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- 0:00I contend that a human being should be aspiring to live 120
- 0:05years. I know that's a bold statement,
- 0:08but it's not pure hyperbole. We need to be targeting
- 0:12ourselves to stay vital. Nothing is ever achieved unless
- 0:16you first conceive of it, men, and that includes going past 100
- 0:21with your prostate gland in your body.
- 0:24We need to figure out how to live with this instead of boxing
- 0:28our way into an anxiety frenzy. It's just a horrible thing to do
- 0:36to any man. I'm talking about a prostate
- 0:38biopsy. The hidden risks.
- 0:42Yeah, we'll talk about those, too.
- 0:44But the obvious ones, it is painful.
- 0:49I don't care what they tell you. It's not a simple, quick
- 0:52procedure. Talk to the men who've had it
- 0:55done. It hurts and the pain can
- 0:57linger. Another potential risk
- 1:00infection, no matter if they go through the perineum or through
- 1:04the rectum. And this is a point of
- 1:06differentiation that loses the main focus.
- 1:11Whether they stick the needle through your butt or through the
- 1:14skin between your rectum and your, your genitalia, the
- 1:18perineum, it's not relevant to the fundamental reflection that
- 1:24it shouldn't be done. No biopsies, ever.
- 1:29Other hidden risks, erectile dysfunction, bladder
- 1:33dysfunction, urinary flow issues.
- 1:36You can't stick this trocar. It's not a little needle, guys.
- 1:41It's a trocar. And they don't just go it's,
- 1:45it's Machine Gun Kelly, baby. They're pumping 12 of those
- 1:48suckers in there. Bad enough, right?
- 1:50Infection, pain, bloody urine, potential obstruction.
- 1:56Men have been hospitalized with Abscess infections, life
- 2:00threatening level men have been hospitalized with in with
- 2:04obstruction of urinary flow. These are horrible things.
- 2:08Not that hidden but under emphasized.
- 2:11That's no big deal. So many times I've heard the
- 2:15story flow through some. One of my patients described it
- 2:20as a biopsy annuity. And there's another hidden risk.
- 2:24Now you're on the treadmill. If the biopsy comes back normal,
- 2:30well, you know, we got to check it again.
- 2:33Things could change. Another problem with biopsies.
- 2:37Boy, do I I just. There is a critical study called
- 2:42the Protect T trial that informs much of the reflection upon the
- 2:48futility, uselessness and harm of prostate biopsies, which
- 2:54we'll get to. But as far as the hidden risks,
- 2:58the ones that they don't tell you about, they make it seem
- 3:01like it's just like getting your car washed.
- 3:04It's just a quickie in and out, in and out.
- 3:07One of the biggest hidden risks is ambiguity.
- 3:11There's nothing that is definitive about the result.
- 3:14It comes back. There's not cancer.
- 3:16Yeah, but it could be the reason they did the biopsy in the 1st
- 3:19place. You had an elevated PSA.
- 3:22Well, it's still going to be elevated.
- 3:24You had an abnormal MRI. Well, it's still going to be
- 3:27abnormal. And guess what, men, every year
- 3:30we live, the likelihood of developing atypical dormant
- 3:35cells, that's what I call sleeping cells within the
- 3:38prostate gland. It increases so you're not out
- 3:42of the woods. And if they show evidence of
- 3:45cancer, it does not inform the decision about what comes next.
- 3:50There is not a single screening test, not a blood test, not a
- 3:56genetic test, not a biopsy that is correlated with a treatment
- 4:02that is shown to actually prevent men from dying of
- 4:05prostate cancer. None, none of these.
- 4:08Everything is based on intuition, speculation, and hope
- 4:13without evidence. Now, I don't mind a lack of
- 4:16definitive evidence regarding an outcome, as long as they don't
- 4:20have to hurt you to achieve that objective.
- 4:23Biopsies hurt. And here's a big one folks.
- 4:27I don't care what they tell you. You stick a trocar, you make a
- 4:33bloody mess out of a cancer. Cellular escape can happen.
- 4:39Cellular escape can scatter, can go to other organs, like
- 4:44dandelion seeds blowing in the wind, planting themselves in the
- 4:48bone, in the liver. They will tell you that there's
- 4:51no evidence that that occurs, that it's a myth, that it's
- 4:53unlikely to happen, all of which is not true.
