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Americanization, Political Realignment, and UFO Disclosure · Bourbon & Rum

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Is there anything more deep state than bodies of aliens at
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right path? The part I struggle with and I
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haven't really processed is what does it mean for us?
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Does it bring us together or does it make it worse?
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Welcome to Bourbon and Rum, the podcast dedicated to civil
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conversation. I'm Kent.
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I like rum and I'm from the left side of the aisle and I'm Kyle.
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I like bourbon. I tend to be a little more
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conservative. We're brothers talking politics
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for bourbon and rum. What are you drinking?
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I got a bottle of High WA blend of its MGP bourbon mixed and.
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Finished Summit and Barbados. Rum barrels.
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Summit County, Utah, right. Yeah, Park City, UT and it's got
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a little rum, you know, twist to it.
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So trying to be with you I'm. I'm honored that you would, that
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you would reach out that way. I just made myself a, you know,
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kind of like a tall rum sour with sparkling water, kind of a
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cooler sipper for a sunny day. Well, and I have to point out
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that we're recording earlier today and there's something cool
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about sipping cocktails at 1:00 PM on a Saturday.
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It's quite nice. Well, you know, time to handle
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the important stuff. That's right.
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Hey, you texted me a really interesting thing coming off of
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a of a when you were overseas and I'd like to hear what you
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said about that. Yeah.
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And you texted me some stuff too that I want to hear from you.
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And I think there's probably an intersection there that we could
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come up with. Yeah, I was in Europe this week.
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I was in France, in Toulouse, down to the South of France.
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And it's not a huge city. It's where Airbus is.
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And so there's a lot of industry there, but it's not like Paris.
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And I had a taxi one day and just started shooting the breeze
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with a taxi driver. Really nice guy.
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And we really got into an engaging discussion.
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He I don't know what how I'd gotten into it.
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I think I'd said something about, you know, what countries
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do you like to travel to? And he said, well, I really
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enjoyed Africa. I was like, oh, no kidding.
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So we got to talking about that. And he'd been a soldier in the
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French military. I don't know what service it
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was, what branch, but he'd been stationed in Congo, Chad, Kenya,
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several different, you know, remote outposts in Africa.
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And I'm thinking, man, this is like some of those places are
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pretty, pretty remote. You know, that's you're not
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going to New York City, you're going to the middle of nowhere
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and at a pretty rough area. But he said what he really loved
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about it is he got to know the people.
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And he said the people in these countries in Africa have
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absolutely nothing to their name.
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They have 0 material possessions, but they have a
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network of family and friends and community that really
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doesn't exist anyplace else. And he said that was really
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compelling. And then that kind of launched
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him into this conversation about, you know, in France Once
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Upon a time, there was more of a sense of community and had these
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smaller villages and people's, you know, had these distinct
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cultural differences. You were talking about the
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cultural differences. And it's not a huge country and
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you go 50 kilometers in One Direction and it may be a
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completely different culture, He said.
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There was all this uniqueness about their culture.
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But he said, you know, everybody is becoming Americanized.
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And he wasn't saying it like from an antagonistic, you know,
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it was a really good conversation and really good
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dude. But he's like, everything is
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everybody wants to be American now.
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And he's like, all of these cultures are going away because
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everybody wants to adopt what's cool in America.
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He said, I grew up and I watched Sylvester Stallone and Rocky.
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And it's like, that's what I want to be.
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I don't want to be the, you know, the culture of my
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ancestors here in France. And, and what I found really
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interesting, the terminology he used, he said, I view it as a
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form of colonialism, like America is colonizing the world
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through its culture. And I was like, that's yeah, I
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can see that. Yeah.
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That really makes sense. And it's really the, you know, a
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lot of it's the advancement of a capitalism, a capitalist
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approach. You know, it's all the brands.
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I mean, you got McDonald's, you got Coca-Cola everywhere.
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Hollywood's probably the biggest colonizer of all these cultures
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because everybody's been watching movies and they all
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want to see what's be like, what's in the movie.
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He his words are really reinforced When I was walking
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around this town and they all were advertising a Black Friday
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sale. And I'm like, OK.
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They don't they're, they don't celebrate Thanksgiving, but
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they're celebrating Black Friday.
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OK, very telling. That's that's really
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interesting. Yeah.
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And I can see yeah, I mean, hard to argue with.
