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JRE MMA Show #187 with Robert Whittaker · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: All right. What's up, Robert? Good to see you, brother.
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  Speaker 3: What's happening?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. And I want
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  Speaker 4: to thank you for last night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my pleasure. Glad you had a good time.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing the show was just unbelievable. It was my first
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  Speaker 4: time at a comedy club.
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  Speaker 3: Ever? Ever. Oh, wow. Yeah, it blew my mind. There's
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  Speaker 3: some good comedy clubs in Australia. In Sydney, they have
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  Speaker 3: the Comics Lounge. That's a great spot. Yeah, no, I've
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  Speaker 3: heard of them.
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  Speaker 4: I just never found the time to try and juggle it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how the fuck you guys have time
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  Speaker 3: for anything. And you have a bunch of kids, married,
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  Speaker 3: an actual life outside of fighting. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: you have any time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of the balancing act, isn't it? That's why
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  Speaker 4: you see, that's why I have nothing but respect for
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  Speaker 4: the guys that hang in there and fight for any
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  Speaker 4: long amount of years is because life goes on around it.
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  Speaker 4: And from when I started like 20, I had no
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  Speaker 4: kids to when I'm now married with six kids and
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  Speaker 4: mortgages and life, you know, you kind of juggle it around,
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  Speaker 4: just balancing act.
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  Speaker 3: What a big shift. 20 single kids. Wild man just
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  Speaker 3: out there fighting. And now here you are, six kids, mortgage, businesses. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you've got this supplement thing you're doing now with Musashi.
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  Speaker 3: You've got your own supplement line. So it's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of work, man. It's a lot. A lot of activity.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of things going on. A lot of balls juggling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to stay busy, though, right? It's like idle hands,
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  Speaker 4: especially with someone. And you'd get this, like, when, I guess, like,
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  Speaker 4: with performance sports and, like, the guillotine is kind of
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  Speaker 4: always over your head, right? So you've kind of always
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  Speaker 4: got to stay busy, keep moving. It's like a shark. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 4: you just kind of drown.
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  Speaker 3: For sure, especially in combat sports, especially considering the fact
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  Speaker 3: that even in the outlier end, you only have a
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  Speaker 3: certain amount of time. Like the true outliers in the sport,
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the true outliers in the sport
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  Speaker 3: right now is Jared Cannoneer. He's one of the outliers
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  Speaker 3: because that dude is, how old is he now? 41, 42, somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: How old is Jared Cannoneer, young Jamie?
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  Speaker 4: 42.
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  Speaker 3: 42, still shredded.
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  Speaker 4: Like anybody's business.
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  Speaker 3: Still shredded. Still works out like a fucking demon. Still
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  Speaker 3: has insane cardio and drive. Still wins fights in the trenches. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like that fight with Gregory Rodriguez. He was getting blasted
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  Speaker 3: in that first round. It looked bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Comes on and wins it in the trenches and stops him.
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  Speaker 3: Even when he loses, it's not like... Not by much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's not by much at all. Like when he lost
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  Speaker 3: to Robocop. Yeah. It was like... When did he lose
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  Speaker 3: to him? Did he lose to him? Because he just
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  Speaker 3: beat him recently.
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  Speaker 5: Did he? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Who did he lose to then? Because Gregory Rodriguez is Robocop.
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  Speaker 3: So he just stopped him recently. He was getting beaten
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  Speaker 3: up in the first round. And Robocop is one of
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  Speaker 3: those guys that cuts.
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  Speaker 4: It was like a kind of controversial stoppage.
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  Speaker 3: I forget who it was. Oh, I know who you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about. It wasn't him. It was... God, what was the...
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  Speaker 3: What was the one that... I think it was Imovov. Maybe, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I think Imovov was the... Go back to that, please.
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  Speaker 4: Look at the amount of fights he's had since then.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the one that's in my head fresh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember the one that was a controversial stoppage.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was Imovov. 90% sure.
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  Speaker 4: Michael Page was a bad fight for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a bad fight for him. Michael Page
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  Speaker 3: seems like.
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  Speaker 4: The most annoying guy to fight ever.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, dude. Well, first of all, when he was at,
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  Speaker 3: I think 170 is really his weight class. And he's
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  Speaker 3: also another guy that's like, he's 40 now or 39.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when he was at 170, fucking good luck.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck even touching that cat. Too fast. Too fast,
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  Speaker 3: too much movement. But he kept his speed at 185, too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he did. Well, I think the thing about 185, though,
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  Speaker 3: is the grapplers. If they get a hold of him,
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  Speaker 3: it's just a different world. Because that's the only guy
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  Speaker 3: that ever beat him in the UFC was Ian Gary.
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  Speaker 3: And the way he did it was by grappling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And just counter-striking, setting up his shots.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. He's just, I've always said, I said
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  Speaker 3: it from early on, that I think that that's a
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  Speaker 3: missing link in MMA is point fighting. These guys who
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  Speaker 3: really know how to do that style and then learn
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  Speaker 3: the other things. Because that style is so, you cover
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  Speaker 3: so much distance so quickly and they're so good at
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  Speaker 3: avoiding shots and then leaping in and they're so good
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  Speaker 3: at timing and scoring. And if you could score with
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  Speaker 3: one shot like those guys do, they leap in and
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  Speaker 3: score with one, if you're a good combination fighter Once
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  Speaker 3: you connect once, then the other shots can flow from
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  Speaker 3: that if you develop that style on top of that
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  Speaker 3: original point fighting style. 100%.
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  Speaker 4: And, like, the huge factor in all this is, like,
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  Speaker 4: they're such small gloves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. A touch can stop you. Yep. Like, that's all
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  Speaker 3: you need.
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  Speaker 4: And that's kind of been my approach with how my
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  Speaker 4: fight style is just to be fast.
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  Speaker 3: Be fast. Just land my hands. Well, you have a
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  Speaker 3: very similar style in a lot of ways. Like, very
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  Speaker 3: wide stance style. You blitz a lot. You leap in
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  Speaker 3: and leap out very fast and agile. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that's a great style also to avoid. Some guys, you
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  Speaker 3: see these fights where they just fucking stand right in
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  Speaker 3: front of each other. Some guys thrive on it. It's
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  Speaker 3: like that's their thing. They like to just stand in
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  Speaker 3: the pocket and blast it out. But for how long?
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me if you think he's an outlier as well.
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  Speaker 3: Is that King Green? Oh, God. Super outlier.
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  Speaker 4: Because I wasn't on his wagon, but then Then he
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  Speaker 4: changed his name. It's like he started going downhill and
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  Speaker 4: like everyone was just like, okay, he's going to just
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  Speaker 4: fade into obscurity. You know, let's leave it as that.
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  Speaker 3: He changes his name. Starts piecing people up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Starts winning by TKOs. And you're like, he's back.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so back. At 40. Yeah. I know. He's, well,
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  Speaker 3: he just has a real love of the game. He
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  Speaker 3: really does love fighting. He loves it. Again, an evasion fighter.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And weird style, hands down. Yeah. And you think he's
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  Speaker 3: there and the punches are coming at weird angles.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's popping you from all sorts of ways and talking
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  Speaker 3: shit the entire time. Like, I can't believe this guy's
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  Speaker 3: talking shit to me.
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  Speaker 4: I've never understood guys that can do that. Like Holland.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of the best. I remember. I was watching.
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  Speaker 4: He was doing some research for the next card. And
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  Speaker 4: he was setting up a basketball game with one of
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  Speaker 4: the guys he was fighting.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I was... It just blows my mind.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how you can get in that headspace
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  Speaker 4: because when I'm in there, I'm on the roller coaster
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  Speaker 4: of pain.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just angry. Well, he's having fun. You said something
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  Speaker 3: interesting last night. You said a happy Robert is fucking
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  Speaker 3: dangerous Robert. We were talking about Carlos Prates and how
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  Speaker 3: Carlos Prates looks like he's always having fun in there.
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  Speaker 3: He's so relaxed. We were talking about his time in
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  Speaker 3: Thailand when he moved there and he essentially had Over
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  Speaker 3: the course of something like six years, he had 100
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  Speaker 3: Muay Thai fights and kickboxing fights, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: That's wild because Muay Thai is so damaging on the body.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's hell. But because of that, he developed this
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  Speaker 3: very loose, relaxed style, very aggressive, but also just very
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  Speaker 3: comfortable inside of the octagon.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't get that kind of fight or flight response anymore.
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  Speaker 4: He just turns up. and he's just accustomed to it.
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  Speaker 4: He lives in that space. But, because everyone's waiting, I
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  Speaker 4: guess not everyone, it's like everybody that, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how to phrase it, it's like, Everybody that doesn't drink
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  Speaker 4: and smoke before a fight is waiting for it to
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  Speaker 4: catch up with him so they can justify why they
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  Speaker 4: don't drink.
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  Speaker 3: And smoke, right?
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  Speaker 4: Because I guarantee if I started drinking and smoking before
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  Speaker 4: a fight, I'm gone. Within seconds, within seconds, I'm gassing
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  Speaker 4: on the walkout and then I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Wake up in the ER.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that guy parties.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's smoking cigarettes the day of the fight.
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  Speaker 3: The locker room. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: People are like, you can't smoke back here. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy. Like, the UFC staff must be bewildered. Like,
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  Speaker 4: just to see him. And he's like, I think he
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  Speaker 4: said in one of his interviews, I trained really hard
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  Speaker 4: for this fight. I haven't drank for two weeks or
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  Speaker 4: something like that. I was like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good effort, man. Commitment. I wonder how much of an
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  Speaker 3: edge that takes off of you physically. versus what it
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  Speaker 3: gives you psychologically to just be able to chill out
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  Speaker 3: every night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I guess that's what we were discussing last night.
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  Speaker 4: What's the balance, the tipping point for that? Because it's like,
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  Speaker 4: whilst he's happy and he's loose and limber and he
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  Speaker 4: feels invincible, there are detrimental effects to all this stuff
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  Speaker 4: he's doing. But then fighting is a funny sport, isn't
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  Speaker 4: it though? Because it's not like sprinting where, You build
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  Speaker 4: up this machine to run at your maximum. There is
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  Speaker 4: so many variables working against you. And like how many
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  Speaker 4: times have we seen just nobodies, out of shape dudes
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  Speaker 4: just come in but know how to throw.
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  Speaker 3: A punch and just win by starching people? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's just a funny sport.
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  Speaker 3: It's a crazy sport. And sometimes if you're not worried,
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  Speaker 3: even though you should be worried, that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's guys that it's like ignorance is bliss. They
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  Speaker 3: come in just fucking wild haymakers that shouldn't land, and
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  Speaker 3: they do land. And all of a sudden, the guy's out,
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  Speaker 3: and they got their arms up in the air, and
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  Speaker 3: everybody's like, what the fuck just happened? That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: It happens too often.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Too often.
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  Speaker 3: Especially with the little gloves.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I'm sweating and grinding away, trying to
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  Speaker 4: get better. And you get these guys that can just
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  Speaker 4: turn up and just.
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  Speaker 3: Just touch of death people. Yeah, well, there's that too.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting because you're a power puncher. You're a power kicker.
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  Speaker 3: But there's like– there's people that have a weird power, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's like it doesn't even– like Pereira.
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  Speaker 4: Ngannou power.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ngannou or– You know, there's Damien Pinas. You know
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  Speaker 3: that dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ. Yes, yes. Uberg. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Uberg's got crazy power. He can just switch people off.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy power, yeah. That Yuri fight?
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  Speaker 4: That last Yuri fight?
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  Speaker 3: Blown out leg.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness. And Yuri? Like, oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Yuri needs a psychologist. He needs someone to talk to
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  Speaker 3: him and say, we have to have strategies. Okay, you're
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  Speaker 3: a seek and kill fighter. When a guy's hurt, You
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  Speaker 3: can't be upset that he's hurt and then try to
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  Speaker 3: give him some concessions. It was like he was part
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  Speaker 3: of an anime. He was in his own show. And
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  Speaker 3: there was rain in the background in his head.
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  Speaker 4: There was rain in the background and there's mud and
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  Speaker 4: there's sweat. Thunder.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't there.
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  Speaker 4: And then he hit him with that touch of death
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  Speaker 4: that he's got on that left hook, man.
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  Speaker 3: That left hook is a weapon. Yes. Such a whip, man.
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  Speaker 3: And what's really crazy is that is the only punch
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  Speaker 3: that's available if your other leg is blown out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's the only punch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because you can pivot off that leg.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of crazy if you really think
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  Speaker 3: about it. He's got one option. Yeah. Yeah, he's got
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  Speaker 3: one option, and he just... So he's still moving around
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  Speaker 3: pretty decent, even with a fucked up leg. But then
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  Speaker 3: you see it, like, as he gets leg kicked, he
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  Speaker 3: stumbles back. He just can't move properly. When he wants
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  Speaker 3: to move and he can control it, he's fine. But
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  Speaker 3: it's like chaotic defensive movements back and forth where you're
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  Speaker 3: shifting oddly on your legs. That's where a blown out
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  Speaker 3: ACL really fucks you. Was it his right leg or
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  Speaker 3: his left leg that was fucked up in that fight?
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  Speaker 3: I want to say his left. I think it's his
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  Speaker 3: right because that would make sense why he could throw
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  Speaker 3: the left hook. Yes, yes, yes. Because he could still
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  Speaker 3: pivot off that leg. Yes. Oh, you see it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's his right leg. You see it pinning. But then, like,
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  Speaker 3: even when Yuri backs him to the fence, like, Carlos
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  Speaker 3: has one punch there. Yeah, that's it. One punch. Just
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  Speaker 3: the left hook. One punch. Like, right here, you can see, like, Yuri's.
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  Speaker 3: And Yuri's still in that space. Oh, there it is. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Yuri in that, like, maybe I'm thinking about it differently
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  Speaker 3: because in that moment, so that's post the injury when
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  Speaker 3: Yuri realized he had the injury. But in that moment,
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  Speaker 3: it did look like Yuri was moving in for the kill.
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  Speaker 3: But you just– you can't throw caution to the wind
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  Speaker 3: with a guy like Carlos because Carlos Holberg could just
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  Speaker 3: start you. Yeah, that's where he blew his leg out.
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  Speaker 3: You see it go like wobble. Yeah, you see it
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  Speaker 3: like vibration through it. That's horrible. That's especially– I think
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  Speaker 3: very– like.
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  Speaker 4: It's super vital– as a light heavyweight as well. Like
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  Speaker 4: the power of light heavyweights, and that was my head
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  Speaker 4: space moving in from middleweight. It's like everyone's got.
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  Speaker 3: Touch of death.
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  Speaker 4: That's why the fights, like a lot of light heavyweight
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  Speaker 4: fights are out, because they're still fast. Still fast enough
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  Speaker 4: to land, but they're just heavier guys.
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  Speaker 3: Bigger punches. You just can't play games like that. There's
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  Speaker 3: only a few guys that are, like, smaller. Like, Mirzakhanov
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  Speaker 3: is a good example of a guy who's been real
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  Speaker 3: successful as a light heavyweight, as a smaller guy. Azamat. Yeah. Azamat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: The guy that lost to Costa.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He's fighting a seed this weekend. He is. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Against Reyes.
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  Speaker 3: Is he really 5'10? Yeah, he's small for a light
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  Speaker 3: heavyweight and doesn't look ripped. Like he carries a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but so skillful.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He's so slick, man. And aggressive with his shots. When
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  Speaker 3: you see Paul Acosta fight him at light heavyweight, you're like, Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: how come Paul Acosta wasn't a light heavyweight the whole time? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's a guy where it just completely made sense where
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  Speaker 3: he went up to light heavyweight. I'm like, you look
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  Speaker 3: like a light heavyweight, man. Especially with his, like, the
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  Speaker 3: few times he lost, he missed weight.
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  Speaker 4: And was struggling for weight cuts and stuff. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like for a long period there, he was kind of
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  Speaker 4: finding his feet. And then he found his feet just
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  Speaker 4: in time to fight me. And he came out like
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  Speaker 4: with super cardio and like super quick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great fight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I got spinning
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  Speaker 4: heel kicked.
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  Speaker 3: That was great. But you were one of the few
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  Speaker 3: dudes that I've ever seen get spinning heel kicked and
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  Speaker 3: survive it. You know, like that's a crazy kick to
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  Speaker 3: get cracked with. Oh, yeah, I'll take it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll take that. Yeah, that's a funny kick too because, like,
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  Speaker 4: it's so hard to prepare for because it's not a
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  Speaker 4: kick you can– for one, it's not a kick he
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  Speaker 4: throws very often.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not one you can really train in the workroom.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Because you can't train it full clip because you
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  Speaker 3: can't pull it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't pad it up or anything like
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  Speaker 4: that with your boots, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And even I remember, I remember being in there and
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  Speaker 4: seeing him start to do that turn. And there's that
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  Speaker 4: one split second, because I've never seen it before, where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: And then my legs are gone. I'm doing funny, funny things.
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  Speaker 3: There's a moment where Michael Venom Page was talking about
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  Speaker 3: this crazy training partner that he has, this guy who
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  Speaker 3: was like elite in the gym but never quite could
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  Speaker 3: put it together in the cage. And he's sparring with him,
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  Speaker 3: and there's this weird moment where he's like, what is
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: he doing? And he realized he's doing a front flip
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: to an axe kick. And as he's realizing it, he
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: just instinctively does that and blocks it. But just completely
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: on instinct. Like, why would you be expecting a guy
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: to do a front flip to an axe kick?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: It's like a rolling thunder, isn't it?
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Dude, but it's crazy. That's like a wheel kick, but
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: it's similar. But when this guy does it, he does
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: it to a heavy bag. Do you remember that guy's.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Name, Jamie?
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: He's got a video of someone doing that. I don't, but.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: There's a video of him doing it. Well, that's similar.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: That's Miguel Torres early in his UFC. That's who that is, right?
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you, if someone does this kick to me,
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I'm taking it straight between the eyes.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: But this guy did it and do it with a roll.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: He did it. That's it. Michael Vanipage was talking about
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: that guy. That this guy did... The way he could
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: do it, he could do it on the bag and, like,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: hit the bag with a front flip axe kick. And,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, who the fuck can do that, man?