- 4:57There's no evidence that it has happened.
- 4:59Technically, that's, I suppose, correct.
- 5:02No evidence, proof. But they've never done the
- 5:05study. They've never done a study to
- 5:08see if it's actually making things worse.
- 5:10I have borne witness to case studies where a man was
- 5:13percolating along, gets a biopsy done, and all of a sudden his
- 5:16PSA takes off. Coincidence.
- 5:20There are research papers in the medical literature documenting a
- 5:25correlation between needle trocar metastatic disease, over
- 5:3190 of them in the last five years.
- 5:33And some of those are related to prostate cancer.
- 5:36There's a case report of a man who had prostate cancer
- 5:40implanted into his rectum after a biopsy.
- 5:44So this is not purely theoretical, guys.
- 5:47It's real. So you've got a man.
- 5:51Feels great. I feel fine.
- 5:53Yeah, but your PSA is elevated. We better do a biopsy just to
- 5:56see. Stop.
- 5:59There are plenty of ways to look at that gland without sticking a
- 6:03trocar, and I've talked to men that have had never felt the
- 6:07same after the biopsy. This is a major trauma to a
- 6:11vital gland that is central to our masculine well-being.
- 6:16You don't trifle with it without compelling reason.
- 6:20The biopsy gives us no upside merit.
- 6:24And here's one of the biggest features, one of the biggest
- 6:26reasons I don't like the biopsy. You take a totally healthy man,
- 6:31you biopsy him, you label him, you now have prostate cancer in
- 6:38almost every circumstance. I would say that's a gross
- 6:44exaggeration. We're confusing atypical dormant
- 6:49cells, which have some potential to progress with actual cancer.
- 6:56Those are two very separate things.
- 6:58You take a totally healthy man, you tell me as cancer we better
- 7:02take out your gland. Don't you want us to cut out the
- 7:06cancer? Good Lord, the anxiety levels.
- 7:09These poor men are in panic. You poor men are in panic.
- 7:12First thing, stop. Breathe.
- 7:16Do nothing. Do nothing.
- 7:18You owe it to yourself, to your partner, wife, spouse, friend,
- 7:23family to maintain your temperance and to really gather
- 7:30information. What we know.
- 7:34So the Protect T trial was published in 2023.
- 7:39That study looked at men who had prostate cancer and they divided
- 7:46them into three groups. These are all men that had
- 7:49biopsies, which, by the way, I recommend you never do.
- 7:52But for the sake of the study, it's informative.
- 7:54And it is really, in my view, the most important study
- 7:59regarding prostate cancer yet published.
- 8:02It should have been a Seminole moment of dramatic change in how
- 8:07we approach this process, but it hasn't been.
- 8:12It's been largely set aside. Tomorrow some poor son of a gun
- 8:18is getting at a biopsy. Tomorrow some poor man is going
- 8:22to stare into the eyes of his urologist and tell him we have
- 8:26to do something before this cancer gets spread.
- 8:33All right, so here are the facts, guys.
- 8:36The protect T trial, three groups, one group did active
- 8:41monitoring. That's Med speak for nothing.
- 8:45You have prostate cancer. We biopsy proven that, but we're
- 8:49not going to do anything. We're just going to biopsy
- 8:52periodically and kind of see what happens.
- 8:55Another group got radiation therapy and a third group had
- 8:58the gland removed. They compared the three groups.
- 9:02The goal Does surgery or radiation decrease the death
- 9:06rate from prostate cancer compared to doing nothing 10
- 9:12years later? No difference in the death rate
- 9:15from prostate cancer in all three groups.
- 9:18None that was curious. So they said, you know what,
- 9:23let's push it out to 15 years. We think at 15 years will be a
- 9:26point of separation. 15 years go by, no difference guys. 0 none,
- 9:33nada. Get the Glen removed.
- 9:36A lifetime erectile difficulty, urinary leakage, but no decrease
- 9:41in your risk of dying of prostate cancer.
- 9:44What gives? I give a lot of credit to Doctor
- 9:50Hamdi and the others who conceived of and put forth the
- 9:54study. And when I read the study, I
- 9:56looked for who sponsored it. I always do that.
- 9:59Not shockingly, I didn't see any drug companies behind it.
