that's going to be fascinating. They
25:09
Speaker 4: are looking at a lot of people, a lot of
25:10
Speaker 4: accounts on this service called discord that appeared to possibly
25:14
Speaker 4: have prior knowledge, which deleted themselves themselves right after the
25:19
Speaker 4: shooting took place. So I think there's a lot more
25:22
Speaker 4: peter to run in this case. I look forward to
25:26
Speaker 4: finding out more and seeing everybody involved with this horror
25:31
Speaker 4: brought to justice.
25:34
Speaker 2: Look, I couldn't agree more, James.
25:35
Speaker 3: And of course, because the shooter, the alleged shooter, is
25:37
Speaker 3: alive and we'll front of court, we'll actually have a
25:41
Speaker 3: window into a lot more of this detail. Because of course,
25:44
Speaker 3: with the attempt on the President's life, because the man
25:48
Speaker 3: alleged to have shot him was killed. At the time,
25:51
Speaker 3: it was very hush hush, it basically disappeared. And I
25:55
Speaker 3: think out of that assassination attempt, the serious questions there
25:58
Speaker 3: that have gone unanswered. I'll leave it there. I'm back
26:01
Speaker 3: to this many times over. I assume let's got out
26:04
Speaker 3: of the UK when Donald Trump has arrived for his
26:06
Speaker 3: second state visit, an early one in his prior presidency,
26:10
Speaker 3: of course, hosted by the late Queen Elizabeth. This time
26:13
Speaker 3: the King is pulling out all stops with the pomp
26:16
Speaker 3: and ceremony that only Britain can deliver, and it's all
26:19
Speaker 3: done to try and sweeten a huge trade deal between
26:22
Speaker 3: the two nations. Joining us now from Windsor, the beautiful
26:25
Speaker 3: Windsor Sky News contributor News Corp European correspondent. So for Ellsworth, well, Sophie,
26:31
Speaker 3: welcome to the program. Protesters, well, of course we'd expect them.
26:34
Speaker 2: It's Donald Trump.
26:35
Speaker 3: They're already in Windsor and the President of the First
26:38
Speaker 3: Lady are there. They're staying the night at Windsor Castle.
26:41
Speaker 3: Some have said that's a snub to Donald Trump, but
26:44
Speaker 3: it's because, of course, you know, and I know Bucky
26:47
Speaker 3: and Pallace is being renovated quite substantially. We'll get to
26:51
Speaker 3: all the ins and outs of what this means for
26:53
Speaker 3: Kirs Starmer, because he's in the middle of the fight
26:56
Speaker 3: for his life. But given Donald Trump had a mum
26:59
Speaker 3: from Scotland. We know he loves all of this ceremony
27:03
Speaker 3: and of course the Brits are going to turn it on.
27:08
Speaker 19: They certainly are. Peter, the US President and Milania Trump,
27:12
Speaker 19: the First Lady, stayed in Regent's Path last night in
27:15
Speaker 19: central London with the US Ambassador to the UK. They're
27:20
Speaker 19: traveling to Windsor this morning. They'll arrive here around lunchtime.
27:24
Speaker 19: It's just after nine thirty or about nine thirty in
27:27
Speaker 19: the morning here. There's quite a buzz here, Peter. In Windsor,
27:30
Speaker 19: there's plenty of people around. There's flags up, the Union
27:34
Speaker 19: Jack flags, there's the American flags. There's an awful lot
27:37
Speaker 19: of media as you would expect, and huge security police everywhere. Peter,
27:43
Speaker 19: as we know, the President and First Lady will not
27:46
Speaker 19: be front facing to the public here. They will be
27:49
Speaker 19: kept behind barriers and away from the public under strict
27:54
Speaker 19: security arrangements here. So there's a lot of excitement here
27:57
Speaker 19: in the air, and he's due to a rife here
28:00
Speaker 19: in a couple of hours.
28:03
Speaker 3: I talked to me about Keir Starmer, because he would
28:06
Speaker 3: be desperate for a distraction from his domestic political woes.