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm... I'm blowing out both hamstrings trying to do this.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Is this not available?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Facebook's video thing sucks.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. There's a video that he... There it is.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: There's the guy.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: He lands on his feet.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, dude. Watch that. It's like a Street Fighter move.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it's a real move. It doesn't
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: seem like anybody could do it. And it's fast. Fast
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: as fuck, dude. Fast as fuck and the dude lands it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Look at that. He lands it as an axe kick.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: And he practices it on the back.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I'm taking that straight between your eyes.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: There is no way.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Luckily for me, I don't think anyone in the light
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: heavyweight division is going to be doing that stuff.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: There's the dude's name. Galore Bofando. Watch this guy. He's
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: so fucking athletic, man. This is literally crazy. Wow. He actually, he,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: oh God, these fucking pop-ups. Fuck off with your pop-ups.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's levels, right? Like, I've always said that
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: if you can get someone who's a gymnast and teach them.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: There he is right there. You can see it again.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Watch how he does this, man. This is fucking crazy.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: That is so crazy.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: What's crazy is, like, he lands and still lands on
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: his feet.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, like a cat.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Lands perfectly and then slides back into a perfect stance. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: It's nuts.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: My knees are hurting watching him land.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I know. Dude, I hurt my back in the shower today.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I worked out. I worked out. I hit the bag.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I punched the bag. Kicked the bag. Had this great
• 18:26
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• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Feeling great. Got in the shower. Taking a shower before
• 18:33
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• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Doing nothing. Just fucking washing myself. Age creeps. I'm still
• 18:49
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• 18:52
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  Speaker 2: it's also this. I think there's these little micro injuries
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: that you're not totally aware of. And then you do
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: something and they just give.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Which makes sense because I was throwing a lot of
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: left hooks today and a lot of left switch kicks.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So I think I was just a lot on that side.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of that side. And so just washing,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I went, eh. It was just like this draw. It's
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: just so embarrassing to have a great hard workout, feel
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: real good about yourself. Got it in today. Strong as hell.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Or myself washing. Or myself washing myself. It's usually the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: way they're like.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I pick up so many silly injuries just trying to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: either play with the kids, for one, because I think
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: once you're over 35, you can't go into a dead
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: sprint from a stopped position without a 30-minute warm-up. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: need to warm up my hamstrings and everything before I'm
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: doing this. And if your kids challenge you to a race,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: especially if you've got boys, you've got to beat them.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: You can't let your boys beat you to a race.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: You have to. Last time I blew out my hamstring
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: was racing with my 15-year-old daughter in Italy. I blew
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: my hamstring out.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: 15 is getting a bit old, too.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: They're getting faster that way. I know, especially girls.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: She's light. Faster than her feet. My boys are all
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: under 11 still.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: So I can hobble along.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I don't need the full warm-up. I need a full
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: hamstring warm-up, stretch out before going.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I remember reading that Muhammad Ali would warm up for
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a full hour. before his workouts. He had a whole
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: system that he did. And one time, I did this
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: thing with Daniel Tosh for his TV show where I
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: trained him to take a punch from Manny Pacquiao. Manny
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: was being nice. He didn't really hit him. He kind
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: of just gave him a little thump. But anyway, we're
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: in the boxing gym, and I got to see Manny
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: work out. And he spends a crazy amount of time
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: warming up. There's all these band workouts that he does.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Everything is like very systematic. They're stretching him and moving him.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: He doesn't just get out there. He starts real slow,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: gets everything warmed up.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I think I've seen it. Like you can get mesmerized
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: watching his warmup. And then I think also his, his
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: ab program. It never stops. I'm like a 10 crunches
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: and I'm all right. Cause, cause if I'm getting body
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: shot and I'm not wearing it, it doesn't matter how
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: strong your abs are. You're going down.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Bro, he's a very unusual guy. He's an outlier as well. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. You know, he's a really
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: good pool player. Is he? Oh, yeah, like a professional
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: level pool player.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I love hearing, like, quirky, like, super talents.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, pool is gigantic in the Philippines.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I mean, it is way bigger than
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: it is in America. It's everywhere. And he has his
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: own pool hall in his compound, right? So he has
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: a compound in his home. I mean a full pool
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: hall with like 15 tables and all these people running
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: around and everyone's playing and they're gambling all over the place.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Everyone's gambling. They're all gambling. And while he's playing– this
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: is so crazy. So he's playing pool. And while he's playing,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: while his opponent's shooting, he's signing autographs. He has people
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: just bring him shit to sign so they can sell it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's like boxing gloves, pool cues, posters. He's signing things.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: It's your shot, Manny. Oh, he goes over and plays.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And then he's playing a game of chess. So he's
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: got a game of chess going on. He's sitting down
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: playing chess. He makes his move. His opponent makes his move.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Runs over. Runs a few balls. Runs over in between that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Signing things down. This is exactly his room. So, look,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: he's got his chessboard that's right by the pool table.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Then he's making shots. And then he goes and sits down.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And then in the middle of that, he's signing things.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: It's fucking insane to watch, man. I'm getting anxiety watching.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: He's just constantly moving. And the pool room is just
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: filled with people. They're all moving around, but he plays
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: real good. Like, real good.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: You know, if he's turning up with a glove, don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: bet on that table.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But it's like he knows how to play. It's not
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: just like pocketing balls. Like, he gets excellent position. But
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: like I said, pool in the Philippines is gigantic. It's
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: like it's a huge sport. And he's, you know, deeply
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: involved in it. Like, he has his own pool hall.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: That's in the Philippines, like a huge place. And, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: they do a big pool tournament with him every year.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Where does he get the time?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And then he still works out full time.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He still works out. Like he's still trying to fight.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I think he boxed this year, didn't he?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: He did. Yeah. And he's trying to fight someone like
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: world class right now. He's trying to get like a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: real like world class fight instead of like fighting. You know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: you think when a guy gets into his late 40s. Yeah. Probably,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: you know, have some, like Mayweather's doing. Yeah. Yeah. He
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: fights influencers, MMA fighters, shit like that. Not Manny. Manny's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: looking to get another world title fight.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: How?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah, I mean, I guess he just never
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: lost whatever it is.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: If you're playing pool and chess at the same time.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is that guy's brain. It's not a stretch.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And it's super accommodating. Like, signing all these autographs for people. Like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: everybody's running over to him with boxes of shit for
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: him to sign so they could go sell it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I'm surprised at how many fighters in general like chess.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I know it's a tactical, it's a strategy. But it's just.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: It surprises me, like, the guy's like, I'll go... Like
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I'll go to the gym and I'll train with some
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: of the boys and they are just, they are ogres
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: with gloves on.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: But then in their downtime, they're just playing online chess
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and they're ranked like high.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Really? And I'm like, dude, you're a knucklehead. What are
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you doing?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I saw you open a can of Spam for lunch.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: What are you doing?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: And it just surprises me. You can't.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Always like judge a book by its cover, right?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I've thought about getting, do you play chess?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. Okay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought about getting into it and then I
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: went on like a deep rabbit hole of like the
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: game of chess and the art of strategy and all that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And then I realized like, there's just too much to learn. Right.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: It's like the first 20 moves or something like that
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: are already like in motion. Like everyone knows at a decent,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: decent clip, everyone knows the first 20 moves because that's
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: what you're supposed to do.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: And then everyone starts going off on different things. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh, Too much for me.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: It's a long road. And if you get addicted to it,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: that's going to suck up all your time. Because you
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: could just hop online and play people at any time
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: of the day. You could play the computer. You could
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: play real people. It's just too nuts. Yeah, yeah. But
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I get it. I really do get it. I understand it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And you could, like, really underestimate someone's intelligence just based
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: on what they look like. They just look like a
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: giant brute. Like, you ever talk to Josh Barnett?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: No, I haven't.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Former heavyweight champion. One of the smartest people I've ever met.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Super smart. Quotes Dostoevsky. Like, he's like off the top
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of his head. He's quoting these great works of literature
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and studies warriors and– Yeah, studies history, knows a lot
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: about whiskey, makes his own whiskey. Like, brilliant guy. Yeah. And,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you know, you look at him and you're like, this
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: is a fucking brute who's really into pro wrestling. Oh, really?
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, the athletic side of that sport is just unbelievable.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: These guys are elite athletes.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Right. Because you have to be, otherwise you'd kill yourself.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And those guys are taking a pounding. that people don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: recognize because they're on the road hundreds of days a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: year doing these shows in these local stadiums. So these
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: people come out to see them and they're doing these
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: big pro wrestling shows, but no one thinks about the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: fact that that's real damage. You're getting body slammed. You're
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: getting a concussion probably. You're definitely getting some CTE. A
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: hundred fucking percent.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And then they hop on the bus and they go
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to the next state and do it again. Right over.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: And do it again.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Right over the fucking bridge. Back at it. It's crazy.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: It's so hard on the body. All the old school
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: pro wrestlers that I've brought in here to talk to,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: they're all fucked up. Yeah. Everyone's just. Yeah. Well, before
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: he died, Hulk Hogan. I met him once years ago. Like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't meet him, but I said hi to him
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: outside of a cigar bar in Beverly Hills.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: It was fucking gigantic.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It was huge. I met him again when he did
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: my part. Well, I met him another time when I
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: interviewed him for Spike TV. He was only slightly smaller then.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And then I met him again when he did my podcast.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: He was significantly smaller because he keeps getting these fusions
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: on his back, right? So he's had like eight or nine.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: It's not funny.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: It's sad. It's fucked up.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I'm just picturing him like every time you meet him,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: he's just like.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Think about the space. That's why old men shrink, you know?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: One of the reasons why you shrink is you're losing
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: disc space. That's why I've gotten shorter over the years.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Your spine's compressing. Yeah, you get disc decompression or compression.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: It's called disc degeneration disease. But what it really is
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: is just pressure. It's just all that weight, especially for weightlifters.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: They all have disc compression. So his thing was he
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: would jump up in the air and drop down on
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: his ass. He would land on his ass and elbow you.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So all that weight. 300 plus pounds, boom, on his
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: ass every night.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: His whole spine just going, eek, eek. And so he
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: had to get his whole back. His whole back was
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: one rod.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: In recent years, have you fallen to your ass at
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: any point?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Like unprepared? I lay there for a while. I feel
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it all the way up to the top of my
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: base of my skull. Yeah, it's not good.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine what sort of damage. Well, I can imagine.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You can see it. Those guys all get fused up.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They all do. It's just, there's, there's no getting around.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Kurt Angle was here. His whole neck is just.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yo Romero. Yo Romero's neck is fused to his skull.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Another outlier. Dude, you told me that when you fought
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: him that you said it was like kicking metal.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: It's, I've never felt that way. I've never thrown a
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: calf kick and come off second best. Like, like I,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I calf kicked him and that was the last calf
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: kick I did. He didn't check it. Like, It just hurt.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: It just hurt.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: He's just, he's built different. He's just built different.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: His body is just built different. That's why he's, how
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: old is he?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: 49.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: 49.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: He just had a bad knuckle fight with Darren Till.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And he should have won. Props to Darren Till for Ben.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Props to Darren Till for taking that fight.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Bad knuckling Yo Romero. And he got dropped too.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Just.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Big fan of Till. Big fan of Till. Oh, he's
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: doing great in boxing.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I think he's found his niche.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I think. He's had knee issues, like significant knee issues
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: over the years that have really fucked with him when
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it comes to grappling. And I think what we got
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: to see in his best in the UFC, like the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Cowboy Cerrone fight, is his striking. His striking is very elite.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: He moves really well. And I think because of the
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: knee issues, boxing is just a way better choice. You
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: don't have to take into account the grappling. You're not
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: getting kicked in the knees. I just think his knees
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: are pretty fucked up.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I think that's why you see a lot of the
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: older guys that weren't really taking advantage of wrestling-wise earlier
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: in their career. But as they get older, they start
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: getting taken down, held down, beaten by decision or whatever.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: put on their back and kind of submitted there or
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: kept there. And I think that's because, I know this firsthand,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I can still do it because I've just been lucky, really. But,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and genetically, like that's a thing people don't realize. Hard
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: work will get you very, very far.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: But there is.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Like talent and genetics are a factor. 100%.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: A huge factor. Jon Jones is the ultimate merging of
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: talent and genetics. Like, yeah, exactly.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Like you can't, if you were going to build someone
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: in a lab, he'd come out with Jon Jones, man.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Talent, intelligence, and genes. It's like all those together.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: He's the perfect fighter.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The perfect fighter.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But, but yeah, I think as, like, as you get older, you,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Your knees, your joints start hurting. Injuries are more prevalent.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: You can't wrestle on the mats anymore as much as
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: you used to. You don't have that mat time. Right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: So that when you get in there with these younger
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: guys and they take you down or they start pushing
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: on the wrestling.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: You're just not there for it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And I also think that
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: a big part.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Of wrestling is what you do in the first second
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: of the engagement, of the takedown.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: It's like how that fighting, that fight.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: That's why you see a lot of young fighters that aren't,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: don't have a huge pedigree in wrestling, but they get
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: out of positions, they keep fighting, they work their way
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: back up because they're fighting and fighting and fighting, which
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: is another thing that kind of dims a little bit
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: as you get older.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Yes. You know what I mean? I think there's also
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: the protecting of your joints, right? Whereas you're young, you
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: just explode into things. When you're older, if you've had
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: a few meniscus surgeries or an ACL reconstruction or You
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: don't explode into things haphazardly anymore. You think about it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You can't. Yeah, you think about it. You position yourself
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: before you push off. Even just instinctively, you don't trust
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: your knee. Subconsciously. Whereas you're young, you're just fucking moving.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: You're not even thinking about your knees. You're scrambling. You're
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: trying to get up. You're fucking, you're not thinking of
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: ever protecting yourself.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Whereas you get a few surgeries, you get a few
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: blown out joints, you start protecting yourself.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And then there's these certain moments where you're like, look,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I can explode, but I might not get the best
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: out of it. Let me take a break here. Let
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: me go to my back and try to work myself
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: back in a position to stand up again.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's where the problems come. That's how you
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: get held down for the rest of the round and
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: lose that round or whatever.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Well, Drikus. Drikus and Hamzat. That was one of the
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: crazy examples of the gap in wrestling was gigantic. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Hamzat was the absolute worst case scenario opponent for him.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: People don't give it that fight and what Shamayev did
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: to Drikus enough to... like thought or space, because that
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: was unbelievable in a championship level fight to hold down
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: someone like Dracozoo, who couldn't do anything. He couldn't do anything.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: And he's a big, strong guy. At the worst case,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: you just flop around and push someone. But he just
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: kept getting put in that crucifix.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And held down, like taken advantage of. It was wild.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: When was the last time you saw someone in a
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: championship fight defending their world title? get put in the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: crucifix three fucking times. Never. Never. It's such a hard
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: move to get a guy in in the first place,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: to get a guy in three times. And a guy
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: who's a fucking bulldog like Trickus, that guy's huge.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: And it's not even, it wasn't like it was just
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: in the first round.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I just kept doing it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Throughout the whole fight, the things are getting sweaty, people
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: are getting tired, and he still just.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Kept getting put in. I can barely hold people in
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: a crucifix in a gi. to do it at that
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: like there then that's i know it's like people want
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: everything to be chaos and blood yes like you know
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that dude who just got cut farid basharat yes undefeated
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: yeah undefeated got cut and last time i talked to
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: him was inside the octagon was the last fight of
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: his career he's like you know when i was like
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're going to get another contract. I think
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I said that to him in the Octagon because he
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: was saying it's his last fight. He's undefeated. Didn't age well.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I don't like that. I don't like that thinking that
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: you have to be uber exciting.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: He's got a brother as well, right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I believe, and I'm not sure. Farid Basharat, see if
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: he has a brother.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I think he's got a brother as well.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: The guy's very skillful, obviously. He's undefeated. And they just
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: decided that they didn't like his style. Oh, he's a
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: PFL fighter. Okay, that's why. They just decided, I don't, okay,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I'm talking out of school. I didn't talk to Dana
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: or Sean Shelby or Mick Maynard. I don't know what happened.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But I didn't like it. I don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: like when a guy gets cut that wants to keep fighting.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: In the UFC, he's undefeated just because you think he's boring. Well,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: put him in with someone who's fucking exciting. Put him
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: in with someone who pushes him and makes it a
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: crazy fight. If a guy's fighting and winning, you keep
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: fighting and you keep winning. Are we saying that Hamzak
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: can't fight in the UFC anymore because of the Drikus
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: fight where he won the title, which a lot of
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: people thought was boring? I didn't think it was boring,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: but a lot of people thought it was boring.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: His brother had the— It wasn't undefeated, I don't think,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: but I had the same issue in February. One in contract.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: With the UFC?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with the UFC.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So he had one fight? I don't know how many fights.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I think he had a few. In the UFC?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he won through Dana White's Contender Series and had
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a few fights.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Man, I don't like that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I don't like guys not getting offered contracts because they
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: don't like their style. Everyone's trying to win. You're trying
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: to win a fight. Fights are fucking complicated. And this
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: idea that you're supposed to just be entertaining and put
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: your brain on the line and ignore your skill set.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Ignore your skill set, which is to avoid damage and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: to fight intelligently. Know when to engage. Know when your
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: gas tank is on E and you've got to play
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: it off a little bit and move around a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: bit and let your body recover. Like, This is what
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the game is. It's winning.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: If you look at your contracts as well, it's like
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: that to show and to win bonus. You get more
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: money winning.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Great example.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Good point. Very good point. That's the whole thing. If
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I could toe-stop my way to victory, I would.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: If I could do what Chamayev does, sometimes I'm jealous
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: of these guys that can just wrestle.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Right. Because they take no damage.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: No damage. And they just take people down. and destroy
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: them there. And then the longevity of that is much
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: longer until that curse hits them where they can't get
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: a takedown and then they never get a takedown again.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that curse is probably what we're talking
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: about too, like a buildup of injuries and all these
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: different things over time. Yeah, like Usman.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: He was a guy that stopped taking downs. He's a
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: good example of injuries as well.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Very good example of injuries. However, he did beat Joaquin Buckley.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: He did. And Joaquin Buckley, fucking dangerous as hell, man,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: and especially then. And Joaquin was on the rise. Did
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you see the Mike Malott victory this last week? Holy shit, man.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: That was cold.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: That was cold.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Malott looks good, dude. Yeah. It's crazy that that dude
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: started his career at featherweight. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: he was a featherweight.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Because he looked bigger than Joaquin.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I think Akeem Dawoodu stopped him. He looked bigger than Joaquin.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: He did. Yeah. Yeah, he did. He's big. And, you know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: he looks like a real– well, until you look at
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: guys like Michael Morales and you're like, okay, like what's
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: this size? He's not, he's not the means.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: He's like a special case. He's just like, he is
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the perfect example of weaponized physique.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Like he's just, he's young, he's hungry. He's, he's a
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: genetic freak.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: You can see it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: He makes the sacrifices to get to the weight division.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: He likes to fight. He can bang, he can wrestle.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: He can, you know what I mean? He just, He's
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: just there to scrap. It's an ugly fight. And he's
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the biggest outlier in terms of weight, in terms of size. Well,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: another one was Atiba Gautier. He's another one that weighs 230.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: 231 was what he weighed before he started his weight cut,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: and he got down to 185. But he fought Roman Koppelhoff,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: and Koppelhoff stopped him in the first round. Kapilov's got
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: good hands. Fucking good, dude. Good hands. He's slick. Jack Slack,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: who's a great MMA analyst on Instagram and YouTube and
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: all that shit, he did a great breakdown of the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: positioning and how Roman Kapilov was leading him into it
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: and setting up shots and set up that left hook.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: There's a few guys who've done some great breakdowns, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it's so skillful, man. And that was a good example
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: of a super powerhouse, enormous guy who's gigantic for the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: weight class just gets pieced up by a guy who's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: just slicker.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then Kopilov's not like a physically intimidating dude.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: He kind of.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Looks like a desk jockey. I know, except for his nose.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: His nose looks like he had a fight with a bear.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a desk jockey that visits a bar overnight.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Bro, his nose is destroyed. But, I mean, that's just skills.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It was that fight with.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Costa that really, I saw Costa and I was like,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Costa's found his feet.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yes. He was just working that body. Yeah. He's pieced
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: him up. Such a good one. When Costa is on,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: he's a motherfucker. I think he went through a dark
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: time after the Izzy fight. I think the pressure of
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: fighting for the title, I'm just speculating, overwhelmed him. Obviously,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: he had some injuries, too, because he had red suction
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: marks all over his calf, which is a real bad
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: thing to go into the octagon with. I mean, put
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: some makeup on that shit. Because Izzy sees that, he's
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: going to immediately kick that spot. Because he's a smart guy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to go, oh, you got a problem with
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: your calf. Nobody gets the suction marks on the calf.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: And he just got pieced up so bad in that
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: fight and stopped. And then Izzy dry humped him. Which
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: was hilarious. And after that, I think he was mindfucked
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: for a while. Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: It was hilarious. But it was also, oh, dude, it's
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: so dirty.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: So dirty. So dirty.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: It's like this.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: It was cold, man.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Cold-blooded.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Like, too cold. Yeah. I can't be that bad.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I can't be him that much. I know. Like, that's crazy. And, like.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: He's just had a couple good ones, like the Pereira,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: when he knocked out Pereira that second time.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, man. And then the Arrowhead, that's got to
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: be one of the coolest send-offs. I think the greatest
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: fight celebration of all time. Yeah. Especially when you consider
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: what just happened. That dude had knocked him out two
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: fights in a row.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Two fights in a row, and then he finally got
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: in a fight where he was getting fucked up.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: His leg was getting fucked up.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: He was not winning. His calf was getting destroyed. He's like,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: this motherfucker already got me. He's like, I was thinking
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: to myself, damn, this motherfucker already got my leg.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: He did that thing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Where he was wearing that leash for the whole camp.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Remember before the interviews? He had that leash on him.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Did he really?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And then he took it off just before he fought. Oh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: he's off the leash.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: He's such a weeb sometimes. I love the guy now.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: We're good friends, but he's a weeb sometimes.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: What was it like losing to him by knockout and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: then coming back and taking him to the limit? Because
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: we were talking about this last night. Your second fight,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: was it a split decision? I'm not sure. I'm not
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: too sure. It was a very close fight. Yeah, it
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: was very close. It was a very close fight.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I feel like if they scored takedowns like they used
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: to back in.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: The day, I might have got my hand raised, but... Yeah,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: takedowns don't mean as much anymore unless you do something
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: You can win off your back if the guy on
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: top doesn't do anything.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: That's how Bas Rutten won the world title when he
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: beat Kevin Randleman. Kevin Randleman took him down, but Bas
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: was fucking him up from his back, just elbowing him,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: blasting him from his back. It was very controversial because
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: everybody's like, no, the guy on top, he's winning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: But Bas Rutten was doing mad damage from the bottom. Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: And you also see, like, some guys can generate, like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: what about when Holland knocked out Jacare off the back?