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I actually was reading about something the other day that
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kind of touched on this and I think that EU s s cultural power
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and again, I would go combination of Hollywood and we
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didn't even call it Madison Ave. anymore.
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You know, like the whole advertising infrastructure.
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Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.
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But it mentioned that there are other places that it it was it
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was an article. I think it was Wikipedia, but it
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kind of talked about cultural powerhouses of the world or
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cultural superpowers in the US, obviously from Levi's to
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Coca-Cola to everything else. But they pointed out especially
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in the last couple decades, South Korea with electronics and
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K pop and all of that. Jamaica, pound for pound, the
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influence on music and culture that way, you know, so there's
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these pockets of places that have a big, a really big
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important piece. But I think the volume alone of
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United States stuff just kind of just steamrolls, you know, a lot
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of things. Korea is a good example.
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And you know, I claim to be an expert, but I lived there for a
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year in the early 90s in the town of the Southwest.
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And it was, you know, it was cool because.
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And that's why I told this taxi driver I was like, actually,
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whenever I travel abroad, it pisses me off when I'm someplace
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and there's Americans, I'm like, how do I get away from these
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Americans? Like I want to come to a like, I
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want to experience the real city.
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I don't want to be surrounded by a bunch of Americans.
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And what, what I was going to say too, is he said, because I
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mentioned Paris is like, well, Paris isn't French.
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And I'm like, what? What do you mean?
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He's like, yeah, they're not even, they're their own thing.
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They're not even French, you know, there's that have nothing
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to do with France. You know, I thought that was
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because honestly, you go there and it's all Americans.
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I mean, everybody you see there is American tourist.
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Well, and if you go to Times Square, I mean, have you been to
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America? If you go to the Las Vegas
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Strip, have you been to America? True.
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Yeah, good point. Yes, but boy, it's kind of a
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different. So I guess maybe I might put it
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back to you. Is it really American culture
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that's permeating around the world, or is it like faux
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American culture that there's that layer?
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Or is it or does American culture transcend?
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And where I was going to go with Korea, you know, I was stationed
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there in the early 90s. It was cool because it was so
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different and it was very, you know, it's like a completely
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different place. I went, you know, the last time
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I went was probably 20/15/2016. I mean, if you walk downtown
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Seoul, there's spots you'd think you're New York City.
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I mean, it is. But to your point, they do have
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their own uniqueness. You have the K pop, you have the
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food is way different. So is the promulgation of this
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attitude or this approach, is it an American or is American just
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the first that got it and everybody else is getting the
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same bug that America got 100 years ago?
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Yeah, I, I just wonder, you know, when he's describing the
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America culture, colonialism, that's I live in a small town.
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That's not what it's like, you know, I, I, I mean, I wear
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Levi's. I mean, I can't say I'm divorced
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from the culture, but but there's a there's a generic kind
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of television culture that I don't think most people in this
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country live in, much less people around the world.
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It's it feels very synthetic, the same way when you're in
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Vegas, that the whole thing feels fake.
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It feels fake, like the like the walls of the buildings are fake.
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It's all right. Like, yeah, plastic or
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something. Well, and honestly, that I was
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talking about that with somebody else this week about Dubai, you
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know, you go to Dubai and I think coming as an American,
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like if I go to Vegas, I'm like, yeah, well, that's Vegas.
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But Dubai is very much like that.
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It's all glitz and glamour. And it's like, yeah, but I flew
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16 hours. Can I not see a cultural, like
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something, a local someplace? No, there's none of it.
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It's all yeah, legacy. Some places that I've been, I
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haven't travelled near as much as you have, but I would say,
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you know, Hong Kong is interesting.
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Like it doesn't, there are some touchstones to kind of the
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monoculture of capitalist societies, but it it has its own
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specific and distinctive things. Like, I feel like that's old
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enough and big enough and strong enough that that's not really
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going to get rocked by this monolithic monoculture.
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Yeah. OK.
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Today we and just for the listeners, we're going to try to
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weave in three different conversations that we're not
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sure how this can work, but I think that I think there's a
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theme here. I don't know what it is yet, but
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I want to try to dig into it. So now can't introduce the
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videos you sent me. I'm going to blow up.
