Latest / Your Estate Matters / Episode 63 - Breaking the Inner Glass Ceiling with Jen Murtagh
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Your Estate Matters is a podcast dedicated to everything estates, including building and preserving your legacy. If it\u0027s estate related, we\u0027ll be talking about it. We\u0027re having the conversations today that will help Canadians protect their families, their assets and their legacies tomorrow. \n\nHello and welcome to your Estate Matters. I\u0027m Nicole Garton. Today, we\u0027re talking about something that sits right beside estate planning, and that is how we live the second half of life with intention. Many people reach a point in midlife where something no longer fits. It may be retirement, caregiving, widowhood, a health scare, an empty nest, or simply the quiet feeling that life is asking for something different. My guest today is Jen Murtagh, co-founder of Maturn, Leadership coach, speaker, and creator of a framework she calls Brave Connectedness. Jen is a former C-suite executive, a heart disease survivor, and an advocate for women\u0027s heart health. And she\u0027s someone who has truly lived her own reinvention story. Jen helps people move through fear, quiet the inner critic, and take small, brave steps toward a life that feels more aligned, meaningful, and true.\n\nNicole Garton 00:01:25 So, Jen, thank you so much for joining us. I\u0027m really excited to introduce someone who\u0027s had such an extraordinary career. And, you know, you\u0027ve been a C-suite executive. You led the National Pink Shirt Day campaign. You\u0027ve raised millions and millions for causes, and then you walked away from it all. Tell us about that. And was there a moment where you decided to make that big change?\n\nJen Murtagh 00:01:49 Yeah. And when you say the big change, do you mean the referral from, like, leaving kind of the corporate nonprofit world and then starting my journey in entrepreneurship, right? Yeah. You know, someone once said to me like, don\u0027t wait for a life changing moment to change your life. And so I recognized there might not be something cataclysmic that made me want to make the change. I think what kept coming up with the little whispers for a really long time before I decided to answer the call of the whispers and the whispers sort of came. Like, is this what you really want to be doing? Are you truly happy with the way that work and life integrate? Is this working for you anymore? From a context perspective? I was working about 60 hours a week with four kids at home and a dad who had stage four prostate cancer who was a paraplegic.\n\nJen Murtagh 00:02:35 And so there was, you know, as a lot of women hold, that mental load piece was huge. And I recognized I kept just butting up against feeling burnt out, exhausted, resentful. And I thought, there\u0027s got to be a different way for making an impact and doing work that matters and how my life meets that. And so I did make a really big leap on the entrepreneurship side. And there was a lot that went into that. 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