28:11
Speaker 3: A migrant crisis, that huge rally on the weekend, the
28:16
Speaker 3: removal of his deputy, and of course this whole Peter Mandelsson.
28:23
Speaker 2: Fureral that's gone on.
28:24
Speaker 3: He was of course appointed by Starmer as ambassador to
28:28
Speaker 3: the United States. We would have expected him to be
28:31
Speaker 3: front and center during this visit. He has now been sacked.
28:34
Speaker 2: Of course, Peter.
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Speaker 19: To put it bluntly, it's been a horror a few
28:40
Speaker 19: weeks for the Keys Starmer. He lost his Deputy Prime Minister,
28:44
Speaker 19: Angela Rayner over at tax scandal. He had to sack
28:48
Speaker 19: the UK Ambassador to the US, Lord Peter Mandelsson, as
28:52
Speaker 19: you pointed out, with his as a result of his
28:55
Speaker 19: close relationship with the convicted pedophile Jeff Epstein, who he
29:01
Speaker 19: described as his best pal. He's had the migrant crisis here,
29:05
Speaker 19: the one in one out schemes failing miserably, and he
29:08
Speaker 19: also saw that massive protest in central London on the
29:13
Speaker 19: weekend against the migration issues here in the UK, where
29:17
Speaker 19: up to one hundred and fifty thousand people turned out
29:19
Speaker 19: who are very angry with the amount of illegal migrants
29:23
Speaker 19: arriving here in the UK. So it's been a shock
29:26
Speaker 19: in two weeks for him. And there's no doubt he
29:29
Speaker 19: will be hoping this is the distraction that he needs
29:32
Speaker 19: where he can focus on the US President being here,
29:35
Speaker 19: and he has a pretty good relationship with him, Peter,
29:38
Speaker 19: He's done quite a good job in managing the bilateral relations,
29:42
Speaker 19: so he'll be looking to impress the US President during
29:46
Speaker 19: his time here for the next couple of days.
29:51
Speaker 3: It's not rosy with the Tories either, because of course
29:54
Speaker 3: the conference is looming.
29:56
Speaker 2: The defection of.
29:57
Speaker 3: Course this week across to Reform of real tourist star
30:01
Speaker 3: and real pressure from everyone I'm speaking to. I'm kemmy
30:05
Speaker 3: Badnock's leadership. Some say she won't last till Christmas.
30:10
Speaker 19: She's in strife to Peter. They've had their first sitting
30:14
Speaker 19: Conservative MP, Danny Krueger, defector of Reform UK, this week.
30:19
Speaker 19: He basically said they're going nowhere and they're no chance
30:22
Speaker 19: at winning the next election. So he's tossed in the
30:26
Speaker 19: tower and announced that he's joining Reform. There's another MP here,
30:31
Speaker 19: Conservative MP who's done the same. We've also seen the
30:35
Speaker 19: former Culture Secretary of the Tories, Nadine Dorries. She's also
30:40
Speaker 19: announced that she's joining Reform UK, although she's not a
30:43
Speaker 19: sitting MP, so Kemmy Badenoch is really not having the
30:47
Speaker 19: cut through here in the British political landscape. And just
30:51
Speaker 19: on the radio this morning, Peter, some of the discussion
30:54
Speaker 19: was now it's labor versus reform. The Tories are out
30:58
Speaker 19: of the picture. But I'm not really landing a glove
31:02
Speaker 19: on Sakias Starma. However, Kimmy Badenok has really managed to
31:07
Speaker 19: push this point with Lord Mandelsson and question why he
31:12
Speaker 19: was put in this ambassador role. He's lost his job,
31:15
Speaker 19: but she's definitely struggling in that role.
31:17
Speaker 20: Peter.
31:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if either of them will be there
31:21
Speaker 3: by Christmas. I think Nigel Farage well, I don't know.
31:23
Speaker 3: I'd put money on either of the other two.
31:25
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.
31:26
Speaker 3: You've got a busy day ahead of you. Thank you, Sophie.