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. That was wild. Reached up and hit him
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: with a fucking right hook. Like, how?
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: How do you generate enough power?
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Every time I'm on my back and I'm trying to
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: fight up, I get fed.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I get fed and then I gas. Then that's where
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I'm staying for the next four minutes or whatever.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I've seen someone else knock someone out from their back, too,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: with a hook. God, I forget who it was. But
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: he was on top of someone or someone was on
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: top of him. I don't remember if it was his
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: guard or if he was mounted. And he throws a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: right hook and the guy just like sinks and falls
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: on top of him. Like it is possible. Yeah. Weird
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: things are possible.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: That's why everyone loves this sport is because crazy stuff happens.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Like it is just a melting pot of athletes.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Like when Sean Shroff just knocked out Gable Steveson. In
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the first round with the first punch, like a 2,400
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: to one underdog. Yeah, that's crazy. Minus 2,400 underdog. That's crazy. Crazy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: And you know there were punters that put $ 10 on,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: like just threw $ 10 on.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: And they're just laughing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. He made a lot of people's days. Minus 2,400
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: is crazy, and then he loses in 11 seconds.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I was thinking after I saw him fight the fight before,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: like he was a bit reckless. Yeah. With his ability
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: to go in. Like, especially in such, like, the big
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: boys division.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Like, everyone's got touch of death there.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Well, he's also a guy who I know he is
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: a heavyweight. I know he weighs, like, 240 or whatever
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: he weighs. But you look at him and you're like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: that guy can make 205. Like, 100%. 205's not outside
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: of his wheelhouse. You don't think? Because he's... He's late. Yeah,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: this is Kevin Hoff.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: This was also a hook. It's the only one I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: can find. He's talking to him while it's happening. Always.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: He's always talking to people.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: He's the middle saying, I had this dream when I
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: was 17, and then throws a hook and knocks him out.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Is that what he said? I had a dream when
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I was 17? I don't know if you can hear it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Is it on right now? Yeah, you can hear it. Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: let me hear it. Put the headphones on.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Oh!
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: He said that was nice. He's telling him it's nice.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I had a dream about this.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Jock Ray, he was already badly hurt there.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Go ahead. That finish was crazy. It was the first
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: punch had him fucked up. Yeah, and he didn't recover
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: because he was there for a minute. So he must
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: have hurt him bad. But then the rest of it
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: was terrible to watch. Well, he said to Joaquin Buckley,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: he goes, you got a booger on your nose. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: then he knocked him out. He's like, hey, man, you
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: got a booger on your nose. And then he hits
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: him with a straight right and knocks him out.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what I'd do if someone was
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: talking that much to me in a fight.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Well, Frank Shamrock had a fight with Nick Diaz in Strikeforce.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: And he said after the fight, he goes, it's so
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: fucked up because this guy is talking shit to you.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: And you're like, I can't believe he's doing this. I
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: can't believe he's talking shit to me because he's. He's
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Frank Shamrock. He's a legend. He was a former UFC champion.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Like a real pioneer in terms of like a complete
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: martial artist. He was like one of the very first.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Started with boots on. Yeah. I mean, he did the
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: pancreas style when you're open slaps. I mean, he was
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a real pioneer. So for him, and Nick Diaz was like, what, bitch? What, bitch?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: What you going to do, bitch? He's just popping him
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: and talking to him. You don't get to breathe because
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: he's not hitting you full blast. He's like, here, put
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: some volume. Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I love how he used to put his hands down
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: by his hips.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: He's just talking to him constantly.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I've always been the biggest fan of his style.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, Nick has a crazy style.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It just looks so much.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: It's fun. It looks fun. He's relaxed. Like even while
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: he's doing this, he's never straining.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Like all of his punches are like 50%. Everything's 50%.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: But because of that, he can throw them for days. Forever.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: For days.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: And then he gets to that point where he's not
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: even breathing and he's just beating on a gassed guy.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: You know what my favorite fight of him ever is?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Paul Semtex daily. Oh, yeah? Yeah, in Strikeforce. Semtex had
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: maybe the craziest power in the history of the division.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Semtex would just put people into orbit. He had crazy knockouts.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: And these dudes just went to war. And he dropped
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Nick a couple of times. But Nick brought him into
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: a pace where he was going to have to sprint
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: for the entire five minutes. And by the end of
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: like three minutes in, you see he's like, I can't
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: do this anymore. And then Nick just overwhelms him and
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: stops him. Lactic overload. Yeah, see if you can find that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: He had some wars and struggles. So bring us up
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: earlier in the fight.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: They were wrestling a little bit.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but in the beginning, it's like you see the
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: power of Semtex, like crazy left hook. Left hook and
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: a left uppercut would just put people into orbit. Just
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: terrifying power.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: He is one of those guys with power. As we
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: were saying, you're born with it. I swear you're born
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: It's not like he's doing a gym workout, like explosiveness routine.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: To get power like that. You can certainly enhance your power,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: but I think the type of power that like Paul
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Daly has or like a Thomas Hitman's hern type power-
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Or Deontay Wilder, he's the best example. You're just born
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: with that. You got a gift from God. God gave
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: you a gift to put people into orbit. And this
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: fight is just this crazy example of his cardio. Nick
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Diaz has swam back from Alcatraz, I think seven times.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: It might be more now. I remember seeing that. He's
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: really big. Even during camp, he's really big in a triathlon.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: That's how he stays fit. You can't get this or
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: sustain this level of cardio unless cardio is your lifestyle. Yes.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: At this point, cardio is your hobby.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different thing, right?
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Just like Murab.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: So he's not trying to blitz people ever. He's not
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: trying to hit you with one big bomb. He's just
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: cooking you.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And he's bringing you up to a pace that he
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: knows that you can't sustain, but he does every day.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon that's what burnt him out?
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Because I swear, it's got to be like, if every
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: fight you turn up and you're like, all right, four
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: rounds to go before I got you. Like, you know
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: you got 20 minutes of cooking a guy, you know
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it could be that, but it's also, you got
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: to take into consideration that All the years that he's
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: been fighting. So I've called Nick's first fight in the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: UFC in 1991, I think. 2001. I'm pretty sure it
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: was 2001. I'm pretty sure that was the first time
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I worked for the UFC in the new era. In 97,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I worked for the old era before Zufa. And then
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: it was him versus Robbie Lawler. And he was like
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: 20 years old.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: That was so good.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: He had some wars.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: He just got dropped there so bad.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: It was 2003.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: That's 23 years ago.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. That is a long time to be getting
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: punched in the head. And I think that is a
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: giant factor.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Especially with his style. His style was very much in
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: your face. He's going to eat a couple, but he's
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: going to give you four for every one you land.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he did a lot of sparring. What's that, Jay?
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I take that back.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: That was just the UFC. His first fight was August 31,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: 2001 for IFC Warriors. And was 2003, what event was that?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Jackson.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: No, what was the number? UFC. Does it say it?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I would have swore it was.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: UFC 44.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: UFC 44. July 19, 2000. Or sorry, September 26, 2003. Okay.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And that's Robbie Lawler?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: No, Jeremy Jackson.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: That was his first one?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Robbie Lawler was his next one, 2004.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. So Jeremy Jackson was a guy who stopped
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: him earlier in his career.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Who was a really good boxer.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the end of it. Paul just couldn't
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: take it anymore. And the pace is just fucking insane.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Because it doesn't stop. It doesn't slow down. Yeah. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, at a certain point in time,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: everybody's time is up. And if you've been sparring with
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: pro boxers for years and sparring hard for years and
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: training hard and fighting and getting in these crazy wars.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: The type of fights, yeah, the type of fights that
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: you're in. Remember when he fought Anderson Silva and he
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: was getting bored, so he just laid down and put
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: his hands on his head like this? Only he could
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: do that. It was awesome. It was amazing. I mean,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: it was like, even though he lost the fight, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: was like, that was fucking great. It was so entertaining. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: It's like, because he... He knew Anderson just wanted a
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: counter-strike and just walk back on the fence, so he
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: just didn't engage.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And then nothing was happening. I know.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: There was a few guys who figured that out with Anderson.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: That if you don't do anything, he doesn't do anything. Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Which is crazy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And because during his prime, he was running through people.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Before people worked it out, before there was like a
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: ton of tape on him, before they found that, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: before also Anderson's age and the amount of fights he
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: had caught up with him, he was untouchable.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Untouchable. He was unstoppable. Anderson in his prime was in
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: the matrix. He was doing things to people. You're like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: this is how is he doing it? And it was like,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: he'd pull these spectacular techniques out of nowhere. Like Vitor,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that front kick to the face. It was just like,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: my Lord, he was in the matrix. He just saw
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: things that other people couldn't see. There was a time.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: And I always say that you have to look at
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: elite fighters in their absolute prime and You can't look
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: at them like B.J. Penn later. He's my best example
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: of that. You can't look at the B.J. Penn, Frankie
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Edgar fight and say that's B.J. Penn. No, you've got
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: to look at, I mean, later in his career. You've
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: got to look at B.J. Penn when he fought Sean Shirk,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Joe Daddy Stevenson. B.J. Penn when he was in his prime.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: You've got to look at that. And I feel like
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: that's the same thing with Anderson. Don't look at him
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: past the broken leg. Look at him before that when
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: he was just starching everybody. Yeah. Look at him before
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: that when no one could even touch him.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: And making it look easy.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Easy.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Like championship fights. Like finishing people easily.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And having fun. Yeah. Like having the Forrest Griffin fight.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Like he was having a good time. Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: It's like, that was almost dirty too. That was dirty.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: That was another dirty moment. Some guys are just cold blooded.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Cold blooded. Just step back and pop them with the
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: right hand.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And just like, like kind of, kind of. Mockingly,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: like dancing around. Did he get told off once because
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: he was mucking around that much?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: That was the Damien Maia fight.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: The Damien Maia fight. Well, I think there's another factor
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: in that fight. So that fight was outside in Abu Dhabi,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and it was hot. And there was fucking bugs that
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: were flying around the size of a horse. Was it?
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that because I can't imagine how annoying
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: that would be.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: It was weird. You guys, you had these weird Middle
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Eastern bugs that you never saw before flying around. Like, whoa,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: look at the size of that thing. I was like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: this is crazy. And it was outside. So Anderson comes
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: out hot in the first round, like putting it to Maya,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: trying to put Maya away. But he doesn't wind up
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: putting him away. And so I think he got really
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: fucking tired. And I think he just decided to coast.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And then Maya was kind of chasing after him, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: he was just getting out of the way and just
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: doing enough to win a decision. And Dana White was pissed.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: They got real. Because this is like a big showcase fight.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: First of all, even though the White House card was awesome,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun, it was a great night.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Don't have fights outside. A world championship fight should be
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: fought in a controlled environment. It should be an air-conditioned building.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: It should be a controlled environment that everyone fights in
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: a world championship fight the same way. It's a control.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What were some variables? I wasn't there. You were.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: What are some variables we didn't see? Well, one of
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: them was humidity. And Gaethje talked about that. So there
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: was thunderstorms all around us. Yes. The fight got delayed. Yes.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: The fights got delayed. And they thought they were going
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: to get delayed way later to like 10.30 p.m. But
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it wound up passing over us, like literally like miraculously,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: like literally circled around. Like they might have done something.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Start the engine. Get the thing in the sky. He
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: might have done something. But it's a good time to
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: do something.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you are.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: If you really can manipulate the weather, that would be
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: a good time. So there was that. And Justin said
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: that in the first round he felt it. He's like
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you could feel the air was heavy. That's a factor.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: It wasn't that hot. Like when they're fighting is in
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: the 70s, I believe. But 70s with humidity when you're
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: going at it, that's not how it's supposed to be.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Air conditioned environment should be the same way for every fight.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And that Abu Dhabi fight, it was hot. I remember
• 57:15
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• 57:17
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  Speaker 4: I'm like a heavy sweater, like a heavy, heavy sweater.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: So whenever I do like a hard session, like if
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: I have a big sparring day and do some rounds
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: and it's hot because in Australia, humidity, we live in it, right?
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: If it's like a hot day and it's humid, by
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: the second round, I'll be dehydrated.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. I'll be cooked, like cooked. You know, Gaethje
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't drink water when he trains. Really? Yeah. He won't
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: drink any water until after his training session's over. Why?
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: He thinks it toughens him up. That's just how he's
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: always done it. He is super tough. He's tough as fuck.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: That's an adorable motherfucker.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that'll work for me. Like, if
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I stop drinking water, will it make me tougher?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Or will I just die? I don't know. know if...
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: But it's like what we were talking about earlier. That
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: there's this balance. Yeah. Between, like, drinking and smoking and
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: having fun and being, like, fucking a marine. Yes. I
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: don't know, man. Yeah. Fighters... Fighters are special beasts, eh? Like,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: special animals. Like... It's almost like I wish there was
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: a Marvin Hagler... in MMA at the same time there's
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: a Carlos protest so let's see which way works best
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: yes you know you got two guys that are special
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: athletes but one of them gets up at five o'clock
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: in the morning and screaming war and running up sand
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: dunes with combat boots on in the middle of the
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: winter yeah cape cod that's marvin haggler and he has
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: carlos protest he's fucking dancing he's drinking he's got a
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: marlboro and he's just going in there and fucking tuning
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: people up i don't.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Know like and easily that last fight was rough to watch.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: The jack tiller madalena fight yes yes as a As.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: A patriotic Australian, sitting there and watching that fight was rough.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Well, as a fan of Jack's, it's hard to watch.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: He's a great guy, and he's an elite fighter. But
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: my goodness, what Prates did to him, like you said
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: it best, it was dirty. It was just dirty. It
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: was cold. He was just like an executioner at that point.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: He was just... He's got that step in knee to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: the left side or from his left side into the liver. God,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: that's so nasty. He does that so well. He's giving
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: you all these different reads. And he gets so much
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: range on it.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: He fights almost in your face, but he's not there. Right.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: He's not there.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: You go to come to him, and he just leans back,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: and he's gone. Yeah, and pops you from across the cage.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: And then calf kicks you on.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: The way out. DC said it best. We were talking
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: about this last night. DC said he's built like a mosquito.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Just all legs. Like an elite killer mosquito. All legs.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Just all limbs, long limbs. But the power.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: The Leon Edwards left hand, my goodness. That left him cold.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: And the way he covered distance with that shot, too.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: He's so good, man.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he is.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: And he's so, so exciting to watch. Just like, just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: like Hoofy.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Hoofy, he's like, I know he lost to Armin, but.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Did you see the one shot he threw from across
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: the cage? Like he covered like two meters.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hit him in the eye.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: His eye blew up straight away.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: It was so like. No, Hoofy's dangerous. He's dangerous and long.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It's just like Armin had the perfect strategy. The perfect strategy. Just.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Get him up against the cage, land elbows. And the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: way he, like, went for the single, you know, and then,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: you know, he's, like, defending his head straight up in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: the air. Boom. Caught him with one, and he was, like,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: out cold. And he held him up to hit him
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: with the second one. Amon's a beast. And rich.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I hate that. No sense. Grew up really rich. I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: He's just.