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I sent you the whole clip and then A and then a zeroed in clip
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on a conversation between Ezra Klein and Fareed Zakaria in in
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my bubble, I wouldn't have to introduce either of those
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gentlemen. But for the sake of listeners
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who maybe don't swim in my circles, Ezra Klein is with the
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New York Times. He's the host of the Ezra Klein
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Podcast. And Fareed Zakaria, I think he's
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still on CNN. He was the he was the youngest
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managing editor of Foreign Affairs Quarterly.
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Fun fact, just I think just a really brilliant guy.
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But the whole thing, it's an hour long and our producer of
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Lincoln, it's essentially him self describing as a part of the
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center left. And it's a lament that the
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center left has lost its way, lost its dominance.
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And that one quote that just kind of really kicked me in the
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gut. Democrats have lost the ability
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to talk to people who don't have a college degree.
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It's pretty compelling. His hypothesis is this that, you
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know, we've talked many times about this political shift
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that's happened in this country, you know, almost complete flip
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flop and like nobody ever noticed it.
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But, you know, now you've got instead of the Democratic Party
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of my youth being the party of organized labor and the working
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class and the Republicans were all the managerial class, a lot
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of that has flipped, not exclusively, certainly people
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with different stripes. But his point is that now, you
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know, the loudest voices in the Democratic Party are the far
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left and most far left on cultural issues, he said.
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That's why you're losing that. Most Americans and I, I think we
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could find evidence this, most Americans are pretty happy with
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the general run of kind of center left moderate economic
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and policy issues. They're not comfortable with the
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really, you know, woke, whatever you want to call it, very
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progressive, cultural and, you know, basically religious
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issues. And it's like that.
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That's not really a winner for people, but moderate economic
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policies. And he he pointed out, I just
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thought this was really interesting.
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You've got 2, arguably 2 successful Democrat presidents
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since John F Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
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Both of them were, I mean, squarely what you would call
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centre left. I mean, you listen to people and
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they talk about, oh, that Barack Obama's the worst thing in the
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world. Look, his policies that he ran
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on and the policies that he governed by were moderate left,
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not hard left. Did you see the Bill Marklip I
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sent you? No, but I think it's probably
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cut from the same cloth, am I right?
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Right. Yeah, he was.
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Well, he was advocating for a John Fetterman, Pete Buttigieg
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ticket. Yeah, You know, because he's
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like they're both down the middle, you know?
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Yeah, I just, anyway, I thought it was really interesting and it
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was kind of an indictment from Zakaria.
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And he he took some, you know, really kind of pushing back
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against the, the, the most radical cultural positions.
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And like, that's not a winner. That is not a winner with the
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broad populace. And that the the Democratic
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Party needs to find its voice, I guess, is his point.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I started listening.
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I didn't, I didn't get that far in it, but I started listening
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and one thing I thought was one thing I kind of stuck on a
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little bit is client Ezra was talking about, well, you know, I
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don't know, cuz I think free to the beginning kind of
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characterized what he saw as the traditional Republican Party.
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And then and Ezra's like, well, you're kind of whitewashing it.
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I mean, it wasn't really a party of old racists and stuff.
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And, you know, that was kind of the the concept.
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And I was struck by that because I'm like, well, OK, yeah.
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I mean, there were figures in the party that you could pin his
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race. I mean, that was going to David
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Duke, but it's not a David Duke wasn't exactly a leader in the
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party. I mean, he was kind of a friend.
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But then, you know, I'm like, I mean, Robert Byrd was a, you
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know, one of the longest serving Democrat centers in the House.
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Like I was in the KKK or, you know, like I think it like
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Lyndon, Lyndon Johnson, who, you know, yeah, he's the father of
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the civil rights movement. Yet the guy is, you know,
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captured on camera all the time using the N word.
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I think the racial dynamic of it.
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And I feel like there's an element today.
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I think Democrats try to represent themselves as being,
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well, we're not we're the non racist party.
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But I think they use the racial identity and the racial
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political element is a pragmatic thing.
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Like, I don't think Lyndon Johnson Dandeep was a, you know,
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I think he's a pretty racist guy.
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But he saw the value of the voting bloc, you know what I
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mean? He saw a pragmatism there.
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And so I don't know. I don't, I think.
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I would say no. I think you're right.
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I think, though, that there's, you know, the other side of that
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coin and part of the reason that we're in the boat that we're in
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is Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy.
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It was an overt thing because Kennedy was pretty left and was
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progressive on racial issues. And I think he really was.