31:28
Speaker 3: Up next, how does the Albertezy plan to sugarcoat the
31:32
Speaker 3: awkward fact that he couldn't land a defense treaty with
31:35
Speaker 3: one of our close neighbors pan out. We'll talk to
31:37
Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan about the China implications here and the child
31:42
Speaker 3: Ed Kirk assassination. It's sparked a resurgence in Christianity with
31:47
Speaker 3: young people.
31:48
Speaker 2: That's also coming out.
31:53
Speaker 3: Coming out Victoria's crime crisis. Reports today that a thirteen
31:57
Speaker 3: year old allegedly responsible for ten home invasions and twenty
32:00
Speaker 3: five car thefts tells the magistrate that he's too young
32:04
Speaker 3: to know any better the first part of New Guineas
32:07
Speaker 3: Prime Minister James Murrapei has defended delaying a defense treaty
32:11
Speaker 3: with Australia, stressing it was a P and G initiative
32:14
Speaker 3: and that it had not been blocked by China. Now,
32:17
Speaker 3: for his part, Anthony Alberdez He's down play this setback,
32:20
Speaker 3: saying despite walking away with just a communicate, it's.
32:23
Speaker 2: Still very much on the table.
32:26
Speaker 3: There are real questions here about our diplomacy in the region.
32:30
Speaker 3: What's this all mean? I'm joined now someone will get
32:32
Speaker 3: a good stab it at all. Foreign Editor at The Australian,
32:35
Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan, if we were ever going to have influence anywhere,
32:39
Speaker 3: it would be P and G. And what strikes me
32:43
Speaker 3: as bizarre, Greg, You know we know the rhythm of
32:47
Speaker 3: P and G. We knew this big fifty year independence
32:51
Speaker 3: celebration was there in the diary, in the calendar, and
32:53
Speaker 3: there were events in Moresby around that. The fact that
32:58
Speaker 3: that's been used as some sort of excuse not to
33:00
Speaker 3: sign off this deal strikes me as a little bit convenient,
33:05
Speaker 3: and I fear like the Vaniha two one just the
33:08
Speaker 3: other day that fell over as well, there's a heavy
33:10
Speaker 3: hand of Beijing here.
33:11
Speaker 18: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you, and I
33:13
Speaker 18: think you're absolutely right. I mean, this is a tremendous
33:15
Speaker 18: humiliation for the Albanesi government. It's specific policy is just
33:19
Speaker 18: like it's defense policy. It announces things as done which
33:23
Speaker 18: never actually come into being. I'll tell you what. You
33:26
Speaker 18: can't do a security deal with Vanoir two, you can't
33:28
Speaker 18: do a security deal with Papua New Guinea, but you
33:30
Speaker 18: can solve Palestine. I mean, you can't bend portfolio to
33:34
Speaker 18: you will, but you can fix up Palestine.
33:38
Speaker 3: This was monumental incompetence in administratively.
33:43
Speaker 18: Administratively either you know, God bless how high commission I
33:47
Speaker 18: don't know them individually, but either just at the professional level,
33:51
Speaker 18: this was wildly incompetent. This is meant to be our
33:54
Speaker 18: core interest, the place in the world where we have
33:56
Speaker 18: the most influence in the world, and we managed to
33:59
Speaker 18: get our Prime minister and their prime minister, and no
34:02
Speaker 18: treaty to sign because all the PMNG cabinet ministers are.
34:07
Speaker 3: Often yeah, they can't get a caucus in cabinet.
34:09
Speaker 18: I think that's bizarre or more likely. Kurt Campbell, the
34:13
Speaker 18: former Deputy Secretary of State, said China will oppose Australia
34:16
Speaker 18: every step of the way, every initiative, especially things like
34:20
Speaker 18: defense treaties, which they hate. And they have a long
34:23
Speaker 18: history of stopping treaties which are agreed between governments and
34:27
Speaker 18: they then get to the individual politicians and stop the ratification.