- 10:04It's in their interest to foment anxiety in order to propel, in
- 10:10my view, a lot of harmful and ultimately counterproductive
- 10:15therapy. There's a hidden biopsy, hidden
- 10:18biopsy risk. You think a perfectly healthy
- 10:21man feels great one day. Now you label him with cancer.
- 10:24You have cancer. It colors his life.
- 10:28It shouldn't. Here's another fact fact
- 10:32research based from the Protect T trial, the 15 year survival
- 10:39from prostate cancer. Now the men in this study were
- 10:42not all early, early stage. Based upon the analysis of the
- 10:47study, 30% of them, well they were all early stage, but 30% of
- 10:51them had moderate level risk disease.
- 10:55So these weren't all categorized as the utmost simplest forms.
- 11:00Anyhow, 15 years later, the survival rate from all forms of
- 11:04prostate cancer, those that enter without metastatic
- 11:07disease. Mind you, we're not talking
- 11:09about men who show up day one with cancer in the bone. 97%
- 11:14survival rate after 15 years, 97% including the men who did
- 11:23nothing. So take your time.
- 11:27When they tell you this is an emergency, it's not.
- 11:30When they tell you you have to get the gland out before it
- 11:32spreads, that's misleading. In fact, in 30% of the men who
- 11:37had the gland removed, there was already evidence of extension
- 11:41beyond the gland itself. This gentleman is a cellular
- 11:45disease. The hidden risk of the biopsy,
- 11:48in addition to all the trauma, all the infections, all the
- 11:52pain, all the misery, days out of work, days you're not going
- 11:56to fish, days you're not going to have sex with your partner.
- 11:59All those things are relevant. Life is precious.
- 12:02It's short. Each day matters.
- 12:05I want you to spend a day suffering needlessly because of
- 12:10a robotic, methodical, intuitive treatment pathway that has
- 12:15evolved over decades without evidence of benefit.
- 12:19It's powerful. I understand what I'm saying.
- 12:24I understand the implication. That's why we've developed the
- 12:27Pederuti protocol. My protocol does not evolve
- 12:31biopsies. It does not involve castration.
- 12:34It does not involve blocking your hormones.
- 12:37It does not involve radiation surgery.
- 12:40The body, our bodies have a remarkable capacity for self
- 12:45healing. Your body is actively fighting
- 12:49cancer every day, does it every day quite successfully.
- 12:54Because we know that cancer is cellular and we know that these
- 13:00atypical dormant cells reside within the prostate gland behind
- 13:06a capsule. Do not Pierce the capsule.
- 13:10Do not stick trocars in there. Listen, guys, if you've already
- 13:13had that done, I do not want to amplify your anxiety.
- 13:18This is a real consequence of the biopsy process.
- 13:22Not only the biopsy, but the way it's interpreted to men, the
- 13:26PSA, the way that's interpreted to men, your PS as relevant.
- 13:29We must do a biopsy. Absolutely not.
- 13:35Mark yourself absent. Be mentally prepared.
- 13:38Your primary care doc says my PSA, Your PSA is elevated.
- 13:41I don't even think you'd go see a urologist.
- 13:44You know what they're going to say.
- 13:46Like most of them are going to play the same note on the piano.
- 13:51It's what they were trained to do, right?
- 13:53It is entrenched. It's really, really hard to get
- 13:58doctors to change their pattern of doing something.
- 14:02It's been said that if you want a doctor to understand his
- 14:06position is wrong and yours is correct, wait for him to die.
- 14:11They're going to be hard to move.
- 14:13They're going to be hard to move.
- 14:15But this evidence, it's there. It's irrefutable.
- 14:18It's tangible, what I'm sharing with you.
- 14:21Yeah, it's my opinion, but it's research informed, no biopsy,
- 14:26hidden risk anxiety. So in the study, the Protect T
- 14:29trial, some of the men in the active surveillance flipped into
- 14:35treatment. Why?
- 14:38They flipped by and large, because of anxiety.
- 14:42This is a horrible mental consequence to tell a man, yeah,
- 14:46we think you have prostate cancer.
- 14:48Next question, Doc, What can I do about that?