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  Speaker 4: My life sport, my lifeblood on this earth for my
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: family is his hobby.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: And it annoys me.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: It just turns up at the highest level to play.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: And... And he doesn't have to.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: It kills me.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: And there's just always this narrative that we were told
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: that rich people can't fight. The rich guy's son is
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: never going to be the toughest guy. It's always the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: poor guys. Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: He fights like he's poor.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy. He fights like he grew up in
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the ghetto. Yeah. Or he fights like he grew up
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: a super soldier. Right.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's on the other side of the spectrum.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe. Yeah. He got really good training very early on. Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: But also- The thing is, it's like in him. He
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: loves it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way you could have the kind of money
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: that that guy has and fight that way unless you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: really love it. And get through a camp. Right.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: Like, there are too many moments during camp. I'm like,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: F this.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: I need this app to go well.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: I'm like halfway there. It's just.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Well, it's also, it's like he does those Sam Calavita workouts.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Do you know those? Do you know what I'm talking about? Okay.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: So there's this guy who TJ Dillashaw credits with a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: lot of his strength and conditioning and the reason why
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: he had such a crazy gas tank. And Aaron Pico,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: he trains with him. Hamzat trains with him. Hamzat started
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: training with him fairly recently. But Sam Calavita, he comes
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: from a cycling background and, you know, like real scientific
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: approach to cardio. And these guys do these fantastic, fucking
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: insane Cardio strength and conditioning workouts in a garage in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: California So you got all these elite fighters in this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: you know middle-class residential neighborhood guy fucking lifts up his
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: garage door And you got these assassins on your fucking
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: driveway do it doing like whipping chains and shit doing
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: all these crazy medicine ball workouts Yeah, see if you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: could find some of that They call it the garage.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: It's just what it's called the garage. Yeah, and this
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: garage is just filled with With strength and cardio equipment,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: so they're all talking about it here.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Let me see if he can show some of the workouts.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Is he going to show it?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: These guys are all cardio machines.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's all in his– okay, they're not– that's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: not good. But I know from Armin's YouTube channel, he
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: had a bunch of it where he was training– With
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Hamzat at Kalavita's place. Yes. Along with a bunch of,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Juan Archuleta was there, a bunch of elite MMA fighters.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: They're training, and it looks like hell. It looks like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: just complete holy hell. Cub Swanson had an interesting take
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: on it, though. Because Cub worked out there, too. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: he said he feels like he had some of his
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: worst performances when he did his cardio sessions there. And
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: he thinks because he just takes too much out of you.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: He goes, the guy just breaks you down too much.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: He goes, there's like a fine line, and I think
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: he passes that line. So they think, just in the street.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I think the thing is, though, if you're just doing
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: a cardio-based sport like cycling, obviously it's power and there's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: some technique to it, but it's not the same sort
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: of give and take, completely open-ended, improvising thing that MMA is. Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: You can't just have cardio. You also have– you have
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: to have the ability to have all of those movements
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: just razor sharp honed. Yeah. All your skills razor sharp.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you're broken down from strength and conditioning–
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: When you go to do your skills, your skills feel sloppier.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: They don't feel the same way. I know when I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: used to work out at Carlson Gracie's place, one of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: the things that I didn't like, no disrespect, but one
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: of the things that I didn't like is they put
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: you through this grueling strength and conditioning thing before you
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: would do your skills. And I was like, hmm, why
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: would you want to be exhausted when you're learning something?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing if you're just trying
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: to get in shape and have a real hard workout.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you should know what it feels like to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: wrestle tired. But also, shouldn't you learn all this stuff
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: when you're fresh? Yeah. Because the idea is not to guess, right? Exactly.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: And that comes from efficiency. Yes. I think if you're
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: going to do strength and conditioning like that, it should
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: be after your skill work. This is my personal opinion.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: I think skill work should be done when you're not tired. Definitely.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: You should learn all those sharp movements, all the counters,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: all the things. It should be sharp. If you're exhausted
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and your abs are fucking killing you and your neck
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: is stiff, it's like you're a little more labored with stuff.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: You don't have the confidence and you don't have the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: neural pathways of the sharpness. You know how sometimes you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: learn a move, and then you get it, and you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: finally get it, and then you're hitting pads or something,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: you just get it. It's like it's there. And now
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: it's in your head, like, oh, I know that path.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I know that path. If all of a sudden that
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: path gets sloppy, Then you start thinking, do I know it?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Do I know it the way I think I know it?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Can I land this at will? If I see the opening,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: can I go or will I be a fraction of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: a second slow? Will I be a little off?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: And you don't want, like if you go into these
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: sessions tired, you don't want to get used to being tired.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: I know they say you got to train for when
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: you're tired, but you don't want to get used to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: being tired.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: So I feel like that starts you off at like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: a funny level. You know, and like another thing.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Is, what did you just pull up there, Jimmy?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: I just asked for flex if there's any benefits to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: hard or athletic training, hard cardio before skill work.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: And it says yes. Let me see that. Let me
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: see what it says. Scroll. Yes, there can be benefits,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: but it depends on whether you're trying to learn a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: skill or execute and establish one under fatigue. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, you're always learning. That's the thing
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: about like technique in terms of MMA. It's like so comprehensive.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Hard cardio is an automatically better preparation for skill work.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Fatigue commonly reduces the quality. of a sport-specific technique. That's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: exactly what we're talking about. And your mental focus, though,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: that's not limitless. Right.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Everyone's done a cardio session where it's so hard you
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: start to, like your own brain starts to try to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: escape on you.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: You find it hard to be in the moment where
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: you are.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. Because you're tired. You're tired.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: If you take that into a skills session... You're not
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: going to, I personally, I can't, I can't work under
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: like that because. Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: You, I think skill is for fresh people. Yeah. And
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I think there's a, there's a real benefit to like
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: flow rolling. There's a real benefit to like, like shadow
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: sparring where you're just touching and moving and it's just,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: you're just building pathways in your mind.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Also like a giant benefit to just breaking down the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: machine and pushing the fucking machine to its red line
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: and forcing it to recover and build a stronger base
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: and it's a balance though i don't think.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Like whilst it has a place and i do it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: as well i use the assault bikes and and treadmills
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: and everything else I think, though, if you want to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: break yourself doing something, it needs to be in the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: craft you're doing. Like, if you want to get fitter wrestling,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: you have to wrestle. You have to be put in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: those positions. If you want to see where your skills
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: take you under fatigue, you have to wrestle to fatigue.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: You have to grapple to fatigue. Well, that's GSP's approach. Yeah.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Later in his career. Later in his career, he essentially
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: abandoned all the strength and conditioning and just did sports-specific training.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Just did hard rounds in the bag, hard rounds sparring,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: hard rounds drilling.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Because that's also what makes your body hard. Like you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: need to be used to contact and stuff. There's been
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: heaps of camps where I've like torn a calf muscle.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: So I've done like the back end of it just
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: on like treadmills and assault. Like treadmills, concept twos, that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: sort of stuff.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Not treadmills, sorry. Concept twos, assault bikes.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Too many. Ski ergs. Too many camps have ended this way.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: And it just takes a mental toll on you having
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: to push yourself to red line.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Right. In those sessions. Well, you know, that brings me
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: to BJ Penn's prime. Because one of the things that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I've talked about a bunch of times is he didn't
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: really do much sports-specific training in his prime for camps.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: He would do the camps with Mar Marinovich. And Mar Marinovich,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: his philosophy was you already know how to fight. What
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: we're going to do is give you the most insane
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: gas tank. And then you're going to go in there
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: free as a bird. because you're never gonna think about cardio.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: You're just gonna be able to perform. And so it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: was all plyometrics, like crazy plyometrics and all these weird
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: box jumps and all this different shit and every day
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: just getting broken down, broken down every day. But he
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: would show up shredded and just looking like an absolute demon.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: And he had been doing very little in terms of
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: like sparring, very little MIT training. The philosophy was you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: already know how to fight. Take that thought and just
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: throw it into this six, eight-week camp of insane cardio
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: and plyometrics.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: I think that's where I've kind of pushed my own
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: training in light heavyweight and in the later end of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: my career. It's like being happy, enjoying the process. Because
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: by this stage, I.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Know how to fight already. Or I'm in trouble.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Either I got it by now or I'm not going
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: to get it. So it's like we don't need to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: work skills as much as review, revise, and just practice.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: So it's like I do a lot of mitt work.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: I do a lot of light sparring, movement, shadow sparring
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: sort of work. I do a lot of rounds in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: the gi and different positional work.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Really? Yeah. What is the benefit, you think, in the gi? Oh, jiu-jitsu.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: For MMA training.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: If you want to learn jiu-jitsu, I'm a big believer
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: in gi.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in gi.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Obviously, it's different, but a lot of gi guys can
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: transition from gi to no-gi.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: It's very hard the other way around. Yes. You know?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: So it's... And I think Damien Maia was a big
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: believer in gi work.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the Brazilians are. Yeah. It's a religion. Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: For good reason. Jiu-Jitsu is all about the gi, my friend.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: You need the gi. Don't abandon the gi. Like, people
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: got real mad. I don't know. You weren't around back then.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: The early days of gi, no gi, right? The early days. Like,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: when did you start training?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: Well, it would have been 2000, like for MMA?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: It would have been like 2015.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Right. So in like 2001, 2002, 2000-ish was when people
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: started doing no-gi. And a lot of the Brazilians did
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: not like it. There's a lot that still don't like it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: A little loyalty to the Gi that was crazy. So
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: when Eddie Bravo branched off and started Tenth Planet, which
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: was 2003, it was very controversial. Like, what is this guy?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: This guy abandoned the Gi. It was a real problem, man.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: That sounds crazy now because there's so many elite Brazilians
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: that are in no Gi. Just like they abandoned the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: idea that leg locks are bad.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: If you did a leg lock back then in a tournament,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: even though it was legal, everybody would boo.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: And you'd get beat up afterward probably. Right.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Heel hooks, people would be furious at you.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: You know what's great about the gi in terms of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: like a jiu-jitsu side of things, especially like for MMA
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: as well, is that you can't make as many mistakes
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: in the gi.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. You can't.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: It makes your positioning and your decision-making worse. So much
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: more vital because let's be honest, if you're an athletic guy,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: you can get pretty far in no-gi.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: You can explode out of things.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: You can explode out of a lot of things. I've
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: jumped into beginner classes and I'm a really strong guy.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: will still like shove me from mount or from the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: half guard because I'm just not ready for him to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: just bench press me.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Right, right, right.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: It's just like these crazy beginner sort of.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Right, but if you're grabbing a hold of his gi,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: he's not doing any of that.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and you can't make mistakes because if you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: make a mistake, it gets capitalized on and you get
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: into a bad position. Then you're working from that bad position. Like,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: you're actually punished for errors. I feel like a lot
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: more so. Obviously, in no-gay, there's plenty of that as well,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: especially at the highest level.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: I think there's definitely something to it. Jean-Jacques Machado's approach
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: was very interesting because, you know, Jean-Jacques was born with
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: only a thumb on his left hand. So he has
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: a right hand that's a full hand, but he was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: born with just a thumb. So Jean-Jacques never relied on
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: collar chokes and grabbing cuffs or... his technique was overhooks
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: and underhooks. So when he went to Abu Dhabi, his
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: technique right into no-gi immediately translated because he was using
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: wrestling-based holds. A lot of it was overhooks and underhooks.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: Same systems. Yes, same systems. So when I learned from him,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: I did that. I did his style. And I was like,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: because I'm still going to do no-gi with Eddie. So
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I was doing no-gi at 10th Planet and I was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: doing gi at Jean-Jacques. So I just decided to do
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it Jean-Jacques style. And Jean-Jacques style was like, The Gi
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: is great defensively because you have to have excellent position
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: and you have to have good defense. You have to
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: make sure that you're doing the right thing because you're
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: not going to just yank yourself out of an armbar.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: It's not like when you're sweaty and you can just
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: kind of explode out of things, squirm and move real quick.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: You can't do any of that shit. You're trapped. So defensively,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I felt like it was very– but I also felt
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: like offensively, I should just do all the things that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: I do no Gi and ignore the Gi. And just,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: except a clock choke. I can't pass up on a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: clock choke. If I can get that grip inside and
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: I get that hand on the underarm, I can spin under. Ooh,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I love that. That's a ninja move, man. I love
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: me a clock choke. But other than that, I felt
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: like offensively, in terms of controlling people, I was going
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: to ignore the gi. I was just going to only
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: use grips that were wrestling-based grips. And so that's how
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I proposed it. I'm very much the same.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: And my coach kind of teaches that way as well. Like,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: all my chokes in the game are still just head
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: and arm, rear-end naked chokes. Like, just the real simple ones.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the basics. Yeah. Well, look at Marcelo Garcia. He's, like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: my favorite example. Like, Marcelo, almost all of his victories
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: by submission came from chokes. Almost all of them. He
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: beat Rico Rodriguez in absolute in Abu Dhabi with a
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: heel hook, which was crazy.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: In all the other fights that he had, every one
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: of the submissions, I think, was a choke. I don't
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: think I've ever seen him get anybody in an armbar.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he has, but I've never seen it. Well,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: chokes can't be defended.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Like, in a lot of high-level guys, you'll see let
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: their knees go, let their arms go. Like, especially in fighting,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: especially in MMA. How many times have you seen, like,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: an arm, like... Bust out.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Or like heel hook in the knees. Or Corey
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Sanhagen blew his knee apart in his last fight.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't stop the fight though. Right. If you're good,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: like you're good.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Until it's over.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: But choking.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Right. Like you're not. You go out. Yeah, you're gone.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: That's it. It's over. That was Marcelo's approach. No Kimura's.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: He said Kimura was a strongman move. You have to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: be strong to pull it off. Yes, you do. So
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: his just whole thing was just get a hold of
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: the necks. High elbow guillotine, rear naked choke, anything you
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: can do. Head and arm choke. Whatever he could do
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: is just get a hold of the neck. He had
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: a crazy north-south choke. His north-south choke is excellent. He
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: just figured out how to be like a master neck squeezer. Yeah.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: And just find those right positioning. Some guys are just.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Good at it, though.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Just like MMA, there are guys that are born gifted
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: and talented for the craft.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Craig Jones is a freak. Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: He's a freak.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: He's a freak. But he's also a guy who loves jujitsu.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: He loves the game and being skillful and setting traps.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: And catching people.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: He's a nerd for it.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: He loves seeing the different things, what works, what doesn't work.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: His approach to it is so intellectual, but he's good
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: enough to be able to implement it. And?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: He's always having a good time.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: That's the thing, right? He always looks like he's having
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: a good time.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: He's having a blast. He's the funniest fucking guy in
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: jujitsu by a long shot. He's like a professional comedian.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: He easily, if he retired from competing, could become a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: professional comic. I really believe that. The dude's hilarious. with
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Gabby Garcia and he kissed her and she got mad
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: at him. He's so silly. He's so silly. But that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: silliness is like a mask that covers up this assassin. Yeah.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Like when you start training with him and like you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: watch him train with like elite guys and he catches
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: them and stuff. You're like, oh, fuck, man. That's slick.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, so I've rolled with him and it's like
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: you're drowning. It's just, you're just wondering how this ends.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: Like what is going to finish you?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Now what's crazy is imagine Gordon can do that to him.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy. Well, Gordon could do that to everybody.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy. I've thought about this.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: I've thought, like, how would I go about fighting those dudes?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: And I'd be like, I'm doing everything in my power
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: to not get, like, grabbed at all. Because it's over.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: Once you get sucked into it, you can't play safe
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: with these guys.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Well, especially with Gordon. He's so good at controlling people.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Because he doesn't have an athletic-based style at all. Like,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: he talks about it. He says, I'm not an athletic guy.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I don't move fast. So all of my jiu-jitsu is
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: control based. And it's also when he gets a hold
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: of you, that's it. It's over.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Hicks and Gracie said this to me once. It was
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: like the dopest fucking conversation I ever had with them.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: I've had a few with him that are pretty cool.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: But we're over his house and we're watching some fight tapes.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: It was me and him and his son, Krohn. And
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: we're sitting there and we're watching these fight tapes. And
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: he's explaining everything. what these guys are doing wrong. He
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: was watching this Mario Sperry fight. That'd be so cool.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: It was the dopest shit ever. That'd be so cool.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: And he was talking about how these guys are losing position.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: And he goes, we all start at a neutral position.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: We all start at zero. And he goes, and once
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: I go to one, I'm not going back to zero.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to two. I'm going to three. I'm going
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to checkmate. And it was like so intense when he
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: was saying it. It was like, this is a fact.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: If I get you in a position, you're not getting
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: out of it and I'm advancing to the next spot.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm advancing to the next spot. And then, checkmate.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: And what he was saying, I was like, oh, shit.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: It was the dopest conversation. These guys are like samurais
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: of today. Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: That mentality they have, that is the way of the warrior.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Well, Hickson was a true pioneer, too, with physical training.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: So Hickson was like the first jiu-jitsu guy to adopt
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: extreme flexibility, yoga, cold plunges. He was doing these cold
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: plunges in the glacial rivers in Japan before he fought
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: in Japan Valley Tudor. It's in the video. Before it
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: was cool. There's fucking freezing cold water and he's in
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: there just fucking, ah, ah. It's amazing. He was doing
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: neck exercises with like bands where he was like going
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: upstairs or pulling against a tree with a fucking thing
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: to control his neck muscles and strengthen his neck muscles.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: He was doing shit that nobody had figured out. S
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: & C, years ahead of the game. Way ahead of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: the game. Balance work, balance beam stuff, where he's doing
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: a standing split on a balance beam.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, and that sort of stuff is
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: so vital for MMA. you're just, there is no controlled position. Right. Like,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: cause you're constantly moving with like, obviously the external variable
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: is the opponent is trying to do things to you.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: And you're kind of working with that whilst trying to
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: do your own things. And you're never in a position
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: where your body's controlled. Like it's very imbalanced. So doing
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of these imbalanced things, sort of exercises and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: balance exercises where you're strengthening one muscle or flexing one
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: muscle or turning one on.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They're so important.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: That's why I think you mentioned it or we started
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: to just beforehand, gymnastics as a baseline for anything. Yes.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: Anything is just– The best.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gymnasts are so physically strong. To be able to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: throw yourself in the air and land on your feet
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: and move around like that. Like that dude who did
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: the front flip to the axe kick. Yeah. We found
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: out with breakdancing. So one of the things that happened
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: with Tent Planet was they started bringing in breakdancers. And
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: Eddie Bravo realized, like, oh, my God. Gio Martinez and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Richie Martinez, these two guys were excellent break dancers. They
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: do all this crazy shit like hop on one hand
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: and do like a handstand and do a lotus with
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: your legs without even touching your feet, crazy stuff. But
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: that ability to control your body we realize translates directly
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: to Jiu Jitsu. So Eddie started like learning break dancing.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: to like help jujitsu. Eddie's super open-minded. He'll try anything.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: And he sees someone that's really good. He's like, what
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: are you doing? How do you do that? Like if
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: someone does something in a class, he'll stop the whole class.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Is that, did you make that up? Did you invent that? Yeah.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Show us how you do it. And he'll have everybody
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: go through, well, I do this, but I find that
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: they countered that. So I'm holding it like this now.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: And everybody's like, Oh, and then they'll study it and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: break it down. So we saw these guys break dance.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: He's like, wait, wait, why the fuck are you so strong?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Like what's going on here? So can Eddie break dance?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he really got good at it,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: but I know he was definitely learning some of the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Just as a strength and conditioning routine. Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I was super lucky. So early on in my career.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Like most, MMA was still very new. So the information
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't out there today. Like today, you can get a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: full information plan of AI and just find out anything
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: you want. But I was super lucky to meet my
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: wife as early as I did because her background is