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I mean, you know, for all of his faults, I think that that was a
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core belief. I think that Johnson, it was
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more expedience. I think you're right, although
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Johnson had a lot more sympathy for Mexican Americans, he he
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really had a heart for Hispanics, so it's said anyway.
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But it was much more of an expedient for him, more of a
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passion for Kennedy. But when Kennedy and then when
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Johnson did things like the Voting Rights Act, he said
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Johnson said it's going to lose the South for the Democratic
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Party for a generation. And in that very moment, Richard
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Nixon was like, let's call it the Southern strategy.
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We're going to go out there and we're going to, you know, I'm
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not making judgments on who's a racist or not.
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But there was there was a specific and deliberate pitch to
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say, OK, if the Democrats are going to line up nationally, if
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the Democrats are going to align around civil rights, voting
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rights, racial issues, you're going to have a whole host of
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people, Democrats, southern Democrats that have voted
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Democrat for 100 years because the Republicans were the party
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of Reconstruction. But if we don't make them
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uncomfortable, if we don't push a racial agenda or a equal
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rights agenda, we can pick up those those voters.
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And, and in some ways that's what happened.
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That's why was named Richard Helms.
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Is it? Is that what I'm talking about
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the from North Carolina, Jesse, Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond
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and all of those guys, they all switched to the Republican Party
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in that 60s time frame. And so no, I guess Republican
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Party is a racist party. Well, I guess that's all I'm
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going, is it? I don't think, I don't think
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either party is inherently good or inherently bad.
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I think, I think politicians in both parties manipulate the
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populace for their own means and and that can cross both ends of
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that spectrum. I guess that's my only point.
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A. 100% agree. 100% agree with that.
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The other thing and then I'm not trying to dump into.
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I don't want to. I don't want to breeze over the,
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the, the key element of it, which makes sense.
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But one thing, another thing Ezra said that I, I thought was
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interesting, he started getting into income inequality and he's
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like in the last, I forget what time for him, He said, I want to
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say it was the last 20 years that the top 1% went from like
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10 trillion in wealth to 23 trillion in wealth, you know,
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and then he's like in the bottom 50 Cent, 50% went from 900
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billion to 4 trillion. And he's like, isn't that awful
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that we've got all his income inequality?
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And I'm like, well actually those numbers mean that the 50,
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the bottom 50, actually has grown faster than the top one.
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Percent. Then I think his numbers are
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wrong because I don't think that's the case.
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I I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this, but I think yeah.
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I'd love to see that. Yeah, I think that income
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inequality is a huge problem in in my mind.
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Fareed called it the .001% is like the like the hedge fund
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money. And then what he was saying is
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he was like, hey, we got the same tax bracket for the guy
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making 4 million a dollars a year to the guy that's making $8
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billion a year. Yeah, yeah, I just.
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Thought OK but OK. But the people that lament to
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that are the left, right mainly. And one of the main points of
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the podcast was the people in the upper income brackets are
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mostly Democrat. So if you're so worried about
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income inequality, then why don't you cough up some of your
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money, hedge phone fund guy and take care of the bottom?
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You know, it reminds me of this. I don't know if you've seen
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this, but there is this. I forget who it was.
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I think it was a Tucker Carlson thing.
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So you probably didn't see it, but there was AI.
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Didn't watch the whole video, but it was like a short and
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they're talking about Ukraine and Mark Cuban's on there with
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Tucker Carlson and Mark Cuban's like, well, you know, I just
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think we should give more money to Ukraine because, you know,
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I've got, I've got family there. And, you know, I think, I think
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it's something I really believe in.
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I really think the US should fund that.
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And Tucker was like, well, Mark, how much money have you given to
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Ukraine? And he's like, well, I, I
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haven't really given any money. And he's like, well, you got
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family there. Like you've, you're the one guy
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that ought to give money 'cause you have people there and you
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haven't given any money, but you want everybody else to get
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money, you know? And it's like, I just that, I
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don't know, that just gets me when somebody's like, well, we
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got too much money and we're the ones in charge.
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And yet we're not doing anything about it.
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Yeah, not in charge, but we're the ones that have the money.
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It's just. Yeah, I mean, there's always,
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there's some inherent inequity there.
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And just in terms of how people view the world.
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Well, the other thing we talked about what would be really cool
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is if this really is prescient. I can't believe it would be.