- 14:51Well, we can irradiate you. A ghastly thing you should never
- 14:55do. I don't care if they put seeds,
- 14:58targeted radiation. It's all nonsense, it's all
- 15:01harmful. It's all playing upon your fear
- 15:05and the hope that somehow they can target it.
- 15:10No, these are cells. They're cells.
- 15:13They can't target the radiation to cells.
- 15:16Anyhow, you don't want to have that anxiety because what
- 15:20happened to the men in the study, A lot of them said, I
- 15:23can't put up with this, but just take it out.
- 15:26Just take it out. If you're that mentally
- 15:30duressed, it may be a reasonable decision, but give yourself
- 15:35time. After one year, the men in the
- 15:38active surveillance of men who did nothing, the anxiety levels
- 15:41tended to go down and they tended to go down because men
- 15:45started to realize I'm not dying, nothing awful is
- 15:49happening. I can stay the course.
- 15:53I can maintain my health and avoid all the consequences that
- 15:57befall the following the bread crumbs down the path of the
- 16:03biopsy. Don't you want to know if you
- 16:06have cancer or not? Yeah, probably.
- 16:11Probably like to know that. But most importantly, what
- 16:15action can be taken and do you need to dig at the tissue to get
- 16:20the answer? Absolutely not.
- 16:23We can make this diagnosis to a reasonable degree of certainty
- 16:27without causing you harm. PS AM RI clinical history.
- 16:32And most importantly, get to a health supportive pathway with
- 16:39collateral benefit to well-being without doing harm.
- 16:42So the hidden risk of a biopsy More numerous than I can count,
- 16:47but I think a big part of this is a psychological duress.
- 16:52I get it. It's an existential horror,
- 16:56right? Someday we're going to die.
- 16:58I like to not think about that. I like to perceive myself as
- 17:01being, well, like kind of immortal.
- 17:05I don't think it's likely to happen.
- 17:07That is, I do believe that at some point, odds are, based upon
- 17:11my research and clinical experience, that I might die,
- 17:15although I contend that a human being should be aspiring to live
- 17:21120 years. I know that's a bold statement,
- 17:24but it's not pure hyperbole. We need to be targeting
- 17:28ourselves to stay vital. Nothing is ever achieved unless
- 17:33you first conceive of it, men, and that includes going past 100
- 17:38with your prostate gland in your body.
- 17:41We need to figure out how to live with this instead of boxing
- 17:44our way into an anxiety frenzy and see if there's anything else
- 17:50hidden. I can think about prostate
- 17:52biopsies other than the treadmill of misery, The
- 17:57recurrence, sequential biopsying to see what's going on is
- 18:02absolutely silly. We know what's going on.
- 18:06Your prostate's enlarged. The MRI shows us you have
- 18:08nodules. OK, let's look at it again in a
- 18:10year, see what it looks like. We got time.
- 18:14You have time. There is no evidence that
- 18:18supports early intervention with any conventional treatment such
- 18:24that it'll prevent you or delay the onset of metastatic disease
- 18:29to the bone or death from prostate cancer.
- 18:33In fact, even when the cancer, if the cancer becomes
- 18:37metastatic, which in some cases it will do to some people, the
- 18:41majority will never get to that level.
- 18:45But if you get to that level, it's not a death sentence.
- 18:49The majority of men with metastatic prostate cancer to
- 18:53the bone don't actually die from it.
- 18:56There's lots that can be done. So my message to you is, in
- 19:02addition to the futility of the treatment pathway that the
- 19:07biopsy leads you towards, the procedure itself is harmful and
- 19:12inducing of false urgency. Now I get it, y'all got to live
- 19:18with yourselves. So my opinion should resonate
- 19:22with some of you and if it gives you the confidence to depart
- 19:27from the conventional stream of automaticity, good.
- 19:33On the other hand, if it doesn't and you're comforted by going
- 19:37down that pathway, that's most important.
- 19:41What I most hope for you men is that you have choices.
- 19:46How you want to live, how you choose to manage your life
- 19:49should be giving you flexibility, should never be
- 19:52forced or told emotionally coerced or otherwise misguided
- 19:57based upon false anxiety. All right, so biopsies, No, why
- 20:04not? I think we've cleared.
- 20:07I think we've covered that. All right.
- 20:09Listen guys, thanks for your time.
- 20:11We'll talk again soon. See you then.