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: elite gymnastics.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: And elite gymnastics, like they're animals. Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Their whole life is one long camp because they can't stop.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Cause they can't put on weight. They can't do it.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: Like it's just, they're just in it forever until they're not.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: It is wild. Like every day is performance based. It's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: like long hours. So her mentality really kind of led
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: me in, in, into my, my craft and, In my
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: early days.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Did she teach you gymnastics?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: She tried.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: She tried.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: She tried. She was the one that made me realize
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: how important a strong core is. A strong core.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: A core is everything.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: But as a person, just being able to move and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: walk around, especially with the dynamic movements of MMA and fighting.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: But she was actually the one that, she was my nutritionist.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: She was my strength and.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Conditioning coach at one point.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Because she had the health science background and sports science background.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, how convenient.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: And I was just a poor kid that could fight.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: That's awesome, though. What a great combination. Lucky. Super lucky. Yeah,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people neglect core work, like
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: real core work, like rotational core work. I know I
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: did for a long time, and I just started doing
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: it a few years ago, like really getting into rotational work,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: like a lot of heavy cable rotational work and kettlebell
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: rotational work. Man, I was doing it out of necessity
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: because I kept getting injured. I was getting certain lower
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: back injuries that were like a repetitive use injury. And
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: I said, I think there's an imbalance. So a lot
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: of it I was getting from archery. So I was
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: getting this tendonitis on my lower right side. And what
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: it is is because I'm pulling back with one arm.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: like a hundred times a day. Yeah. And I'm not
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: doing anything on the other side.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: So all my stability is on this side. I'm like
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: pulling back on that side and I'm locking myself in place.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: And it started to fuck with me. And so I
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: went to a physical therapist and he started recommending some,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: and one of them was rotational shit.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: And then as soon as I started doing it, I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: was like, why wasn't I doing this my whole life? Exactly.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: This is so stupid. I'm such a moron. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: So it's like, it's so vital. It's like, it's like
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: all your other physical capabilities get capped at like 80%.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: And having that strong core just unlocks that. Yeah. It
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: just makes your whole body stronger. I just like living.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Living is better. Pick up your kids without popping a hernia.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it improves everything. It really does. They say that, like,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: if you do those, you know those... hanging foot to
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: bar moves, just a hanging foot to bar, that improves
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: your deadlift, that improves your clean and press, that improves
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: the strength of your chin-ups, it improves everything. Just that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: one move. That's Donaher's number one move. He said the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: one move that he says is a must, a mandatory
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: for all athletes. You have to be able to do that.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: What move is this? So you're hanging, chin-up bar, you're hanging,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: and then you lift your.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Feet up and touch the bar with no momentum.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: So you have to stabilize it at the bottom and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: then pull it all up and stabilize it at the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: bottom and pull it off. That one movement, because it's
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: so core-intensive, that movement right there. Yeah. So that right there.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: That's like.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: That's why I have so much respect.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: You see those guys at, like, Barkings?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Those guys are crazy.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: They're, like, holding out full extension, walking.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Flagpoles. Yeah, man. And just jacked. Jacked. Like, they must
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: only eat salad.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: Like, it doesn't look like you could burn a stupid
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: amount of calories just on bars.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: But you are, right? Because you're building muscle, and the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: muscle requires more calories... And you're essentially lifting your own
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: body weight all day. Those guys do it for hours
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: and hours at a time.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: And I guess having any extra weight would affect the
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: performance of all this stuff by a great degree.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: What is this guy doing? I don't know.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: That just went to their most recent video they put up.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is Bar Stars?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: He's just using his fingers to keep balance.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: He must be some kind of a rock climber. That's freakish. Yeah,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: some of these, what is this dude doing? Hey, bro,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: are you trying to die? Are you trying to die?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Do you understand electricity?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: This video.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Don't do that. Kids at home, don't do that. No,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: that is terrible. How can you do that and not die?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Are those not power lines? Maybe the power's out. It
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: took a chance. Now's my time.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: Maybe he did it properly and grounded himself and then
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: went up there for the video.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Fuck, do you ground yourself holding on to those? You
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: ever heard what it sounds like for those guys that
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: have to work on those power lines?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: You can just hear the.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you just imagine... the kind of power that's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: going through those fucking things. Electricity is scary, isn't it? Terrifying.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: Like I was an electrician for a little bit.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Were you really?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: That's why, that's why I started. I was an electrician.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: No shit.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: I was an electrician as I was like kind of
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: fighting on the local scenes, professional still, but on the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: local scenes. And then I got the call up for
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: ultimate fighter and I said, I'm going to take some
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: annual leave when I'm on the ultimate fighter.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: So did you go through an apprenticeship?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I was a fourth year apprentice. So I was,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: I was supposed to, uh, I was doing my capstone,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: which is the end test. And I was going to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: do that. And then, The Ultimate Fighter said, all right,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: come in. Let's go try you out. I went on
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: the show.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I applied for annual leave. Never. Never went back. Never
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: went back.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: I wonder if they have my job still there.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: I have a buddy of mine, my friend. Shout out
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: to Jimmy Dottilio. Back home in Boston, he worked with
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: this guy who lost his face. He just had some
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: crazy power thing and just scorched his skin all over
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: his whole face. Just got zapped. Just got electrocuted. Yeah.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Something went wrong. That's crazy.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, electricity is just, and because it's not like
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: the damage you get, like there are heaps of people
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: that can get electrocuted and be fine.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: And then there's heaps that just die straight away. Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: My buddy Remy got hit by lightning.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: When he was young, I think he was in high school. Wow.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: He lived, but he got fucked up and he woke
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: up on the ground and realized eventually what happened.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's good. That's fucking terrifying.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Do you reckon that's a good omen or a bad omen?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Neither. If you had to look at it. It's not
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: good because you get hit by lightning. It's not good luck.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: But you lived. Good luck would be the lightning lands
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: five feet away from you and you're like, fuck, let's
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: get off this mountain. Bad luck is you get hit
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: by lightning, but worse luck is you die. Yeah, I
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: think bad luck would be turning into some charcoal.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: I wonder, like, is it just, like, sometimes you live because, like,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: sometimes you don't get a full blast. Like, one of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: them blasts that, like, cuts a tree in half. You've
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: seen those?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Like, I guess that kills you. That seems like that
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: would kill you.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: I think, I think, I think the.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Lightning has a lot of voltage, not a lot of current.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Or it can. As an electrician, you can illuminate us
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: on this. It's the current that kills you. Oh, interesting.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: What is the difference?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: What is the difference?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you right now. Well, you're looking pretty
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: smart five minutes.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Ago.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: I've been out of the game for a little bit.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: For a hot minute.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably you have a heart attack. That's
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: probably what it does to a lot of people.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: And it burns you, obviously.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously. Yeah. I think it probably just short-circuits your entire system. Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what a defib is, right? It's like literally
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: trying to short-circuit your heart back.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the video? This is one guy.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: I think he's in his driveway. He's walking down the driveway.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: He gets hit by lightning, falls to the ground, goes out,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: wakes up, starts walking again, gets hit again. I should
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: know that. Two kids hit twice. Like, what are the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: fucking odds? I hope it's real.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Once you say what are the odds, the odds are
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: very low, Joe. I think it's not real.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: Well, it's an old video. The only reason why I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: don't think it's AI, it could be fake.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: You pissed someone off to get hit by lighting twice.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: You did something bad. You cheated on your taxes. You
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: did something bad.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: You did some fraud.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: If you're not going straight to confession afterwards. Yeah, you
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: stole something. You did something, man.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: You kicked a cat when no one was watching.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: The two strikes and catching it on video are like impossible.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: But I thought it was a security camera. I thought
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: it was in his driveway.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: People fake that all the time.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Those are all real.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: No, those are all real, Jamie.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, Jamie. See, look.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: He got back up and I was about to get
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: hit again.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the guy.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: No, people fake this all the time.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Bro, you can kill that guy with a balloon. That
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: guy is not getting hit by lightning and living.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: I think he's got scorch marks.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, fuck off. Look at the homemade scorch marks. Fuck
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: off with your scorch marks. Look at the homemade scorch marks.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: I was going to say he falls down too. Bitch
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: ass fake fall.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: This one actually is not getting hit twice. This is
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: a more recent one, but.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: That probably is real. I'm just kidding.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: I get sucked into these videos all the time.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sir. If you got hit by lightning and
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I'm mocking you, we're just having fun. It's all love.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry as well.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: We're just joking around, sir. But it's pretty funny. I
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: hope he really didn't get hit by lightning. I hope
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: he faked it because it's not funny. Getting hit by
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: lightning is not funny.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: If you live, it's all right.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: If he died, it would have been bad.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the guy. Yeah, that's him. Shut up, Jamie.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: This is real. You don't know shit, Jamie. This is real.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: So the guy gets up and he starts walking. Now
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: watch this. He gets hit again. I'm pretty sure this
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: is real, Jamie. Is having the unluckiest day of his life. Bro,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: that's real. That's as real as the baby Jesus. He's
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: been struck twice.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: It's real.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: Jamie.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: He's been struck a third time. Come on, Jamie. Tune
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: in next week. Shut up. Why are you ruining everything? Dude.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: I think that one's real. Yeah. That one's real. Impressive.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: It's a fucked up way to go. It's a fucked
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: up way to go.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: It's just a pair of smoking shoes.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: That's why tasers are wild. Like, you ever seen, like,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: a dude who's, like, methed up and gets tased and
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: he just starts screaming and pulls the things out of
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: his body? Yeah. Like, how come?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: There's, like, six cops and they're just like, like, really?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Is it? Yeah. He's in that Hulk rage moment.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but some people, they just shut off and go
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: straight down to the ground. I want it in my
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: head cannon. I'm that, like, I just rip it off.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: I take it. I'm probably just like, I'm pretty sure
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: I fall down. I'm sure I fall down stiff as
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: a board. I fall down immediately.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not even getting that far.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: I'm putting my hands up straight away. Like, what am
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: I doing? Yeah, don't tase me. I'm happy to comply. Fuck. Yeah,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: it's just like some people, like Dana White on his show,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: Dana White's looking for a fight. They all got tased once. Yeah,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: it was him. I was going to ask if you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: have done it because it seems like a crazy thing. No,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested. I'm not interested in getting fucking tased.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: That seems ridiculous. That doesn't seem fun at all. It's
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: just I don't want to have a heart attack either.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: What if you get a heart attack?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Because it can happen.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: This is a tough situation.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: This guy is not.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's pretty jacked too dude look at the size
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: oh no he's ex-army I think I've seen this he's
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: like ex-navy seals or something and he's got like PTSD
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: yeah he's having a problem and he's barefoot yeah he's earthing.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work You better run.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy? Like, he's a big unit, too. Yeah,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: he's a big fucker. And why did they send four
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: women cops to deal with him? I like how he's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: still holding his phone, too.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Did you see what he just said?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: What'd he say?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Tased me all day. I love pain.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, fine. Some people have just built these things. Yeah,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: I don't understand that. So, is it... Some people's bot,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: because I thought it didn't, until I saw a few
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: of these guys online, my original ignorant thought was, once
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: they tase you, you get zapped, no matter how tough
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: you are. Your muscles contract and you're gone. Everything, you
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: just fall down.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: That's it. No, apparently not. No, not exactly. Apparently some
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: people are like, fuck this.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: That guy didn't even seem bothered by it.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: No, didn't flinch.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Let me say that again. Let me see
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: him get tased. How am I trying to figure it out?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: You sure that's real? I think the lightning is real,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: and that one's fake, Jamie. I think you're right. How
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: about that? Honestly, this guy gets struck by lightning.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: It's called pain tolerance, he said.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: I don't reckon he takes a knee if he gets
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: struck by lightning. But they haven't tased him yet.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: At that point, they did.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Where did they tase him? Let me see. Oh, yeah. Oh,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: you can see him spaz out and react.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: You know what is funny?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: They might not have gotten into him, though, is also
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: the thing. If you pull it out that easy.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: When the guys try to make a leg for it,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: they try to make a bolt for it, and they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: get hit mid-stride.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fun. Those are fun. He said, get down
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: on the ground. He goes, negative. That's not good. That's
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: not good. He's being salty.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: I'm calling this in. I'm like, I'm going to need backup.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Well, he's just depending upon them not shooting him. That's
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: the problem. It's like. I don't think he cares either. Well,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: he should definitely care about that because I don't care
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: how tough you are. Yeah. Guy unloads his magazine into you.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: You're going to be dead. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I don't.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: He's depending on them. Well, who knows what the fucking
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: scenario was? I don't know. Maybe he's right. Who fucking knows? Yeah.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: Sometimes people get pulled over for bullshit reasons and they're
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: right to get pissed off. I don't know what happened there.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: But from my own. Looks like the man's a tad unhinged. Yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: And he's too big to be unhinged.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow. He's a monster of a man.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was getting real Struve vibes.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Stefan Struve. Right, right, right. I'm getting real Struve vibes
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: from that guy. Stefan Struve. Forgot about him.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: There's a few of those guys that fought in the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: UFC that were just so fucking tall. Remember Semmy Schilt? No.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Semmy Schilt, elite kickboxer, K-1 champion from Holland. Nasty front kick.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Seven feet tall. Yeah. He was so big. He was
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: just ridiculously tall. And he just would step forward and
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: throw these front kicks and fuck you up with them. Yeah.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like I would have been such a good
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: tall fighter. You know what I mean? If I just had.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Like an extra foot or just give me an extra inch,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: I reckon. I could have did some really cool things.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: How hard was it for you to stay at 170?
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Like what was your 170 cut like?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was nightmarish.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: What did you start off at?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: It's the sort of thing. Obviously, when I started, when
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: I was at 170, I started when I was a teenager.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: So I started at 18. And then I went, I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: was 170 until about 23. And it was just getting
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: harder and harder. You know, as you age, you just
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: get bigger and bigger. And I've always been like a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: naturally heavy guy, heavy set guy. I think it's my
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: moldy jeans. And the last weight cut I did was 7.4
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: kilos on the day. Ooh.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: So that's, how many pounds is that? 16 pounds?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: 17 pounds?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: That's a lot. In one day? Yeah, like morning of.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: So that was, what year was this?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: I would have been 24. 24, so what, 2000?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: So you had, like, great performances at Welterweight, like, really
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: promising performances. But for sure, when you went up to 85,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: that's when you became Robert Whitaker. That's when you really became...
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: For certain. Yeah, it's like you had found the sweet spot. Yeah.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: And some people... There's that– the gaps are so enormous
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: between weight classes, which I think is a real problem. Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: 15 pounds is a lot of weight.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: In boxing, that would be three or four weight classes. Yeah.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Whereas in MMA, it's one. And the 70 to 85
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: gap is big, but the 85 to 205 gap is bananas.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: No, it is.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: It is. But I was always kind of cutting down
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: from a 205er to 85, and it just got harder
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: and harder.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: Especially with, because I've been fortunate and blessed enough to
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: fight for a long career. And I've been able to
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: have a ton of fights. So you just kind of
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: get sick of cutting weight constantly.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: Of course. And the camps themselves are tricky because you're
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: trying to fuel yourself for the sessions, but you can't
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: eat too much. Right.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: And food is a direct link to recovery and performance. Yeah.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: So that was one of the biggest things I noticed
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: moving up to light heavyweight was that the camps were
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: just so much better. So I can just eat.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: I can eat carbs. I can eat carbs.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: I can just fuel my body. And my body was
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: stronger during the camp. I had more energy during the camps.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't really, I, the weight cuts were kind
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: of the same because I still wanted to have some
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: size and have some weight behind me. So I still,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: I still made the weight cut. It's not like I
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: just walked in there.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: But your body's more or less filling into its natural state. Yes.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Rather than staying in this constantly depleted state. Exactly. Like,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: especially at once, like at 170, what did you walk
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: around at?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: I want to say it would have been like 94
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: ish kilos, 92 ish kilos.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: What is that Jamie?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: About 198, something like that.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: So close to 200 pounds, close to 30 pounds of cutting. Yeah.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: That's a lot. Yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: And then as well as because I've been in the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: game for so long, and you want to say better
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: than most, like there's life going on around you. I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: don't know what it was because the last few middleweight
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: camps I had, Did not enjoy them. The cut, the diet,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: the training, fatigue. I've got a bunch of kids at
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: home trying to hang out with six kids when I'm
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: this fatigued. Starving. It was just, you kind of get
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: sick of it.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: You get burnt out a little bit from that style thing.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: And one of the big things that, I don't know why,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: it seems like a small thing, but one of the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: big things that made me sad was that I went
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: to my cupboard and nothing fits. Because I get fitted
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: for suits when I'm trim, when I'm lean, when my
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: shorts are in. So if I'm walking around my normal weight,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: I don't have clothes. And I know how stupid that sounds,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: how little that is.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: But it made me sad. It's like at the end
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: of this career that I've had, like I've been in
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: the UFC.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: For 15 years, end of my career, I'm going to
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: have no clothes. Yeah.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: And it made me, I was like, I was upset.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, man. That's hilarious.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: It's just, it doesn't really make sense, but it made
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: sense to me. It made me upset. That's why, that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: was another thing where I was like, I want to go,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: I want to walk around and have clothes. I want
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: something to show for this.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Don't you think that MMA would be better in general
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: if there was a way to stop weight cutting? Just
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: avoid it. And then you fight at what you actually
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: weigh when you're at your healthiest. You'd have to have
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: way more options for weight classes for sure. And there
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: would have to be some way to monitor to make
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: sure that people aren't dehydrating themselves. Almost like, you know
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: how we're talking about how drug-free sport or USADA could
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: just randomly drug test you.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: They show up and drug test you.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: They should be able to randomly weigh you to show up.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: Just here, get down in your underwear, get on a scale. Oh,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: you're fighting at 170, but you weigh 208. That's not right.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: You should be fighting at 205. But then that takes
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: away a lot of free agency from the athlete. Does it, though?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: Because you could change your body weight if you so choose, right? Like,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: you see a lot of these, like, you know, like
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Dave Bautista, the wrestler, who was enormous at one point
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: in time. Now he's slimming down and getting shredded. So
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: he could take on more roles, more complex acting roles.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: That could be done. Like, you could do that as
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: a professional fighter as well. You could do a lot
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: more cardio. and get your body down to a healthy
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: level of whatever it is, whatever weight class you're at
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: your best.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: But then when you jump on that family holiday, that
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: family cruise, and you're at the salad bar the entire time,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: that doesn't sound super fun.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: That doesn't sound super fun, but I mean, I don't think,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: I don't advocate that. I'm saying be healthy and eat food,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: but be at a weight that's a real, like if
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: everybody just fought at the weight they are when they're
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: in shape and eating healthy, The adequate amount of food
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: to fuel you like a real full meal, like full meals,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: every session, eating fruit, getting in your carbs, drinking tons
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: of water, never being dehydrated. But this is what you
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: weigh with, you know, 10% body fat, natural, healthy fit.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: That should be how everybody fights. Yeah, I guess in a.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: Perfect world, I have zero idea on how you would
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: implement something like that. I don't either.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: Like no answers.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: And I've thought about it. Obviously, this has been a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: question in the MMA world for the longest time. In
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: all sports with weight divisions, really.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: But it's just you also then look at human nature
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: and it's just our tendency to push the envelope.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Especially in a sport that has been predicated on that. Yeah.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: People have been doing that forever. They've been cutting massive
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: amounts of weight forever.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess maybe because the sport sprouted here, right?