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But I'll quote Joe Rogan. I was listening to the podcast
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the other day. There's a new documentary that
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has just come out. I see it's available on Amazon
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Prime. Planning to watch it tonight,
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it's called. Age of disclosure.
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Age of. Disclosure and it is about the
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public discussion about what the government knows and is covered
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up about extraterrestrials and UFOs.
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And it's got an All Star cast, including Marco Rubio talking
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about this. And the author or the filmmaker
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made a statement on Joe Rogan. I think it was yesterday's
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program. And he was like, I've heard
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people talking and of course that should be my first red flag
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that people are talking. But he said, I hear that Trump
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is seriously considering laying it out there and telling people
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what the government knows. And I thought that's an
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interesting thought. Yeah.
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So, so let's recap these three subjects.
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One, there's some people that are lamenting that the US
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culture has changed culture. There's there's this populist,
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not this, I think, I think we kind of deduce it's not
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necessarily US. It's this, this populist message
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of freedom and and you know, kind of like this shared global
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identity instead of individual cultures.
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And then we talked about in the political realm, the, the
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changing landscapes where these, I guess if I was going to boil
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down that discussion, it's almost that, you know, the, the
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parties are not static entities. The parties move how they need
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to, to, to change to the changing attitudes and the, the
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groups. And So what was the Democratic
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Party wants? Is it the Democratic Party
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today? Vice versa with the Republicans?
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And so maybe the theme of these two is nothing is static.
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Like if you think your little culture and your little town and
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your political party is going to be good to go for the next 20
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years, it's going to change. Everything's going to change.
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If aliens are real and we find evidence of this.
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And now how does, but how does that change?
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I mean, I get our parties and our cultures are going to
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change, but maybe, OK, maybe there's an an alien culture that
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is superior to our culture and our political way of thinking.
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I mean, is that certainly possible?
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Yeah, I don't know what's more powerful, the ability to
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transcend galaxies or the Coca-Cola script logo.
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I mean, we're going to find out. We're going to have the the the
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big capitalist smack down. What?
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I had to laugh. Yeah, they're going to be
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drinking Coke in this planet a trillion light years away.
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I did think so. I have, I'm a lifelong skeptic
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of the UFO, but I, I really AM. And it honestly hasn't changed
26:35
that much. But I am really intrigued by the
26:38
nature of the way the discussion has changed in, say, the last
26:42
five years back to when the Navy released those Tic Tac videos
26:47
and stuff like that. Like, it's been treated as much
26:50
more serious by people and Congress.
26:54
We talked about before Congress got the briefing and they were
26:57
all kind of like stunned when they came out of the thing.
27:03
Can't you know if Trump announces it, then aliens and
27:10
UFOs? The Republican Party is the
27:14
party of aliens and UFOs. Now Can't we own that?
27:19
Well, I'm saying, you know, the ironic thing is if Trump
27:23
announces it, you can have 60% of the country that isn't going
27:27
to believe it until they roll out the the stuff on the flatbed
27:32
truck. You know we're going to need the
27:34
actual alien autopsy. Video.
27:37
He's bringing out UFOs to distract from the Epstein files.
27:44
It's all one big plot. 60 years ago they planted UFOs because
27:49
the Republicans knew that Trump was going to be in trouble with
27:52
a pedophile financier in 2025. And that's why they're, yes,
27:57
it's all a big conspiracy. So I still refuse to.
28:02
As much as I'm interested in this, in the discussion around
28:05
this makes sense, I refuse to believe that any alien
28:12
civilization would bother to travel here in person.
28:19
We've talked about this before. Like you are in the aviation
28:23
business, and you think we shouldn't be building fighter
28:26
planes, we should be building drones because it's too much of
28:28
a pain to support the human being on the thing.
28:32
Yeah. Hasn't that got to expand
28:34
geometrically if we're talking about Cosmic Truffle?
28:40
Like wouldn't they at some point, but the point where they
28:43
didn't have to send the person? We did talk about this a few
28:48
months ago and the game changer, and this would be a bigger game
28:54
changer than UFOs and aliens is if they if they figured out time
28:59
travel, that would be whoa, yeah, that would be a game
29:07
changer. And what I kind of believe is
29:12
that it's it's easier for me to imagine that there are
29:17
coexistent higher technology life forms on this planet that
29:26
we don't see and normally understand.