34:32
Speaker 18: They did this famously with the nineteen ninety two Philippines
34:34
Speaker 18: based treaty with the Americans. And I, you know, I
34:38
Speaker 18: don't have evidence, but I would have the strongest suspicion
34:41
Speaker 18: of a Chinese hand here, in which case it may
34:44
Speaker 18: not be signed in two weeks. How Albanesi promises this,
34:47
Speaker 18: but he's promised so many other things. I'd hold the
34:50
Speaker 18: celebrations just yet.
34:51
Speaker 3: So I paid credits for the government at the top of
34:53
Speaker 3: the show for being I think more on the front
34:56
Speaker 3: foot about our region than perhaps the most immediate coalition was.
35:01
Speaker 3: But there are no results here, and if we're going
35:04
Speaker 3: to be influential anywhere. We should be influential in our region,
35:07
Speaker 3: and America is expecting us to deliver. We're not able
35:10
Speaker 3: to deliver. We're not delivering on much. We've made all
35:12
Speaker 3: these long finger commitments to defense spending to try and
35:16
Speaker 3: buy ourselves a meeting with Donald Trump again. People are
35:19
Speaker 3: asking what are we doing in terms of the detail.
35:22
Speaker 3: Where is that money in the budget? Is it real
35:26
Speaker 3: or is it way way off down? Pass the forward estimates?
35:30
Speaker 3: There are real questions about the government's strategic focus.
35:35
Speaker 18: Look, Peter, to be honest with you, this is a
35:37
Speaker 18: government of flim flam in strategic matters. All this fake
35:41
Speaker 18: money that they're talking about for defense and the PNG
35:45
Speaker 18: initiative are designed to impress Donald Trump before Alberaneze's appointment
35:49
Speaker 18: with him. But it's very embarrassing. Their best chance is
35:53
Speaker 18: that Donald Trump is not paying them blind bit of attention,
35:56
Speaker 18: which is quite likely. But you're absolutely right. This point
36:00
Speaker 18: cannot be stressed too much. PNNG is core national interest
36:04
Speaker 18: business to Australia. I would like Albanzi just to forget
36:08
Speaker 18: about global warming, forget about Palestine, leave the Middle East
36:11
Speaker 18: alone and just secure an outcome in Papua New Guinea.
36:16
Speaker 18: If he did that, that would be more of a
36:18
Speaker 18: contribution to Australia's national interest. But we can't even do that.
36:23
Speaker 18: We announce it and the government congratulates itself and then
36:26
Speaker 18: it doesn't land, and who knows if it will land,
36:29
Speaker 18: and if it is defeated, that's a tremendous victory for China.
36:33
Speaker 3: Cracking peace today from you in relation to net zero,
36:36
Speaker 3: and you make the very sober analysis of where the
36:41
Speaker 3: rest of the world is on net zero, and broadly
36:43
Speaker 3: they're walking away from it. You know, hard right wingers
36:47
Speaker 3: like Tony Blair is saying it nothing ends up. And
36:50
Speaker 3: you're calling on the coalition to take a position, to
36:55
Speaker 3: hold themselves together, to be a viable alternative to a
36:59
Speaker 3: government's flail around.
37:01
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to listen?
37:03
Speaker 18: Well, I don't know. I think both sides of the
37:05
Speaker 18: Coalition have to compromise a little bit. Net zero, as
37:08
Speaker 18: we know, it's a fraudulent concept, it's complete belonging. The
37:11
Speaker 18: Economist magazine, the house journal of Liberal Internationalism in August
37:15
Speaker 18: had a cover story saying it's never going to happen,
37:18
Speaker 18: let's stop talking about it. And you know, Trump has
37:21
Speaker 18: abandoned it. Britain is running away from it, the Europeans
37:24
Speaker 18: are running away from China, India, China not got the
37:28
Speaker 18: slightest interest in Russia, Indonesia, all the nations where remissions.
37:31
Speaker 2: Are booming, Why can't we just say that right.