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: It's taken a lot of the wrestling mentality.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: And weight cuts and weight divisions and all that into
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: the sport itself. But I definitely feel like You see
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: more of that, like that dichotomy of that kind of
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: scenario of more natural weight classes, the higher up you
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: go in the weight divisions. So you see more in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: like heavyweights where guys are, they're more normal weight class.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: Or especially in heavyweight, they're all just big boys.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: And some look like over him. Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: And some look like... I don't know. Pat Barry. He's
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: the best.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Uber Eam. The Uber Eam days is the best argument
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: for keeping steroids in sports. It's like, come on. Don't
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: you want to see that again? Like, what are we doing? Like,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: the Pride. We were talking about this last night at
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: the club. The Pride days. Yeah. The Pride heavyweight days
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: was the greatest heavyweight lineup in the history of the
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: fucking sport.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like everyone was a heavyweight.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: There were so many heavyweights, man. Well, first of all,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: they would encourage you to gain weight. Yeah. Like one
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: of the guys from Eddie's gym, Jason Chambers, fought over there.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: And when he fought over there, they're like, you should
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: be 185. And he's like, I'm not 185. They're like,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: you should get on steroids.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: Tell them. Get on steroids.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: We can make you 185. Ensign Inouye, when he did
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: the podcast, he told me very specifically that in the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: contract it said in capital letters, we do not test
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: for steroids. It was like in capital letters. We're all good.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. And you saw those fights.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: They were mental. Amazing. Yeah. Mental and the greatest heavyweight
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: division ever. That has ever been assembled. Yeah. Mirko Krokop
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: in his prime. Fedor in his prime. Noguera in his prime. Vandele. Well,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: Vandele really shouldn't have been fighting at heavyweight, but he did.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: He fought Mark Hunt. Remember that fight? Oh, Jesus. When
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: he fought Mark Hunt, I was like, oh, my God.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Getting hit by Mark Hunt when you're a 185-pounder, that
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: is crazy. Fedor. Bro, Fedor.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: Jesus.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. When he got knocked out by Krokop,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: when he got head kicked, when Vanderlei got head kicked.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: Good Lord.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: It got folded.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: Krokop's head kicks were just brutal.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Insane. But what a twist of fate, the way that
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: he got head kicked. By Gonzaga.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: Like it was such a thing because that's his thing.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: He got cro-copped. You can't cro-cop cro-cop. I know. And
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: by a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt with nobody expecting him
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: to win that way. Yeah.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: It was wild.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: A lot of people forget about Gonzaga. Gonzaga was a
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: fucking beast, man. He was a beast. That's the answer
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: to weight divisions. Absolute. Right. But some guys can't do it. Oh,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: definitely not.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: T.J.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: Dillashaw can't fight absolute, but he can be one of
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: the elite of all time at bantamweight, you know? Yeah,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: here's Mark Hunt and Vandale. Bro, Mark Hunt was so big.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: He was 265 and Vandale was fighting 185 or 205.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: And it's Mark Hunt.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: Like, he just, he's not... A fun fight ever.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, almost impossible to hurt. Yeah. Because
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: that guy got head kicked by Crow Cop and just went, well,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: good shot. Got back up.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Good one.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: Good one. Got back up. It was fine. Good one.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: And I think he got head kicked with shoes on.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: It was back when they were wearing wrestling shoes.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: And still was fine. Bro, he was a tank. He
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: could eat them. He could eat those shots.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: And he had touch of death.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: Touch of death. And one of the greatest walk-offs ever.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: In the history of sport, he would KO you and
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: just go, oh, you're gone, and just turn around and
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: just walk away.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: Even if you weren't gone, he'd still just walk away.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: And the referee would stop him because he'd be on
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: your back going, where's he going? And the referee would
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: be like, that's it.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: No, you're dead.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: He called the fight? Yeah, yeah. Some of those walk-offs,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: you're like, I don't know if that's a real KO. Yeah.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: Like maybe that guy could have, if he got on
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: top and kept going and just covering up, he might
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: have lasted to the end of the round. There are
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: plenty of times I see a walk of KO.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: And you're exactly that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: Like they can't, you know how sometimes guys come back? Yes.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: After getting hit a couple more times? Right.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: So they come back and then you've gassed yourself and
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: then you're in for another four rounds. You know what
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: the best example of that is? Anderson Silva, Michael Bisping. Yes.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: He hits him with a flying knee. At the bell buzzer.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: It looks like he's KO'd. It looks like the fight
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: is over, but Herb Dean did not stop the fight.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: I think it was Herb Dean. And then Anderson hops
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: up on top of the cage and is celebrating. Yeah,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: he's ready to hit the showers. Bisping comes back in
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: the next round and wins it and wins the decision.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: With one fucking eyeball. Animal.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: How does that mess you up mentally? Because I know
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: the feeling of winning.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Here it is. She lost his mouthpiece. Boom. He gets
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: KO'd and Anderson walks off. Like, that's it. And Herb
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Dean said, no, it's not over. So Anderson takes his
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: mouthpiece out. Oh, he's doing his thing? Yeah, he's doing
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: his thing. He thinks it's over.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: How does.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: That affect you?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: If you're there, because the feeling you get.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: So look at this. He hops up in the cage.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: He thinks it's over. He thinks it's over.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: The feeling you get, the high you get when you
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: win a fight.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: is ridiculous.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: So if he's feeling that now, well, he obviously is.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: He's sitting on a cage. Right, they're telling him, and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: he's saying, it's not over. Look, he goes, fuck, he
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: realizes it right now, it's not over, which is crazy.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Because if he just followed up with one or two shots,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: 100% it would have been over.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But didn't the bell buzzer go when he landed
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: that knee?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, I think you're right. I think it was
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: like right there.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: I think he landed the knee, and then the buzzer
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: went off right afterwards. Mark Hunt's walk-offs were like, I've
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: had enough of this. Yeah. Uppercuts.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: Boom.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: It's like he's called it over. It's like, this is over. Crazy, man. Crazy. Bisping,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: what a fucking animal. Maybe the most mentally tough guy
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: that's ever fought in the sport. Just to be able
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: to do that with one eye. He fought 11 fights
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: with one eye. Yeah. And didn't tell anybody. Memorized the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: eye chart. Really?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: I guess you have to. Memorize the eye chart so
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: he could do it with his eye closed. I guess
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: you have to. But no. Crazy.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: Don't they randomize what kind of.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: Or maybe just like.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe they don't.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Do they randomize eye charts?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: What kind of an asshole is going to memorize an
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: eye chart? I bet they don't. I bet they don't
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: think anyone's going to try to cheat it. I bet
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: they just have an eye chart and he fucking memorized it.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Wherever doctor is, they're probably just like, oh, they didn't
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: change it from last time.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess. Maybe, I mean, but I think he memorized.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: But just the will to do that where you've already
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: lost sight in one of your eyes and to continue
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: to fight and know potentially you could lose sight in
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: the other eye.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: So did he lose his vision from.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: He's gone.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: No, like from a shot.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: Yes. Was it an eye poke or a punch? Vitor.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: He got head kicked.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, that'll do it.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got head kicked and that was the first
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: of many eye surgeries. So I remember he was... I
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: met him backstage after one of those fights when he had, like,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: one of his first surgeries, and he had, like, oil
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: in his eye. They had injected something in his eye
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: to protect his eyeball. It was crazy. Like, his eye
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: looked really strange. Yeah. I was like, what's going on
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: with your eye? And he was explaining to me he
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: had this surgery to protect his eye.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: I think by that time he had already gotten, lost
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of his vision.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: According to a comment on Reddit.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: He said the doctor was out of the office, Bisping
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: went right up to it and memorized the eye chart. Yeah,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: I think that's what he did.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: If it's on Reddit, you can take that to the bank.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Well, how about Shara Bullitt? Shara Bullitt, who's fighting Izzy,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: he's only got one eye too.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, is that Doha?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: I think so. Well, he has to fight over there.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's allowed to fight over here. I
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: think if you fight over here, you're blind in one eye.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: They won't let you fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's beaten
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: top-level guys with one fucking eyeball. Yep. Here's another guy
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: who got tuned up by Michael Venom Page.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: Michael Venom Page just looks so annoying to fight.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: Obviously, it's a point of pride that I'll fight everyone
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: and anyone. But then people are like, what about Michael
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: Venom Page?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, there's other guys.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: I only want to fight guys.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: MVP's another guy that they didn't offer a contract to.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Same thing. He won his last fight. Oh, no, really? Yeah.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, he only lost once in the UFC, and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: that was to Ian Gary.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: And they didn't offer him a contract. He's gone.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: Is he?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gone. I did not know that. Same kind
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: of deal. Yeah, just point sparring. They just decided that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: they don't want to see that. Point fighting. You know,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: but my take is— What do you do? My take is, like,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: we have to be purists about this. Fighting is fighting.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: And if someone has a style like that, it's up
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: to someone else to figure out how to beat it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Douglas Lima figured out how to beat it in Bellator.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: He leg kicked him and KO'd him. And then he
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: beat him in a rematch as well.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: That's always been my take, like, if I had to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: look to dissect him. Because when I was a middleweight, obviously,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: I'm doing that with most of them. It's leg kicks.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: Agile guys.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: Agile guys. Good footwork. You've got to chop the tree down.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: Have to. You've got to. It's the only way. You've
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: got to slow those feet. And most people don't realize...
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: when you're watching it because the guys are moving around,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: they look normal, they're so compromised. Like one or two
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: hard calf kicks and you're so compromised. Calf kicks are
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: the worst, aren't they? Crazy.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: Like one good calf kick? Not only do you run
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: the risk of breaking that, what is it, fibula?
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. but that bone fibula
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: one of them yeah you are.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: Like because that's like breaking that's real yeah like breaking
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: that's real but it.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: Hurts and it just it just stuffs you up and
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: your your leg doesn't work right you see that all
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: the time where guys just their leg doesn't work right
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: right now and they're trying to move around it's just
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: not responding correctly so the Most of their weight is
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 6: on their other leg and they're faking it.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They're like faking their movement.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And once that leg's compromised, it opens you up
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: to more leg kicks.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: Like it's harder to defend the next calf kick.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: What Prates did to Jack. My God. When Jack went
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: back to the corner and he yelled at the end
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: of the round, like, hey, don't fucking yell. Like, no ah.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: Don't say ah when he kicks you. Don't do that.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: But it was so much pain. I was saying ah.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: I was watching it and saying ah. He was just
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: punishing that leg.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Punishing him. Punishing him.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: And that was always... Like a hole Jack had to fill.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: It was very boxing style. Boxing, heavy on the front leg.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: The thing, too, is those guys who are really good
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: at switching stances have a giant advantage. If you're one
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: of those guys that must stand orthodox or must stand
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: southpaw and you get that front leg compromise and now
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're in a bad position, you're
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: 50% of what you really are. And guys like T.J. Dillashaw,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: they're constantly switching. Guys like Corey Sanhagen. Constantly switching. So
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: they're comfortable from any stance.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: That is such an advantage. It's such a huge part
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: of the game. You know, in that second fight with Izzy,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: he got me with a switched left straight down the pipe.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: And the switching put me off. I think Drikus did
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: it a few times as well. He switches pretty well.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: um just it you're exactly right it is such a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: powerful maneuver an ability to do because for that split
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: second when you see them switch you have to you
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: have to like take your strategy and then move over
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: to your southpaw strategy.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: Right instantaneously and then take it into consideration that all
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: these punches are coming at totally different angles now.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly exactly and all your attacks.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: Come at totally different angles now too because you're dealing
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: with a completely different defensive.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: Position exactly and then then how fast you make that
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: adjustment is obviously where fight IQ and everything else comes
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: into it. It's just, it's make or break. And it's like,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: and it, it seems to be really popular right now.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: I feel like guys coming into MMA are like really
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: big switch hitters. Like they're starting it because it takes
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: a while. It takes years of practice to get comfortable
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: in both sides. I can fight in Southpaw, but my
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: defensive game isn't anywhere near as good as my orthodox side.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of what you need when you're standing
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: in a different stance.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the reasons why Terence Crawford is
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: so great. You know, his coaches told him, hey man,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: stop fucking around with Southpaw. Just stick to one side.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: He's like, what? Fuck you. Figure it out. And so
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: he got to a point where it's like he's the
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: best switch hitter since Marvin Hagler.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: Like he could switch up. And so you don't know
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: what's coming. Like he'll start off and fight Southpaw. And
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, he's fighting Southpaw.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden he's orthodox. And he
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: stuns you. Now it's Southpaw again. Now he's orthodox again.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: He's just switching back and forth. And combinations are coming freely.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: From both sides. Like it's such an advantage.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: Because it's like fighting Southpaws and fighting Orthodox fighters, they're
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: like two different strategy sets. Like a Southpaw game and
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: an Orthodox game, they're very different. Very different shots, very
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: different openings, like very different opportunities. And especially in MMA
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: where wrestling is obviously prevalent. So having that lead leg
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: not there. If you're an orthodox guy and you're used
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: to shooting on that orthodox side, that lead left leg,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: and they switch, your takedown games are off.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: And if you're a wrestler, that's tough. Yeah, I would
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: feel like if you're a young fighter and you're just
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: learning right now, my God, start switching. There's no reason
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: to not do it. I think that's what they're all doing.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: I think they have to.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of orthodox right-handed kids that are just
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: starting in Southport now.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: But then part of me says, but what if he
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: just developed such an elite style with one stance? There's
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: something to that, too. Just getting so good at checking
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: kicks and so rock solid in one stance.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Pereira.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: He doesn't switch. Very rarely. Very rarely. If he does,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: it's just like while he's throwing combinations, he'll switch a
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: little bit. But it's generally that left hook that's coming
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere and that right hand. And that calf kick,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: that's so weird. He's hitting you with like- His big toe. Yeah.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: Because his big toe is like this big. He's the
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: same size as his feet, man.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: He's like digging the side of his foot into your calf.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that protrusion of like where his toe connects.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Hammer toe. Oh, man. Yeah. Hard as a rock.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: He's got like a foot built for that kick.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: He's got like a little hammer. Yeah. He's like tagging
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: your calf muscle with it.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: And his posture doesn't break at all because he's got
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: long legs. He's tall, obviously, and he can just chip
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: away at it like a jab. He doesn't need a
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: close distance, doesn't.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: Need to back away. Body posture, body positioning doesn't change.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: For striking, the tall, long stance is such an advantage. Yes.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: It's a giant advantage. And you can speak to that
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: because you've been in situations where you've had a spar
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: or fight people that are much taller than you. It's
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: such a weird thing. They're so far away from you
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: and they can hit you and you can't hit them.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: So you have to do all these things to try
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: to get in and get reads out of them.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: I've never lost to someone shorter than me. Here, look
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: that up.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: It's such an advantage, man.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: That's one of the things why I moved up to
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: light heavyweight. It's because in middleweight, I was fighting, everyone
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: was taller than me anyway. Like Dorita, Izzy, Drikus, Jemayev,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 4: they're all taller than you.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: They're all 6'2, 6'4. So there wasn't much change. There
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't much difference.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: These guys are just bigger, obviously heavier, and slower.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Well, the freak of the division is Bulger. You ever see...
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: You know that really tall dude who's a kickboxer? Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: Come over. Am I pronouncing his name incorrectly? There's so
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: many names in the UFC that I fuck all of
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: them up. I combine them all together, even ones that
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: I know, just so my brain doesn't recognize it. It's
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: because there's also like a ton of the same names
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: in there. Yeah.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: There's that many Silvers and Oliveras.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of Silvers, a lot of Oliveras. There's
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of Nurmagomedovs now, which is a mouthful.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, a lot of Nurmagomedovs.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. You'll see Bulgari. That's how you say
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: his name. I'm pretty sure. He is the really tall
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: kickboxer that's Alex Pereira's training partner. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: So he's like 6'6, and he's fighting at 185. Yeah.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: Just like Pereira was. Exactly. Just fucking gigantic. He's so
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: fucking tall for that weight class. And he's elite, elite kickboxer.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: Just so smooth.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: Do you think he'll... Because Pereira is an anomaly for this.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: How do you think his transition will be?
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: Well, fortunately, he's training with Pereira. And they both were
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: training with Glover, which I think was a big thing.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: Big part of it. Because Glover Teixeira, for like six years,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: people don't realize this, before he even got to the UFC,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: for six years, Glover Teixeira was the boogeyman. He was
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: the guy that everyone was terrified of. But he couldn't
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: get out of Brazil. So he couldn't get a visa
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: to come to America for whatever reason. So he couldn't
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: fight in America. So he was just training and fighting
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: in Brazil. And everybody would talk about, when you would
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: talk to the high level guys, like who's the scariest
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: guy that's not in the UFC? He's like, Glover. Glover's
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: a fucking monster. By the time he got to the UFC,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: he was already in his mid to late 30s. So
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: he had already, and he won the title in his 40s.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: So he had already passed his prime, probably. And he
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: is so knowledgeable. He's obviously elite Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: phenomenal wrestling, and then great striking as well, and knows
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: how to combine the two of them together. And so
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: with him working with Alex... I think it really sharpened
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: his striking skills, and that's when he won the title.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: And then on top of that, when he beat Jan Bohovic,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: and then on top of that, him working with Alex
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: really tightened up Alex's takedown defense, really tightened up his
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: grappling game. They kind of filled each other's holes. Yes.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: And they're both super elite at what they do, and
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: both very smart.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: Jiu-Jitsu top game was.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: Insane. Insane.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: He'd take you down and he's not like a lay
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: and pray sort of guy.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: Maul you.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: He gets you down and he's going.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: To beat you up. Yeah, he was mauling people. Like
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: that Anthony Smith fight. Oh, God. Yeah. And again, he
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: was a guy that was Chuck Liddell's training partner way
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: back in the day. Yeah, yeah. That's why I first
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: heard about him. He's an old head. Old head from
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: the pit days with John Hackleman way back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: So I'd heard about Glover way back then and they
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: were like, dude, this guy's a motherfucker, man.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: And it took forever for him to get to the UFC. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: And so him training, so Bulgari's training with Pereira and Glover,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: I think, is a giant. I'm saying his name right.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: I think so. Pull up his last fight because he,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the dude's name. He, yeah, that's it,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: Mansour Abdumalek. And Abdul, you'll see Bulgari. And Abdul Malik
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: is super talented and massive potential. And Bulgari just tuned
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: him up, man. Just tuned him up. It's just the
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: difference in striking was so different. I mean, he has
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: a victory over Pereira in kickboxing. Pereira stopped him in
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: one of the fights, knocked him out cold. But they
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: fought three times. But he's that good. So he's that
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: elite on his feet. And he's super tall. And because
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: of all the training that he's had with Glover, like
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: look at this, takedown defense, phenomenal. Get back up to
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: his feet quickly, separates. He's fighting it well. And Malik
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: is an excellent wrestler. He's really good and really strong
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: and super athletic and had up until this point been undefeated.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: was mauling people inside the UFC. But Yursi just put
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: it to him, man. It was a bad one, too.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: Because Abdul Malik is so tough that he endured maybe
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: more punishment than he should have and really got badly
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: beaten up in this fight. When you're that tall as well,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: you can get such power. Look at these fucking knees.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: You've got such big levers. Yes.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: Like Tommy Hearns. You're getting all that leverage behind those shots.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: The wide shoulders and the length of the arms and
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: it's all accelerating to the target and all your weights.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: Look at that left hook. Oh my goodness. So it's
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: just a matter of time. He just keeps getting touched
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. And Bulgari's just doing
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: it so slick. And it was just a brutal, brutal beatdown.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: And then he came back, Abdul Malik came back, I
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: think a little too soon in his next fight and
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: lost again. Just didn't seem like the same guy. He
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: was just getting, and survived too many of these, man.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: Too many of these moments where he was getting just destroyed.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: And now he's screaming at him while he's down. He
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: was saying he was out. I think that might have
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: been the end of the round.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: No, it was, but I think he was also saying
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: he was out.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. He wasn't calling it. I think he was.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: He certainly was close to it. And then he got
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: beat up again in the next round. Tight kickboxing hook. Exactly.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: It's just when, you know, and you can speak to this,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: when you're fighting a guy who's not, that's on his base,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: you can get so good. If you're a wrestler and
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: you start striking when you're 28, you can get pretty good.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: But there's stuff that happens in a long, prolonged fight
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: where there's a series of exchanges, where there's openings that
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: you're gonna leave that you're not aware of, and then
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: a striker, a seasoned striker, is gonna be able to
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: capitalize on those.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 4: And you throw in fatigue as well, when you start
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: relying on instincts and things, You start sleepwalking almost.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: You get that tired.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: You're going to go back to the roots, to what
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: got you to where you are.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right, especially when you're tired. And when a
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: guy's tired but he's very efficient at striking, you could
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: still throw tight combinations. You don't get wild and loose,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: which is one of the craziest things about Strickland. Like,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: when he's tired, he gets wild and loose. Yeah. Just, like, literally, like,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: windmill punches at an elite level.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: And it looks like from all the, like, from the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: clips and his Instagram, he spars like that, too.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: Like, he's just, like, gassed and throwing bombs. Like.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: And he's always sparring.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: I know, always.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: Always sparring.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: That's a main part of his training, is sparring. But
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: I guess, like, if you have his style, you can
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: spar more than others, right? Yeah.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: You're not taking the head trauma that his partners are.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: That's true. That's one of the things that he spoke to.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: He said he spars more than anybody, and he gets
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: hit less than anybody.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: There's something beneficial.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: I think his sparring partners probably shouldn't be sparring as much.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, look, if you could train with that guy,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: you're going to learn some stuff.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: That guy, that's like battle tested. He's been in so
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: many fucking wars. He's going through something with the UFC
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: right now where, like, he says his heart isn't in
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: MMA anymore. He wants to get out. He wants to
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: be able to box Jake Paul. I don't know.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know. He's the one guy that he says
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: some wild crap. But a lot of it happens. He
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: gets away with it. Like when he said, I'm just
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: going to sit out until I.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: Get my title shot. I was like, ah, you're an idiot.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 5: What are you doing?