29:30
Like that would make more sense to me than somebody traveling
29:33
here. You look at the I'm going to
29:36
weave together a bunch of stuff that doesn't make any sense, but
29:38
bear with me. You look at people talk about
29:41
the pyramids, the the technology and the ability to build those
29:46
back 6000 years ago or whatever. Like it, it, it really, it's
29:53
kind of a stretch. And could that be an artifact of
29:58
of a much more highly advanced civilization?
30:01
You look at the mythology of Atlantis, right?
30:05
the Super high tech civilization that gets sunk into the water.
30:10
Could there be could, could there be, whether human or non
30:18
human species that evolved over the millennia that the Earth has
30:25
been around to have a civilization and then either
30:30
that civilization fall or they simply go into hiding?
30:34
You know, you know what could live in the the depth of the
30:37
ocean? You know how much of the ocean
30:39
we know what's going on in there?
30:42
Darn little darn. Little well, I mean, OK, if you
30:49
know, to your point, like how's a body in a in a plane going to
30:54
come here from thousands of light years away?
30:57
Really the only answer is there something transcension of it's
31:01
probably not a word, some type of transcending time.
31:07
So some type of time manipulation and travel.
31:10
If that occurred. And then now Trump lays out this
31:13
announcement, we get all the technology and we then figure
31:17
out how to time travel. But if not now, at some point in
31:20
the future, then we would have executed time travel, which
31:26
means the world that we see now has been manipulated multiple
31:31
times by time travel that will have taken place in the future
31:34
because they're going to unveil this to somebody and everything
31:39
would have changed. And so does that mean that like
31:42
our view of the world isn't really how it was done the first
31:45
time? There's been multiple time
31:48
travels, travellers back in time, multiple times that have
31:51
created all this crap and we're now just seeing this
31:55
amalgamation of multiple time travel experiences.
32:01
You know that. Sort of.
32:03
Yeah, it does. And I think that sort of also
32:06
answers where people have gotten sucked up into the simulation
32:14
hypothesis. Yeah, it kind of is.
32:17
Like it could be that the world we live in isn't a computer
32:21
simulation, but it's not exactly wild, like like we're in a zoo
32:31
more than we're living, you know?
32:35
Like, that could be part of this too, right?
32:37
Like there's others that are observing that are that are
32:41
attentive to this that are watching.
32:45
Hey, and I should I should point out for the audience we're only
32:49
drinking alcohol. Neither can't nor I are into
32:52
cannabis or acid. So this is purely alcohol
32:56
induced slang here. I should make that disclaimer.
33:00
Yeah, I, it, it's just become so fascinating to me.
33:04
It, it seems like it's a real thing people are talking about
33:08
now. I can't wait to see this.
33:10
OK. So then you go back to our
33:12
previous discussions about culture, about political party
33:20
changes. If there is if, if we're looking
33:26
at a past that is tainted by time travel, that would occur in
33:34
the future from now, but we won't know about it until we
33:37
learn about it. How many of these things are not
33:41
pure and how many of these things haven't really changed?
33:44
And how many of these things are just changing?
33:46
To your point, this this swamp, I don't know you used a pond or
33:50
what analogy you use, but like this mass of changes.
33:54
Yeah. What's interesting is if, if we
34:00
zoom out a little bit, I mean, I don't, I don't want to get too
34:03
woo woo about this. Yeah, but this guy?
34:07
Laid it out there and I can't stop thinking about what would
34:12
it like we've got the generic case right?
34:15
What would it be if AUS president said, hey, I got the
34:22
file now I put it all together. Let me tell you what the
34:25
government's been hiding from you for 60 years, 80 years since
34:30
the since the 40s and here's why and they they were well
34:34
intended. But the time has come that we
34:37
got to talk about now, a lot of people that have heard speak on
34:40
this think that, you know, we're not the only country that has
34:45
that has discovered these facts and these technologies and that
34:51
that really what's going on is it's almost like a Manhattan
34:55
Project kind of. Arms race, yeah.
34:58
Arms race, right? Because you don't want the like
35:01
the Chinese to get in tight with the aliens before we do.
35:06
So, you know, you got that generic thing.
35:08
A president steps to the podium and says, hey, good news.