37:33
Speaker 18: Well, there is an artificial roof of an agreement where
37:40
Speaker 18: people say they have a commitment to So one of
37:43
Speaker 18: the things the economist said was country's commitment to net
37:47
Speaker 18: zero look barely possible physically and completely unfeasible politically. In
37:53
Speaker 18: other words, you just can't get there from here, and
37:57
Speaker 18: it can't be done anyway. I would say the coalition
38:03
Speaker 18: they've got to demonstrate maturity on both sides of their
38:06
Speaker 18: internal debate. I mean, I admire Matt Canavan and Andrew Hasty
38:10
Speaker 18: and just enterprise, but the anti net zero folks have
38:14
Speaker 18: got to allow the pro net zero folks just a
38:17
Speaker 18: fig leaf of respectability. So I would suggest to them
38:21
Speaker 18: they take a position like we are going to decrease
38:24
Speaker 18: emissions and if the technology ever emerges which makes net
38:28
Speaker 18: zero possible i e.
38:29
Speaker 2: Bracket nuclear, yeah, nuclear.
38:31
Speaker 18: And cheaper renewables and so on, if that ever emerges,
38:37
Speaker 18: we're interested in that but we are going to prioritize
38:41
Speaker 18: affordable electricity and reliable electricity. Now the net zero folks
38:46
Speaker 18: can say, well, look we're doing the technology, and you know,
38:51
Speaker 18: Hasty and Canavan and the guys and gals can say, look,
38:55
Speaker 18: we've liberated you from this terrible I.
38:58
Speaker 3: Think the problem is the twenty five targets are twenty
39:00
Speaker 3: thirty five targets, and they'll be twenty forty targets that
39:03
Speaker 3: are all predicated on a destination of net zero in
39:06
Speaker 3: twenty fifty, and I think we have to completely jettison
39:08
Speaker 3: that to recast these numbers as achievable.
39:12
Speaker 2: If we're not going to get to.
39:13
Speaker 3: Twenty thirty, then we can't go harder and deeper and
39:16
Speaker 3: faster at twenty twenty thirty five because we're setting ourselves
39:19
Speaker 3: up to fail. I think the liberal parties should be saying,
39:21
Speaker 3: if the rest of the world and give a percentage
39:24
Speaker 3: of heavier bits sixty percent fifty percent, even if they
39:27
Speaker 3: move and are dr monstraubly shown to move, then we'll
39:31
Speaker 3: put it back on the table. But that's our threshold
39:33
Speaker 3: point until that happens.
39:35
Speaker 18: No Joy, oh, absolutely je. They have to They can't
39:38
Speaker 18: dodge this decision. They have to get off zero as
39:42
Speaker 18: a binding target. I don't mind it as some kind
39:45
Speaker 18: of aspiration. I mean, some people in the Liberal party
39:47
Speaker 18: think you shouldn't even you should never again. But maybe
39:50
Speaker 18: maybe repurpose the Slagan net zero increase in your energy prices,
39:56
Speaker 18: you know, or something like that.
39:57
Speaker 2: Mayana Manyada Manyada.
39:58
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Christianity just quickly, because you've
40:00
Speaker 3: got this brilliant new book. Thank you for a copy.
40:02
Speaker 3: I put it up on the screen for everyone. Two
40:04
Speaker 3: best sellers on the issue of Christianity. Who would have
40:06
Speaker 3: thought that in this modern world. But I tell you
40:08
Speaker 3: what has told me, Greg, that you have picked this
40:13
Speaker 3: issue before anyone else. The reaction, particularly of young people
40:18
Speaker 3: to the assassination of Charlie Kirk says to me that
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Speaker 3: people are searching for fate.
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Speaker 18: Well, Peter, I think that's right. So this book is
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Speaker 18: called How Christians Can Succeed Today, and it tries to
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Speaker 18: look at the early Christians two thousand years ago and
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Speaker 18: learn cultural and lifestyle and practice lessons for us today.
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Speaker 18: But I had to rewrite the intro of this book
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Speaker 18: when I was finished it because the decline of Christianity
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Speaker 18: in the West has stopped and the reason it's stopped
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Speaker 18: is because the gen Zs are much more religious than
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Speaker 18: anyone ever expected them to be. So, you know, we've
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Speaker 18: seen this terrible assassination of Charlie Kirk and so forth.