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: Lo and behold, two years later, he's fighting for the belt. Right.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: Like straight up.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. At the end of the day, he's
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: a fan favorite. And that's a big factor. If you're
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: trying to sell a fight.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: And the UFC needs to sell fights. Yeah. And if
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: you've got a world champion, you know, like Hamzat, and
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: you need someone to fight him, who better to sell
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: the damn fight than Sean Strickland? He's going to talk
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: mad amounts of shit. And it's going to be racist.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: It's going to be racist. And, you know, that gets
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: people watching. Oh, yeah. Just because of the controversy of
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: it all. Well, he knows how to stir up the pot. Oh,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: my goodness. That's for sure. Doesn't he? Were you surprised
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: by the Hamzat fight? As everyone else was.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like I don't know what to take from it.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: I think Hamzat lost too much weight. That's what I
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: had heard. I had heard he had given up on
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: 185 and he wanted to go up to 205 and
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: challenge for the belt and was training and preparing for that.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: And then they offered him a big money fight with
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Strickland and he decided to take the fight with Strickland.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: But I don't think they gave him a lot of time.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think they gave– I think for that guy,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: he gets so fucking big. But I think he needs
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of time to get down to 185.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: That makes more sense to me than Strickland having the
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: perfect anti-Chemaev game.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: Well, do you remember when Chemaev missed weight with Nate
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: Diaz by like eight pounds? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's that
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. It's like... What he was doing was
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: kind of bananas.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is crazy because he started at welterweight. Same thing.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 4: He did that fight island, welterweight, middleweight, back to back.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: Which kind of put him on the map and then
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: he disappeared for a little bit.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I mean, he's a controversial character
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: to put it lightly. Yeah, very. But goddamn, when he's on,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: like when he picked up the leech and he carried
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: him over to Dana White. And he's just talking shit
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: while he's mauling him. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: When you have that level of control... And I'm going to.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: Jump back to that Drikus fight. It's just.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: Nuts. To do that to Drikus, to the champion. I know.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: Like, it wasn't... It was crazy. Yeah.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: And even the closest round, which was round five, a
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: lot of those positions were given to him, taken away
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: from him by the ref anyway. Right.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Like....
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: The ref was like, all right, here you go. Here's
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: a shot for you, old Dracus.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: Well, it was almost like it was enough, like enough control. Like,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: come on, we want to see something happen. Get up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: I want to get your opinion. What do you think
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: about that pressure hold game? Because if someone walks into
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: your house and holds you down for 15 minutes, you're
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: in trouble. Right.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: Regardless. Yeah.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: But- But where does it stop of where it's not
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: fighting anymore?
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: Right. It's just control. Yeah. Where is that? It's a
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: good question. Yeah. I am a purist. And I believe
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: if someone could hold you down like Ben Askren used
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: to do in Bellator and just give you no reason
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: for five rounds. That's it. And if you want to
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: get up, figure out a way to get up. But
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: if you can't get up, well, you're definitely losing. You
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: might not be losing the way Gonzaga beat Prokop. Yeah.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: But you're losing. You're losing the fight. Yeah. I think
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: you have to be a purist. You can't do it
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: and they'll, whoa, no, people stop tuning in. No, they won't.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: Because most people aren't going to fight like that. People
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: might boo. Okay. Let them boo. This is what fighting is.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: People are going to boo anyway.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: They're animals. People always want something to boo about.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like if you had a fight like that after, like,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: did you see the Salt Lake City card? When was that?
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: That was recently, like a couple weeks ago. Was it Alan? No,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: the main event was Joshua Vann and Pantoja. Was that L.A.? No,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: that was L.A. Am I wrong? Yeah, I'm wrong. What
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: was the— no, the main event was— It was the women's
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: flyweight title.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: Natalya Silva.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Natalya Silva and Wong Tong.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: That was the main event. But all the fights up
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: to that were fucking chaos. It was all first round chaos.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: I think the most knockouts in the card, wasn't it?
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: Yes. So, Davidson Peguero got knocked out by Peyton Talbot.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: Rebovix knocked out King Green. I think that's the other one.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: Soldich and Chaos Williams was a crazy fight. Went to
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: a unanimous decision. And that was when Roman Kapilov knocked
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: out Atiba Gautier. So it was all these crazy, chaotic fights,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: and the main event was fucking fantastic. It was a
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: great main event, even though a lot of people were
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: talking shit about it. It was a great fight. A
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: lot of fun. But if you had a fight like
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: that on that card, so every fight, I think it
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: was like 10 first round stoppages. If you had a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: fight where it was just boring, hold them down and
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: give them noogies, the crowd's going to go nuts.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: They're going to, fuck you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: is gay. Yeah. People are going to think.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: The fans of this sport are funny, aren't they?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They are funny. They are like the best and
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: worst of them. Yes.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: They jump ship so quickly. It's like you have one
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: hard fight like. and you've been fighting for any amount
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: of time, and you're washed.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: It's 11 knockouts. I hate this. Broke the record, the
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: UFC record for the most knockouts in a single UFC event,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: surpassing Imovov versus Bojalio.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: That was Johnny Walker's heavyweight.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Debut, wasn't it?
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's funny? Because I tuned in,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: and I was watching it, and I was like, man.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 4: I don't like this light heavyweight stuff. Because I just
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: remember Johnny Walker from being a light heavyweight. When I
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: first saw him, I was like, man, maybe I should
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 4: go back to middleweight because I still thought he was there.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: And then I saw the heavyweight thing and.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, ah. Well, I think he was the
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: point of diminishing returns where he lost so much weight
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: to make light heavyweight. Yeah, definitely. He couldn't take a shot.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, at all.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: No. Yeah. When Jamal Hill knocked him out and he
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: hit him with a straight right to the forehead and
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: he just like– Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think he
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: could take a shot with that. He was so dehydrated.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: His brain was dehydrated. And he did it for so long, though. Like,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: it took so long for him. Because he got hit
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: in that fight, too, by heavyweights. Yeah. But also, his
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: power carried over. 100%. Well, he was always... powerful. When
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: you're 205, the difference between a guy who can knock
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: you out at 205 and a guy who can knock
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: you out above that is not much. Not much. Those
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: big guys like that... Yeah.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: Once you're above 205, everyone's got that touch of death almost.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: That's how I treat training right now. Do you approach
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: fighting differently now? Are you thinking differently as you're fighting because...
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: You can't make any mistakes. Definitely, definitely, definitely. Can I
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: quickly run to the bathroom before answering that? We'll be
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: right back, folks. We've got to pee. And we're back.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: So we're talking about you training differently and fighting differently
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: with bigger guys. You have a very distinctly different mindset. Yeah, definitely.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 4: Well, it all started when I was at my last
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 4: fight at middleweight with Dorito. did not enjoy that camp.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: I did not enjoy that fight. Like something was missing.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: The flame, the flare, the fire kind of fizzled out
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: a little bit. And at that point I was like, man,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 4: what am I doing? Something has to change. I'm not
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: enjoying it as I should be. And obviously the 12
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 4: week camp or whatever you do before the fight leads
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 4: itself a lot to that Like, it lends itself. Yeah,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 4: it makes the whole thing a drag, you know? But
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: then the changes, I was like, well, let's go to
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: light heavyweight. People have been saying for years, like, you
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 4: should go to light heavyweight. Because I've always been a
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: heavier set guy. And I was like, okay, I'm going
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: to do this. But more than that needed to change.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: I wanted to enjoy fighting. I wanted to bring the
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 4: love back for it.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: So I just started being a bit freer.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 4: You know how we were talking about a happy Rob is.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: Sorry, being a bit freer. I stopped, like, whilst... fighting
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 4: is like, I'm hyper focused on fighting. And that is
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 4: like something that is the objective. That is the goal.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: I took a little bit off, stepped away a little
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 4: bit from it so that I could go to my
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: kids' soccer games, you know, instead of running Sandhills.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: Things like that. I started enjoying... Kind of the moments
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: between fighting, which there's a lot, right?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: So just enjoying that made such a big mental difference.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: And then I took that into the workroom. And in
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: the workroom, a big thing was just like, Let's not
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: get hit. Let's try not to get hit at all.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 4: These guys are big guys. Every one of them has
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 4: the touch of death. Let's not play around with that.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: Let's not roll the dice. Let's try to be as
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: evasive and as technical as I can. Because that's where
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: I see me having, like everyone else in the division,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: I think my skill set is higher holistically across the board. And, yeah,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: that took me into that fight, and I felt really comfortable. Obviously,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: I was fighting a lot of nervous demons and nerves,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 4: like coming off two losses, making the move up. Everyone's
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 4: seen that story. But, yeah, no, it was for the better.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: For the better mentally, like the way you felt.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely. I felt way better.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: The camp was much more enjoyable. The tricky part is
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 4: now the after camp– the after the fight period block
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: because I'm a bigger guy and I can eat more.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to like eating is a slippery slope.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Tell me about it. I'm a glutton. I know
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: Everyone can relate. It's just, it's, it's so I'm trying
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: to work on that still because whereas like when middleweight
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: I could, you know, you, I'd get bigger, but you
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: can't go too crazy because you know, you got to
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: get back down 85 at one point.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Whereas light heavyweight, I can eat everything. What are
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: you walking around at before you start your cut?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: I'm 106 kilos now. So is that 232?
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: Not too bad. Yeah. But still 25 pounds. Yeah. I
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: can train now. But not great.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: I don't want to start a camp at this weight.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 4: Put it that way.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: Right. I think it's too heavy to start a camp.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: And what do you get down to when you start
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: your camp? Probably 103. So that's, I don't know. 220, no, 225.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: Ten pounds less.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: It's 2.205 per pound or per kilo transferred to pounds.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: So what is the total?
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: So three would be like seven. It's like 6.6 pounds.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: So what's the total?
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 4: What?
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: It would be like 225-ish?
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from 232, you're dropping down six.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, come on. So just enough? Yeah. Do you get close?
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 4: Well, you just lose a little bit of that beer gut.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: What do you get down to, like, the week of
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: the fight? I do my cut in the bath at 220. Oh, okay.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: So you're still cutting 15. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Because it's, like I mentioned, I'm a good sweater.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 4: So I can do that in about an hour and
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 4: a half.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: 15 pounds? Yeah.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 4: Wow. Wow.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: Just hop in a bath hour and a half the
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: bath is.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 4: The move I've done because I've been fighting so long
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 4: and when I started like you couldn't just google how
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: to cut weight you just get these wrestling sort of
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 4: camps right it's very different like they'd be like go
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 4: for a 15 mile run wrapped up in sweats which
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 4: I did that's how I started that's how everyone cut
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: weight in the beginning right you put on your sweats
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: For a run right but but I did sauna.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: The problem with the sauna is if I stay too
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 4: long in there, my esophagus dries out sometimes. And it
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: burns if it's hot enough.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: How hot are you getting in there? I'm not sure.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: I want to sweat.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: Because when you start sweating, maybe it was too hot
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: for too long.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: I talked to Ethan Ewing about that. And one of
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: the things that he was saying is he doesn't do
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: it at a really high temperature. He does it at
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: like 165, I think he was saying.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I know the science is... supports that is you
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: just needed to be hot enough right to sweat so
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: but that's kind of our approach not really weaken yourself
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: yeah that was his take yeah exactly really high temperatures
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 4: you're actually breaking your body down too much and you
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 4: could sweat as much at a lower temperature yeah.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: But you're not you're not going to be like.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 4: Tortured yeah yeah yeah that's kind of why i do
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 4: bath because you just put it you put a warm
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 4: you hop in lay down you're resting you know it's
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 4: like Training or like running or moving or hitting mitts
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 4: while I'm dehydrating.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: Like when I have to fight the day after. Right.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: You're wearing yourself out. I feel like I'm wearing myself out.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't have the water to like sustain the muscles.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just– and it's like you can just
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: chill out, put some music on.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I find it like comfortable almost. Well,
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: people are finding all sorts of different ways to figure–
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: do you water load?
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 4: Hit and miss with that one.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: Hit and miss because– I don't know if it actually works. Really?
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because like I'll do it and it'll come off,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: but I don't know if the water's just, if the
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 4: weight's coming off just because the diet change or if
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: because it's actually because of the water. And also like,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 4: depending on who you speak to, people water load differently.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 4: Some guys, like, restrict it. Some guys go backwards. Some
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 4: guys go up to only a certain amount. Some guys
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 4: go as high as they can. It's just, it's all
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 4: kind of different. I think I do it now more.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: As, like, superstition. That's funny. Just because you think you're
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: supposed to.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and because, like, it'd be worse if it did
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 4: work and I get in the bath and I have
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 4: to cut, like, 20 pounds.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: Right. You know?
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: Have you ever done it with like one of those
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: elite weight cutting coaches? Like there's a few of those
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: guys that people bring in that are like real experts
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: in monitoring the exact amount of sodium you take and
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: the exact amount of water you drink at this day
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: and the amount that you drink at that day and
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 3: they get you perfectly to that threshold. No, no, I haven't.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: But I've got to ask you, like how much, especially
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: in like if we look at the grassroots of fighting,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 4: like we are just two men. With sticks and rocks, right?
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: We're just like cavemen. Like how much sometimes does science
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: dilute what it is we're doing? We're just oonga boonga-ing.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 5: We are.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: Sort of. But also super skillful. Yeah. There's both things
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: that are happening simultaneously. It's like skill and technique, but
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: it's also fucking rawr.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: That's in there too. And that'll get you so far. Yeah.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: Having that dog. Yeah.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: Like that guy that'll go further than you will.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 4: And a lot, most, most fighters have it, but I
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 4: wonder sometimes if the science, if, if sometimes we get
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: too caught up in science, because you see that a
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: lot with today's like younger guys coming in, like their
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: parents are getting them into it because they've been watching
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 4: UFC their whole life. So the kids starting mixed martial
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: arts with like an elite program and And they're doing
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: the best things, eating the best foods, and they get
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: too technical when a lot of the guys that are
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 4: champions and stuff like that, they're just punching on in garages. Right.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: Or strickling.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: They're strickling. That's not the most scientific approach, just to
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: constantly spar and talk shit to people while you're sparring them.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 4: To be fair, like- He's able to constantly spike because
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 4: he's beating people up.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: Right. He's beating good people up.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure it would be different if he was
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: getting brain damage every time he stepped in there. Yes.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's got a very elusive style. It's a
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 3: weird style.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: It's tricky, isn't it?
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: Stands straight up, hard to take down, deep kicks to
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: the body, and a lot of it is predicated on
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: that right leg being all fucked up. You know, he
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: blew his leg apart in a motorcycle accident. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: He's missing a big piece of his quad. His story
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: is actually, like, really cool.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: Like, his comeback story. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. He's
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: a very unusual guy and very underestimated in terms of
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: his intelligence because he says so many wild things. But
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: he fights intelligently. And it's a difficult style. Like you
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: see when he fought Fluffy Hernandez. Like Hernandez was on
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 3: a tear up into that fight.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: And Strickland just beat the brakes off of him. Easily. Yeah.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: Beat the brakes off of him.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 4: It wasn't close. It wasn't close. And the fans are
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 4: brutal because, like, they just, as soon as that happened,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 4: everyone was like, fraud check, fraud check.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: That's the worst. Oh, they are the worst. That fraud
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: check thing, fuck you. Yeah, man. There's so many casuals,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: and not just casuals, but cruel people. Like, they say
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: cruel things for engagement. Yeah. And they think they're being
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: intelligent when they're saying it. Like, fuck off, man. You're
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: a cunt. And fighting is, like, it is.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 4: The most primal thing. vulnerable position two men can be in.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: Like these are two guys out there putting their souls
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: on the line with the consequence of getting knocked out
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: in front of their friends and family and the world.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like no one takes that risk except these
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: guys for your entertainment. Right.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: And then these guys just backstab us. Yeah.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: It's brutal. It's brutal. And it's usually the loudest voices
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: are the biggest pussies.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: The biggest pussies.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: And, you know, it's like I heard a lot of
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: that from Peyton Talbot after he lost to Hownie Barcelos. Yeah.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: They were saying fraud check, fraud check. No, no, no, no, no.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: He found an area of his game that he needs
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: to improve. And then look what happened when he came back.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: Then he did. He figured it out. He figured it out, bitch.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: And he came back and fucked up Henry Cejudo. And
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: he's killing people, man. Killing people. He's killing people. He's so. good.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: He's so good. I really hope that fight with him
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: and Sugar Sean O'Malley takes place. I really hope that
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: fight takes place. That is such a good fight. That
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: is a gigantic fight and such a good fight on paper.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon Peyton wrestles? Because he can wrestle. He
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: can wrestle. I mean, he certainly did with Henry Cejudo.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: It's possible. I mean, that's an area of his game
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 3: that he just jumped. Way up after the Houni Barcelos fight.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: He just, yeah, like he took the wrestling to Cejudo. Yeah,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. When he took Cejudo down, I was like,
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: this is madness. This kid is special. Oh, he's cheeky.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: He's very special. He's very, very unique in his approach
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: to this.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 4: And you can tell he's feeling himself right now. Like
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: he's flowing. He's in that flow state right now.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. And he loves it. He loves competing. He
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: loves fighting. He really does. Really, really does. I mean,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of great fights for him. And I
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: understand Sean's position. If I was Sean, I would not
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: take that fight right now either. Because Piotr Jan and
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: Rob Dławicz-Willi are going to fight this weekend. And if
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: Piotr Jan wins again, the big fight is him and
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: Straight up.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: Because the last fight that he lost was to Sean O'Malley.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: So that is an amazing. And it was close. It
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: was very close. And also a three-rounder. Yeah. Right? So
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: imagine if that fight goes five. Who knows what happens, right?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: It gets crazy. I think.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: And that's where the money is too.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: The money's there. Also, it's like, that's the fight you want. Like, yeah,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 3: Peyton Talbot would be a good fight for the fans,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: but that's not the right fight to take right now.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: It's great for Peyton.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, but there's a lot of great fights
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: for Peyton. There's so many good names.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 3: He's right up there. He's just dismantling people too. There's
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: so many good fights in that division. There's so many
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: good fights in that division. That division is just fucking
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: chock full of talent. You know, 135 right now is a, like, Yeah,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: it's a melting pot, isn't it? The biggest divisions right
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: now are probably like 50s and 55s insane. 55 is
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: just fucking insane. There's so much talent at 55.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: It's fun right now.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. 70s fucking insane.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like there's 45 is insane. And 55
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: is all laying on whether or not Justin decides to retire.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: What does he do? Who does he fight?