35:12
But I never thought about it like in an era where the
35:17
president is Trump, when we have this rampant division among
35:22
people. And I'm halfway joking, but
35:24
there are people that would not believe it if Donald Trump said
35:28
it. And we would go exactly to what
35:30
you said, that it's like, wow, this is he just made this stuff.
35:33
He's trying to divert this is his way to stay out of jail as
35:37
he's claiming aliens, I mean. Could he?
35:40
Yeah. How would he validate this?
35:43
Well, I would. Doubt him, I mean.
35:47
You know, if all the other presidents knew this, Trump is a
35:52
wild card. And maybe all the other
35:55
presidents were like, no, the last guy was right.
35:58
I don't care. This isn't political.
35:59
We need to do that our thing. Well, you get Trump who just I
36:03
mean, he literally says whatever comes into his head.
36:07
I think, hence the the Miss Piggy reference at a news
36:12
conference. I'm like, what are you talking
36:14
about? Like like like how did like, you
36:18
know, you think about does he not like process the implication
36:24
of saying something just idiotic?
36:28
It's just mind blowing to me. But my point is like.
36:32
He thought it like it. Not only did it go into his head
36:36
and he said like, anyway, like, whatever.
36:39
You don't understand what that means.
36:41
But I mean, if anybody was a threat to release all this crap,
36:48
it'd be him. I mean, you know, like, I don't
36:51
care. I'll just release it.
36:52
I mean, I mean, if it exists, he's the only guy that's going
36:56
to say it of the presidents that we've had so far.
37:00
Well, and is this not the ultimate deep state?
37:08
Like is there anything more deep state than bodies of aliens at
37:14
right path? I mean that is like that would
37:19
be if we found out they've hid that for 80 years.
37:24
I mean that is the swamp on full display.
37:30
I think Trump's thinking about condos at these in these foreign
37:34
planets. I mean, think of think of the
37:38
development possibilities in these other regions.
37:42
Like, I'm really interested in it.
37:43
The buzz that's going on about it is really interesting to me.
37:47
Those cockpit videos, it's really interesting to me.
37:50
I can't get my head around why the hell anybody would be here
37:54
buzzing. Why would they be buzzing around
37:57
in spaceships that occasionally just crash?
38:00
Look, right, Look, I got here from from, you know, Alpha
38:07
Centauri. I was fine, but I flew a little
38:11
low over the Rockies and I hit the the deck like that doesn't
38:14
make any sense to me. Yeah, it just doesn't make sense
38:18
to me. Right.
38:21
I the part I struggle with and I I haven't really processed is
38:27
what does it mean for us? Yeah.
38:31
If this is the case. Well, the religion angle is a
38:35
really significant part of that, right?
38:39
Yeah. Well, and to the other
38:42
conversation we had about our perspectives and cultural
38:48
elements, you know, if much of our worldview, well, our entire,
38:55
our worldview is shaped by our world and our world today is the
39:00
earth. If the world of life is larger,
39:05
I mean, that naturally changes your world view and how you view
39:07
everything. I mean, it really would have an
39:09
impact on many of our political elements and cultural elements
39:16
and the view of the world. Yeah.
39:22
Does it bring us together or does it make it worse?
39:26
That's a really good question. I think honestly, well, my thing
39:33
is unless somebody sees the technology, unless it's like the
39:38
Terminator and everybody sees the guy melting and coming back
39:43
to life and OK, like you said, incontrovertible evidence, I
39:48
think initially it's going to be a political thing.
39:50
I think you're exactly right. I think it's going to be, well,
39:52
Trump's full of baloney and we don't believe it.
39:56
It's got it. And that's, I mean, if, if he's
39:59
going to have a news conference, he needs to have like a device
40:03
he can hold up and say this isn't from us.
40:05
Well, that's the only way people are going to believe it.
40:07
Yeah. And he needs to then hand the
40:10
device to Schumer, who looks at it and hands the device to, you
40:14
know what I mean? Like they're all there.
40:18
How would you? OK.
40:19
So just from a, you know, like from an event planning
40:23
standpoint, how would you script that?
40:25
If, OK, here's the deal guys, he's going to go public with it,
40:31
you know? We we need they're not from
40:33
here. They're really strange.
40:34
They're I can hear, I can already hear him talking about
40:36
it. Well, you know, they're, they
40:38
say they're not from here. You know, they're not from here.
40:40
That's what they say. They're they're from someplace
40:42
else. I think they're from another.