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Speaker 18: And I didn't embrace all his views, certainly said good
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Speaker 18: things about Christianity and the family and so on. And
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Speaker 18: we've seen this the internet saint that the Catholic Church
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Speaker 18: recently pantonized. And young people. We've seen the extraordinary impact
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Speaker 18: that Jordan Peterson has with young men. Yes, and young people.
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Speaker 18: I describe them in a sense, if they're under forty,
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Speaker 18: unless they went to a Christian school, they've never heard
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Speaker 18: of Christianity. And in a sense they're the new Pagans.
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Speaker 18: But therefore they are, they're not immune to Christianity.
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Speaker 3: You give us hope. You give us hope. We need
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Speaker 3: a bit of hope. Thanks Greg, Thanks Peter. You get
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Speaker 3: that book anywhere we can get good books, bookshops. Let's
41:34
Speaker 3: say they haven't gone extinct on us, but certainly online.
41:38
Speaker 3: All right after the break, don't drive a Chinese made
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Speaker 3: electric car.
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Speaker 2: That's stark warning.
41:42
Speaker 3: From our defense and security experts. Let's get into it
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Speaker 3: now with my panel. Nicole Warner, one of our state
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Speaker 3: mp from Victoria and Scarn's contributed to Jamie Rodgers. I'll
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Speaker 3: go to a front page store in the Herald's son
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Speaker 3: one victory. We're a thirteen year old has had two
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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety interactions with the police this year alone,
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Speaker 3: accused of various crimes, home invasions, car jackings, armed robberies.
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Speaker 3: Car theff's some of course while he's out on bail,
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Speaker 3: but he's telling the court he's too young to understand
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Speaker 3: that these actions were wrong. Now, Nicole Wanner, we had
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Speaker 3: a police officer just the other day, a senior police
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Speaker 3: officer saying, the system's broken.
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Speaker 2: Enough's enough.
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Speaker 3: The courts have got to step in and assist us.
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Speaker 3: We're getting them off the streets and it's just recycling
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Speaker 3: them out. I know your boss has had a bit
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Speaker 3: to say at State Council Liberal Parties Council over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Can you turn this around? Yes we can.
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Speaker 20: We've got a very clear policy about if you break bail,
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Speaker 20: you should face jail. It is very clear, and we
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Speaker 20: have seen how much this is a crisis in Victoria.
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Speaker 20: As much as Laybe would like to deny it, not
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Speaker 20: talk about it, there is a car jacking that happens
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Speaker 20: every seventeen minutes here in Victoria. There is an aggrav
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Speaker 20: beglary where someone goes into someone's home with a weapon
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Speaker 20: every single hour that happens, and a lot of the
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Speaker 20: time it is from youth criminals who are out on bail.
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Speaker 20: And that's one example. There are many other cases. There's
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Speaker 20: a fifteen year old who's I think four hundred charges
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Speaker 20: against him and been out on bail fifty times over,
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Speaker 20: just rent and repeat, in and out, in and out,
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Speaker 20: in and out. These are the offenders that we actually
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Speaker 20: need to be putting away for the sake of the Victorians.
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Speaker 20: And what we've seen from the Allen Labor government really
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Speaker 20: is that they're putting the criminals rights.
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Speaker 2: Above victims' rights.
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Speaker 20: And we've said enough is enough and we need to
43:36
Speaker 20: put community safety first.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm a big fan of yours, but I've got
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Speaker 3: to be tough on you. Red Bridge, polling out today,
43:41
Speaker 3: says it looks like the government would be returned. There's
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Speaker 3: shocking bad labor government in Victoria. What is it about
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Speaker 3: that message? That's absolutely common sense. You've just run through
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Speaker 3: what you would do. Now, what is it about that message?
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Speaker 3: That's not cutting through yet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: Look it's fourteen months away and we are absolutely fokocused
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Speaker 20: on being this credible alternative to this appalling government.
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely appalling.