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 4: Who do you think he fights?
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 3: I think Armin's the fight. Yeah. The big fight is Armin,
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: especially after what Armin did to Hufi. That's the big fight.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: And also it's like that's the most compelling fight because
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: Armin looks like indestructible. Yes. He looks like the guy.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And he's like that Hufi really made a statement,
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 4: really cemented the argument.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: And arguably he's already supposed to fight for the title. Right.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: If it wasn't for that one thing where he hurt
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: his back the day before he's fighting Islam.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: It would have already happened.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: And look, he fought Islam in his first fight ever
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: in the UFC on short notice. What a guy to
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: debut on. Right. And that close. I mean, razor close
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: decision loss to Islam. One of the best ever. Yeah.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: So he's really fucking good. And that's the fight. However,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: if I was Justin and I'm looking at the landscape
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, who do I fight? I mean,
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: you could fight if Oliveira wins in his next fight.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: and Oliveira retains the BMF title, and then Justin fights
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: him in a rematch for the BMF title and for
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 3: the lightweight title together. I could see that fight, too.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: But it seems like you're denying Armand what he's deserved.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: Armand deserves a title fight. And he's been fighting. Yeah.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: And fighting Hoofy, especially after the performances Hoofy's been putting
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 4: on lately.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: Especially the one at the White House against Chandler. That
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: was an execution.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: That one was crazy.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 4: I saw that coming, but.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: Saw it coming.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 4: I think everyone saw it coming.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, saying, Chandler, I really hope you
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: figure something out here. Yeah. But. You know, Chandler's style
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 3: is so difficult to handle, that long, tall, elite striker
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: at this stage of his life. I mean, Chandler's 40. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 3: At this stage of his life. That makes me wonder.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, look at Gaethje. Look at Chandler.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 4: Look at, like, most of the guys in my division.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 4: I think I'm one of the younger ones.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 4: You know, like, the age of these athletes are just
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 4: going up.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I think with proper training and with all the
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: different sports science modalities today, like, particularly people that are
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: using hyperbaric chambers, red light therapy, saunas, cold plunges, massage,
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: all these different training methods that they're doing to strengthen
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 3: all their tissues and make sure they don't get injured
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 3: and increasing their cardio scientifically and all the nutrition. Everybody's
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 3: got everything dialed in. You can extend your lifespan a
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: lot further than you could a few years back. Well,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: I hold a great belief in longevity.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 4: That's why me and my wife actually just created an
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 4: app that really focuses on sports science, longevity.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: What is it called? Ascend Fitness by Rob. Ascend Fitness
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: by Rob. All right. So there it is. Yeah, there
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: it is. Handsome bastard. So what's going on in this?
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: What's in the app?
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 4: Honestly, it's programs just built around making what got me
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 4: to be able to perform for so long. Because you
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 4: know how rare it is to be able to fight
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 4: at this level for the length of time.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: That's always the hardest thing is the longevity. The turnover
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: rate in the UFC is super fast. So doing these
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 4: little things, performance training, conditioning... to make life better. We
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 4: just want to make life better. But what we do differently,
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 4: and this is kind of an avenue that I started
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 4: playing with the idea when I wasn't going on a
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 4: title run before I had my success in my last fight.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 4: It's like, I want to move into like health, fitness
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 4: with my wife. I always want to do with my
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 4: wife because she's the one that got me into everything.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 4: So I wanted to be able to give back, create
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 4: a community, get guys on board, start working up. Like
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 4: we have monthly Q & As where people can talk
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 4: to me. Like I want to get to know people.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: I want to be able to tell them, like give
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 4: me questions. We have a bunch of coaches on board
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 4: that can give like form feedback straight away, but also
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 4: just to talk to. I think that's so important, especially
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 4: with training. Like you need that human element of what's
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: going on, how you're feeling, where's your head at, because
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 4: that– As we spoke earlier, it's like happy Rob's a
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 4: dangerous Rob. That mental ability, it's like when you're feeling
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 4: on top of the world and you can do anything,
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 4: we try and make sure you have that every day
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 4: just by check-ins, by talking and things like that.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to sneeze. I'm going to hope I don't
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: blow my back out.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 4: Flex that.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: Because the fucking thing hurts. And I'm like, all right,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: I'm okay. Flex that.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 4: Flex that core.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: So have you ever worked with a sports psychologist?
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, throughout my career, I have. I spoke to one.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: What do they do for you? It depends.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: I think guys– this is just my take, okay, because–
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 4: Everyone has their own take on everything. I think guys
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: sometimes just need to talk, like just shit talk. I
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 4: think that's why pub culture was so important for men
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 4: going through the years because they– They lower the guard
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit and they just start shit talking.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 3: Like what we're doing now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: We can just start.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 4: We're just talking. And in that, I'm venting. I'm letting
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 4: out stresses. I'm saying things that make me vulnerable. I'm
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 4: saying things that like I just want another opinion on.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: Because like sometimes you just need to say something and
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: then you need the other guy to be like, nah,
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 4: you're a pussy.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: And sometimes that gets you going. You're like, you know what? Yes.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 4: Or he goes, nah, it'll be all right. And, you know,
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 4: you're just talking.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: I think talking is so important. Right. It helps you
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: come to grips with whatever the thing is bouncing around
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: inside your head by yourself.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because as men, as fighters, some of our thoughts aren't.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 3: Like, talk to your wife thoughts.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 3: Like, to all the women out there. We get it.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: You get it.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 4: Like, our thoughts are sometimes stupid. But we just need
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 4: a place to put them.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 3: Right. And put them with another man who's going to understand. Dude,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 3: I get it. Someone's going to say, I get it.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 4: And then, and obviously that's why like support circles and
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 4: friends and family.
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 3: Are super important.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 4: Like having those guys you can turn to and just,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 4: and just, just talk to.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 3: Man, you know?
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 3: Well that's what, when, when guys run a foul in
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: their gym and have to leave the gym, that's always
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: like a giant problem because that, the people that you
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: train with on a daily basis, you spar with, you,
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: you grind with, those are like, brothers.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 3: And people who have gone to competition with people that
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: they've trained with constantly, like you have so much invested
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: in them. Like you, you, it hurt. It's sometimes I've
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 3: seen this with training partners where their friends fighting makes
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: them more nervous than when they're fighting. Oh yeah. It's
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 3: the love that they have for these guys.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 4: I can't go to any of my teammates fights. Like
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: it kills me. Like I, it just, it just, It
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 4: kills me. But you're 100% right. Like, guys you've bled
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 4: and sweat with in the gym for any amount of time, like,
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 4: you build a connection there.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: Like, even if you don't like them. Like, there's heaps
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: of guys in my gym that, like, I don't bond with.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 4: Like, I want to go. I'm not going to go
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 4: to them and be like, hey, let's go grab some food.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 3: But you still root for them.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: If he calls me up and says, I need help,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 4: I'm getting jumped, I'm there. I'm in the car already. Like,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 4: I'll be that close.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: Or if, like, if he's like, yeah, it's just you
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 4: build that sort of bond.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 3: Like, it's a brotherhood. Yes. You know, and. So when
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 3: you see a guy like leave a gym, it's like.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: I've never had.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's got to be huge.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 3: I've never had that happen. I don't know what happened
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: with Izzy. You know, I don't know what's going on,
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 3: but I know he left city kickboxing and that was
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 3: a stunner for me. I was like, I can't believe.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: Because Eugene Barrowman has been a staple part of his career.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: And he's an amazing coach. He's so good. And he's
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: such a mastermind. He's one of the few real legitimate
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: masterminds in the sport. So when I saw that, I
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, no. That's a bad place to be.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: Like psychologically, you leave the family. Yeah.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 4: And for all I know, I think he's still living
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 4: in New Zealand too. And that was huge for me
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: because I had just trained with him there. Like, I
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 4: was just training with him there. And then, you know,
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 4: I found that out. And obviously, I'm still going to
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 4: go to CKB and stuff because I have a good
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 4: relationship with them.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: And I did some really good work with them.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 4: And for me, everywhere is so far for Australia.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: Right. Australia is on the arse end of nowhere.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 4: I realized that coming flying here, it was like, to
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: get to Austin, it was like 17 and a half
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: hours of flight time.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 4: Like- We're so far.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why people want to build bunkers over there. Exactly.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 3: That's the selling point. All those fucking billionaire dudes who
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 3: are worried about the end of the world, they all
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: get a bunker in either New Zealand or Australia.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 4: That's why I like New Zealand because obviously- Like the Kiwis, guys,
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 4: they're big boys. And you've got some good prospects like.
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 3: Navajo still right now. Carlos Ulberg, obviously.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 4: Tyson Pedro, like these big boys that I can work with.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 4: But for me, it's only like three hours.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: That's not bad. Yeah, like three-hour flight.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's great. Like, yeah, can't ask for more. Yeah,
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: you guys live in a crazy country. It's so big
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: and there's so few people in it. So it's so,
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 3: everything's so far away.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: But a lot of like the non, I don't know,
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of it's desert.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 3: I know, but you have the population of Los Angeles
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: in a country the size of the United States.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 4: Don't say it like that.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: Don't say it like that.
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 4: You guys always like.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad thing.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 4: You guys always come over here like, oh, that's cute.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: No, listen, I love Australia. I love it there. I
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 3: love the people. They're very friendly. It's a fun culture.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: I really do love Australia. But I mean, just the
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 3: actual geography. Of Australia. It's crazy. And it's filled with
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: things that want to kill you. Yes, like... Well, you
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 3: guys got to start killing those crocodiles. No, but... Bring
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 3: back killing crocodiles. Make that fun again. Make that fun.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 3: Why are you guys letting the crocodiles live? That's insane.
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 3: They're protected and they're eating people.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 4: They're not eating people.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 3: They're eating people. Oh, mate, if you are stupid enough...
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: If you're stupid enough... Get in the water.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 4: If you're stupid enough to go for a swim in
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 4: the river that you clearly can't see the bottom of.
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: Listen, this is how I feel. If I live in
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 3: a place and I'm a human... Anything else that lives
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 3: in the place that wants to kill me? should be dead. Dead.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 3: Fuck you, this is my ground. I'm the person, I'm
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 3: the one with the brain, the opposable thumbs, and I
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 3: have the guns. Fuck off, if you want to eat
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 3: my kids, I kill all of you, there's none of
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 3: you left. I put a few of you in a zoo,
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  Speaker 3: and we could stare at you from behind the glass.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck you forever.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: It's funny, alligators seem cute by comparison to crocs.
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: They do.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 4: Alligators are kind of like dopey crocs.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen what happens when they get the
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: two of them together? So they feed them. So there's
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 3: this place in Florida where they have alligators and crocodiles
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 3: all intermingling and Nile crocodiles. And so when they feed them,
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 3: the crocodiles run over the top of the alligators' heads
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: to get the food. They're like, fuck you. Give me
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 3: that food, bitch.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 4: It's like, you're just a pretend crook anyway.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 3: It's like the difference between a fucking golden retriever and
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: a pit bull. Yeah.
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 4: The thing that gets me, like brown snakes are annoying.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 4: I hate those because they're like kids.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: Well, because they kill you.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very poisonous.
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 3: Only a person in Australia would say they're annoying.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 4: Well, they don't hang out with you. It's not like
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 4: they're trying to invade.
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, I understand. You just don't go into any hot bushes.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: So you have to go into a hot bush.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 4: The funnel webs as well. They're very venomous, but just
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 4: don't put your hands in any wet holes.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. Always good advice anyway. Good advice. Solid advice.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 4: Can keep you out of trouble. Trust me, guys.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: Take it to the bank. You have so many different
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 3: bugs and spiders. Like my friend Adam Greentree, he lives
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 3: over there. He just got bit two months ago by
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: some fucking spider when he was camping. Yeah. And it's
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: like lethal. He almost died. No. Yes. Really? Yeah. I
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 3: forget what it's called. Some green something or another. He
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 3: told me, and apparently it didn't even get him. What
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: happened was as he slapped it, it was crawling on him.
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 3: And as he slapped it, its stinger went into him
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but not enough to kill him because
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 3: otherwise it would have been lethal. No, really? Yeah.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 4: You know, and I thought of this just now. Maybe
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 4: the reason why we let them all live is to
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 4: keep people out.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 4: That's a great idea.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: Right. You keep your population low. It's like less problems.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 4: Because like a lot of Americans are like, Australia, everything's
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 4: trying to kill you. I've never gone to Australia.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 3: It's like. It's not that bad. I have friends that
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 3: go over there and hunt all the time. But it
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 3: is a great country in terms of like the spirit
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 3: of the people. Yes. They're fun people. Yes. Generally speaking,
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 3: Australians are fun. It's a great place to do comedy.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 3: It's like they have a good time. It's a great
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 3: drinking culture. It's a great laughing culture. It's a lot
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 3: of fun.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 4: The drinking culture is a slippery slope. Because we probably
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 4: like it a bit too much.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 3: As it is everywhere where it's fun. It's fucking Ireland
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: or anywhere. The vibe at the club last night was
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: just amazing.
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 4: The energy was so good.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 3: It was my first time.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 4: That has sparked my ambition to go to ones in
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 4: Sydney and.
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a great comic that lived in Austin for
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 3: a while, and he moved to Australia, James McCann. He's
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 3: one of my favorites. He's one of the best up-and-coming
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 3: comics in the world right now, and fucking hilarious Australian dude.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 3: And he went back. His wife just had a new baby,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 3: and she wanted to get help with the family, and
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: so they went back to Australia. But he's planning on
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 3: coming back to America again. But if he's performing in Australia,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 3: I'll send you to him because he's fucking great. He's
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 3: so funny.
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 3: I've got... There he is. McCann.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: Performing in November.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, there he is. So, Perth, Adelaide, Sydney, and Brisbane. Yeah.
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 3: In November. Yeah, go see that dude. I've got the
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 3: itch now. Fucking brilliant.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got the itch. That was a great time.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 3: It's fun, right? It's fun.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 4: It was great.
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 3: It was great. It was just, like, relaxed.
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 4: Everyone's laughing.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 3: Like, laughter is... Special. Yeah.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 4: It's special. It gives you a special sort of energy.
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 4: I'm very big on energy of people and stuff like that.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 4: So when you get, you put them all in one
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 4: place and it's just.
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 3: With one goal, to have a good time. Exactly.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 4: And that's, it's one of the few places in the world, really,
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 4: where everyone comes with like no baggage.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 4: Like no one comes with any sort of expectation of
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 4: everyone has the same goal, same objective.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Good intentions. Go there to have a good time.
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 3: And that's sort of burned into the spirit of the
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 3: building by this point. You know, we've been open for
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 3: a few years. It's like just, I really believe that.
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 3: Like the Comedy Store in LA is a great example
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 3: of that. When you go there, it's like burned into
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 3: the walls of the building. The laughter, all the years
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 3: of fun and excitement.
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 4: The energy seeped into the concrete. Yeah, and you can
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 4: feel it. You can feel it's like you've got a culture.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 4: It's like a heaviness to it when you walk through it.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: It was cool. It was cool.
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 4: Can't thank you enough.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 3: That's awesome, brother. I'm glad you had a good time,
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 3: and I'm glad we did this. You know, I've been
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 3: a fan of yours for a long time, and I've
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 3: always loved hearing you talk at interviews. I'm like, that'd
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 3: be a fun guy to have on the podcast. And
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 3: you are. You're great, man. This has been so much fun. Oh,
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 3: my pleasure. You should probably do your own podcast. You'd
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: be great at it.
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I do have one on YouTube.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, you do? Yeah, MM Arcade.
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 4: We just talk about, like, fights and, like, video games.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, nice. Like Mighty Mouse. Yeah, yeah. Well, yes, yes,
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 3: to a degree. Nice. Have you done his podcast?
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 4: I have plenty of times. He's a great guy to
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 4: talk to. I fucking love that dude. Another energy, another
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 4: piece of energy. Like he just, he, his vibes when
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 4: you're talking to him, cause he, you know what it
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 4: is and it's not rocket science. You just have to
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 4: be invested in the person you're talking to.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 3: Yes. That's it. Yeah. For real. You have to really
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 3: be there. Yeah. That's it.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 4: And he's great at that. You're obviously the maestro of it.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 4: Like talking with you is just so easy. Hours just
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 4: fly by.
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 3: It's so much fun. Thanks. I'm glad you had fun, man.
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 3: It flies by for me too. You know, it's just
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 3: that the key is only talk to people you actually
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: want to talk to. That way you never have to
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 3: fake it. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But yeah, Mighty Mouse
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 3: is awesome at that. And to me, he's like one
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 3: of the greatest examples ever of mixed martial arts excellence. Like,
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 3: watching him perform when he was at his best, he
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 3: was just a master. Yes. Just a master.
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: One of the all-times.
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 4: And Kenny, that flying armbar.
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 4: Like, to chain that.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 3: Suplex into an armbar in a fight.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, he does things that, it's like you're
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 3: playing the game. Yeah, dude.
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 3: And his speed. There's something about the speed of flyweights, too.
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 3: One time, I grabbed him at a UFC just to
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 3: say hi, just fucking around. I grabbed him from behind,
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 3: and he turned around, and he went, ta-da! He hit
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 3: me with two knees to the body. Like, didn't hurt me,
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 3: just touched me. But they were so fast, my brain
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: didn't process it. My brain was like, what? What did
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 3: you just, how did you do, what the fuck just happened?
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: Because it's one thing to watch it play out, but
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 3: it's another thing when those knees just come at your
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 3: body like that and you realize like that's the speed
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 3: that they're competing at like when you watch Joshua Vann
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 3: versus Pantoja the chaos what a fight how good is Joshua.
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 4: Vann oh yeah and I'm so happy he like silenced
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 4: everyone about that Pantoja fight Well, he.
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of did with the Tyra fight because the Tyra
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 3: fight was so good.
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 4: Poor Tyra.
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: I know. But, dude, Joshua is another level, man.
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he is.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: And he's just evolving. Yeah. Every fight. That's just like Talbot.
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 3: It's like I think that's his new generation. Yep.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 4: Their ability to adapt and grow so fast between fights.
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just. And as a champion, I think he's
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 3: even more confident than ever. You know, it's just, oh,
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 3: my God. It's such an exciting time for the sport.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 3: This younger generation is why I'm developing an app.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 4: That's why I brought out a fitness app.
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, man, thank you for being here. Good luck
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 3: with the app. Good luck with everything in your future.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 3: This is great. If anybody wants to get a hold
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 3: of you on Instagram, what is your handle?
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 4: RobWidketMMA.
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 3: Okay. And Twitter, do you use that? Yes, yes, yes.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 3: It's all the same handle. Website?
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 4: The website is AscendFitnessByRob.com. 50% off first month.
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 3: All right. Thanks, brother.
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 3: Bye, everybody.