40:43
I think they're from another world.
40:45
They're from somewhere, you know.
40:46
I and it's far away. Far away, away, some say.
40:52
Some would say. An alien, some would say, as I
40:54
would say from outer space, You. Know, oh man, yeah, I think
41:02
you'd have to I mean, it would be the if, if he does OK, here's
41:07
here's the thing. If he doesn't do this, I think
41:11
it's proof that they don't exist because regardless of the upside
41:17
downside the the ramifications, Donald Trump being the dude that
41:24
gets to announce the scoop on that, he is not going to walk
41:29
away from that. 12 presidents wouldn't do this for you.
41:33
I did Trump. Trump is doing this.
41:35
None of the other presidents. You know, I'm better than all
41:38
the presidents because I did this, you know?
41:39
Yeah, 100%. He'd want to take credit for
41:41
that. Pulls up a chair in the Oval
41:44
Office in front of all that gold shit on the wall and it's like a
41:50
little chair for the for the. For the I don't know.
41:55
What would you do, What would you do?
41:58
Would you do it, and would you do it?
42:01
You know what's interesting that I had never thought about?
42:06
We're rambling, but this just fascinates me.
42:08
Like the thought experiment, I would have always thought that
42:13
you would have, you know, not that the United Nations is all
42:17
that, but right. Like if we're going to announce
42:19
to the world that we've encountered a different
42:21
civilization, I kind of feel like you would have you'd you'd
42:28
be in the big assembly room with the United Nations and it would
42:31
be Putin and she and Trump and they'd all be embracing and
42:35
saying here we are. But if indeed it has over these
42:40
80 years gotten to the point where there's active programs
42:46
trying to reverse engineer the time travel or whatever, this is
42:51
the OK now What if? I know I hope people don't think
42:56
we're going like sci-fi here, but I mean, what if there was a
43:01
hostile threat? Are we are we in North Korea
43:06
pissing them out in each other if we're all going to get
43:08
annihilated by an alien force? Or would people come together
43:12
like, OK, this is the survival of the species.
43:16
Yeah. Does that change left and right?
43:20
Does it change cultures? Does it change?
43:23
You'd hope so. You'd hope people are arguing
43:25
until the till their death instead of coming together and
43:28
finding a solution. Yeah.
43:30
I just wonder what's that like? If we're, like I said, if we're
43:35
both, all of us are independently trying to reverse
43:38
engineer. One of the things that's
43:39
interesting to me the the dramatic increase in UFO
43:44
appearances in the atomic age. Like if you look at reports of
43:49
that, they were occasional things from way back, but it
43:53
really is starting in the 40s after the atomic bomb.
43:58
And people say that maybe that it's the aliens, that we're not
44:04
really in a simulation, but that we're in a zoo, and they're kind
44:07
of watching us from a distance. And then people start talking
44:11
about nuclear weapons and annihilating the Earth, and
44:14
they're like, hold on. And so that's why they're flying
44:17
over military bases. And maybe they've already
44:21
intervened and kept Russia from using tactical nukes in Ukraine
44:27
or something. You know what I mean?
44:28
Like, yeah, then you've got weapons that have global
44:33
ramifications. Yeah, so there's something about
44:37
our culture that would need to be preserved and why.
44:41
Yeah, Yeah. That's interesting.
44:44
I really am looking forward to seeing how our producer is going
44:48
to make all this nonsense into a actual headline of a of a this
44:54
podcast is about like Seinfeld. This podcast is about nothing.
45:03
Oh man. Well, let's as homework, we'll
45:06
link this documentary. I don't know what you're doing
45:08
over the weekend. Let's carve out.
45:09
Let's. I'm watching.
45:10
This for sure, Yeah. I'm thinking about getting a
45:13
little party together to watch it with some friends.
45:15
We can we can regroup on that and see it's it's apparently a,
45:21
a cast of stars, Marco Rubio, James Clapper's in it, I guess.
45:27
I mean, you know, like legit people.
45:29
Yeah. Our listeners will hear it first
45:32
if they hear something about President Trump's asked
45:35
everybody to tune in for a special bulletin tomorrow night.
45:41
We know we got the drop on it. And then, and then the first
45:45
reporter's question, isn't this an elaborate, elaborate scheme
45:48
to cover up the lack of release of the Epstein files?
45:53
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