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Speaker 20: It's not just crime, it is in every single area,
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Speaker 20: the childcare crisis, our local roads, healthcare. There are an
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Speaker 20: abundance of issues with his government. They are the worst
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Speaker 20: government we have ever seen in Victoria. And what I'd
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Speaker 20: say to that is, look, it's for sophologists to have
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Speaker 20: a look at the polling. It's not for me to
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Speaker 20: comment on bat What we have seen before is in
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Speaker 20: twenty ten, the polls that were against us the whole time,
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Speaker 20: we want government state here in Victoria. In twenty nineteen
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Speaker 20: the polls are against us the whole time. Federally, we
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Speaker 20: won government or health government rather in that year as well.
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Speaker 20: And so we've got a long time to go and
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Speaker 20: we've got to continue to prosecute the message as I
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Speaker 20: have been doing on my social media, all playing our part.
44:45
Speaker 20: And I will say this, Peter, for that new emerging
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Speaker 20: cohort of voters, the under thirty five, so both the
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Speaker 20: gen Z and millennials, that is now the largest voting
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Speaker 20: cohort in Australia, let alone Victoria, and they are buying
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Speaker 20: getting their media content from social media. Is I know
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Speaker 20: it's for your viewers. That's a bit troubling to hear,
45:06
Speaker 20: but it's the truth of it. So that's where we
45:08
Speaker 20: are doing our part in getting the message through that way,
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Speaker 20: so that there is that message that we're getting to
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Speaker 20: young Victorians, so that they're hearing us prosecute this message
45:18
Speaker 20: against the government that they are a failing government, that
45:20
Speaker 20: they are absolutely horrible at government just core business. They
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Speaker 20: are absolutely failing at day and day out. And I
45:27
Speaker 20: will say as a second year backbencher, I now have
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Speaker 20: double the followers of the premier. In the last month,
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Speaker 20: I've had ten million views on my Instagram alone.
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Speaker 3: So that mess out or you're going to turn the
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Speaker 3: poles around. Yeah, that message would great to be on
45:39
Speaker 3: social media. You got to get the results. Let's just
45:41
Speaker 3: bring it if I can. Jamie Rodgers, defense official and
45:45
Speaker 3: a not just a defense official of course, this one
45:47
Speaker 3: is ahead. Lieutenant General Susan Coyle, who leads our cyber
45:52
Speaker 3: and space operations, says Australia is absolutely relying on cyber
45:56
Speaker 3: and our systems are on the under constant attack, but
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Speaker 3: weighing into this whole debate about how much we're being
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Speaker 3: hit by our neighbors in Beijing. Malcolm Turnbull's former cyber expert,
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Speaker 3: had this to say about Chinese made electric cars.
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Speaker 1: Vehicles are updated all the time, the telemetry goes back
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Speaker 1: to the manufacturer. That manufacturer can be directed to turn
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Speaker 1: off those safety features. So yes, in extreme is it
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Speaker 1: conceivably possible this could occur? Or what about household batteries
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Speaker 1: ninety plus percent of which are manufactured and therefore controlled
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Speaker 1: by China. This is not an issue of where something
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Speaker 1: is made, it's where it is controlled from.
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Speaker 3: Well, don't buy them, is the message, Jamie. At the
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Speaker 3: same time, of course, the Victorian premier is over in
46:45
Speaker 3: Beijing and desperately seeking billions of dollars from Beijing to
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Speaker 3: pour into her suburban rail loop. Now I think we're
46:52
Speaker 3: being warned not to buy Chinese cars. What the heck's
46:55
Speaker 3: of Victorian government doing trying to get China to own
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Speaker 3: our trains.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, you're absolutely right there, Peter. I think all Australians
47:04
Speaker 21: should be quite frightened by that article talking about the
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Speaker 21: Chinese made electric vehicles with the ability for them to
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Speaker 21: detonate and Alistair, who was just speaking then, has advised
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Speaker 21: all parliamentarians never to get into one of these cars
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Speaker 21: and just think about all of the solar panels and
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Speaker 21: the wind turbines that are all coming from China what
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Speaker 21: they could be doing to those as well. I'm not
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Speaker 21: a conspiracy theorist, but this could be diabolical if we
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Speaker 21: are so reliant on things coming out of China, where
47:31
Speaker 21: we know that in that article as well, that driving
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Speaker 21: around your car is a listening device and they can
47:36
Speaker 21: also be following you and watching you through the cameras
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Speaker 21: and to your point with Justinta Allen now over in China,
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Speaker 21: she's pretty much got her hand out to try and
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Speaker 21: fund this suburban railroad project, which needs twenty billions still
47:51
Speaker 21: to be funded out of that thirty four billion. We
47:53
Speaker 21: saw what happened with Daniel Andrews and the fiasco that
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Speaker 21: happened with the project that he tried to do that.
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Speaker 21: But when you look at the sheer volume of debt
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Speaker 21: Peter that's coming into Victoria, they've already got more that
48:05
Speaker 21: the New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania combined. So they're
48:09
Speaker 21: going to be needing to look somewhere to get that
48:11
Speaker 21: investment within the state.
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Speaker 2: I think it's quite concerning.
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Speaker 21: That she is over there, but it also so soon
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Speaker 21: after Anthony ALBERNIZI was already over in China doing his
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Speaker 21: five day trip. And let's not forget what her predecessor
48:23
Speaker 21: had just recently done as well, when he was in
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Speaker 21: that family photo with Kim Jon Un and Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 21: So not a great look from the Victoria premiere. I
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Speaker 21: think she does need to give us some answers though,
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Speaker 21: of what exactly she is doing over there, especially with
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Speaker 21: her four backbenches that they can't really make too many decisions,
48:39
Speaker 21: but they do have a huge following of Chinese Australian
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Speaker 21: voters within their electorate.
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Speaker 2: And she was asked if this.
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Speaker 21: Was a political play as to why she was over there,
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Speaker 21: but she wasn't forthcoming with the answer.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
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Speaker 3: And if people think they shouldn't be worried about Victoria
48:54
Speaker 3: because they don't live in Victoria, let me tell you
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Speaker 3: that the costs born by Victoria through the budget failures
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Speaker 3: will be carried by the whole country. I gotta leave
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Speaker 3: it there. Quick break out of the Brave Woodoo cal
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Speaker 3: Richards in a moment. Well, mister Richards, in the interest
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Speaker 3: of brevity, I'm going to get you to take it
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Speaker 3: away with the first word tonight. David wants to know
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Speaker 3: the origins of.
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Speaker 6: Jaywalk American from early in the twentieth century. I think
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Speaker 6: it was a Philadelphia police chief who coined the expression,
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Speaker 6: and he took it from the well known American bird,
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Speaker 6: the jay. So in other words, if you dawdle on
49:31
Speaker 6: a busy road, you are a bird brain, so don't jaywalk.
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Speaker 6: The next one is ride roughshod, which means just to
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Speaker 6: ignore the feelings and ideas of other people. And nowadays
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Speaker 6: it's used metaphorically, but originally it was formed in seventeen
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Speaker 6: eighty eight. Originally it was literal because horses were rough shod.
49:49
Speaker 6: Horses had horseshoes with nails sticking out, which they'd used
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Speaker 6: to ride over icy surfaces or slippery surfaces, which kept
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Speaker 6: the horse safe, but it cut up the surface underneath
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Speaker 6: clearly riding roughshot over. So as a metaphor it worked
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Speaker 6: really well for doing the same thing to people's feelings.
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Speaker 2: We'll have a little.
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Speaker 6: More time and we'll say a little bit more next week, Peter,
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Speaker 6: but Ozeda's words, ozed, words, dot a, dot dot com,
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Speaker 6: dot au.
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Speaker 3: Get it right, Kell, there's one next week. Do I
50:21
Speaker 3: want to know why we call money Doe?
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Speaker 2: Margaret?
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Speaker 3: You know that too. We'll get to that then. Thank you, Kel,
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Speaker 3: thanks for your patience. So I apologize I went a
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Speaker 3: bit long with all that stuff there with Breg Sherdan. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: that's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Here's the pop Report.